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| 00:16.08 | harleypig | Val Kilmer is carrying Knight Rider 2008 so far. |
| 00:16.37 | RyanE | I was unaware he was in it. |
| 00:16.45 | harleypig | He's the voice of KITT |
| 00:16.52 | RyanE | really? wow. |
| 00:17.41 | RyanE | I only saw the first half. |
| 00:18.53 | harleypig | I'm at about the 30 minute mark ... it's so-so ... they're spending a fair amount of time on the build up. |
| 00:19.16 | RyanE | Yeah, the half I saw was OK, but I'm not rushing out to find a torrent of the other half. |
| 00:19.26 | RyanE | I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it... :) |
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| 00:31.37 | rsimpkins | What network is knight rider even on? |
| 00:31.53 | rsimpkins | I can't seem to find an offical site for it. |
| 00:31.58 | harleypig | No idea. I don't watch regular tv anymore ... I just download the shows I want to watch. |
| 00:32.14 | harleypig | Except for Discovery and Hitler^WHistory Channels. |
| 00:32.23 | rsimpkins | Oh, NBC |
| 00:33.23 | rsimpkins | Oh, so it was on yesterday. |
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| 01:00.19 | harleypig | It was on last Sunday, but it's been replaying repeatedly. |
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| 03:06.57 | levi | Mmmm, Rhodes cinnamon rolls. |
| 03:34.41 | levi | I just ate three. |
| 03:47.05 | Sargun | ~logs |
| 03:47.06 | ibot | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 03:49.06 | Sargun | Does anyone in here have public logs in here going back to 2k5? |
| 03:52.12 | lakshmi | uh why? |
| 03:54.07 | Supaplex | to spy on you, of course! |
| 03:56.56 | Sargun | uh, to finally yell at mheath |
| 03:57.13 | Sargun | and prove his homosexual tendencies? |
| 03:58.18 | lakshmi | who is this mheath, and whats wrong with him...? |
| 03:58.23 | Supaplex | I think you have another reason |
| 03:59.43 | Sargun | I do? |
| 03:59.51 | Sargun | I hate mheath, and he screwed me over? |
| 03:59.55 | Sargun | So, I need to get back at him? |
| 04:00.55 | lakshmi | Sargun how exactly did he 'screw you over' |
| 04:01.01 | Supaplex | so I'm wrong. |
| 04:01.08 | Sargun | he discredited my company.. |
| 04:01.14 | Sargun | anywyas |
| 04:01.17 | Sargun | er, anyways. |
| 04:01.37 | lakshmi | why today |
| 04:01.48 | Sargun | Why not today? |
| 04:01.51 | lakshmi | whyd you pick today to seek revenge? |
| 04:01.57 | Sargun | Sun Feb 24 20:01:56 PST 2008 |
| 04:01.58 | lakshmi | well did he piss you off again? |
| 04:02.08 | Sargun | Because its: Sun Feb 24 20:02:08 PST 2008 |
| 04:02.13 | lakshmi | or like why havent you gotten revenge before |
| 04:02.19 | Sargun | uh, too lazy? |
| 04:02.28 | Sargun | and now he pissed me off agian |
| 04:02.30 | Sargun | again |
| 04:02.30 | lakshmi | and wouldnt the smarter thing to do, be to drop it since its been over 3 years? :-) |
| 04:02.37 | lakshmi | oh, whatd he do now? |
| 04:07.32 | levi | Whoa, Portishead is releasing a new album. |
| 04:07.47 | RedHeron | Yeah? |
| 04:09.01 | levi | Called 'Third', and due April 29. |
| 04:09.59 | Sargun | oh, Ender? |
| 04:10.29 | levi | Heh, they will be playing at Coachella this year with Roger Waters, Kraftwerk, the Verve, and others who have been less 'dead' lately. |
| 04:10.40 | levi | Sargun: No, Portishead has nothing to do with Ender. |
| 04:11.25 | Sargun | Isn't there supposed to be an ender's game movie? |
| 04:11.35 | levi | Supposedly. |
| 04:12.19 | levi | IMDB says it's in pre-production. |
| 04:12.49 | Sargun | IMDB can be wrong |
| 04:13.14 | levi | Which is why I said 'IMDB says...' instead of saying it's in pre-production. |
| 04:14.38 | levi | This place probably has better information: http://endersgamemovie.blogspot.com/ |
| 04:15.47 | Sargun | :-( |
| 04:16.10 | Sargun | I have a feeling that's going to end like "The Halo Movie" or "The Splinter Cell Movie" |
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| 04:34.42 | levi | Good evening, elg. |
| 04:37.57 | findlay | ~end Sargun's game |
| 04:54.08 | levi | Ha ha. Ralph Nader is going to run for President again. |
| 04:57.07 | Sargun | :-( |
| 04:57.50 | nick125 | Sargun: Do you know of any way to (ab)use the gentoo networking scripts into running a custom command when I connect to a certain AP? |
| 04:58.20 | findlay | ~date |
| 04:58.21 | ibot | It is now 2008.02.25 4:58:21 GMT |
| 04:58.51 | nick125 | nevermind, I think I figured it out. |
| 04:59.00 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:59.02 | Sargun | how |
| 04:59.26 | nick125 | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=5 |
| 05:00.20 | Sargun | oh, no, documentation! |
| 05:01.11 | nick125 | lol |
| 05:32.57 | levi | This is some pretty crazy hardware: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080224-metaram-quadruples-ddr2-dimm-capacities-launches-8gb-dimms.html |
| 05:33.04 | levi | Supaplex: What did you learn? |
| 05:34.09 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/yF65M998.html first I was confused why the first hunk wasn't patching. then I noticed line 52 in this pasted doesn't match line 29 |
