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| 00:53.05 | brac | bots should only use maybe 4MB or 5MB a month right off I-15 and 106th South and bangerter. how far has been |
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| 01:38.21 | mrpull-lt | i think i need a slingbox |
| 02:53.07 | findlay | hello |
| 02:55.47 | RedHeron | ICANN has internets? |
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| 03:18.01 | levi | Good evening. |
| 03:18.10 | findlay | good evening levi |
| 03:24.51 | levi | Wassup? |
| 03:27.09 | findlay | ugh |
| 03:27.19 | findlay | I have to write an essay about myself |
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| 03:27.36 | findlay | about how I'm set apart from other applicants, blah blah garbage |
| 03:28.24 | findlay | levi: what would you write? |
| 03:29.40 | findlay | "I'm a programmer with a propensity for genuine computer science. As for esoteric, strange, or funky languages, there is no keeping me away from them." |
| 03:30.50 | findlay | the BYU application form is seriously way too much busy work |
| 03:31.02 | levi | What kind of job are you applying for? |
| 03:31.33 | findlay | have to get approval from here, a recommendation from there, and submit your application at least 7 years before they'll even think about rejecting you, bub |
| 03:32.21 | findlay | and don't forget to report exactly what you did every week of your life since 1 year before you were born |
| 03:32.52 | findlay | or else face expulsion before a dreaded grand convening of the honor council |
| 03:34.05 | findlay | and once you get in it gets worse, like you have to shave every morning and every time you want to take a test with a credit card |
| 03:34.28 | levi | Oh, you're applying to go to school at BYU. |
| 03:34.36 | findlay | basically |
| 03:34.55 | levi | For grad school? |
| 03:35.02 | findlay | transfer |
| 03:35.09 | levi | Blah. |
| 03:35.22 | findlay | why "Blah."? |
| 03:36.02 | levi | UVSC is easier, and you'll have to take a ton of religion classes to graduate. |
| 03:36.41 | levi | Transfering always means you'll have to take a bunch more classes than if you'd stayed. |
| 03:36.59 | tensai | well for crying out loud. what happened to my power? |
| 03:37.02 | findlay | levi: I don't like the physics program that much at UVSC. Besides, this is all political anyway |
| 03:37.28 | levi | Requirements are different, some stuff doesn't transfer, or won't count for what you want it to, etc. |
| 03:37.41 | tensai | if I die before my power returns, I'll miss you guys |
| 03:37.45 | tensai | except sargun_screen |
| 03:37.48 | tensai | :P |
| 03:37.51 | levi | Heh. |
| 03:38.05 | levi | tensai has been rendered impotent. |
| 03:38.12 | findlay | levi: I want to get into a less provincial academic environment |
| 03:38.24 | findlay | I feel like I've stagnated at UVSC |
| 03:38.57 | levi | Well, I can't say anything about upper-level math or physics classes at BYU. |
| 03:39.20 | levi | The lower-level ones didn't seem hugely more academic than the ones I took at UVSC. |
| 03:40.01 | findlay | levi: I'm talking about research opportunities |
| 03:41.00 | levi | Ahh. Well, there will definitely be more research opportunities as an undergrad at BYU. |
| 03:41.23 | levi | Though there are some at UVSC, at least in CS. |
| 03:41.51 | findlay | that's what makes the difference in applications for continuation in education, grad school, post doc, etc. |
| 03:43.33 | findlay | your primary metric as a scientist is your published research |
| 03:43.46 | levi | Yeah. |
| 03:44.02 | findlay | both quantity and quality |
| 03:44.12 | levi | You're basically insane for wanting to go into academic science, but I guess if it's what you want to do... |
| 03:44.48 | findlay | levi: what else am I going to do? Bang out code for the rest of my life? Sounds really dreary |
| 03:44.51 | findlay | :) |
| 03:45.03 | levi | Depends on what kind of code. |
| 03:45.18 | levi | And you may end up doing something like that anyway. |
| 03:45.18 | findlay | Enterprise(R) :-) |
| 03:45.27 | findlay | possible |
| 03:45.41 | levi | There are a lot of Ph.Ds in the sciences, and not a lot of tenure-track positions. |
| 03:46.08 | findlay | levi: well, now I'm scared :) |
| 03:47.16 | levi | Hey, it appears that Mr. Reznor has completely given up his sophomoric whining in his latest album. Good for him! |
| 03:47.55 | findlay | levi: are you going to grad school? |
| 03:48.08 | levi | That remains to be seen. |
| 03:48.23 | findlay | out of the current scope |
| 03:48.35 | levi | If I've got it in me after I finish undergrad, I'll consider it. |
| 03:48.50 | levi | But at the moment, I'm feeling pretty burnt-out on school. |
| 03:50.00 | findlay | you should |
| 03:50.08 | findlay | I mean it |
| 03:50.41 | findlay | if not schoolastically then at least independantly |
| 03:51.00 | findlay | the world deserves all it can get from your mind |
| 03:51.13 | levi | How does one go to grad school independently as opposed to scholastically? |
| 03:52.25 | findlay | well, not go to school in that case, but to accomplish something intellectual, like write a book or a language or something |
| 03:53.08 | levi | I don't think I could avoid intellectual pursuits. :) |
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| 03:54.17 | findlay | even having been burned out by the rigors of school? |
| 03:54.33 | levi | Well, that will only be temporary. |
| 03:55.22 | levi | But at some point, getting to grad school becomes rather logistically challenging. |
| 03:57.27 | findlay | you'll have to write several essays about how great you are :-) |
| 03:57.37 | levi | I can handle that. |
| 03:58.08 | levi | It's the bit about supporting the family while doing it that's difficult. |
| 03:58.30 | findlay | eh, families are overrated |
| 03:58.59 | findlay | or maybe I just can't figure out how to get married |
| 03:59.15 | levi | Well, I've already got one, so I'm kind of stuck with it. :) |
| 03:59.29 | findlay | too bad for you :) |
