| 00:00.13 | rsimpkins | findlay: Build up and down instead of out. |
| 00:00.45 | rsimpkins | Or build them like a spring horizontally. |
| 00:00.51 | findlay | rsimpkins: you sink the billions into it and you can build it like that |
| 00:00.56 | findlay | :) |
| 00:01.19 | rsimpkins | /^\./^\./^\./^\./^\ |
| 00:01.24 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.41 | rsimpkins | findlay: I'm just asking if you know of a reason why it wouldn't work. |
| 00:01.58 | findlay | besides that the curvature of the beam path is defined by how much you can deflect extremely relativistic, massive particles with a multi-Tesla magnet |
| 00:02.01 | rsimpkins | Or a coil horizontally configured in to a circle. |
| 00:02.38 | rsimpkins | So each coil would have to be as large as the current circle - so what's the point? |
| 00:02.44 | findlay | there's a direct correlation between path curvature and total energy possible |
| 00:02.51 | findlay | rsimpkins: $$$ |
| 00:02.58 | rsimpkins | Okay, that makese sense. |
| 00:03.31 | findlay | 27 km of liquid helium-cooled superconducting multi-tesla magnets isn't cheap |
| 00:03.41 | rsimpkins | If I can just find a way to deflect a beam 90degrees while accelerating it at the same time.... :) |
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| 00:04.00 | tensai | findlay: I got one in a box of cracker jacks |
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| 00:06.33 | findlay | rsimpkins: the point of having a circular accelerator is so that you can send them around the track multiple times |
| 00:07.14 | rsimpkins | findlay: Right, i was just wondering if there was a way you could loop it around. Like when you take a circle and bend it in to a figure eight, then bend it over again on to itself. |
| 00:07.25 | findlay | I guess you could have a scrunched coil, but your radius is still the same and you won't be able to get any higher energy |
| 00:08.17 | rsimpkins | Just wondering if fewer stronger magnets are better than many less strong magnets. |
| 00:08.45 | rsimpkins | Like 8 8T mags versus 16 4T mags - if possible. |
| 00:09.26 | findlay | well the LHC is maxed out with the strongest magnets you can getj |
| 00:09.29 | findlay | s/j// |
| 00:09.47 | findlay | the only thing you can do at this point is make a bigger circle |
| 00:10.14 | rsimpkins | I wonder what the challenge behind bigger mags is. |
| 00:10.19 | rsimpkins | cooling? |
| 00:10.24 | trip0 | s/no/yes |
| 00:10.30 | findlay | I'm not sure |
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| 00:10.46 | trip0 | s/no/yes/ |
| 00:10.48 | rsimpkins | 16 4T easier to keep cool than 8 8T ? |
| 00:10.51 | findlay | superconductivity varies depending on what substance you use |
| 00:11.09 | trip0 | ahh, that's how it works, needs a trailing "/" |
| 00:11.14 | findlay | and it's limited by other physical factors than temperature |
| 00:11.46 | rsimpkins | well, they don't give tours of these places to adults for some reason. If your a school kid - they'll take you all over. But if your an adult - sorry - fat chance. |
| 00:12.04 | findlay | you could run it, but that would take a while |
| 00:12.57 | rsimpkins | I just wanna spend a couple hours at one learning how they work. Wish our science programs were set up to do things like that rather than just teach elementry school kids who probably could care less. |
| 00:13.18 | findlay | are you referring to a specific experience? :) |
| 00:13.31 | findlay | try cern's website. It's got lots of info |
| 00:13.40 | findlay | the web began there, after all |
| 00:13.43 | rsimpkins | it does, but a lot of it has been restricted these days. |
| 00:14.20 | rsimpkins | Where are the adult science education programs? I wish there was an 'armchair outreach' program for the amature/non-professional physicis buff. |
| 00:16.18 | rsimpkins | <<out |
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| 00:25.17 | Lone_Wanderer | It's Thursday, and you know what that means. |
| 00:25.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh wait... wrong channel. |
| 00:25.36 | goozbach | it's business time? |
| 00:25.39 | goozbach | :) |
| 00:25.46 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 00:25.54 | Lone_Wanderer | it's time to do some "warming up" drinking. |
| 00:26.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Get ready to hit the booze good and hard over the weekend. Monday is the day for "cooldown" drinking. Tuesday and Wednesday are the "Just a little bit before formation" days. |
| 00:28.24 | sontek | goozbach: flight of the conchords are in Utah next week, you'll have to come back =) |
| 00:28.56 | goozbach | dangit |
| 00:29.13 | goozbach | hey, if they're touring the US that means they'll be in Atlanta sometime |
| 00:29.42 | sontek | They aren't touring, they are the entertainment for the omniture summit |
| 00:29.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Flight of the... in Utah? Where? |
| 00:29.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Are tickets still available? |
| 00:30.07 | sontek | they weren't selling tickets to the public |
| 00:30.10 | sontek | only attendees |
| 00:30.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh |
| 00:30.22 | Lone_Wanderer | err. how do you become an attendee, is the real question |
| 00:30.34 | sontek | you get me drunk enough to print you a ticket ;) |
| 00:31.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Seriously? |
| 00:32.10 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not me, it's a girl I know. She likes them and is seriously bummed these days, if someone could hook her up she'd be thrilled. |
| 00:32.24 | neybar | I'll give you all the water you want... it might take you a while to get drunk though. |
| 00:32.42 | sontek | Once we have final numbers of attendees I should be able to get some people in |
| 00:32.51 | Lone_Wanderer | ! |
| 00:32.56 | sontek | but its at the grand america so we have to find out how many attendees are coming first |
| 00:33.03 | sontek | not a very large venue ;P |
| 00:33.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. |
| 00:33.32 | Lone_Wanderer | How can I contact you about this? |
| 00:34.23 | sontek | i'll most likely be in here asking if anyone want to go once I have confirmation if i'm allowed to bring anyone |
| 00:34.25 | goozbach | bugger all |
| 00:38.32 | harleypig | I've got a d-link router and I want to dump the syslog to my computer ... there is an option to log to a remote server ... what program can I use to allow the router to dump the log to my computer? |
| 00:39.55 | goozbach | harleypig: syslog |
| 00:40.10 | goozbach | you have to run syslog with the -d switch |
| 00:40.22 | harleypig | really? oh ... ok ... looking at documentatoin now. |
| 00:40.22 | harleypig | thx |
| 00:40.25 | goozbach | and open up the inbound syslog port (no idea what it is) |
| 00:40.35 | goozbach | methinks it's only UDP |
| 00:41.07 | goozbach | syslog daemon on your compy, enable outbound syslog on your router point it to your compy, and volia! |
| 00:41.38 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXA9oc-8vQ8 Gran Turismo 5 |
| 00:42.05 | JoshH | i think it's -r instead of -d |
| 00:42.31 | JoshH | at least on mine |
| 00:44.55 | Lone_Wanderer | dw: I didn't get selected. reclassed to aviation. I can go back later. land nav problems. |