| 05:34.21 | Supaplex | s/pasted/paste/ |
| 05:35.56 | Supaplex | and the line I composed on 44 takes out some of the guess work. grep -B 3 ... adds a little clarity. (if lines preceeding the diff were changed) |
| 05:37.38 | levi | Ahh, I see. |
| 05:39.22 | Supaplex | and another http://rafb.net/p/Y9cfbI29.html compare 23+24 to 36+37 :) |
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| 07:53.22 | nick125 | hmm....I'm debating on removing the CPU scalers from my kernel on my EEE...since it doesn't really help increase battery life |
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| 08:00.56 | Sargun | nick125, are you sure |
| 08:01.35 | nick125 | Sargun: the EEE uses a Celeron, which doesn't have voltage scaling. It only decreases the clockspeed, not the voltage. |
| 08:01.41 | Sargun | Celery |
| 08:01.49 | nick125 | yeah |
| 08:01.55 | Sargun | eww |
| 08:09.47 | Supaplex | Carrots mmmmm ;) |
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| 10:12.24 | lakshmi | o.0 |
| 10:17.08 | sontek | ~figlet celery |
| 10:17.15 | sontek | aww, ibot needs figlet |
| 10:17.23 | sontek | -figlet celery |
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| 10:17.30 | sontek | w00t, brac has him |
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| 14:31.40 | sontek | You ever decide that pulling an allnighter is a good idea |
| 14:31.52 | sontek | and then around 8am you start regretting that decision as you get ready for work? |
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| 14:59.32 | nick125 | sontek: yup |
| 15:16.16 | goozbach | sontek: the latest time, just last week |
| 15:25.15 | findlay | celerity |
| 15:35.23 | goozbach | figlet_in_IRC-- |
| 15:35.35 | goozbach | (unless ironic) |
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| 15:37.24 | goozbach | let that be a lesson to all of you! |
| 15:42.31 | harleypi1 | why is it there if not to be used? |
| 15:44.12 | harleypi1 | -figlet OINK! |
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| 15:53.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxu_MQSTTY&NR=1 |
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| 15:56.36 | goozbach | ~dict irony |
| 15:57.23 | fozzmoo | Like Microsoft embracing open source |
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| 16:25.09 | tensai | like Bill G mocking Linus for looking nerdy |
| 16:27.25 | elg | billy g is not my daughter |
| 16:27.43 | elg | just a guy who says that I am a nerd |
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| 16:37.10 | sjansen | http://www.goondocks.com/blog/08-02-24/php_an_introspective_retrospective.aspx |
| 16:38.16 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> A PHP-free zone. | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Friends don't let friends use dselect. |
| 16:38.16 | fozzmoo | w00t! |
| 16:38.22 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 16:40.14 | fozzmoo | He still doesn't address the general oblivion of the PHP community. |
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| 16:45.06 | elg | hmmm. "I began using PHP in 1998 and used it heavily until 2004 when I discovered ASP.NET (C#)." |
| 16:45.20 | elg | why should I read past that opening sentence? |
| 16:47.43 | ^Migs^ | he didn't "discover" ASP.NET |
| 16:48.36 | elg | have you ever read a lengthy document online? something that takes on the order of weeks or months to get through? something with bite-size chunks each on their own page? something where a real bookmark paradigm would be useful instead of a "let's glue this tab to the page" concept that most browsers call bookmarks? |
| 16:48.47 | elg | anyone know of a firefox extension along those lines? |
| 16:51.02 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Sure he did. Just like on can discover a favorite food, a favorite author or that a co-worker is an incompetent fake, one can discover a technology. |
| 16:52.51 | sjansen | Previous job. |
| 16:53.08 | ^Migs^ | or my current job. |
| 16:53.32 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: heh :P |
| 16:53.33 | atoponce | bummer. not redbeard2 eh? |
| 16:53.36 | ^Migs^ | I kind of wish I had spoken up sooner, but the incompetent fake is here to stay now. |
| 16:53.42 | sjansen | bummer |
| 16:53.43 | ^Migs^ | I just wanted to give the guy a chance |
| 16:54.04 | ^Migs^ | some incompetent fakes are really good at BSing, though |
| 16:54.19 | Supaplex | it's how they stay alive |
| 16:55.34 | *** topic/#utah by atoponce -> A PHP-free zone. | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Friends don't let friends use dselect. | Zelut welcomes fatherhood |
| 16:56.51 | elg | but does fatherhood welcome zelut? |
| 16:58.20 | sjansen | Perhaps that should instead be "Zelut has found another way to recruit Ubuntu users: fatherhood" |
| 16:59.05 | sjansen | A slow and expensive process, but history has shown it can scale. |
| 16:59.43 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:03.17 | elg | never underestimate, nor overestimate, the power of parental indoctrination |
