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| 00:57.09 | bonez44 | anyone know how I could get 98se drivers for USB , without a net connection? |
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| 02:36.29 | goozbach | so zimbra is pretty cool |
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| 02:49.31 | levi | Time to generate some intermediate code with my compiler. |
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| 04:18.15 | levi | Quiet night here. |
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| 04:25.42 | Supaplex | ~fart |
| 04:25.42 | ibot | ACTION farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 04:38.18 | levi | I just had to figure out how to remove an app from a Facebook profile. They don't make it very easy. |
| 04:39.11 | levi | Facebook has got to be the lamest thing ever. |
| 04:40.58 | Supaplex | glad I didn't waste my time on it |
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| 04:47.51 | levi | My wife recently got into it. |
| 04:48.21 | levi | She added some dumb app where you can buy and sell your 'friends' for fake cash in an auction. |
| 04:49.07 | levi | And some 'creepy guys' she doesn't know started a bidding war and left a 'boo' comment on her picture within moments of her adding it. |
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| 04:50.37 | fozzmoo | no! |
| 04:50.47 | fozzmoo | Your wife had a run in with a creepy guy on a social networking site?! |
| 04:51.01 | findlay | heh |
| 04:51.05 | levi | Yeah, pretty unexpected, eh? |
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| 04:51.35 | nearn | note: never fly home on st. patricks evening. |
| 04:51.36 | fozzmoo | Someone from my high school class set up a private social network site on ning.com |
| 04:51.46 | fozzmoo | So far it's pretty cool. |
| 04:51.49 | nearn | stabs the people in the apt. below him. |
| 04:52.01 | fozzmoo | No creepy strangers. |
| 04:52.03 | findlay | apt-get stab below? |
| 04:53.44 | levi | The built-in facebook apps seem to keep you fairly isolated from random creepy people, but third-party apps don't seem to bother. |
| 04:54.49 | nearn | i should have made that killer robot before I left for vacation. |
| 04:56.41 | fozzmoo | Dude! Your homemade robot is killer! |
| 05:00.04 | levi | You need to get one of those BigDog robot thingies. |
| 05:00.28 | levi | You could just turn it on, and everyone would freak out and run away. |
| 05:05.16 | findlay | isn't there a penguin robot out now? |
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| 06:06.26 | bonez44 | what might be wrong if I can browse my LAN, but NOT the internet? |
| 06:06.38 | Supaplex | routing |
| 06:06.52 | Supaplex | try traceroute |
| 06:08.05 | bonez44 | I can't ping out.... |
| 06:16.10 | Supaplex | can you ping your router? |
| 06:17.24 | Supaplex | check your default route, and check the router accepts packet forwarding |
| 06:17.26 | Supaplex | yikes. 12:15am. goodnight! |
| 06:17.31 | bonez44 | thanks |
| 06:25.14 | Sargun | uh |
| 06:25.16 | Sargun | whoa |
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| 13:00.26 | ibot | beats weird dreams severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
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| 14:02.44 | ^Migs^ | moving sucks |
| 14:02.50 | ^Migs^ | my new cubicle doesn't have as much space as my old one for hanging up stuff |
| 14:06.23 | fozzmoo | Ahh, but it's more cozy. |
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| 14:09.00 | ^Migs^ | I guess |
| 14:09.08 | ^Migs^ | it's actually an open cubicle |
| 14:09.12 | ^Migs^ | supposed to encourage teamwork |
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| 15:13.46 | tensai | anybody used sugarcrm? |
| 15:13.47 | bonez44 | anyone know how I can enable a win 98se box, to read a USB flash drive? I can't upgrade the machine,... it's not mine..it belongs to someone who is doing data entry fo rmy wife...this person has no 'net access, so will be doing the entry, saving to a flash drive and then emailing the files saved from the library or a friend or mailing the drive back and forth....it's lame I know, but cheaper than driving all over the valley... |
| 15:14.01 | bonez44 | tensai: I have used SugarCRM in the past... |
| 15:14.07 | bonez44 | it's pretty good |
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| 15:15.18 | tensai | bonez44: as I recall, win98 didn't have native support for usb mass storage. so you'll have to get a driver for your flash drive. |
| 15:15.40 | tensai | bonez44: what did you use sugarcrm for? |