| 00:45.22 | Lone_Wanderer | 15X, apache weapons system, electrical and avionics repair. |
| 00:53.20 | levi | Holy crap, the top-post thread took off when I wasn't paying attention. |
| 00:57.39 | levi | And, geez, this guy teaching my OS class is fond of lame Intel architecture trivia. :/ |
| 00:58.11 | goozbach | JoshH: you might be right |
| 00:58.17 | goozbach | syslog -r |
| 01:00.36 | unum | levi: you should talk to entrophy on fslc net and get even lamer trivia to throw back at him |
| 01:01.34 | levi | I don't want lame Intel trivia clogging my brain; I've got too much lame trivia of other sorts in my head already. |
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| 01:44.21 | findlay | levi: did you park in the pay lot today by the student center? |
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| 01:58.07 | findlay | levi: I'm just (not) surprised it didn't die out right away |
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| 02:22.57 | findlay | -chat |
| 02:22.59 | brac | keep in touch with your life. You fell you could just happen to me in the next day |
| 02:23.18 | findlay | -chat advice |
| 02:23.18 | brac | advice did |
| 02:23.29 | findlay | -chat top posting |
| 02:23.29 | brac | top posting than seeing him again |
| 02:23.35 | findlay | -chat bottom posting |
| 02:23.36 | brac | bottom posting rulez! Top posting than seeing him again |
| 02:24.10 | findlay | -chat Moaert |
| 02:24.10 | brac | Moaert had |
| 02:24.17 | findlay | -chat Mozart |
| 02:24.18 | brac | Mozart was a joke, but it could of course it doesn't help very well be. We'll have to do that for everything else is fencing, subdiving, wanting to call speakeasy some more.. but doesn't boot the card and i'll show you wireless networks |
| 02:24.37 | findlay | yay |
| 02:26.11 | Supaplex | hah :P |
| 02:26.23 | Supaplex | -chat chickens |
| 02:26.23 | brac | chickens had |
| 02:29.05 | findlay | -chat -chat |
| 02:29.05 | brac | -chat is |
| 02:29.12 | findlay | -chat Supaplex |
| 02:29.13 | brac | Supaplex went |
| 02:29.16 | findlay | -chat Supaplex did |
| 02:29.16 | brac | Supaplex did |
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| 02:29.23 | findlay | -chat Supaplex is |
| 02:29.24 | brac | Supaplex is alive and well |
| 02:29.36 | findlay | -chat findlay is |
| 02:29.36 | brac | findlay is telling him about them |
| 02:29.44 | findlay | -chat ~convert |
| 02:29.45 | brac | ~convert went |
| 02:31.21 | nick125_treo | sargun_screen: ping |
| 02:32.39 | Supaplex | silly nick125. use /quit ping timeout ;) |
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| 04:20.36 | findlay | -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 04:20.37 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat about bots should |
| 04:20.37 | ibot | ok, brac |
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| 04:23.26 | Supaplex | ~say -chat about bots should |
| 04:23.26 | ibot | -chat about bots should |
| 04:23.28 | brac | bots should only be able to complete |
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| 05:25.55 | levi | findlay: Nope, I always park in the lot next to the CNS building. |
| 05:27.38 | levi | Heh, "Mac OS X Secretly Cripples non-OS X software" |
| 05:27.43 | levi | Slashdot is such a joke. |
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| 05:55.30 | Supaplex | so happy leapday eve |
| 05:59.20 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: Thanks Supaplex. |
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| 06:19.30 | Supaplex | has klog/syslog on openwrt ever just up and die on you? I haven't rebooted, but I haven't been able to get system logging running again. I think it's a noisy LOG rule in iptables causing some trouble... |
| 06:20.04 | Supaplex | I killed off klogd and restarted it, with no apparent change |
| 06:20.40 | Supaplex | dmesg works :) |
| 06:21.53 | Supaplex | logread's last timestamp is just over 24h old |
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| 14:09.21 | ibot | gnaws on ^Migs^'s ears mmmm carrots, my flavorate NOM NOM NOM |
| 14:27.35 | ^Migs^ | http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/02/robin-williams.html |
| 14:33.49 | harleypi1 | Anyone have any pointers on hacking my phone so I can access my phone logs and possibly even update my contact and planner apps? |
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| 14:43.00 | mrpull | harleypi1: what kind of phone is it? I've seen some apps in the past. |
| 14:43.27 | harleypi1 | samsun m610 ... a bad choice on my part. |
| 14:43.33 | harleypi1 | Nothing appears to support it. |
| 14:44.06 | harleypi1 | opensync, kitchensync ... even some windows apps in a vmware session don't seem to be supporting it. |
| 14:44.43 | mrpull | I don't know the M610. Are you familiar with HowardForums? |
| 14:44.50 | mrpull | that is a goldmine of cellphone info |
| 14:45.31 | mrpull | http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Samsung#Phone_Management_Software |
| 14:45.48 | mrpull | I have no idea if these will work, but here are a few more rabbit holes to try |
| 14:46.01 | harleypig | I don't think I've seen that one. ... checking it out ... thx |
| 14:46.43 | harleypig | Oh ... that's a list of software, but I see some software I haven't run across yet. |
| 14:48.12 | Tene | Anyone here have a mail server that rejects mail based on SPF info? |
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| 15:09.50 | harleypig | You know what would be cool ... [DR]NA learning |
| 15:10.09 | harleypig | Just grind up the smartest people and feed them to the rest of the world. |
| 15:12.17 | harleypig | This looks pretty cool: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/japanfan/a1ca/ |
| 15:12.20 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Space Warp Desktop] |
| 15:21.43 | ^Migs^ | is it possible for someone with a Southern drawl to sound smart? |
| 15:25.06 | harleypig | The problem isn't the Southern part ... it's the drawl part ... anyone who talks slowly in this society is considered stoopid. |
| 15:26.08 | ^Migs^ | I consider people who don't speak English stoopid too |
| 15:26.20 | ^Migs^ | in fact, anyone who talks "funny" is stoopid |
| 15:26.40 | harleypig | Yep .. that's pretty much the American standard. |
| 15:26.42 | Tene | Like people who use "oo" instead of 'u'? |
| 15:27.43 | harleypig | I use that to emphasize the word. It's become a habit. |
| 15:27.54 | harleypig | And a bad habit that I'm not really willing to give up. |
| 15:32.57 | harleypig | damn, I hate flash driven websites. |
| 15:33.05 | Tene | yarly |
| 15:33.30 | vontrapp | -weather kpvu |
| 15:33.31 | brac | 45 minutes ago, on Fri Feb 29 14:49:00 UTC 2008, the wind was calm at KPVU. The temperature was -2 degrees Celsius (28 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1025 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 92.8%. The sky was clear. |
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| 15:51.19 | goozbach | ^Migs^: yes |
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| 16:07.53 | mrpull | this looks like fun: http://www.kloonigames.com/crayon/ |
| 16:07.56 | brac | [Crayon Physics Deluxe] |
| 16:07.58 | mrpull | phun + goals |
