| 00:06.44 | rsimpkins | levi: We are still kind of getting the momentum. |
| 00:06.57 | rsimpkins | levi: However, everythign past this point is booked through august and beyond. |
| 00:07.33 | rsimpkins | levi: Hopefully people keep coming, because without the members coming and showing support it's going to keep it interesting. |
| 00:07.46 | rsimpkins | going to make it hard to keep interesting rather. |
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| 01:07.39 | findlay | http://www.napaonline.com/ |
| 01:07.44 | findlay | try that site out |
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| 01:50.20 | herlo | anyone konw a bunch about setting up reverse tunnels with ssh ? |
| 01:53.10 | Supaplex | I've used them before |
| 01:53.24 | herlo | Supaplex: so what am I doing wrong here |
| 01:53.44 | Supaplex | I get -R and -L mixed up all the time tho |
| 01:53.49 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.00 | Supaplex | so you want herlo.org to send :1100 back to you, and then into that ip:port ? |
| 01:56.10 | herlo | right |
| 01:56.21 | Supaplex | that's if I'm reading the man page right. did you try atleast one or two -v's ? |
| 01:56.21 | herlo | port number isn't important |
| 01:56.35 | herlo | Supaplex: not yet |
| 01:59.33 | herlo | Supaplex: it looks like its trying to reconnect to port 1100 on my machine, I bet it can't get there. Is it supposed to establish an ssh connection on my machine? |
| 02:02.02 | herlo | Supaplex: I think I know what's happening |
| 02:02.06 | Supaplex | between the herlo.org and you, it's encapsulated. otherwise it's a normal tcp port |
| 02:02.35 | herlo | I've got no way of telling my dsl router that I want to connect to a particular machine |
| 02:02.43 | herlo | I wonder if I was directly connected if it would even work |
| 02:03.04 | herlo | Supaplex: okay, that makes sense... |
| 02:03.10 | Supaplex | from where you ssh out, can you nc 166.70.191.1 1100 okay? |
| 02:03.56 | herlo | no |
| 02:04.20 | Supaplex | is that the router ip with port forwarding 1100 someplace else? |
| 02:04.22 | herlo | here's the ting |
| 02:04.36 | herlo | yeah, that's the problem. I just realized it. That's gonna help me though |
| 02:04.50 | Supaplex | then cut the middle man, and let ssh be more direct |
| 02:04.55 | herlo | I'm behind the router, and I don't know if the router has the ability to redirect ports |
| 02:05.05 | herlo | Supaplex: I can't |
| 02:05.31 | Supaplex | you can't even connect there from the same place the ssh client is? |
| 02:05.38 | herlo | yes, I can do that |
| 02:05.40 | Supaplex | nc ip.ip.ip.ip yyyy |
| 02:05.48 | herlo | Supaplex: hang on |
| 02:05.53 | herlo | you are getting ahead of yourself |
| 02:05.58 | herlo | here's the problem. |
| 02:05.59 | Supaplex | k |
| 02:06.08 | herlo | I can ssh to herlo.org just fine |
| 02:06.57 | herlo | but I can't ssh back to the other machine even if port 1100 were open because I've got a dsl modem and a wireless router in the way, which isn't configured to forward ports |
| 02:07.01 | herlo | so |
| 02:07.20 | herlo | I try to ssh from herlo.org to port 1100, port 22 or whatever, it won't matter. |
| 02:08.14 | herlo | Supaplex: does that make sense? |
| 02:08.48 | Supaplex | you goal is to eventually ssh into the port that's forwarded, and pop out inside the nat to a predetermined box? |
| 02:10.56 | herlo | right |
| 02:12.15 | Supaplex | i think you might want ssh -nNT -R 1100:166.70.191.1:22 herlo.org where 166.70.191.1 is the ip you use inside the nat to ssh there. |
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| 02:13.03 | herlo | Supaplex: right, but that doesn't even matter yet |
| 02:13.18 | herlo | I can't get into the system where the firewall rules are set |
| 02:13.27 | herlo | I'm stuck outside the dsl modem |
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| 02:14.32 | Supaplex | yup |
| 02:25.16 | elg | findlay: do you have the bach hunt cantata (bwv 208)? |
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| 03:22.34 | findlay | sure do |
| 03:22.42 | findlay | aw, he left |
