| 00:22.41 | nearn | what a day. |
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| 01:38.30 | findlay | what are you guys yammering about? |
| 01:44.46 | nix_chix0r | fo sho |
| 01:44.51 | nix_chix0r | he is a stalker |
| 01:44.55 | Sargun | what? |
| 01:44.58 | RedHeron | lol |
| 01:45.14 | RedHeron | Sargun: you're welcome, bro! |
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| 01:45.20 | Sargun | ~lart RedHeron |
| 01:45.20 | ibot | changes RedHeron's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 01:45.21 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.33 | nix_chix0r | lol |
| 01:45.54 | nix_chix0r | even though i followed him in here |
| 01:45.54 | nix_chix0r | ;p |
| 01:46.05 | nix_chix0r | i've never even been to utah |
| 01:46.13 | RedHeron | chmod mysql:www-data Sargun |
| 01:46.37 | Sargun | oh, you're the pirate party guy |
| 01:46.52 | RedHeron | Only a stalker would know that. ;-) |
| 01:46.54 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:46.57 | RedHeron | Yes, I am. |
| 01:47.20 | Sargun | nix_chix0r, have you ever dated a pirate? |
| 01:47.34 | goozbach | it's late |
| 01:47.36 | nix_chix0r | no cause all he wanted was my booty so it just wouldn't work |
| 01:47.48 | goozbach | my brain doesn't like time changing |
| 01:47.49 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Hobo dinners, eh? |
| 01:47.52 | RedHeron | Just gotta show him who the captain is. |
| 01:47.53 | goozbach | yup |
| 01:48.09 | RedHeron | goozbach: it's 6:45,,,? |
| 01:48.21 | fozzmoo | goozbach: We put some pork in the crockpot last night and let it slow roast for like 18 hours. |
| 01:48.44 | fozzmoo | let it simmer with some green chiles and tomatillo sauce |
| 01:48.44 | goozbach | foil and meat, and potatoes, and carrorts, and cream of mushroom soup, and salt and pepper, and charocol briquets, and fire, and 20min. |
| 01:48.48 | goozbach | very tasty |
| 01:48.57 | fozzmoo | Sounds yummy. Ours was delish too. |
| 01:49.01 | RedHeron | That... strangely... sounds good. |
| 01:49.09 | RedHeron | Especially the foil. |
| 01:49.12 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 01:49.20 | fozzmoo | You can make it into a hat when you're done eating. |
| 01:49.23 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 01:49.41 | goozbach | but the goo? |
| 01:49.51 | goozbach | do you wash it before "hatting" it? |
| 01:50.06 | fozzmoo | wear it inside out. :) |
| 01:50.06 | RedHeron | Nah, just dive into the nearby reservoir. |
| 01:50.14 | goozbach | yay! I've reached the limits of tuning for apache 1.3 |
| 01:50.19 | RedHeron | LOL |
| 01:50.29 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Sounds like you're having fun. |
| 01:50.43 | goozbach | looks like somewhere near 490 connections/second on our mod_perl server |
| 01:50.47 | fozzmoo | nice. |
| 01:51.08 | goozbach | that's without mason caching, or mason static-source-mode |
| 01:52.09 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it's nearly 10 |
| 01:54.03 | goozbach | those of you who aren |
| 01:54.26 | goozbach | those of you who aren't currently reading this comic need to repent, go and read it from the beginning. http://www.basicinstructions.net |
| 01:58.48 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I hate Java. |
| 01:58.54 | fozzmoo | Did I just say that? |
| 01:58.56 | Sargun | I dislike java. |
| 01:59.06 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Hate is a very strong word. |
| 01:59.08 | fozzmoo | Thank you Sargun for restating that in more polite terms. |
| 01:59.38 | fozzmoo | I dislike Java, but much of my dislike comes from a lack of knowledge of how to tune things like Tomcat and JBoss. |
| 02:00.16 | Sargun | Tunable Tomcat, and Jubilant Jboss |
| 02:00.34 | fozzmoo | goozbach: what kind of hardware are you getting 490 connections/sec w/? |
| 02:02.31 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Too bad your blog only gets .005 visitors/sec. :) |
| 02:03.03 | Sargun | fozzmoo, this isn't my production blog |
| 02:03.06 | goozbach | Sargun: I doubt very much 3500 connections/second on one laptop |
| 02:03.09 | Sargun | this is something I wrote for fun. |
| 02:03.27 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Of course it didn't follow the HTTP spec completely :-X |
| 02:03.33 | goozbach | you start running out of file handles much before that |
| 02:03.52 | Sargun | that's what ab2 said.. |
| 02:04.13 | goozbach | there's your problem apache bench is broken |
| 02:04.17 | goozbach | try siege |
| 02:04.46 | goozbach | fozzmoo: what brought about this java comment? |
| 02:04.48 | Sargun | let me find the utility |
| 02:05.04 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Just because KnowledgeBlue hosts a bunch of Java apps on our servers. |
| 02:05.21 | fozzmoo | I would hate to have to tune the performance aside from just throwing more RAM and/or processors at them. |
| 02:05.35 | goozbach | and run the test on a separate machine, attacking your laptop across the network |
| 02:05.50 | goozbach | network IO is an important part of performance testing |
| 02:06.00 | goozbach | loopback testing is NOT performance testing. |
| 02:06.03 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 02:06.20 | fozzmoo | Well, it is... but it's not meaningful. :) |
| 02:06.29 | Sargun | hehe |
| 02:06.38 | goozbach | "my car can rev up to 8k RPM in IDLE!" |
| 02:07.23 | Sargun | won't that redline? |
| 02:07.37 | fozzmoo | goozbach: So what kind of hardware you playing with ? |
| 02:07.46 | goozbach | Poweredge 1950 II |
| 02:07.52 | fozzmoo | Oh yeah? |
| 02:07.54 | goozbach | 8 gig ECC ram |
| 02:07.55 | fozzmoo | what kind of CPUs? |
| 02:08.08 | goozbach | 2-Quad core Xeon 3.0ghz |
| 02:08.23 | fozzmoo | Nice. |
| 02:08.31 | Sargun | tasty |
| 02:08.44 | fozzmoo | 15K SAS drives or a SAN? |
