| 00:06.05 | RyanE | food science |
| 00:06.16 | RyanE | lunch lady, specifically. :) |
| 00:06.27 | dataw0lf | explosives |
| 00:06.47 | RyanE | game theory |
| 00:07.11 | atoponce | religion |
| 00:08.00 | dataw0lf | explosive guns |
| 00:08.31 | atoponce | music theory |
| 00:08.51 | atoponce | delicatessens |
| 00:08.55 | dataw0lf | biological weaponization |
| 00:09.12 | atoponce | ~shoot dataw0lf |
| 00:09.13 | ibot | ACTION shoots dataw0lf in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 00:09.30 | dataw0lf | chemical weaponization |
| 00:10.03 | RyanE | rock weaponization |
| 00:10.11 | RyanE | shoe weaponization |
| 00:11.19 | dataw0lf | underwear weaponization |
| 00:12.12 | RyanE | weapon underwearization |
| 00:12.22 | dataw0lf | mmmm, good one |
| 00:12.24 | dataw0lf | http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080225/NEWS01/802250418/1008/NEWS01 |
| 00:12.27 | dataw0lf | whaz-huh? |
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| 00:22.59 | sjansen | How did I survive before FlashBlock? |
| 00:23.12 | tensai | sjansen: in excruciating pain |
| 00:25.57 | synic | any of you use lilypod for guitar music? |
| 00:35.09 | synic | heh, lilypond. |
| 00:44.15 | Supaplex | there was a day when flash whitenoise wasn't part of many web pages. |
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| 01:10.58 | harleypig | who is cameron? and what did he die of? |
| 01:11.49 | RyanE | context... I'm sure there have been many Cameron who have died of various causes. |
| 01:12.03 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.19 | RyanE | I'm sure *one* of them did... |
| 01:12.34 | herlo | of which cameron do you speak? |
| 01:12.35 | harleypig | In my facebook account under Popular events in the Provo, UT network is "Cameron's Funeral" |
| 01:12.52 | harleypig | I didn't think anyone would know ... just tossing stuff out. |
| 01:13.08 | herlo | harleypig: do you really use facebook a lot? |
| 01:13.38 | harleypig | yes and no ... I don't use it to it's full potential, but I keep it relatively updated. |
| 01:14.27 | RyanE | http://www.togetherwecam.org/ |
| 01:15.21 | herlo | harleypig: hmm, do you also do 2ndLife? |
| 01:22.51 | sjansen | redbeard2: nerd |
| 01:25.08 | atoponce | hah |
| 01:30.34 | herlo | RyanE: you coming to gamenight tonight? |
| 01:34.03 | herlo | hehe |
| 01:37.37 | Supaplex | humm |
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| 02:21.41 | rsimpkins | Great article: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-weaver20feb20,0,1675278.story |
| 02:21.45 | brac | [Copyright this - Los Angeles Times] |
| 02:21.55 | rsimpkins | If IP is property - where is the property tax? |
| 02:22.46 | Supaplex | don't encourage them |
| 02:23.18 | rsimpkins | I think it is a great idea. |
| 02:23.27 | rsimpkins | Base the tax on the value of the IP. |
| 02:23.49 | rsimpkins | The more valuable the IP the more you're going to be invested in ensuring you get money from it. |
| 02:23.57 | rsimpkins | It'd stop these IP lawsuits dead cold. |
| 02:24.10 | nick125 | rsimpkins: hah. |
| 02:24.32 | rsimpkins | I'm tellin' ya - people need to ask this question. |
| 02:24.36 | rsimpkins | Where is the micky mouse tax? |
| 02:25.02 | rsimpkins | Disney should be paying through the nose for the tax there. |
| 02:25.36 | rsimpkins | They should be audited and assesed just like real property - or stop calling it real property and we can all get on with our lives. |
| 02:25.43 | rsimpkins | But make up your mind - is it property or not? |
| 02:26.01 | rsimpkins | Is an idea property? If so - tax the idea. :) |
| 02:27.12 | nick125 | Great idea. |
| 02:27.30 | rsimpkins | yes, I should be paying tax on it. |
| 02:27.34 | nick125 | haha |
| 02:27.58 | rsimpkins | Everyone will stop thinking the day ideas cost money. :) |
| 02:28.19 | Supaplex | that gives me a great idea! |
| 02:28.20 | rsimpkins | Or they'll be real careful about the ideas they come up with to ensure they can make enough money to cover the tax. |
| 02:28.56 | Supaplex | </overused-pun> |
| 02:29.37 | rsimpkins | A more sane approach is anything that can be patented or copyrighted can be taxed... and you can get a tax exempt status as well. |
| 02:29.54 | rsimpkins | That way things like the kernel would have to apply for tax exempt IP status. |
| 02:30.23 | rsimpkins | But the article brings up how crazy this whole line of thinking is. |
| 02:30.41 | rsimpkins | How ideas and intellectual 'property' isn't actually property at all. |
| 02:57.36 | harleypig | herlo: yeah, I'm in secondlife, are you? |
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| 03:30.59 | lakshmi | hey |
| 03:31.19 | Supaplex | are you the monkies? |
| 03:31.38 | lakshmi | huh? |
| 03:31.47 | lakshmi | idk where my ipod is ! |
| 03:38.25 | lakshmi | this is disturbing |
| 03:39.25 | elg | no idk |
| 03:43.12 | Supaplex | speaking of disturbing things like sendmail, 03:41 < GumbyBRAIN> M4 should be able to deal with masochists. |
| 03:44.31 | elg | ok, so on the heels of my experimentation with lilypond and whatnot earlier, my aunt called in a panic and needs me to transpose a piano part down a 3rd. so I need to actually enter a bunch of notes and transpose them and make a pdf or something |