| 03:59.35 | levi | findlay: You find a girl, and then you ask her. |
| 03:59.42 | findlay | sure |
| 03:59.46 | levi | Nothing to it, really. |
| 04:00.09 | findlay | they always seem to find a way to scram before that juncture, though |
| 04:00.40 | levi | If you're going to get a job in academic research, you're going to have to learn to be persistent. ;) |
| 04:00.52 | findlay | true |
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| 04:04.09 | levi | Okay, so the first disc of NIN - Ghosts is underwhelming. |
| 04:04.29 | nick125 | I'm still trying to download the other volumes here. |
| 04:04.40 | levi | I don't think I'm going to bother. |
| 04:04.58 | levi | I've already got tons of way better electronic music. |
| 04:05.49 | findlay | heh, I couldn't even tell :) Besides, I've got more than enough Bach |
| 04:05.49 | levi | nick125: You're too young to care about NIN anyway. :P |
| 04:07.28 | levi | There's some remarkably complex and musically interesting electronic music. |
| 04:08.28 | levi | Also a lot of utter crap that's only vaguely interesting for a minute or two mixed into a DJ set while on drugs or something. :P |
| 04:08.42 | nick125 | Haha. |
| 04:17.28 | levi | Man, the x86 architecture is so screwy. |
| 04:21.11 | fozzmoo | Question. |
| 04:21.32 | fozzmoo | What fs type would you use if you wanted a 10TB filesystem? |
| 04:21.33 | lakshmi | msg nick125 hey |
| 04:21.38 | lakshmi | nick125 hey |
| 04:22.11 | nick125 | lakshmi: Hello |
| 04:22.45 | findlay | xfs? |
| 04:23.01 | lakshmi | nick125 sup? |
| 04:23.20 | nick125 | lakshmi: Not too much, how about you? |
| 04:23.45 | nick125 | fozzmoo: I haven't done any research, but probably ext3, JFS or XFS. |
| 04:23.57 | fozzmoo | ext3 stops at 2TB without some patching. |
| 04:24.16 | nick125 | ext4dev? :) |
| 04:24.29 | fozzmoo | Any thoughts on reiser, xfs, or jfs? |
| 04:24.59 | lakshmi | nick125 sm bored |
| 04:26.33 | goozbach | XFS |
| 04:26.42 | goozbach | or JFS |
| 04:26.49 | goozbach | depends on what you are goind to do with it |
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| 04:26.55 | fozzmoo | bacula volume. |
| 04:26.56 | nick125 | I used JFS with alright results on my laptop |
| 04:26.59 | fozzmoo | So, big files. |
| 04:27.05 | goozbach | I wouldn't use ext3 |
| 04:27.15 | fozzmoo | I can't really use ext3. Not an option. |
| 04:27.24 | fozzmoo | I can only see 2TB of it. |
| 04:27.25 | goozbach | way too chatty for such a large valume |
| 04:27.26 | goozbach | volume |
| 04:27.36 | nick125 | The only problem I had with JFS on my laptop was that whenever I uncleanly rebooted, it would leave a bunch of stray files that it wouldn't remove during the fsck. |
| 04:27.37 | goozbach | XFS |
| 04:27.45 | goozbach | big files == XFS |
| 04:27.53 | goozbach | that's what XFS was built for |
| 04:27.58 | fozzmoo | ok |
| 04:27.59 | fozzmoo | Thanks. |
| 04:28.16 | nick125 | I still need to decide what to put on my 2TB RAID1 cluster (when I get it, of course). |
| 04:29.01 | nick125 | fozzmoo: Nice. |
| 04:29.38 | fozzmoo | Learned something I didn't know today. |
| 04:29.47 | nick125 | RAID1? |
| 04:29.51 | goozbach | what was that? |
| 04:29.51 | fozzmoo | A PCIe 8X card will work in a 16X slot. |
| 04:29.52 | fozzmoo | RAID5 |
| 04:30.02 | nick125 | Aah, neat. |
| 04:32.35 | levi | nick125: Why would you buy a 2TB raid cluster without a purpose in mind for it? |
| 04:32.45 | nick125 | levi: Video storage |
| 04:32.50 | fozzmoo | That's what I'd do too. |
| 04:33.07 | fozzmoo | That's what I'm using most of my 1.3TB for. :) |
| 04:33.14 | fozzmoo | (RAID1) |
| 04:33.31 | levi | I store my video on the little plastic discs that I purchased it on. |
| 04:33.41 | fozzmoo | I did that for a time. |
| 04:33.47 | levi | It's very economical. |
| 04:33.49 | fozzmoo | Then I ran into a problem. |
| 04:33.54 | fozzmoo | kids |
| 04:34.19 | levi | solution: high shelves. |
| 04:34.31 | levi | Or locking cabinets. |
| 04:34.34 | fozzmoo | Oh. you think it's that easy, eh? |
| 04:34.43 | fozzmoo | Well, I don't keep MY DVDs on the server. |
| 04:34.47 | fozzmoo | I keep THEIR DVDs on the server. |
| 04:35.00 | fozzmoo | And they watch their DVDs with the Mediagate. |
| 04:35.11 | nick125 | levi: But, when you're talking 500-800 DVDs worth of stuff, it's not just logical to do that. Not to mention, I need to be able to edit the videos (the RAID1 is also going to be used for user file storage). |
| 04:35.16 | levi | If the kids break their DVDs, that's their problem. ;) |
| 04:35.24 | fozzmoo | http://www.flickr.com/photos/billadams/321845104/ |
| 04:36.06 | levi | nick125: Well, I suppose if you've got a use for 500-600 DVDs worth of video, that's reasonable. I certainly don't have any use for that much. |
| 04:37.22 | fozzmoo | And then I have all this video footage of herlo that I may need for blackmail purposes. |
| 04:37.53 | nick125 | fozzmoo: Got to keep that backed up, eh? :-) |
| 04:38.02 | fozzmoo | nick125: you never know. |
| 04:58.55 | findlay | well, I always know |
| 04:59.29 | findlay | whenever you need knowledge and don't know where to turn, I'll be there |
| 05:00.04 | findlay | whenever Jeeves is too busy to field your insignificant inquiry, I'll be willing to take your gratuity |
| 05:02.05 | findlay | you guys are talking about setting up your own storage farms? Just put it on the cloud. Let google manage your data for you. I'm sure they'll be quite willing to index your media glut for you and Uncle Sam |
| 05:04.05 | findlay | well, I got a number of things done from my checklist this evening |
| 05:04.19 | findlay | I need a reward therefore it's tetris time |
| 05:05.18 | findlay | I heard that you can't get any better than O(n) for a tetris AI |
| 05:06.07 | findlay | or for any kind of interesting polyomino problem |
| 05:06.22 | fozzmoo | Any suggestions for mkfs options (for mkfs.xfs)? |
| 05:09.36 | fozzmoo | Well, crud. |
| 05:09.52 | fozzmoo | CentOS5 kernel doens't have XFS |
| 05:10.24 | nick125 | fozzmoo: Recompile it? |
