| 00:01.12 | levi | I have a little fridge/heater, and it was nifty for a while, but then the fan up top got really noisy, and now it just doesn't work anymore. |
| 00:01.32 | dataw0lf | really? only had this one for a couple weeks |
| 00:02.02 | levi | I think I've had mine for about a year, maybe longer. |
| 00:02.52 | dataw0lf | I hope this one doesn't give out. It proved itself last weekend camping when I plugged it into the car and heated up some cider wine. |
| 00:05.34 | tristanbob | what is that command that installs services on debian? I can only think of "invoke-rc.d" |
| 00:06.16 | levi | dataw0lf: I had it running pretty much non-stop for that time. If you only use yours occasionally, I imagine it'll last longer. |
| 00:06.32 | dataw0lf | tristanbob: there's a couple. I use rcconf |
| 00:06.44 | tristanbob | what is the default? |
| 00:06.58 | dataw0lf | there isn't one on Debian. |
| 00:08.14 | dataw0lf | err, wait, update-rc.d |
| 00:08.37 | dataw0lf | My bad. |
| 00:17.22 | vontrapp | i've only ever had to edit stuff in /etc/defaults/ |
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| 03:21.11 | fozzmoo | http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/5991/ |
| 03:21.29 | Sargun | wow, mheath is alive... |
| 03:22.03 | fozzmoo | WHERE?! |
| 03:22.19 | Sargun | #defocus |
| 03:22.52 | fozzmoo | What's the charter of that channel? |
| 03:23.11 | Sargun | <Sargun> well, I mean, when are you planning on getting married |
| 03:23.12 | Sargun | <mheath> In June. |
| 03:23.12 | Sargun | <Sargun> fun |
| 03:23.12 | Sargun | <Sargun> who to |
| 03:23.18 | Sargun | <mheath> Sargun: It's a 62 year old transgendered former man. |
| 03:23.18 | Sargun | <mheath> Sargun: he/she works at a petsmart. |
| 03:23.27 | Sargun | I have a feeling he is telling the truth :-P |
| 03:23.52 | fozzmoo | Awh. Isn't that romantic. |
| 03:24.16 | nick125 | ugh....stupid flash/konqueror. |
| 03:24.24 | tripzero | hahaha |
| 03:24.46 | nick125 | I went to a page with a Flash object on it, and it locked up my desktop. |
| 03:25.03 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:25.21 | nick125 | I had to SSH in and killall -9 konqueror |
| 03:27.05 | nick125 | yay, I just matched my low score in knetwalk! 19 moves |
| 03:42.39 | Sargun | ok |
| 03:53.15 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 03:53.23 | Sargun | nick125, hey, sup? |
| 03:55.54 | Sargun | nick125, stba |
| 03:56.26 | nick125 | stba? |
| 04:03.28 | Sargun | sargun tanks boys in america |
| 04:17.46 | nick125 | wtf |
| 04:18.44 | tensai | Sargun: join nambla there did you? |
| 04:28.32 | nick125 | yay, I just beat my high score in knetwalk! Try beating 18! |
| 04:30.28 | fozzmoo | Here's something outrageous: Some snails have 15,000 teeth! |
| 04:30.41 | fozzmoo | (my daughter just read that out of some National Geographic kids magazine.) |
| 04:32.49 | findlay | Sargun: do you think that if CODEC_PREFS is () that it will cause problems with an iax2 call? |
| 04:45.07 | sontek | happy v-day |
| 04:45.09 | sontek | ! |
| 04:45.31 | findlay | ~kill sontek |
| 04:45.32 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse neutrino gun at sontek |
| 04:45.34 | elg | argh |
| 04:45.43 | elg | what's so hard about a php package that actually works? |
| 04:46.01 | nick125 | s/package// |
| 04:46.02 | fozzmoo | elg: Hey Mr. Sir Blogsalot. |
| 04:46.26 | elg | it's trying to download as application/x-httpd-php |
| 04:46.37 | elg | how do I fix it? |
| 04:47.04 | nick125 | elg: Fix your httpd config. Your httpd isn't sending .php requests to php |
| 04:47.12 | elg | right |
| 04:47.15 | elg | so how do I fix it? |
| 04:47.21 | nick125 | what httpd? |
| 04:47.29 | elg | apache2 |
| 04:47.38 | elg | ubuntu |
| 04:47.51 | nick125 | Are you using mod_php? |
| 04:48.01 | elg | that's what it installed |
| 04:48.04 | elg | but I could care less |
| 04:48.08 | elg | (trying to get cacti running) |
| 04:48.48 | nick125 | Hm..not sure how to do it on ubuntu, it probably involves moving stuff between /etc/apache2/modules.available.d (or whatever it is called) to /etc/apache2/modules.enabled.d (or whatever it is called). |
| 04:49.02 | elg | that part I'm familiar with |
| 04:49.12 | elg | I did link php5.{load,conf} |
| 04:49.19 | elg | but it didn't change anything |
| 04:49.29 | nick125 | And you restarted the httpd? |
| 04:50.13 | elg | yeah |
| 04:50.21 | nick125 | anything in the logs? |
| 04:51.56 | tensai | elg: do you have AddType application/x-httpd-php .php? |
| 04:52.40 | elg | ah, cacti.conf has that, but it's in ifmodule mod_php4.c |
| 04:52.43 | elg | i have mod_php5 |
| 04:53.57 | elg | but, however, that _is_ in the php5.conf file |
| 04:54.59 | tensai | Addhandler php-script .php |
| 04:56.54 | tensai | elg: this happens to me periodically but I can never remember what I do to fix it |
| 04:57.28 | elg | grumble |
| 04:57.33 | elg | browser cache |
| 04:57.41 | fozzmoo | :( |
| 04:57.45 | nick125 | caching :( |
| 04:58.14 | elg | well, maybe not |
| 04:59.03 | elg | maybe modphp isn't loading |
| 04:59.35 | elg | http://pastebin.ca/904712 |
| 04:59.47 | elg | it seems to be successful |
| 05:01.22 | elg | oh well, i'll look at it tomorrow |
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| 05:16.04 | atoponce | and the results were... |
| 05:18.29 | nick125 | I just locked up X by changing through songs in Amarok too fast. |
| 05:19.20 | fozzmoo | nick125: Scary. |
| 05:19.35 | fozzmoo | I hope the new version of Amarok w/ KDE4 is more stable. |
| 05:20.06 | tensai | amarok crashes about half of the times I sync up my podcasts |
| 05:20.13 | nick125 | I'm not sure if it is an Amarok problem or a X problem. I'm getting a bunch of errors in my Xorg log |
| 05:21.19 | nick125 | I can't wait until KDE4.1. |
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| 05:27.30 | Sargun | nick125, slap. |
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| 09:28.29 | sinofacop | when someone hurts someone else in front of you can it because of you because he maybe your kid/child or sister / mother? and how can i be emotional without being gay. are people always emotional? :D thank you |
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| 14:24.56 | Sargun | I think sinofacop shows why utahnians are weird... |
| 14:24.59 | Sargun | ^Migs^, sup |
| 14:25.43 | herlo | Sargun: or he's just a bot |
| 14:25.56 | Sargun | a utahnian bot none-the-less |
| 14:26.55 | herlo | Sargun: where does it say anything about utah in his statement above? Or are you just referring to the fact that he joined #utah? |
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| 15:08.45 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 15:08.46 | ibot | pong |
| 15:08.55 | Sargun | I doubt they will |
| 15:11.59 | tensai | herlo: in fact he's from ontario canada |
| 15:12.07 | tensai | or it, I suppose |
| 15:12.53 | findlay | whatever |
| 15:13.24 | findlay | there is no civic association with geopolitical boundaries online especially if it was a bot |