| 17:16.34 | fozzmoo | elg: My dad disagrees. |
| 17:18.15 | elg | he thinks you shoudl either underestimate or overestimate it? |
| 17:18.28 | fozzmoo | elg: heh. |
| 17:21.34 | herlo | elg: does that mean we should just estimate the power of parental indoctrination? |
| 17:21.55 | elg | yes. and know you'll be wrong |
| 17:22.03 | herlo | darn! |
| 17:22.15 | herlo | I was wrong... |
| 17:22.20 | herlo | first time in my life |
| 17:22.22 | goozbach | is it just me, or is the plug list really quiet lately? |
| 17:22.25 | elg | but it was an estimate, so that's ok |
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| 17:22.39 | herlo | elg: oh, so right, I guess I was just mistaken |
| 17:22.41 | sjansen | herlo: You were in the ball park. |
| 17:22.47 | herlo | sjansen: I like ball parks |
| 17:22.56 | elg | if you build them... |
| 17:23.01 | herlo | goozbach: its because I haven't been here |
| 17:23.07 | elg | (but don't overestimate how many will come) |
| 17:23.07 | herlo | elg: field of dreams |
| 17:23.22 | herlo | I love dreams when there is a baseball field |
| 17:23.40 | herlo | http://rejon.org/2008/02/25/my-cousins-mariosnl-parody/ |
| 17:23.43 | herlo | thought I'd share |
| 17:23.50 | elg | do your baseball field dreams usually include 1930s cheerleaders? |
| 17:24.00 | herlo | funny parody on super mario bros |
| 17:24.09 | herlo | elg: maybe... |
| 17:26.35 | elg | i thought so |
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| 17:31.25 | maquis | mmm |
| 17:31.30 | maquis | ballpark hot dogs |
| 17:31.44 | sjansen | ~steal maquis's hot dogs |
| 17:31.45 | ibot | ACTION grabs maquis's hot dogs and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:32.22 | sjansen | Anyone have any eggs I can steal for breakfast too? |
| 17:33.33 | herlo | sjansen: I do |
| 17:33.35 | atoponce | ~green eggs |
| 17:39.56 | maquis | mmm |
| 17:40.01 | maquis | green eggs and ham |
| 17:40.28 | maquis | when i was really little, my dad made green eggs and ham for me for breakfast one day |
| 17:40.52 | maquis | i remember it being *really* good |
| 17:40.53 | elg | maquis: st patrick's day is coming up |
| 17:41.00 | elg | you can make it for your own self |
| 17:41.13 | maquis | elg: i don't think that's what made it so good |
| 17:41.53 | elg | what was it? |
| 17:42.10 | maquis | 2 things: 1) it was based off of my then-favorite book |
| 17:42.26 | maquis | 2) my daddy took the time to make it, which made a world of difference in *anything* at that point in life |
| 17:43.41 | herlo | elg: st patty's day is also my son's birthday |
| 17:43.53 | herlo | elg: so next time you refer to it, it should be |
| 17:43.57 | herlo | herlo's son's birthday |
| 17:44.32 | elg | of course you named him patrick |
| 17:44.46 | herlo | elg: no, shaun, based upon sean (the true spelling) |
| 17:45.03 | elg | shaun is the true spelling? or sean is? |
| 17:45.07 | herlo | sean |
| 17:45.12 | elg | so why did you name him shaun? |
| 17:45.18 | herlo | his mom is named shauna |
| 17:45.25 | elg | ah |
| 17:45.37 | herlo | his name is shaun michael |
| 17:45.50 | herlo | fairly irish if you ask me |
| 17:45.50 | elg | my son is lachlan padráig. he wasn't born on st patrick's day but we can pretend |
| 17:45.59 | herlo | I'd say |
| 17:46.05 | herlo | that's really irish |
| 17:46.07 | herlo | Irish |
| 17:46.31 | elg | and my wife's mom managed to come up with the most annoying nickname possible. she calls him lucky paddy |
| 17:46.47 | elg | lucky would be great. I predict he'll be called lucky a lot |
| 17:46.51 | elg | paddy, also fine |
| 17:46.56 | elg | but together... sheesh |
| 17:47.37 | elg | my wife's name is Erin, so it's a nice continuation on a theme |
| 17:47.49 | elg | though she doesn't feel particularly Irishish |
| 17:47.57 | herlo | Erin is a nice name |
| 17:48.06 | maquis | Erin is a very nice name... |
| 17:48.25 | herlo | maquis: you are biased |
| 17:48.40 | atoponce | aaron is a better spelling |
| 17:48.51 | maquis | atoponce: i disagree |
| 17:48.54 | atoponce | :) |
| 17:48.57 | herlo | maquis: it took me a sec though to remember your first name, I'm so used ot calling you maquis |
| 17:49.01 | elg | some of us can tell the difference between aaron and erin |
| 17:49.12 | atoponce | elg: and many can't |
| 17:49.30 | atoponce | hostess: "and what's your name?" |
| 17:49.31 | maquis | herlo: no worries... there's a lot of people on here where i have trouble connecting names with the nick |
| 17:49.33 | atoponce | me: Aaron |
| 17:49.41 | atoponce | (hostess writes "Erin") |
| 17:49.51 | maquis | atoponce: i get that in the opposite direction |
| 17:49.52 | maquis | :) |
| 17:49.55 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:50.02 | elg | heh. well that's plain silly |
| 17:50.02 | maquis | or i get the question "oh, is that with an A or an E?" |
| 17:50.05 | elg | but I'm talking pronunciation |
| 17:50.11 | atoponce | maquis: i get that a bunch too |