| 05:11.00 | findlay | `cd /usr/src/linux && make oldconfig && make menuconfig`? |
| 05:12.34 | fozzmoo | I know I can. |
| 05:12.36 | fozzmoo | I'd rather not. |
| 05:12.37 | goozbach | fozzmoo: check out epel |
| 05:13.27 | findlay | yeah, it's some work to maintain a package when the distro won't |
| 05:13.39 | findlay | unless you're using gentoo :-) |
| 05:14.30 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I'm checking... not finding much. |
| 05:16.53 | fozzmoo | Ahhhh. |
| 05:17.01 | fozzmoo | CentOS extras has kmod-xfs |
| 05:17.05 | fozzmoo | That was easy |
| 05:17.13 | fozzmoo | Too easy. |
| 05:17.41 | findlay | heh |
| 05:17.55 | fozzmoo | goozbach: you have any suggestions for xfs options? |
| 05:18.12 | fozzmoo | you know... stupid stuff I should have done before starting to use this volume in production? :) |
| 05:18.13 | findlay | although a distro not including support for a major filesystem seems like negligence to me |
| 05:18.40 | fozzmoo | In the Fedora/RH world, anything outside of ext2/ext3 is "fringe" :) |
| 05:20.09 | fozzmoo | Argh. |
| 05:20.16 | fozzmoo | du says all I have is 2TB |
| 05:22.50 | findlay | I know |
| 05:22.52 | findlay | I stole the rest |
| 05:23.34 | fozzmoo | sdb : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16). |
| 05:23.34 | fozzmoo | SCSI device sdb: 20497039360 512-byte hdwr sectors (10494484 MB) |
| 05:30.15 | nick125 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/ |
| 05:30.17 | brac | [Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers - Engadget] |
| 05:30.30 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 05:31.33 | fozzmoo | Alright. I figured out the +2TB filesystem |
| 05:31.35 | fozzmoo | http://portal.itauth.com/2008/01/17/creating-large-2tb-linux-partitions\ |
| 05:31.46 | fozzmoo | Gotta use parted and label the disk gpt |
| 05:32.03 | fozzmoo | (as opposed to legacy MBR) |
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| 05:54.10 | ibot | pickets tensai for being tolerant of other bots |
| 05:54.47 | tensai | semi truck took out a power pole. good chunk of town was out of power. |
| 05:55.09 | fozzmoo | eeek. |
| 05:56.39 | findlay | imagine what a full truck would have done instead of just a semi one |
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| 05:58.29 | tensai | my ups should have lasted the whole outage, but it didn't. not sure why but one of them powered down early. |
| 06:34.42 | Supaplex | which part of town? |
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| 08:37.46 | findlay | Supaplex: the other side of the tracks |
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| 13:57.53 | sontek_ | you guys know if you can list all the current active SSH tunnels |
| 13:59.34 | herlo | sontek_: try ~? from within an ssh session, maybe something there? |
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| 14:06.20 | Si-Borg | hello, anyone here? |
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| 14:08.41 | Si-Borg | im looking for trixtur |
| 14:09.48 | Si-Borg | #matlab |
| 14:09.53 | Si-Borg | ooops |
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| 14:18.22 | Sargun | No. |
| 14:18.33 | Si-Borg | just no? |
| 14:18.35 | Sargun | Morning. |
| 14:18.45 | ^Migs^ | I'm in some lame developer training |
| 14:18.48 | Si-Borg | not really its 2 in the afternoon here :P |
| 14:18.53 | ^Migs^ | Lansa..anyone hear of it? |
| 14:18.54 | Sargun | Developer training? Weird. |
| 14:19.03 | ^Migs^ | didn't think so |
| 14:19.16 | Sargun | The only training that's required here is FME |
| 14:19.32 | Sargun | (For Software Engineers |
| 14:19.41 | ^Migs^ | They want me to learn a new language to help some other developers |
| 14:19.49 | ^Migs^ | and for some reason, the language we've been using for the past 15 years is Lansa |
| 14:20.06 | Sargun | Historical reasons probably |
| 14:20.18 | ^Migs^ | proprietary IBM language, with no third-party modules, no community, no open source efforts revolving around it, no support... |
| 14:20.35 | ^Migs^ | it's just "what we use" even though it's career suicide to waste your time learning it |
| 14:20.49 | ^Migs^ | I have to admit, it does have a pretty slick IDE, though. |
| 14:20.52 | Sargun | Sounds like a walk in the park using it. |
| 14:21.02 | ^Migs^ | but from what I've seen, the "bilng-bling" is pretty much all it has going for it |
| 14:21.14 | ^Migs^ | s/bilng/bling/ |
| 14:23.04 | ^Migs^ | it has some really annoying quirks. For example, variables must be all uppercase and can't exceed 9 characters |
| 14:23.30 | Si-Borg | dont suppose anyone can help me out with a simple matlab problem can they? |
| 14:25.08 | Sargun | who doesn't like "bling-bling" |
| 14:25.15 | Sargun | Even if it is a crappy language |
| 14:25.18 | Sargun | sounds like... |
| 14:25.21 | Sargun | COBOL |
| 14:25.23 | Sargun | or Basic. |
| 14:26.07 | Sargun | LANCE: Lacking Any Native Systems or Access |
| 14:26.12 | ^Migs^ | it probably doesn't suck that bad. It reminds me of Visual Basic, actually |
| 14:26.30 | Sargun | VB doesn't suck that much |
| 14:26.32 | Sargun | ? |
| 14:26.34 | ^Migs^ | but Lansa supposedly focuses more on "integration" |
| 14:26.36 | Sargun | Are you stating that |
| 14:26.41 | ^Migs^ | i'm trying to be OPTIMISTIC |
| 14:26.44 | Sargun | hehe |
| 14:26.48 | Sargun | Optimists never win. |
| 14:27.13 | Sargun | (That's not true, but us pessimists are so depressed we have to be optimistic on our viewpoint of our viewpoint) |
| 14:27.27 | Sargun | Anyways |
| 14:27.30 | Sargun | I'm out. |
| 14:27.58 | Sargun | Seeya oldies later. |
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| 14:57.51 | sjansen | DEATH TO THE WORD "BLING"! |
| 15:07.37 | sargun_screen | Heya |
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| 15:07.43 | sargun_screen | Hm, I hate this situation... |
| 15:07.56 | sargun_screen | Cute girl asleep next to me, Cute girl infront of me. |
| 15:08.10 | sargun_screen | I know the one next to me. |
| 15:08.10 | nick125 | flac files take forever to uncompress :x |