| 02:08.46 | goozbach | just got to 480/second |
| 02:09.00 | goozbach | 5k SATA III |
| 02:09.07 | Sargun | 5.4k? |
| 02:09.09 | goozbach | but they're not doing anything important |
| 02:09.11 | fozzmoo | SATA III? |
| 02:09.16 | goozbach | SATA II |
| 02:09.20 | goozbach | one to many I's |
| 02:09.26 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 02:09.30 | Sargun | ah, I was afraid that goozbach had invented a time machine :-X |
| 02:09.38 | goozbach | the files reside on a Net |
| 02:09.40 | fozzmoo | So, the mod_perl apps aren't data intensive, I hate it? |
| 02:09.49 | fozzmoo | s/hate/take/ |
| 02:09.50 | goozbach | on a NetAPP filer |
| 02:10.06 | goozbach | accessed via NFS |
| 02:10.23 | goozbach | they are quite data intensive |
| 02:10.24 | fozzmoo | There's got to be a freudian explanation why I inserted the word "hate" |
| 02:10.44 | Sargun | fozzmoo, you are becoming an ultraviolent? |
| 02:11.02 | goozbach | all pages are built from scratch using Mason |
| 02:11.09 | fozzmoo | One of the reasons I'm in my dark office right now is because my kids were getting on my nerves and I was yelling. |
| 02:11.15 | fozzmoo | goozbach: What do you think of Mason? |
| 02:11.24 | goozbach | data is in a mysql 5.0 database |
| 02:11.28 | fozzmoo | ewww |
| 02:11.29 | goozbach | with a master-master setup |
| 02:11.32 | fozzmoo | nice |
| 02:11.47 | Sargun | why did you use MySQL over PG? |
| 02:11.53 | goozbach | I'm not happy about the database, but it's now IMPOSSIBLE to switch it for Postgres |
| 02:11.59 | goozbach | Sargun: it's incumbent |
| 02:12.06 | goozbach | it's what the developers know |
| 02:12.15 | goozbach | the database servers are NICE |
| 02:12.33 | goozbach | poweredge 2950's with 2 quad-core 3.0s as well |
| 02:12.41 | goozbach | and 8G RAM a piece as well |
| 02:13.07 | goozbach | the downside to the database servers is the mysql tables are currently on the same NETAPP filer. |
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| 02:13.18 | goozbach | so we've got TWO copies of our database on our san |
| 02:13.20 | goozbach | not fun |
| 02:13.27 | goozbach | and the write performance isn't great |
| 02:13.51 | fozzmoo | ugh. that sucks. |
| 02:14.09 | goozbach | I'm going to be changing that soon however, we're gonna put the two master servers' mysql data store on a RAID 1 md device |
| 02:14.20 | fozzmoo | There you go. |
| 02:14.23 | goozbach | and make a slave store the data on the netapp |
| 02:14.40 | goozbach | so we can do the fancy netapp tricks (clones, snapshots, etc) |
| 02:14.49 | goozbach | we use that stuff for devel/testing. |
| 02:14.56 | fozzmoo | Yeah- we're looking at some EMC FC arrays for those kinds of features. |
| 02:17.44 | goozbach | Netapp is MUCHO cheaper than EMC |
| 02:17.52 | goozbach | and IMNSHO better |
| 02:18.07 | goozbach | that's not to say that they're cheap |
| 02:18.09 | fozzmoo | My bosses wanna have Dell's babies. |
| 02:18.20 | goozbach | prepare to soil your britches when you look at the price. |
| 02:18.47 | fozzmoo | The EMC system we're looking at is between $63k and $85k |
| 02:19.38 | fozzmoo | That would provide direct attached (FC) storage across 15 drives for 4 VMWare servers. |
| 02:19.47 | goozbach | so I need a good site for free or nearly free moveble type templates |
| 02:19.51 | fozzmoo | with expandability to several chassis. :) |
| 02:19.57 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Me too. |
| 02:19.58 | fozzmoo | :)\ |
| 02:20.07 | goozbach | my wife wants to use blogspot instead of the movable type blog I set up for her :( |
| 02:20.14 | fozzmoo | awh. |
| 02:20.25 | fozzmoo | Betrayal! |
| 02:20.30 | goozbach | no kidding |
| 02:25.19 | fozzmoo | goozbach: When you gonna be back in UT again? |
| 02:29.18 | goozbach | fozzmoo: probally not till August |
| 02:29.23 | goozbach | for a baby blessing |
| 02:29.35 | fozzmoo | What about UTOSC? :) |
| 02:29.43 | fozzmoo | Think you can make it for that? |
| 02:30.45 | goozbach | I'm not sure |
| 02:30.48 | goozbach | I'm going to try |
| 02:32.40 | goozbach | yay! somewhere about 480 connections/sec |
| 02:33.53 | Sargun | goozbach, Did she try wordpress? |
| 02:34.15 | goozbach | Sargun: you missed the entire point. |
| 02:34.44 | goozbach | *I* set up a movable type blog on *MY* server *FOR HER* |
| 02:35.12 | goozbach | and she wants to use blogspot. Cause "Thats what everyone else is using" |
| 02:35.28 | goozbach | it's not a wordpress vs movable type debate. |
| 02:35.56 | goozbach | it's a "here honey, look what I setup for you" -- "I don't like it, I want to use <other thing>" |
| 02:36.10 | Sargun | Yeah, I know the point. |
| 02:36.24 | Sargun | but she sees all the cool blogs use Blogspot & wordpress |
| 02:36.37 | Sargun | and blogspot has a nice little blog search service |
| 02:36.56 | goozbach | nevermind |
| 02:37.10 | Sargun | goozbach, Why would you use an inferior solution, even if it was setup with love, and kisses? |
| 02:37.28 | goozbach | inferior? |
| 02:37.34 | goozbach | MT > wordpress |
| 02:37.48 | goozbach | she just doesn't know it yet |
| 02:37.58 | Sargun | MT on goozbach's server vs. Blogspot's software on blogspot's server |
| 02:39.23 | goozbach | All our data on one single, easily backed up, wholly owned place, vs. personal data on a "service" which may or may not be around tomorrow. |
| 02:40.06 | goozbach | not that I don't thing blogspot is going away, I just prefer that my personal data isn't on some third-party solution. |
| 02:41.06 | goozbach | besides, it's also a "here's what I'm using, I want to let you be a part of this little slice of my life" |
| 02:41.15 | goozbach | thing as well |
| 02:42.07 | Sargun | NAT-PT? |
| 02:42.08 | Sargun | er |
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| 03:37.25 | levi | Hi, elg. |
| 03:50.06 | elg | howdy |
