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01:43.27nick125http://www.zooomr.com/photos/nick125/4490815/
01:43.41nick125http://www.zooomr.com/photos/nick125/4490006/
01:43.45nick125comments? :)
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03:06.29leviGood evening.
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03:38.26*** topic/#utah is http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | Happy π day!
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03:49.07vontrappwhat do you press in mplayer to turn cc on/off?
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04:18.28findlayTimRiker: so what (potential) benefit does openmoko and the like give you?
04:19.57nick125You can SSH into your cell phone
04:20.02nick125That's pretty cool
04:20.15nick125But, you are also left with an unreliable phone that may not work.
04:20.32nick125I mean, I'm not sure you want to fire up a terminal and enter the AT commands to dial 911.
04:24.05findlaynick125: well, my whole objective is connectivity. SSH is awesome but it only runs on the intarwebs, which costs $$$ outside of free/cheap wifi access
04:25.37findlayspecifically voice connectivity which is all the rage these days
04:25.40TimRikerfindlay: you can add whatever you like to the phone, and so can other developers.
04:26.46TimRikerfirewall, router, wireless access point, pim syncing over wireless, mobile IP with roaming ip voip, mp3, storage device, samba server over usb/wifi/etc custom vpn, etc.
04:27.28findlayTimRiker: I know, but that doesn't cover my basic connectivity need.  I assume the moko guys have some idea already about this, or does it already work on cell networks?
04:28.00TimRikeranything else you wish you had? usb host controller? plug in a full size keyboard, video output, poof, it's almost a laptop. read your usb stick, copy pictures on/off your camera, add ringtones for free, transfer pictures without paying your phone company and putting up with their lame software.
04:28.17TimRikernot married to itunes for updates, update when _you_ want.
04:29.16findlayis just trying to squirm away from giving servitude^Wmoney to The Man
04:29.48TimRikeryeah. it's a brave vision, but it's not here yet.
04:30.10TimRikerright now, the phone has issues remembering that it's a phone.
04:30.25findlaywell, maybe I can hold out as a hermit just a little longer :)
04:30.25TimRikerdata networking still doesn't work for me, etc.
04:31.10TimRikeroh, but you can ssh into your phone. :)
04:31.47TimRikerbtw... ibot  is now the new infobot instead of a blootbot. same code more or less, merged back into the sf infobot project.
04:31.54TimRikeribot: what are you
04:31.55ibotACTION are you to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
04:31.59TimRikerhehe
04:40.56nick125Any recommendations for a gallery? I'd prefer something that is dynamic (php or Python CGI is preferred) and allows for bulk uploads.
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04:45.36nick125I was looking at something like Gallery, but I don't think I need that many features.
04:47.09findlaywrite another one!
04:47.16findlayin cherrypy!
04:47.22findlayor mod_cobol
04:47.31nick125I'm too lazy -_-
04:47.32findlayyour choice
04:47.42findlaymd_bash
04:48.02findlays//o/
04:48.27nick125The only thing that I'd think I would like would be albums and tagging.
04:49.22nick125Uploading to zooomr is a pain in the rear and I'm pretty sure flickr isn't any better.
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05:01.06findlayWWW::Mechanize :)
05:02.09levi*sigh*
05:02.23leviI lack the motivation to work on my compiler.
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05:03.04findlaylevi: what if I gave you a $?
05:03.56leviI'm already essentially being paid to do it, since my tuition is being reimbursed.
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12:40.44goozbachnick125: Apache::Gallery
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14:54.50tensaistupid battery has about 10 minutes of runtime
15:06.26elgand yet you're still here 12 minutes later
15:06.49elgso I wrote my bandwidth meter yesterday. it wasn't as impressive as I had hoped
15:07.39elgso then I whipped up a simplistic one: send a MB of random data over TCP and measure how long that takes
15:07.48elggives much more consistent results
15:08.35elgthe problem with the other one is too much sleeping, and too much chance for oversleep, really messing up the time. when sending gobs over tCP, it automatically saturates and rate limits itself. the kernel devs did all teh hard work already
15:19.45RedHeronSimpler code usually works better, except in the case of GUI.
15:25.22elgthe paper I was following was claiming that tcp measurement this and that
15:25.35elgmaybe if it was written in C, maybe.
16:48.00tensaielg: I caught it just before the battery gave out. I'm back on AC now.
16:49.55tensaielg: why do I have 296 unread items for The Fugue?
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19:53.14SargunRedHeron, I hate coding GUIs
19:53.26RedHeronnods.
19:53.32RedHeronThey're a pain, TBH.
19:56.12RedHeronGotta be thinking about how the user's eye is going to move, what things mean, space between, comfort of appearance, aesthetic appeal, and all that junk.
19:56.30SargunThat's why they hire GUI designers
19:56.32Sargunand not me
19:57.13Supaplex!fire Sargun
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19:58.27SargunRegarding the Atomic Bomb designs that got leaked: The atomic bomb isn't the hard part, the uranium extraction is
19:59.31SargunI mean, once you have the enriched isotope, you're set.