| 15:08.18 | sargun_screen | but she is asleep. Do I talk to the bone accross me? |
| 15:08.40 | sargun_screen | Will she wake up? Will she be pissed? Will she think I'm a male-chavinist a-hole? |
| 15:09.42 | sargun_screen | the world may never know? |
| 15:10.03 | jsmith | sargun_screen: The answer is "yes" |
| 15:10.30 | sargun_screen | jsmith: Heh, I thought as much, hence the reason I'm saying it here in IRC, to start a conversation. |
| 15:10.41 | sargun_screen | And not doing it IRL, getting slapped... |
| 15:11.10 | fozzmoo | ~slap sargun_screen |
| 15:11.10 | ibot | ACTION slaps sargun_screen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 15:11.20 | sargun_screen | -_- |
| 15:11.40 | sargun_screen | fozzmoo: Your slaps are ineffective against my REAL cheaeks. |
| 15:11.57 | sargun_screen | cheeks |
| 15:14.13 | ^Migs^ | what does ^= mean? |
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| 15:15.54 | sargun_screen | multiply? |
| 15:15.56 | sargun_screen | or xor |
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| 15:16.38 | sargun_screen | XOR! |
| 15:17.31 | sargun_screen | x ^= y |
| 15:17.52 | sargun_screen | x = x^y |
| 15:18.04 | sargun_screen | Those expressions (pythonically) are eqal. |
| 15:19.03 | sargun_screen | Or even equal. |
| 15:19.40 | ^Migs^ | Incorrect. It means "not equal" |
| 15:19.45 | tensai | ^ is the encryption operator |
| 15:19.46 | ^Migs^ | apparently |
| 15:20.03 | dmdavis | tensai: :) |
| 15:20.09 | tensai | because everyone knows that all you need is a few xors |
| 15:20.25 | sargun_screen | What the hell? |
| 15:20.39 | sargun_screen | What sort of lanuage does that. |
| 15:20.39 | ^Migs^ | more Lansa garbage |
| 15:20.41 | sargun_screen | != |
| 15:20.56 | sargun_screen | Lansa != ^= Crap. |
| 15:21.05 | ^Migs^ | they let you use ^=, <>, and NE, but not != |
| 15:22.17 | sargun_screen | What is xor then? |
| 15:22.29 | jsmith | Exclusive OR |
| 15:22.37 | sargun_screen | Python: Executable pseudo code... |
| 15:22.40 | sargun_screen | >>> 2 is not 1 |
| 15:22.40 | sargun_screen | True |
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| 15:30.34 | sargun_screen | PING! |
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| 15:34.16 | ^Migs^ | I neglected to mention Lansa also ONLY runs on Windows |
| 15:34.20 | ^Migs^ | isn't that fantastic? |
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| 16:23.49 | levi | Yow. I just got an email full of pictures of Keith Barton's house. |
| 16:25.16 | levi | He's an accident attorney. |
| 16:25.20 | RyanE | One call, that's all. |
| 16:25.23 | levi | He apparently makes way too much money. |
| 16:25.37 | levi | RyanE: That was before he got kicked out of that firm for spending too much on ads. :) |
| 16:26.09 | levi | RyanE: Now his slogan is "It's Just That Easy" |
| 16:26.20 | RyanE | ok, now it's two calls. one to the old number, and another one to actually get him. :) |
| 16:26.57 | levi | Anyway, his house is like an old English manor house. It's crazy. |
| 16:27.26 | goozbach | levi: jpegs? |
| 16:29.05 | levi | Heh, apparently it was sold at a foreclosure auction for $7 million. It was appraised by some at over $20 million. |
| 16:29.11 | levi | I'm looking for more pics. |
| 16:29.32 | levi | Here are a couple from the news story about the sale: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=152928 |
| 16:29.35 | brac | [ksl.com - Barton's Mansion Sells at Auction for $7 Million] |
| 16:29.56 | ^Migs^ | holy crap |
| 16:30.27 | ^Migs^ | haha, the home got foreclosed |
| 16:30.42 | ^Migs^ | apparently doesn't make enough money |
| 16:31.01 | Jayce^ | has only 7 bedrooms, at that size... |
| 16:31.05 | Jayce^ | 13 bathrooms though |
| 16:31.10 | ^Migs^ | oh man, I saw a home in Holladay that was twice that size |
| 16:31.28 | ^Migs^ | my cousin had a wedding reception there. Knew the family. |
| 16:31.34 | Jayce^ | an amway guy bought it... |
| 16:31.40 | ^Migs^ | my wife and I sneaked around the house while everyone was outside |
| 16:32.10 | levi | Well, I imagine even an accident lawyer might have difficulty making enough to afford a $80k mortgage payment every month. |
| 16:34.42 | RyanE | I guess people need to be in more accidents. |
| 16:34.51 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it's our own fault he's suffering |
| 16:34.58 | ^Migs^ | drive more recklessly! |
| 16:35.02 | RyanE | It's our own lack of suffering that's at fault! |
| 16:44.03 | fozzmoo | http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Last_Name_Rhymes_Wit(1).jpg |
| 16:45.45 | fozzmoo | For the record, I'm not related to that Barton guy. |
| 16:45.51 | fozzmoo | Not very closely, anyway. |
| 16:47.53 | fozzmoo | Anyone else wondering if mecworks has an electrical problem in his Jeep? |
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| 16:58.16 | tensai | whoops! |
| 17:02.04 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Not I... that's what he gets for blinding the rest of us on the road |
| 17:02.48 | fozzmoo | I've always had the impression that Jeeps are money pits. |
| 17:02.59 | fozzmoo | I've never known anyone who owned one who wasn't constantly fixing something. |
| 17:03.37 | jsmith | fozzmoo: That's been my experience as well, but I don't have a lot of data points to go on |
| 17:13.15 | sjansen | Man, that is one ugly house. |
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| 17:27.08 | elg | -lart sjansen |
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| 17:38.44 | Tene | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080303-sanity-prevails-ie8-will-default-to-standard-compliant-mode.html |
| 17:39.09 | jsmith | Tene: You're pulling our leg, aren't you ;-) |
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| 17:41.50 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.50 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.52 | brac | |___|( ) |_| \_\\___/ |_.__/ \___/ \__| |
| 17:41.53 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.10 | levi | My Jeep had a few engine problems in the middle of its life, but aside from that it wasn't particularly bad. |