| 03:52.49 | Sargun | ~lart elg |
| 03:52.49 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking elg's head off |
| 03:53.21 | levi | How come? |
| 03:54.03 | levi | I guess getting it DRM-free would be better, but iTMS is so convenient. |
| 03:56.16 | elg | yeah, iTMS is great until you want to play it on e.g. a linux box |
| 03:56.19 | elg | or my mp3 player |
| 03:56.30 | elg | plus I de-drm things as a matter of principle |
| 03:57.46 | levi | I never play music from Linux these days, and my mp3 player is an iPod, so iTMS remains convenient. :) |
| 03:58.39 | elg | and the process changes every time I need to do it |
| 03:58.55 | elg | unless of course you like messing around with burning cds just to de-drm :) |
| 03:59.04 | levi | I never even figured out how to de-drm iTMS tracks in the first place. |
| 03:59.07 | elg | I found a pretty promising long-term solution this time though. |
| 03:59.22 | elg | you drag the track into iMovie as a soundtrack |
| 03:59.30 | elg | then you export just the audio to aiff |
| 03:59.41 | levi | I switched my iTMS preferences to iTMS-Plus or whatever it is that's high-bitrate and drm-free. |
| 04:00.25 | elg | where? |
| 04:03.27 | levi | I don't remember. Somewhere in iTunes. |
| 04:07.25 | elg | haven't seen it. maybe I'll dig sometime |
| 04:11.14 | levi | Hmm, maybe it disappeared, I can't find it anywhere. |
| 04:11.32 | levi | But look for an iTunes Plus option when you're shopping there. |
| 04:12.28 | levi | I should have started this project before tonight. :( |
| 04:14.25 | elg | i should have started this dulce a bit more before bedtime |
| 04:14.32 | findlay | who cares about itunes when you can buy directly from Deutsche Grammophon? |
| 04:14.46 | findlay | eliminate the DRMming middle man |
| 04:15.13 | levi | Well, my musical taste is a bit broader than yours, apparently, since Deutsche Grammophon doesn't have everything I want. |
| 04:15.30 | findlay | probably |
| 04:15.44 | levi | I'm listening to the Chemical Brothers right now. |
| 04:16.07 | elg | i'm listening to an awesome little guitar track by some linux audio musician |
| 04:16.16 | elg | I should figure out who and see if he has any more music |
| 04:19.11 | levi | I have some coworkers that are incredible guitar players. |
| 04:19.26 | levi | I, on the other hand, suck beyond belief. |
| 04:19.37 | levi | But my guitar looks pretty sitting on its stand. ;) |
| 04:19.38 | findlay | you don't believe them? They |
| 04:19.42 | findlay | 're that incredible? |
| 04:20.26 | findlay | I can pluck an infinite scale on a guitar |
| 04:20.43 | levi | Not impressive. |
| 04:20.49 | findlay | :( |
| 04:21.06 | findlay | it shows I have a knowledge of compactification |
| 04:21.23 | findlay | and Hilbert space |
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| 04:21.38 | levi | Wake me up when you can play some rockin' guitar solos. |
| 04:21.56 | findlay | what's not to rock about Hilbert space? |
| 04:22.13 | findlay | the guy was a mathematical guru! |
| 04:22.35 | levi | Mathematical guru != guitar guru |
| 04:23.32 | findlay | levi: one day you'll realize that not all coolness must needs relate to the guitar somehow and in that day you will find that math may be OK |
| 04:24.24 | levi | If you are under the impression that I believe all coolness relates to the guitar, you are horribly mistaken. |
| 04:24.35 | findlay | man, I feel delerious. This is not a good day to have takin away an hour |
| 04:24.49 | levi | However, coolness of guitar playing certainly must relate to the guitar. |
| 04:25.04 | findlay | hm, I think I understand that |
| 04:25.50 | findlay | viva la guitar? |
| 04:28.00 | levi | The guitar is a very versatile instrument, and even more so in its electric incarnation. |
| 04:28.09 | findlay | interesting |
| 04:28.18 | levi | The electric guitar market is a total scam, though. |
| 04:28.24 | findlay | why? |
| 04:29.00 | levi | Everything is extremely low-tech, because that's the 'authentic' way to do it. |
| 04:29.16 | findlay | but why does that insinuate scamminess? |
| 04:30.15 | levi | Because a guitar that costs <$100 to make can cost >$6k or so because it's built just like one a famous guy played. |
| 04:30.37 | Sargun | huh |
| 04:31.18 | levi | Gibson and Fender practically print money. |
| 04:32.32 | findlay | those are some of the only guitars that appreciate in value |
| 04:32.49 | levi | There's no real R&D, because everyone wants one EXACTLY LIKE the old ones. |
| 04:33.06 | findlay | if you want a good guitar buy one handmade by a genuine luthier |
| 04:33.36 | levi | I'll never be good enough to need one. |
| 04:34.08 | findlay | levi: and I doubt that a $6000 Gibson is going to cost $100 to make, well unless they really are scamming :) |
| 04:34.53 | levi | findlay: Well, they may cost a bit more just because they make the expensive ones here instead of in Mexico or China. |
| 04:34.58 | findlay | machine making their guitars or otherwise cheapening the process will significantly degrade the quality of the instrument |
| 04:35.20 | levi | I'm not sure you understand how electric guitars work. |
| 04:35.25 | findlay | oh |
| 04:35.38 | findlay | elecrtic, well, that's way different :) |
| 04:36.09 | levi | A solid-body electric guitar is a hunk of wood with some cheap electronics and some strings. |
| 04:36.59 | findlay | levi: but I think you will find that a good luthier will be constantly trying to improve his craft. Like many skills in life, it's a continual process of improvement |
| 04:37.09 | levi | I'm sure acoustic guitars take some skill to put together well, and that the skill makes a difference in the end. |
| 04:37.11 | findlay | electric guitars are a different story though |
| 04:37.36 | findlay | you still need precision frets |
| 04:38.24 | findlay | and just making a fingerboard by machine doesn't guarantee precision |