| 15:16.13 | bonez44 | ah, that's the rub..it's a taiwanese drive..and despite my downloading the drive..it installs so fast, I can't ever figure out where it installs it, thus I can't run Update Driver and find the newly installed driver.... |
| 15:16.23 | bonez44 | used sugar for wife's business.... |
| 15:17.01 | bonez44 | my wife has trained tens of thousands across the US and here in utah....with her Spanish In-A-Pinch classes...but she doesn't really have many of her clients and past customers in a database.... |
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| 15:18.30 | Supaplex | an openwrt box with usb and samba support would be handy in that situation. |
| 15:19.43 | bonez44 | do tell |
| 15:20.38 | Supaplex | usually used as a router for internet. plug usb stick in, and share it out. connect via \\ip.ip.ip.ip\share or \\box\share |
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| 15:21.05 | Supaplex | there are other similar projects that might be easier to get into |
| 15:21.29 | Supaplex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwrt |
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| 15:25.50 | Sargun | OpenWRT kicks butt |
| 15:26.00 | bonez44 | the lady doing this data entry is more likely to win the presidential party nomination than she is to use this work around..I could do this, but this lady is not technical |
| 15:27.08 | tensai | openwrt ftw! |
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| 15:28.03 | tensai | bonez44: if you have the driver, I'm not seeing what the problem is |
| 15:32.49 | Supaplex | it's not like she has to setup the router. add a shortcut to the desktop or map the driver for her, and you're set. or bring the drivers with you on a cd or something. |
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| 15:35.35 | tensai | elg: my sourdough start isn't completely from scratch. I pulled off a bit from my no-knead loaf, so it has commercial yeast in it. |
| 15:35.54 | elg | it'll work eventually |
| 15:36.00 | tensai | elg: I've got it at 100% hydration. is that what you keep your start at? |
| 15:36.09 | elg | but the baker's yeast will compete for awhile before finally dying out |
| 15:36.29 | tensai | I just grabbed a bit on a whim, so whatever works is fine for me |
| 15:36.43 | elg | 100% is fine. I usually do roughly 1:1 by volume, which turns out a bit more than 100%. closer to 150% I think |
| 15:36.57 | elg | but mostly because it's easier to eyeball 1:1 volume :) |
| 15:37.24 | Jayce^ | elg, tensai, you seen this book yet? http://astore.amazon.com/jayce-20/detail/0312362919/104-5191535-7805531 |
| 15:37.26 | elg | wetter means the little critters are more mobile, so things hapen faster |
| 15:37.27 | eggyknap | tensai: sourdough starters are relatively easy to create yourself, if you want. |
| 15:37.36 | elg | drier is good for long-term storage |
| 15:37.47 | elg | eggyknap: that's what he's doing |
| 15:38.16 | eggyknap | Ours = fresh ground rye + water + a few days of shelf time :) |
| 15:39.33 | elg | Jayce^: no, have you read it? |
| 15:40.00 | Jayce^ | just started |
| 15:40.01 | Jayce^ | comes very highly recommended |
| 15:40.01 | tensai | Jayce^: my library doesn't have it :( |
| 15:40.01 | Jayce^ | also a whole wheat one that will get next month |
| 15:40.17 | elg | Jayce^: so you mix up the ingredients and stick it in the fridge? |
| 15:40.28 | elg | then take it out rest for 20 minutes and bake? |
| 15:40.46 | Jayce^ | a "base" and then can easily rest, then modify slightly to make different types of breads |
| 15:41.12 | Jayce^ | we've switched over to grinding our own and have been loving it |
| 15:41.22 | Jayce^ | playing around with different grain types, etc.. |
| 15:41.25 | eggyknap | Jayce^: What sort of grinder? |
| 15:41.30 | elg | "no starter" so I assume it uses baker's yeast? (without proofing, which is a waste of time) |
| 15:41.37 | Jayce^ | hugs his old magic-mill that's older than himself |
| 15:41.43 | Jayce^ | the stone's are perfect |
| 15:41.54 | elg | hooray for stone-ground wheat |
| 15:42.07 | eggyknap | We had one that would get the flour way too hot while grinding, so the sourdough didn't like it. We've got a hand mill now, which is lots of work but the starter loves the flour. |
| 15:42.31 | Jayce^ | we've stuck mostly with red and white harder wheats so far, but this spring will be branching out to a lot of other grains (beyond the sampling we've done) |
| 15:42.45 | Jayce^ | eggyknap, yeah, I've seen that happen |
| 15:43.02 | Jayce^ | not with mine thankfully |
| 15:43.09 | elg | yeah, stone grinding is much less sever |
| 15:43.10 | elg | e |