| 17:48.56 | fozzmoo | levi: I think you're the exception. :) |
| 17:49.20 | fozzmoo | But we always knew you were exceptional. |
| 17:51.51 | tensai | ~onjoin -^Migs^ |
| 17:51.51 | ibot | tensai: ok |
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| 18:33.14 | brac | get back in the bathtub. |
| 18:33.28 | findlay-w | ~date |
| 18:33.28 | ibot | It is now 2008.03.04 18:33:28 GMT |
| 18:33.36 | ^Migs^ | -chat get down |
| 18:33.37 | brac | get down to it, haven't tried fitting them, but it's still telecommunications... or it can be very cool. |
| 18:33.54 | ^Migs^ | -chat dance |
| 18:33.54 | brac | dance had |
| 18:34.37 | ^Migs^ | -chat Migs |
| 18:34.37 | brac | Migs was |
| 18:34.42 | ^Migs^ | -chat brac |
| 18:34.42 | brac | brac was built. |
| 18:34.47 | ^Migs^ | -chat findlay |
| 18:34.47 | brac | findlay had a copy of PHP, sec |
| 18:34.56 | ^Migs^ | -chat ^Migs^ |
| 18:34.56 | brac | ^Migs^ had |
| 18:45.32 | Supaplex | so, how's google calendar for general group scheduling? I've never really used it, so mine is just empty and boring. |
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| 19:45.04 | herlo | I don't much like it, but there really isn't much that's better |
| 19:46.23 | findlay-w | email/calendar SW is one of those areas that just never seems to satisfy |
| 19:47.28 | findlay-w | I can't even imagine what the ideal would be. Sometimes I need something that has a strong temporal basis, sometimes something that's just a task list |
| 19:47.44 | findlay-w | and it changes daily or weekly |
| 19:48.35 | findlay-w | Supaplex: you can add the rss from my blog to your calendar and then read my philosophical qunadaries into the nature of ideal calendaring :) |
| 19:51.08 | nick125 | For some reason, it crashes whenever I try to play these FLAC files |
| 19:53.58 | findlay-w | nick125: strace, man |
| 19:55.15 | sjansen | findlay-w: When I "strace man" it print a bunch of code on my screen. How does that help? |
| 19:55.36 | sjansen | For example: |
| 19:55.51 | sjansen | rc: 0 $ strace man |
| 19:55.51 | sjansen | execve("/usr/bin/man", ["man"], [/* 85 vars */]) = 0 |
| 19:55.51 | sjansen | brk(0) = 0x908e000 |
| 19:55.51 | sjansen | access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 19:55.51 | sjansen | open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 19:55.57 | nick125 | helium Ghosts I-IV flac # strace, man |
| 19:55.59 | nick125 | bash: strace,: command not found |
| 19:56.28 | sjansen | Is ld.so.preload the problem? What does ENOENT mean? |
| 19:57.00 | sjansen | What does man have to do with FLACs? |
| 19:57.06 | nick125 | sjansen: No idea |
| 19:57.28 | sjansen | Linux is weird. I don't see why it's trying to find talking trees. |
| 19:59.09 | Tene | What, you don't like ents? |
| 19:59.20 | Tene | Read my name backwards with one of the 'e's missing, sjansen. |
| 19:59.35 | Tene | IM A BACKWARDS ENT, you insensitive clod. |
| 20:02.40 | findlay-w | sjansen: you obviously don't have the alacrity, the bravery and lightning skill, the sheer speed to span computer space constructs in real time like The Chosen can, or those who have The Gift, those who have been prophesied to challenge and destroy the Menace of the Cyberdemons |
| 20:05.07 | herlo | findlay-w: that's Jane |
| 20:05.42 | findlay-w | ah, yes, Jane |
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| 20:06.03 | findlay-w | lakshmi: is your real name Jane? |
| 20:06.22 | Jayce^ | the hero of Canton? |
| 20:06.29 | lakshmi | findlay-w: huh? .... no...? |
| 20:21.05 | tensai | sjansen: ENOENT means file not found, I believe |
| 20:26.32 | findlay-w | besides, I thought it was the entwives that were missing |
| 20:27.07 | RyanE | findlay-w: so you're saying it should be 'ENOENTWIVES'? :) |
| 20:27.17 | findlay-w | yeah |
| 20:27.29 | findlay-w | I think it's a typo in POSIX or something |
| 20:27.32 | RyanE | you should submit a patch. |
| 20:27.38 | findlay-w | sure thing |
| 20:40.54 | Supaplex | findlay-w: haha okay. :) what's the feed? |
| 20:48.15 | rsimpkins | So why would I order an HDTV reciver from comcast, with a new HDTV, and have the guy freaking run coax to it? |
| 20:48.51 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Because he's not paid enough to think? |
| 20:48.52 | rsimpkins | These poor contractors could care less I think. |
| 20:49.05 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Amen. $14 is what I pay comcast, i bet he gets $5 or less. |
| 20:49.49 | rsimpkins | All I had to do was ask from component in, and he was happy to oblige, he was hoping he'd get away without having to do that tho. :) |
| 20:50.01 | rsimpkins | My wife doesn't know and he was taking advantage I think. |
| 20:50.56 | rsimpkins | Is HDMI better than component, or they about the same/ |
| 20:50.58 | rsimpkins | ? |
| 20:51.35 | jsmith | rsimpkins: If the cost of the cables is any indication... |
| 20:53.36 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Do you have an HDTV? |
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| 20:57.45 | beandog | The picture is about the same. |
| 20:57.49 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I probably shouldn't admit this in public, but I have an HDTV (32" LCD), but it's not hooked up to any HD sources |
| 20:57.52 | beandog | HDMI is slightly better, IMO. |
| 20:58.08 | beandog | But youre probably not near as visually anal as I am. |
| 20:58.28 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'm not much of a TV or movie watchin' kinda guy |
| 20:58.44 | beandog | I just got my HD Tivo setup today. :) |
| 20:58.53 | beandog | It's got a cable card and everything |
| 21:00.44 | beandog | rsimpkins, what kind of tv did you get |
| 21:01.53 | RyanE | Component can do up to 1080i. Devices don't put 1080p over Component, so if you want 1080p, it's HDMI. |
| 21:02.42 | RyanE | Video quality over Component is comparable to HDMI, but the big difference is that switching to HDMI will have a delay as HDMI 'negotiates'. |