20:08.09Supaplexspeaking from experience I see
20:09.35HeartsbaneLOL
20:09.38Heartsbane14:04 < Tene> Why those ports?
20:09.39Heartsbane14:05 < Tene> What services use those ports?
20:09.53TeneHeartsbane: ?
20:10.21HeartsbaneI just read it and thought it was funny
20:10.30RedHeronActually, you can build an effective atomic device with blasting caps and some enriched uranium... if you manage to get the enriched uranium without poisoning yourself and everyone around it.
20:12.35encryptzhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-March/000400.html
20:12.41encryptz2nd bullet point
20:12.47encryptzhow unfortunate
20:14.19encryptzit looks like they'll continue to provide sparc builds?
20:14.38encryptzlooking at the tree, it's available at any event
20:15.12HeartsbaneI feel for ya aaron I really do
20:15.45Supaplexwhat's the ubuntu equiv of http://www.debian.org/ports/ ?
20:15.47encryptzHeartsbane: no you don't
20:15.48brac[Debian -- Ports]
20:16.06Heartsbaneencryptz: oh you could sense that all the way over there?
20:17.44encryptzyup
20:18.12encryptzSupaplex: there isn't one. but we were support to support x86, x86_64, ppc and sparc
20:42.14SargunRedHeron, They should start teaching nuclear weapons design at BYU
20:42.23Sargunor have a nuclear weapons track
20:42.33nick125yawns
20:42.39nick125I think I'm gonna setup gallery2
20:42.41RedHeronSargun: Yeah, but they wouldn't let me go. :D
20:42.50RedHeronwould have to become Mormon first.
20:42.50Sargunnick125, I use album
20:43.27Sargunhigh-fives another non-mormon in here
20:43.57RedHeron^5s back = 5^
20:44.16Tenealso
20:44.17nick125used another 600MB of storage within the last 15 minutes
20:44.38nick125I knew I should've gotten the 8GB CF card :p
20:45.37nick125This 4GB isn't going to last long
20:45.44Sargunyeah
20:45.58nick125especially when I can go through 10MB a second.
20:46.11Sargunnick125, you need to get an 8TB array
20:46.25nick125Sargun: I can't hook that up to my camera too well
20:46.34RedHeronactually wants a 16TB array.
20:46.59RedHeronFor the little Creative ov519 webcam.... :D
20:49.20Sargunuh
20:49.32Sargunnick125, CF, right?
20:49.34nick125yes
20:49.51nick125And no, I'm not hacking my $700 camera.
20:49.55Sargunhaha
20:50.01Sargunisn't CF IDE?
20:50.09Supaplex-ish
20:50.09nick125It's closely related, I think.
20:50.10Sargunor can't you do IDE over CF?
20:50.13Sargunyeah
20:50.27Sargunbecause IIRC I saw a CF <--> IDE convertor board
20:50.30Supaplexit's trivial to interconnect
20:51.05SargunGOD DON'T PRACTICE YOUR FREAKING TROMBONE OR WHATEVER THE HECK YOU ARE PLAYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
20:51.18Sargunthrows a rock at his neighbors house
20:52.46TeneAnyone here looked at xpra before?
20:53.37Sargunnick125, Anyways, you could get a CF adapter, bring it to IDE, get an IDE Target emulator, and then plug that into your array terminator
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21:00.50Sargunnick125, see
21:00.52Sarguneasy
21:00.53Sargunpeasy
21:03.36whiteleywho is going to voluteer to talk some sense into s.morrey?
21:07.23Sargun(14:02:02) xbabagx has gone away.
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21:07.23Sargun(14:02:39) xbabagx has signed off.
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21:07.24Sargunerr
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21:11.32TeneNice pasting skillz, Sargun.
21:12.50Sargunheh, the few things I hate about the laptop vs. a desktop
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21:43.01Sargunmrpull seems to be having connectivity problems
21:43.19TeneThat's just what he wants you to think!
21:43.52Sargunok.
21:44.33mrpull-xyes i am
21:44.38mrpull-xstupid hotel network
21:44.53mrpull-xscreen to the rescue?
21:45.22mrpull-xone more reason to complain about the canadians
21:46.37mrpull-xsorry for the crapflood
21:47.54Supaplexand you thought the carrier pigeons were for show
21:58.54Sargunmrpull-x, where in canada
22:02.24mrpull-xtoronto
22:03.12nick125looks through his pics...hmm
22:03.24Sargunnick125, linkage
22:03.42nick125god, this is so slow.
22:04.01nick125mirage is loading like...half a picture per second
22:04.19nick125Sargun: sure, lemme get my gallery setup first
22:04.36Sargunok
22:07.34nick125I need some better lighting
22:08.53Sargunwhat are you taking pictures of
22:09.14nick125stuff inside
22:09.27nick125waits
22:09.33nick125*   Linking in required files
22:09.33nick125*     This can take several minutes for larger apps
22:09.50Sargunhahah
22:10.02nick125waits
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22:29.51nick125gallery takes forever to setup.
