| 00:00.05 | shadyghost | ok i will |
| 00:00.10 | shadyghost | thanks |
| 00:01.05 | sargun_screen | heya |
| 00:01.16 | mrpull | shadyghost: are you around SLC? |
| 00:22.29 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 00:24.58 | shadyghost | yeah, taylorsville |
| 00:37.47 | Tene | shadyghost: I'm originally from taylorsville, now from downtown SLC |
| 00:39.32 | dataw0lf | I leave for an hour and you guys resort to a/s/l chatting. |
| 00:40.40 | Tene | hay dataw0lf asl??? |
| 00:41.17 | dataw0lf | omg hay 15/h/south pole, u??? |
| 00:48.05 | levi | A 15-year old hermaphrodite from the south pole? |
| 00:53.15 | dataw0lf | levi: you hit it on the head |
| 00:53.40 | levi | I am so awesome! My deciphering skillz no know bound. :P |
| 00:53.52 | levi | Geez, I'm dyslexic, too, apparently. |
| 00:54.08 | levi | Too little sleep last night. |
| 01:34.55 | nick125 | RAID 5 vs. RAID 1, any opinions? |
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| 01:42.45 | Tene | go with 1 or 10 |
| 01:42.52 | Tene | Down with RAID 5! |
| 01:43.22 | nick125 | What about RAID 0+1? |
| 01:43.30 | nick125 | (RAID 0 on top of RAID 1, I believe) |
| 01:44.40 | Tene | I have no real objections |
| 01:46.43 | nick125 | So...here's what I've got so far for this server box, I'd appreciate if someone would look over it: |
| 01:48.03 | nick125 | 4x500GB Western Digital 7.2kRPM SATA HDs, SuperMicro MBD-C2SBE-O Intel P35 mobo, C2Q 2.4Ghz Q6600, Norco RPC-900 4U case, Athena Power 600W PSU, and 4GB Crucial DDR2-800 ECC RAM |
| 02:22.23 | rsimpkins | ~pong herlo |
| 02:22.24 | ibot | herlo: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:24.13 | Tene | nick125: upgrade to 72kRPM |
| 02:24.19 | Tene | or, even better, 720kRPM |
| 02:24.41 | nick125 | haha |
| 02:29.11 | nick125 | Anyone here know of a good high-end ($100-$150) Wireless AP? |
| 02:30.14 | nick125 | I really need something with good range through cinder block and concrete. |
| 02:33.07 | nick125 | I've been looking at this Netgear WG102, it has some good reviews and supports PoE. |
| 02:40.41 | herlo | rsimpkins: pm |
| 02:43.24 | nick125 | Anyone here familar with using OpenWRT in bridging? |
| 02:45.06 | elg | what about it? |
| 02:45.51 | nick125 | I'm wondering 1) is it possible to use OpenWRT for wireless bridging; 2) how hard is it? |
| 02:47.20 | elg | what exactly do you mean by wireless bridging? |
| 02:47.38 | nick125 | Basically, I want to have the WRT54GL connect to my wireless AP and bridge that network to the builtin switch ports |
| 02:47.44 | elg | do you want to bridge the wireless segment to the wired segment? |
| 02:48.02 | nick125 | yes |
| 02:48.04 | elg | no problem |
| 02:48.18 | elg | one of the easier advanced setups you can achieve with openwrt |
| 02:48.33 | nick125 | wireless bridges with only 1 ethernet ports run for $90, I can get a WRT54GL for $55 with 4 ports |
| 02:49.54 | nick125 | How long would it take per device? I have to set it up on about 5-6 devices |
| 02:50.20 | elg | if you take good notes? |
| 02:50.27 | nick125 | sure |
| 02:50.53 | elg | it'll take you a bit to get up to speed in openwrt, and assimilate the various interface names etc. |
| 02:51.10 | elg | but the actual commands to be issued (at the cli of course) - probably about 3 |
| 02:51.34 | elg | http://woz.gs/wifi/openwrtbridge.html |
| 02:51.35 | brac | [OpenWRT wifi bridge] |
| 02:51.42 | nick125 | elg: thank you |
| 02:52.09 | sontek | hey, anyone know lots about mkinitrd? i tried just cpio/gzip after I added the correct modules into the extracted initrd and it didn't like that |
| 02:52.23 | sontek | so it seems i'm going to have to build it properly |
| 02:52.50 | herlo | sontek: mkinitrd just creates an initrd from the loaded modules afaik |
| 02:53.02 | herlo | so just load the module, and then run |
| 02:53.22 | herlo | mkinitrd initrd-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) |
| 02:53.36 | Tene | sontek: mkinitrd --help |
| 02:53.43 | Tene | there's a --with or --preload oslt option |
| 02:55.13 | sontek | I need to make it from an existing initrd file (not my currently loaded setup) |
| 02:55.23 | sontek | I need to fix my xen initrd to include my scsi modules |
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| 03:19.31 | Tadaka | has anyone used heartbeat v2 to do service monitoring via the crm? |
| 03:27.07 | nick125 | wow, shipping of 42U racks is *expensive* |
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| 03:52.27 | Tene | Man, I need to learn svn now. :( |
| 03:53.41 | nick125 | Why not learn git or mercural? ;-) |
| 03:57.55 | goozbach | Tene: use bzr |
| 03:58.06 | goozbach | Tene: read the svn book |
| 03:58.13 | goozbach | at least the getting started part |
| 03:58.21 | Tene | Parrot uses svn. |
| 03:58.26 | goozbach | you'll be golden for your first few projects |
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| 04:24.15 | RazberrieTart | Hey folks. |
| 04:24.24 | Tene | Hey |
| 04:25.14 | Tene | It's a pretty nice community. |
| 04:25.34 | RazberrieTart | Always a good thing. |
| 04:25.56 | Tene | I still haven't bothered to join the sllug list, only plug |
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| 04:26.10 | Tene | hey wps |
| 04:26.25 | wps | hi |
| 04:26.46 | RazberrieTart | So where's the P in plug? |
| 04:26.51 | Tene | Provo |
| 04:26.55 | RazberrieTart | Ahh |
| 04:27.28 | Tene | Where in UT are you at? |
| 04:27.36 | levi | Heya. |
| 04:29.14 | levi | Are you a student at the U? |
| 04:29.35 | RazberrieTart | No, stay at home mom. |
| 04:29.56 | levi | Ah, cool. My wife does that, too. |
| 04:30.04 | RazberrieTart | Nice ! |
| 04:30.34 | levi | How old is/are the kid(s)? |
| 04:30.55 | wps | how did you discover PLUG (or at least PLUG's IRC channel? |
| 04:31.02 | RazberrieTart | the kidlet is nine. |
| 04:31.12 | RazberrieTart | wps: from the sllug mailing list, actually. |
| 04:31.13 | mrpull-lt | Welcome RazberrieTart |
| 04:31.21 | RazberrieTart | Thanks mrpull-lt :) |
| 04:32.00 | levi | Cool, my daugher is almost 2, and my son is almost 3 months. |
| 04:32.18 | RazberrieTart | Aw, a brand new one, and a fun age one :D |
| 04:32.30 | elg | i knew a razberrie or rasberry or something like that on a #mormon on some other network some time back. would that have been you? |