| 15:43.39 | Jayce^ | mmmmm... anybody else tried the new "wild cherry M&M's" ? |
| 15:43.43 | elg | i tried making start from our stone-ground flour once. it took off alright but in crazy funky ways. lots of organisms competing at the beginning. :) |
| 15:44.09 | elg | compared with making start from white or even store-bought wheat it was pretty berserk. it would probably have eventually settled down but I was too impatient |
| 15:44.22 | Jayce^ | elg, I haven't done any starts yet, all been regular yeast so far (we're learning :) ) |
| 15:44.32 | Supaplex | Jayce^: so wild, they're ferrell? ;) |
| 15:44.32 | elg | and I didn't know at the time that the lactobacilli are basically an antiseptic and would end up winning the war |
| 15:44.45 | elg | Jayce^: so is my guess right, on the method? |
| 15:44.55 | Supaplex | s/ferrell/ferril/ or however you spell that |
| 15:44.55 | Jayce^ | elg, not there yet :) |
| 15:45.03 | Jayce^ | Supaplex, feral |
| 15:45.21 | elg | :) well I was goign from the editorial review. let me know what the method boils down to |
| 15:45.29 | Supaplex | google spelling ftl :p thanks. |
| 15:46.00 | elg | as for sourdough - when doing long-rise bread like this fridge stuff (it sounds), sourdough will be almost indistinguishable (in technique, not taste!) from baker's yeast |
| 15:46.06 | Jayce^ | elg, I will, pretty excited about the book though.. |
| 15:46.29 | Jayce^ | looks like it'll really help my wife.. now that we've got the grinding down (and love it), we want to branch out on the rest |
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| 15:46.39 | eggyknap | has done his sourdough rising on the shelf, not in the fridge |
| 15:47.06 | elg | you talking start or bread? |
| 15:47.23 | eggyknap | both, for that matter. |
| 15:47.57 | eggyknap | Our start only gets fridge time if we're sure we won't use it for a while. Otherwise it sits on the counter getting fed every day or so. |
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| 15:53.19 | elg | see that's too much work :) |
| 15:53.26 | elg | it does just as well in the fridge fed every week or 4 |
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| 15:53.41 | elg | i guess if you use it nearly every day... but I don't |
| 15:53.50 | elg | not enough mouths |
| 15:54.07 | eggyknap | We use it a lot. Lots of pancakes and the occasional (every week or so) loaf of bread |
| 15:54.35 | eggyknap | still finds it exciting to come in the kitchen in the morning and see the starter has gotten all spongy and overflowed whatever we put it in :) |
| 15:56.01 | eggyknap | I'm surprised how much better the starter we started a few months ago tastes, compared to one I got from a friend that's supposed to be 100+ years old. |
| 15:56.18 | eggyknap | Not that age should make it taste better, but that the two starters tasted so much different. |
| 15:57.06 | elg | yeah, i was skeptical about that once but ran an experiment and seceded the point :) |
| 15:57.23 | elg | my current favorite is a start I got from someone in San Francisco |
| 15:57.33 | elg | but my least favorite is a start I got from another someone in San Fransisco |
| 15:57.55 | eggyknap | A friend once asked for a sample of the starter a San Fran bread maker uses, and was told he could have one if he paid as much for it as the baker had -- $50K. |
| 15:57.55 | elg | (the one I like is descended from the ACME start) |
| 15:58.38 | tensai | ~lart mysql table errors |
| 15:58.38 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that mysql table errors is stuck to the floor |
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| 16:01.48 | elg | watches http://www.startribune.com/video/11967361.html |
| 16:02.29 | elg | Jayce^: this video is the cheapskate old hat's readers digest version |
| 16:02.57 | elg | want to hear my comments, or do you want to wait until you've finished the book and/or made it a few times? |
| 16:04.41 | levi | Mmmm, I haven't made bread in a long time. |
| 16:05.07 | Sargun | likes San Francisco. |
| 16:07.21 | levi | Anyone here applying for Google Summer of Code this year? |
| 16:08.28 | elg | no, though I volunteered to be a mentor for ruby if they want me |
| 16:16.40 | elg | eggyknap: since you seem to be new here, check out http://hans.fugal.net/bread.pdf |
| 16:17.59 | eggyknap | is definitely new here -- thx |
| 16:18.30 | levi | tries to figure out how to program this poorly-documented DMA engine. |
| 16:22.25 | tensai | direct marketing association? |
| 16:22.44 | tensai | dangerously mutated avocado? |
| 16:22.55 | levi | Direct Memory Access |