| 15:13.48 | findlay | therefore a bot being wiered reflects negatively even on Sargun because it lives purely online |
| 15:13.52 | findlay | :) |
| 15:18.47 | Sargun | :-| |
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| 15:25.08 | elg | like Sargun you mean? |
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| 15:27.27 | Sargun | |-: |
| 15:29.47 | brasto | i just installed an rx1500 pci express video card on my 64 bit opensuse-driven machine. I also installed 2 SATA drives, so i want to reinstall the OS. However, when I boot to the mini internet install cd, I get a blank screen after it loads the kernel. The cd passes the media check, and the iso file i burned it from passes the md5sum check. Any ideas on how i need to proceed from here? |
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| 15:31.30 | Sargun | GreatWhiteWizard, why do you want to reinstall? |
| 15:32.08 | GreatWhiteWizard | because i can't boot to the gui anymore, and because the os is on the old hard drive. i figured a reinstall will fix both issues, maybe. |
| 15:33.01 | GreatWhiteWizard | e.g.: i can't repartition while i'm using the os, can i? |
| 15:33.08 | elg | "Near ever door were bike racks, filled to the brim with bikes, something I haven’t even seen in Utah where things are usually fairly close together." |
| 15:33.19 | elg | he's kidding right? utah close together compared to california? |
| 15:34.14 | herlo | tensai: k, tx |
| 15:35.23 | dmdavis | elg: I don't know about compared to Cali, but wow, things are close together in Utah |
| 15:35.31 | tensai | GreatWhiteWizard: linux won't re-read the partition changes if any partition on the device is in use |
| 15:35.55 | dmdavis | We have been looking at houses in Virginia, and one of the small lots is .5 acres, whereas that's a huge one here |
| 15:37.33 | jsmith | dmdavis: What part of Virginia?!? |
| 15:37.40 | jsmith | dmdavis: Not all of Virginia is like that :-) |
| 15:37.43 | GreatWhiteWizard | so if i changed all the mount points, and simply copied all the files to a new location, it would work on reboot, tensai? |
| 15:37.46 | dmdavis | Charlottesville, blacksburg |
| 15:37.54 | jsmith | dmdavis: Ah, nice :-) |
| 15:38.43 | tensai | jsmith: so is it true that virginia is for lovers? |
| 15:39.01 | tensai | GreatWhiteWizard: sounds reasonable |
| 15:39.06 | jsmith | tensai: I think they should change it to "Virginia is for Commuters" |
| 15:39.16 | elg | things are not close together in utah |
| 15:39.26 | elg | UTA can't even set up a decent bus route |
| 15:39.27 | jsmith | elg: Nor in New Mexico ;-) |
| 15:39.31 | elg | slc is somewhat different |
| 15:39.37 | tensai | they are in japan! |
| 15:39.40 | elg | new mexico is on a whole other plane of not close together :) |
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| 15:39.59 | elg | cali is much more spread out than cities in the east, so it is indeed all relative |
| 15:40.49 | elg | and of course, sticks are sticks wherever you go. if you're looking at 1-story housing only, parts of utah may be relatively compact |
| 15:41.09 | elg | but just try getting by without a car |
| 15:41.24 | elg | you can get by without a car if you live in the city. even in cali |
| 15:41.34 | tensai | depends entirely on where in the location you are: sugarhouse vs moab. |
| 15:41.34 | elg | and maybe, just maybe, if you live in downtown slc |
| 15:42.15 | elg | right. most places in cali, certainly bay area, are at least as dense as sugarhouse |
| 15:42.31 | herlo | what may wok GreatWhiteWizard? |
| 15:43.27 | herlo | elg: things are much more spread out in LA than you think |
| 15:44.00 | elg | oh, i know it can take you an hour to find a pizza place |
| 15:44.27 | whiteley | what's up with lnxi? |
| 15:45.15 | GreatWhiteWizard | herlo: i added some sata drives to replace my ancient 13g and 6g drives. if i mount the drives with a temporary mount point, and copy the files over from the old drives, then change the mount points so root is on the new drives -all this on the live os with the partition manager and reboot, will it boot? |
| 15:45.20 | elg | because you have to drive around in circles through a maze of stores you don't want, through traffic |
| 15:45.34 | elg | but I had the same experience looking for a baskin robbins in slc |
| 15:46.02 | GreatWhiteWizard | herlo, my issue is this: i just installed an rx1500 pci express video card on my 64 bit opensuse-driven machine. I also installed 2 SATA drives, so i want to reinstall the OS. However, when I boot to the mini internet install cd, I get a blank screen after it loads the kernel. The cd passes the media check, and the iso file i burned it from passes the md5sum check. Any ideas on how i need to proceed from here? |
| 15:46.04 | elg | it can take an hour to go 5 miles in LA. I should hope it's more compact than utah |
| 15:46.13 | herlo | GreatWhiteWizard: probably should work. done similar things before |
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| 15:47.24 | whiteley | elg: impossible. I happen to know from watching "24" that you can travel from any point in LA to any other point in LA during a commercial. |
| 15:47.33 | elg | heh :) |
| 15:48.34 | herlo | elg: only if you drive :) |
| 15:48.48 | elg | hence the bicycles :) |
| 15:49.06 | herlo | or the train |
| 15:49.32 | herlo | convenient, fast |
| 15:51.31 | GreatWhiteWizard | then again, i still can't boot to the gui on the hdd either... |
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| 15:53.26 | elg | hooray for public transportation |
| 15:53.44 | elg | speaking of which, las cruces has a useful bus sytem that costs $0.50 a ride |
| 15:53.48 | elg | ~lart UTA |
| 15:53.48 | ibot | puts UTA through a wood chipper |
| 15:54.51 | GreatWhiteWizard | herlo, can i bring my tower to the novell tech lab? |
| 15:55.41 | herlo | GreatWhiteWizard: um, seeing as they are inviting you in, I dont see why not |
| 15:56.14 | herlo | but I dont know if theyve actually got it all up and going for regulars to come in yet |
| 15:56.22 | findlay | can I bring my lightsaber? |
| 15:56.33 | brasto | they are inviting /me/ in? |
| 15:56.42 | brasto | sweet! |
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| 15:57.21 | herlo | brasto: dunno |
| 15:57.23 | findlay | ~lart jayce |
| 15:57.23 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at jayce |
| 15:58.03 | brasto | i meant, if i bring /just/ my tower, do they have keyboards and mice i can use? |
| 15:58.27 | herlo | brasto: maybe |
| 15:58.36 | findlay | what would a huge mouse be called, a rat? |
| 15:58.59 | brasto | oh, and of course a monitor... |
| 15:59.06 | brasto | lol |
| 15:59.08 | findlay | no way |
| 15:59.09 | Supaplex | findlay: a trackball ;) |
| 15:59.39 | findlay | Supaplex: trackballs need to be transparen with a rodent inside |
| 15:59.46 | findlay | t |
| 16:00.38 | herlo | brasto: I turned off nick change events and am pn my treo |
| 16:00.58 | herlo | so doing tons of typing is challenging enough |