| 03:23.09 | findlay | ~onjoin elg cantatify! |
| 03:23.09 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 03:25.19 | herlo | Supaplex: so I am still stuck on minicom's usage to ttyS0, have you done this before? |
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| 03:27.00 | Supaplex | long time ago. :P |
| 03:27.12 | Supaplex | with the ups, I don't think my router has rebooted in a long time |
| 03:27.28 | herlo | aye |
| 03:27.51 | Supaplex | you can also use screen /dev/ttyS0, - the parts I forget are in the man page %-) |
| 03:29.21 | herlo | screen works? |
| 03:29.23 | herlo | wow |
| 03:31.00 | Supaplex | yup |
| 03:31.26 | Supaplex | it emulate the uucp 'cu' proggie I think? |
| 03:31.48 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 03:31.51 | elg | -lart findlay |
| 03:31.55 | elg | -lart whoever I meant |
| 03:33.49 | findlay | elg: sure do |
| 03:33.53 | findlay | you want it? |
| 03:33.59 | elg | yes please |
| 03:34.22 | elg | i think I'll play it on the organ for prelude on Easter |
| 03:34.43 | elg | i have the sheet music. well, what I have is the grandstaff and soprano |
| 03:34.51 | elg | i think it's basso continuo and two flutes, is that right? |
| 03:36.58 | elg | i only need the 9th movement. I'm talking about the sheep song of course |
| 03:38.40 | findlay | oh, that one :) |
| 03:40.00 | findlay | do you know the cantata number? |
| 03:40.20 | elg | 208 |
| 03:40.24 | elg | oh, that's the bwv |
| 03:40.36 | elg | i guess the cantata no too |
| 03:40.49 | elg | "Was mir behagt, ist nur die muntre Jagd" |
| 03:41.00 | findlay | hm, all I've got are BWV's and they're not in order |
| 03:42.17 | findlay | how many times did Bach recycle the movement? |
| 03:42.59 | elg | i'm not aware of any, but i'm sure it's possible |
| 03:43.24 | elg | http://www.jsbach.org/bwv208.html |
| 03:43.25 | brac | [BWV208] |
| 03:43.54 | findlay | ah, it's a 'secular cantata' |
| 03:44.49 | elg | ya |
| 03:44.58 | elg | it's about hunting |
| 03:45.05 | findlay | got it |
| 03:45.16 | findlay | you want the whole thing? |
| 03:45.53 | elg | wouldn't mind. the more bach the better :) |
| 03:46.49 | findlay | you can get the whole set for $140 |
| 03:47.47 | elg | someday I will |
| 03:47.59 | elg | when I have more dinero |
| 03:49.21 | findlay | aw come on |
| 03:49.29 | findlay | that's less than $1/disc |
| 03:49.37 | findlay | how can you say no to that? |
| 03:49.44 | elg | i can't. ;-) |
| 03:49.50 | elg | but I can say 'later' |
| 03:50.04 | findlay | how prudent :) |
| 03:50.09 | elg | if I could buy the discs piecemeal, I could trick myself into buying it over the course of a year or so |
| 03:50.33 | elg | if i didn't have to pay $3 shipping for each one, too |
| 03:51.49 | findlay | oooh |
| 03:51.54 | findlay | Edith Mathis |
| 03:51.57 | findlay | Theo Adam |
| 03:52.07 | findlay | and Peter Schrier |
| 03:52.24 | findlay | this isn't the noname recording :-) |
| 03:58.29 | elg | man this thing is uuuugly |
| 03:59.36 | findlay | elg: http://jfindlay.us/Complete_Bach_Edition/Vocal_Works/12/ |
| 03:59.48 | findlay | there's no track info, sorry |
| 03:59.59 | findlay | I'm afraid that's beyond my technology at present |
| 04:00.07 | findlay | BWV 208 is tracks 1-15 |
| 04:00.15 | findlay | the rest is BWV 204 |
| 04:00.52 | elg | great. many thanks |
| 04:01.07 | findlay | let me know when you're done |
| 04:01.22 | elg | of all the pseudo youtube recordings and whatnot, none even had a soprano part. all arrangements |
| 04:01.29 | elg | so this will be very informative |
| 04:01.32 | findlay | as I'm liable to wipe out random stuff I host every once in a while |
| 04:02.17 | elg | downloading now. do you need me to limit bandwidth? |
| 04:02.22 | findlay | nope |
| 04:02.23 | elg | so you can call your mom on your softphone? |
| 04:02.28 | findlay | I've got plenty |
| 04:02.32 | elg | plenty of moms? |
| 04:02.44 | findlay | 14 Mib |
| 04:05.16 | findlay | in 51 s |
| 04:05.22 | elg | sheesh |
| 04:05.28 | elg | where do you get 14 mbit? |
| 04:05.36 | elg | utopia? |
| 04:05.38 | findlay | iProvo |