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| 16:15.19 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:16.01 | fozzmoo | I wish I could have stayed in bed until noon |
| 16:16.12 | levi | Me too. |
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| 16:23.45 | tensai | I find that sleeping in too much makes me feel worse than waking up too early |
| 16:25.21 | Supaplex | happy leap day :) |
| 16:28.24 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 16:28.34 | ^Migs^ | I hate how February just drags itself out every 4 years |
| 16:32.25 | nearn | its febuary? |
| 16:35.11 | sontek | until tomorrow |
| 16:41.22 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/idiom_shortage_leaves_nation_all |
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| 16:46.59 | ^Migs^ | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333877,00.html |
| 16:47.02 | nearn | wow, how time flys when you are in school |
| 16:50.42 | ^Migs^ | it does? |
| 16:50.52 | ^Migs^ | how long have you been in school? |
| 16:51.04 | Supaplex | seems like it took forever when I was in school. :) |
| 16:51.46 | levi | Grr, the watch place didn't reset my watch properly, because it thinks today is March 1st. |
| 16:54.18 | nearn | well I am working and going to school. so I have almost no free time. |
| 17:03.54 | levi | They took a lot of my money to replace the battery and get everything set correctly, too. :P |
| 17:07.25 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M70emIFxETs |
| 17:08.32 | ^Migs^ | lol |
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| 17:08.47 | ^Migs^ | that's a funny campaign ad |
| 17:09.28 | dataw0lf | cracking me up |
| 17:15.55 | nearn | not her, that is for damn sure. |
| 17:18.49 | tristanbob | here is an idea to get around multimedia issues with Linux and FOSS: |
| 17:19.36 | tristanbob | when the linux user acquires or uses legally-encumbered media formats, ask them if they want free versions of the media |
| 17:20.20 | tristanbob | if they say yes, send the media to a distributed-computing resource that transcodes the media and sends it back |
| 17:21.06 | tristanbob | the distributed-computing resource will be volunteers like folding@home or seti, who have valid media-format licenses |
| 17:21.40 | tristanbob | what do you think? will it work? |
| 17:23.28 | herlo | I think it comes down to licensing restrictions and who pays for those licenses |
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| 17:52.03 | rsimpkins | What is with oftc.net these days? Always dropping off. |
| 17:52.30 | bonez44 | I often receive email..in form of text which is sometimes indented afew spaces, each line,..or formatted in a narrow column...I want to take it and process to just raw text....that i can then paste or send to someone... do I use awk, or sed .. or other? how do I just strip out all the formatting, to yield raw text? |
| 18:02.33 | Tene | fmt |
| 18:03.17 | Tene | paste it into 'fmt' |
| 18:04.09 | bonez44 | http://pastebin.ca/923589 |
| 18:04.25 | bonez44 | that's a posting of the text...which I'd like to have cleaned up..no formatting, tabs..or otherwise |
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| 18:17.04 | elg | bonez44: you want to get rid of leading spaces/tabs? |
| 18:17.08 | elg | what about blank lines? |
| 18:18.30 | elg | and do you want to reformat to a specific text width? |
| 18:18.41 | elg | or get each paragraph all on one line? |
| 18:26.52 | sargun_screen | heya |
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| 18:37.40 | harleypig | man ... I actually have an appetite for the first time in weeks. |
| 18:38.03 | elg | bring out the bovine |
| 18:38.33 | harleypig | damn straight ... except ... my stomach has shrunk ... I couldn't even finish a half a sandwhich. |
| 18:38.46 | harleypig | This is a good thing ... but I'm still hungry! |
| 18:39.11 | neybar | time to head over to Bailey's |
| 18:39.27 | elg | they have stomach stretchers? |
| 18:39.31 | harleypig | Oh man ... I haven't been there in ... since July I think. |
| 18:39.42 | *** join/#utah rsimpkins (n=rsimpkin@unaffiliated/rsimpkins) |
| 18:39.54 | harleypig | And Costa Vida ... *sigh* |
| 18:40.05 | ^Migs^ | the past couple weeks for me have been all damage control, fixing the stuff the other web guy messes up here |
| 18:40.14 | harleypig | This is the first time in months the thought of food hasn't made me queasy. |
| 18:40.22 | ^Migs^ | usually I'm just correcting his spelling and grammar on his new web pages, reformatting so they don't look like a 12 year-old AOLer slapped it together... |
| 18:40.36 | neybar | ouch |
| 18:40.42 | harleypig | ^Migs^: not fun |
| 18:40.59 | ^Migs^ | and apparently he just told our business administrator we had a way to trace IP addresses to people's names, so the business admin just sent out a districtwide email saying that anyone who just visited their web page would be enlisted in a drawing |
| 18:41.03 | neybar | so *is* he a 12 year-old AOLer? |
| 18:41.43 | neybar | really? wow, how are you going to damage control that one? |
| 18:41.46 | harleypig | omg ... that's funny ... |
| 18:41.47 | ^Migs^ | I have no idea |
| 18:42.02 | ^Migs^ | whip up a quick system to let people log in and register for the drawing I guess |
| 18:42.04 | harleypig | Make that guy do it ... |
| 18:42.16 | harleypig | Let him be the one to take responsibility for it. |
| 18:42.21 | harleypig | s/Let/Make/ |
| 18:42.50 | ^Migs^ | he's not admitting to it, but I know he told this business admin |
| 18:42.56 | ^Migs^ | he's always telling people BS |
| 18:43.21 | elg | sounds likely, but there is also the chance that the business admin just came up with it out of the blue without asking |
| 18:43.25 | ^Migs^ | it's pretty obvious he has no clue what he's talking about, promising things that aren't real, etc. |
| 18:43.36 | harleypig | For something like this you've got to cya ... tell the business admin to make whoever told him that the responsible one, and why your pushing for it. |
| 18:43.56 | harleypig | err ... you're |
| 18:44.03 | ^Migs^ | not this guy. He's on top of things. He would've asked someone, and since this other web guy tends to take credit for all my work and think HE'S the web manager, people go to him first |
| 18:44.23 | neybar | stop fixing his mistakes then |
| 18:44.25 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Why are you helping this guy again? |
| 18:44.27 | ^Migs^ | this guy = business admin |
| 18:44.38 | ^Migs^ | because we're kind of stuck with him |
| 18:44.48 | ^Migs^ | we can't fire him, for one |
| 18:44.51 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: you need a vacation |
| 18:44.55 | ^Migs^ | Yes. Yes I do. |
| 18:44.55 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: I have a much better idea. |
| 18:44.57 | harleypig | He's got dirt on the boss? |
| 18:45.00 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Don't do anything. |
| 18:45.04 | ^Migs^ | no, you just can't get fired from this job |
| 18:45.08 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 18:45.12 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Then, when it comes time for a drawing, randomly pick a name. |
| 18:45.18 | ^Migs^ | nah, that just ends up looking bad for me |
| 18:45.27 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I'll randomly pick my name |
| 18:45.33 | rsimpkins | If you can't get fired- why not? |