| 03:44.51 | elg | i know a half dozen ways to do this, but I'm not sure which will be the fastest. anyone have any thoughts? |
| 03:45.19 | elg | something with midi entry would be awesomest |
| 03:45.43 | elg | i'm leaning towards rosegarden |
| 03:45.47 | elg | with lilypond output |
| 03:47.31 | tensai | elg: that's what I use and I find it easy enough |
| 03:47.50 | tensai | elg: the tweaks I had to make to the .ly were mainly regarding lyrics |
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| 04:28.38 | levi | Good evening. |
| 04:29.01 | levi | So, my compiler is successfully doing some semantic analysis now. |
| 04:29.10 | levi | I just need to add in the last few bits of type checking. |
| 04:38.49 | rsimpkins | What's the vim shortcut to increment a number? |
| 04:39.02 | Supaplex | ^A |
| 04:39.10 | rsimpkins | Thank you sir. |
| 04:39.13 | Supaplex | np |
| 04:43.28 | lakshmi | im bored |
| 04:43.32 | lakshmi | ~entertain lakshmi |
| 04:43.33 | ibot | ACTION shows lakshmi a magic trick while scuba dancing on black and white movie reels |
| 05:09.26 | herlo | harleypig: thinking about it, but I've yet to install the client |
| 05:45.46 | harleypig | herlo: it's fascinating, but you tend to walk/fly into places that aren't always family friendly, otherwise its a lot of fun. Not sure how much money, if any, you could make with it though. |
| 05:46.03 | harleypig | Despite some people making thousands off it ... I think they are a small minority. |
| 05:51.42 | RyanE | herlo: 30 minutes to get home... |
| 05:51.46 | RyanE | not bad |
| 05:54.17 | herlo | RyanE: nice |
| 05:54.29 | herlo | harleypig: I don't care about the family friendly stuff |
| 05:54.29 | RyanE | yeah, I made "good time" |
| 05:54.50 | herlo | RyanE: glad to hear, that bodes well for next time |
| 05:55.28 | RyanE | yeah, going home at 9:30 really cuts down on traffic... :) |
| 05:57.24 | harleypig | herlo: heh ... it's not that hard to get set up, the linux client is solid, even though its still in alpha. And if you spend enough time you're going to want to install the Cool Viewer, which is a nicer version built by a user who got fed up with the standard client :> |
| 05:58.12 | harleypig | I personally think that virtual worlds (even if not SL) is going to be one of the technologies that our kids will be using on a regular basis. |
| 05:58.39 | harleypig | For myself, I need to keep up with it to be aware of what my kids are using. |
| 05:58.47 | harleypig | It doesnt hurt that I have fun with it too :D |
| 05:59.46 | harleypig | Oh, how COOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0 |
| 06:00.02 | harleypig | Craftsman 3D Printer for the toolbench. |
| 06:00.18 | harleypig | Works with soft wood, plastic and foam. |
| 06:00.51 | harleypig | Design your project on your pc and "print" it out on this in your garage. |
| 06:01.14 | RyanE | yeah, I saw an ad for that the other night. |
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| 06:04.57 | harleypig | Craftsman has such a good reputation ... I wonder if they've done their usual qality control |
| 06:05.48 | harleypig | Umm ... I just noticed that link ... that's not the right link. *blush* |
| 06:06.26 | harleypig | http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921754000P |
| 06:06.27 | brac | [Craftsman CompuCarve Computer-Controlled Compact Woodworking Machine - Model 21754 at Sears.com] |
| 07:18.49 | Heartswang | haha |
| 07:18.53 | Heartswang | this rocks |
| 07:18.58 | Heartswang | that's what she said |
| 07:25.51 | Heartswang | hey, who took my man card? |
| 07:26.22 | Heartswang | Damn you maacnewbold |
| 07:39.50 | Heartsbane | macnewbold needs serious psychiatric care |
| 07:39.57 | Heartsbane | macnewbold: you got that |
| 07:40.37 | RedHeron | Yeah, but you're the one who's upset of the loss of his MAN-hood... ;-) |
| 07:41.48 | Supaplex | ???!? |
| 07:41.58 | Heartsbane | Supaplex: you don't want to know |
| 07:42.33 | Supaplex | no argument here. :P |
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| 07:47.48 | herlo | haha, its just a man-card harleypig |
| 07:47.55 | herlo | haha, its just a man-card Heartsbane |
| 07:48.03 | herlo | harleypig: sorry man |
| 07:52.04 | RyanE | no dropping my cards in salsa, OK? |
| 07:55.13 | herlo | RyanE: oh joy |
| 08:10.10 | herlo | :) hehe, at least Heartsbane recognizes it wasn't me |
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| 09:20.25 | Sargun | sleep 3600 |
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| 09:53.00 | lakshmi | sleep or study? |
| 09:53.04 | lakshmi | ~random |
| 10:08.34 | lakshmi | phail |
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| 13:57.44 | elg | -chat |
| 13:57.49 | brac | I thought I saved some. |
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| 14:15.31 | ibot | gnaws on ^Migs^'s ears mmmm carrots, my flavorate NOM NOM NOM |
| 14:16.06 | ^Migs^ | check this out: http://www.kloonigames.com/crayon/ |
| 14:16.13 | brac | [Crayon Physics Deluxe] |
| 14:19.00 | harleypig | That looks like a customization of Phun |
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| 15:38.49 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ZL9gTsxb8 |