| 04:39.03 | levi | Right, but you can simply examine the guitars coming off the line and sell the good ones for $6k and the not-so-good ones for $150. |
| 04:39.31 | Sargun | findlay, My guess is you play? |
| 04:39.34 | findlay | sounds kind of accidental |
| 04:39.59 | levi | I'm just saying there's a huge profit margin. |
| 04:40.05 | findlay | like they don't have a very precise manufacturing process, or I'm quite oversimplifying |
| 04:40.10 | levi | I don't really know the details of their construction. |
| 04:40.19 | findlay | levi: and I'm trying to find something to debate about :) |
| 04:40.40 | findlay | Sargun: I play stuff, like now I'm playing a game of tetris |
| 04:41.05 | levi | findlay: Go to Guitar Center sometime and see if you can tell the difference between a $150 Stratocaster and a >$1k one. |
| 04:41.23 | findlay | levi: can you? :) |
| 04:41.24 | Sargun | findlay, do you play piano? |
| 04:41.46 | findlay | Sargun: yeah, that's easy. You push the keys down and it makes a sound |
| 04:42.12 | levi | findlay: If you put the two of them in front of me and obscured the markings on the head, I'd be hard pressed to tell you which was which. |
| 04:42.24 | levi | I imagine people familiar with them could, though. |
| 04:42.51 | levi | And I imagine there is a real quality difference in the fretboard or something. |
| 04:42.52 | findlay | Sargun: just read through the first few preludes of Das Wohltemperirte Clavier. It's pretty easy |
| 04:44.56 | findlay | levi: well, one of the important quality parts of a guitar is the fretboard because if it's not made with a very small tolerance your instrument will be permanently out of tune no matter what you do |
| 05:35.43 | elg | mmmmmm |
| 05:35.53 | elg | that dulce de leche is too good to throw away even though I burned it |
| 05:36.14 | elg | more importantly, the experiment is a success |
| 05:36.50 | Tene | Okay, what's the deal with the "take the oreo apart before eating it" thing? |
| 05:37.02 | fozzmoo | thing? |
| 05:37.08 | elg | see, oreos are thinly disguised dirt |
| 05:37.30 | fozzmoo | I've noticed small children (and myself) like to scrape the frosting inside off with their teeth. |
| 05:37.39 | elg | if you don't play with your food and "introduce" more dirt, you will be shocked |
| 05:37.47 | elg | that it tastes like dirt |
| 05:38.06 | elg | so anyone who's still eating oreos has this self-deceiving behavior |
| 05:38.06 | Tene | fozzmoo: almost every time I see oreos mentioned anywhere, there's a "Oh, and you have to take them apart to eat them" addendum. |
| 05:38.38 | Tene | http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/strips/aglite274.jpg for example |
| 05:38.47 | fozzmoo | That will kill me, you know. |
| 05:40.52 | findlay | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-03/danl-loa030708.php |
| 05:40.53 | brac | [Language of a fly proves surprising] |
| 05:43.42 | findlay | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-03/nsfc-wrn030708.php |
| 05:43.43 | brac | [WMAP reveals neutrinos, end of dark ages, first second of universe] |
| 05:43.47 | findlay | yeah |
| 05:43.52 | findlay | two cool URL's for me |
| 05:45.25 | findlay | oh sure, right when I'm hot with the URL's |
| 05:45.57 | Supaplex | yup. |
| 05:46.16 | findlay | don't even think of all that time I sifted painstakingly through my thousands of RSSes to find them |
| 05:47.55 | Supaplex | that's what /lastlog is for. nite :P (/detached) |
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| 06:39.57 | findlay | but I was merely obliquely characterizing my RSS dissipations |
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| 09:15.25 | Tene | http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi |
| 09:17.03 | lakshmi | hey tene ! |
| 09:17.16 | Tene | hey |
| 09:17.19 | lakshmi | sup? |
| 09:17.47 | Tene | nm |
| 09:18.29 | lakshmi | where are you teaching this week? |
| 09:19.19 | Tene | not teaching this week or next week |
| 09:19.33 | lakshmi | ooh lucky |
| 09:19.39 | lakshmi | whatcha doing with your time off? |
| 09:19.48 | Tene | relaxing, working on parrot |
| 09:20.10 | lakshmi | parrot is? |
| 09:20.24 | Tene | ibot_: parrot |
| 09:20.31 | Tene | ~parrot |
| 09:20.32 | ibot | it has been said that parrot is the image displayed from the ipaq's default bootloader see http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoadingFromCF, or http://www.lobstertech.com/code/phoneparrot/, or a floating combat text addon for WoW |
| 09:20.43 | Sargun | the compiler |
| 09:23.27 | lakshmi | oh hey ibot_ works! |
| 09:27.39 | Tene | ~lart lakshmi |
| 09:27.39 | ibot | blasts lakshmi with a huge firehose then strangles lakshmi with it |
| 09:27.58 | Tene | ~no, parrot is http://parrotcode.org/ |
| 09:28.00 | lakshmi | ~lart tene |
| 09:28.00 | ibot | squishes tene like a bug |
| 09:28.07 | Tene | ~parrot |
| 09:28.07 | ibot | [parrot] the image displayed from the ipaq's default bootloader see http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoadingFromCF, or http://www.lobstertech.com/code/phoneparrot/, or a floating combat text addon for WoW |
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| 13:27.47 | Supaplex | hea migs :) |
| 13:28.58 | ^Migs^ | hey Supaplex, how's it going? |
| 13:29.52 | Supaplex | not too bad. even for that double whammy known as monday, morning. :p |
| 13:30.09 | Supaplex | &U? |
| 13:42.09 | ^Migs^ | blegh |
| 13:42.16 | ^Migs^ | WebLogic giving me problems, as usual |
| 13:42.36 | ^Migs^ | at least I'm done with that lame Lansa developer training |
| 13:43.35 | Supaplex | :) |
| 13:50.44 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/shroud_of_turin_accidentally |
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| 14:01.30 | ^Migs^ | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080309-dropping-22tb-of-patches-on-6500-pcs-in-4-hours-bittorrentdropping-22tb-of-patches-on-6500-pcs-in-4-hours-bittorrent.html |
