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| 00:35.59 | sargun_screen | heya all, Mista G. |
| 00:36.19 | sargun_screen | ~tickle elmo |
| 00:36.20 | ibot | ACTION jumps on elmo, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 00:36.44 | sargun_screen | I'm hungry |
| 00:38.22 | nick125 | It hates me for some reason. |
| 00:38.27 | sargun_screen | haha |
| 00:38.27 | sargun_screen | what does it do |
| 00:38.28 | sargun_screen | or not do |
| 00:40.15 | sargun_screen | Some guy is riding the train with his CPA |
| 00:40.20 | sargun_screen | haha |
| 00:40.23 | sargun_screen | That's cool. |
| 00:41.24 | sargun_screen | Which plus? |
| 00:41.24 | sargun_screen | WThe important one. |
| 00:43.16 | sargun_screen | "Video game publisher Activision Inc. has asked a federal court to declare that its popular "Guitar Hero" game does not violate a patent held by real-guitar maker Gibson Guitar Corp. Gibson's 1999 patent covers a virtual-reality device that included a headset with speakers and that simulated participating in a concert, according to a complaint filed on Tuesday by Santa Monica, Calif.-based Activision in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles." |
| 00:43.22 | sargun_screen | Screw Gibson |
| 00:43.35 | sargun_screen | What did they ever do other than make crappy, overpriced equipment? |
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| 01:27.43 | nick125 | Anyone experienced with openwrt? |
| 01:30.20 | beandog | kinda. |
| 01:30.55 | nick125 | I was wondering if you could give me a hand with getting openwrt working |
| 01:31.11 | beandog | what part |
| 01:32.06 | nick125 | I'm trying to get OpenWRT to work with my WPA2-Enterprise radius server. For some reason, my clients associate, but they can't authenticate. Also, I'm having an issue where upon reboot, it isn't setting the SSID. |
| 01:32.44 | beandog | hmm, thats outta my league. |
| 01:32.54 | beandog | dunno anything about radius |
| 01:32.58 | beandog | as far as SSID, that's odd. |
| 01:33.04 | beandog | is other settings being saved? |
| 01:33.21 | nick125 | It seems like the rest are, yes |
| 01:34.24 | nick125 | the SSID is getting saved, but it isn't being used (iwconfig and wl don't show the SSID set) |
| 01:34.33 | beandog | oh |
| 01:34.39 | beandog | now thats *really* strange |
| 01:34.46 | beandog | whats it using |
| 01:35.06 | nick125 | It's not setting an SSID at all |
| 01:38.36 | beandog | Hmm |
| 01:38.40 | beandog | are you changing any other wireless settings |
| 01:39.06 | beandog | oh yah, that'll simplify things |
| 01:39.49 | nick125 | woah |
| 01:39.55 | nick125 | I think it might have started to work |
| 01:39.59 | nick125 | <2>CTRL-EVENT-EAP-STARTED EAP authentication started |
| 01:40.51 | nick125 | I'm still not fully authenticated for some reason..hmm |
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| 01:51.37 | nick125 | Hmm.... |
| 01:51.54 | nick125 | It seems like my RADIUS server is authenticating the request and sending it back...but still nothing. |
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| 01:53.53 | nick125 | w00t |
| 01:53.55 | nick125 | now it works |
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| 01:55.36 | beandog | cool |
| 01:55.58 | beandog | nothing like good old american persistence |
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| 01:56.25 | nick125 | I'm getting much better signal in here with the WRT |
| 01:57.00 | nick125 | beandog: Are you running Kamikaze or Whiterussian? |
| 01:57.26 | beandog | I dont remember |
| 01:57.27 | beandog | the latest one. |
| 01:58.17 | nick125 | aah |
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| 02:09.04 | tripzero | did anyone goto the 2007 utosc? |
| 02:10.04 | beandog | herlo did |
| 02:11.45 | tripzero | jsmith what sessions did you attend? |
| 02:12.06 | jsmith | tripzero: A bunch of them... I don't remember them all |
| 02:12.13 | jsmith | tripzero: I even presented a couple of times |
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| 02:12.38 | tripzero | what were the most interesting ones? |
| 02:12.46 | tripzero | ...that you attended of course |
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| 02:14.23 | Sargun | nick125_treo, finally |
| 02:14.24 | Sargun | normality |
| 02:14.25 | nick125_treo | ugh |
| 02:14.29 | nick125_treo | I broke wpa again |
| 02:14.50 | nick125_treo | now it works |
| 02:14.57 | nick125 | this is frustrating |
| 02:15.10 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:15.39 | Sargun | hence the reason I use VPN |
| 02:18.22 | tripzero | jsmith? |
| 02:18.57 | jsmith | tripzero: The one that goozbach did on Xen was good, the Pete Ashdown presentation was good |
| 02:19.12 | jsmith | tripzero: Jayce^'s presentation on Freeside was good |
| 02:19.48 | jsmith | tripzero: bbeatie's presentation on MythTV (complete with Asterisk) was great (at least the little snippet I got to see) |
| 02:20.04 | tripzero | jsmith: did you go to the car entertainment one? |
| 02:20.27 | jsmith | tripzero: No |
| 02:21.48 | tripzero | I going to try to go to more of the presentations this year |
| 02:22.04 | tripzero | mythtv would have been cool |
| 02:26.27 | sontek | goozbach: ping |
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| 02:27.07 | sontek | the most fun I had at UTOSC2007 was the GuruLab's Troubleshooting challenge |
| 02:27.16 | Sargun | ooh |
| 02:27.19 | Sargun | did they have RPMs |
| 02:27.28 | Sargun | that screwed something about the system up |
| 02:28.49 | sontek | yeah |
| 02:28.55 | sontek | they had some pretty interesting problems |