| 15:39.02 | fozzmoo | "Get yours today!" |
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| 15:46.49 | elg | anyone know what the best choice(s) for internet are in saratoga springs? |
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| 16:01.41 | RyanE | elg: I think it comes down to smoke signals or pony express... :) |
| 16:01.50 | RyanE | elg: which is better depends on the wind. |
| 16:02.05 | herlo | ~lart RyanE |
| 16:02.05 | ibot | hauls RyanE up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
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| 16:02.46 | RyanE | herlo: speaking of spanking, did you get spanked again in another game of Mag*Blast? |
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| 16:05.06 | herlo | RyanE: nope, I almost won, it was a tossup between me and Heartsbane |
| 16:05.24 | herlo | or who we now refer to Heartswang, because he lost his man-card |
| 16:06.14 | RyanE | I'm not sure if I dare ask what his 'man-card' was... |
| 16:06.49 | herlo | RyanE: I'm actually unsure how the discussion came to be, actually, but macnewbold knows |
| 16:07.10 | herlo | but you are probably suspecting correctly |
| 16:10.26 | atoponce | herlo: so, how's f9? |
| 16:11.00 | herlo | atoponce: I'm using it right now. |
| 16:11.15 | herlo | atoponce: mind you, this is the dev branch, rawhide actually |
| 16:11.20 | atoponce | yeah |
| 16:11.22 | atoponce | and? |
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| 16:12.16 | atoponce | how do you like it? |
| 16:12.31 | herlo | well, other than I can't use keyboard shortcuts inside, and FF3 is slow, its fine |
| 16:12.47 | herlo | it booted a bit faster, I can still watch my movies |
| 16:13.49 | herlo | there was some heartache getting the gui to work, but I eventually just installed the kmod-fglrx (ati) and its working now. |
| 16:13.52 | Supaplex | any wikimarkup or CSS gurus about? How can I alter the default behaivor of <pre> to act like a <span> ? maybe I can style= override the <pre> *shrug* |
| 16:14.13 | herlo | it seems pretty solid, except for the GNOME stuff atm |
| 16:14.37 | atoponce | Supaplex: you want pre to act like inline, rather than block? |
| 16:15.08 | atoponce | Supaplex: display: inline; <-- will work for that |
| 16:15.10 | Supaplex | display: inline; is that it? (yes to your Q? btw) |
| 16:15.19 | Supaplex | thanks for the memory jogger. |
| 16:15.26 | atoponce | np |
| 16:17.10 | Supaplex | thanks :) fruits of the labor: http://www.freeside.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Template:ContextSensitiveHelp |
| 16:20.40 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
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| 16:23.47 | herlo | atoponce: so here's how it goes. Yesterday, I downloaded 1.3G of packages, today its 279 M more |
| 16:24.20 | atoponce | heh |
| 16:24.24 | atoponce | that sounds like beta |
| 16:25.50 | herlo | atoponce: well, rawhide is the dev track |
| 16:25.52 | herlo | so yeah |
| 16:27.52 | fozzmoo | someone know about TortoiseCVS-like stuff for Mac? |
| 16:28.07 | herlo | fozzmoo: you run a mac? |
| 16:28.24 | fozzmoo | No, but I'm helping someone who runs a Mac. |
| 16:28.31 | fozzmoo | Me, I'd just use cvs at the CLI |
| 16:29.14 | elg | for cvs only? |
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| 16:29.23 | elg | or any vcs? |
| 16:29.38 | dataw0lf | mmm TortoiseSVN |
| 16:29.52 | elg | i'm not sure about cvs (though I know xcode supports it), but I know there's a number of oss/freeware/shareware svn gui clients |
| 16:32.52 | elg | not that I use any of them |
| 16:32.58 | elg | cli all the way |
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| 16:40.57 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand why the EU is fining Microsoft. Just because Europe sucks and doesn't have anyone to compete with them, Microsoft is getting punished? |
| 16:42.09 | jsmith | "Failure to Comply" |
| 16:42.18 | ^Migs^ | how were they supposed to comply? |
| 16:43.07 | jsmith | They were supposed to provide documentation to their APIs, for one thing |
| 16:43.18 | jsmith | Which they've repeatedly avoided doing |
| 16:43.49 | ^Migs^ | I think MS should just pull out of Europe. See what chaos happens when no one can use their computers. |
| 16:47.12 | dataw0lf | right, because it's not like numerous European organizations aren't already prepping their infrastructure for a move to Linux or another OS (or have already done so) |
| 16:51.40 | goozbach | svn rocks |
| 16:51.47 | goozbach | mucho more than CVS anyway |
| 16:51.56 | findlay | I find it amusing that the documentation for LaTeX classes is always a long, detailed PDF file, because if somebody's interested enough in TeX to write a package they're probably one of those kinds of people who like typesetting, complicated documents |
| 16:54.10 | jsmith | findlay: Funny... most of the DocBook documentation is written in ... DocBook, of course! |
| 16:54.55 | beandog | docbook ftw |
| 16:55.02 | herlo | yay |
| 16:55.14 | findlay | GROFF FTW! |
| 16:55.26 | findlay | runoff FTW!! |
| 16:55.29 | findlay | :-) |
| 16:56.12 | jsmith | beandog: I didn't know you liked DocBook |