| 04:32.47 | RazberrieTart | Definitely not me. |
| 04:32.54 | elg | welcome anyway |
| 04:33.00 | RazberrieTart | Well, not on a #mormon channel. |
| 04:33.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Woah, there's people here. |
| 04:33.18 | RazberrieTart | Thanks elg :) |
| 04:33.22 | elg | must have been, oh, 11 years ago now |
| 04:33.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here know if there's a place I can go to get a copy of the full text of sicp in one place? |
| 04:33.37 | RazberrieTart | Oh, no, I've only been on irc for ... almost eight years. |
| 04:33.41 | mrpull-lt | a fulltime mom / linux enthusiast is a combo i've yet to come by |
| 04:33.46 | elg | i acted less like a curmudgeon then. :) |
| 04:33.53 | elg | more like a freshman |
| 04:33.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm on the MIT page now and they've got the full text online but you can't download it in one lump from them. |
| 04:34.00 | RazberrieTart | mrpull-lt: I'm an oddity ! |
| 04:34.06 | RazberrieTart | :D |
| 04:34.33 | elg | so did you get into linux first, or did you pick it up as a stay-sane hobby? |
| 04:34.48 | Lone_Wanderer | RazberrieTart: You much of a Tori Amos fan? |
| 04:34.51 | elg | (ha, so much for sanity) |
| 04:35.03 | RazberrieTart | heh. |
| 04:35.11 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Hrm. I think there is, but I'll have to figure out where I found it. |
| 04:35.34 | RazberrieTart | elg: My gf switched, and I originally just tagged along, but this past year I really became involved w/ the distro I run, sidux. |
| 04:35.57 | RazberrieTart | Lone_Wanderer: hmm, she's all right .... I haven't heard a lot of Tori's stuff, but the bit i have I liked. It's been a while though. |
| 04:36.15 | elg | hm, haven't heard of sidux |
| 04:36.23 | RazberrieTart | http://sidux.com |
| 04:36.35 | Lone_Wanderer | She's got a song called Raspberry Swirl that your nick reminds me of. |
| 04:37.06 | RazberrieTart | Hmm I seem to be jogging a few memories tonight :D |
| 04:37.18 | elg | so it's some kind of sid-tracking surfer distro? |
| 04:37.38 | elg | (try to ride the sid wave without wiping out) |
| 04:38.18 | RazberrieTart | Well it makes sid stable, and fairly manageable. |
| 04:38.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Say, is anyone here familiar with Rockbox? The iPod firmware replacement thing? |
| 04:38.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually, I could probably google this one. |
| 04:38.49 | RazberrieTart | I've heard of it, and know people who like it, Lone_Wanderer |
| 04:38.55 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: a few people here use it. |
| 04:38.59 | Tene | I know that fozzmoo does. |
| 04:39.20 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: I use it |
| 04:39.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Do any of y'all know offhand whether it has the option of leaving all my songs on the ipod? |
| 04:39.35 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: it left all of mine |
| 04:39.48 | Lone_Wanderer | The computer I got the songs off of is in Utah and I'm in Virginia. That's the only thing that's keeping me from installing it. |
| 04:39.50 | tensai | I don't have an ipod though. it's a sansa. |
| 04:39.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Yay! |
| 04:40.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh. |
| 04:40.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, we'll see I guess. |
| 04:40.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Docs should say. |
| 04:40.15 | levi | Here's texinfo source for SICP: http://www.neilvandyke.org/sicp-texi/ |
| 04:40.25 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: I would guess the process is similar, but can't say for sure |
| 04:40.33 | elg | so ubuntu is based on sid and releases every 6 mos. how is it different? |
| 04:40.35 | tensai | all the install files go in .rockbox and then it installs a new bootloader |
| 04:40.48 | RazberrieTart | Wait, what ? |
| 04:41.15 | Tene | http://kittydoom.livejournal.com/1032010.html |
| 04:41.28 | tensai | /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid on ubuntu gutsy |
| 04:41.46 | elg | yeah, ubuntu bases off of sid |
| 04:42.08 | elg | f course, they go through their own testing scheme and modify the packages to ubuntuize them, so supported packages aren't really sid |
| 04:42.10 | RazberrieTart | sidux is more cutting edge, a bit more advanced, and not as newbie friendly/newbie useable as ubuntu is. Plus, sidux is fully debian compatible, none of the weird packaging that ubuntu uses. |
| 04:42.16 | elg | but the universe repo is basically just a snapshot of sid |
| 04:42.46 | RazberrieTart | plus, ubuntu has ugly art ;D |
| 04:42.57 | levi | This place used to have a version of SICP, but it seems to have disappeared: http://twb.ath.cx/~twb/canon/sicp/ |
| 04:43.09 | levi | RazberrieTart: You don't like brown swirls? :) |
| 04:43.34 | RazberrieTart | levi: no :D |
| 04:43.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I like swirls of chocolate in my ice cream. |
| 04:43.37 | elg | I do like ubuntu's art and colorscheme |
| 04:43.48 | elg | but i appear to be in the minority :) |
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| 04:44.31 | levi | I kind of like it too, but I'm not particular. |
| 04:44.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. The rest of us are posessed of something called "taste". |
| 04:44.50 | elg | or lack thereof |
| 04:44.53 | RazberrieTart | I like color. |
| 04:45.01 | levi | Orange and brown are colors! |
| 04:45.20 | RazberrieTart | I like color that doesn't remind me of what my daughter spit up on my shoulder :D |
| 04:45.26 | Tene | Heh. |
| 04:45.37 | mrpull-lt | elg: what about the nekkid ubuntu art? surely that didn't click with you. |
| 04:45.44 | elg | poisoned by the flashy brainwashing playskool marketing overlords |
| 04:45.56 | elg | mrpull-lt: long gone |
| 04:46.26 | levi | I don't recall the nekkid art being particularly offensive. |
| 04:46.31 | elg | i used to be a blues kind of guy. white text on blue background was beauty |
| 04:46.50 | elg | then I went through a dark colors stage. grays and stuff |