| 17:50.38 | elg | I get people writing my name in all kinds of strange ways, and pronouncing it even odder |
| 17:50.48 | elg | there's no accounting for people ;-) |
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| 17:51.54 | RyanE | there's no people for accounting. |
| 17:52.41 | herlo | maquis: it was just foreign to me to think of you as other than maquis. |
| 17:52.48 | maquis | herlo: :) |
| 17:53.03 | herlo | but as Heartsbane likes to point out, we get too hung up on RL names |
| 17:53.18 | herlo | maquis: and they mean similar things, sort of... |
| 17:54.09 | herlo | maquis: for a long time, I would put in deprecation and be told it wasnt a real word by my managers. And at the time (circa 1998) I couldn't find any good references to prove them wrong other than javadocs |
| 17:55.17 | elg | ~dict deprecate |
| 17:55.28 | elg | ~dict deprecate 2 |
| 17:55.34 | elg | ~dict 2 deprecate |
| 17:55.40 | elg | ~dict 3 deprecate |
| 17:55.45 | elg | ~dict 4 deprecate |
| 17:55.52 | elg | looks real enough |
| 17:56.38 | elg | dictionaries weren't so easy to get ahold of back then, so i understand |
| 17:56.42 | herlo | ~dict depreciate |
| 17:57.01 | elg | my oxford dictionary says that deprecate is another term for depreciate, too |
| 17:57.22 | elg | (sense 2 - "he deprecates the value of children's programming") |
| 17:57.47 | elg | and then there's self-deprecating humor |
| 17:57.54 | elg | origin 17th century, says it |
| 17:58.10 | elg | so you could say your bosses were stuck in the 16th century |
| 17:58.22 | dataw0lf | ugh, weddings are expensive |
| 17:59.49 | sjansen | dataw0lf: You could always counter offer a trip to Hawaii in exchange for a shorter guest list and a spring dress instead of a wedding dress. |
| 18:00.23 | sjansen | (Just don't get caught spending the rest of the savings on computer parts. That probably won't go over well.) |
| 18:00.53 | dataw0lf | oh it's going to be a pretty informal, small wedding |
| 18:00.56 | RyanE | dataw0lf: I've been told divorces are *more*... :) |
| 18:01.08 | dataw0lf | but we're splurging on this resort in Tahoe for the party |
| 18:01.10 | RyanE | fortunately, no first-hand experience of that one. |
| 18:01.38 | dataw0lf | RyanE: heh, there's a point |
| 18:03.21 | goozbach | stupid chinese web crawling spiders |
| 18:04.38 | elg | i'll tell you what's stupid. that vine on my fence |
| 18:05.45 | herlo | elg: goozbach: actually, the stupid ones are those darned box elder bugs! |
| 18:13.18 | maquis | ok. what's with people using stupid text-messaging spelling all over the place? |
| 18:14.34 | RyanE | maquis: news flash: people are dumb. |
| 18:14.49 | maquis | RyanE: yeah... but it's annoying |
| 18:15.07 | RyanE | maquis: news flash: people are annoying. |
| 18:15.55 | neybar | what is the key combination to reset a terminal? I got disconnected from a remote server and the colors are all screwy now |
| 18:16.10 | maquis | stty sane? |
| 18:16.20 | goozbach | neybar: ctrl-j stty sane ctrl-j |
| 18:16.33 | goozbach | or ctrl-j reset ctrl-j |
| 18:17.21 | goozbach | if you can actually see your terminal and interact with it, "reset<enter>" usually fixes it |
| 18:17.53 | neybar | yeah reset works like a champ... funny how there is a command with the exact name of what I want to do... |
| 18:19.45 | levi | Craziness! |
| 18:20.13 | RyanE | yeah, how do I 'reboot' my linux box? :) |
| 18:20.23 | levi | Jayce^: Cool. :) |
| 18:20.54 | Jayce^ | I figure I have two months where my job is making sure other people do my job... |
| 18:21.06 | Jayce^ | I have some time to finally catch up on at least one pet project |
| 18:21.15 | elg | :) |
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| 18:26.34 | vontrapp | ~dict discrimination |
| 18:26.50 | vontrapp | -dict discrimination |
| 18:27.10 | elg | -chat |
| 18:27.12 | brac | I though |
| 18:27.44 | vontrapp | dictionary.reference.com refuses to work |
| 18:27.49 | vontrapp | any other sources? |
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| 18:28.48 | goozbach | o/~ bananaPHONE! o/~ |
| 18:32.33 | findlay | wiktionary |
| 18:32.42 | findlay | OED |
| 18:34.48 | pashdown | http://le.utah.gov/~2008/bills/hbillint/hb0407s02.htm |
| 18:34.49 | brac | [Utah Legislature HB0407S02] |
| 18:37.59 | goozbach | pashdown: is this the rebirth of the wireless bill that was proposed a while ago? |
| 18:38.27 | pashdown | sort of, its not directly affecting wireless, just internet provision in general |
| 18:39.13 | pashdown | in short, xmission is now given the opportunity to sign up for being fined $10K if we don't hand over information to law enforcement about our customers without a court order. |
| 18:39.31 | levi | Yeesh. |
| 18:39.32 | pashdown | in other words, we won't sign up |
| 18:40.16 | goozbach | that's what I thought "sign up here and we'll fine you when some intellegent 15yr old gets porn off the internet" |
| 18:40.31 | maquis | huh? |
| 18:40.37 | maquis | so, you can choose not to sign up? |
| 18:40.45 | maquis | and therefore are not risking getting fined? |
| 18:40.53 | maquis | what's the advantage to signing up? |