| 16:56.19 | beandog | oh yah |
| 16:56.23 | beandog | I love DocBook |
| 16:56.31 | beandog | nopies |
| 16:56.33 | beandog | write the XML in vim |
| 16:56.35 | beandog | then parse it up |
| 16:56.37 | beandog | good stuff. |
| 16:56.52 | findlay | jsmith: doesn't sjansen use docbook for the guru docs? |
| 16:56.53 | beandog | http://scriptures.nephi.org/docbook/ot/ |
| 16:56.55 | beandog | whee! |
| 16:57.13 | findlay | or that was ConTeXt |
| 16:57.14 | beandog | that one took a long time to type up. |
| 16:57.23 | jsmith | findlay: Nope... he uses Xiphias (which unfortunately isn't open source) |
| 16:57.45 | findlay | what? sjansen not use open source :-0 |
| 16:58.14 | findlay | doesn't that violate some kind of universal conservation law? |
| 16:58.52 | jsmith | beandog: What, no cross-references? |
| 16:59.01 | goozbach | findlay: it's not entirely by choice. Xiphias has quite a lot of Guru's secret sauce incorporated in it. |
| 16:59.14 | beandog | jsmith, meh |
| 16:59.22 | beandog | you people are never satisfied |
| 16:59.23 | beandog | :) |
| 16:59.33 | findlay | ugh, secret sause |
| 16:59.44 | findlay | secret sauce always gives me digestive tract problems |
| 16:59.47 | herlo | goozbach: name 3 things in Xiphias that are needed for GL docs that docbook can't do |
| 17:00.50 | jsmith | herlo: Good slide generation? |
| 17:02.23 | goozbach | slides, the file edit dialog, and a good landscape layout ( without a lot of work ). |
| 17:04.08 | herlo | jsmith: I am sure there good ones, but I figured that docbook could do the above |
| 17:04.47 | goozbach | my knolege is about two/three years out of date however |
| 17:05.05 | jsmith | Most of the DocBook slides XSL stylesheets are ugly as sin |
| 17:05.17 | jsmith | I wish they weren't, but I don't have the time right now to make them better |
| 17:05.47 | herlo | goozbach: its true, but those things haven't left xiphias |
| 17:06.25 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/gtk-no-fonts.png |
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| 17:06.29 | goozbach | jsmith: can't you just write a new one? |
| 17:06.39 | elg | anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? gtk2 from macports, happens on all gtk apps |
| 17:06.45 | goozbach | maybe I'll add slide generation as a feature for markbook |
| 17:06.49 | bonez44 | any of you use listyourself.net? |
| 17:06.49 | jsmith | goozbach: Absolutely... if I had the time, patience, and know-how |
| 17:07.06 | jsmith | goozbach: After I point you to asciidoc, you still have to write your own, eh? |
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| 17:07.26 | goozbach | jsmith: I don't like the syntax |
| 17:07.34 | goozbach | markdown is soo much cleaner/easier |
| 17:07.43 | jsmith | goozbach: What would be really nice is if it would make SVG slides |
| 17:08.00 | jsmith | goozbach: (and PDF, of course) |
| 17:08.00 | goozbach | I may just end up writing an input plugin for asciidoc |
| 17:08.32 | levi | Good morning. |
| 17:08.38 | levi | Markdown is a PITA to parse. |
| 17:08.49 | levi | But I like its end-user interface. |
| 17:10.08 | bonez44 | PITA? Pain in the ahhhhh now I get it |
| 17:10.44 | jsmith | Pain in the ASCII? |
| 17:11.05 | bonez44 | ah....ArSCII... |
| 17:19.10 | goozbach | levi: I know, but it already has a parser which outputs XHTML :) |
| 17:19.21 | goozbach | which is relativley easy to parse |
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| 17:35.07 | sjansen | I'm not just old. I've been around the block so many times I'm getting dizzy. |
| 17:35.30 | fozzmoo | sjansen: heh. |
| 17:35.31 | herlo | sjansen: we know that's not true, you've never been around the block |
| 17:35.46 | fozzmoo | herlo: hee. :) |
| 17:35.47 | herlo | however, I've seen you dizzied before |
| 17:36.51 | macnewbold | ~mancard Heartsbane |
| 17:36.55 | macnewbold | ~guycard Heartsbane |
| 17:37.01 | macnewbold | g'day, herlo |
| 17:37.51 | herlo | macnewbold: hola |
| 17:38.12 | RyanE | morning, mac. |
| 17:38.27 | Supaplex | 'old kids around the block' |
| 17:38.34 | macnewbold | howdy, RyanE |
| 17:38.45 | macnewbold | thanks for leaving the game last night, we played twice more, and I won one of them |
| 17:39.00 | macnewbold | despite never getting a mag-blast capable ship the entire time, it was a lot of fun |
| 17:39.47 | RyanE | glad to hear it. |
| 17:40.28 | herlo | RyanE: that was the game that I didn't play much in, he really had no competition because Otis and Heartsbane decided to kill me early and kill me often |
| 17:40.41 | RyanE | herlo: a good policy, indeed. |
| 17:40.51 | herlo | ~lart RyanE |
| 17:40.51 | ibot | puts RyanE into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of RyanE's hair of |
| 17:41.02 | RyanE | I tell ya, that game is all about reinforcements. Nothing else matters. |
| 17:41.08 | herlo | RyanE: you have so little hair left, not sure how I pulled that off... |
| 17:41.16 | herlo | :) |
| 17:41.29 | RyanE | yeah, the brains have been pushin' it out. |
| 17:41.55 | herlo | hehe |
| 17:42.00 | Supaplex | ibot goes for eyebrows after hair. |
| 17:44.56 | dataw0lf | herlo: what game is that? |
| 17:45.24 | herlo | MagBlast |