| 04:46.59 | elg | now I like greens and browns most |
| 04:47.05 | elg | and I've always been partial to red-gold |
| 04:47.09 | elg | not that ubuntu has much of that |
| 04:47.15 | levi | You're just an earthy kind of guy. |
| 04:47.21 | Lone_Wanderer | So I'm in #lisp, and there's a guy in there who works in marketing. |
| 04:47.21 | elg | i think so |
| 04:47.24 | Lone_Wanderer | It's making things really weird. |
| 04:47.29 | elg | haha |
| 04:48.34 | Lone_Wanderer | cathbard.com has pretty wallpapers? |
| 04:48.44 | elg | yeah, ubuntu's colors I like but you have to get more interesting than the default backgrounds, of any distro |
| 04:48.47 | mrpull-lt | i didn't take offense |
| 04:49.00 | levi | I thought for a moment you were talking about real wallpaper. I hate the stuff, since I've had to tear a lot of it down. :) |
| 04:49.03 | elg | I get most of my backgrounds from aopa.org :) |
| 04:49.09 | RazberrieTart | http://cathbard.com/images/eat-ya-chilis.png <~~~ That's my current one, on desktop 1 :D |
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| 04:49.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohh. It's got attitude! |
| 04:50.01 | levi | I have a bunch of pictures I took in the Moab area that I rotate through on my laptop. |
| 04:50.04 | RazberrieTart | Yeah :D |
| 04:53.11 | elg | http://www.aopa.org/online_gallery/ to be precise |
| 04:54.43 | RazberrieTart | Oh, interesting ! I have a friend who would love those ! |
| 04:55.40 | elg | i wish they were a little higher resolution though |
| 04:55.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, man. Living in the barracks is a pain but I'm really going to miss the sheer volume of "What the HELL??" moments you get here. |
| 04:55.49 | elg | but my desktop is usually covered anyway |
| 04:57.42 | RazberrieTart | Oh ? |
| 04:58.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Come on, that's the most obvious invitation to ask for more details that I've ever seen. |
| 04:59.19 | RazberrieTart | Oh, guess I wasn't obvious enough, sorry :D |
| 04:59.30 | RazberrieTart | Do tell, I love stories of What the HELL moments, Lone_Wanderer |
| 05:00.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, just now I can hear... you know the thing they use to take off the lug nuts at a garage? The little pneumatic wrench that makes a very distinctive noise? |
| 05:00.39 | RazberrieTart | Yeah. |
| 05:00.48 | levi | Pneumatic impact wrench. |
| 05:00.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. Someone's apparently got one of those in their room. |
| 05:00.56 | levi | I've got one. I love it. :) |
| 05:01.10 | Lone_Wanderer | So it's going Bzzzzt! Bzzzzt! punctuated with maniacal laughter. |
| 05:01.32 | RazberrieTart | Dear Lord, what are they wrenching ? :D |
| 05:01.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I have no idea :D |
| 05:01.44 | levi | I wonder if they've got an electric impact wrench or something. Otherwise you'd probably hear the air compressor, too. |
| 05:02.01 | Lone_Wanderer | The other day I was walking to the bathroom and I heard some yelling followed by what sounded like a body slamming into a wall |
| 05:02.05 | RazberrieTart | There could be so many ways that could be hilarious. |
| 05:02.15 | RazberrieTart | o.O |
| 05:02.36 | Lone_Wanderer | They could be running the cable in through a window. I think I've had noticed if they brought up a compressor. |
| 05:02.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Not cable, but you know what I mean. |
| 05:03.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, with the yelling and fighting noises- someone came out of the room and said "They play a really mean game of dominoes." |
| 05:03.12 | levi | They call those 'air cables' hoses. :) |
| 05:03.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, the hose. Thank you. |
| 05:03.23 | RazberrieTart | rofl |
| 05:03.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway. You know all those "crazy college" movies you see, where lots of improbable things are always going on? Pranks, etc.? |
| 05:04.40 | Lone_Wanderer | You know the type. Real Genius comes to mind. |
| 05:04.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Living here has the same kind of feeling. |
| 05:05.03 | RazberrieTart | Sort of, yeah... Even if I've never seen Real Genius. |
| 05:05.07 | RazberrieTart | Oh my. |
| 05:05.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Ft. Eustis is kind of a backwater of the military. |
| 05:06.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Most of the people here are avoiding Iraq. |
| 05:06.31 | Lone_Wanderer | The permanent staff I mean. |
| 05:06.42 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: You're not going to turn into mheath on us, are you? |
| 05:06.42 | Lone_Wanderer | So they're not exactly the best and the brightest the military has to offer. |
| 05:06.46 | RazberrieTart | Ahhh |
| 05:06.47 | Lone_Wanderer | God no. |
| 05:07.12 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: If you were, you'd have to fight sargun for the 'honor'. |
| 05:07.25 | Lone_Wanderer | But those are just the permanent people - the staff. Kind of like the... what's the word. The janitors and secretaries at a college. |
| 05:07.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Everyone I live with is a student, and is only here temporarily. |
| 05:08.11 | Lone_Wanderer | But most of the people here are in a weird kind of limbo status - waiting for classes to start, but without knowing when they're going to get into a class. Some of the people here have been waiting for a year or more. |
| 05:08.49 | Lone_Wanderer | So we have a LOT of free time on our hands. And, because this is an aviation school, most of the people here are of middle to above average in intelligence. |
| 05:09.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Throw in the fact that the UCMJ means you can do just about anything short of a felony without getting into serious trouble, and (additionally) that the people who are supposed to keep us in line are the avoiding-Iraq folks... |
| 05:09.51 | Lone_Wanderer | And the inmates are running the asylum. |
| 05:09.58 | Lone_Wanderer | What's Sargun up to? |