| 16:23.08 | unum | there should be an open season on direct marketing associations |
| 16:25.04 | levi | DMA engines are what get data to and from main memory when talking with high-speed IO devices. |
| 16:26.08 | levi | You say, 'here's a chunk of memory and a place to move it to. Let me know when you're done' and it does the copy and interrupts you when finished, so you can go about your business in the mean time. |
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| 16:31.22 | elg | you say tomato |
| 16:32.25 | goozbach | I say tornado |
| 16:32.56 | eggyknap | says get me the &*^@$# out of these (*#$^@-ing meetings, as he walks off to another one. |
| 16:33.39 | levi | "White tornado my foot! That's a real tornado!" |
| 16:33.44 | elg | poor carl. a few units ago he didn't even know what email threading really meant |
| 16:33.51 | elg | now he's dismissed it as superfluous |
| 16:34.07 | goozbach | endless september |
| 16:34.27 | levi | Well, if he didn't know about it, it must not have been very important! ;) |
| 16:35.03 | elg | it's an interesting property of life that people poorly reinvent solutions that were properly solved long ago |
| 16:35.11 | elg | then become attached to their poor substitutes |
| 16:35.23 | elg | then think they're better just because they're newer |
| 16:35.26 | levi | Indeed. |
| 16:35.33 | elg | maybe that's only technology, but I think it might apply to life in general |
| 16:35.41 | elg | no, make that pretty sure |
| 16:35.59 | levi | I'm pretty sure it's a general law of humanity as well. |
| 16:36.05 | elg | like bread baking. the long ferment let water and time do the work stuff is older than old |
| 16:36.30 | elg | only in the last century did all this nonsense about punching down and precise rising times and baker's yeast and whatnot come about |
| 16:36.37 | elg | and now it's "the establishment" |
| 16:37.41 | levi | I'm sure that stuff is useful in a bread factory context or something. |
| 16:39.25 | levi | I've always wondered how they make Wonder Bread. It's so unnaturally light. |
| 16:40.18 | elg | yeah, exactly. nobody makes up regressions just for fun - there's always some rational motivation to at least one entity |
| 16:40.32 | elg | they probably whip it |
| 16:40.36 | Supaplex | puts a new fan in to keep the 51degC hdd's cooler |
| 16:40.45 | levi | Dang it, now you've got Devo in my head. |
| 16:40.50 | elg | :-) |
| 16:40.55 | elg | they whip it good |
| 16:41.55 | levi | Arg, these registers are not documented as clear-on-read, yet the comments and code in the driver I'm porting seem to suggest they are. :/ |
| 16:47.42 | sjansen | o/~ Television killed the the radio star ~/o |
| 16:48.50 | Supaplex | ahh 40C is much better than 51C. |
| 16:49.02 | Supaplex | pats the poor stressed hdd's |
| 16:49.29 | elg | video |
| 16:49.33 | elg | video killed the radio star |
| 16:49.36 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:49.36 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, sjansen!" and lops off sjansen's head |
| 16:49.51 | sjansen | begs forgiveness |
| 16:50.08 | sjansen | ~/o Weird science o/~ |
| 16:50.15 | goozbach | o/~ Motion pictures killed the radio star o/~ |
| 16:50.37 | elg | o/~ motion pictures killed the talking box star o/~ |
| 16:50.38 | sjansen | o/~ Talkies killed the silent star o/~ |
| 16:50.55 | Supaplex | o/~ EMP Killed my iPod o/~ |
| 16:51.17 | elg | so someone told me the other day that "movies" comes from movie productions moving around |
| 16:51.20 | sjansen | ~emp Supaplex |
| 16:51.20 | Supaplex | I tried to get it on video, but well. the camcorder died too |
| 16:51.27 | elg | i always thought it was short for "motion pictures" |
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| 16:52.40 | elg | ~welcome beandog |
| 16:52.41 | ibot | Howdy, beandog! |
| 16:52.50 | beandog | ~hola |
| 16:52.55 | goozbach | "and I canEET standem" |
| 16:53.27 | goozbach | o/~ moses supposes his toeses are roses o/~ |
| 16:53.57 | sjansen | hands goozbach an organ grinder's monkey |
| 16:54.17 | goozbach | taps around the chchannel |
| 16:54.25 | goozbach | *tap tap tappity* |
| 16:55.06 | levi | elg: http://blog.oup.com/2007/12/movies/ |
| 16:55.46 | findlay | yay |
| 16:55.50 | findlay | is the IT hero |
| 16:56.24 | levi | elg: Someone was wrong, you were right. |
| 16:58.51 | elg | yay |
| 16:58.53 | elg | i love being right |
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| 17:04.56 | levi | Gotta love etymologists. |
| 17:05.36 | levi | Their websites are almost as useful as Snopes. |
| 17:05.48 | levi | At least when it comes to debunking silly etymological theories. |