| 17:45.40 | herlo | dataw0lf: you should have come over, if only you were in Utah! |
| 17:46.10 | dataw0lf | yar |
| 17:50.25 | RyanE | yeah, you could've parked behind the car that was parked behind the car that parked behind me. |
| 17:51.03 | herlo | hehe |
| 17:51.14 | herlo | RyanE: I'll figure that parking stuff out someday |
| 17:52.20 | RyanE | you'll install some driveable Costco shelving... :) |
| 18:01.44 | herlo | RyanE: exactly. |
| 18:02.52 | herlo | RyanE: I should point out, that I saw this article in Discover IIRc, about a car company in Germany that has their cars in a silo like building, with shelves that when a customer wants to test-drive or buy, they just click a few buttons and the computerized elevator, goes and gets the car and brings it down from its shelf |
| 18:03.08 | RyanE | Yeah, I've seen one in NYC |
| 18:03.13 | levi | That would be Volkswagen, I think. |
| 18:03.14 | RyanE | not too far from our hotel. |
| 18:03.24 | RyanE | but it was obviously a parking garage. |
| 18:03.44 | RyanE | I'm pretty sure it was a *self*-parking garage, too, which is pretty cool. |
| 18:07.14 | herlo | yeah |
| 18:16.36 | levi | The garage parks itself? Where, in a garage-parking garage? |
| 18:16.54 | RyanE | levi: yes, exactly. It's quite the sight. |
| 18:17.00 | RyanE | only in NYC! |
| 18:17.11 | RyanE | in Soviet Russia, the car parks you! |
| 18:20.40 | levi | Hmm, where do I want to get lunch today? |
| 18:21.47 | RyanE | levi: Antarctica. You may want to tell them you'll be a *tad bit* late returning. |
| 18:23.35 | levi | I don't think there are any good restaurants there. |
| 18:24.11 | levi | And I'm uncomfortably hungry now, so I can't imagine how famished I'd be by the time I arrived to find the lack of restaurants. |
| 18:24.49 | RyanE | I'm sure the research stations have cafeterias. |
| 18:24.56 | thaddeusq | levi: Legal Seafood has always been good to me |
| 18:25.50 | sjansen | And that should be a much shorter trip. |
| 18:26.06 | levi | Where's Legal Seafood? |
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| 18:26.47 | goozbach | is there Illegal seafood? |
| 18:29.15 | thaddeusq | levi: http://www.legalseafoods.com/index.cfm/page/Locations-Listing-/pid/11279 |
| 18:30.24 | thaddeusq | goozbach: "If it isn't fresh, it isn't Legal!" |
| 18:30.24 | levi | I think the east coast is a little bit far, too. |
| 18:30.41 | levi | How about the SLC area? :P |
| 18:31.00 | thaddeusq | ohhh. Why didn't you say that in the first place? |
| 18:31.01 | sjansen | You can't go wrong at Thaifoon |
| 18:31.28 | levi | Forget you guys, I'm going to go get a sandwich at Village Baker. |
| 18:31.41 | goozbach | I had a sandwich made by my wife |
| 18:31.44 | goozbach | it was tasty |
| 18:32.03 | levi | Yeah, if I had a sandwich made by my wife, it would have been tasty too. |
| 18:32.04 | sjansen | Well, if you're going to be ungrateful, we won't help next time. |
| 18:32.14 | goozbach | since we got married, I've only eaten out during lunch once. |
| 18:32.20 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:33.37 | levi | Well, you haven't been married very long. :) |
| 18:33.45 | ^Migs^ | you don't take your wife out to lunch sometimes? |
| 18:33.52 | Supaplex | goozbach: she has you eatting out of her hand ;) |
| 18:34.20 | ^Migs^ | I make awesome lunches. I don't need to eat out for lunch. |
| 19:02.45 | levi | Mine is similar, except for roast beef instead of ham and no pepper. And it was made by Village Baker. |
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| 19:06.11 | nick125 | hehe |
| 19:06.49 | Supaplex | i'm flattered it's tempting enough for others to eat. :} |
| 19:08.33 | nick125 | let's see what kind of meats we have here.....hmm....bologna and ham and cheese loaf |
| 19:09.20 | nick125 | oh look, maybe a package of ham |
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| 19:16.36 | nick125 | mmm....cotto salami, bologna, ham with american cheese, tomato, light salt and pepper, and italian dressing. |
| 19:16.49 | Supaplex | what kind of idiotic fool sends a fax to a cell number? |
| 19:17.01 | nick125 | an idiotic fool |
| 19:17.09 | levi | A spammer. |
| 19:18.13 | Supaplex | a clueless spammer at that. |
| 19:18.44 | Supaplex | note like they care |
| 19:23.13 | elg | http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~dkw/C-humor/pasta.txt |
| 19:26.00 | levi | Heh, ravioli-code. |
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| 19:38.53 | nick125 | Anyone here know how to set wpa_supplicant to wait a certain period of time before reassociating? |
| 19:39.16 | nick125 | Basically, if I shut the door in my room, I lose my wireless connection, which kills my NFS mount, which kills mplayer. |
| 19:43.33 | elg | remove the hinges |
| 19:44.05 | dataw0lf | download the porn THEN close the door |
| 20:05.51 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 20:13.16 | levi | I need a caffeine IV drip today. :P |
| 20:17.12 | sontek | I hear cocaine works well |
| 20:18.49 | macnewbold | ~lart Heartsbane |
| 20:18.49 | ibot | puts Heartsbane into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Heartsbane's hair of |
| 20:18.53 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:19.12 | levi | Yeah, and meth, too, but they're illegal. :P |