| 04:06.12 | findlay | I wouldn't let my roomate get comcast |
| 04:06.23 | findlay | I'm so happy now that we didn't |
| 04:12.08 | nick125 | findlay: But nothing is faster than Comcast! |
| 04:12.30 | findlay | hahahahahhhaaaa |
| 04:12.35 | findlay | lol |
| 04:12.42 | nick125 | some guy actually said that to me. |
| 04:12.44 | findlay | sure |
| 04:13.17 | nick125 | Of course, he probably just smoked a whole bag of weed twenty minutes before, so that might affect the result |
| 04:15.59 | findlay | elg: http://jfindlay.us/Complete_Bach_Edition/Texts_Libretti/ will get you the libretto |
| 04:16.12 | findlay | in French, even |
| 04:16.23 | findlay | eject cdrom |
| 04:16.52 | elg | oh wow, that's nice |
| 04:17.02 | nick125 | eject /dev/findlay |
| 04:26.46 | rsimpkins | Hrm, trans-gendered linux sys admin. |
| 04:26.58 | rsimpkins | Didn't realize the 'girl' was technically a 'boy' |
| 04:39.27 | levi | Where, at your workplace or on the internet somewhere? |
| 04:42.20 | Tene | And is that actually relevant in the workplace or professionally? |
| 04:44.19 | elg | findlay: http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/sheet/bach_choral/Works/47CDS50.PDF |
| 04:44.42 | elg | what do you think, the small notes are a realization of figured bass, and the figures are omitted? |
| 04:46.00 | elg | or are the small notes a realization of a non-figured continuo? |
| 05:59.25 | findlay | my roomate says it gives you the same information as a figured bass |
| 06:00.00 | findlay | not as authentic that way, but probably more readable for people who aren't familiar with figured bass |
| 06:00.32 | findlay | so, it could just as easily be mapped back into figured bass language with no loss of information |
| 06:04.33 | elg | people, like me :) |
| 06:04.37 | elg | i want to learn but don't know yet |
| 06:05.01 | elg | so i'm going to see if I can work it into the easter program with a soprano soloist instead |
| 06:05.26 | elg | that way I don't have to rewrite the parts. I can just play the bass line in the pedals and do the figured stuff and flutes on two manuals |
| 06:10.06 | findlay | how about you just do Russian Easter Festival Overture by Николай Римски-Корсако |
| 06:10.27 | findlay | that's much more exciting than some Bach fluty stuff |
| 06:12.28 | findlay | Николай Андреевич Римски-Корсаков |
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| 06:21.26 | findlay | sargun_screen: teliax will do iax2 termination |
| 06:21.32 | findlay | oh yeah |
| 06:25.53 | findlay | .uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹɐ noʎ xǝldɐdns ǝɹɐ noʎ ɟı |
| 06:28.07 | fozzmoo | findlay: You rock. |
| 06:28.14 | findlay | I know |
| 06:32.06 | findlay | ʍouk ı |
| 07:12.08 | findlay | ~weather kpvu |
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| 08:16.45 | sargun_screen | lakshmi: heya. |
| 08:16.48 | sargun_screen | findlay: I know.. |
| 08:17.32 | lakshmi | hey Sargun |
| 08:17.42 | lakshmi | hey sargun_screen |
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| 08:23.46 | xbmodder__ | hey |
| 08:23.51 | lakshmi | hey |
| 08:23.53 | lakshmi | sup? |
| 08:23.57 | lakshmi | dude! |
| 08:32.29 | lakshmi | Sargun hey |
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| 08:34.55 | lakshmi | \ |
| 08:35.58 | lakshmi | gahs at school |
| 08:36.02 | lakshmi | ~lart school |
| 08:36.03 | ibot | stuffs school into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
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| 14:16.21 | Sargun | heya guys |
| 14:16.22 | Sargun | morning |
| 14:20.39 | harleypi1 | :D Just found the Utah Open Source calendar with "Kill sontek" as an entry for Oct 14, 2007 ... |
| 14:20.45 | harleypi1 | looks like that deadline was missed. |
| 14:22.43 | synic | unfortunately |
| 14:24.19 | harleypi1 | What'd sontek do that was deserving of the death penalty? |
| 14:24.26 | harleypi1 | Or is that a stoopid question? |
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| 15:03.46 | harleypi1 | Is there a daily login limiter? |
| 15:04.07 | harleypi1 | So I can limit certain of my children's usage of the computer? |