| 18:45.36 | elg | no, better, pick his! |
| 18:45.46 | rsimpkins | Pick his name every time. :) |
| 18:46.01 | harleypig | Then, demand in writing how the business admin intends to make it happen and demand an answer in writing. |
| 18:46.16 | harleypig | If its cash, pick my name. |
| 18:46.26 | elg | i just visited your website |
| 18:46.28 | elg | pick me |
| 18:46.33 | rsimpkins | Or you can always make him issue a retraction. |
| 18:47.16 | elg | "clown, you are the better people person. can you contact the business admin and let him know that this just isn't possible? kthxbye" |
| 18:48.29 | harleypig | what's your website? |
| 18:48.43 | rsimpkins | NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency... |
| 18:49.04 | ^Migs^ | http://www.weber.k12.ut.us |
| 18:49.15 | ^Migs^ | the page in question is: http://www.weber.k12.ut.us/index.php?page=employeee-wellness |
| 18:49.27 | ^Migs^ | that's apparently another page I have to "damage-control" |
| 18:49.32 | ^Migs^ | pretty crappy formatting there |
| 18:51.55 | harleypig | uhm ... if this is an internal network, or employees of the company coming from pre-assigned ips, then it'd be possible to determine who they were ... but I'm guessing this isn't the case? |
| 18:52.56 | harleypig | Cool! Can I get a telecommute job there? I'd be less of a pain ... oh wait ... you'd still be stuck with him though. |
| 18:53.02 | harleypig | What? He got tenure or something? |
| 18:53.18 | ^Migs^ | there aren't pre-assigned IPs |
| 18:53.27 | ^Migs^ | we CAN trace SOME of the IPs to usernames, but that's it |
| 18:53.33 | ^Migs^ | harleypig, worse. Unions. |
| 18:53.46 | harleypig | Oh. I'm so sorry. |
| 18:53.47 | ^Migs^ | if you've been here over a year, you can't get fired |
| 18:54.18 | ^Migs^ | and it was kind of obvious this guy didn't know what he was doing his first year, but we tried to give him a chance. He's a very sociable and likable guy, so that's why he's lasted so long |
| 18:54.22 | harleypig | Damn! I want in on that! Unless they have a suspiciously high turn over at the 364 daym ark. |
| 18:54.37 | ^Migs^ | this is a great job |
| 18:55.02 | ^Migs^ | working for a school district is awesome. You won't make as much as you might want to, but the benefits are great, and it's a wonderful atmosphere. I'm not looking to leave anytime soon. |
| 18:55.35 | harleypig | Yeah, the same for municipalities. |
| 18:57.47 | Supaplex | as the saying goes 'good enough for goverment work' hahhah :P |
| 19:03.34 | ^Migs^ | http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/ |
| 19:11.56 | ^Migs^ | this site is cracking me up |
| 19:12.05 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.15 | ^Migs^ | When white people go away to college, they tend to study what are knowns as the Arts. This includes actual Art, English, History, Classics, and Philosophy. These can of course be broken down further into Film, Womyn’s Studies (yes the spelling is correct), Communications, Gender Studies, and so forth. It is important to note that a high percentage of white people also get degrees in Political Science, which is pretty much like arts, and onl |
| 19:12.21 | ^Migs^ | y seems to have the word “science” in it to make white people feel better about themselves. |
| 19:12.33 | ^Migs^ | So why would white people spend all that time studying and working to get into college if they are just going to read books that they might have read in their free time? Because white people have it made. They can take that degree and easily parlay it into a non profit job, an art gallery job, or work in publishing. If the pay is low, no problem, their parents will happily help out with rent until they magically start making six figures or non-magically turn |
| 19:12.34 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.38 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:13.53 | Supaplex | what makes you think he's serious? |
| 19:15.45 | ^Migs^ | #40 Apple Products |
| 19:15.46 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:16.20 | ^Migs^ | #14 Having Black Friends |
| 19:16.27 | ^Migs^ | Since we are on the verge of electing a black president, it seems important to explain why white people want black friends. Every white person wants a black friend like Barack: good-looking, well-spoken, and non-violent. |
| 19:16.32 | ^Migs^ | However, if we dig deeper what we notice about white people is not if they have black friends but in fact, how many black friends they have. White people like numbers. They like to count things like stars in the sky and the death toll at Mt. Everest and the number of times they’ve seen Tori Amos and/or Phish in concert. |
| 19:16.34 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha |
| 19:17.04 | Tene | Oh! Oh! I know! |
| 19:17.22 | Tene | Since you like so many items on that page, you could just leave the link to the page! |
| 19:17.34 | Tene | Then if someone else wanted to read them, they could see them all in the same place! |
| 19:17.57 | Supaplex | and we'll put other links on pages like it, and call it a tangled web to weave |
| 19:18.03 | Supaplex | or just web for short |
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| 19:18.31 | harleypig | *sigh* nope |
| 19:20.58 | ^Migs^ | OR I could just copy and paste the entire page so no one has to waste time opening it in their browser! |
| 19:21.33 | Tene | Or maybe not. |
| 19:21.41 | Tene | I think that 'not' would work pretty well too. |
| 19:22.22 | Supaplex | yeah, save it for #migs2,0 :) |
| 19:22.27 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?842604 |
| 19:24.09 | vontrapp | harleypig: you've read every single quote in qdb? |
| 19:27.03 | Tene | vontrapp: you haven't? |
| 19:27.17 | vontrapp | just how many are there? |
| 19:27.30 | harleypig | I have, over time ... but I just happened to read that just as Tene said that. |
| 19:27.39 | harleypig | no idea ... just a sec |
| 19:28.08 | goozbach | harleypig: are you spidering qdb? |
| 19:28.22 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?842604 |
| 19:28.34 | harleypig | 842604 at last count, not including the ones not ok'd. |
| 19:28.36 | harleypig | :D no. |
| 19:29.00 | vontrapp | so they're sequential... |
| 19:29.06 | brac | [QDB: Quote #842604] |
| 19:29.08 | vontrapp | that's a lot |
| 19:29.26 | harleypig | yeah ... but some have been blocked/deleted for various reasons. |
| 19:29.42 | vontrapp | well the whole site has been blocked here |
| 19:29.46 | vontrapp | :( |
| 19:29.51 | harleypig | How come? |
| 19:29.58 | vontrapp | BYU, do they need a reason? |
| 19:30.13 | vontrapp | they just have to "feel good" about it |
| 19:30.17 | harleypig | Oh. Nope. You agreed to that when you started going there. |
| 19:30.25 | vontrapp | yeah... |
| 19:30.35 | vontrapp | i was more naive then |
| 19:30.41 | harleypig | Meh ... they just have to be unsure about it ... "Better safe than sorry!" |
| 19:30.59 | harleypig | Wrong attitude I think. Better would be "Easier to get forgiveness than permission!" |
| 19:31.23 | harleypig | Sorry God ... won't happen again. Thanks for letting me know. |
| 19:32.16 | harleypig | Or, more scripturally sound, Ok God ... I'm listening. |
| 19:32.16 | vontrapp | well that is exactly how it should be |
| 19:32.20 | vontrapp | go out and make some mistakes, and learn something :) |