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| 14:32.36 | elg | anyone here have an msn or hotmail address? |
| 14:33.28 | elg | ~onjoin redbeard2 ¡cajeta! |
| 14:33.28 | ibot | ok, elg |
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| 14:40.48 | Supaplex | elg: only for work (for msnim -> pidgin ) |
| 14:41.00 | elg | well, I mean email address |
| 14:41.58 | Supaplex | sure, it has an email address |
| 14:45.12 | elg | can you check something for me? |
| 14:45.29 | elg | two test emails |
| 14:47.05 | Supaplex | sure |
| 14:48.50 | elg | what's your email? |
| 14:49.31 | Supaplex | get my /msg ? |
| 14:49.36 | elg | ya |
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| 15:22.33 | elg | ~snore |
| 15:22.34 | ibot | ACTION snores everyones ears off |
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| 15:29.03 | goozbach | any ideas on how to discover peak usage of an apache web server? |
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| 15:29.25 | goozbach | cajeta?! |
| 15:29.28 | goozbach | donde? |
| 15:29.44 | goozbach | yo quero |
| 15:30.08 | goozbach | s/quero/quiero/ |
| 15:30.58 | goozbach | ~piña |
| 15:34.07 | elg | redbeard2: I made some cajeta sauce last night that was so good I couldn't throw it away even though it's burnt |
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| 15:34.40 | elg | it was easy. anyone want to test the recipe tonight? |
| 15:34.46 | elg | or right now... |
| 15:35.22 | sontek | if you tell me a restaurant that serves it, i'll go order it ;) |
| 15:35.35 | elg | sure, there's lots of restaurants in argentina |
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| 15:40.41 | Supaplex | ~lart hotmail |
| 15:40.41 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, hotmail, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 15:41.03 | Supaplex | fungus: hey there :) |
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| 15:50.03 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/cajeta.txt |
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| 15:59.14 | Supaplex | intersting, elg |
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| 16:26.24 | goozbach | pashdown: seen this? http://www.wtvq.com/content/midatlantic/tvq/video.apx.-content-articles-TVQ-2008-03-05-0011.html |
| 16:32.05 | elg | "Representative Couch says he filed the bill in hopes of cutting down on online bullying." |
| 16:32.06 | elg | hahaha |
| 16:32.16 | elg | let's cut down on bullying by bullying |
| 16:33.11 | elg | "Represntative Couch says enforcing this bill if it became law would be a challenge." |
| 16:33.21 | elg | uh, yeah. like you'd just automatically fine everybody |
| 16:36.41 | goozbach | that's bad news for slashdot |
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| 16:44.36 | tensai | anybody have a link to the actual bill? I'm not finding it. |
| 16:49.44 | Supaplex | my govtrack.us fu is weak. the bill# might help :) |
| 16:56.09 | encryptz | rms for president, eh? i don't know if that would be a good idea or not |
| 16:56.31 | encryptz | (noticing RedHeron's quit message) |
| 16:56.49 | RedHeron | Heh. |
| 16:57.17 | RedHeron | It's mostly there to stoke thought about whom we're electing or not, and why. |
| 16:57.18 | elg | i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be. :) |
| 16:57.22 | elg | but he's unelectable anyway |
| 16:57.35 | encryptz | why's that? |
| 16:57.41 | encryptz | not born in the US? |
| 16:58.12 | RedHeron | And inexperienced, too. No Congressional track record. And can't be trusted, I mean: have you seen his beard? |
| 16:58.14 | elg | if his views were mainstream, his geekiness *might* not get in the way |
| 16:58.27 | elg | if he looked like jonny bravo his views *might* not get in the way |
| 16:58.28 | elg | as it is... |
| 16:58.49 | tensai | he's also a professed athiest and polls have shown that americans are unwilling to consider a non-religious person for president |
| 16:59.01 | elg | we could go on and on |
| 16:59.12 | RedHeron | Like I said... it's mostly to provoke thought. |
| 16:59.33 | encryptz | i figured there was something getting in the way, like national origin, age, or something else |
| 16:59.38 | RedHeron | Not to mention, I wouldn't think he'd *want* to be president. |
| 16:59.40 | encryptz | but it sounds like it's possible then |
| 16:59.46 | Supaplex | you just wanted to spur the mailing list with more heated debates ;) |
| 16:59.54 | RedHeron | Heh. |
| 17:00.01 | tensai | encryptz: technically speaking I believe it's possible |
| 17:01.13 | tensai | Supaplex: I know. I wish news reports about bills would always include the actual bill number. I mean how hard is saying "HR 137" for example? |
| 17:01.35 | elg | 6 syllables |
| 17:01.38 | elg | 6 characters |
| 17:02.01 | encryptz | i count 5 syllables. :) |
| 17:02.04 | Supaplex | indeed. they should be chided |
| 17:02.33 | elg | actually I count 7 if you say one thirty seven |
| 17:02.33 | tensai | ~chide news reporters |
| 17:02.44 | tensai | I count 7 as well |
| 17:03.00 | encryptz | ah. heh |
| 17:03.07 | encryptz | i guess seven is two |
| 17:03.26 | encryptz | ~blame rms |
| 17:03.27 | ibot | ACTION blames rms (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 17:04.06 | Supaplex | encryptz: that makes your orig 5 a 6, thrity is also two |
| 17:04.28 | encryptz | i *could* make it 5 |
| 17:04.41 | elg | one thir-sev |
| 17:04.42 | encryptz | "her one three seven" |
| 17:04.44 | Supaplex | well, if they say it 1 3 7 |
| 17:04.59 | brasto | i have the firebug for IE running on a web page. I need to do the javascript equivalent of php's var_dump. toString didn't work. Any recommendations? |
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| 17:08.31 | encryptz | -markov |