| 17:06.17 | elg | it would be fun to make up a silly etymological theory |
| 17:06.42 | levi | You could spread it with a chain-email. :P |
| 17:06.56 | elg | like, photographs are so named because their first use was physicists graphing the paths for photons |
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| 17:07.28 | levi | That sounds about as believable as 'movies' coming from movie productions moving around. |
| 17:10.41 | findlay | haha |
| 17:11.20 | sjansen | Communism was so named because Marx expected his new economic theory to eliminate traffic congestion, reduce commute time, and improve quality of life. |
| 17:11.49 | findlay | free pasturage for everyone! |
| 17:11.51 | RyanE | sjansen: that was actually Commutism. Not quite the same, but Marx was in favor of that as well. |
| 17:12.08 | RyanE | Pretty much anything that could be shortened to Commie. |
| 17:12.58 | findlay | Sylvester, as a mathematical professor, was paid partly in pasturage |
| 17:13.05 | elg | commie commie commie commie commie chameleon |
| 17:13.13 | Jayce^ | you come and go |
| 17:13.18 | elg | you come and goooooo |
| 17:13.29 | elg | commutin' would be easy if your colors were like my brain |
| 17:13.30 | sjansen | MP3 was so named because it was designed for a third generation music player, but because an executive was drunk when presented with the design he started calling the files MP3s instead of the player MP3. |
| 17:13.33 | elg | greeen green green green |
| 17:13.38 | findlay | someday I'll be paid in pasturage, just like Sylvester |
| 17:13.45 | Jayce^ | ok, time to put elg out of our misery :) |
| 17:14.15 | findlay | then I can raise Tasmanian devils |
| 17:14.23 | elg | sjansen: are you sure he was drunk? |
| 17:15.42 | sjansen | Highways were so named because the were supposed to be constructed above existed roads and buildings, but because of federal funding cuts, most were instead built at ground level. |
| 17:16.36 | Weg1 | glad of that. |
| 17:18.32 | sjansen | Lotterys first started when a laundromat decide to hold contest to give away abandoned clothes. At first it was called the Lotta Clothes Laundry, but over time its nickname was shortened to simply the Lottery. |
| 17:19.17 | sjansen | Then a competing laundry realized it could attract more customers by giving money instead of clothes and the rest in history. |
| 17:22.36 | sjansen | When the mouse was first invented for the PC, it was called a PD or Pointer Device. when the inventor showed it to his wife, however, it triggered here fear of mice. She refused to call it a PD, instead always referring to at as "that monstrous mouse thing". The name stuck and eventually their marriage ended. |
| 17:25.13 | Supaplex | sjansen: http://xkcd.com/285/ |
| 17:26.46 | goozbach | driveway is a shortening of the phrase "the way the drive ends" |
| 17:27.20 | Jayce^ | sjansen is a shortening of the phrase "when sanity ends" |
| 17:27.36 | Jayce^ | from the swedish roots, of course |
| 17:28.27 | goozbach | of course |
| 17:29.26 | goozbach | Jayce^: got his carrot when he failed to heed his mothers advice "you are what you eat" and kept munching on her vegitable garden stores. |
| 17:29.55 | Supaplex | you park on a driveway, yet drive on a parkway. |
| 17:33.44 | sjansen | You recycle others ideas yet consider them fresh. |
| 17:35.20 | sjansen | Speaking of which, recycling was started by hippies in Portland who used bicycles to do all their shopping. Eventually someone came up with the idea of return unused items to be resold--which of course required recycling to the shop to return unused items. |
| 17:38.01 | goozbach | sjansen: have I ever had an original ide? |
| 17:38.51 | sjansen | goozbach: There was that time... no, wait, that was a movie quote. |
| 17:39.15 | sjansen | Oh, wait, how about.... that was a Start Wars plot element. |
| 17:39.44 | sjansen | Uhm, let me see, there was that time... no that was from a nerdcore song. |
| 17:40.49 | sjansen | Monty Python sketch... Scoobie Doo episode... something Dax said... the side of a cereal box... |
| 17:40.56 | sjansen | goozbach: Wow, I think you might be right. |
| 17:41.57 | goozbach | don't forget about the 50's pulp comic references |
| 17:43.24 | sjansen | To your credit, being so clued into such a large range of cultural reference, while still finding time to sleep, is quite the achievement. |
| 17:43.30 | goozbach | and the stuff I steal from Disney cartoons |
| 17:43.55 | goozbach | sleep? |
| 17:43.56 | Jayce^ | sleep? that's why he maintains his caffeine levels |