| 05:09.59 | maquis | levi: i haven't seen sargun causing any problems at all. he seems *exremely* well behaved, from what i've seen |
| 05:10.22 | levi | maquis: He's just being a know-it-all. |
| 05:10.36 | RazberrieTart | Oh my :D |
| 05:10.48 | levi | maquis: He was telling me earlier today how my company ought to be making technology decisions. |
| 05:11.04 | maquis | levi: and nobody else is ever a know-it-all on here? |
| 05:11.21 | maquis | i think everyone has their days for being a know-it-all around here :) |
| 05:11.22 | levi | maquis: They usually have some semblance of a clue, though. |
| 05:11.44 | maquis | levi: *shrug* |
| 05:11.46 | levi | maquis: I mean, he was talking about 1km long audio cables and stuff. |
| 05:11.57 | maquis | levi: i've said plenty of stupid things in my life |
| 05:12.06 | maquis | and often while thinking i was certainly write |
| 05:12.07 | maquis | er |
| 05:12.07 | maquis | right |
| 05:12.13 | maquis | speaking of stupid things... |
| 05:12.16 | levi | maquis: You didn't have his attitude problem, though. |
| 05:12.32 | maquis | levi: you should ask some people who know me about whether i've got attitude |
| 05:12.46 | levi | Well, *I* haven't seen it, anyway. |
| 05:13.02 | levi | At least not that kind of attitude. :) |
| 05:14.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought that mheath mostly just whined about the military kicking him out? |
| 05:14.48 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: Before that, he would present his wild ideas about the stuff he was going to build, and he would argue to the death if you pointed out any flaws. |
| 05:15.13 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 05:15.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I'm not going to start that kind of crap. |
| 05:15.52 | Lone_Wanderer | The only thing I'm planning on making is a fully functional, self-aware, automatically evolving artificial intelligence that I'm going to connect to my own mind via USB. |
| 05:16.13 | RazberrieTart | where ^ |
| 05:16.13 | levi | But also, he just talked non-stop about the military, so other people doing it kind of throws up warning signals. ;) |
| 05:16.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh and when I finish my military career I'm going to make a hundred billion dollars every second just for existing. Because that's what happens when you do what I'm going to do in the military. |
| 05:17.17 | Lone_Wanderer | RazberrieTart: Just distal to my left armpit, obviously. |
| 05:17.34 | levi | I hope mheath turns out all right. He's a decent, bright kid aside from his annoying online behaviors. |
| 05:17.51 | Lone_Wanderer | He seemed to have some strange mental blocks. |
| 05:17.57 | RazberrieTart | Now, I'd go for the behind the ear trick, easier to conceal, but armpit area works, too. |
| 05:18.13 | Lone_Wanderer | There are some people who will ask for advice and then tell you why the things you're suggesting just won't work. He was one of them. |
| 05:18.18 | levi | Maybe behind the ear is easy to conceal if you've got long hair. |
| 05:18.40 | Lone_Wanderer | RT: Behind the ear is one of my favorite places for a girl to stroke, I wouldn't want to stick something metal there. |
| 05:18.50 | RazberrieTart | Ah. |
| 05:19.03 | RazberrieTart | Makes sense. |
| 05:19.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Computers in the brain are cool, but I don't want to mess with cuddle time. |
| 05:19.19 | RazberrieTart | hehe |
| 05:20.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, Lisp in a Box is seriously sexy. |
| 05:21.37 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, levi, being in the military does a weird thing to your head |
| 05:21.52 | Lone_Wanderer | where the military is the only thing you ever think about and want to talk about |
| 05:21.55 | Lone_Wanderer | kind of like being on a mission |
| 05:35.58 | levi | Man, it's hard to get myself to get going again on my compiler project. |
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| 06:22.10 | lakshmi | hi |
| 06:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | hi |
| 06:32.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Good night. |
| 06:34.07 | Supaplex | I hope it's good or I'm demanding a refund. |
| 06:34.12 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:34.49 | findlay | hello |
| 06:35.09 | findlay | in the orchestra, obviously |
| 06:35.21 | findlay | dancing is for special kinds of people |
| 06:36.30 | RazberrieTart | Neat. |
| 06:40.21 | lakshmi | findlay reallly ?! |
| 08:11.16 | RazberrieTart | 'skitters off' |
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| 13:56.34 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | This space for extortion. | Lunar eclipse tonight start 1845, peak 2030, done 2210. All times Las Cruzan |
| 14:09.42 | Supaplex | mornin' |
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| 14:23.17 | ibot | gnaws on ^Migs^'s ears mmmm carrots, my flavorate NOM NOM NOM |
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| 14:38.10 | atoponce | brb |
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| 15:46.45 | goozbach | Jayce^: http://www.pvponline.com/2008/02/19/make-war-not-love/ |
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| 15:58.07 | Supaplex | fungus: greetings :) |
| 15:58.30 | fungus | ____ morning. |
| 15:59.14 | Supaplex | tooearlyinthe? :) |
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| 15:59.48 | fungus | Too early to bring myself to say the usual four letter word people pair with morning.\ |
| 16:00.03 | ^Migs^ | http://msdn.microsoft.com/events/hero/ |
| 16:03.45 | Supaplex | those'll be fun to run over with my car |
| 16:11.23 | fozzmoo | My boss is one of those people who gets up at 5. |
| 16:11.41 | fozzmoo | I swear, he spends the first 3 hours of his day itching to torment someone. |
| 16:21.53 | goozbach | hah ha! fozz how's it feel to have a boss again? |
| 16:25.24 | levi | My boss must get up around 5, too. I guess that's how you get to be a boss, eh? :P |
| 16:27.54 | Tene | If I had to get up at five, I'd also spend at least three horus itchign to torment someone. |
| 16:29.15 | sontek | I don't go to bed unti 4... 1 hour of sleep isn't enough! |