| 16:01.22 | brasto | ah, ok herlo, if you had them on you might have just discovered the relationship between Clark Kent and Superman... |
| 16:01.41 | herlo | could be |
| 16:01.48 | brasto | :) |
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| 16:23.59 | tristanbob | http://www.rhq-project.org/ |
| 16:24.22 | tristanbob | I don't understand that project - doesn't that take sales away from hyperic? |
| 16:25.27 | tensai | see, there it goes again. amarok crashed when I rsync'd my podcasts. |
| 16:28.10 | Keighvin | ~lart amarok |
| 16:28.10 | ibot | turns amarok into a lifesized tux doll |
| 16:28.23 | herlo | ~beat amarok |
| 16:28.23 | ibot | ACTION beats amarok with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 16:29.02 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: Is it real, or just vapor? |
| 16:29.32 | tristanbob | rsimpkins, not sure - just read the announcement |
| 16:29.57 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: I don't see anything of substance you can get. |
| 16:30.03 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: Lots of words, not a lot of code. |
| 16:30.19 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: Plenty of links to hyperic. :) |
| 16:30.33 | fozzmoo | ~puke hyperic |
| 16:30.34 | ibot | ACTION , while sick, attempts to make it to the porcelain god and pukes all over harleypig |
| 16:31.00 | rsimpkins | WTH is up with Linux Networx? |
| 16:31.07 | rsimpkins | I had no idea they were in trouble at all! |
| 16:31.11 | rsimpkins | I thought they were doing well. |
| 16:31.21 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: I had the impression they've always been inches above the line. |
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| 16:31.32 | fozzmoo | levi can probably offer more insight. |
| 16:31.34 | levi | Yeah, they've been near death for years. |
| 16:31.39 | rsimpkins | Ahh. |
| 16:31.41 | levi | When I left, things were looking up. |
| 16:31.44 | rsimpkins | Well, still sucks. :) |
| 16:31.45 | tristanbob | any good links to Linux Networx news? |
| 16:31.56 | rsimpkins | show up for work with the doors locked. :) |
| 16:31.57 | levi | But then, apparently, they had a couple of bad quarters. |
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| 16:32.12 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2008/february/momentum.html |
| 16:32.22 | levi | rsimpkins: I think most of the employees knew it was coming for a couple of days. |
| 16:32.31 | rsimpkins | levi: Well, still - ouch. |
| 16:32.46 | tristanbob | happy valentines day, you are fired |
| 16:33.03 | rsimpkins | I had the opportunity to interview some of their people. They seems the perfect candidates for government work. :) |
| 16:33.42 | dataw0lf | lnxi? |
| 16:34.02 | dataw0lf | ah, yea. |
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| 16:35.04 | levi | rsimpkins: What do you mean by that? |
| 16:35.15 | levi | And, man, their last branding change was garbage. |
| 16:35.27 | levi | "Let's make our logo look like toy blocks!" |
| 16:36.15 | dataw0lf | levi: didn't you work for LNXI? |
| 16:36.49 | fozzmoo | It's interesting that much of Linux Networx's management were ex-SGI. |
| 16:36.59 | fozzmoo | (and ex-Cray) |
| 16:37.11 | rsimpkins | levi: We didn't interview any engineers or what I would call strong systems people. |
| 16:37.20 | dataw0lf | the CEO of SGI used to be the CEO of Linux Networx, right? |
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| 16:38.44 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.51 | rsimpkins | Robert "Bo" Ewald |
| 16:39.05 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 16:48.42 | levi | dataw0lf: Yup. |
| 16:48.51 | levi | dataw0lf: One in a long line of Linux Networx CEOs. |
| 16:48.56 | Jayce^ | mrpull, when I look at last.fm now I have the line "DEMON LAMA" go through my head |
| 16:49.28 | levi | rsimpkins: What kind of people did you interview? Were these job-seekers? |
| 16:49.39 | rsimpkins | levi: Yes. |
| 16:49.57 | rsimpkins | levi: Other people I've talked to there were great, these two guys were not that great. |
| 16:50.03 | rsimpkins | levi: Not bad, just not great. |
| 16:50.18 | levi | Ahh. Well, yeah, everyone's got some not-so-great people. |
| 16:52.40 | levi | Lately, Linux Networx hasn't had a lot of great software engineers. They didn't do a very good job of retaining them. |
| 16:53.12 | herlo | levi: do you still work there? |
| 16:53.22 | levi | herlo: Nope. |
| 16:53.32 | levi | But I left relatively recently. |
| 16:53.35 | herlo | levi: where do you work these days? |
| 16:53.43 | levi | Harman Pro Group. |
| 16:53.48 | herlo | and they do? |
| 16:54.00 | dataw0lf | audio |
| 16:54.25 | herlo | oh, as in that discussion you and sjansen were having yesterday, I see |
| 16:54.41 | levi | Professional audio, even. |
| 16:54.46 | Sargun | they are the people who make the janky Dell speakers |
| 16:54.52 | levi | They own a bunch of brands of audio equipment. |
| 16:55.03 | herlo | nice |
| 16:55.06 | dataw0lf | levi: so embedded stuff? |
| 16:55.15 | levi | AKG, BSS, Crown, dbx, Lexicon, Soundcraft, Studer, and JBL Professional. |
| 16:55.29 | levi | dataw0lf: Yup. Embedded networking stuff. |
| 16:55.46 | dataw0lf | cool stuff. |
| 16:56.45 | levi | LNXI got out of the custom hardware business, and I got tired of fighting a losing battle to do interesting systems software there, so I bailed when I got an offer to do interesting things again. :) |
| 17:04.00 | elg | anyone speak french? |
| 17:04.23 | Supaplex | yes, but you'll have to pardon it if I do |
| 17:04.40 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 17:04.59 | levi | So, I got some chocolates from Chocolatier Blue yesterday. Yum! |
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| 17:08.48 | vontrapp | haha, this is rich, now hanging signs and rallying are "guerrilla politactics" |
| 17:09.53 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:10.10 | levi | Maybe, but they're about as old as politics. :) |
| 17:10.55 | vontrapp | yeah, he says you have to engage in public discourse with a certain amount of respect |
| 17:11.08 | vontrapp | well, if your "discourse" is the MSM, then i don't know what to say to that |
| 17:11.11 | levi | Who's saying this? |
| 17:11.18 | vontrapp | some guy in the daily universe |
| 17:11.29 | levi | Oh, the Daily Unifarce. |
| 17:11.33 | vontrapp | yep :) |
| 17:13.54 | vontrapp | one guy earlier this week writes that romney's legacy was gay marraige in massachussetts and handing the nomination to mccain, and so today three people jump all over "paulites" for slandering their precious romney |
| 17:14.27 | vontrapp | i don't remember if he even mentioned romney |
| 17:15.28 | levi | Nothing in there is worth getting worked up over. |
| 17:15.35 | vontrapp | but one today said "I can only assume ... you support a certain presidential candidate (he who must not be named) ..." wf?? |