| 19:33.25 | harleypig | Don't get me started ... I failed the credit card test at a 6am test ... no allowance for having worked til 2 am. I agreed to be clean shaven no matter what. |
| 19:33.43 | harleypig | We'll ignore the fact that the guy ahead of me had more of a shadow than I did ... stuck up little wtch. |
| 19:33.54 | harleypig | sorry ... I have bitter memories of Zoobie land. |
| 19:34.07 | vontrapp | sjansen: that's a real quick lesson, just go ahead and try! |
| 19:34.35 | fozzmoo | Wow! |
| 19:34.48 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: I knew I had heard of Wayne Allyn Root before. |
| 19:34.56 | fozzmoo | Then I realized, I have his book! |
| 19:35.05 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: what are you talking about? |
| 19:35.17 | fozzmoo | You don't know?! |
| 19:35.25 | fozzmoo | Google him. |
| 19:35.26 | vontrapp | Wayne Allyn Root... nope |
| 19:35.28 | harleypig | He's talking about Wayne Allyn Root |
| 19:35.31 | vontrapp | will do |
| 19:35.36 | harleypig | can't say I've heard of him either. |
| 19:35.54 | harleypig | Oh. |
| 19:35.56 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: there's several books i want to try, but i don't want to order them one at a time |
| 19:35.57 | harleypig | He's running for pres |
| 19:36.03 | fozzmoo | Yep. |
| 19:36.11 | vontrapp | i wish amazon would let you store books in a pending cart for long periods... |
| 19:36.21 | harleypig | The Zen of Gambling? |
| 19:36.37 | sjansen | vontrapp: wishlists |
| 19:36.40 | vontrapp | then when you reach a critical shipping$/book$ ratio, send em on |
| 19:36.50 | fozzmoo | He wrote an obnoxious book called Millionaire Republican:Why Rich Republicans Get Rich--and How You Can Too! http://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Republican-Rich-Republicans-Rich/dp/1585424307 |
| 19:37.07 | fozzmoo | It's a great read, but it reads like a late night infomercial. :) |
| 19:37.32 | fozzmoo | "What?! You're not making money hand over fist?! Call now!" |
| 19:37.34 | vontrapp | that would make alate night informercial a great read ... :/ |
| 19:37.54 | harleypig | Oh geez ... his pic doesn't inspire a great deal of trust |
| 19:37.58 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:38.03 | harleypig | My first inclination is to check my wallet. |
| 19:38.09 | fozzmoo | He's the picture of success, that's for sure. |
| 19:38.24 | fozzmoo | The cover of his book is hilarious. He's standing on the roof of his Hummer in front of his (big) house. |
| 19:38.32 | vontrapp | looks like a crossbreed of trump and gore |
| 19:38.57 | fozzmoo | anyway- he's your Ron Paul drop-in replacement. |
| 19:39.00 | fozzmoo | go vote. |
| 19:39.06 | jsmith | vontrapp: Would that be a "Grump"? |
| 19:39.24 | vontrapp | sound good :) |
| 19:39.34 | vontrapp | why is he a ron paul drop-in? |
| 19:39.51 | harleypig | Or how about Tore, as in Tore a new one? |
| 19:40.15 | sjansen | I think fozzmoo is suggesting him because he's just as doomed but easier to make fun of. |
| 19:40.18 | vontrapp | or just gump |
| 19:40.26 | sjansen | ... or not |
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| 19:40.47 | vontrapp | he's gump, he's gump, he's gump... |
| 19:41.00 | trip0 | he's in my head... |
| 19:41.34 | vontrapp | only similarity i can see is maybe they both talk about money |
| 19:42.07 | vontrapp | any one know a good article on Chaum Blinding? |
| 19:42.12 | harleypig | Oh hey! Root has a star on the Las Vegas walk of Stars! |
| 19:42.21 | trip0 | if I want a program to run on the base xserver display and not my ssh session's, can i do a "export DISPLAY=0:0 && application & " ? |
| 19:42.27 | harleypig | wth is Chaum Blinding? |
| 19:42.41 | Tene | trip0: depends on how your xauth is set up |
| 19:42.47 | vontrapp | trip0: if you've jumped through the proper xauthority loops |
| 19:42.48 | harleypig | trip0: DISPLAY=:0.0 applicaton & |
| 19:42.54 | vontrapp | *hoops |
| 19:43.12 | Tene | you can run 'xhost +localhost' to step around proper security, if that's appropriate in this case. |
| 19:43.12 | harleypig | vontrapp: I think loops applies as well |
| 19:43.25 | vontrapp | they are basically the same |
| 19:43.27 | harleypig | or su - user |
| 19:43.33 | harleypig | su - user application |
| 19:43.37 | vontrapp | one is spinning i guess |
| 19:43.43 | harleypig | err ... su - user -c applicatoin |
| 19:43.53 | sjansen | vontrapp: OpenSUSE bash-based sux command for dealing with x is loopey, if that makes any difference. |
| 19:43.54 | Tene | harleypig: that won't set up xauth stuff. |
| 19:43.56 | harleypig | though sudo'd probably be better. |
| 19:44.15 | harleypig | I thought the - user forced a full login |
| 19:44.27 | trip0 | harleypig: so i run it as sudo? |
| 19:44.33 | sjansen | trip0: no |
| 19:44.46 | vontrapp | a quick and easy way is to start a screen session locally in x, and then remotely you can attach it and run x programs |
| 19:44.55 | harleypig | Yeah, the - provides a "similar" login shell ... don't know what the diffs would be though. |
| 19:45.04 | vontrapp | harleypig: you need more than login |
| 19:45.11 | sjansen | harleypig: You're ignoring the complications of X security. |
| 19:45.24 | harleypig | He said the session was already running. |
| 19:45.42 | trip0 | yes, the session should already be running |
| 19:45.53 | sjansen | harleypig: But is he authenticated to access it? |
| 19:46.00 | sjansen | man xauth |
| 19:46.03 | vontrapp | afaik even if you log into a VT on the same machine, you still can't access the X server unless you do xauth magic |
| 19:46.30 | rsimpkins | screen doesn't hide it? I'm going to test. ;) |
| 19:46.53 | vontrapp | sudo xauth magic :) |
| 19:46.55 | sjansen | I don't feel like explaining more because knowing Apple's love for making Unix "better" you probably have to change a setting in /System/X11/Trippy/Config/Hidden/BeOS/xauth.conf or something. |
| 19:47.04 | trip0 | :) |
| 19:47.17 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Works for me just fine. |
| 19:47.38 | rsimpkins | I can launch programs from a shared screen session in to a running x window session. |
| 19:47.38 | vontrapp | basically xauth is pretty darn complicated |
| 19:47.49 | sjansen | Oh, so Apple took the other approach and just doesn't bother with X security? That makes sense too. |
| 19:48.01 | rsimpkins | This isn't apple. |
| 19:48.03 | vontrapp | screen is by far the easiest way |
| 19:48.13 | rsimpkins | I am totally jumping in to the middle - so no clue what you all are talking about. |
| 19:48.19 | sjansen | rsimpkins: The shared screen session is a cool trick to deal with $XAUTHORITY. |
| 19:48.34 | harleypig | sjansen: I was able to do the same thing ... I'm on an Ubuntu setup |
| 19:48.36 | sjansen | But it doesn't actually explain what has to happen in the background. |
| 19:48.41 | rsimpkins | sjansen: And other security tricks as well. :) |
| 19:49.01 | trip0 | ubuntu is the greeetsest |
| 19:49.01 | harleypig | I didn't use a shared screen session. |
| 19:49.02 | vontrapp | harleypig: what did you do? the screen trick? |
| 19:49.32 | harleypig | I started another x session as another user on my system |
| 19:49.41 | rsimpkins | trip0: the greeetsest? |
| 19:50.17 | vontrapp | well i'll be, ubuntu must have way relaxed xauth stuff |