| 02:29.12 | tripzero | sontek: what were some of the other notable ones you liked? |
| 02:29.15 | sontek | a lot of them you really wouldn't see in a production system, but they tested your knowledge |
| 02:29.36 | sontek | tripzero: I was working registration for the event so I only got to sneak away and see bits of presentations |
| 02:29.52 | sontek | tripzero: but goozbach and lamont's xen presentations were very informative |
| 02:30.04 | sontek | tripzero: and my mono presentation was amazing ;) |
| 02:30.16 | tripzero | lol |
| 02:30.21 | tripzero | sontek: you do mono? |
| 02:30.28 | sontek | tripzero: yeah |
| 02:31.03 | sontek | tripzero: didn't you do the presentation on car audio/media? |
| 02:31.10 | tripzero | i want to get into mono. I'm doing heaps of c# at work and kinda want to kick the windows xp environment |
| 02:31.33 | sontek | tripzero: I can help you get setup, my current company was a full windows shop when I get there |
| 02:31.45 | sontek | tripzero: we have 1 production IIS server and SQL server, the rest is linux now |
| 02:31.55 | tripzero | sontek: yes. I'm trying to get some feedback to know if I should do something similar again this year... |
| 02:32.24 | sontek | I heard a lot of people say it was great |
| 02:32.27 | tripzero | sontek: how does monodevelop compare to VS2008? |
| 02:32.36 | sontek | and if I remember right we had to move some chairs into your room :P |
| 02:33.13 | sontek | tripzero: outside the lack of a debugger (debugger support is in svn, but far from complete) it works well |
| 02:33.21 | sontek | has good code completion |
| 02:33.27 | sontek | and supports visual studio solutions |
| 02:33.28 | tripzero | nice :D |
| 02:33.33 | tripzero | very nice :) |
| 02:34.13 | sontek | But overall its good enough to get the job done |
| 02:34.19 | sontek | vs2008 is definitely more powerful |
| 02:35.04 | sontek | Jayce^: Tene: ping |
| 02:35.48 | tripzero | i'm really used to kdevelop, but now that i'm using vs2008, I realize that kdevelop isn't even close |
| 02:36.14 | tripzero | it still works good though :) |
| 02:36.32 | Tene | sontek: pong |
| 02:37.05 | sontek | Tene: next version of perl, will they have type inference? or are they always going to have the separation of string/numeric |
| 02:39.18 | sontek | tripzero: it'll be hard to sell monodevelop to hardcore windows guys who love their visual studio, but if you aren't too dependent on an IDE, monodevelop will work great |
| 02:39.51 | sontek | tripzero: it has built in subversion support, which vs2008 lacks |
| 02:40.08 | tripzero | sontek: great. I'd love to get back to Linux. I really hate the window manager in XP. |
| 02:40.13 | Tene | sontek: string comparisons are different from numeric comparisons. For example, 2 < 10, but "2" gt "10". |
| 02:40.17 | tripzero | ooOooo svn support :) |
| 02:41.00 | sontek | Tene: I know, I was wondering if they were going to ix that in newer versions |
| 02:41.04 | Tene | sontek: Perl 6 has great type inference. In Perl 6, "==" converts to Num before comparison, and "eq" converts to String before comparison. |
| 02:41.09 | sontek | Tene: most languages can infer the type from its usage |
| 02:42.10 | sontek | seems silly to have to do == vs eq when it should know "rawr" is a string |
| 02:42.22 | Tene | sontek: How do you feel about using "+" for string concatenation? |
| 02:43.17 | sontek | Tene: I'm touchy on that one because concatentation and addition *are* two different things |
| 02:43.30 | Tene | sontek: The problem is that those are different operations, and if you're expecting a string comparison, but your strings happen to contain numbers, then suddenly your comparisons are wrong. |
| 02:43.42 | Tene | For example, 1 == 1.0, but "1" ne "1.0" |
| 02:44.01 | sontek | yeah, but it should know that "1" is a string |
| 02:44.07 | sontek | because its in quotes |
| 02:44.50 | Tene | sontek: and if it's stuffed inside a variable instead? Do you want to enforce string behavior by default for: my $num = <STDIN>; ? |
| 02:45.11 | Tene | In Perl 6, yes, you can do what you're wanting to do. Perl 5 isn't going to get it, though. |
| 02:45.54 | sontek | yeah, I guess that makes sense, in python you just have int() and str() but thats not any better than 2 different operators |
| 02:46.19 | Tene | == casts to Num, eq casts to Str. |
| 02:46.33 | Tene | 'cmp' is generic. |
| 02:47.26 | sontek | yeah, it just bothered me because yesterday I was hacking on my first perl script and I did if("d" == "u") and that evaluated to true (well 1) |
| 02:47.31 | sontek | and I couldn't figure out why |
| 02:47.39 | sontek | but I found use warnings; helps with that |
| 02:47.50 | Tene | Yeah, it is surprising behavior. |
| 02:48.06 | sontek | and I figured it should have been smart enough to do string comparison because both of them were obviously strings |
| 02:48.47 | Tene | http://perlcabal.org/syn/S03.html#Comparison_semantics |
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| 03:19.44 | goozbach | sontek: pong |
| 03:19.47 | goozbach | but not for long |
| 03:21.41 | sontek | goozbach: I was wondering what the library for twitter was that I needed to integrate with but I found it on the twitter you sent this morning |
| 03:40.14 | levi | Having used a treo for a while, I'm not sure why anyone would want to use one to chat online. |
| 03:40.41 | levi | At least when a real computer is available. |
| 03:40.58 | levi | And I'm still steadfastly avoiding Twitter. |
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| 03:52.48 | atoponce | levi, +1 |