| 17:44.11 | goozbach | who needs sleep whe you have MT dew? |
| 17:47.32 | Supaplex | who needs MT dew when you are alert? |
| 17:52.01 | sjansen | o/~ Who needs sleep, no you're never gonna get it ~/o |
| 17:53.09 | Supaplex | hahaha. how retarded. |
| 17:53.10 | Supaplex | We are sorry for the inconvenience. Our site currently supports only Internet Explorer version 4.0 or higher. This is due to the advanced features used in the product customization process |
| 17:54.33 | sjansen | We are sorry. We don't want your money. Your type isn't the type of customer we want. Please tell your friends. |
| 17:54.49 | eggyknap | Advanced Features == IE 4.0? |
| 17:55.05 | Supaplex | my thoughts exactly, sjansen, eggyknap. |
| 17:55.44 | sjansen | Once upon a time, IE 4 _was_ pretty advanced. Especially the Mac version, it was a rocking browser... compared to Navigator. |
| 18:00.45 | goozbach | internet come up... |
| 18:00.57 | goozbach | internet go down |
| 18:01.13 | goozbach | internet come up... |
| 18:01.29 | goozbach | internet go down. |
| 18:01.41 | goozbach | internet go down the tube |
| 18:02.13 | sjansen | Me press the button. |
| 18:02.18 | sjansen | No you press the button. |
| 18:02.22 | sjansen | Me press the button. |
| 18:06.48 | goozbach | pogo sticks, they're comcastic! |
| 18:07.17 | goozbach | when you work for an internet company, having no internet, SUCKS |
| 18:07.53 | nick125 | goozbach: There there, it'll be alright... |
| 18:08.25 | goozbach | nick125: no it won't |
| 18:08.28 | goozbach | it's costing us money |
| 18:08.55 | goozbach | and prodoctivity |
| 18:09.00 | levi | Aieee! Why is the code writing a single bit into a register when the documentation says that bit is reserved?! |
| 18:10.08 | nick125 | goozbach: It could be worse. |
| 18:10.21 | nick125 | goozbach: Can you tether your phone or something in the mean time? |
| 18:10.35 | goozbach | nick125: how do you think I'm IRC'ing right now |
| 18:10.43 | nick125 | goozbach: aah |
| 18:10.45 | goozbach | but the rest of the company can't go through my phone |
| 18:11.03 | nick125 | oh, so this is an office... |
| 18:11.15 | nick125 | You could rig something up, theoretically. |
| 18:11.33 | nick125 | It wouldn't work well, but it would least give *some* internet access. |
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| 18:13.36 | Supaplex | ~lart 100%cpuhog of an openbox3 |
| 18:13.36 | ibot | stamps 100%cpuhog of an openbox3 on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 18:14.14 | sjansen | levi: That would be the undocumented 'enable salad juicer' feature. |
| 18:15.20 | sjansen | goozbach: Grab the company credit card, drive to a Sprint store, buy a case of EVDO modems and 2-year contracts to go with them. ;-) |
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| 18:15.48 | nick125 | sjansen: If Sprint has EVDO coverage there, then that might not be a bad idea. |
| 18:16.19 | nick125 | If you can't afford that, see if Sprint will activate a card for a week or so without contract and put that into a KR1 or something. |
| 18:16.38 | nick125 | That would probably be the most logical method, without costing a ton of money. |
| 18:16.42 | goozbach | I'm just gonna sit here and complain |
| 18:16.49 | sjansen | goozbach++ |
| 18:16.50 | nick125 | goozbach: That'll work too. |
| 18:16.58 | goozbach | stupid tornado |
| 18:17.04 | goozbach | causing a mess downtown. |
| 18:17.14 | goozbach | causing backhoes to be called in. |
| 18:17.19 | nick125 | goozbach: You wouldn't happen to have an SLA, would you? |
| 18:17.34 | goozbach | causing an idiot to cut the fiber |
| 18:17.47 | goozbach | causing AT&T to switch to a differnt fiber |
| 18:17.54 | goozbach | which was broken from the get go |
| 18:18.09 | goozbach | which caused our upstream provider to switch to a T1 |
| 18:18.29 | goozbach | which is suppoese to support nearly 20Mbit normal load |
| 18:18.30 | nick125 | sounds like a bad situation. |
| 18:18.42 | goozbach | which causes our connection to slow down. |
| 18:18.55 | goozbach | which causes us to use our own backup (comcast) |
| 18:18.57 | goozbach | which sucks |
| 18:19.21 | nick125 | ouch |
| 18:20.00 | elg | Jayce^: i'm going to give my version of that method a try |
| 18:50.49 | goozbach | yay! the intraweb is fixed |
| 18:50.56 | goozbach | the tubes no longer have kinks |
| 18:52.26 | sjansen | ~disconnect goozbach |
| 18:54.25 | sjansen | http://www.csail.mit.edu/index.php |
| 19:00.29 | goozbach | o/~ daisy... daisy... . give ... me ...youransswer... do o/~ |
| 19:07.16 | goozbach | ok, so lets say I want a local level multicast network |