| 17:08.31 | brac | insufficient "markov" auth (have 10, need 12) |
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| 17:12.20 | tensai | -chat about encryptz |
| 17:12.20 | brac | encryptz was |
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| 17:14.09 | encryptz | the . is in the wrong spot |
| 17:14.33 | Supaplex | what's the correct way? |
| 17:14.59 | encryptz | sure. make me exercise my unicode... |
| 17:15.09 | Supaplex | >:) |
| 17:17.15 | encryptz | i guess · would be closer |
| 17:17.53 | encryptz | u00B7 that is |
| 17:19.36 | encryptz | can't seem to find a . at the top, other than ° |
| 17:20.04 | encryptz | which is u00B0 |
| 17:20.41 | Supaplex | which looks like degree |
| 17:20.51 | encryptz | yeah |
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| 17:28.42 | tensai | -chat about elg |
| 17:28.42 | brac | elg had it at all? |
| 17:28.51 | elg | i did |
| 17:29.00 | tensai | and he sold it all for a bag of magic beans |
| 17:33.39 | RedHeron | Which he lost, but then they grew into a giant beanstalk, and he came back the next day, found it, and climbed into a magical land with unicorns and a harp. |
| 17:37.30 | Supaplex | humm.. intersting. guess what patch and perl have in common? |
| 17:37.46 | encryptz | they both start with a p? |
| 17:38.20 | Sargun | they both deal with non-human readable formats? |
| 17:38.29 | encryptz | they're both complicated as hell? |
| 17:38.49 | Supaplex | encryptz: that's your warmest guess so far :) |
| 17:38.57 | encryptz | heh |
| 17:39.20 | Supaplex | man patch, see AUTHORS |
| 17:51.58 | tensai | this is why I don't buy candy. if I have it, I have to eat it. |
| 17:52.17 | elg | you have candy? |
| 17:57.28 | tensai | elg: had |
| 18:01.09 | nearn | who-what candy? |
| 18:28.12 | Tene | Supaplex: you could just use ¡ instead of . |
| 18:29.31 | goozbach | gots to love icanhascheeezburger |
| 18:29.45 | Supaplex | good idea Tene |
| 18:37.06 | RedHeron | Someone mention candy? |
| 18:43.09 | Sargun | Mhmm, candy. |
| 18:46.02 | Supaplex | ~seen candy |
| 18:46.04 | ibot | candy <n=man@201.59.13.50> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 62d 21h 47m 23s ago, saying: 'my name is candy candy candy candy i love me some candy so say hi to candy and flirt with me o 5292'. |
| 18:46.08 | sontek | I lost my treo data cable >:| |
| 18:46.26 | herlo | sontek: you can buy one at fry's for $15 |
| 18:46.40 | sontek | herlo: pick me up one while you are in a Fry's accessible area |
| 18:50.02 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-zomg-run-cat-woman-screams.jpg |
| 18:50.14 | herlo | sontek: I am near one, but I need prepayment of $100 |
| 18:51.57 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHA http://dumpedimage.com/?image=843 |
| 18:53.35 | sontek | herlo: I'd like to start a tab, thanks! |
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| 18:55.11 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-tmi-hippo-splatter-zone.jpg |
| 18:55.44 | Supaplex | they're also LOOOONNNG *grr* |
| 18:55.47 | beandog | crazy .... crazy for links |
| 19:05.31 | Sargun | /exec -o ls |
| 19:10.08 | sontek | do any of you feel naked without your laptop? |
| 19:10.21 | sontek | I'm sitting here thinking I should drive home and get it :P |
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| 19:10.28 | Supaplex | I dun wear my laptop |
| 19:10.33 | Supaplex | so, no. :P |
| 19:10.42 | sontek | Supaplex: weirdo. |
| 19:10.54 | sontek | My laptop is an important part of me! |
| 19:14.17 | Supaplex | ahh whew. tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/8941/environ | grep ^ARCH |
| 19:18.29 | tensai | Supaplex: that's just what I was thinking |
| 19:23.06 | Supaplex | linux-2.6.25-rc3-mm1 actually compiled. nice. time for some fun |
| 19:23.50 | Sargun | !kernel |
| 19:23.56 | Sargun | sontek, You should. |
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| 19:37.33 | ^Migs^ | I always keep my laptop with me, so I never have that problem |
| 20:02.49 | Supaplex | sontek can has laptop? |
| 20:09.05 | ^Migs^ | where'd my laptop go? |
| 20:11.03 | Supaplex | OTD apparently |
| 20:22.18 | beandog | how do you see what network services are running on a box on what port |
| 20:22.20 | beandog | I can never remember. |
| 20:22.24 | beandog | netstat something or other. |
| 20:22.38 | beandog | I'm trying to figure out what port webmin is on |
| 20:22.42 | beandog | I guess I could look at the config files. |
| 20:23.11 | goozbach | umm cajeta! |
| 20:23.34 | beandog | okay that was too simple. |
| 20:23.35 | beandog | -_- |
| 20:24.03 | sontek | I want laptop :( |
| 20:24.29 | Supaplex | if it's running, netstat -tuanp might be what your after. or the right invocation of lsof |
| 20:27.22 | Tene | lsof -i |
| 20:29.13 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | Are you going to eat that? |
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| 20:48.25 | Sargun | Tene, isn't that as good as ss |
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| 20:55.06 | goozbach | that is right! Cajeta! |
| 20:55.08 | goozbach | yummy! |
| 20:55.10 | Sargun | CAJETA |
| 20:55.12 | goozbach | sabroso! |
| 20:55.27 | Sargun | muy sabroso? |
| 20:55.35 | Sargun | wait, wouldn't that be sabrosa? |
| 20:55.40 | goozbach | muy muy sabrosa |
| 20:55.44 | goozbach | whatever |
| 20:58.24 | sontek | so you guys ever changed a user to have id/gid of '0'? :P |
| 20:58.44 | sontek | they login and it changes them to root |
| 20:59.08 | ^Migs^ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080310/ap_on_fe_st/odd_mexico_half_ton_man;_ylt=AuTM0ME7klFzM5yPYTnu.poZ.3QA |
| 21:02.08 | goozbach | sontek: I've got "admin" users which have the id of 0 |
| 21:02.21 | goozbach | I've also used it to make myself back doors in certian systems |