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| 15:15.18 | tensai | jonathan coulton++ |
| 15:20.14 | findlay | sargun_screen: what do you know? |
| 15:20.20 | tensai | harleypi1: I don't think there's anything specifically like that. you could pretty easily write a pam module for it. |
| 15:20.36 | tensai | harleypi1: look at pam_time.so. it limits logins to certains times of day. |
| 15:23.38 | harleypi1 | tensai: thanks. |
| 15:25.48 | tensai | here's a good idea. send an email to a legislator and threaten to kill him. |
| 15:26.44 | harleypig | huh? |
| 15:27.08 | harleypig | Got a link? Or are you trying to get revenge on someone? |
| 15:28.12 | fozzmoo | tensai: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3F6D968E2181BF91 |
| 15:31.17 | goozbach | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks |
| 15:31.22 | goozbach | I love the onion |
| 15:31.26 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 15:45.49 | tensai | fozzmoo: definitely a less hostile environment. I'm starting to understand his argument better. |
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| 15:51.43 | fozzmoo | ~lart corrupt PDB files |
| 15:51.43 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps corrupt PDB files |
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| 16:04.48 | atoponce | ~dict cantatify |
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| 16:10.06 | findlay | hello |
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| 16:34.32 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 16:34.32 | ibot | holds Jayce^ to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
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| 16:52.58 | fozzmoo | oooh spanking |
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| 17:10.43 | levi | Good morning. |
| 17:10.50 | findlay | hello |
| 17:15.10 | levi | How are you, findlay? |
| 17:16.58 | levi | http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/02/07/lisp_arc_challenge/ |
| 17:16.59 | brac | [Web pioneer hits critics with Lisp gauntlet | Reg Developer] |
| 17:17.18 | levi | Hah, the link for 'applauding' there goes to a parody blog. :) |
| 17:38.41 | tensai | fozzmoo: thanks for those videos. I think I understand more what the book says. |
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| 17:43.03 | fozzmoo | tensai: YW |
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| 18:06.36 | sjansen | More Techno! |
| 18:08.32 | Supaplex | I agree! |
| 18:10.36 | tensai | o/~ all we want to do is eat your brains. we're not unreasonable. I mean, nobody's going to eat your eyes. ~/o |
| 18:15.47 | findlay | -chat o/~ |
| 18:15.47 | brac | o/~ went |
| 18:15.56 | findlay | -chat eat your |
| 18:15.58 | brac | eat your sandwich |
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| 18:20.53 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: !!!!!!! |
| 18:21.01 | lakshmi | fozzmoo!!!!!!!! |
| 18:21.10 | lakshmi | hm council of nicea happened twice |
| 18:21.12 | lakshmi | odd |
| 18:21.42 | fozzmoo | You'll find #utah is full of abundant info and opinion about Nicea |
| 18:24.09 | RyanE | The council so nice they held it twice! |
| 18:24.37 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
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| 18:26.09 | findlay | oooh, that's why they called it nicea |
| 18:26.31 | RyanE | They were Canadians who couldn't spell, eh? |
| 18:26.33 | findlay | same reason Luther was stapled to a door and forced to eat a diet of worms |
| 18:27.46 | unum | time to plug in my new ups |
| 18:30.18 | Jayce^ | so it was renicead? |
| 18:32.13 | elg | findlay: I just had an evil idea |
| 18:32.16 | RyanE | Jayce^: OOH, NICE. |
| 18:32.22 | elg | use graph paper as manuscript paper |
| 18:32.39 | elg | yeah, you have to draw the staff lines (preferably in something that stands out from the graph paper, like blue) |
| 18:32.47 | elg | but then you have automatic spacing aides |
| 18:33.48 | levi | I'm not sure why that qualifies as an evil idea. |