| 03:54.30 | sontek | levi: nerd! All the cool people are twittering ;) |
| 03:55.42 | RedHeron | ^5 levi |
| 03:56.03 | levi | Hey, there are people awake here. |
| 03:56.11 | vontrapp | levi++ |
| 03:56.25 | sontek | ~steal levi's lunch money |
| 03:56.26 | ibot | ACTION grabs levi's lunch money and gives it to sontek |
| 03:57.26 | RedHeron | ~steal sontek's lunch money |
| 03:57.27 | ibot | ACTION grabs sontek's lunch money and gives it to redheron |
| 03:57.35 | sontek | jerk! |
| 03:58.00 | vontrapp | ~steal RedHeron's moneys |
| 03:58.01 | ibot | ACTION grabs RedHeron's moneys and gives it to vontrapp |
| 03:58.12 | RedHeron | ~steal vontrapp's identity |
| 03:58.13 | ibot | ACTION grabs vontrapp's identity and gives it to redheron |
| 03:58.33 | RedHeron | ~steal atoponce's soul |
| 03:58.33 | ibot | ACTION grabs atoponce's soul and gives it to redheron |
| 03:58.42 | levi | ~steal atoponce's will |
| 03:58.42 | ibot | ACTION grabs atoponce's will and gives it to levi |
| 03:59.54 | RedHeron | Can I get my 5-cent refund? |
| 04:00.01 | atoponce | hah |
| 04:00.25 | RedHeron | As long as it's not buried in my forehead, I think that's fine. |
| 04:07.03 | levi | Aaargh, the way this compiler project is organized is killing me. |
| 04:21.58 | nick125 | Anyone here really familar with OpenLDAP and LDAP in general? I was wonder if there was a way to add "tags" to a user...for instance, if I wanted an attribute to determine if a user has wifi access, etc. |
| 04:22.40 | Sargun | uhh |
| 04:22.44 | Sargun | why |
| 04:22.50 | nick125 | Sargun: Because |
| 04:22.55 | Sargun | and yeah, you can add a scheme file for that |
| 04:22.59 | Sargun | schema |
| 04:23.06 | fozzmoo | That's the beauty of LDAP |
| 04:23.08 | nick125 | I figured as much. |
| 04:23.31 | nick125 | I wonder how hard it would be to get FreeRADIUS to pull from LDAP and check that flag |
| 04:23.56 | Sargun | medially |
| 04:29.52 | tensai | nick125: yes, that's completely possible. I've done it a few times. |
| 04:30.14 | tensai | nick125: we use Radiator for radius, but I wouldn't doubt FreeRadius could do it |
| 04:30.38 | nick125 | tensai: Neat. |
| 04:31.18 | Sargun | Hmm, I have a weird clicking noise in my right arm every time I do a pushup |
| 04:32.06 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Welcome to old age, man. |
| 04:32.20 | Sargun | crap |
| 04:32.28 | Sargun | I liked my skinny arms |
| 04:32.32 | tensai | nick125: you'd want to request an enterprise number from iana |
| 04:32.53 | Sargun | nick125, IANA can give you a whole lot of neat numbers |
| 04:33.05 | nick125 | tensai: I'm trying to work on that. |
| 04:33.18 | nick125 | I can't find the application though. |
| 04:33.33 | nick125 | http://www.iana.org/cgi-bin/enterprise.pl < doesn't work |
| 04:35.25 | Sargun | fozzmoo, I tried to stretch it out, it made it worse :-X |
| 04:35.38 | fozzmoo | You think it's a fat tendon? |
| 04:36.33 | nick125 | Ah, here we go |
| 04:36.36 | nick125 | http://pen.iana.org/pen/PenApplication.page |
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| 04:50.12 | nick125 | Sargun: Did you see this FCoE stuff? |
| 04:51.00 | Sargun | FC over Ethernet? |
| 04:52.12 | nick125 | yup |
| 04:53.07 | Sargun | oh |
| 04:53.07 | Sargun | ok |
| 04:59.19 | goozbach | and thus ends the day from hell, where goozbach nearly single-handlily destroys his employer with a simple accident. |
| 04:59.33 | goozbach | say goodnight goozbach |
| 04:59.34 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You talkin about your broadcast on the KVM? |
| 04:59.36 | nick125 | story time? |
| 04:59.37 | nick125 | :D |
| 04:59.42 | goozbach | "Goodnight goozbach" |
| 04:59.47 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yueah |
| 04:59.53 | fozzmoo | That's scary stuff. |
| 04:59.57 | goozbach | no kidding |
| 05:00.13 | goozbach | I went through and disabled ctrl-alt-delete in all the inittabs |
| 05:00.19 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Remember the other day when I was asking about making disk images for Xen? |
| 05:00.52 | goozbach | and it's now a pre-requsite that ctrl-alt-del is disabled to make a server "production worthy" |
| 05:00.56 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yueah |
| 05:00.57 | fozzmoo | So, I figured out (thanks nick125) I could just create a big file with dd and /dev/zero and then mkfs it... |
| 05:01.08 | goozbach | and...? |
| 05:01.13 | fozzmoo | So, I opened the Xen config file for the guest I wanted to add a disk to. |
| 05:01.19 | goozbach | andk? |
| 05:01.21 | fozzmoo | Grabbed the second filename in there and mkfs'd it. |
| 05:01.33 | fozzmoo | Only I didn't. |
| 05:01.33 | goozbach | oops |
| 05:01.44 | goozbach | you mkfs'ed the wring file? |
| 05:01.45 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Staging appliction server had to be rebuilt. |
| 05:01.49 | goozbach | wrong file |
| 05:01.51 | nick125 | ouch |
| 05:01.52 | goozbach | ha ha! |
| 05:02.00 | goozbach | fozzmoo: use virsh |
| 05:02.03 | fozzmoo | A few people were quietly pissed at me. |
| 05:02.06 | fozzmoo | virsh? |
| 05:02.12 | goozbach | virtual shell |
| 05:02.14 | nick125 | You got to be careful where you point that thing! (mkfs, that is) |
| 05:02.19 | fozzmoo | no kidding. |
| 05:02.37 | goozbach | fozzmoo: think of it as bash for virtualization |
| 05:02.40 | goozbach | virsh |
| 05:02.41 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Thanks for the pointer on virsh. |
| 05:02.45 | goozbach | (as root) |
| 05:02.46 | fozzmoo | I'll check it out. It looks nice. |
| 05:02.48 | goozbach | then type help |