| 17:15.54 | vontrapp | i'm not getting worked up, i just find it hilarious |
| 17:16.11 | levi | Yeah, but those people seem to be. |
| 17:16.20 | vontrapp | and it makes me sad for the 'bright minds' at byu :( |
| 17:16.55 | vontrapp | er ^^ i mean i don't know if he even mentioned _paul_ |
| 17:16.56 | vontrapp | my bad |
| 17:17.05 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Yeah. It's either grassroots or guerrilla depending on your position. :) |
| 17:17.50 | fozzmoo | brasto: Like... until yesterday? |
| 17:18.14 | levi | brasto: Whose idea was it to switch the logo to those silly blocks? |
| 17:20.43 | brasto | fozzmoo, yep, until yesterday |
| 17:20.52 | herlo | brasto: why don't you work there no more? |
| 17:21.13 | brasto | levi - i don't know specifically, it was the marketing people... |
| 17:21.31 | levi | herlo: It got hatcheted and the corpse was sold to SGI. |
| 17:21.40 | herlo | SGI blows |
| 17:21.55 | brasto | herlo: cat /dev/null LinuxNetworx ... |
| 17:21.56 | herlo | they fire all the good people, like Dan Farmer |
| 17:22.14 | herlo | brasto: you mean cat /dev/null > LinuxNetworx |
| 17:22.31 | brasto | iow Linux Networx investors forclosed on LNXI |
| 17:22.33 | herlo | otherwise, LinuxNetwork just gets output to stdout |
| 17:22.39 | brasto | yes, that's what i meant... |
| 17:22.43 | herlo | hehe |
| 17:22.45 | levi | brasto: Any idea who got job offers? |
| 17:22.52 | levi | From SGI, I mean. |
| 17:22.55 | fozzmoo | SGI blows? |
| 17:23.10 | herlo | fozzmoo: they fire all the good people |
| 17:23.24 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. |
| 17:23.26 | brasto | i know a couple of the people that did - Clusterworx developers, other than that, nope |
| 17:23.35 | fozzmoo | I did an internship at SGI/Cray in MN |
| 17:23.43 | fozzmoo | I liked it then. 11 years ago. |
| 17:23.53 | levi | brasto: So, there wasn't any interest in the LS1 stack? |
| 17:23.54 | herlo | fozzmoo: hehe, you realize I have very little to base this on, I'm just sad for my friends |
| 17:24.15 | herlo | well brasto, at least |
| 17:24.18 | fozzmoo | The Mayan calendar apparently ends in 2012. |
| 17:24.30 | herlo | fozzmoo: you just realied this? |
| 17:24.45 | levi | fozzmoo: That's when the world is going to end. :P |
| 17:24.50 | fozzmoo | I've known this for some time. But it just popped into my head. |
| 17:25.15 | herlo | that's my other favorite calendar |
| 17:25.30 | Aliosa27 | good old nostradamus says 2012 as well |
| 17:25.30 | brasto | i don't know much about what happened to the ls-1 stack guys because i didn't work closely with them - but i saw at least 2 of them *not* in the line of poeple waiting to talk to hr |
| 17:25.36 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 17:25.59 | levi | brasto: Hmm, which ones? |
| 17:26.03 | fozzmoo | If Obama's elected, we'll know for sure... the end is near. |
| 17:26.11 | herlo | fozzmoo: whatever |
| 17:26.18 | levi | (they were my closest co-workers, so I'm curious how they fared) |
| 17:26.28 | fozzmoo | herlo: That's the attitude! |
| 17:26.31 | RedHeron | Quit baiting me for a political argument, fozzmoo. |
| 17:26.37 | herlo | ron paul won't win, McCain and Hilary are the devil incarnate and who's left? |
| 17:26.54 | tristanbob | anti-matter |
| 17:26.55 | brasto | David Anderson and George Thomas seemed like they were remaining, but I'm not sure |
| 17:27.02 | fozzmoo | herlo: You're right. Let's just elect the guy who's got a nice (empty) message. |
| 17:27.18 | levi | brasto: What about Troy and Ryan? |
| 17:27.27 | RedHeron | fozzmoo: You mean "let's abolish the IRS"? |
| 17:27.34 | RedHeron | Empty like that? |
| 17:27.41 | tristanbob | no, that is a real message |
| 17:27.44 | fozzmoo | I'm all for that. |
| 17:27.52 | RedHeron | No, that's an empty promise that can't be fulfilled. |
| 17:27.58 | Sargun | herlo, Obama. |
| 17:27.58 | fozzmoo | I disagree. |
| 17:27.58 | brasto | I didn't know Troy or Ryan, though i may have seen them frequently and just not known them by name |
| 17:28.06 | fozzmoo | I mean, it's exaggeration. |
| 17:28.13 | fozzmoo | You can't completely destroy the IRS. |
| 17:28.15 | levi | brasto: Troy was the guy with the camo-cube. :) |
| 17:28.18 | RedHeron | fozzmoo: Show me where Obama's exaggerated. |
| 17:28.23 | fozzmoo | But you can whittle it down to a fraction of its size. |
| 17:28.44 | fozzmoo | RedHeron: Obama wants to "abolish" the IRS? |
| 17:28.51 | RedHeron | fozzmoo: No, Paul does. |
| 17:28.56 | tensai | eek! no more Ron Paul today please! |
| 17:28.57 | fozzmoo | That's what I thought. |
| 17:29.10 | RedHeron | Obama won't make an empty promise. |
| 17:29.11 | fozzmoo | So, why are you asking me where Obama's exaggerated? I thought we were talking about Paul. |
| 17:29.16 | fozzmoo | RedHeron: Heh. |
| 17:29.38 | RedHeron | We're comparing, fozzmoo... so I showed you Paul's empty promises, show me ONE of Obama's. |
| 17:29.41 | vontrapp | you can have destroying hte irs as a goal and work towards that goal, just because it won't happen in x years doesn't mean it will never happen |
| 17:29.54 | fozzmoo | Hope for changing hope that change changes your hope for change and we all hope to change hopefully with change fresh on our mind while we change our hopes and hope the change hopes change changes us. |
| 17:29.59 | levi | *sigh* |
| 17:30.03 | RedHeron | vontrapp: Paul can't deliver on that, and that's the fact. |
| 17:30.05 | brasto | livi, ok, i know who Troy is now, lol |
| 17:30.13 | tensai | no seriously, not again. didn't we decide this argument will never be concluded? |
| 17:30.14 | fozzmoo | gotta meeting. bbiab |
| 17:30.15 | brasto | i don't know what happened to him |
| 17:30.20 | vontrapp | who can deliver on anything they promies? |
| 17:30.30 | brasto | s/livi/levi/ |
| 17:30.34 | RedHeron | vontrapp: Obama has a 12-year track record that says he can. |
| 17:30.36 | fozzmoo | Obama can deliver on his promises. |
| 17:30.43 | herlo | fozzmoo: his message reminds me of one JFK, I don't think its empty |
| 17:30.45 | vontrapp | if that's your metric, then we must vote for mccain, i bet he could deliver on the promise to stay in iraq for 100 years |
| 17:31.03 | atoponce | oh boy. politics |
| 17:31.05 | fozzmoo | When he done, we'll all be wearing grey jumpsuits with russian numbers stencilled on the back. |
| 17:31.05 | herlo | Sargun: tx |
| 17:31.22 | vontrapp | RedHeron: paul has a 20 year track record of consistently following the constitution in all cases |
| 17:31.23 | RedHeron | McCain, yes... but not Obama. |
| 17:31.23 | fozzmoo | In line for our daily antidepressants. |
| 17:31.35 | RedHeron | vontrapp: I disagree, being a Constitutionalist. |
| 17:31.48 | atoponce | where's unum to join in on the discussion |
| 17:31.49 | atoponce | ? |
| 17:31.51 | herlo | fozzmoo: haha, it will be either like JFK or Jimmy Carter. Influential movement of amazement, or absolutely nothing happens in the next 4 years because the congress won't work with im |