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| 18:33.53 | jsmith | elg: What, lilypond isn't good enough for you? |
| 18:33.59 | elg | well not literally evil |
| 18:34.14 | levi | I didn't mean literally evil either. |
| 18:34.14 | elg | jsmith: at the moment, no. it won't compile on leopard (at least not without more effort than I want to put into it) |
| 18:34.21 | findlay-w | elg: google for graphpaper.ps |
| 18:34.30 | elg | well I have a pad of graph paper |
| 18:34.32 | findlay-w | you might be able to hack that for manuscript paper |
| 18:34.36 | elg | and I know where to find quality organ manuscript paper |
| 18:34.38 | jsmith | elg: You know... maybe the problem is your choice of OS?!? |
| 18:34.45 | findlay-w | in fact there might be a manuscript one somewhere |
| 18:34.48 | elg | jsmith: yeah, but I can just compile them on linux |
| 18:34.53 | findlay-w | or just use lilypond |
| 18:35.14 | elg | i love lilypond, but for sketching I think pencil is better |
| 18:35.23 | elg | it's a lot easier to not get lost in a pencil sketch |
| 18:35.27 | elg | then use lilypond to typeset it |
| 18:35.58 | levi | Isn't there a TeX-based music typesetter? |
| 18:38.00 | jsmith | Oh, and don't forget MusicXML! |
| 18:38.47 | findlay | heh |
| 18:39.23 | jsmith | I can't imagine what the DTD would look like |
| 18:39.25 | findlay | the 'universal format' that finally and sibeylus claim to support |
| 18:39.31 | RyanE | Obviously, XML is the best way to represent *anything*... :) |
| 18:40.00 | jsmith | <point taken='well' sarcasm='yes'/> |
| 18:40.19 | levi | What you REALLY need is a music score DSL written in Ruby! |
| 18:40.21 | jsmith | XML is only as good as the DTD |
| 18:40.32 | findlay | finally really bugs me with it's subscription model |
| 18:40.34 | jsmith | (and the XSL transforms) |
| 18:40.45 | RyanE | SQL is only as good as the SCHEMA. |
| 18:40.50 | elg | levi: heh, no |
| 18:40.55 | jsmith | RyanE: Amen, brother! |
| 18:40.59 | elg | lilypond's DSL is a royal pain |
| 18:41.07 | jsmith | RyanE: (and the database engine) |
| 18:41.07 | elg | it screams of ad hoc |
| 18:41.10 | levi | Is 'finally' supposed to be a play on 'finale'? |
| 18:41.16 | elg | it makes sense to nobody except lispers |
| 18:41.17 | jsmith | elg: It *is* ad-hoc |
| 18:41.26 | elg | and probably not most of them |
| 18:41.37 | findlay | and then you have to *pay* *more* for features that it advertises that it's got which are really just amazingly useless demo versions of the addon |
| 18:41.38 | elg | but to do it in ruby would just do the same, from a ruby tack :) |
| 18:42.05 | elg | but it looks so awesome, there's no considering a replacement. the best you can hope to do is write a front-end |
| 18:42.38 | Supaplex | that was a fun network hiccup. yesterday I made use of reverse dns for my routed subnet. got dns working, and commented out /etc/hosts entries on the openwrt box (dnsmasq as dns only). the search domain by default is 'lan' (hardcoded script lameness). ll my dhcp entries relied on search domain (but wasn't expecting lan). it still worked becuase I left aliases in /etc/hosts for them. |
| 18:43.32 | tensai | elg: do you write the lilypond files by hand? |
| 18:43.34 | elg | anyway, if my graph paper idea were obvious to normal people, I would have seen some music majors doing it |
| 18:43.38 | elg | tensai: ya |
| 18:43.42 | Supaplex | So... I cut over, and mysteriously all my ssh connections crap out an hour or two later. today I wakeup, and my ibook cannot connect via synergy. I try to reset that, and thought I was batteling with poor firewall rules. one tiny line in /etc/resolv.conf made for some fun :P |
| 18:43.54 | elg | since I didn't, I must consider the possibility that they would think I'm nuts |
| 18:44.03 | elg | and I enjoy it when they think that |
| 18:44.06 | elg | so it's "evil" |
| 18:44.49 | elg | tensai: i've been meaning to check out denemo though, and see if it has some kind of midi keyboard-based entry features |
| 18:44.55 | tensai | elg: I've been using Rosegarden. but then I have to tweak its output somewhat. |
| 18:44.55 | elg | that's one good thing about finale |