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| 20:20.58 | levi | Not to mention a bit more dangerous to use than caffeine. |
| 20:21.23 | nearn | who ever told you that is a facist. |
| 20:22.15 | levi | Is a 'facist' someone who discriminates based on faces? |
| 20:22.30 | levi | (or maybe you meant fascist?) |
| 20:22.35 | nearn | and drugs |
| 20:22.55 | nearn | no i ment facist. cause I am awesome like that. |
| 20:23.00 | levi | You aren't one of those filthy illegal drug advocates, are you? |
| 20:23.35 | nearn | umm no |
| 20:23.39 | nearn | <.< |
| 20:23.41 | nearn | >.> |
| 20:25.08 | levi | Hmm, I wonder how well Ubuntu Mobile would run on something like an eepc. |
| 20:26.05 | goozbach | you know what would be cool? |
| 20:26.11 | nearn | i have not looked into ubuntu moble yet. what is yout opinion on it? |
| 20:26.20 | goozbach | if they sold doritos cheese in a shaker |
| 20:26.41 | levi | I don't have one, except that its page on ubuntu.com looks promising. |
| 20:26.59 | levi | goozbach: That would not be cool. |
| 20:27.08 | goozbach | yes it would |
| 20:27.13 | goozbach | I can see it now... |
| 20:27.37 | goozbach | "man! I just have plain tortilla chips! and I just ran out of salsa" |
| 20:27.47 | levi | You could probably create a reasonable facsimile by getting some MSG powder, some onion powder, and some cheeze powder from Mac&Cheese. |
| 20:27.54 | goozbach | -- "here you go!" *shake* *shake* |
| 20:28.05 | goozbach | -- *crunch* "THANKS!" |
| 20:28.12 | levi | I like eating plain tortilla chips plain. |
| 20:28.19 | jsmith | levi: My thoughts exactly... add a pinch of cayenne pepper |
| 20:28.20 | goozbach | weirdo |
| 20:28.27 | goozbach | both of you |
| 20:28.30 | tensai | ~stupid mail servers that treat 451 as a permanent error |
| 20:30.25 | nearn | sounds like a personal problem. |
| 20:31.17 | jsmith | tensai: 4xx problems typically are permanent, aren't they? |
| 20:31.20 | levi | Apparently they've got cheese powder, buttermilk powder, flour, whey protein, tomato powder, onion powder, whey powder, garlic powder, dextrose, sugar, and spices. |
| 20:34.43 | levi | I think the cheese powder, onion powder, garlic powder, and some salt would make a reasonable base. |
| 20:37.19 | nick125 | Anyone here have any comments about the WRT54GL? |
| 20:40.23 | tensai | nick125: much better than the wrt54g v5 |
| 20:40.23 | Aliosa27 | they are fun.. |
| 20:40.38 | nick125 | I'm wondering range-wise, etc. |
| 20:41.03 | Aliosa27 | on a v5 you cant remove the antennas like you can on a v4/L |
| 20:41.23 | Aliosa27 | well , without cracking it open |
| 20:42.11 | levi | http://www.thespicehouse.com/spices/tomato-powder |
| 20:43.06 | nick125 | Aliosa27: That's useful. |
| 20:43.21 | sjansen | http://penguicon.org/ <-- Wow. Just.... wow... |
| 20:43.47 | Tene | sjansen: what about it? |
| 20:43.53 | levi | Science Fiction and Open Source Software Convention? |
| 20:44.04 | Tene | sjansen: if you're going, hurry up with your hotel registration. They have fewer than 15 rooms left. |
| 20:44.35 | ^Migs^ | lol, the other web guy here thought we had to buy each of our subdomains |
| 20:44.37 | ^Migs^ | holy noob |
| 20:44.37 | levi | How weird. |
| 20:44.43 | Tene | I've been persuaded to give a talk on Parrot there. |
| 20:45.09 | levi | I don't think I'm geeky enough to go to a conference like that. |
| 20:47.04 | sjansen | Tene: Holy geekiness, Bat Man. F/OSS + Sci Fi? My mind is stil reeling. |
| 20:49.15 | Tene | You've looked through the Events list, right? |
| 20:49.21 | sjansen | To paraphrase Theodore Geisel: "Oh the things you'll see." |
| 20:49.41 | unum | ^Migs^: maybe your web guy worked at usu previously :) |
| 20:50.48 | unum | sjansen: but can you quote from his book "the seven ladies godiva" |
| 20:50.49 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.25 | unum | at use each computer got one free subdomain. you had to pay $10 a year to the central it department for each additional sub domain |
| 20:54.30 | goozbach | sudo is much more powerful than I thought. |
| 20:54.41 | goozbach | I just read through the sudoers man page |
| 20:54.46 | goozbach | my head is reeling |
| 20:56.13 | ^Migs^ | that's retarded |
| 20:56.22 | ^Migs^ | and besides, we are the central IT department :) |
| 20:56.46 | ^Migs^ | and trust me, he hasn't worked at USU. I'm not sure how he slipped into our IT department. |
| 20:56.53 | ^Migs^ | well, actually I do know how. He BSed in his job interview. |
| 20:56.57 | nick125 | haha |
| 20:57.10 | unum | ^Migs^: ever read thedailywtf? |
| 20:57.25 | ^Migs^ | haha that's funny, I was just thinking I should keep a journal of all the stuff this guy does and submit it to thedailywtf |
| 20:57.39 | nick125 | You should |
| 20:57.57 | nick125 | s/thedailywtf/worsethanfailure |
| 20:58.11 | unum | ^Migs^: make sure you include the interview :) |
| 20:58.15 | unum | those are my favorite |
| 20:58.20 | unum | nick125: he renamed it back |
| 20:58.22 | Tene | goozbach: what does it do that you didn't know it could do? |
| 20:58.48 | ^Migs^ | speaking of which, there's a great thedailywtf today: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/K2C.aspx |