| 17:31.55 | vontrapp | just because he might not deliver immediately on lofty goals doesn't mean he won't go in a positive direction |
| 17:31.55 | herlo | him |
| 17:32.09 | brasto | rsimkins, is Omniture still looking for system admins? |
| 17:32.10 | RedHeron | herlo: Congressional support is already there, and proven. |
| 17:32.12 | levi | brasto: Ryan Jackson was in the cube next to him, I believe. |
| 17:32.20 | vontrapp | RedHeron: oh really? why is he not constitutionalist? |
| 17:32.32 | vontrapp | RedHeron: and who is if not paul? |
| 17:32.36 | RedHeron | vontrapp: Because he doesn't support any amendments. |
| 17:32.38 | herlo | RedHeron: from Dems yes, but there are still elections to be decided and if the Reps get some power back it'll be interesting |
| 17:32.50 | RedHeron | herlo: He has people on both sides. |
| 17:32.54 | brasto | i'll see what i can find out, but i don't know what happened with Ryan either |
| 17:32.58 | vontrapp | RedHeron: oh i'm so sure, he doesn't support _any_ ammendments?? |
| 17:33.08 | herlo | RedHeron: sure, they all do. But he doesn't have everyone |
| 17:33.19 | RedHeron | vontrapp: Freedom of speech/net neutrality among them. |
| 17:33.28 | vontrapp | oh bother |
| 17:33.31 | RedHeron | herlo: Nobody does, but Obama has a LOT. |
| 17:33.34 | vontrapp | -lart RedHeron |
| 17:33.41 | levi | Oh geez, knock it off, guys! |
| 17:33.52 | RedHeron | fozzmoo started it. |
| 17:33.53 | levi | Let's talk about chocolate instead. |
| 17:34.08 | vontrapp | don't worry, levi, i'm not playing into it today |
| 17:34.10 | herlo | RedHeron: I agree, I feel it will be a JFK style presidency. Hopefully he won't be shot by Lee Harvey Oswald |
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| 17:34.12 | RedHeron | I'd like to, but I don't have any. |
| 17:34.18 | tensai | levi: my wife threatened to throw up when I told her about the chocolate chip bacon cookies somebody posted |
| 17:34.21 | RedHeron | herlo: That's my hope as well. |
| 17:34.29 | herlo | lots of positive messages and movements |
| 17:34.36 | levi | RedHeron: Buy some from here: http://www.chocolatierblue.com/ |
| 17:34.36 | herlo | lots of change |
| 17:34.40 | brac | [organic chocolates by chocolatier blue] |
| 17:34.46 | RedHeron | levi: I would, if I had the money. |
| 17:35.09 | RedHeron | herlo: Lots of citizen backer in the grass roots areas. |
| 17:35.11 | herlo | to be honest, I don't think I've *ever* felt quite this way for any candidate |
| 17:35.15 | RedHeron | s/backer/backers |
| 17:35.26 | herlo | I'm one of those citizens |
| 17:35.47 | levi | tensai: Have you tried Chocolatier Blue chocolates? |
| 17:35.54 | tensai | levi: I have not |
| 17:36.18 | herlo | and wonders a lot about those things with Obama |
| 17:36.22 | RedHeron | herlo: I hadn't thought of that, but you're right about FOSS being basically grassroots. |
| 17:36.27 | levi | tensai: You should. They are very good. |
| 17:36.40 | herlo | RedHeron: of course it is. It wouldn't have been able to suceeed with out something like that |
| 17:37.14 | tensai | levi: I don't get over to Alpine much |
| 17:37.15 | herlo | with three e's |
| 17:37.26 | levi | tensai: Neither do I, but it was worth the trip! |
| 17:37.34 | levi | tensai: I even got a free sample while I was there. |
| 17:37.47 | herlo | or FOSS hugs him, hes never quite sure |
| 17:37.47 | tensai | levi: it's a bit more of a trek from idaho :) |
| 17:37.57 | levi | tensai: You can mail-order them, too. |
| 17:37.57 | RedHeron | herlo: PHP, MySQL, Postgre, Apache, GIMP, and chocolate-chip bagels. |
| 17:38.17 | dmdavis | levi: have you tried amano chocolates? |
| 17:38.19 | tensai | levi: all I see on their site is a few v-day collections |
| 17:38.26 | herlo | no chocolate chip, oatmeal raisin cookies rock though |
| 17:38.32 | tensai | dmdavis: amano == delicious |
| 17:38.33 | vontrapp | herlo: who do you like that's grassroots? |
| 17:38.38 | dmdavis | tensai: yep. only got it once, but it's awesome |
| 17:38.49 | RedHeron | herlo: The chocolate chip ones are only good hot. |
| 17:38.49 | herlo | vontrapp: with regard to politics? |
| 17:38.49 | dmdavis | amano was started by a guy on the Plug |
| 17:38.52 | levi | tensai: Did you look at what's in the v-day collections? |
| 17:39.01 | vontrapp | i guess, not sure what you were talking about up there |
| 17:39.14 | RedHeron | That does it... Richard Stallman for president! |
| 17:39.26 | levi | tensai: They change their lineup of chocolates by season, and the v-day line is the current one. |
| 17:39.30 | herlo | RedHeron: I'm a very selective chocolate connoisseur |
| 17:39.50 | levi | dmdavis: I haven't tried amano yet, but I want to. |
| 17:39.57 | dmdavis | levi: you should try amano, it's located in orem (though I don't think they have a retail store) and the chocolates won several awards |
| 17:40.00 | RedHeron | herlo: Like I said... good chocolate chip bagels, still piping hot. Belgian chips, not US wax. |
| 17:40.17 | herlo | RedHeron: I'd go for that, just pointing out my preferences still |
| 17:40.20 | tensai | levi: oh now I see what's in it |
| 17:40.24 | herlo | Bagels are *ok* |
| 17:40.45 | levi | dmdavis: I will, as soon as I can find some. Did you look at the chocolatier blue website? |
| 17:40.56 | dmdavis | levi: yeah, and those chocolates look awesome |
| 17:40.59 | herlo | but I prefer biscuits and gravy or pancakes for breakfast, which is not the best thing for me :) |
| 17:41.00 | RyanE | Amano makes it from the actual cocoa beans, most others don't. |
| 17:41.24 | tensai | levi: I bought my amano from their store on amazon |
| 17:41.28 | RedHeron | herlo: Depends on the biscuits, gravy, etc. |
| 17:41.58 | dmdavis | It was Art Pollard who started Amano. I remember him asking on the Plug about some network/online store stuff for his chocolate store |
| 17:42.03 | herlo | RedHeron: but if they are healthy, they don't have the same 'stick-to-the-bones' yummy goodness |
| 17:42.12 | dmdavis | He should present to the Plug about his experience, and bring free samples :) |
| 17:42.15 | RyanE | Yep. Art's a good guy. |
| 17:42.19 | RedHeron | 100% whole wheat honey biscuits, home-made turkey-and-beef gravy... 400 calories per serving. |
| 17:42.20 | herlo | and you have to get them in the south. Nowhere else makes good ones |
| 17:42.22 | RyanE | He'd probably go for that. |
| 17:42.33 | herlo | vontrapp: Pete Asdown is *definitely* grass roots, I like him |
| 17:42.43 | dmdavis | He let me tour where he makes the chocolates. cool place |
| 17:43.16 | herlo | <homer>mmmm, biscuits </homer> |
| 17:43.23 | levi | The Amano stuff is just chocolate bars, though. Not that bars are bad, but Chocolatier Blue is something else entirely. |
| 17:44.00 | pashdown | who wha? |
| 17:44.01 | RedHeron | I wanna go to Siegfried's. |
| 17:44.18 | dmdavis | levi: true |
| 17:44.22 | herlo | RedHeron: as in downtown slc? |
| 17:44.28 | levi | Chocolatier Blue makes chocolate candies, with fillings made from the best ingredients he can find. |