| 19:50.20 | *** join/#utah bbeattie (n=bbeattie@65.48.77.206) |
| 19:50.20 | harleypig | then from my account I typed su - testuser -c rungvim |
| 19:50.38 | vontrapp | harleypig: i did no more than ssh in, and it worked |
| 19:50.41 | harleypig | rungvim is a batch shell I wrote because I couldn't remember how to pass the DISPLAY env variable via shell. |
| 19:50.59 | harleypig | And gvim started on the other accounts x session |
| 19:51.05 | vontrapp | well, i can't see it, but there was no error |
| 19:52.15 | harleypig | oh my heck ... I just typed batch shell ... whtere the hel ldid that come from? |
| 19:52.20 | vontrapp | now that i think of it, i haven't had any problems with starting synergyc remotely |
| 19:52.23 | harleypig | bash script ... I meant bash script |
| 19:52.27 | ^Migs^ | IAW trip0 |
| 19:52.39 | ^Migs^ | I want to find some reason to trash my SUSE box and install Ubuntu |
| 19:52.43 | vontrapp | thought nothing of it at the time, but it would require xauth stuff |
| 19:52.44 | trip0 | now if they could only get xorg 7.3 running |
| 19:52.51 | harleypig | ^Migs^: You have my permission. |
| 19:53.06 | ^Migs^ | cool! |
| 19:53.07 | vontrapp | ~flog harleypig |
| 19:53.07 | ibot | ACTION whips harleypig with a cat-5 o' nine tails |
| 19:53.14 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: rm -Rf / << good reason |
| 19:53.20 | harleypig | Thank you master! May I have another! |
| 19:53.27 | trip0 | ^Migs^: IAW ? |
| 19:53.34 | ^Migs^ | I Agree With |
| 19:53.42 | trip0 | oh, :) |
| 19:54.07 | vontrapp | ok then, class time |
| 19:55.09 | sjansen | ~school vontrapp |
| 19:55.09 | ibot | ACTION slaps vontrapp around, robs'm, then reminds'm to be thankfully for the education. |
| 19:55.29 | tensai | eek. power is being flakey around here today. |
| 19:55.54 | sjansen | tensai: Moved back to Utah, have you? |
| 19:55.54 | trip0 | bmidgley: how's bluez? |
| 19:56.10 | tensai | sjansen: no. it must be spreading like a disease. |
| 19:56.25 | harleypig | tensai: Or just following you. |
| 19:56.31 | rsimpkins | Power problems? |
| 19:57.08 | sjansen | After a decade here, I'm still amazed the Utah power grid can't handle a stiff breeze. |
| 19:57.46 | harleypig | There's a joke there that I'm just going to have to refuse to follow up on. |
| 19:58.45 | rsimpkins | After I installed my S9G reactor my power problems have gone away, but I'm starting to glow. |
| 19:59.13 | harleypig | Well, you're either going to develop super powers |
| 19:59.15 | harleypig | or die. |
| 19:59.53 | tensai | if we've learned anything from comic books it's that radiation causes super powers |
| 20:00.57 | harleypig | So, what you have to decide now is are you going to be a hero or a villain? |
| 20:01.14 | harleypig | I think a villain would be so muhc more fun. |
| 20:01.46 | trip0 | http://xkcd.com/373/ |
| 20:01.49 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 20:01.55 | rsimpkins | A villain has a job if there is a superhero or not. A superhero doesn't. |
| 20:02.12 | harleypig | Oh ... just found Star Trek Meets Monty Python in my favorites list on youtube ... I'd forgotten how funny it was. |
| 20:02.23 | tensai | rsimpkins: a superhero can always work at fast food |
| 20:02.59 | tensai | it's not as glamorous though |
| 20:03.15 | trip0 | only marginally |
| 20:03.46 | *** join/#utah Lakshmi (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 20:06.04 | rsimpkins | Submarines are amazing - like - using lasers as a sonar sensor array. Just neat stuff. |
| 20:06.26 | harleypig | What about photon torpedoes? |
| 20:07.05 | rsimpkins | Not yet, but they do have electronic periscopes now. |
| 20:09.05 | trip0 | why would you use debian without apt? |
| 20:09.33 | trip0 | isn't that the main selling point of debian? |
| 20:09.43 | ^Migs^ | it's A main selling point, yeah |
| 20:09.53 | sjansen | Because you're not old enough to know the root password? |
| 20:10.32 | trip0 | lol |
| 20:10.59 | trip0 | that's a good one |
| 20:11.12 | Lakshmi | hey |
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| 20:18.18 | bmidgley | trip0 bluez is nice... got some fixes & speedups for a2dp coming |
| 20:18.47 | trip0 | bmidgley|away: noo, don't go away... |
| 20:19.31 | trip0 | dout* |
| 20:27.21 | Sargun | ~rlart |
| 20:27.22 | ibot | strangles tensai with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 20:27.31 | Sargun | ~xkcd |
| 20:27.31 | ibot | from memory, xkcd is http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 20:27.36 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 20:28.34 | tensai | ~xkcd is also only the best webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language |
| 20:28.34 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 20:28.59 | nick125 | http://xkcd.com/390/ |
| 20:28.59 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 20:29.29 | levi | So tired. |
| 20:30.06 | harleypig | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxsnFHZXFII&feature=related |
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| 20:31.35 | Sargun | who isn't old enough to know the root password? |
| 20:31.51 | Sargun | ~lart Lakshmi |
| 20:31.51 | ibot | smacks Lakshmi up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 20:32.40 | Lakshmi | Sargun meh. |
| 20:34.46 | Supaplex | Sargun: you missed the context of sjansen's reply. EAGAIN |
| 20:35.34 | harleypig | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJL6mofMQHk&feature=related |
| 20:44.11 | bonez44 | what happens is, I get something cool that I want to pass along to someone else in email...and I cut and then paste into the new mail..and it goes straight to hell..the text stair steps across the page.....it's just impossible.... |
| 20:45.46 | harleypig | oh ... Star Trek and Rocky Horror mashup |
| 20:46.05 | harleypig | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfx8Nc6VKnI&feature=related |
| 20:46.13 | harleypig | its ok |
| 20:47.02 | harleypig | If you're a Rocky virgin then it won't mean anything to you. |
| 20:47.53 | harleypig | Oh ... Jeri Ryan in an original series mini skirt ... |
| 20:48.16 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:48.50 | RedHeron | Heh. |
| 20:48.56 | RedHeron | Busted.... |
| 20:49.12 | harleypig | Making doctor's appointments for my kids, loking for a job. |
| 20:49.35 | harleypig | not much else atm |
| 20:49.44 | harleypig | Distracting everyone else from their work. |
| 20:49.56 | RedHeron | Well, you're doing an excellent job of it. |
| 20:50.02 | harleypig | Your welcome. |
| 20:50.34 | RedHeron | If you know anyone who has land we can use for a 50,000-person concert, let me know. |
| 20:50.48 | RedHeron | I just got told that Stanford University kept trying to change the deal. |
| 20:51.01 | harleypig | Have you thought of Secondlife? |
| 20:51.19 | Supaplex | just borrow the dark side of the moon ;) |
| 20:51.33 | RedHeron | Supaplex: It's already been done. ;-) |
| 20:51.45 | Supaplex | so? |
| 20:51.57 | harleypig | I'm active in Secondlife :> |
| 20:52.01 | RedHeron | Supaplex: Look at the results. |
| 20:52.09 | harleypig | Oh ... missed the context in that one. |
| 20:52.28 | harleypig | RedHeron: Don't you think it'd be a fun trip though? |
| 20:52.38 | harleypig | Wait ... who's doing the concert? |