| 05:03.09 | nick125 | goozbach: Does libvirt support connecting to remote hosts yet/ |
| 05:03.09 | goozbach | it's one of those, "use one or the other, but not both" tools |
| 05:03.24 | goozbach | nick125: on fedora and centos at least |
| 05:03.34 | nick125 | neat |
| 05:03.43 | goozbach | if you use virsh, just use virsh |
| 05:03.52 | fozzmoo | k. |
| 05:03.55 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Go to bed.\ |
| 05:04.05 | goozbach | it can dissagree with files in /etc/xen if you don't be careful |
| 05:04.19 | goozbach | which is what the init scripts of the host use to start things on reboot. |
| 05:04.55 | goozbach | so if the settings in libvirt's store (what virsh uses) don't match /etc/xen, things get messed. |
| 05:05.04 | fozzmoo | tty tomorrow |
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| 05:10.26 | Sargun | ttyl |
| 05:13.14 | nick125 | hmm |
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| 08:14.01 | tensai | it's so hard to go back to bed once I'm up |
| 08:19.29 | Sargun | tensai, Don't you hate that? |
| 08:19.55 | tensai | totally. I know I need to go back to sleep otherwise I'll hate myself tomorrow, but I'm just not tired right now. |
| 08:20.38 | Sargun | tensai, Yeah, I've always found hugging something warm |
| 08:20.41 | Sargun | in bed helps |
| 08:20.50 | Sargun | like I have this pillow that I can put in the microwave |
| 08:20.57 | Sargun | its quite calming |
| 11:34.04 | atoponce | speaking of getting out of bed, i just awoke having the most vivid dream of my 10th high school reunion |
| 11:34.20 | atoponce | and i've never been to one |
| 11:35.09 | atoponce | all my friends were there, as well as teachers i took classes from. there were people there i didn't recognize |
| 11:35.20 | atoponce | everyone looked a bit older |
| 11:35.46 | atoponce | the school was still the same. the smells and colors were all very vivid |
| 11:35.54 | atoponce | even the awkwardness of trying to remember names |
| 11:36.09 | atoponce | it was wild. very very real |
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| 13:15.12 | Supaplex | hey migs =) |
| 13:18.40 | findlay | hello |
| 13:19.06 | ^Migs^ | hey Supaplex, findlay |
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| 13:32.24 | ^Migs^ | does anyone watch Lost? |
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| 13:35.46 | elg | probably, or it would have been canceled |
| 13:36.57 | ^Migs^ | no, I mean anyone in here watch it? |
| 13:43.55 | RyanE | ^Migs^: yeah, I watched it. |
| 13:44.07 | RyanE | but I'm heading into work now. |
| 13:44.21 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 13:44.32 | RyanE | why? are you confused? |
| 13:44.45 | ^Migs^ | no, just wanted to talk about last night's episode |
| 13:45.01 | ^Migs^ | but now I've lost interest |
| 13:45.27 | RyanE | heh. |
| 13:45.49 | RyanE | I don't have much "Lost" interest at this point, either. Sorta just watching it wrap up. :) |
| 13:46.12 | ^Migs^ | no, I meant I wanted to talk about it 5 minutes ago, but now I don't |
| 13:46.34 | ^Migs^ | I'm still enthralled by the show itself, though |
| 13:46.40 | RyanE | ^Migs^: Yeah, I understood. :) |
| 13:46.51 | RyanE | just sounded funny when you said you lost interest. |
| 13:46.53 | RyanE | later |
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| 15:32.18 | eggyknap | brasto_: ping |
| 15:32.49 | brasto | yes? |
| 15:33.12 | unum | have I mentioned my hatred for comcast lately? |
| 15:33.25 | brasto | ~hate comcast |
| 15:33.26 | ibot | Hey brasto, ,,|, |
| 15:33.40 | eggyknap | brasto: How would UDBUG like a link to its site from the PostgreSQL User Groups page? |
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| 15:34.30 | eggyknap | (I realize, of course, that UDBUG isn't PostgreSQL-specific) |
| 15:34.41 | brasto | eggyknap: I think we'd like that! |
| 15:35.06 | eggyknap | brasto: I can do that for you, I think. I figured that would be the answer, but I also figured I should ask first. |
| 15:35.10 | brasto | i wonder if there's a mysql user groups page also that i could contact... |
| 15:36.25 | brasto | sounds good. thanks eggyknap |
| 15:36.29 | eggyknap | yw |
| 15:36.31 | atoponce | unum, i hate them as well. why do you hate them so now? |
| 15:37.07 | brasto | so, why does .profile work and not .bashrc on my Leapord-based Mac? |
| 15:37.44 | atoponce | brasto, what are you trying to set? |
| 15:37.49 | atoponce | or accomplish? |
| 15:38.17 | eggyknap | On the boxen I mess with, .bash_profile explicitly calls .bashrc, which suggests that if .profile isn't calling it explicitly, .bashrc might do nothing for you. But none of these are Macs. |
| 15:39.49 | brasto | atoponce: some aliases and add to the $PATH variable. |
| 15:40.00 | brasto | so my mac ports work |
| 15:40.44 | atoponce | brasto, is ~/.bashrc being sourced in your ~/.profile file? |
| 15:41.08 | atoponce | if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi |
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| 15:41.30 | levi | Yo. |
| 15:42.21 | levi | brasto: I'll bet elg would know the answer to your question. |
| 15:43.00 | elg | probably. i know everything |
| 15:44.29 | elg | -seen brasto |
| 15:44.29 | brac | brasto was last seen 4 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying so my mac ports work |
| 15:45.00 | levi | He wants to know why .profile works and not .bashroc on his Leopard-based Mac. |
| 15:45.02 | brasto | i'll give that a try atoponce |
| 15:45.07 | levi | Er, .bashrc |
| 15:45.20 | elg | man bash, search for INVOCATION |
| 15:45.31 | elg | short answer: source .bashrc from your .profile (or .bash_profile) |