| 17:44.29 | herlo | pashdown: we think you rock |
| 17:44.34 | RedHeron | herlo: Yeah... weird, huh? |
| 17:44.36 | pashdown | the feeling is mutual |
| 17:44.45 | herlo | :) woohoo, we are gonna rock |
| 17:44.46 | RedHeron | ^5 pashdown. |
| 17:44.57 | pashdown | how bout that $100M for SCO? |
| 17:44.58 | herlo | RedHeron: that place is awesome |
| 17:45.13 | RedHeron | herlo: Yes, yes it is. |
| 17:45.52 | RedHeron | Nope, just got pocket lint and a quarter. |
| 17:45.58 | dmdavis | levi: nice thing about amano, is I can get some for only $7, where the cheapest from chocolatier blue is $28 :) |
| 17:46.16 | levi | dmdavis: If you go to the shop, you can buy them in any quantity you want. |
| 17:46.17 | pashdown | red up until yesterday you could have bought SCO! |
| 17:46.22 | dmdavis | levi: oh, nice |
| 17:46.23 | RyanE | right, but they aren't the same product. amano is *just* chocolate, no other ingredients. |
| 17:46.41 | herlo | pashdown: oh yeah, the middle eastern investers... Dunno what happens to the SCO people when they spend their money doing stupid things again |
| 17:46.48 | Supaplex | pashdown: sounds like $99.999.999M too much :) |
| 17:47.13 | levi | You can also chat with Chris Blue about his ingredients or how he makes them or whatever when you're at the store. |
| 17:47.17 | vontrapp | herlo: yeah, pashdown ftw |
| 17:47.23 | levi | And get a free sample. :) |
| 17:47.24 | herlo | Supaplex: how much is that? |
| 17:47.33 | herlo | that's a lot of Millions of Millions |
| 17:47.37 | dmdavis | levi: can I keep going back in for more free samples? :) |
| 17:47.55 | RyanE | can I bring a box to hold my free samples? |
| 17:47.55 | levi | dmdavis: Well, probably not several times in a day. :) |
| 17:48.03 | RyanE | with a ribbon? |
| 17:48.08 | RyanE | I guess I'm a day late anyway. |
| 17:48.11 | dmdavis | :) |
| 17:48.25 | levi | Anyway, well worth a trip. |
| 17:48.28 | herlo | oh, I didn't realize they let Darl go though |
| 17:48.31 | herlo | interesting |
| 17:48.33 | Supaplex | s/99.999.999M/99.999999M/ |
| 17:49.08 | levi | I really love the nut fillings. They taste so much more like real nuts than you get with a typical filled chocolate. |
| 17:49.20 | RedHeron | s/backer/backers/ |
| 17:49.26 | levi | And the fillings are so creamy and buttery. |
| 17:50.26 | vontrapp | who has those katana meets pumpkin pictures? and where are they? |
| 17:51.18 | Jayce^ | those belong to Keighvin |
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| 17:59.06 | Keighvin | Er... That didn't go so well this time around - I ended up breaking the tang in the sword. :( |
| 17:59.39 | Keighvin | http://wideniche.blogspot.com/2006/11/homebrew-tameshigeri.html |
| 17:59.50 | Keighvin | That was the original. |
| 17:59.50 | Keighvin | http://wideniche.blogspot.com/2007/11/samurai-3000-2007-katana.html |
| 17:59.54 | Keighvin | This was last November. |
| 18:02.20 | vontrapp | Keighvin: yeah, i found them on planet utah :) |
| 18:02.26 | vontrapp | showing a friend |
| 18:02.35 | findlay | Sargun: qwhat's your iax provider again? |
| 18:02.41 | findlay | s/q// |
| 18:04.38 | Sargun | I terminate SIP from my provider |
| 18:04.58 | nick125 | Sargun: Don't you use iax.cc, which, ironically, doesn't use IAX? |
| 18:05.00 | Sargun | and then repeat it over IAX to various asterisks/SIP phone/IAX phones I have spread around the earth |
| 18:05.03 | Sargun | nick125, hehe |
| 18:05.13 | Sargun | nick125, I use iax.cc for toll-free outgoing/incoming |
| 18:05.21 | Sargun | and teliax for all my production stuff |
| 18:05.29 | nick125 | Sargun: oh yeah...you use that...teliax for local stuff |
| 18:06.27 | findlay | what about teliax? |
| 18:07.08 | Sargun | Teliax for anything which isn't toll-free basically.. |
| 18:07.41 | findlay | why iax.cc? |
| 18:09.01 | Sargun | for toll-free stuff? |
| 18:09.08 | Sargun | why not? |
| 18:11.25 | findlay | because |
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| 18:18.57 | findlay | ~sargun sjansen |
| 18:18.58 | ibot | see ~tene sjansen |
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| 18:19.35 | findlay | ~tene sjansen |
| 18:19.41 | sjansen | Someone needs to _punish_ MS for IE. |
| 18:19.51 | findlay | haha |
| 18:20.57 | dataw0lf | I thought that's what Firefox was doing. |
| 18:21.29 | tensai | sjansen: isn't using IE punishment enough? |
| 18:21.42 | sjansen | No. |
| 18:22.05 | sjansen | Firefox is taking market share. Web developers suffer so that IE users won't. |
| 18:23.09 | sjansen | I'm saying anyone responsible for the current state of IE should be required to shave firth 20 grit sandpaper for a year. |
| 18:24.15 | sjansen | Perhaps we could use anti-terrorism laws to ship them off to Egypt for "interrogation". |
| 18:25.13 | levi | I think we should enact government legislation to force Microsoft to make IE standards-compliant! :P |
| 18:25.44 | fozzmoo | They're investigating steroid use in major league baseball.I don't suppose that's too much more to ask. |
| 18:30.55 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Now that Congress has become the FBI, and the FBI has become the CIA, it makes you wonder what the CIA is up do, now doesn't it ;-) |
| 18:31.06 | sjansen | Can't be bothered to protect basic American principles like privacy and accountability, but they do have time to investigate doping in a sport no one cares about anymore. |
| 18:31.20 | fozzmoo | jsmith: You know it, brother. |
| 18:32.11 | sjansen | Microsoft should buy Congress instead of Yahoo. Then Google could provide the seed capital for Ron Paul to create Congress 2.0 |
| 18:33.54 | fozzmoo | http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080214.jpg |
| 18:35.36 | jsmith | sjansen: Why buy congress when you get the milk for free? |
| 18:36.29 | sjansen | Because it would make as much sense as buying Yahoo. |
| 18:40.01 | sjansen | Okay, on topic question: When would you ever use $ in the _result_ of a DNS queury? TXT is the only record type I can think of that would allow it. |
| 18:40.57 | findlay | you get money for your DNS queries? |
| 18:43.43 | jsmith | findlay: SRV records maybe? |
| 18:44.33 | herlo | sjansen: there are people who care about the sport, but most people don't care if they dope or not though |
| 18:44.54 | herlo | I only care that my son doesn't take up their habits |
| 18:48.03 | sjansen | ~groan jsmith |
| 18:49.06 | jsmith | ~buy sjansen tissues |
| 18:49.07 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen tissuess for sjansen |
| 18:51.03 | findlay | tissuess! |
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| 19:04.38 | findlay | ~emcnabb sjansen |
| 19:05.01 | emcnabb | findlay, don't curse sjansen |
| 19:05.10 | emcnabb | woohoo, my Thinkpad works again! |
| 19:05.25 | emcnabb | and it's a good thing I have the extended, onsite warranty |
| 19:05.29 | findlay | ~sjansen emcnabb |
| 19:05.29 | ibot | ACTION tells emcnabb good things about sjansen |
| 19:05.37 | emcnabb | would have cost $750 |