| 18:45.07 | elg | rosegarden might do that too. I'd have to check |
| 18:45.37 | elg | i don't mind hand-typing it when the notes are all about the same duration |
| 18:45.37 | tensai | my parents use a very old version of finale. it would be fun to convert them to lilypond. |
| 18:45.41 | elg | and when there's no chords |
| 18:45.50 | elg | but doing it by hand in the presence of chords is a bit nasty |
| 18:46.10 | elg | i have finale notepad (the free beer one). i wonder if there's a way to convert from finale to lilypond |
| 18:46.18 | elg | get the notes in in finale, then do the typesetting in lilypond |
| 18:46.26 | findlay | ugh |
| 18:46.29 | elg | well, I see a midi2ly script |
| 18:46.34 | elg | and finale outputs midi |
| 18:46.45 | findlay | I've suffered way too much from finale to even think about it anymore |
| 18:46.49 | tensai | elg: I don't expect that path to end well |
| 18:48.26 | tensai | jsmith: was that just yesterday, or last week? |
| 18:48.35 | findlay | hahaha |
| 18:49.49 | jsmith | tensai: That was when I was in high school |
| 18:50.04 | jsmith | tensai: So it's been at least fourteen years ago |
| 18:50.21 | elg | heh, yeah, that didn't work so well |
| 18:50.40 | findlay | wysiwyg editors for music typesetting are the worst possible malady ever spawned by computers IMO |
| 18:50.43 | elg | i was expecting timing issues |
| 18:50.47 | elg | maybe notational sorts of things |
| 18:50.51 | elg | but it didn't even get the notes right |
| 18:50.56 | jsmith | elg: Seriously? |
| 18:51.05 | elg | yeah |
| 18:51.11 | elg | well, it got the pitches right |
| 18:51.19 | findlay | you may say 'oh I've got nifty SpeedyEntry(R)', yeah sure, but that won't help you layout dynamics at least |
| 18:52.31 | findlay | let me say that again, wsiwyg music editors are the most onerous slave masters of computer monkeys |
| 18:53.24 | findlay | way too much mousy stuff to do |
| 18:53.42 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/sheet/sheep/sheep.pdf |
| 18:54.17 | elg | i wonder if it has to do with the blazing tempo finale put on the midi file |
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| 19:02.54 | ibot | gnaws on ^Migs^'s ears mmmm carrots, my flavorate NOM NOM NOM |
| 19:03.00 | ^Migs^ | ugh, I picked the worst day to work from home |
| 19:03.12 | ^Migs^ | it's my wife's turn to host her playgroup, so a bunch of her friends are coming over in an hour and bringing all their kids |
| 19:04.36 | sjansen | Time to redefine the meaning of home to include someplace with free wifi. |
| 19:04.52 | ^Migs^ | well, then I might as well go to work |
| 19:05.02 | elg | your work has free wifi? |
| 19:05.11 | ^Migs^ | free for me |
| 19:05.18 | elg | your work doesn't sell donuts though |
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| 19:05.36 | Migs2 | now I have to deal with my own welfare connection |
| 19:06.12 | elg | is that anything like the rainbow connection? |
| 19:07.17 | atoponce | does ubuntu just ignore any runlevel passed to the kernel at grub? |
| 19:07.31 | atoponce | i can't seem to bypass the default runlevel |
| 19:08.02 | sjansen | http://ww2.sidsolutions.net:8081/ -- Who still has an "Under Construction" sign on their site? I thought that died with the 90's. |
| 19:08.05 | brac | [SID Solutions] |
| 19:08.18 | Migs2 | you know what, I didn't realize Reading Rainbow was still on the air until this morning |
| 19:08.41 | Migs2 | I thought at worst PBS showed old reruns, until imdb proved otherwise. |
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| 19:12.07 | atoponce | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/85014 |
| 19:12.11 | atoponce | answers my question |
| 19:15.47 | elg | sjansen: and animated, too |
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| 19:27.32 | nick125 | good orning |
| 19:27.36 | nick125 | *morning |
| 19:27.50 | atoponce | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/104602 |
| 19:27.53 | Supaplex | good afternoon in my parts. :) |
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| 19:38.00 | nick125 | Well...afternoon here too :p |