| 15:45.43 | atoponce | heh |
| 15:45.44 | brasto | fortunately, it works with .profile, though i thought .profile was "the old way". |
| 15:46.00 | elg | think of .profile as analogous to .gvimrc |
| 15:46.18 | elg | except .bashrc (analogous to .vimrc) doesn't get sourced automatically |
| 15:46.28 | elg | .profile is sourced on login shells |
| 15:46.35 | elg | .bashrc is sourced on non-login shells |
| 15:46.51 | brasto | interesting |
| 15:47.04 | atoponce | .bash_logout when you logout of a login shell |
| 15:47.32 | elg | .bash_head when you have a hard-to-debug program |
| 15:48.00 | brasto | i've never added commands for logging out of shell... do you use that to clean up processes or something atoponce? |
| 15:48.02 | atoponce | don't forget /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc globally for all users on the system |
| 15:48.16 | eggyknap | Ok, what's .bash_head? |
| 15:48.20 | atoponce | brasto, useful for clearing the screen |
| 15:48.25 | elg | to add to the confusion, some misguided distros source the user's .bashrc in /etc/profile |
| 15:48.34 | atoponce | or whatever else you want to run when you logout |
| 15:48.41 | brasto | ah... i like that idea atoponce |
| 15:49.06 | atoponce | there is no /etc/bash_logout, or equiv for all users, however |
| 15:49.14 | brasto | anyone used tcsh on a mac? |
| 15:49.25 | thaddeusq | eggyknap: .bash_head is a joke |
| 15:49.45 | thaddeusq | eggyknap: when you have a hard to debug program, what to you want to do? .bash_head |
| 15:50.07 | eggyknap | thaddeusq: I must not have slept enough. Thanks for the explanation :) |
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| 15:50.55 | levi | Cool, I'm getting a task lamp for my desk. Now I just need a soldering iron and I'll be set. |
| 15:51.52 | brasto | TimRiker: you can take infobot off of #cwxtesting |
| 15:52.12 | brasto | i used that channel for my old job, and now it's not used anymore |
| 15:52.24 | brasto | since my old job doesn't exist anymore |
| 15:53.11 | brasto | i'm trying to register #udbug... but when I /msg chanserv register #udbug it doesn't work... |
| 15:53.31 | atoponce | msg chanserv register #udbug <password> |
| 15:54.18 | brasto | ah, i forgot the # ... |
| 15:57.05 | fungus | brasto: I used to use tcsh on everything including my mac, but switched to bash for it's ubiquitousness. |
| 15:57.18 | brasto | ok, it won't let me register it because I'm not the channel admin, but I can't be the channel admin without registering the channel? |
| 15:57.32 | brasto | ~ubiquitousness |
| 15:57.44 | brasto | ~dict ubiquity |
| 15:57.55 | fungus | lol, woot I made a word up. |
| 15:59.06 | elg | brasto: you're the channel admin when you join a new channel |
| 15:59.17 | elg | to become admin you have to get everyone to leave then join it |
| 15:59.26 | fungus | I often miss tcsh and want to switch back |
| 16:00.55 | levi | Hmm, Richard K. Miller's "You're Already in the Best of All Possible Situations" makes me shake my head. |
| 16:01.13 | elg | is that a bad song? |
| 16:01.58 | *** topic/#utah by goozbach -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | Happy π day! |
| 16:02.34 | levi | No, it's a blog entry that is a book review. |
| 16:02.35 | atoponce | brasto, or #freenode, and get a staffer to help you migrate the channel to you |
| 16:02.43 | levi | I assume he liked the book, but the literary reference he (unintentionally?) makes suggests otherwise. |
| 16:04.37 | TimRiker | brasto: k. thx. |
| 16:05.03 | unum | fungus: want a job :) |
| 16:05.12 | brasto | fungus, i do to, but i usually use bash now since it seems "the thing to do" |
| 16:05.30 | unum | wow |
| 16:05.48 | unum | I'm stuck on tcsh and hate it |
| 16:05.49 | fungus | unum: Thanks for the offer, but I got a good one here. |
| 16:06.08 | unum | fungus: we could switch so I can use bash :) |
| 16:06.08 | brasto | lol |
| 16:06.23 | fungus | brasto: I don't care about "the thing to do", I care about having my preferred shell pre-installed on every OS everywhere. |
| 16:06.40 | atoponce | unum, just set bash in your .cshrc |
| 16:06.48 | atoponce | that's what i did when i was there |
| 16:06.54 | unum | atoponce: I have to write scipts for other users |
| 16:07.00 | fungus | unum: Why would you *have* to use tcsh? |
| 16:07.23 | unum | fungus: we have a proprietary program that doesn't seem to work with bash |
| 16:07.32 | unum | so we have to run it from tcsh |
| 16:07.34 | atoponce | unum, or chsh. then go into tcsh when you need it, otherwise, stay out |
| 16:07.47 | fungus | atoponce is right. |
| 16:07.56 | unum | atoponce: it's writing scipts in tcsh that I hate |
| 16:07.59 | fungus | Use bash as your login shell, and just call you app from tcsh when you need it. |
| 16:08.07 | atoponce | the scripts should have #!/bin/csh in them anyway, which shouldn't interferre with your shell |
| 16:08.13 | unum | unlike you I can(and have) changed my default shell |
| 16:08.19 | unum | bet I still have to write the scripts |
| 16:08.28 | fungus | Your login shell doesn't have to match your shell scripts. |
| 16:08.41 | fungus | Oh, I get it... |
| 16:08.53 | fungus | You don't want to touch tcsh at all. |
| 16:08.56 | atoponce | i think he's saying he hates developing csh scripts |
| 16:08.57 | unum | ya |
| 16:09.07 | atoponce | of which, i would a gree |
| 16:09.12 | atoponce | s/a g/ag/ |
| 16:09.30 | atoponce | zsh or bust! |
| 16:09.37 | fungus | I love tcsh as an interactive login shell, but not for shell scripts. |
| 16:10.00 | atoponce | fungus, but don't you miss the <tab><tab>? |