| 19:07.54 | goozbach | is there a block of the multicast addresses I can use as freely as the RFC1918 addresses? |
| 19:12.09 | sjansen | 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 |
| 19:12.20 | goozbach | yippie |
| 19:13.32 | goozbach | is that what this statement means? "The 224.0.0.0/24 block is for link local multicast only" |
| 19:13.47 | goozbach | so I should be able to ues 224.0.0.0/24? |
| 19:13.55 | goozbach | s/ues/use/ |
| 19:15.34 | sjansen | Use it! Use 'em all! We're having a fire sale on IPv4! Get 'em while we've still got 'em! ... Say, buddy, can I interest you in a little multi-homing too? _Real_ cheap. Promise. |
| 19:16.09 | goozbach | ~sjansen sjansen |
| 19:16.10 | ibot | ACTION tells sjansen good things about sjansen |
| 19:16.24 | goozbach | take THAT! |
| 19:17.16 | goozbach | and do I give every host a different multicast address? |
| 19:17.25 | goozbach | or do they all get the same multicast address? |
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| 19:23.01 | Supaplex | what css property, if any, treats line feeds as line breaks? I don't want to use <pre>, and I'd sure tire of using <br /> for every line. |
| 19:29.35 | sjansen | Supaplex: Why don't you want to use <pre>? CSS might be right for pure XML, but if your using HTML, you should be using <pre>. |
| 19:30.43 | findlay | I'm for <post> |
| 19:31.23 | sjansen | <strike>findlay</strike> |
| 19:31.37 | Supaplex | but <pre> would prevent styling anything inside. eg, bold on a few words, or color/highlighting etc |
| 19:31.50 | findlay | even tables :) |
| 19:31.52 | sjansen | slaps Supaplex |
| 19:32.30 | sjansen | And what happens when someone accesses your site with a client that ignores the CSS? |
| 19:34.25 | Supaplex | who cares. it's for my wiki |
| 19:34.31 | unum | sjansen: I kill him |
| 19:34.35 | Supaplex | internal docs etc |
| 19:34.39 | unum | loves being an inhouse developer |
| 19:35.11 | unum | all our employees are required to use firefox |
| 19:35.21 | sjansen | You can still tag stuff in <pre>. |
| 19:35.55 | Supaplex | but html inside pre become literals, not html anymore |
| 19:36.27 | sjansen | <pre> |
| 19:36.27 | sjansen | foo <span style="color:blue">bar</span> baz |
| 19:36.27 | sjansen | qux quux corge |
| 19:36.27 | sjansen | </pre> |
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| 19:37.05 | sjansen | Stick that in your HTML and smoke it. If html inside of pre is becoming literals, then you've got a stupid pre-processor get between you and your browser. |
| 19:39.47 | Supaplex | ~blame mediawiki |
| 19:39.48 | ibot | ACTION blames mediawiki (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:40.13 | unum | is suprised no one responded with information about the constitutionalist precinct caucus meetings |
| 19:40.50 | goozbach | Supaplex: just use markdown |
| 19:41.22 | findlay | markunder |
| 19:41.25 | Supaplex | to replace mediawiki? there's eaisly a few hundred articles in here |
| 19:41.29 | findlay | markabout |
| 19:41.34 | unum | what are you doing where you want so many returns |
| 19:42.02 | unum | oh a wiki |
| 19:42.05 | unum | well still |
| 19:42.31 | unum | I'd just use a <ul> |
| 19:43.06 | Supaplex | unum: transcript of a shell session |
| 19:43.17 | Supaplex | syslog snippets, whatever |
| 19:44.41 | unum | then pre makes sense except you want to mark it up |
| 19:44.50 | unum | sorry I don't know any css for |
| 19:45.06 | unum | but I probably would use <ul> and <li> for proper presentation |
| 19:45.07 | elg | i think you should use font tags |
| 19:45.33 | sjansen | unum: That sounds like fun. He rejected <br/> because it was too much markup. |
| 19:45.37 | elg | <font family="mcnabb">~lart sjansen</font> |
| 19:46.01 | sjansen | Supaplex: I doubt you're the first person to face this problem. There's gotta be some "make mediawiki less stupid" setting you can change. |
| 19:46.29 | Supaplex | most likely |
| 19:47.05 | sjansen | IIRC, for preformatted text, mediawiki wants you to start each line with whitespace and it'll add the <pre> itself. |
| 19:47.17 | Supaplex | <div style="font-family: courier;"> does affect the font, but line feeds are wrapped |
| 19:47.35 | elg | slowly comes to the realization that he has slowly been improving at the organ all these years |
| 19:47.36 | sjansen | Frankly, having run mediawiki here at work for awhile, I look forward to switching to something better. |
| 19:47.41 | Supaplex | you can add the pre yourself and forgo the indentation |
| 19:47.44 | elg | even though I couldn't do an even trill anymore to save my life |