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| 19:53.19 | vontrapp | how about a graphical differ? kdiff? something else? |
| 19:53.33 | elg | how about it? |
| 19:53.45 | beandog | colordiff |
| 19:53.46 | beandog | :D |
| 19:53.48 | thaddeusq | how about vimdiff |
| 19:53.51 | vontrapp | anyone condone it's use? recommend another program? |
| 19:53.55 | vontrapp | vimdiff doesn't do directories |
| 19:54.00 | elg | how about the ever wondrous FileMerge? |
| 19:55.56 | vontrapp | that looks good |
| 19:56.44 | vontrapp | is it free? |
| 19:57.06 | elg | it comes with xcode |
| 19:57.11 | elg | which comes with osx |
| 19:57.34 | elg | it descended from next, but I don't know if there's a version of it that runs in any other os |
| 19:57.53 | Supaplex | leftovers++ $6burger++ carlsjrcoupons++ |
| 19:58.31 | vontrapp | you bought leftover $6burger with cjcoupons? |
| 19:59.08 | Supaplex | my friend and I bought two, paid for one with the coupon, and I only ate half mine yesterday |
| 19:59.14 | vontrapp | well, this search result says filemerge is one of few apps that survived into osx |
| 20:29.18 | Supaplex | http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9878841-7.html?tag=cd.blog |
| 20:36.57 | tensai | I tried to listen to the real stream of the FCC meeting yesterday but couldn't get mplayer working |
| 20:37.30 | RedHeron | http://utah.pirate-party.us/ |
| 20:37.34 | RedHeron | Legislature bill. |
| 20:37.43 | RedHeron | "Community Standards ISP" |
| 20:37.56 | RedHeron | tensai: Try vlc? |
| 20:37.58 | tensai | RedHeron: pashdown posted it yesterday |
| 20:38.07 | RedHeron | tensai: Ah, didn't see it. |
| 20:38.14 | tensai | RedHeron: oh yeah. didn't think of vlc. |
| 20:38.58 | tensai | RedHeron: his blog entry about it. http://peteashdown.org/journal/2008/02/25/the-big-brother-seal-of-approval/ |
| 20:39.03 | RedHeron | See, nobody TELLS me thes things! |
| 20:39.31 | tensai | RedHeron: that's what I'm doing right now :) |
| 20:40.10 | tensai | I was musing last night about that bill. I wonder if the utah legislature has a minimum quota on stupid internet laws. |
| 20:40.30 | RedHeron | Yeah, yeah, yeah... but what I'm saying is, at the moment there's a lot of things that nobody ever tells me that might be of interest... and being on 70 channels at once has its disadvantages (especially keeping up on work at the same time). |
| 20:40.44 | tensai | "look guys, we need one more dumb law before we can call this session adjourned. put your thinking caps on." |
| 20:40.51 | RedHeron | They have been trying to pass it for 12 years now. |
| 20:41.19 | RedHeron | This year, things are different: this year, they have ONE new cosponsor! |
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| 20:51.07 | ibot | gnaws on ^Migs^'s ears mmmm carrots, my flavorate NOM NOM NOM |
| 20:51.15 | ^Migs^ | I need to get out of here, these kids are LOUD! |
| 20:51.34 | nick125 | ^Migs^: Where are you? |
| 20:55.11 | Supaplex | at skewl |
| 20:55.33 | nick125 | What type? Elementary? |
| 20:55.42 | Supaplex | or is this your blockparty babysitter club exchange again? |
| 20:55.54 | nick125 | haha |
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| 20:56.06 | Migs3 | I gotta get out of here, these kids are LOUD! |
| 20:56.13 | Supaplex | I totally came up with that impromptu :P |
| 20:56.13 | nick125 | Migs3: Where are you? |
| 20:56.14 | Migs3 | there's, like, 20 kids in my house |
| 20:56.23 | Migs3 | and they keep trying to come into my room |
| 20:56.35 | nick125 | Migs3: Who's idea was that? Maybe it'd be a good idea to go to the office :p |
| 20:56.37 | Supaplex | ahh, blockparty babysitter club exchange eh? :) |
| 20:56.46 | Migs3 | yes |
| 20:56.56 | Migs3 | no, I chose a bad day to work from home |
| 20:57.11 | Migs3 | it was my wife's turn to have all her friends over to host their weekly playgroup |
| 20:57.25 | Migs3 | these kids are adorable but SHEESH |
| 20:57.41 | RyanE | loud trumps adorable |
| 20:57.51 | Migs3 | amen to that |
| 20:58.05 | Supaplex | Migs3: the adorable factor is their only defense. w/o it, they'd never reach puberty :P |