| 16:10.11 | unum | atoponce: that's what I miss most |
| 16:10.23 | unum | then my previous login command history |
| 16:10.40 | atoponce | forgot about that. that was annoying too |
| 16:10.51 | atoponce | leaving it in screen somewhat fixes that though |
| 16:11.19 | atoponce | unum, you never answered me about why you hate comcast |
| 16:11.20 | fungus | atoponce: <tab><tab> that just lists the autocompletion. tcsh can do that too. |
| 16:11.46 | atoponce | fungus, does it need to be added to the .cshrc? |
| 16:12.01 | fungus | one itty bitty tweak yes |
| 16:12.06 | atoponce | ah hah |
| 16:12.20 | atoponce | what is that "itty bitty tweak" |
| 16:13.17 | fungus | set autoexpand |
| 16:13.59 | atoponce | cool. any tweaks to preserve history across logins? |
| 16:14.24 | fungus | set histfile=.history |
| 16:14.44 | atoponce | unum, there you go. :) |
| 16:14.47 | unum | atoponce: I lost connectivity for several hours again yesterday |
| 16:15.04 | fungus | tcsh needs quite a few tweaks to get it right, but when you do, it totally rules. |
| 16:15.09 | atoponce | unum, as did i. i haven't been able to get my wife to get the tubes unclogged. still down, as far as i know |
| 16:15.25 | atoponce | which is really upsetting |
| 16:15.29 | unum | mine went back up yesterday |
| 16:15.29 | fungus | And it's code completion is so much easier and flexible than bash |
| 16:15.38 | atoponce | fungus, interesting. how does it compare to zsh? |
| 16:15.50 | fungus | Don't know, never tried zsh |
| 16:17.01 | fungus | The only reason I switched to bash is to not be so frustrated everytime I logged into a machine without tcsh installed. |
| 16:17.24 | fungus | Same initial reason I switched from emacs to Vim 2 years ago. |
| 16:18.29 | levi | The better solution is to get a job where you don't have to switch machines so often. ;) |
| 16:19.01 | fungus | lol, that's kinda hard when you are a sysadmin like me. |
| 16:19.37 | levi | fungus: Well, not if you get a non-sysadmin job. :P |
| 16:19.41 | levi | That's what I did! |
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| 16:24.02 | unum | we have tsch on all of our linux machines |
| 16:24.41 | levi | Silly BSDers. |
| 16:27.57 | Supaplex | you aim is lousy ;) |
| 16:28.12 | goozbach | feel bad about your day? search for "spoiled brat" on youtube |
| 16:28.15 | eggyknap | BSD makes everything nice. |
| 16:28.26 | eggyknap | Well, ok, not everything... |
| 16:28.27 | goozbach | it'll make you feel better knowing people have children like that |
| 16:28.51 | levi | BSD makes everything about the same as any other UNIXoid environment. |
| 16:29.41 | RyanE | goozbach: that's what watching 'SuperNanny' does for our family. |
| 16:30.47 | atoponce | ugh. super nanny |
| 16:30.55 | atoponce | that show is almost as bad as wife swap |
| 16:31.42 | levi | "Moment of Truth" has stooped to new lows. |
| 16:32.09 | atoponce | true. but that show is great |
| 16:33.04 | atoponce | watching people ruin their lives in front of millions for cash, then leave with nothing rocks |
| 16:34.09 | atoponce | although, i'm skeptical of the questions being asked. if only 50 are asked during the lie detector, and 21 randomly picked, those are pretty freaking accurate questions |
| 16:34.15 | atoponce | how are they getting them? |
| 16:39.57 | Supaplex | with gnu screen and on the command line (eg, not expect), how do I get an existing session to run a command+args of my choosing in a new window w/o reattaching/detaching the session? Normally you'd screen -xr session ^A^C type the command+cli, detach. I want to do all that from a script |
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| 16:40.40 | Weg1 | hey |
| 16:42.39 | Tene | hey |
| 16:43.00 | Weg1 | howz it hangin? |
| 16:43.48 | atoponce | i haven't heard that question asked since like the '80s. :) |
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| 16:44.11 | Weg1 | I'm a child of the 80s :-) |
| 16:45.32 | Weg1 | Someone in here helped me out with configuring my mail server a few weeks back. . . |
| 16:45.38 | Weg1 | Can't remember his name though. |
| 16:45.59 | Weg1 | I know he worked for Opensource.tv |
| 16:46.14 | Weg1 | any clue? |
| 16:46.30 | goozbach | Weg1: fozz? |
| 16:47.17 | Weg1 | that sounds familliar |
| 16:47.53 | Weg1 | you know much about sendmail gooz? |
| 16:48.54 | Weg1 | all of a sudden the SMTP Authentication doesn't work. |
| 16:49.06 | Weg1 | It won't accept passwords any more. :-( |
| 16:49.14 | levi | atoponce: I'm sure they ask a ton of people the questions, and only the ones with really juicy answers get to go on the show. |
| 16:50.12 | atoponce | levi, but how do they find the questions like "have you increased the dinner bill to raise your tip?" |
| 16:50.42 | atoponce | or, "this question will not be asked by me, but my your former boyfriend" |
| 16:51.51 | levi | atoponce: They probably have an extensive interview with them beforehand to figure out good questions to ask. |
| 16:52.19 | goozbach | Weg1: I do, but I don't have spare brain bandwidth to share that knowledge today. |
| 16:52.22 | goozbach | sorry |
| 16:52.34 | Jayce^ | breaking your servers again goozbach ? |
| 16:52.50 | levi | atoponce: And the questions have all been asked and answered previously while on the 'lie detector'. The show itself is re-asking them. |
| 16:53.04 | Weg1 | :-/ Ok goozbach. Anyone. . . else? |
| 16:53.34 | atoponce | levi, right. that much i know. i was just curious about the accuracy of those questions |
| 16:54.01 | levi | atoponce: By accuracy, you mean how they tend to probe personal details of the people's lives? |