| 18:40.53 | pashdown | yeah |
| 18:40.56 | goozbach | at least it's not mandated |
| 18:41.12 | pashdown | you get to use a seal that says you're a "Community Conscious ISP"! |
| 18:41.20 | maquis | *scoff* |
| 18:41.35 | levi | Hah. |
| 18:41.57 | goozbach | shouldn't it say "Nanny state conscious ISP -- you have NO rights or privacy"? |
| 18:42.02 | maquis | hey! this feels better than pulling my own hair out! |
| 18:42.12 | fozzmoo | maquis: There's plenty more where that came from. |
| 18:42.33 | pashdown | BIG BROTHER APPROVED! |
| 18:43.00 | fozzmoo | This is so... dare I say... fascist? |
| 18:43.11 | maquis | pashdown: i hope you can make some changes in the way our government works... |
| 18:43.53 | levi | pashdown: Does it come with the Two Minutes Hate? |
| 18:44.09 | pashdown | ? |
| 18:44.57 | findlay | haha @ Community Conscious ISP |
| 18:45.09 | levi | From 1984. Every day, the screens show for 2 minutes images of the Party's enemies, so you can get your hate on. |
| 18:45.29 | maquis | i need to read that book again |
| 18:45.36 | pashdown | heh |
| 18:45.38 | pashdown | good reference |
| 18:45.47 | levi | And completely demonize your enemies. |
| 18:45.50 | maquis | back when i read it the first time, it didn't have anywhere near as much relation to real-life |
| 18:46.07 | maquis | although, it could just be depressing to read it now |
| 18:46.18 | findlay | that's a brand I'd avoid like I eschew "$ISV recommends Windows(R) Vista(R) Home(R) Basic(R)" |
| 18:47.21 | findlay | ! |
| 18:47.40 | maquis | ~(R) |
| 18:47.41 | maquis | er |
| 18:47.44 | maquis | !(R) |
| 18:49.24 | elg | I find your lack of unicode disturbing |
| 18:49.28 | elg | s/(R)/®/ |
| 18:50.03 | findlay | ~(R) maquis |
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| 18:55.15 | fozzmoo | Michael T. Morley (R) |
| 18:56.55 | vontrapp | ~® $maquis is <action> hereby takes all ownership of and exclusive rights over any and all products, writings, and ideas of $maquis so far as such things can be deemed intellectual property. |
| 18:56.56 | ibot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, vontrapp |
| 18:57.09 | vontrapp | ibot: you're illegal |
| 18:58.24 | vontrapp | i guess that should be © |
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| 19:12.42 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Go ahead, dare. Just remember, the Republicans have been leading the charge to institutionalize fascism lately. At least the Democrats have made some whimpering half-hearted attempts to block it. |
| 19:13.43 | Jayce^ | pshaw sjansen... not block, just change flavor |
| 19:15.01 | sjansen | pashdown: I don't see the problem. Pakistan has already taught us the way forward. Personally, I think it's a great business plan "For just $55/month we'll make sure you Internet connection never works!" |
| 19:17.35 | Jayce^ | sjansen, pakistan? I thought that was qwest's motto a while back |
| 19:22.39 | pashdown | heh |
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| 19:22.50 | lakshmi | hey |
| 19:26.31 | sjansen | More techno! |
| 19:28.46 | Sargun | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 19:28.49 | ibot | fozzmoo is currently on #utos #utah. Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 33m 34s, last said: 'Michael T. Morley (R)'. |
| 19:29.01 | Sargun | sjansen, That was a bad line from life aquatic. |
| 19:31.56 | lakshmi | whats wrong with techno! |
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| 19:37.29 | vontrapp | nothing is wrong with techno |
| 19:39.00 | nick125 | mmmm |
| 19:41.09 | Sargun | <nick125> C or C++ with something like SDL, OpenGL or DirectX (depending on if they need 3D) |
| 19:41.15 | Sargun | Nick, you want to use DirectX? |
| 19:41.24 | Sargun | you deserve to be slapped |
| 19:42.18 | Sargun | nick125, What happened to the wireless voting guy |
| 19:44.54 | pashdown | lessig not running for congress :( |
| 19:45.21 | pashdown | http://peteashdown.org/journal/2008/02/25/the-big-brother-seal-of-approval/ HB407 response |
| 19:47.01 | herlo | pashdown: he's not? |
| 19:47.10 | Sargun | Xmission can afford to give up $10k |
| 19:47.14 | herlo | pashdown: I was just talking with a fellow on sat about his run this year... |
| 19:47.56 | pashdown | just got an email from him |
| 19:48.15 | pashdown | http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/on_why_i_am_not_running.html |
| 19:48.17 | brac | [On why I am not running (Lessig Blog)] |
| 19:49.13 | herlo | pashdown: aww, that sucks, this guy "M. David Peterson" IIRC, was his web admin and was selling his running for congress like it was a done deal |
| 19:50.00 | herlo | guess they changed their minds... |
| 19:50.49 | herlo | I like this comment |
| 19:51.09 | herlo | Thanks to everyone who helped me make this decision -- and especially the many friends in the harshest way told me it would be a mistake. |
| 19:51.17 | nick125 | Sargun: He probably went insane |
| 19:52.59 | Sargun | I hope I drove him insane |
| 19:57.00 | nick125 | Probably |