| 21:02.52 | RyanE | where Component won't have the delay. |
| 21:02.53 | rsimpkins | beandog: Well, IMHO, if you drop several hundred on a TV it might as well look the best it can. |
| 21:03.15 | rsimpkins | Is 1080p better then? |
| 21:03.30 | RyanE | If a device doesn't support output over 1080p, it doesn't really matter. :) |
| 21:03.38 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure what comcast spits out. I'm sure it isn't the best. |
| 21:04.00 | beandog | Nobody is broadcasting in 1080p anyway |
| 21:04.04 | rsimpkins | I've got HDMI from my DVD to my TV, it looks.... amazing. But for the comcast stuff I'm thinking component would be best. |
| 21:04.05 | beandog | The only way you'd get that is Blu-Ray |
| 21:04.19 | RyanE | Yeah, I'm thinking beandog is right. |
| 21:04.21 | beandog | Everyone is broadcasting in 720p or 1080i |
| 21:04.29 | beandog | We wont see 1080p for a few years. Too much bandwidth. |
| 21:04.49 | beandog | 1080p > 720p > 1080i |
| 21:04.51 | rsimpkins | So, for my setup you think that's ok? |
| 21:05.03 | beandog | yah, component is fine. |
| 21:05.06 | rsimpkins | Cool. |
| 21:05.13 | beandog | Most people wouldnt notice the difference. |
| 21:05.33 | rsimpkins | I bought an early model HDTV that doesn't auto switch formats - so it's kind of annoying. Not sure I like that. |
| 21:06.04 | rsimpkins | The HDMI stuff auto-negotiates, but OTA stuff you have to switch between 16:9 and 4:3. Not sure how that will work with component. |
| 21:06.25 | rsimpkins | I'll test both when I get home I guess. |
| 21:06.26 | beandog | Oh yah, thats true. HDMI will do that stuff for you, in some cases. |
| 21:06.29 | beandog | Depends on your TV. |
| 21:06.39 | beandog | If you need to buy a cheap HDMI cable, you can get one for like $12 at PC Club. |
| 21:06.59 | rsimpkins | Oh really? Cause I spent like $39 on one at wal-mart last night. Ripped off I guess. |
| 21:07.06 | RyanE | and for distances < 35-50 feet, the cheap HDMI cables work as well as expensive. |
| 21:08.28 | beandog | rsimpkins, what are you using, Comcast's HDTV box? |
| 21:08.50 | rsimpkins | Yes. |
| 21:09.28 | beandog | good stuff. |
| 21:09.32 | beandog | free on demand hd movies |
| 21:09.36 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I saw that. |
| 21:09.48 | rsimpkins | I'm more interested to see if channel quality improves. |
| 21:09.49 | beandog | The UI in general needs some work, but not too bad. |
| 21:10.04 | rsimpkins | It's a much bigger TV than we've ever had, so we notice really horrid broadcasts more. |
| 21:10.26 | rsimpkins | Just the component versus coax should make a difference I'm hoping. |
| 21:10.50 | RyanE | yeah, component compared to converting to RF and back should be quite a difference. |
| 21:11.09 | beandog | plus HD pictures are easier to pick up |
| 21:11.23 | beandog | that is, if youve got a snowy picture on coax, the digital still comes through pretty nice. |
| 21:11.36 | beandog | personally, I just use an rf booster and that fixes all my problems |
| 21:11.40 | rsimpkins | The only beef I have with these cable boxes is you can't eliminate channels you don't want, and you can't re-order channel order in the guide. |
| 21:11.44 | rsimpkins | Seems like basic stuff. |
| 21:12.02 | beandog | yah, thats why I switched. |
| 21:12.12 | rsimpkins | Who do you use now? |
| 21:12.45 | beandog | Tivo |
| 21:12.54 | beandog | Comcast HD + HD Tivo |
| 21:13.31 | rsimpkins | Interesting. How much did the tivo box cost/what did you get? |
| 21:13.42 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RZDBM2/ |
| 21:13.45 | beandog | I just got it yesterday |
| 21:14.06 | beandog | I'm paying $13/mo for the service from Tivo, and I get the Cable Card from Comcast for free |
| 21:14.10 | rsimpkins | So do you have to have a cablecard to use it? |
| 21:14.13 | beandog | so, instead of renting the DVR from Cocmast, I just have this. |
| 21:14.14 | beandog | yah |
| 21:14.15 | rsimpkins | Cool. |
| 21:14.30 | beandog | You just go down to the office and pick one up, stick it in there, call comcast to activate it, and youre done. |
| 21:14.38 | rsimpkins | I've yet to have the spare cash to jump in to the DVR space - wanted to get a TV upgrade first. |
| 21:14.46 | beandog | The box has HDMI, Component and SPDIF out |
| 21:15.03 | beandog | Yah, I decided I couldn't wait. |
| 21:15.11 | rsimpkins | beandog: So when you do that, do you send comcast back their box? |
| 21:15.26 | beandog | Yah, just take it into the office |
| 21:15.56 | rsimpkins | Well, it's $7/mo for the box, so if I went with the Tivo it would only be a diff of $6/mo. |
| 21:16.11 | rsimpkins | On a month-to-month basis. |
| 21:16.20 | beandog | Really? I was paying the same for my HD box |
| 21:16.48 | rsimpkins | Well, they are charging me $7/mo for the box - previously the box was free. |
| 21:17.06 | rsimpkins | It was one of those crappy motorolla boxes that looks like a cable modem. |
| 21:17.16 | beandog | yah |
| 21:17.27 | beandog | mine was really loud too, which was annoying. |
| 21:17.40 | rsimpkins | loud? Which, the HDTV box or the tiny box? |
| 21:18.02 | beandog | the Comcast HD DVR |
| 21:18.05 | beandog | it was whining |
| 21:18.14 | rsimpkins | Oh, yeah, I didn't get teh DVR box. |
| 21:18.18 | beandog | Oh |
| 21:18.33 | rsimpkins | I figure when I'm ready I better to with Tivo. |
| 21:18.50 | rsimpkins | Everyone I've talked to has said that Tivo is hands down the better system. |
| 21:19.11 | beandog | I didnt believe it until I actually tried it |
| 21:19.18 | beandog | Its like comparing OS X to Windows. |
| 21:19.22 | nick125 | The only problem is if/when Comcast moves to SDV, your TiVo box would essentially be useless. |
| 21:19.41 | rsimpkins | Well, I doubt comcast is doing that any time soon. |
| 21:20.02 | nick125 | If I remember correctly, they've already moved some Eastern states to SDV. |
| 21:20.30 | ^Migs^ | nothing wrong with good ol' VHS tapes |
| 21:20.39 | ^Migs^ | my parents still use their programmable VCR |