| 20:52.42 | RedHeron | harleypig: Yes, but how would be be able to get 50,000 people there? |
| 20:52.53 | RedHeron | harleypig: My nonprofit group is. |
| 20:53.30 | Supaplex | oh now you want results AND cheap. |
| 20:53.33 | harleypig | No I mean who's playing. |
| 20:53.34 | RedHeron | It's a charity fundraiser for HIV tests in the Carribean. |
| 20:53.48 | RedHeron | harleypig: Have to line up a venue before we get bands. |
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| 20:54.44 | harleypig | RedHeron: Second life can handle the load. |
| 20:55.14 | RedHeron | harleypig: Load, maybe, but not the live venue. |
| 20:56.15 | harleypig | Does it have to be live? |
| 20:56.22 | harleypig | What about virtually live? |
| 20:56.31 | RedHeron | harleypig: If I can line up the venue, I may be able to get freezepop. |
| 20:56.41 | harleypig | I *am* kidding. |
| 20:56.45 | RedHeron | harleypig: As in: Guitar Hero. |
| 20:57.17 | RedHeron | I wish I was kidding... this is like a year's pay going out the window. |
| 20:57.19 | harleypig | If I can't get to it I'm not going to be impressed. :> |
| 20:57.30 | harleypig | Oh ... didn't know that part. |
| 20:57.33 | RedHeron | harleypig: Hard to impress anyone without a venue. |
| 20:58.02 | harleypig | True. |
| 20:58.21 | Supaplex | RedHeron: how'd standford weasel out? |
| 20:58.59 | RedHeron | Supaplex: It was the whole "I'm swamped, but he can do it" deal, combined with a "if you want our attention, you have to pay us more" deal. |
| 20:59.20 | RedHeron | On top of which, they wanted us suddenly to exclude non-students from it. |
| 20:59.38 | harleypig | How're you gonna find 50K students? |
| 20:59.42 | RedHeron | We aren't. |
| 20:59.48 | RedHeron | Stanford doesn't have that many. |
| 20:59.53 | Supaplex | how retarded. |
| 21:00.43 | Supaplex | sounds like they're uncommited to the cause (nice propaganda to return the favor with) |
| 21:00.43 | RedHeron | So, the rep for my org said: "If you can't handle 50,000 people on the campus, how is anyone expected to be able to enjoy an arts show?" |
| 21:00.44 | harleypig | Does it have to be in SoCal? |
| 21:01.01 | RedHeron | harleypig: Stanford isn't in SoCal, really. |
| 21:01.07 | RedHeron | Stanford is South Bay. |
| 21:01.17 | RedHeron | About 40mi from San Francisco. |
| 21:01.43 | RedHeron | And it doesn't *have* to be anywhere, it was just convenient and they said it would be available. |
| 21:01.45 | harleypig | Hmmm ... I probably knew that at some point ... but I'm not gonna try and weasel out of it. I was wrong. |
| 21:02.24 | RedHeron | Not to mention, they were donating the space (which meant we could give more money to the charity). |
| 21:02.48 | RedHeron | And now anything the Bay Area (premiere art show venue space) is pretty well booked. |
| 21:03.27 | Sargun | Not -anything- in the bay area |
| 21:05.42 | levi | Mall Ninja: http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/ |
| 21:07.11 | tensai | levi: I thought that said Mail Ninjas. like they send you throwing stars in the mail and you have to impale yourself. |
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| 21:09.23 | Sargun | I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America?s largest indoor retail shopping areas. |
| 21:09.26 | Sargun | that's great. |
| 21:09.41 | RedHeron | Yep, not big enough. |
| 21:09.53 | RedHeron | And hard to charge admission to. |
| 21:10.16 | harleypig | omg ... you distracted me from distracting you. |
| 21:10.56 | Sargun | I am also skilled in the art of ninjitsu. |
| 21:10.56 | RedHeron | Sargun: Name something that can hold 50,000 that isn't booked? |
| 21:11.08 | RedHeron | Sargun: I wish I was. I only know kung fu. |
| 21:11.13 | Sargun | Uh, hmm... |
| 21:11.22 | harleypig | BYU Stadium? |
| 21:11.28 | RedHeron | harleypig: Not big enough. |
| 21:11.37 | harleypig | ? It holds more than 65K |
| 21:11.53 | Sargun | hell? |
| 21:11.55 | RedHeron | harleypig: Max capacity for a concert only 75% |
| 21:12.06 | Sargun | San Jose convention center |
| 21:12.11 | RedHeron | Sargun: Booked. |
| 21:12.13 | Sargun | its only booked for 6 months |
| 21:12.23 | Sargun | HP Pavilion is only booked for 9 |
| 21:12.34 | harleypig | ? You mean max capacity for a concert is 3/4s of a venues max capacity? |
| 21:12.41 | RedHeron | Sargun: I'm supposed to have a venue for Memorial Day weekend. |
| 21:12.52 | RedHeron | harleypig: Yes, due to fire and safety rules in most places. |
| 21:13.00 | harleypig | Interesting |
| 21:13.13 | RedHeron | harleypig: They claim it prevents trampling. |
| 21:13.38 | harleypig | Idiotic administrators. |
| 21:13.42 | RedHeron | Yep. |
| 21:14.16 | RedHeron | It's also limited because of where the stage has to be in a stadium. |
| 21:14.32 | RedHeron | Not to mention they have to roll up the astroturf. |
| 21:14.42 | harleypig | What's wrong with a circular (or oval) venue? |
| 21:14.44 | Sargun | RedHeron, For what exactly? |
| 21:14.48 | Sargun | Art venue only? |
| 21:14.54 | harleypig | Temple Square? |
| 21:15.01 | RedHeron | Sargun: Art show w/ a 24-band concert on the side. |
| 21:15.03 | harleypig | or waddles really. |
| 21:15.23 | Sargun | RedHeron, So you have a million dollars of [at least] cash? |
| 21:15.27 | RedHeron | harleypig: Temple Square rejected us last time we went there. |
| 21:15.33 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:15.39 | harleypig | Really? Why? |
| 21:15.52 | harleypig | Who do you work for? |
| 21:16.07 | RedHeron | Sargun: It's promised by the sponsors to line up the venue (and it's more like $150k to make this whole thing self-funding). |
| 21:16.29 | RedHeron | harleypig: lots of people. :-) |
| 21:16.39 | harleypig | okaaay |
| 21:16.55 | RedHeron | harleypig: Temple Square said we couldn't have a gothic band or a laser light show in the Tabernacle. |
| 21:17.20 | RedHeron | Something about "maintaining standards". |
| 21:17.36 | harleypig | I can understand the gothic band part (they tend to be antithesis to the mission of the church) but the laser show? |
| 21:17.52 | harleypig | I like goth, don't get me wrong |
| 21:18.13 | RedHeron | harleypig: Think: bolting down lasers in a 100-year-old wood-and-plaster building. |
| 21:18.22 | harleypig | Sometimes I just don't get the bueracratic (damn spelling) mind. |
| 21:18.36 | harleypig | Oh ... was thinking the new Tabernacle. |
| 21:18.40 | ^Migs^ | I think they aim for more old-school shows. Laser shows, no |
| 21:18.58 | RedHeron | Yeah, it was the whole 'desecration of the premises' argument on that one. |
| 21:19.01 | harleypig | I don't see anything wrong laser shows ... would give the war in heaven a whole new look wouldn't it? |
| 21:19.09 | RedHeron | harleypig: Heh... |
| 21:19.15 | ^Migs^ | OMG LAZERS!!! PEW PEW PEW! |
| 21:19.34 | harleypig | ^Migs^: You owe me a new keyboard! |
| 21:19.49 | RedHeron | zomg I just cussed in the tabernacle! |
| 21:20.12 | ^Migs^ | They'd probably be more open to allowing laser shows in the new conference center, though. The place was built for all kinds of events |
| 21:21.14 | ^Migs^ | now wait, you're in a goth band, RedHeron? |
| 21:21.19 | RedHeron | No. |
| 21:21.23 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 21:21.37 | ^Migs^ | I missed a huge chunk of the conversation |