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| 20:50.17 | levi | Watching the IEEE standardization process at work is pretty interesting, even if I don't get directly involved. |
| 20:51.04 | goozbach | I need beef jerky |
| 20:51.06 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 21:00.48 | Lakshmi | im bored |
| 21:01.09 | thaddeusq | me too |
| 21:19.42 | Jayce^ | goozbach, I have some here :) |
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| 21:28.07 | Sargun | levi, Its kind of sad. |
| 21:28.38 | Sargun | "you should start talking to your vendor if this is important to you." <- That's your job.. |
| 21:28.55 | Sargun | "Competitors always have to work together, with or without a standard. Of all of the things that are going on in the IEEE, jumbo frames have a low priority due to low demand from users. " |
| 21:29.47 | levi | Who are those quotes from? |
| 21:30.11 | Sargun | The IEEE |
| 21:30.18 | Sargun | Well, Greg Hankins |
| 21:30.30 | levi | 'The IEEE' doesn't make statements, it makes standards documents. |
| 21:30.39 | Sargun | The guy who is the NANOG contact at the IEEE |
| 21:31.30 | Sargun | on the 100GigE standards comitee |
| 21:31.35 | levi | The IEEE is driven by the people who work in it. They're largely employed by vendors. So, if you want something, you should indeed work through your vendor. |
| 21:31.36 | Sargun | committee |
| 21:32.08 | Sargun | Well, I'm asking them to create another L2 protocol to cause compatibility |
| 21:32.19 | Sargun | My vendor tells me CDP, but we all know how great CDP is. |
| 21:32.46 | levi | What do you mean by 'another L2 protocol to cause compatibility'? |
| 21:33.30 | Sargun | levi, Well, the question I asked him was about MTUs on ethernet LANs. NetOps want higher MTUs for a variety of reasons. Every vendor has a different definition of MTU |
| 21:33.59 | Sargun | and you have to set the lowest MTU out of any of the people you connect to. |
| 21:34.46 | Sargun | So, we [NANOG] asked if the IEEE could define a minimum MTU for the new 100GigE standard, or if the IEEE could define a protocol in order to negotiate the MTU |
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| 21:38.48 | levi | Sargun: Regardless of whether there is a standard, such a thing would have to be implemented by ethernet vendors to be useful. So, you need to make them interested in doing it before they'll work on an IEEE standard for it. |
| 21:39.35 | Sargun | levi, Cisco is interested in it with CDP, but that only works with Cisco devices. Foundry does LLDP, but that only works well with a very high class of foundry devices... |
| 21:40.02 | Sargun | Juniper doesn't do anything yet. |
| 21:40.11 | levi | LLDP is an IEEE standard already. |
| 21:41.04 | Sargun | levi, I know, but nobody implements all of LLDP -- yet. |
| 21:41.25 | levi | Well, this is clearly not a problem to be solved by IEEE then, is it? |
| 21:41.25 | Supaplex | isn't this a catch 22? |
| 21:41.44 | Sargun | Can't they just say "Don't have an MTU under 9k" |
| 21:41.48 | Tene | Sargun: and you think they're more likely to immplement the standard you're proposing? |
| 21:41.55 | Sargun | "On 100GigE ethernet" |
| 21:42.01 | levi | Sargun: Not if vendors on the standards body don't want it to say that. |
| 21:42.08 | Sargun | Tene, Juniper proposed a standard and got shot down... |
| 21:42.51 | levi | IEEE is not some ivory tower group imposing standards upon the world. It's a bunch of people who belong to companies that want to cooperate in certain areas. |
| 21:43.17 | Sargun | Uh, they are a group which imposes standards on the world, and charges lots of money for access to them. |
| 21:43.19 | Sargun | :-) |
| 21:43.22 | levi | Cooperation will only happen in the areas that the companies involved will compromise on. |
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| 21:43.52 | levi | They are self-imposed standards. |
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| 21:44.57 | levi | The only reason IEEE has any power is that it's composed of representatives from the companies who are implementing the standards. |
| 21:45.40 | elg | and because it has 3 Es |
| 21:45.42 | elg | that helps |
| 21:45.47 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 21:45.52 | elg | because Es are wider than Is |
| 21:45.57 | Supaplex | sjansen: that's 2/29 at McD's 0.29$ cheeseburger day |
| 21:46.00 | tensai | eeelg |
| 21:46.00 | elg | the IIIE would be less powerful |
| 21:46.05 | Sargun | levi, What also bugs me is that the big-three want to implement a minimum MTU |
| 21:46.58 | levi | Well, then they've got to convince everyone on the committee that it's a good idea. |
| 21:47.27 | Sargun | Yeah, hopefully that happens soon. |
| 21:47.49 | Sargun | before 120GigE/140GigE/160GigE/200GigE |
| 21:47.59 | sjansen | Supaplex: Really? "Here's $20, feed that Boy Scout troop." |
| 21:48.09 | Supaplex | yup :) |
| 21:48.27 | Supaplex | it's limit 10 per customer, but if you had others in your party, I don't see how they could decline |