| 16:30.34 | levi | Presumably, you'd go to bed earlier if you were going to get up at 5. |
| 16:32.21 | sontek | Thats just silly! How could I get anything done if I went to bed earlier? |
| 16:33.05 | goozbach | sontek: go to work at 5am :) |
| 16:34.29 | levi | If you go to bed at 4, when do you wake up? |
| 16:35.38 | sontek | goozbach: you think you have all the answers don't you! |
| 16:35.54 | sontek | levi: usually 7, but sometimes I sleep in until 8 |
| 16:36.24 | levi | I couldn't function on 3-4 hours of sleep for more than one day. |
| 16:36.29 | levi | Maybe two. |
| 16:36.54 | goozbach | woot! my app server is handling 100 requests concurrently |
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| 16:37.26 | goozbach | the old version started crawling at around 50-60 |
| 16:38.12 | levi | Hmm, anyone know of someone looking for a low-level Linux programmer? Like systems stuff and device drivers. |
| 16:38.34 | ^Migs^ | this obnoxious Indian guy from BEA keeps sending me emails not asking me if I've been satisfied with their customer support, but TELLING me I've been satisfied with their customer support. |
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| 16:38.45 | levi | (a friend of mine from LNXI would prefer to stay in Utah than go off to Wisconsin for SGI) |
| 16:39.36 | ^Migs^ | Salt Lake City is the best place in the U.S. for jobs right now |
| 16:39.39 | ^Migs^ | why would he leave? |
| 16:39.47 | levi | Because he has a job offer. |
| 16:39.59 | ^Migs^ | so? |
| 16:40.13 | ^Migs^ | you don't have to jump on every job offer |
| 16:40.13 | levi | Well, I said he doesn't want to. |
| 16:40.25 | levi | Are you blind? |
| 16:40.37 | ^Migs^ | sort of, yeah. I'm only wearing one contact. |
| 16:40.43 | ^Migs^ | my depth perception is all skeewompus |
| 16:41.24 | levi | Maybe you're just short on reading comprehension this morning. |
| 16:41.43 | ^Migs^ | I've never claimed to be a good reader |
| 16:42.30 | Tene | levi: "this morning"? |
| 16:42.33 | Tene | He's always like this. |
| 16:42.47 | levi | I suppose you're right. I usually just tune him out. |
| 16:42.48 | ^Migs^ | yeah, why are you suddenly surprised by all this? |
| 16:43.27 | ^Migs^ | how soon would he start in Wisconsin? |
| 16:43.36 | levi | I don't know. |
| 16:43.40 | ^Migs^ | didn't SGI keep any operations in Utah? |
| 16:43.42 | levi | After he graduates, I think. |
| 16:44.05 | levi | I think they may have, but not his position. |
| 16:44.09 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 16:46.31 | levi | rsimpkins: ping |
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| 16:56.45 | levi | Oh geez. This hits a little close to home: http://xkcd.com/386/ :) |
| 16:56.47 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
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| 17:07.47 | maquis | levi: i thought that about the previous one |
| 17:07.51 | maquis | ... |
| 17:08.06 | levi | Yeah, I imagine so. |
| 17:39.11 | ^Migs^ | http://www.bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10405 |
| 17:39.13 | brac | [Bogley Outdoor Community] |
| 18:08.07 | unum | levi: I was about to type the same thing |
| 18:08.14 | unum | abeut xkcd |
| 18:08.31 | unum | darn ring finger. stay over the right key !!! |
| 18:09.13 | lakshmi | hey hey |
| 18:09.33 | elg | my wife didn't get it. I guess she doesn't realize how vital I am to the veracity of the internet |
| 18:13.07 | unum | tsk tsk |
| 18:14.31 | mrpull | http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8314377?source=most_emailed |
| 18:16.30 | mrpull | at risk of starting silly political banter, I like that a respected university is offering a good education at a price that anyone can afford on their own... rather than having the government require every school to do so |
| 18:18.31 | Jayce^ | amazing, I'd have been well under their limits :) and they actually ask the recipients to get a part time job too! |
| 18:19.17 | Jayce^ | wonder where the money will come from though |
| 18:19.21 | mrpull | I like that part too. Of course $100K / $60K are different benchmarks in San Jose than they are in Utah County, but it is cool. |
| 18:19.29 | mrpull | people pay as much as they can |
| 18:19.36 | Jayce^ | well, I wasn't in UT back then :) |
| 18:19.37 | mrpull | and work as much as they can |
| 18:20.08 | levi | Jayce^: From the zillions of dollars they've got. |
| 18:20.28 | mrpull | I don't know how much private universities get from CA... I assume they get money from research and alumni |
| 18:20.51 | Jayce^ | mrpull, right, and I know they have some, but just like a trust, gotta manage that |
| 18:21.08 | levi | I'm sure they've got it figured out so it makes financial sense. |
| 18:21.28 | levi | I agree it's cool, though. |
| 18:21.39 | mrpull | yeah... I suspect they don't just go willy nilly and propose something they can't sustain. |
| 18:21.44 | levi | They already offer a bunch of video and audio lectures for free, too, IIRC. |
| 18:21.45 | Jayce^ | of course |
| 18:22.13 | mrpull | is BYU next? |
| 18:22.17 | tensai | ~lart microsoft excel |
| 18:22.17 | ibot | DoSes microsoft excel |
| 18:22.35 | Jayce^ | byu already funds most of it |
| 18:22.43 | levi | The trick is getting into Stanford in the first place. |
| 18:22.44 | tensai | something like 70% iirc |
| 18:25.20 | dmdavis | levi: and that will probably be much trickier now |
| 18:25.54 | tensai | I hear tuition at the School of Hard Knocks is still rather affordable |
| 18:26.13 | RyanE | well, other than the 'Hard Knocks', that is. |
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| 18:31.56 | sontek | Mr.Pibb vs Dr.Pepper, discuss. |
| 18:33.11 | mrpull | sontek: none of the above. Pepsi. Only. |
| 18:33.42 | sontek | ~eww mrpull |
| 18:33.52 | sontek | aww, someone needs to add eww to ibot ! |
| 18:35.20 | tensai | ~eww $sontek is <action> barfs on $sontek |
| 18:35.21 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 18:36.47 | sontek | ~eww mrpull |
| 18:36.48 | ibot | ACTION barfs on mrpull |
| 18:36.59 | sontek | tensai: thanks! =) |
| 18:40.24 | atoponce | sontek: i don't know about Dr. Pepper (or Dr.Pepper for that matter), but Dr Pepper is the Nectar of the Gods |
| 18:48.45 | tensai | Dr Pepper takes like water buffalo sweat |