| 16:54.49 | levi | I'm sure there's an interview process where juicy details come up for them to ask questions about. |
| 16:54.50 | Weg1 | that show is very painful to watch. |
| 16:54.59 | atoponce | right. if only 50 are initially asked, of which 21 are recycled, how is the accuracy of the 50 guaranteed. i understand generics, like "do you think your dad is proud of you" crap |
| 16:55.03 | levi | Yeah, I refuse to watch it again. |
| 16:55.25 | Weg1 | I know thats the point but. . . its just horrid. The whole idea of it. |
| 16:55.49 | levi | atoponce: I'm not sure what you mean by 'how is the accuracy of the 50 guaranteed'. |
| 16:56.33 | levi | They interview the person, devise 50 questions to ask on the polygraph, record the answers and the polygraph results, and then figure out which ones would be most dramatic to ask on TV. |
| 16:56.49 | atoponce | levi, in other words, are they aske 500 questions, or fill out a 300 page questionaire about their lives, then the lie detector then the show? |
| 16:58.07 | levi | I don't know the specifics, but I assume there's an in-depth interview conducted before the questions are asked on the polygraph so they know what questions would be interesting to ask. |
| 16:58.09 | atoponce | i would hope people aren't that dumb to give away that much security of their personal life |
| 16:58.19 | levi | Of course they're that dumb. |
| 16:58.21 | beandog | Im convinced its all actors. |
| 16:58.32 | beandog | Otherwise Im sure the show has ruined a few marriages / careers. |
| 16:58.35 | atoponce | in that case, it makes the show all that much more fun to watch |
| 16:58.38 | beandog | or career marriages. |
| 16:58.58 | levi | beandog: That's the whole point of the show, isn't it? |
| 16:59.29 | Weg1 | too much of that crap in real life. . . |
| 17:00.08 | levi | "We're going to dig up your worst secrets and EXPOSE THEM ON NATIONAL TV. Even the subjective ones that you don't know yourself, or might not even be really true, because polygraph tests are crap. But if you happen to answer these horrible questions correctly, you get TONS OF MONEY." |
| 17:00.11 | atoponce | dirt about people's lives is fascinating. just watching them fight isn't |
| 17:00.43 | atoponce | which is why reality shows blow |
| 17:00.47 | goozbach | Jayce^: yes, I am |
| 17:00.48 | levi | Dirt about random people's lives who you've never met before and will never see again isn't interesting. |
| 17:00.50 | atoponce | and game shows rock |
| 17:00.57 | goozbach | I have to do something to keep my job exciting. |
| 17:01.02 | Weg1 | I like Amazing Race |
| 17:01.04 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 17:01.04 | RyanE | I've never even heard about that show. But that's most shows. |
| 17:01.10 | RyanE | +1 Race |
| 17:01.13 | levi | I mean, we all know there are people out there that cheat on their wives and at work. |
| 17:01.30 | fungus | +1 Beauty and the Geek |
| 17:01.38 | atoponce | levi, of course. but having them admit it, going for the gold, only to be let down, is great |
| 17:02.42 | levi | No, that's lame. |
| 17:02.42 | Weg1 | oh geez. I just did a "service sendmail restart" and it worked. |
| 17:02.49 | Weg1 | sorry to bug. |
| 17:03.44 | levi | I watched a bit of the last Beauty and the Geek because I know someone who knew the guy who won. |
| 17:04.08 | atoponce | now, Deal or No Deal is lame |
| 17:04.14 | levi | It was a bit less reprehensible than I feared it would be. |
| 17:04.24 | atoponce | if i were ever on that show, i'd pick suitcase #1, then work numerically in order to the end |
| 17:04.41 | atoponce | it's just as random as "i feel #10. #10 is the case!" |
| 17:04.45 | levi | I am not a fan of game shows in general. As far as they go, Jeopardy is about the top of the class. |
| 17:04.49 | beandog | atoponce, nothing beats Press Your Luck |
| 17:05.05 | RyanE | Cash Cab is good. |
| 17:05.06 | atoponce | beandog, haven't seen that, but 1 vs 100 is pretty good |
| 17:05.11 | atoponce | cash cab is good too |
| 17:05.24 | elg | cash cab is fun to watch for 10 minutes from time to time |
| 17:05.38 | levi | Just a bunch of people competing, answering interesting questions about real stuff as fast as they can. No stupid dramatic pauses. |
| 17:05.40 | elg | which is more than I can say about any other game show, except perhaps jeopardy |
| 17:05.40 | atoponce | are you smarter than a 5th grader is hilarious |
| 17:05.43 | elg | depending on the topics |
| 17:05.51 | RyanE | I don't watch it as much as listen to it as I work. |
| 17:06.05 | levi | "are you smarter" might be interesting if it wasn't so horribly padded. |
| 17:06.11 | RyanE | and then imagine who I would want in the Cash Cab with me if I were on the show. |
| 17:06.42 | levi | I hate the shows that make the contestants reason everything out aloud. |
| 17:06.51 | atoponce | jeff foxworthy's "jokes" are a bit lame |
| 17:07.01 | elg | i get a kick when there's a couple of people in the cab, and one knows all the answers and the others just giggle and look dumb |
| 17:07.08 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:07.10 | RyanE | that's what *usually* happens. |
| 17:07.13 | levi | And then have all sorts of waiting and fingernail-biting and host commentary while you wait to see if they were right or not. |
| 17:07.20 | RyanE | and the dumb one will be sitting in the 'answerer's chair. |
| 17:07.32 | atoponce | i hate, absolutely *hate*, the dumb dramatic pauses |
| 17:07.34 | levi | I've never seen this Cash Cab show, so I can't comment on it. |
| 17:07.34 | RyanE | how do you pronounce fiduciary again? :) |