| 21:48.40 | Supaplex | unless they run out of recall free meat ;) |
| 21:48.41 | levi | Sargun: I predict that LLDP will become more commonly implemented in the future, anyway. |
| 21:48.48 | Sargun | levi, I hope so. |
| 21:48.55 | Sargun | Are you implementing LLDP? |
| 21:49.10 | levi | I have partially implemented LLDP, yes. |
| 21:49.15 | Sargun | hopefully they add a type for MTU |
| 21:49.20 | Sargun | your company? |
| 21:49.32 | levi | There's already an 802.3 TLV that includes MTU information. |
| 21:49.47 | levi | I have personally partially implemented LLDP. |
| 21:50.02 | Sargun | oh, you have personal embedded projects? |
| 21:50.03 | Sargun | Like? |
| 21:50.22 | levi | Well, I wrote it for my company, not for a personal project. |
| 21:50.39 | Sargun | oh okk |
| 21:50.53 | levi | It's a prerequisite for AVB, though. |
| 21:52.01 | levi | So all AVB-capable switches will support at least the base LLDP TLVs plus AVB TLVs. |
| 21:52.32 | Sargun | So, Harman's AV/Ethernet protocol, does it use IP? |
| 21:52.40 | Sargun | or do they have an AV over ethernet protocol? |
| 21:56.26 | levi | There are a couple of streaming media protocols, IEEE 1722 and 1733. |
| 21:57.33 | nick125 | I'm sorry, but I missed part of the conversation: what's wrong with (ab)using http for streaming media? |
| 21:58.01 | levi | nick125: Nothing, if you're just streaming some media from one room to another. |
| 21:58.19 | nick125 | I wonder how well that'd work with multicast, if at all. |
| 21:58.36 | ^Migs^ | if a vocal group of people say you shouldn't do something, you shouldn't do it |
| 21:58.54 | nick125 | Even if it didn't work well with multicast, build on top of http and add multicasting. |
| 21:59.07 | levi | But it ain't going to cut it if you need any kind of guarantees about when your audio arrives and when it plays. |
| 21:59.25 | levi | And how those interact with other traffic on the network. |
| 22:00.08 | Sargun | nick125, Isn't multicast Layer3? |
| 22:00.35 | Sargun | why HTTP? |
| 22:01.17 | nick125 | Sargun: Well, I'm not sure how well http works with multicast |
| 22:01.23 | levi | Layer 3 multicast is, necessarily, implemented on top of layer 2 multicast. |
| 22:01.39 | nick125 | this laptop feels....massive...I need to go back to my eee |
| 22:01.41 | nick125 | brb |
| 22:01.59 | Sargun | HTTP wouldn't work with multicast, its TCP |
| 22:02.32 | levi | Anyway, I've wasted enough time trying to educate Sargun. Back to reading... |
| 22:03.10 | Sargun | nick125, DCCP maybe? |
| 22:03.37 | Sargun | nick125, Depressingly levi has a good point. |
| 22:03.43 | bonez44 | if a site works fine when opened with IE, but some parts of it....fill in boxes, etc.., fail to work on the same page if opened with Firefox...what might be the cause of the failure? likely cause? |
| 22:04.00 | Sargun | if you need any sort of QoS guarantee you need SCTP |
| 22:04.11 | sjansen | amateur Web developers? |
| 22:04.13 | Tene | bonez44: site was written to work well with IE, without testing on other browsers. |
| 22:04.24 | Jayce^ | bonez44, strange javascript, bad html, etc.. what sjansen said :) |
| 22:04.31 | sjansen | amateur Web developers pretending to be professionals? |
| 22:04.32 | Tene | javascript stuff, probably. |
| 22:08.17 | levi | Sargun: If you want any sort of QoS guarantees, you need cooperation from your switches. Thus, the AVB standards. |
| 22:08.54 | Sargun | bonez44, implementers not implementing to the standard [web browsers] |
| 22:09.34 | levi | AVB is precisely the set of protocols necessary to do streaming media on an ethernet LAN correctly. |
| 22:16.47 | moriancumer | in sed, how would I delete a line beginning with 'FSR' and the next 7 consecutive lines? |
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| 22:27.30 | elg | who wants to be my outbound smtp server? |
| 22:27.33 | elg | my ISP is braindead |
| 22:28.12 | vontrapp | elg: you _could_ use gmail i suppose |
| 22:28.32 | elg | hm. from one braindeath to another |
| 22:28.43 | Supaplex | what about port 587? or ssl/vpn tunnel? |
| 22:28.48 | vontrapp | arg, whenever i use screen from iterm, backspace gets all b0rked |
| 22:28.50 | elg | no, it's not that |
| 22:28.54 | elg | I'm sending mail through my isp |
| 22:28.56 | nick125 | elg: What's your ISP doing? |
| 22:28.59 | Supaplex | or ssh tunnel I mean |
| 22:29.06 | vontrapp | make that screen on a remote host from iterm |
| 22:29.13 | elg | they responded to my brother's braindeath with their own. |
| 22:29.52 | vontrapp | i caused an email loop with a large number of emails, partly due to gmail's breandeath, mostly my own ;) |
| 22:30.04 | vontrapp | and partly zianet |
| 22:30.14 | sjansen | details, man, details! |
| 22:30.21 | elg | he tried to bounce a few years worth of email to his gmail account |
| 22:30.31 | elg | to his fugal.net account with .forward set to his gmail account, that is |
| 22:30.32 | vontrapp | zianet responded to a temporary error by resending |
| 22:30.36 | elg | through the fugal.net smtp server |
| 22:30.54 | nick125 | And your ISP killed your SMTP server? |