22:50.52Sargundoes it now
22:52.16nick125finally back online.
22:52.20nick125Stupid wireless
22:53.00nick125I moved my router so I should get better signal
23:04.20Sargunlol
23:04.30elggallery's dumb
23:04.37Sargunnick125, done yet?
23:04.46elgyou can beta test my better-than-gallery
23:04.49elgfoton.fugal.net
23:04.51nick125Sargun: I've gotta install java for the upload applet
23:05.05elgscoffs at upload applets
23:05.15nick125What's it written in?
23:05.23elgscp, rsync, sftp...
23:05.27elgit's RoR
23:05.32nick125eek :/
23:05.45elghey, gallery's written in PHP
23:05.58elgand you're installing java for the applet
23:06.00elgI wouldn't be talking
23:06.03nick125lol
23:06.24nick125I was hoping that the java applet would have a "preview" function....
23:06.32elgit's ugly as sin
23:06.37Sargunnick125, use album
23:06.42elgnot to mention highly dysfunctional
23:06.44nick125Sargun: link?
23:06.52Sargunin portage
23:06.58elgf-spot I think has some gallery interaction ability
23:06.59Sargun[I] media-gfx/album
23:06.59Sargun<PROTECTED>
23:06.59Sargun<PROTECTED>
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23:07.01elgthough I'm not sure how much
23:07.01Sargunit kicks but.
23:07.50nick125Sargun: Is it fastcgi or..?
23:07.59elgfoton is way faster than gallery, though it does build thumbnails lazily so the first time you (or someone else) looks at an album it takes a moment
23:08.23elgyou just scp your pictures into a regular file system, and it does the rest
23:09.40Sargunnick125, http://xbmodder.us/?q=admin/reports/dblog
23:09.45Sargunnick125, straight HTML
23:09.58Sargunuser warning: Unknown column 'b.theme' in 'where clause' query: SELECT DISTINCT b.* FROM blocks b LEFT JOIN blocks_roles r ON b.module = r.module AND b.delta = r.delta WHERE b.theme = 'bluemarine' AND b.status = 1 AND (r.rid IN (1) OR r.rid IS NULL) ORDER BY b.region, b.weight, b.module in /var/web/thebrokenwargames.gotdns.com/modules/block/block.module on line 403.
23:10.03Sargunthat's great.
23:10.08Sargunthat looks like my code.
23:10.13nick125lol
23:12.39SargunI HATE UPDATES
23:12.57Supaplexhits || Pause on Sargun's brain to prevent updates
23:15.15nick125all I need is an SCP client that can preview these images before I upload them
23:16.24nick125Something that is GTK but without 5 zillion gnome deps
23:17.00SargunW|T|F
23:17.07Sargundrupal deleted all my content
23:17.26nick125No big deal, just restore from backup and try again.
23:17.43SargunI only backed up one of the databases
23:18.11nick125kicks gallery
23:18.20nick125Input file img_0519.jpg exceeds maximum permitted file size
23:18.23nick125DIE
23:18.55Sargun*cough* album *cough*
23:19.35nick125Sargun: If I wanted to write a script to do it manually, I would've already done that.
23:21.03nick125Let's try this again.
23:21.16nick125crap
23:21.20nick125bad bad bad
23:21.32nick125/usr/bin/php-cgi: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:26.18Sargunhaha
23:27.28Sarguncat binlog.1|grep -i -e "UPDATE|INSERT|DROP"
23:27.36Sargunshouldn't that grep for UPDATE INSERT OR DROP?
23:27.36nick125recompiles PHP -_-
23:27.42Sargunor is my regex weak
23:37.00Supaplexnibbles on an ice cream cone NOM NOM NOM
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23:37.16nick125wants some ice cream
23:38.06SupaplexSargun: egrep -i '(UPDATE|INSERT|DROP)' binlog.1  -- but being a binlog, it might goofus your $TTY
23:38.57SargunSupaplex, yeah, it was -E not -e
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23:48.09nick125http://gallery.nick125.com/main.php?g2_itemId=16 < Kitty!
23:48.29Sargun~dog nick125
23:48.29ibotACTION stares at nick125 until nick125 whimpers and pees all over himself.
23:48.46SupaplexSargun: tell me more about album
23:50.52Sargunneeds to latest release of drupal-4.7
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23:52.08SargunSupaplex, its a highly customizable script that uses Image Magick
23:52.19Sargunthat generates a table of thumbnails
23:52.57Sargunnick125, nice job.
23:53.02nick125Sargun: thanks
23:54.07mrpull-ltsweet.  curling on tv.
23:54.58SupaplexI'm looking for something for inventory. I'd like to group them by box they're stored in.  I'd like comments for each picture to be searchable.  I'd also like to move pictures (with their comments) to any other group (eg, when sorting inventory between boxes).  Think it would work well for that?
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