| 21:02.54 | Sargun | root2 |
| 21:03.37 | sontek | goozbach: never thought about it before :P It was an interesting effect |
| 21:04.45 | goozbach | useradd -u 0 -r -g root duder |
| 21:04.59 | goozbach | you might also need a -o in there |
| 21:05.06 | goozbach | useradd -u 0 -r -o -g root duder |
| 21:05.12 | goozbach | passwd duder |
| 21:05.21 | Sargun | There was a solaris book that I read that recommended doing this |
| 21:05.24 | goozbach | it's essentially a root account with a different password |
| 21:05.40 | Sargun | goozbach, Some (stupid) apps won't work |
| 21:05.53 | goozbach | because the password is indexed by username in /etc/shadow |
| 21:06.18 | sjansen | Sadly, some programs incorrectly check username instead of uid, so it's only really useful as a backdoor to restore the root account if it breaks. |
| 21:06.23 | goozbach | Sargun: if they do things properly (eg what's the UID vs what's the username) they wil work |
| 21:06.40 | Sargun | and SELinux can break things |
| 21:07.15 | elg | that *is* what selinux is good at |
| 21:07.48 | Sargun | http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2008/022408-selinux.html |
| 21:07.49 | brac | [A seatbelt for server software: SELinux blocks real-world exploits - LinuxWorld] |
| 21:08.39 | elg | i don't love, hate, or fear it |
| 21:08.41 | elg | I only mock it |
| 21:09.03 | elg | it's never actually bitten me personally. |
| 21:09.22 | elg | I just see it bite enough people to know it's a good thing to mock |
| 21:09.24 | goozbach | but elg selinux is AWESOME |
| 21:10.03 | elg | not as awesome as cajeta |
| 21:10.17 | sjansen | Do you mock Unix file permission because they bite people? |
| 21:10.41 | goozbach | do you mock rotwiellers because they bite people? |
| 21:11.02 | elg | no, it's more funny to mock people because they bite unix permissions |
| 21:11.23 | sjansen | If you want something to mock, mock Sun for insisting on bundling their jdk in a shell script that automatically installs a bunch of RPMs I don't want. |
| 21:11.46 | sjansen | Geez, and now they launch a registration app. |
| 21:11.47 | elg | no, see, that's bordering on deserving rock-throwing |
| 21:11.54 | sjansen | Sun------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 21:12.42 | sjansen | ~nuke Sun |
| 21:12.43 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Sun ... B☢☢M! |
| 21:15.47 | Sargun | F9? |
| 21:15.55 | elg | it's between F8 and F10 |
| 21:15.57 | Tene | Fedora 9 |
| 21:16.58 | sjansen | There's all kinds of sweet stuff going into F9. Probably won't be a very stable release. But it'll be sweet. |
| 21:18.46 | Sargun | oh |
| 21:18.51 | Sargun | An RPM distro. |
| 21:18.56 | Sargun | I'm not using an RPM distro |
| 21:19.05 | elg | then your teeth will rot |
| 21:19.23 | sjansen | Sargun: I'm sorry. Does it hurt much? |
| 21:19.41 | sjansen | I'll try not to think less of you. |
| 21:20.06 | sjansen | Nope. Sorry. Failed. |
| 21:20.22 | elg | amazing |
| 21:22.23 | sargun_screen | (He does) |
| 21:25.56 | tensai | elg: have you ever rendered lard before? seems like something you'd try. |
| 21:26.10 | elg | sure, I've made bacon |
| 21:26.27 | elg | i've rendered tallow, but lard is so cheaply available there's no point |
| 21:26.41 | tensai | can you get good lard? |
| 21:27.15 | tensai | I've started filtering and saving my bacon fat. mmm, that's good stuff. |
| 21:27.17 | elg | are you implying the lard sold isn't good? |
| 21:27.26 | tensai | the stuff around here sure ain't |
| 21:27.38 | elg | i've never been very discriminating when it comes to lard |
| 21:27.38 | tensai | hydrogenated and tastes like butt |
| 21:28.37 | tensai | elg: what source of fat did you use to make tallow? |
| 21:28.48 | elg | i went to the butcher and asked for fat |
| 21:29.37 | tensai | did they look at you strange? |
| 21:29.46 | tensai | stranger than most people do, that is |
| 21:29.58 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2008/02/14/rendering-tallow |
| 21:30.21 | tensai | you blogged about it that recently and I've forgotten already? |
| 21:30.39 | elg | the meat counter lady did for a second, but when she went and asked her boss he acted like it was completely normal, and he gets requests like that from time to time |
| 21:30.49 | elg | maybe you've been ignoring me. ;-) |
| 21:31.11 | sjansen | The word is repressing. |
| 21:31.31 | elg | help help i'm being repressed |
| 21:32.02 | elg | i don't really like the soap though |
| 21:32.18 | elg | even after the third rendering, there's a slight smell. no problem if you scent the soap |
| 21:32.18 | tensai | no I did read that one. but that was during your "10 posts a day" phase. |
| 21:32.29 | tensai | well, I plan to eat it so no big deal |
| 21:32.36 | elg | but I feel like it leaves my hair (which covers much of my body) tacky |
| 21:33.08 | RyanE | elg: tmi. |
| 21:33.10 | elg | cool |
| 21:35.34 | tensai | I called a butcher last week and asked for pork belly. they can't get me any. :'( |
| 21:35.58 | elg | their pigs don't have bellies? |
| 21:37.56 | Supaplex | elg: why sure. it's that reduced overhead breed |
| 21:38.16 | elg | are you tired of slicing your ton-ton open? |
| 21:38.30 | elg | now you can get bellyfree ton-tons! |
| 21:38.40 | elg | ready to climb into. no light saber required |
| 21:39.36 | tensai | elg: I'm not sure. I thought for sure they would have them. |
| 21:39.49 | tensai | I'm still a ways off from being set to make bacon, so I'm in no rush |
| 21:40.25 | elg | grow your own pig then |
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| 21:41.52 | tensai | believe me, I've considered it |
| 21:42.07 | tensai | I might try chickens this year if I can get away with it |
| 21:42.14 | RyanE | I've read that more and more, local butchers are getting pre-cut pieces, the pork bellies would've been pulled before it even got to the butcher. |