| 19:06.06 | elg | how dd you break it? |
| 19:08.14 | emcnabb | there was a short circuit somewhere on it. if I'd press down any where on the keyboard it would lock hard |
| 19:08.46 | emcnabb | it also complained in Windows/Linux about a USB device pulling too much power, even if nothing was plugged in |
| 19:09.03 | emcnabb | several times a second |
| 19:10.54 | sjansen | emcnabb: We've been through this before. A laptop is not a hot plate and should not be used as one. |
| 19:11.14 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:11.14 | ibot | follow's sjansen with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 19:11.20 | emcnabb | don't you have work to do? |
| 19:11.32 | herlo | sjansen: I love my lappy for a food station though. How am I going to travel now? |
| 19:12.11 | herlo | and waits |
| 19:13.27 | herlo | and gives up waiting, and goes back to what he was doing. What was that again? |
| 19:17.44 | sjansen | herlo: You were compiling Firefox so you could make toast. |
| 19:30.58 | Tene | sjansen: you would want $ in the result of a DNS query so that your records can talk about "micro$oft" with the appropriate spelling. |
| 19:39.15 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:54.32 | herlo | sjansen: no compiling of firefox here, I use epiphany on this little bugger |
| 20:04.45 | RyanE | sjansen: I find that compiling X/KDE/Gnome under gentoo makes for toastier toast. |
| 20:05.16 | beandog | toastie! |
| 20:18.48 | levi | Hey, social networks might not be completely worthless after all. |
| 20:21.51 | jsmith | levi: How so? |
| 20:22.10 | RyanE | they provide jobs for the jstays among us. :) |
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| 20:29.46 | sjansen | Powdered toast? |
| 20:30.32 | Supaplex | Cinnamon toast! |
| 20:31.06 | ^Migs^ | ~quot scox |
| 20:31.11 | ^Migs^ | ~quote scox |
| 20:31.26 | bachisanerd | if anybody here is looking for a few extra bucks, there's a Dr. in St. George who's IT people disappeared and he's pretty desperate for somebody do manage his stuff. He's got a few 4 core AMD servers running Debian. One is a web server, another is a Samba/FTP server, and there's a DNS server. |
| 20:31.33 | Supaplex | 8:-528am? |
| 20:31.38 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 20:31.44 | ^Migs^ | that looks like an emoticon from hell |
| 20:31.54 | bachisanerd | drop me a line at benjamin@mishapstudios.com for his contact info if interested |
| 20:31.55 | Supaplex | lol |
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| 20:32.13 | ^Migs^ | what kind of job is this, bachisanerd? Full-time job? |
| 20:32.16 | ^Migs^ | telecommute job? |
| 20:32.30 | bachisanerd | could start part-time and grow |
| 20:32.43 | bachisanerd | He needs somebody to go on-site to get everything cleaned up, |
| 20:32.53 | ^Migs^ | I don't think anybody here even lives in St. George. |
| 20:32.59 | ^Migs^ | few enough even live in Utah |
| 20:33.00 | JoshH | is he paying for travel and a hotel in mesquite? |
| 20:33.01 | bachisanerd | but I imagine that he'd be ok with SSH maint. |
| 20:33.19 | bachisanerd | JoshH: couldn't hurt to ask :) |
| 20:33.32 | bachisanerd | I went to look at what he had but I've never done DNS |
| 20:33.39 | Sargun | Bind? |
| 20:33.44 | bachisanerd | and my Debian experience is limited to basic Ubuntu |
| 20:33.45 | Supaplex | JoshH: drive down one weekend, get it all cleaned up, maintain from $HOME :) |
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| 20:33.57 | JoshH | telecommuting a couple hours per week, occasional weekend trips down there paid, for an exorbitant consulting fee wouldn't be bad at all |
| 20:34.07 | ^Migs^ | gosh, no kidding it wouldn't |
| 20:34.16 | ^Migs^ | I have a ton of sick and vacation leave saved up at this job |
| 20:34.39 | ^Migs^ | will he pay for travel for my wife and kids? |
| 20:34.51 | JoshH | and provide a gambling stipend |
| 20:35.07 | bachisanerd | he may just need help that bad |
| 20:35.07 | ^Migs^ | and pay for in-room movies |
| 20:35.15 | Supaplex | can he join us here on irc for more questions? ;) |
| 20:35.26 | ^Migs^ | yeah, bring him in here |
| 20:35.36 | ^Migs^ | Doctors always have plenty of free time |
| 20:35.47 | ^Migs^ | where'd his tech team go anyway? |
| 20:35.50 | ^Migs^ | that sounds suspicious |
| 20:35.54 | bachisanerd | I doubt he's done IRC before |
| 20:35.56 | ^Migs^ | do the police suspect foul play? |
| 20:35.56 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: then why does it cost me so much? ;) |
| 20:36.07 | bachisanerd | One went on a mission, the other went back to Germany |
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| 20:36.25 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 20:36.27 | ^Migs^ | sucks to be him |
| 20:36.39 | ^Migs^ | that's why it's bad to have tech support in Utah |
| 20:36.40 | Supaplex | Jayce^ might like the lack of snow =:-D |
| 20:37.32 | ^Migs^ | haha CORE 3 TRIO! http://englishrussia.com/?p=547 |
| 20:38.40 | mrpull | ^Migs^: I recently read that AMD will be selling 3 core CPU's. |
| 20:39.00 | mrpull | I can't comment on vodka though |
| 20:39.49 | ^Migs^ | what would be the point, mrpull? |
| 20:40.30 | mrpull | for the 3 core cpu's? Some speculate it is nothing more than selling quad core cpu's that have a defective core. |
| 20:40.42 | mrpull | other say it is just a way to hit all the price points |
| 20:41.15 | ^Migs^ | quadcores are already rapidly coming down in price |
| 20:42.06 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Not fast enough... |
| 20:42.14 | mrpull | wikipedia says it true so it must be |
| 20:42.15 | mrpull | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_%28processor%29 |
| 20:42.35 | jsmith | I wish my dual-core AMD supported virtualization |
| 20:45.35 | ^Migs^ | you know, I kind of want one too |
| 20:48.23 | mrpull | I think I just need a gaming console |
| 20:48.32 | mrpull | my PC is great for web browsing and email |
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| 21:01.06 | bonez44 | any Palm device users here, using pilot-link/jpilot? I can't get a new USB palm cradle to synch .. looking for some advice on troubleshooting |
| 21:04.11 | nick125 | bonez44: You have to press the hotsync button on your cradle and hit the hotsync button in jpilot once the hotsync screen shows up on the device. |
| 21:07.30 | Sargun | run PS, then run the hotsync |
| 21:07.35 | Sargun | er |
| 21:07.38 | Sargun | PilotLink |
| 21:10.52 | nick125 | Sargun: That doesn't work. |
| 21:11.20 | nick125 | Because if you have jpilot trying on ttyUSB0, it will move that port to ttyUSB2. |
| 21:12.09 | levi | jsmith: I got an interesting email via LinkedIn. |
| 21:12.30 | Sargun | nick125, weird, I always launch pilot-sync first |
| 21:12.36 | Sargun | and then click hotsync |
| 21:13.14 | jsmith | levi: OK... go on. |
| 21:13.59 | levi | jsmith: Well, it wouldn't have happened if I wasn't on LinkedIn. |
| 21:14.07 | levi | It's not much of a story. |