| 20:58.20 | Supaplex | argubly anyway |
| 20:58.27 | Migs3 | exactly |
| 20:58.38 | Migs3 | my parents have often informed me I'd be dead if I hadn't been so cute |
| 20:58.46 | RyanE | that's why they make those babies so dang cute. Makes me want to have a bunch of 'em. |
| 20:58.53 | RyanE | until they're about 2... |
| 20:59.03 | Migs3 | no, 2 year olds are good too |
| 20:59.03 | sjansen | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/17_Mistakes_Microsoft_Made_in_the_Xbox_Security_System <-- Fascinating |
| 20:59.09 | Migs3 | maybe when they're around 6 or 7 |
| 20:59.20 | Migs3 | our 3 year old is just a darling |
| 20:59.32 | Migs3 | I wouldn't trade her for anything |
| 20:59.37 | RyanE | so were our first few... :) |
| 20:59.46 | RyanE | but that last one... He's trouble on a stick. |
| 21:00.50 | sjansen | Notice the pronouns used? |
| 21:01.11 | Migs3 | excellent observation |
| 21:01.26 | Migs3 | but I left out my oldest girl. |
| 21:01.32 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.39 | RyanE | Our first one was a boy, too... Totally mellow. |
| 21:02.22 | RyanE | COMPLETELY different than the Army-Man the last one is. Don't make the mistake of thinking you'll get more like the last ones... :) |
| 21:02.33 | RyanE | not that he's bad, but completely different temperment. |
| 21:03.15 | Migs3 | my wife and I plan on conceiving this upcoming summer and spawning a mellow boy child next spring |
| 21:03.18 | Migs3 | that's the plan, at least |
| 21:03.34 | herlo | Migs3: good luck with *that* plan |
| 21:03.37 | herlo | :) |
| 21:03.52 | RyanE | our mellow boy child only has one failing... he's a bit of a know-it-all, and doesn't mind telling you that. |
| 21:04.12 | RyanE | even when he's wrong.. :) My wife blames that trait on me. |
| 21:04.17 | RyanE | ... for some reason... |
| 21:05.27 | tensai | my boys are radically different. I get blamed for both of them. go figure. |
| 21:05.29 | Migs3 | why is it your fault? She's the one who grew him. |
| 21:06.00 | Migs3 | she should've consumed less folic acid. Clearly her fault. |
| 21:06.01 | herlo | RyanE: for good reason she does that |
| 21:06.32 | Migs3 | I don't mind telling people when I know it all, except I'm always right. |
| 21:12.28 | Supaplex | sjansen: it's fun to see how they play whack-a-mole with the public eh? :P I like the A20 hack. |
| 21:39.01 | RedHeron | Supaplex: "they" = M$? |
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| 22:05.16 | atoponce | herlo: when does f9 release? |
| 22:05.38 | jsmith | atoponce: Around May 1st. |
| 22:05.47 | atoponce | herlo: thx. :) |
| 22:05.56 | jsmith | atoponce: Fedora releases are usually around Halloween and May Day. |
| 22:06.05 | atoponce | interesting |
| 22:19.27 | herlo | jsmith: that's a strange way to put it |
| 22:20.27 | jsmith | herlo: Why is that? |
| 22:20.59 | herlo | while true, not many people think about May Day |
| 22:21.06 | jsmith | herlo: Those are the dates specifically picked by the Fedora engineers to shoot for when planning new releases. |
| 22:21.23 | jsmith | herlo: Would you be happier with All Saints Day and the Ides of March? |
| 22:21.25 | herlo | right, just a strange date is all |
| 22:21.34 | herlo | jsmith: at least I konw what the Ides of March is |
| 22:21.36 | herlo | :) |
| 22:21.45 | levi | And that you should beware them! |
| 22:21.47 | herlo | jsmith: it was just strange is all |
| 22:22.27 | elg | strange, because fedora is equivalent to devil worship? |
| 22:22.29 | elg | ~lart emcn |
| 22:22.29 | ibot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays emcn in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 22:50.04 | herlo | jsmith-away: are you already on rawhide? |
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| 23:53.25 | findlay | hm, so by now in my life I've hacked on science, cars, and computers. Where should I go next? |
| 23:53.39 | JoshH | politics |
| 23:54.01 | findlay | but politics isn't logical |
| 23:54.20 | dataw0lf | guns. |
| 23:57.29 | atoponce | calculator science |