| 21:42.21 | sjansen | "Honey, I'm home. And guess what I brought with me!" |
| 21:42.29 | RyanE | my wife wants chickens. |
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| 21:45.49 | sontek | do any international airlines have power on their planes so I can last the full 18 hours with my lappy? :P |
| 21:46.52 | elg | you have room for a laptop when on a plane? are you flying first class? |
| 21:46.57 | elg | or just short? |
| 21:47.18 | elg | a paperback book or two, that's the ticket |
| 21:47.34 | goozbach | tensai: you need to go to a different butcher |
| 21:47.39 | Supaplex | that's why the 12" iBook rulez! |
| 21:47.45 | sjansen | sontek: You'll want to do research. Some have power in coach, others don't. Most have power in first, but adapters can vary. |
| 21:48.09 | elg | even a 12" iBook would need several batteries to last 18 hours |
| 21:48.19 | Supaplex | true dat |
| 21:48.49 | sjansen | Don't expect a 2 or 3 prong, it won't happen. You'll need an adapter, and probably converter since most use DC power. |
| 21:48.58 | Supaplex | just yell out "Anyone have a cigerate ligheter jack?" |
| 21:49.09 | tensai | goozbach: probably true. I haven't been searching in earnest yet. |
| 21:49.56 | tensai | Supaplex: let us know when you do that and we'll watch for you on the news |
| 21:50.03 | sontek | elg: I'm a wee little lad! ;) (i'm only 5'10, usually can fit a laptop) |
| 21:50.36 | sontek | haha, I'm sick of power adapters |
| 21:50.48 | sontek | I had to pick up a few to convert from us to australia |
| 21:51.20 | Supaplex | I bet the apple plug has different cords for the power brick |
| 21:51.46 | Supaplex | s/the apple plug /apple / |
| 21:52.15 | tensai | a little 220V never hurt anyone |
| 21:53.13 | sontek | yeah, well I only purchased the adapters, since my laptops say 100-240~ which I assume is dual and can handle 220 |
| 21:53.13 | sjansen | Actually, most modern laptop power supplies can handle both 110 and 220. |
| 21:53.24 | Supaplex | my power brick says it'll accept either |
| 21:54.07 | sontek | the only thing I was worried about was charging my treo, but I just ordered a usb cable off of amazon |
| 21:55.21 | nick125 | Most Treos can charge over the data cable, yeah. |
| 21:55.35 | sjansen | Will your Treo actually work? You must have a GSM model. |
| 21:55.57 | nick125 | My 755p charges over data cable |
| 21:56.22 | nick125 | My 700p also charged over data cable |
| 21:57.37 | herlo | sjansen: mine also charges over a data cable too |
| 21:57.56 | sontek | nick125: well the problem is most data cables don't have charge too (there are 3 sections to a treo, 2 for data, 1 for power) |
| 21:58.02 | sjansen | herlo: I'm talking about cell phone coverage, silly. |
| 21:58.03 | sontek | and around here in Utah they don't sell any that are linked |
| 21:59.03 | nick125 | sontek: You don't need the "power" section. |
| 21:59.29 | nick125 | I used the cable that came in the box with my 755p (which did not have a power plug on it) and it works fine for charging |
| 22:00.08 | sontek | I have a 650 |
| 22:00.12 | sontek | i'm old school! |
| 22:00.17 | nick125 | sontek: aah |
| 22:00.21 | sontek | I thought the 700's switched to usb by itself |
| 22:00.25 | nick125 | That sucks, what carrier? |
| 22:01.02 | sontek | tmobile |
| 22:01.22 | nick125 | Aah |
| 22:01.47 | herlo | sjansen: hehe, I just wanted to get a response |
| 22:01.49 | sontek | sjansen: yeah, I have GSM, i'm gonna get a prepaid card when I get there |
| 22:02.32 | nix_chix0r | Hellooo utaaaaaaaaah |
| 22:02.39 | herlo | ~lart nix_chix0r |
| 22:02.39 | ibot | offers nix_chix0r some herring |
| 22:02.44 | nix_chix0r | ew |
| 22:02.46 | sjansen | nix_chix0r: The cake is a lie. |
| 22:03.21 | nix_chix0r | cake |
| 22:06.02 | nix_chix0r | ?? |
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| 22:15.51 | findlay | ~cake sjansen |
| 22:16.02 | Supaplex | mmm cake. nom nom nom |
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| 22:18.00 | findlay | ~random |
| 22:18.07 | findlay | oooh |
| 22:18.21 | Supaplex | ~entertain findlay |
| 22:18.21 | ibot | ACTION shows findlay a 2 dimentional elephant while break dancing in 3d |
| 22:18.48 | findlay | -movieplot |
| 22:18.49 | brac | Summary: He's an immortal soccer-playing hairdresser fleeing from a secret government programme. She's a beautiful French-Canadian advertising executive with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime. |
| 22:19.21 | findlay | I'd sure pay $8 to see that |
| 22:19.43 | elg | lol |
| 22:23.12 | elg | the plot thickens |
| 22:23.24 | elg | the original msn.com email recipient is now receiving mails |
| 22:23.29 | elg | from plug |
| 22:23.43 | elg | but we cross-checked with supaplex |
| 22:23.45 | elg | who wasn't |
| 22:24.33 | Supaplex | checking junk folder... |
| 22:25.02 | Supaplex | nope. it's all 搜索引擎营销计划应该怎么制定 to me. |
| 22:25.37 | findlay | you have a junk folder? I don't. I only have a deal box where people are always sending me deals on stuff |
| 22:25.57 | findlay | btw, if you ever want a deal just ping me and I'll forward some of it to you |
| 22:27.01 | Supaplex | maybe after I mow some bills down :) |
| 22:27.17 | elg | your lawn is made of bills? |
| 22:27.27 | nick125 | ooh, where do you live? |
| 22:27.46 | Supaplex | I'm an earfling |
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| 22:49.28 | sjansen | kvm so ROCKS! |
| 22:49.37 | sjansen | kvm.qumranet.com |
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| 23:20.45 | sjansen | elg: So you're hearing voices again, huh? |
| 23:21.05 | elg | this one named sjansen is particularly persistent |
| 23:30.46 | sjansen | What the? When did it become later than 5pm? |
| 23:33.16 | beandog | about 31 minutes ago |
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