| 17:07.49 | atoponce | three angles of the camera, at 5 seconds each, before finding out |
| 17:07.51 | elg | it's on discovery I think |
| 17:07.52 | RyanE | levi: it's Discovery Channel. pretty fast-paced, not a lot of drama |
| 17:08.08 | levi | Ahh. Well, my lack of Discovery Channel would preclude seeing it. |
| 17:08.11 | elg | and you get shots of new york streets and traffic in between |
| 17:08.42 | atoponce | no reality show beats cops. that's the original reality tv |
| 17:08.55 | elg | cable without discovery isn't much of a deal |
| 17:09.09 | RyanE | Anyone watch My name is Earl, specifically the 'COPS' episodes? Funny. |
| 17:09.12 | atoponce | or american gladiator |
| 17:09.38 | levi | elg: I don't have cable at all, so it's a great deal. |
| 17:09.48 | elg | sigh. I'd rather write a bandwidth meter than write this paper. I guess I should do the responsiblet hing |
| 17:09.55 | elg | levi: in that case :) |
| 17:09.59 | RyanE | I'm too close to the mountain to get any OTA signal. |
| 17:10.09 | thaddeusq | atoponce: Just for kicks I took a look at the application one has to fill in to be on Moment and they ask some pretty personal things on that. |
| 17:10.18 | elg | I found this really neat paper on how to do it though |
| 17:10.27 | atoponce | thaddeusq, is it on their site? i wouldn't think of that |
| 17:10.35 | levi | elg: So, the responsible thing is to write the bandwidth meter? ;) |
| 17:10.44 | elg | alas no :) |
| 17:10.50 | levi | Aww. |
| 17:11.08 | elg | but i'm putting it in my later pile. I want to write it before i give my QoS presentation on april 1 |
| 17:11.10 | thaddeusq | Questions like: "Is there anything you want to not have be public knowledge? If so, what?" |
| 17:11.21 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:11.37 | atoponce | "we won't say anything. we promise." |
| 17:11.53 | brasto | TimRiker: can you put infobot on #udbug? |
| 17:41.39 | TimRiker | brasto: done. |
| 17:50.10 | brasto | tx TimRiker! |
| 18:22.50 | levi | I wonder if smorrey will have more luck getting clients for his consulting job than he has getting employment for another company. |
| 18:27.08 | levi | Oh my, there's a nerf war going on. |
| 18:31.28 | goozbach | levi: if you get involved, remember the rules of engagement: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/01/04 |
| 18:31.31 | brac | [Penny Arcade! - Really More Of A Loose Guideline] |
| 18:32.10 | goozbach | ~nerf |
| 18:32.11 | ibot | rumour has it, nerf is the most productive executive toy ever. |
| 18:32.31 | goozbach | ibot: nerf is also see the ROE here: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/01/04 |
| 18:32.31 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 18:32.33 | brac | [Penny Arcade! - Really More Of A Loose Guideline] |
| 18:32.36 | goozbach | ~nerf |
| 18:32.37 | ibot | nerf is probably the most productive executive toy ever. see the ROE here: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/01/04 |
| 18:32.39 | brac | [Penny Arcade! - Really More Of A Loose Guideline] |
| 18:32.43 | goozbach | hehe |
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| 20:21.11 | nick125_treo | hiya |
| 20:21.19 | Weg1 | hey |
| 20:27.03 | nick125_treo | ~dance |
| 20:27.04 | ibot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 20:29.53 | Weg1 | can there ever be enough booty? |
| 20:33.40 | goozbach | ~emulate gir |
| 20:33.40 | ibot | i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes. |
| 20:33.56 | Supaplex | ehhh oops. |
| 20:33.56 | goozbach | ~emulate mrs biters |
| 20:34.06 | goozbach | ~emulate mrs. biters |
| 20:34.12 | Supaplex | looks like uml froze my box :-/ |
| 20:34.14 | Sargun | if ($fTDU eq $tTDU) { print "Delete this file" } |
| 20:34.15 | goozbach | ~emulate Mrs. biters |
| 20:34.21 | goozbach | bah |
| 20:34.27 | Sargun | Supaplex, UML uniform modeling language? |
| 20:34.32 | Sargun | or User Mode Linux? |
| 20:34.37 | Supaplex | user mode linux |
| 20:34.39 | Sargun | or something else entirely? |
| 20:34.41 | Sargun | ouch |
| 20:36.03 | Supaplex | There is a screen on: 2703.uml2700 (Detached) |
| 20:36.04 | Supaplex | 1 Socket in /var/run/screen/S-supaplex. |
| 20:36.14 | Supaplex | shortly after that, it'z ded |
| 20:49.25 | Tene | App::TemplateServer is cool |
| 21:00.14 | ^Migs^ | I mean, they don't expect me to get it done in one day, but even still, I'm in the winding-down process right now |
| 21:05.49 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 21:05.59 | ^Migs^ | http://www.roflcon.org |
| 21:06.01 | ^Migs^ | meant to post that |
| 21:18.10 | mrpull- | ^migs^: i'd go just to shake jay maynard's hand |
| 21:37.41 | Supaplex | I think I figured out my screen question, use of -s session -X screen -X exec ... might be what I was after, but that box just died of a psu failure :( smells like some magic smoke escaped |
| 21:37.52 | Sargun | wow |
| 21:37.56 | Sargun | That's surprising |
| 21:49.20 | tensai | ~emulate ms bitters |
| 21:49.21 | ibot | The lesson here is that dreams inevitably lead to hideous implosions. |
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| 21:56.58 | goozbach | ms bitters |
| 21:57.04 | goozbach | not MRS bitters |
| 21:57.08 | goozbach | gotcha |
| 21:57.12 | goozbach | thanks tensai |
| 21:58.08 | unum | don't let the smoke out" |
| 21:58.10 | unum | ! |
| 21:58.41 | goozbach | magic smoke++ |
| 22:02.37 | mrpull- | looking at Daniel Dilts latest UUG post |
| 22:02.57 | mrpull- | i think he should get more creative with his fantasy role playing |
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