| 21:21.40 | RedHeron | I'm doing the promoting for a first-time concert venue (the arts festival side... not my problem so much). |
| 21:21.44 | ^Migs^ | and my, uh, scroll-up button is broken |
| 21:22.13 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: To fill you in, it's a concert where we're going to not only promote file-sharing, we're going to film it and upload it to TPB. |
| 21:22.23 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 21:22.45 | RedHeron | Which, by the way, means we can't really do it in Utah. |
| 21:22.51 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I don't think you're going to any LDS Church buildings to help you with something that, for now, is legally questionable |
| 21:23.17 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: It's not legally questionable if we have the written permission of the artists. |
| 21:23.46 | ^Migs^ | it's all indie music? |
| 21:23.54 | RedHeron | That's the plan. |
| 21:23.59 | ^Migs^ | well, that's good |
| 21:24.05 | ^Migs^ | you should have no problem doing such a concert in Utah |
| 21:24.06 | RedHeron | We have no bands yet, because our venue just backed out. |
| 21:24.20 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: Except we can't get 50k people to go in Utah. |
| 21:24.34 | harleypig | what about vegas? |
| 21:24.35 | RedHeron | Largest concert (other than church functions) in Utah: 32k people. |
| 21:24.41 | ^Migs^ | Utah isn't densely populated enough |
| 21:24.46 | ^Migs^ | find somewhere else |
| 21:24.48 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: Right. |
| 21:24.51 | harleypig | and you might just get raided by swat |
| 21:24.53 | RedHeron | harleypig: That's where I'm looking right now. |
| 21:24.55 | ^Migs^ | yeah, try Vegas |
| 21:25.00 | ^Migs^ | or really, anywhere but Utah |
| 21:25.06 | ^Migs^ | if you need that many people, at least |
| 21:25.09 | RedHeron | Vegas is okay, but... WHERE??? |
| 21:25.16 | ^Migs^ | wtf, that's your job |
| 21:25.26 | harleypig | the Las Vegas Temple? |
| 21:25.30 | harleypig | *snicker* |
| 21:25.39 | ^Migs^ | David Lanz is going to Springdale, Utah this summer |
| 21:25.43 | RedHeron | harleypig: Only if they'd be willing to sell it to us. :-) |
| 21:25.48 | harleypig | I've got to go start getting dinner ready. |
| 21:25.49 | ^Migs^ | I imagine there'll be, what, 10 people attending? |
| 21:25.51 | harleypig | *choke* |
| 21:26.12 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: Lanz is... okay, that doesn't make much sense to me, unless he knows someone there...? |
| 21:26.27 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I didn't get it either. He's apparently teaching music workshops or something |
| 21:26.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure |
| 21:26.40 | beandog | ^Migs^, really? |
| 21:26.42 | ^Migs^ | I mean, he's come to Salt Lake City before, and had an okay turnout |
| 21:26.51 | beandog | when? |
| 21:26.52 | ^Migs^ | not fantastic, but not bad |
| 21:26.55 | ^Migs^ | few years ago, I think |
| 21:27.04 | beandog | no I mean whens he coming |
| 21:27.08 | ^Migs^ | http://www.davidlanz.com/concerts.shtml |
| 21:27.09 | brac | [David's Concert and Piano Workshop Schedule] |
| 21:27.13 | ^Migs^ | June 13th - 15th |
| 21:27.15 | ^Migs^ | Zion Flute Festival |
| 21:27.27 | beandog | theres a festival just for flute? |
| 21:27.29 | beandog | flutes |
| 21:27.31 | ^Migs^ | apparently |
| 21:27.35 | ^Migs^ | in Springdale |
| 21:27.40 | ^Migs^ | does anybody even live in Springdale? |
| 21:27.45 | beandog | Why dont we have a renaissance festival? utah sucks. |
| 21:27.54 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: Yes, there are like 15 people there. |
| 21:28.00 | RedHeron | beandog: We do. |
| 21:28.05 | ^Migs^ | what are you talking about? |
| 21:28.15 | tensai | RedHeron: don't forget the 7 chickens. everybody forgets them. |
| 21:28.18 | ^Migs^ | and what about the Shakespearean Festival? |
| 21:28.24 | beandog | what about it |
| 21:28.24 | RedHeron | beandog: Except we call it the 'Shakespearean Festival'. |
| 21:28.24 | ^Migs^ | that's a huge event |
| 21:28.27 | beandog | pfft. |
| 21:28.29 | beandog | that's nothing. |
| 21:28.37 | RedHeron | beandog: It's what Utah has. |
| 21:28.41 | ^Migs^ | people come from all over the West to attend it |
| 21:28.41 | beandog | Go to the Georgia Renn. Festival. That'll knock your eyeballs out |
| 21:28.56 | RedHeron | And I've been to the USF, it was awesome, but not a lot of people there. |
| 21:28.59 | ^Migs^ | well, of course. The East Coast has bigger stuff, more people in attendance, larger budgets. |
| 21:29.01 | ^Migs^ | I fail to see your point. |
| 21:29.13 | beandog | This one is smack dab in the middle of nowhere, in a huge forest |
| 21:29.16 | beandog | its awesome |
| 21:29.27 | ^Migs^ | Utah will always have better scenery than anywhere else in the U.S. |
| 21:29.41 | ^Migs^ | what that has to do with anything, I don't know |
| 21:29.41 | beandog | LOL |
| 21:29.44 | beandog | Oh man. |
| 21:29.47 | beandog | Thats hilarious. |
| 21:30.05 | ^Migs^ | there you go spouting incorrect opinions again |
| 21:30.09 | beandog | heh |
| 21:30.10 | beandog | :) |
| 21:30.19 | ^Migs^ | when will you learn my opinions are always RIGHT? |
| 21:40.03 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: About the time that you learn that people can agree fiercely. |
| 22:05.06 | emcnabb | our dog just ate our camera card |
| 22:05.35 | emcnabb | it was a 2GB SD card too :-( |
| 22:06.50 | beandog | did you have any incriminating photos on there? |
| 22:08.29 | emcnabb | no, just pictures of our daughter's first birthday party |
| 22:08.29 | Sargun | emcnabb, I'm sorry |
| 22:08.32 | mrpull | anybody have a recent Harmony remote control? |
| 22:08.57 | emcnabb | my wife had taken it out of the camera to put them on the computer |
| 22:09.28 | Sargun | emcnabb, Though, someone did a test of thumbdrive, and it made it though the dog. |
| 22:10.46 | Sargun | they put it in a microwave (killed), clothes dryer (data corrupted), clothes washer (survived), dishwasher (survived) |
| 22:10.52 | emcnabb | Sargun, it's a little dog, so I guess she had to chew it |
| 22:11.16 | Sargun | Oh. :-( |
| 22:12.31 | Sargun | My advice: http://www.allerca.com/ |
| 22:12.33 | brac | [LIFESTYLE PETS] |
| 22:13.47 | ^Migs^ | Sell the dog to petsorfood.com |
| 22:14.06 | Sargun | hehe |
| 22:15.30 | sargun_screen | I know. |
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| 22:36.37 | nick125 | sargun_screen: I thought they went out of business |
| 22:41.31 | beandog | how can you go out of business when a kitten only costs $7900? |
| 22:41.45 | nick125 | by selling a $7900 kitten. |
| 22:41.52 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/img/freecat.jpg |
| 22:42.36 | nick125 | For $7900, do you get a warranty? |
| 22:42.39 | findlay | hello |
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| 22:50.42 | findlay | sargun_screen: well, thermal energy will destroy it, sure, as will EM energy |
| 22:50.56 | findlay | dish/clothes washers are just a bunch of water |
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| 23:31.37 | brac | bots should only speak when spoken to thing of your green beard? |
| 23:32.08 | findlay | stupid computer keeps locking up |
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