| 22:30.57 | elg | gmail sent the temporary error (too many emails at once, dude) |
| 22:31.14 | vontrapp | elg: no, i don't belive i used my fugal.net address, i think i bounced straight to gmail |
| 22:31.27 | elg | ok, whatever it was it was going through our smtp server |
| 22:31.30 | elg | which goes through our isp |
| 22:31.31 | elg | then to gmail |
| 22:31.35 | vontrapp | and it's not like it was a thousand messages |
| 22:31.49 | sjansen | So you've been blacklisted? |
| 22:31.51 | elg | so now, and this is the odd part, |
| 22:32.15 | elg | only mail from any gmail user to a fugal.net address which forwards to a gmail address |
| 22:32.21 | elg | is rejected by zianet when I try to relay it |
| 22:32.26 | elg | all other mail is fine |
| 22:32.41 | elg | including mail sent by e.g. mutt from that server to one of the said fugal.net addresses which forward to gmail |
| 22:32.43 | nick125 | elg: Do you need to use a relay? |
| 22:32.52 | vontrapp | yep, strange strange |
| 22:33.00 | elg | the port isn't blocked |
| 22:33.04 | vontrapp | it's not even a relay |
| 22:33.08 | elg | but I don't trust $RANDOM_SERVERS to not reject me because I'm on residential DSL subnets |
| 22:33.24 | vontrapp | mail from gmail To: someone@fugal.net |
| 22:33.38 | vontrapp | someone@fugal.net forwards (via procmail, e.g.) to gmail.com |
| 22:33.39 | elg | sure it's a relay |
| 22:34.02 | vontrapp | well yeah, railayed through gmail |
| 22:34.05 | nick125 | elg: I'm saying, why do you have to use zianet's relay? |
| 22:34.06 | nick125 | brb |
| 22:34.08 | vontrapp | gmail relays it to fugal.net |
| 22:34.15 | elg | nick125: right. no but i'm leary not to |
| 22:34.38 | elg | gmail sends it to fugal.net which forwards it to gmail via a relay on zianet |
| 22:34.41 | vontrapp | oh i see, you're talking about relay as a solution |
| 22:34.42 | elg | 3 words |
| 22:34.44 | elg | :) |
| 22:34.56 | vontrapp | well, ok |
| 22:34.58 | elg | well he's talking about not relaying as a solution |
| 22:35.30 | nick125 | I haven't had any problems with my mail server, but I'm not exactly on a residential IP block. |
| 22:36.08 | vontrapp | anyway, zianet responded to the temporary error by bouncing the message back to me, where i had a .forward to gmail.com in place already |
| 22:36.18 | vontrapp | :/ |
| 22:39.31 | vontrapp | on an entirely unrelated note... how can one get a summary of differences between two directory trees? including files? |
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| 22:40.52 | sjansen | diff -r |
| 22:42.00 | vontrapp | what about like so? M ./admin/gateway.php -2 +4 |
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| 22:43.24 | elg | diffstat? |
| 22:45.01 | vontrapp | i do't see a recursive option for diffstat |
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| 23:01.44 | elg | what about something like diff -urN old new | diffstat |
| 23:04.37 | vontrapp | almost, but it doesn't tell me if the file is new or modified or missing |
| 23:04.45 | vontrapp | and it uses twice as many lines as necessary |
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| 23:22.46 | herlo | anyone interested in playing boardgames tomorrow night? |
| 23:23.47 | vontrapp | herlo: i would like to play unexploded cow, but i have way too much to do |
| 23:24.07 | herlo | vontrapp: hows that one played ? |
| 23:24.23 | vontrapp | it's actually a card game, and i haven't played it yet |
| 23:24.27 | vontrapp | though i have it |
| 23:24.35 | herlo | vontrapp: bring it over, http://gamesutah.org |
| 23:26.11 | findlay | gamerz |
| 23:26.40 | herlo | findlay: huh? |
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| 23:33.56 | levi | findlay: How come you've got 'sinecure' as your join message? |
| 23:34.16 | findlay | levi: it's a long story |
| 23:35.09 | findlay | I feeled sinecured |
| 23:35.12 | findlay | s/ed// |
| 23:35.36 | levi | I want a sinecure. |
| 23:36.13 | levi | rsimpkins: PLUG is taking another break, eh? |
| 23:37.16 | findlay | levi: well, you can have my sinecure of disappointment |
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| 23:52.21 | RyanE | herlo: how about mag blast? I could bring that, and might even be able to come, if I'm completely over the cold by tomorrow. |
| 23:52.46 | herlo | RyanE: cool. But I won't count on it! |
| 23:52.49 | herlo | :) |
| 23:52.57 | RyanE | I think you should hold your breath. :) |
| 23:53.58 | herlo | yeah, I would be dead long before you came :) |
| 23:54.46 | RyanE | yeah, but it's a great way to lose weight. :) |
| 23:54.55 | herlo | true |
| 23:55.15 | vontrapp | dying is always a great way to lose weight |
| 23:55.58 | herlo | its semi-painless as long as you do it a certain way |
| 23:56.01 | RyanE | Holy Cow! Off of 53rd! Maybe I'll just stay late at work... :) |
| 23:56.13 | herlo | RyanE: duh, I moved |
| 23:56.21 | RyanE | yeah, I noticed. |
| 23:56.29 | RyanE | Just didn't know where to. :) |
| 23:56.50 | herlo | hehe, guess you and I should hang out on occasion and you'd know these things :) |