| 18:49.19 | atoponce | *good* water buffalo sweat. not that imitation stuff |
| 18:49.23 | mrpull | no period? |
| 18:49.49 | RyanE | tensai: yes, it's that good. mr. Pibb tastes like bad non-water buffalo sweat. |
| 18:50.12 | atoponce | mrpull: no period |
| 18:50.17 | atoponce | period |
| 18:50.36 | mrpull | funny. |
| 18:50.42 | tensai | didn't know that water buffalo sweat was that popular |
| 18:50.56 | tensai | I prefer a good grizzly bear sweat myself |
| 18:51.07 | atoponce | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Pepper#Name_formatting |
| 18:52.28 | mrpull | what did we do before wikipedia? |
| 18:53.54 | atoponce | we had new world encyclopedia |
| 18:54.17 | sontek | Encyclopedia Britannica! or whatever that thing was called |
| 18:54.36 | sontek | prehistoric wikipedia |
| 18:54.41 | atoponce | aka: tv |
| 18:54.52 | atoponce | joepardy! |
| 18:54.58 | atoponce | s/oe/eo/ |
| 18:57.55 | maquis | ouch |
| 18:58.01 | RyanE | but joepardy might be an entertaining show in and of itself. |
| 18:58.06 | maquis | grapefruit splashing into eyes hurts |
| 19:00.38 | elg | don't do it |
| 19:01.03 | atoponce | rubbing your eyes, after you've gutted a pepper with your hands hurts too |
| 19:01.14 | sontek | maquis: did you ever see the video "A ninja pays half my rent" ? |
| 19:01.47 | mrpull | just saw this on boing boing... what a cool toy! http://www.acc.umu.se/~emilk/ |
| 19:01.53 | brac | [Phun - 2D physics sandbox] |
| 19:01.53 | mrpull | look at the youtube link |
| 19:04.34 | tensai | maquis: capsaicin in the eyes also hurts |
| 19:04.43 | sargun_screen | tensai: Yeah, it does. |
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| 19:10.07 | trip0 | nyone know the command to get disk free space |
| 19:10.11 | jsmith | tensai: Does it hurt more or less than grape julius up your nose? |
| 19:10.21 | jsmith | trip0: df -h |
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| 19:10.28 | maquis | jsmith: no idea |
| 19:10.33 | maquis | and i'd prefer not to know |
| 19:10.50 | trip0 | thanks jsmith |
| 19:10.59 | jsmith | All I know is that my sinuses have never been the same since |
| 19:11.39 | maquis | sontek: no, i havent |
| 19:12.35 | atoponce | jsmith: does everything in life smell citrus-y now? |
| 19:12.36 | tensai | mrpull: phun rocks. we had a really simple program like that when I took HS physics. we loved it. |
| 19:12.46 | maquis | tensai: in my experience, capsaicin doesn't jump quite as well as grapefruit juice |
| 19:12.50 | sontek | maquis: you should check it out on youtube really quick, it has a grapefruit part |
| 19:12.54 | tensai | I'll have to send that to my old physics teacher |
| 19:12.54 | jsmith | atoponce: To be honest, I have almost no sense of smell left. |
| 19:13.04 | mrpull | recently I looked for a copy of "the incredible machine". I loved that game. |
| 19:18.52 | fozzmoo | Oh dear |
| 19:18.56 | fozzmoo | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 19:18.58 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 19:21.23 | atoponce | /lastlog xkcd |
| 19:21.34 | atoponce | :) |
| 19:23.10 | fozzmoo | atoponce: Strikes a raw nerve, doesn't it? :) |
| 19:23.34 | tensai | reminds me of a certain ron paul debate |
| 19:24.07 | fozzmoo | s/a certain/just about any/ |
| 19:39.01 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:39.57 | atoponce | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-02-19-n35.html |
| 19:39.58 | brac | [Lost and Found via Google] |
| 20:06.13 | rsimpkins | ~pong levi |
| 20:06.13 | ibot | levi: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:16.34 | wps | I used to have it written in my notes but cannot see it now |
| 20:16.58 | wps | anyone know what I need to add to my .bash_profile to set the tab width for vi? |
| 20:17.05 | elg | -chat |
| 20:17.06 | brac | it should be kinda late |
| 20:17.14 | elg | wps: that goes in your .vimrc |
| 20:17.20 | wps | ah |
| 20:17.33 | wps | there it is! |
| 20:17.36 | wps | thanks |
| 20:17.36 | elg | and you really don't want to change your tabstop |
| 20:17.40 | elg | i promise |
| 20:17.46 | wps | why? |
| 20:18.03 | elg | *cue xkcd* |
| 20:18.09 | elg | I have to go to class, or I'd fix you. ;-) |
| 20:18.16 | wps | huh? |
| 20:18.19 | elg | ask sjansen. he's good and passionate about it |
| 20:18.23 | elg | good proxy for me |
| 20:18.34 | wps | if it's because you're an advocate of spaces, no way |
| 20:18.47 | elg | i'm an advocate of never changing the tabstops |
| 20:18.54 | elg | if that means you use 8-width tabs, fine. |
| 20:18.57 | elg | if it means you use spaces, fine |
| 20:18.58 | wps | yuck |
| 20:19.06 | wps | why? |
| 20:19.06 | elg | if it means you use mixed spaces and tabs, you're sick |
| 20:19.16 | elg | because lots of things depend on the 8-space tabs |
| 20:19.17 | wps | what's wrong someone's editor customizing the tab width? |
| 20:19.20 | elg | I print code frequently |
| 20:19.28 | elg | because they then depend on that |
| 20:19.34 | elg | if it was just initial indentation, no big deal |
| 20:19.41 | elg | but the line up stuff |
| 20:19.42 | elg | comments |
| 20:19.52 | elg | long code lines |
| 20:20.02 | wps | yeah, but as long as you use tabs, the width of them is entirely dependent on your editor… giving everyone what they want… you your eight and me my three |
| 20:20.05 | wps | how is that bad? |
| 20:20.06 | Tene | I have tabstop and shiftwidth both set to 4, and have expandtab on. |
| 20:20.11 | elg | or they fit everything nicely in 80 chars, until tabs become 8 charaters instead of 4 |
| 20:20.59 | jsmith | Anybody wanna help me with a stupid DNS problem? |
| 20:20.59 | elg | wps: until you have alignment problems |
| 20:20.59 | RyanE | because 8 spaces fits the standard width of the rear end of Roman horses. |
| 20:20.59 | wps | eh… works for me |
| 20:21.19 | elg | probably because you're a lone wolf |
| 20:21.31 | elg | I've seen it get real ugly real quick in multi-developer code |
| 20:21.36 | wps | 8 spaces is rediculous |
| 20:21.39 | elg | yes |
| 20:21.45 | wps | you tab three times and you've used up all 80 chars |
| 20:21.50 | elg | that's why I use expandtab and 4 spaces smarttab/shiftwidth |
| 20:22.08 | RyanE | technically, you have to tab 10 times to use up all 80 characters... :) |