| 20:59.12 | unum | that one is sooooooo bad |
| 20:59.15 | ^Migs^ | he's funny when he's fibbing. He gets this look in his face like "I sure hope I can BS my way out of this later" |
| 21:00.27 | nick125 | unum: oh really...hah, net |
| 21:00.46 | nick125 | Wait....wouldn't if (blah = 1) set the value to one, not compare it? |
| 21:04.51 | ^Migs^ | in most cases, that would be a syntax error, actually |
| 21:05.15 | ^Migs^ | in other cases, it would simply return true |
| 21:09.17 | unum | I like that my c++ compilers warns me that I might have made a mistake. php does not..... |
| 21:09.26 | unum | I've lost some dev time to that typo |
| 21:12.40 | levi | in C, assignment expressions are perfectly valid inside if statements. And yes, they do assign instead of compare, and they have the value of the value assigned. |
| 21:13.18 | levi | I suspect the code was transcribed incorrectly, since it was described as actually working. |
| 21:14.04 | nick125 | look at the excel screenshot |
| 21:14.06 | levi | As written, it would always return 0. |
| 21:15.31 | levi | I guess it probably always did return 0, but it never got called in the path he was using. |
| 21:16.42 | goozbach | ~info |
| 21:16.59 | goozbach | ~literal info |
| 21:17.12 | goozbach | ~infobot |
| 21:17.13 | ibot | goozbach, I love abuse, feed me! |
| 21:17.23 | goozbach | ~botsnack |
| 21:17.23 | ibot | aw, gee, goozbach |
| 21:17.32 | goozbach | ~cyberhack levi |
| 21:17.33 | ibot | see ghosthack levi |
| 21:17.37 | goozbach | bah! |
| 21:17.47 | goozbach | ~ghosthack levi |
| 21:17.47 | ibot | ACTION plugs into levi's cyberbrain and gets busy |
| 21:18.03 | goozbach | ~info subversion |
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| 21:38.42 | levi | Huh, Guy Steele wrote a paper entitled "Building Interpreters by Composing Monads" |
| 21:53.09 | nick125 | Ugh, Ted Stevens hasn't fallen in a hole yet? According to dslreports, he wants to make private domain registrations illegal. |
| 21:53.55 | RyanE | He wants to know who is responsible for putting those stuff in his tubes! |
| 21:54.50 | nick125 | I'm sorry, but I don't want people on the Internet knowing my personal information. |
| 21:57.27 | herlo | nick125: me neither, because if I have it on the internet, nobody shoudl be able to access it, the internet is inherently secure! |
| 21:59.42 | nick125 | It is unlawful for the registrant of a domain name used in any commercial activity to register such domain name in any Whois database with false or misleading identifying information, including the registrant's name, physical address, telephone number, facsimile number, or electronic mail address. [emphasis mine] |
| 22:00.24 | herlo | nick125: sweet, because then everyone can spam me! and send me junk mail |
| 22:00.59 | herlo | call me with recorded spanish telemarketing and even I can get informational messages that will really help me too! |
| 22:01.05 | nick125 | So you can just say that your domain is for personal activities and it would no longer be against the law (it would still be against ICANN regulations). |
| 22:01.20 | herlo | oh, and what about those wonderful surveys, that'd be fun |
| 22:07.24 | sjansen | *shrug* There's plenty of companies willing to hiding your whois info for a fee. If you're making money off the domain, count it as overhead. |
| 22:07.58 | sjansen | Requiring valid info isn't the problem, thinking it'll make a difference is. |
| 22:09.13 | sjansen | Remember, Al Capone was nailed for income tax evasion, not for being a thug. |
| 22:10.02 | sjansen | Legislators may not care that they're tilting at wind mills. They might think they're just giving law enforcement another tool. |
| 22:10.21 | sjansen | Frankly, if you're big enough for the govt. to notice you, you probably should have real info in whois. |
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| 22:11.05 | scorpio041 | hi |
| 22:11.12 | levi | Hi, scorpio041 |
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| 22:11.56 | scorpio | its darn cold here |
| 22:13.53 | levi | Where's here? |
| 22:14.12 | scorpio | seems like me |
| 22:14.17 | scorpio | the rest are dead |
| 22:14.19 | sjansen | space |
| 22:14.31 | sjansen | in space, no one can hear you scream |
| 22:15.03 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 22:15.03 | ibot | sjansen: :) |
| 22:15.16 | sjansen | ~say ha ha scorpio I got a bot snack and you didn't |
| 22:15.16 | ibot | sjansen: aw, gee |
| 22:15.26 | sjansen | stupid bot |
| 22:15.43 | scorpio | wats that? |
| 22:15.58 | thaddeusq | ~stupid bot |
| 22:15.59 | ibot | Stupid human. |
| 22:17.18 | sjansen | scorpio: My name is sjansen. You failed my Turing test. Prepared to be larted. |
| 22:18.02 | scorpio | am new here |
| 22:18.08 | scorpio | well am new in utah |
| 22:18.14 | scorpio | am hendrick |
| 22:18.21 | scorpio | from singapore |
| 22:18.38 | levi | I guess Utah would seem pretty cold compared to Singapore. |
| 22:18.47 | sjansen | bummer, I don't get to finish the Princess Bride allusion :-( |
| 22:19.14 | scorpio | pretty cold is an understatment |
| 22:19.44 | thaddeusq | scorpio: 49 degrees is warm here. |
| 22:19.50 | sjansen | cold is an overstatement, Utah is mild |