| 21:20.51 | rsimpkins | Oh, maybe they need to do SDV for the bandwidth issues they have? |
| 21:21.28 | nick125 | rsimpkins: They're moving to SDV so they can eventually do DOCSIS 3.0. |
| 21:21.46 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: I agree, but from everyone I've talked to this Tivo thing changes the way you use it dramatically. |
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| 21:27.41 | lakshmi | hmph |
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| 21:30.45 | rsimpkins | I was totally not in to HD-TV until I watched parts of Sunshine last night over the HDMI link. I sort of did a demo with several DVDs. All were quite impressive. |
| 21:31.56 | rsimpkins | phantom of the opera was very interesting - because I picked up on problems/subtleties that' I never even knew existed. Like, how shoddy some of the camera work really is! :) |
| 21:32.10 | rsimpkins | Sort of like 'too good' so it ruined it a little. |
| 21:33.18 | SunSparc | I am automating a shell script to visit a web page for me. I do not want to keep the web page I just want to access it and allow it to load completely. I may want to capture information from it eventually, but initially I just want to have the script load the web page. Is wget the best for that? Or would lynx or something else be better? |
| 21:34.12 | SunSparc | nick125: why? |
| 21:34.27 | nick125 | SunSparc: I can't connect to it for some reason |
| 21:34.44 | SunSparc | Are they your ISP? |
| 21:34.54 | tensai | SunSparc: wget -O /dev/null |
| 21:35.09 | nick125 | I should mention that I'm referring to Verizon Wireless, not Verizon Communications. |
| 21:35.39 | SunSparc | tensai: Yeah, I have played with that before. Works pretty well, just wondering if that is the most efficient of all the tools out there. |
| 21:36.00 | SunSparc | nick125: Ah, so you have a mobile device and are trying to send email? |
| 21:36.04 | nick125 | SunSparc: yes |
| 21:36.10 | nick125 | I'm tethered to my Treo at the moment |
| 21:36.55 | SunSparc | Laptop tethered to mobile, sending email from laptop through mobile (thus Verison). Correct? |
| 21:37.21 | nick125 | Yeah |
| 21:37.56 | SunSparc | Do you get a specific SMTP error message/number? |
| 21:38.17 | nick125 | SunSparc: It's just refusing my connection. |
| 21:39.05 | SunSparc | Do they require authentication? And if so are you sending credentials with the SMTP connection request? |
| 21:39.46 | tensai | nick125: are you asking politely? no obscene language? |
| 21:39.54 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:41.04 | nick125 | tensai: Haha |
| 21:41.14 | nick125 | SunSparc: It's just refusing my connection outright. No error messages, etc. |
| 21:41.44 | SunSparc | Right, but do they require authentication? |
| 21:41.52 | nick125 | Yes |
| 21:42.24 | SunSparc | So you are sending the credentials and they are just appearing to block the connection altogether. |
| 21:42.25 | nick125 | * Connecting to SMTP server: smtp.vzwmail.net ... |
| 21:42.26 | nick125 | *** Session timed out. |
| 21:43.07 | SunSparc | Oh, it is timing out. That is a different matter |
| 21:43.16 | SunSparc | You may not even be reaching them |
| 21:43.31 | tensai | http://food.aol.com/play-with-your-food/candy-bar-id-quiz |
| 21:43.45 | tensai | I got 15 out of 20 |
| 21:46.06 | nick125 | I can ping the server, just not connect to it. |
| 21:46.48 | tensai | nick125: what about alternate ports? 465? 587? |
| 21:47.08 | nick125 | tensai: I'll give those a try in a moment. |
| 21:47.14 | nick125 | brb |
| 21:48.15 | dmdavis | 13 out of 20 |
| 21:48.20 | thaddeusq | tensai: 15 out of 20 |
| 21:48.43 | tensai | I'm surprised how well I did considering how little candy I eat |
| 21:48.55 | SunSparc | tensai: 12 out of 20 |
| 21:49.59 | rsimpkins | I wonder how my mother, who is a type 1 diabetic, would do with this quiz. |
| 21:50.08 | rsimpkins | She doesn't eat candy bars hardly at all. |
| 21:57.18 | unum | I got 12 out of 20 |
| 21:58.44 | levi | rsimpkins: So, what TV did you end up with? |
| 22:00.41 | beandog | I quit after I got two wrong. |
| 22:01.02 | beandog | Obviously advertisers are failing in their mission. |
| 22:01.06 | beandog | more ads! |
| 22:01.27 | SunSparc | beandog: They are not failing, the test itself is making me want candy bars. |
| 22:01.30 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 22:04.02 | levi | rsimpkins: And do you still feel the same way about today's TV pricing? |
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| 22:10.37 | rsimpkins | levi: Yes, I feel I paid more for a TV than I wanted. But whatevva. I got a 30" Samsung slim HDTV CRT. |
| 22:10.50 | rsimpkins | Pretty durable, not a lot of buttons for the kids to mash. |
| 22:11.28 | rsimpkins | I'm hoping it lasts as long as my last TV. |
| 22:11.36 | rsimpkins | Somehow I doubt it will. |
| 22:11.58 | beandog | rsimpkins, right on |
| 22:12.12 | levi | Does it have an ATSC tuner in it? |
| 22:12.37 | rsimpkins | Yes. I believe it does. |
| 22:12.52 | rsimpkins | We had to go to four different stores to find one. |
| 22:13.21 | beandog | Samsung makes good HDTVs |
| 22:13.50 | rsimpkins | Finally found one at a best buy, it was the display model, and was the last one they had. They tried to only give me 5% off - dorks. So I called them on it and started walking out the store, all the sudden the price dropped another 10%. |
| 22:14.17 | beandog | heh |
| 22:14.18 | beandog | right on |
| 22:14.19 | beandog | how much was it |
| 22:14.34 | rsimpkins | Around $600. A bit more than I wanted to spend, but it's fine. |
| 22:15.18 | levi | Sounds reasonable to me. |
| 22:15.34 | beandog | is it 720p? |
| 22:15.39 | levi | I mean, if it was the same thing as your old TV, it would probably be a bit on the expensive side. |
| 22:16.05 | levi | But I think the HD capability and digital tuner is worth the premium. |
| 22:16.24 | rsimpkins | http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-TX-R3080WH-Wide-SlimFit-HDTV/dp/tech-data/B000B66EJO/ref=de_a_smtd |