| 20:22.19 | wps | 'twas exagerat'n |
| 20:22.26 | elg | but I have been known to use tabstop=4 in code where the coding style dictates only tabs |
| 20:22.47 | mrpull | preferences are preferences... conventions are conventions... use them where they make sense |
| 20:22.49 | wps | every coding style should dictate only tabs |
| 20:23.03 | mrpull | let's hear jsmith's stupid DNS question |
| 20:23.13 | RyanE | wps: don't go there. That's as good of a start for an argument here as vi vs. emac. |
| 20:23.18 | RyanE | s/emac/emacs |
| 20:23.24 | Tene | Just set tabstop=1 to make them identical. |
| 20:23.28 | Tene | Then there's no difference. |
| 20:23.38 | jsmith | mrpull: I may have figured it out |
| 20:24.02 | RyanE | or just pry the tab key off your keyboard. Problem solved. |
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| 20:24.18 | herlo | jsmith: sorry, I was slow |
| 20:24.46 | Tene | RyanE: then how do I press escape? |
| 20:25.01 | wps | us… with the esc key? |
| 20:25.16 | wps | s/us/uh/ |
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| 20:26.07 | wps | I'm testing my vi skills today |
| 20:26.28 | wps | I can't get my editor to connect over VPN today for some reason |
| 20:26.36 | wps | VPN blows |
| 20:40.40 | trip0 | question: Altima SE vs Impala SS? |
| 20:41.52 | mrpull | Altima |
| 20:42.04 | mrpull | but I did drive an Impala SS in San Jose a couple weeks back |
| 20:42.10 | mrpull | it was kinda fun to drive |
| 20:42.17 | mrpull | I beat the crap out of that car |
| 20:42.40 | mrpull | you can't rent a car without seeing how long you can smoke the tires or how far you can jump it |
| 20:43.29 | herlo | mrpull: nice |
| 20:43.48 | mrpull | herlo: don't you do the same? |
| 20:47.46 | herlo | mrpull: not usually |
| 20:48.04 | herlo | mrpull: though I do like to gun it when the car has the power to do so |
| 20:48.24 | herlo | like this week, I have a rav4, which surprisingly has a powerful v6 |
| 20:48.48 | herlo | getting on the freeway, I can pass several cars like they are standing still, but its a little loose on the steering when I do so |
| 20:48.55 | mrpull | but how is the suspension. jump that sucker off an overpass. |
| 20:49.39 | trip0 | impala SS is going to be much faster, why would you still go with the altima? |
| 20:50.00 | mrpull | GM's are rattle traps after the first few jumps |
| 20:50.17 | trip0 | rattle traps? |
| 20:50.40 | mrpull | get all noisy and rattly and feel like they are going to fall apart |
| 20:50.50 | mrpull | I'm a honda guy myself... |
| 20:50.50 | trip0 | :/ |
| 20:51.00 | trip0 | Accord or Altima? |
| 20:51.02 | mrpull | so picking between the nissan and the chevy, I'd go nissan |
| 20:51.11 | mrpull | for me, Accord |
| 20:51.19 | mrpull | the altima is a nice car though |
| 20:51.27 | mrpull | and may even be a better looking car than the accord |
| 20:51.34 | trip0 | IMHO Accord is better engineered, but the altima looks better... :p |
| 20:51.44 | mrpull | agreed |
| 20:54.20 | trip0 | when you say "jumps" you mean literal jumps? (flying tthrough the air kind of jumps?) |
| 20:54.56 | mrpull | maybe when I was a kid... I exaggerate now for effect :) |
| 20:55.17 | mrpull | the thought of jumping a rental off a parking structure amuses me |
| 20:55.34 | trip0 | lol. Borne Ultimatum |
| 20:56.04 | herlo | mrpull: no overpasses for me |
| 20:56.41 | tensai | only problem it ever had was when I ran over a tire at 75mph |
| 20:56.52 | herlo | oops |
| 20:57.13 | mrpull | tensai: you are better off dodging the tire and smashing into the car(s) next to you. it is a lot more fun. |
| 20:57.14 | tensai | it was dark and a semi had a blow out about a mile ahead of us |
| 20:57.38 | tensai | mrpull: maybe I'll try that next time. or maybe not. |
| 20:57.51 | mrpull | tensai: LOL |
| 20:58.03 | tensai | luckily there was nobody else on the road at the time |
| 20:59.17 | fozzmoo | Stupid cops. Lookin at cracked windshields. Gawl. |
| 20:59.49 | mrpull | "when you hear the crash... think of Jone's Paint and Glass" |
| 21:00.37 | mrpull | that advertisement on KSL after Cougar games is one of my earliest recollections |
| 21:01.25 | trip0 | driving from clearfield to draper everyday has killed my old car |
| 21:01.26 | rsimpkins | mrpull: I used to work in radio. I played that add until the tape broke. |
| 21:01.46 | findlay | levi: what's that symbolic math program in lisp called? |
| 21:03.27 | mrpull | rsimpkins: really? what station? I did high school radio and had some friends that worked at KJQ & X96 years ago. |
| 21:04.22 | dataw0lf | findlay: Macsyma? |
| 21:08.21 | findlay | dataw0lf: I only get a package for http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:08.31 | brac | [Maxima - A GPL CAS based on DOE-MACSYMA] |
| 21:08.51 | findlay | I think that might be it |
| 21:11.30 | findlay | jsmith: need something to do? |
| 21:11.39 | findlay | since you're not busy? |
| 21:11.42 | jsmith | findlay: No |
| 21:12.32 | findlay | well if you ever need something, you can always ask me |
| 21:12.54 | findlay | like the Riemann conjecture |
| 21:15.02 | findlay | ~macsyma |
| 21:15.17 | findlay | ibot: macsyma is see http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:15.18 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 21:15.23 | brac | [Maxima - A GPL CAS based on DOE-MACSYMA] |
| 21:27.21 | Jayce^ | wow, anybody want to go after the idiot mailing spam to plug? |
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| 21:28.56 | trip0 | why is the maxima a "higher" model when the altima SE is faster? |
| 21:29.00 | brasto | herlo or anyone, i need to review a bit on chmod and file permissions. First question: if i see this on a file: drwxrws--- what does the 's' mean? |
| 21:29.16 | trip0 | 'special' |
| 21:29.21 | goozbach | brasto: set gid |
| 21:29.30 | goozbach | sgid also |
| 21:32.32 | brasto | thank you triip0 and goozbach. I found this in the man page: set user or group ID on execution (s) |
| 21:32.38 | brasto | but i'm not sure what that means. |
| 21:33.07 | atoponce | cool tip of the day: alt-z allows you to type your text backwards in most irc clients |
| 21:33.16 | atoponce | .ereh ti did I ?eeS |
| 21:36.02 | tensai | brasto: let's say a file is owned by Alice:Alice. Bob comes along and runs that file. Normally it will execute as user Bob:Bob. |