| 22:20.06 | scorpio | hmmm k |
| 22:20.14 | sjansen | Now ND on the other hand... |
| 22:20.38 | thaddeusq | Green Bay in December is cold. |
| 22:20.50 | scorpio | k |
| 22:21.36 | sjansen | You know a state is cold when spring rolls around anything above 0 degrees Fahrenheit seems warm. |
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| 22:26.27 | ^Migs^ | northern Utah is supposed to reach a pleasant 50 degrees F this Friday |
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| 22:26.57 | scorpio | wats the average age here? |
| 22:30.02 | levi | Way too low. :P |
| 22:30.11 | scorpio | darn |
| 22:30.51 | levi | Actually, I don't really know, but I would guess somewhere in the early 20s for active participants. |
| 22:31.02 | scorpio | hmmm |
| 22:31.04 | scorpio | i feel old |
| 22:31.31 | thaddeusq | I'm in the mid 30's |
| 22:31.33 | RyanE | levi: some of us push that average up quite a bit... |
| 22:31.48 | RyanE | I turned 40 last October. |
| 22:31.50 | thaddeusq | sjansen pushes that average up a lot. |
| 22:31.51 | levi | RyanE: And then there's sargun, nick###, etc. |
| 22:31.57 | RyanE | you kids get off my lawn! |
| 22:32.02 | levi | sjansen just pretends to be old. :P |
| 22:32.18 | thaddeusq | levi: but he looks the part too. |
| 22:32.18 | scorpio | ok not too old |
| 22:32.23 | scorpio | am past 30 |
| 22:32.37 | tensai | Outlook. Destroying the world, one PC at a time. |
| 22:33.01 | levi | I'm > 30, too. |
| 22:33.07 | thaddeusq | The part of the grumpy, bearded, old man will be played by sjansen. |
| 22:33.32 | levi | But I don't think I look particularly old. |
| 22:34.06 | dataw0lf | 25. Don't you dare compare me to Sargun or nick## or etc |
| 22:34.35 | scorpio | and mostly guys here |
| 22:34.56 | thaddeusq | The part of the young, ornery, sassy kid will be played by dataw0lf |
| 22:35.17 | scorpio | abt 70 odd people and so few actually chatting |
| 22:35.37 | levi | Silly lurkers. |
| 22:35.41 | thaddeusq | people come and go. |
| 22:36.01 | dataw0lf | it's not too quiet for a channel where the majority of the people actually have jobs |
| 22:36.25 | scorpio | darn should be at wrk |
| 22:36.33 | scorpio | but deeling under the blue |
| 22:41.35 | levi | Are you feeling blue, or feeling under the weather? |
| 22:42.12 | scorpio | both |
| 22:42.23 | levi | That's too bad. |
| 22:42.45 | levi | Maybe this will make you feel happy: http://dharmatech.onigirihouse.com/atari-forth.jpg |
| 22:45.49 | scorpio | no change |
| 22:45.51 | scorpio | same |
| 22:47.22 | levi | Oh well. |
| 22:47.55 | tensai | levi: where in the world did that come from? |
| 22:48.07 | levi | a book on FORTH for the Atari, of course. |
| 22:48.40 | tensai | so it's not a parody? |
| 22:48.41 | levi | Or, from an alternate point of view, a demented mind with less-than-stellar artistic skills. |
| 22:48.46 | levi | No, it's a real book cover. |
| 22:49.02 | levi | From the golden age of personal computing! |
| 22:49.21 | levi | Sadly, book covers are all bland and professional-looking now. ;) |
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| 23:26.21 | atoponce | so, tripwire encrypts and protects its database with a key and passphrase. i'm noticing that aide does not? has anyone worked with aide? am i missing something? |
| 23:26.35 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 23:26.57 | atoponce | i thought that aide was to be a replacement for tripwire, yet i'm hardly seeing the functionality |
| 23:33.58 | tensai | atoponce: it's not a complete replacement, as you discovered |
| 23:34.29 | atoponce | tensai: is the goal to be a complete replacement? will we see encryting the database? |
| 23:34.58 | tensai | atoponce: hasn't happened in the last at least 6 years, so I wouldn't hold my breath |
| 23:35.03 | tensai | it's been a long time since I used either |
| 23:35.26 | atoponce | hasn't happened meaning a release, or the overall design? |
| 23:36.01 | tensai | I haven't looked at it recently. if it doesn't now support encryption, that means they haven't added it in the last 6 years. |
| 23:36.11 | atoponce | ahh. ok |
| 23:36.37 | tensai | last release was 12/2006 |
| 23:36.50 | atoponce | even though tripwire is semi-free, it's definitely more functional and robust, i think |
| 23:36.56 | atoponce | still working out everything though |
| 23:37.25 | *** join/#utah mrpull- (n=misterpu@mail.pollmann.us) |
| 23:37.40 | tensai | I gave up. things changed way too often on my systems. I was constantly updating the database. |
| 23:48.14 | mrpull- | anybody use a 16GB SDHC card with an eeepc? |
| 23:49.13 | nick125 | mrpull-: I've heard of people using them, but I'm not using one. |
| 23:53.44 | Aliosa27 | yes |
| 23:53.53 | Aliosa27 | i have one |
| 23:54.34 | atoponce | tensai: i guess the idea is to put it on a system that isn't going to change much. rather, just sit |
| 23:54.52 | atoponce | tensai: so, do you know what the big hype is about aide? why should i run it over competitors? |
| 23:55.18 | tensai | atoponce: config is simpler, since you don't have to mess with keys. obviously that's a tradeoff. |
| 23:55.39 | tensai | that's about all I remember |
| 23:58.32 | atoponce | cool |