| 22:17.25 | rsimpkins | I dunno, we'll see how it goes. |
| 22:17.38 | rsimpkins | That's not the exact model I got - the model I have has less complaints attached to it. |
| 22:17.43 | rsimpkins | But it is similar. |
| 22:19.11 | levi | Have you tried hooking rabbit ears up to it yet? |
| 22:19.30 | rsimpkins | Nope. I don't own any. |
| 22:19.39 | levi | My DVR is currently connected to rabbit ears, since I don't have the outdoor antenna wired to that room yet. |
| 22:19.48 | rsimpkins | But the comcast guys installed a new HDTV box today - so would like to see how it looks. |
| 22:20.13 | beandog | levi, the digital tuner makes up a lot of the cost? |
| 22:20.26 | beandog | You know whats really weird, the v-chip on my HDTV doesnt work at all. |
| 22:20.31 | beandog | All the shows are "Unrated" |
| 22:20.45 | levi | beandog: I'm not sure how much they are these days, but buying a standalone ATSC tuner is at least $100. |
| 22:21.31 | ^Migs^ | http://www.woot.com/Blog/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryId=4118 |
| 22:21.48 | levi | rsimpkins: It's really nice getting a better-than-DVD video experience from free broadcast TV. :) |
| 22:22.37 | beandog | I love #10 |
| 22:23.59 | ^Migs^ | hahaha me too |
| 22:24.05 | ^Migs^ | “I wonder how they’ll divide up his XP.” |
| 22:24.09 | ^Migs^ | oh man, this is nerdy |
| 22:24.56 | levi | The reddit article on his death is filled with them. |
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| 23:06.09 | lakshmi | ~dance |
| 23:06.09 | ibot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 23:08.55 | findlay | rsimpkins: in the words of Bruce Perens, HDMI is ... well ... maybe I shouldn't say that on #utah |
| 23:09.54 | findlay | the 'content industry's' rendition of a hardware standard :) |
| 23:10.02 | levi | I look forward to the death of HDMI. |
| 23:10.24 | elg | i look forward to having enough money to care |
| 23:10.32 | RyanE | yeah, strong dislike |
| 23:10.52 | levi | At its core, it's not terribly evil. It's DVI + digital audio on a cable with convenient ends. |
| 23:11.19 | RyanE | +DMCA |
| 23:11.29 | levi | The downsides are that it's expensive for long lengths and has 'content protection'. |
| 23:13.01 | tensai | hdmi wouldn't be bad really except for the hdcp, just like dvi is good when it has no hdcp. |
| 23:13.31 | levi | It's still length-limited, though. |
| 23:13.41 | levi | The future is video-over-ethernet. |
| 23:14.11 | findlay | oh sure |
| 23:14.26 | levi | No really. |
| 23:14.38 | findlay | levi: is the koolaid that good at work ? :) |
| 23:14.46 | elg | why not findlay? |
| 23:14.58 | findlay | elg: I'm just giving levi a hard time |
| 23:15.14 | elg | if it's worth looking silly for, by all means |
| 23:15.29 | findlay | it would be very nice when you can cut and crimp your own media cables, though |
| 23:15.47 | elg | you can cut and crimp your own coax :) |
| 23:16.07 | findlay | each speaker will have its own IP address |
| 23:16.11 | findlay | elg: true |
| 23:16.19 | elg | speaking of which I'm going to make my own bazooka antenna when my digital tuner comes in |
| 23:16.41 | RyanE | You can run HDMI over a pair of CAT5 for length. There are companies that make the right parts to do it. |
| 23:16.43 | elg | $5 of coax, wire cutters/strippers |
| 23:17.27 | elg | hopefully I can get NBC |
| 23:17.31 | elg | by augus |
| 23:17.31 | elg | t |
| 23:17.37 | findlay | naw, just go with fiber |
| 23:17.55 | findlay | then you've got an unlimited audio spectrum |
| 23:18.29 | elg | my rabbit ears are a rabbit ear |
| 23:18.39 | elg | and it didn't pick up much when it was ears |
| 23:18.49 | RyanE | probably works better than a rabbit foot, though. :) |
| 23:19.14 | elg | the only one I get is the nmsu pbs channel here in town |
| 23:20.14 | RyanE | so if you're ripping off a CD, aren't you ripping digital audio data? I'm not getting why someone would go to the trouble of ripping on two drives then comparing. |
| 23:20.27 | RyanE | I'm missing something here... |
| 23:20.49 | elg | he's paranoid |
| 23:20.57 | elg | but that's the job of cdparanoia |
| 23:21.08 | elg | the process of extracting the bits may have error |
| 23:21.16 | elg | still digital, but the wrong digital bits |
| 23:21.39 | elg | good CDs with good CDROM drives you hardly ever see errors in practice |
| 23:21.55 | RyanE | right, but the drive should know if it got the right bits, right? Doesn't it have error correction? I mean, when you read *digital* (non-audio) data from a CD, it gets the right bits, or knows it didn't get them. |
| 23:22.00 | elg | but that was the raison detre of cdparanoia, which is now more than adequate with its default settings |
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| 23:24.36 | levi | Grrr. |
| 23:26.45 | elg | but yeah, I'm not overly familiar with the error correction/detection of CDROM drives |
| 23:27.25 | elg | maybe audio CD hasn't got the error-detection information encoded |
| 23:29.01 | elg | yeah, there's a pretty table on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM that indicates that cdrom (vs audio cd) has some error detection/correction bits |
| 23:30.13 | elg | looks like red book (audio cd) has some form of error detection and correction called CIRC |
| 23:32.39 | elg | i have NEVER heard any imperfections in ripped audio except when cdparanoia gave me a frowny face |
| 23:33.02 | RyanE | elg: yeah, that's where I'm at. |
| 23:33.18 | elg | tell cdparanoia to never settle for imperfection, and I really see no need for that kind of setup |
| 23:35.14 | RyanE | Ha! "You'll need cdparanoia if yours is a little less equal than others-- or maybe you just keep your CD collection in a box of full of gravel." |
| 23:35.28 | elg | or have kids... ;-) |
| 23:35.36 | elg | actually the gravel is probably a better idea |
| 23:35.41 | elg | if it didn't attract the kids that is |
| 23:35.46 | RyanE | that's why the CD's are in the tupperware storage container under the table in the office. |
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