| 19:48.41 | elg | there's a css setting to make a thing (e.g. a div) pre-like in its presentation |
| 19:48.45 | elg | but I'm with sjansen, just use pre |
| 19:50.45 | Supaplex | I'm sure mediawiki fubared my understanding of that until now :) |
| 19:52.29 | findlay | elg: I asked Linda about that. She says that when you are learning something you don't trill until the last beat of the note and then gradually add beats |
| 19:52.54 | elg | linda, the signing lady from sesame street? |
| 19:53.09 | elg | that's a good practice technique |
| 19:53.14 | elg | i usually just leave them off while learning the piece |
| 19:53.24 | findlay | basically I think you just need to stop thinking about that hand while you concentrate on the rhythm of the other voices |
| 19:53.31 | findlay | elg: Linda Margetts |
| 19:53.39 | elg | my inability to trill properly is a dexterity thing. if I were to start doing scales or other exercises again (or just playing music with trills) it would help |
| 19:54.32 | elg | but mentally i've been improving. I can sight read stuff that would have taken me a week to read some years ago |
| 19:54.41 | elg | s/ read/ learn/ |
| 19:56.26 | elg | loses sed points |
| 19:57.56 | levi | Tsk. |
| 20:09.07 | Supaplex | uncle sam grows crack. I-95 shutdown in philly |
| 20:12.13 | Supaplex | starts using one indended space as the <pre> workaround |
| 20:12.26 | Supaplex | that works. :p I guess I can put up with that. |
| 20:22.06 | Supaplex | one new fan dropped hdd temps from 51C to 35-36C \o/ |
| 20:22.15 | levi | Yay for fans. |
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| 20:34.39 | unum | wow, bruce perens has to run for the board of osi |
| 20:34.48 | unum | he should have assigned himself a seat :) |
| 20:35.45 | Supaplex | fungus: greetings |
| 20:36.10 | fungus | greetings |
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| 20:59.32 | elg | hey, any of you brasileros learn how to make feijoada? |
| 21:00.09 | eggyknap | ...and on a related note, any of you brasileros know where to get farofa (or however you spell it -- that manioc flour you fry with butter and eat with feijoada) |
| 21:00.37 | RyanE | findlay: how do you know Linda? |
| 21:02.59 | Jayce^ | you can buy the mandioca in quite a few places... |
| 21:03.07 | Jayce^ | a lot of supermarkets carry it now |
| 21:03.16 | unum | elg: you may want to look for rbm |
| 21:03.23 | unum | i would think he'd be somewhere on this server |
| 21:04.01 | eggyknap | Jayce^: I'll have to look closer. |
| 21:04.01 | eggyknap | Thx |
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| 21:18.28 | sjansen | eggyknap-afk: In Utah county, Many Lands in Provo is my favorite place for international stuff. |
| 21:20.12 | sjansen | elg: 1) Kill a pig. 2) Give all the "good" stuff to your master. 3) Cook the leftovers with black beans. |
| 21:20.32 | Jayce^ | sjansen, pretty much spot on |
| 21:20.44 | Jayce^ | throw in some farofa on top.. |
| 21:20.52 | sjansen | Of course, most Brazilians these days don't do traditional style. The wimps substitute pigs foot for sausage, etc. |
| 21:21.11 | sjansen | s/for/with/ |
| 21:22.21 | sjansen | can't remember the name of the lanchonette in SL county |
| 21:22.58 | sjansen | Real x-tudo, pasteis, etc. |
| 21:23.19 | Jayce^ | there are a couple.. |
| 21:23.28 | Jayce^ | neighbor knows them well |
| 21:23.37 | Jayce^ | I just have the UT valley ones |
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| 21:42.22 | Jayce^ | http://bestpicever.com/pic-1291-I_never_reboot |
| 21:59.04 | Supaplex | You can keep that. I'll take these instead http://bestpicever.com/pic-1066-Sugar_lips |
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| 22:07.03 | Tene | Jayce^: I use a unix-based OS on a laptop that doesn't suspend. ;) |
| 22:08.51 | findlay | RyanE: she played the organ part in an orchestra I was in |
| 22:09.07 | sjansen | http://bestpicever.com/pic-2281-National_Sarcasm_Society |
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| 22:27.24 | ibot | tampers with mrpull-lt's network stack |
| 22:32.47 | elg | mrpull-lt: Mr. Pull-It, satisfying your finger-pulling needs since 19xx! |
| 22:38.39 | Supaplex | it beats mr pull-ups |
| 22:46.42 | elg | ~onjoin mrpull-lt Here, pull my finger! |
| 22:46.42 | ibot | ok, elg |
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| 23:40.52 | levi | Whoa, apparently Arthur C. Clarke just died. |
| 23:42.18 | Sargun | yeah |
| 23:49.06 | levi | Sargun: Have you read any of his books? |
| 23:53.21 | unum | I don't think I've ready anything of his |
| 23:53.27 | unum | I tried to watch 2001 |