| 21:36.03 | brasto | so, does the 's' also work like a sticky bit? the permissions were on a directory, not a file, so i don't see how 'set user or group ID on execution' applies to a directory. |
| 21:36.24 | tensai | brasto: but if it is setgid, it will run as Bob:Alice. if it is setuid, it will run as Alice:Alice. |
| 21:36.41 | tensai | brasto: when applied to a directory, it behaves differently |
| 21:36.54 | brasto | ok, got it so far tensai |
| 21:37.11 | tensai | brasto: any new files created in that directory will be owned by the setgid group rather than the user's primary group |
| 21:37.28 | tensai | brasto: back to our example, a new file in that directory would be owned by Bob:Alice rather than Bob:Bob |
| 21:38.59 | brasto | ok |
| 21:39.20 | brasto | because the 's' is set on the group. |
| 21:39.26 | tensai | correct |
| 21:40.36 | brasto | if it were a directory with drwsrwx--- would mean if bob created a file, it would still be assigned alice:alice? |
| 21:40.54 | brasto | or alice:[alice' default group]? |
| 21:41.03 | tensai | you might think so, but that's a horribly dangerous thing to do so it doesn't |
| 21:41.59 | atoponce | levi: for you: http://qdb.us/117518 |
| 21:42.02 | brac | [QDB: Quote #117518] |
| 21:42.23 | goozbach | this is false |
| 21:42.30 | goozbach | hello |
| 21:42.35 | goozbach | backwords, no |
| 21:44.34 | brasto | tensai, so drwsrws--- would behave the same as drwsrwx---? |
| 21:45.33 | brasto | and what makes it dangerous as long as it doesn't go to root:wheel or something like that? |
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| 21:49.14 | tensai | brasto: the danger exists entirely based on who the setuid owner is and what that account can do. that's not something the system can know, so it just forbids it entirely. |
| 21:49.18 | tensai | or so it would seem |
| 21:52.26 | tensai | http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2004/perms.html |
| 21:58.04 | brasto | thanks for the link, that looks good |
| 21:58.15 | brasto | that and i just found that info chmod has more than man chmod |
| 21:58.27 | atoponce | stupid info pages |
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| 22:07.13 | tensai | atoponce: no kidding |
| 22:07.42 | atoponce | :) |
| 22:07.43 | tensai | I refuse to read info pages on principle. I hope GNU can feel my spite. |
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| 22:35.39 | Aliosa27 | anyone in here using busybox 1.9.1 |
| 22:42.17 | sontek | 1.6.1 here |
| 22:43.26 | tensai | Aliosa27: use as in "have a device with busybox", or use as in "developing an environment using busybox"? |
| 22:44.19 | Aliosa27 | ither or...as i am developing for a device running 1.9.1 |
| 22:45.18 | tensai | looks like mine is 1.4.2 |
| 22:45.20 | Aliosa27 | im just wondering if the opt router setting in udhcpd.conf is actually working as of 1.9.1 or if it is broken, like it seems to be |
| 22:46.45 | Aliosa27 | meh i will throw it in qemu |
| 22:55.40 | levi | Sorry, not using udhcpd in my busybox setup. |
| 23:01.41 | atoponce | http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/238326029/ |
| 23:01.58 | atoponce | priceless |
| 23:04.49 | Supaplex | is there anything like RFC 1918 for phone numbers? (for use on a pbx). eg, a reserved never to be used publicly area code. |
| 23:06.45 | tensai | Supaplex: 555-0100 through 0199 are reserved for fictional usage |
| 23:07.29 | jsmith | Supaplex: Yeah... check out nanpa.com |
| 23:07.55 | Supaplex | just 99 numbers? egads. hah. |
| 23:08.38 | tensai | Supaplex: why do you need a 7 digit number internally? you can use any shorter number which would thus be non-routeable on the pstn. |
| 23:08.53 | tensai | it's 100 numbers, btw. not 99. |
| 23:09.24 | Supaplex | right :) |
| 23:09.30 | tensai | jsmith: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanpa |
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| 23:17.02 | thaddeusq | tensai: is that really what you meant to link to? |
| 23:17.23 | tensai | thaddeusq: yup. being a japanese speaker that's what I always think of when somebody references NANPA |
| 23:17.32 | thaddeusq | ahhh. |
| 23:17.36 | thaddeusq | Makes sense now. |
| 23:17.46 | tensai | I always giggle a little on the inside |
| 23:18.28 | tensai | that or Nampa, Idaho. (nanpa and nampa are essentially the same in japanese) |
| 23:19.26 | mrpull | with the haze and weather, what is the chance we'll see the eclipse tonight? |
| 23:22.05 | thaddeusq | mrpull: 50-50 |
| 23:23.27 | Supaplex | 555-01xx makes more sence in documentation anyway. I guess I'll set up the extensions in a similar fashion. |
| 23:24.04 | Supaplex | s/sence/sense/ |
| 23:27.06 | fozzmoo | Anyone know where I can buy a managed switch locally? |
| 23:28.43 | sontek | fozzmoo: I'll give ya one |
| 23:28.52 | fozzmoo | Yeah? |
| 23:29.08 | sontek | fozzmoo: I've got one sitting in my closet |
| 23:29.14 | fozzmoo | A managed switch? |
| 23:29.16 | fozzmoo | 10/100? |
| 23:29.20 | fozzmoo | How many ports? |
| 23:29.27 | sontek | fozzmoo: yeah, its 16 or 24, don't remember |
| 23:29.38 | fozzmoo | Oh man. |
| 23:29.42 | sontek | fozzmoo: I got it awhile back and never used it |
| 23:29.45 | fozzmoo | I'll pay you for it./ |
| 23:29.57 | fozzmoo | Or, rather, my boss will. |
| 23:30.21 | sontek | I'll bring it in to work tomorrow if you want me to swing by kb so you can check it out |
| 23:30.25 | fozzmoo | takin it offline. |
| 23:30.32 | sontek | k |
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| 23:39.46 | fozzmoo | #utah comes through again! |
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| 23:42.54 | Supaplex | :} |
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| 23:55.36 | RyanE | does anyone know how to set irssi to ignore bitlbee's mode +v mode -v messages? |
| 23:56.11 | atoponce | /help ignore |
| 23:56.33 | RyanE | yeah, I looked at it, and even tried creating one or two, but they weren't working, figured if someone already had one that worked... |
| 23:57.00 | atoponce | what have you tried? |
| 23:57.59 | atoponce | do you want to see the joins and quits, or ignore those too? |
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