| 21:14.32 | jsmith | levi: You found your one true love... the girl you kissed in fifth grade? |
| 21:14.41 | jsmith | levi: And it was on Valentine's Day? |
| 21:17.20 | nick125 | They just managed to ship my order *today*. |
| 21:22.49 | beandog | amazon prime is the only way to go |
| 21:23.04 | beandog | of course, I only say that because Ive had it free for about 3 years now. |
| 21:23.25 | nick125 | I placed my order last Saturday...which is what is pissing me off |
| 21:34.04 | levi | Sparkfun is not exactly a huge outfit. |
| 21:44.47 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from goozbach seems to be broken, due to "404 Not Found". |
| 21:45.02 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from dataw0lf seems to be broken, due to "404 Not Found". |
| 21:45.14 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from jottley seems to be broken, due to an error "no element found" on line 1. |
| 21:45.24 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from sandflea seems to be broken, due to "404 Not Found". |
| 21:45.32 | rsimpkins | The RSS-feed from phoenix seems to be broken, due to an error "not well-formed (invalid token)" on line 72. |
| 21:45.35 | rsimpkins | That is all. :) |
| 21:45.53 | sontek | your rss is broken! |
| 21:48.18 | maquis | beandog: nice |
| 21:48.46 | maquis | nick125: amazon? |
| 21:48.50 | maquis | that's the way to go |
| 21:49.03 | maquis | this sparkFun thing doesn't sound as good |
| 21:49.18 | nick125 | I'm pretty sure Amazon doesn't sell Luxeon III LEDs and breakout boards |
| 21:49.43 | nick125 | levi: I ordered stuff from Adafruit that was shipped the next business day. And that's even smaller. |
| 21:53.13 | bonez44 | what is Adafruit? |
| 21:53.34 | nick125 | small electronics distributor |
| 21:53.52 | bonez44 | oh, so no real Fruit, eh? |
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| 21:53.55 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:56.43 | RedHeron | vontrapp: This is not a "solution" this is called "escalation" and why we need stuff like net neutrality: http://www.digg.com/software/BitTorrent_Developers_Introduce_Comcast_Busting_Encryption_2 |
| 21:56.49 | levi | nick125: I'm sure you can imagine why a smaller one might be more responsive than a small outfit like SparkFun. |
| 21:57.49 | levi | Anyway, maybe if you complain to SparkFun, they'll see about hiring extra help or something. |
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| 22:32.33 | Keighvin | http://www.smbc-comics.com/ |
| 22:32.34 | brac | [Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal] |
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| 22:43.31 | sjansen | A cure for what? |
| 22:44.40 | herlo | IE |
| 22:46.22 | brasto | k guys, i just got 2 SATA drives - 320 giggers each (298 'real' gigs each) |
| 22:46.36 | brasto | I'm moving my Opensuse install there |
| 22:47.29 | brasto | if i want to make partitions for /var /home and /srv so i don't lose info when reformatting the root partition, what kind of space needs might i have for each partition? |
| 22:47.40 | brasto | ~nudge herlo |
| 22:47.41 | ibot | ACTION elbows herlo until he gets herlo's attention |
| 22:48.20 | herlo | brasto: uh...depends? |
| 22:49.02 | brasto | right, that's what i thought would be the initial answer... if i expect a lot of logging, i need a big /var, right? |
| 22:49.14 | herlo | yes |
| 22:49.30 | elg | i sure hope you don't hope to fill 320G with logs |
| 22:49.40 | brasto | but if i don't log much, but my database is in /var, i might still need a big /var... |
| 22:49.43 | tensai | brasto: use lvm. then you can change your mind easily. |
| 22:49.53 | brasto | right - i don't plan on gigs of logs... |
| 22:49.53 | herlo | sdf |
| 22:50.00 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.08 | brasto | lvm, i'm playing with that right now in YaST |
| 22:50.33 | herlo | brasto: lvm is the way to go, makes it easy to add and remove space from a filesystem |
| 22:50.42 | brasto | right, herlo, that's the one thing i don't like about OpenSuse - it has a /srv folder just for Apache's web stuff |
| 22:51.03 | herlo | brasto: that complies with the LSB |
| 22:51.13 | brasto | k, do i need to create partitions on the drives and format them first, then lvm them? I'm not sure... |
| 22:51.14 | herlo | actually, the FHS |
| 22:51.26 | brasto | ~FHS |
| 22:51.26 | ibot | hmm... fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 22:51.29 | herlo | no, you make the partitions of lvm type |
| 22:51.37 | brasto | cool |
| 22:51.43 | brasto | ok |
| 22:51.43 | herlo | then partition them |
| 22:51.48 | brasto | i'll try that now... |
| 22:51.50 | herlo | using a volumegroup |
| 22:51.59 | herlo | and it makes logical volumes |
| 22:52.04 | herlo | which you then put a filesystem on |
| 22:52.12 | tensai | brasto: create a single partition with an lvm type (8e, I think) |
| 22:52.22 | herlo | tensai: yuck |
| 22:52.38 | tensai | herlo: yuck? what's yuck? |
| 22:52.44 | brasto | physical extent size - leave at 4M? |
| 22:52.46 | herlo | tensai: why only one lvm part |
| 22:52.54 | herlo | brasto: yeah, that'll be fine |
| 22:53.11 | brasto | is it the most efficient? |
| 22:53.12 | tensai | brasto: if you're creating a PV larger than 500G you need a bigger PE size |
| 22:53.32 | brasto | ~pv |
| 22:53.38 | brasto | ~dict pv |
| 22:53.39 | herlo | tensai: I get that you can only have one, but I like to separate out the os from the data and two lvm parts makes it better |
| 22:54.03 | tensai | brasto: PE size really only matters if you're using snapshots. the smaller the PE, the more effecient the snapshot will be. |
| 22:54.06 | herlo | brasto: its essentially the physical partition with the mbr setup to use LVM |
| 22:54.17 | herlo | er not the mbr, but the superblock |
| 22:54.29 | tensai | herlo: I prefer putting / on a non-lvm partition and then stick the rest in a single lvm partition |
| 22:55.14 | brasto | 'use old lvm1 compatible metadata format'? |
| 22:55.20 | herlo | tensai: but then you really have a hard time resizing / and you also know that swap can go on the lvm. so why not have / /var /boot and swap on one lvm and the rest /data /storage or whatever on another |
| 22:55.21 | brasto | i'm guessing no on that... |
| 22:55.24 | herlo | brasto: no |
| 22:56.02 | herlo | tensai: I realize we just have differing opinions and my guess is that both are good... |
| 22:57.41 | tensai | herlo: yeah. I'm not saying you're wrong. I like to have / and /boot non-lvm just for ease of recovery. beyond that I want to be able to share space between all the LVs, so I use a single VG. |
| 22:57.52 | tensai | generally. I've done some of them different based on needs. |
| 22:57.59 | brasto | k, so i put /dev/sda and /dev/sdb in the 'system' volume group |
| 22:58.08 | brasto | those are the sata drives |
| 22:58.17 | herlo | tensai: cool |
| 22:59.05 | Supaplex | I backup /boot to tftp for recovery |
| 22:59.26 | elg | mrpull: you realize $AVERAGE_FORUM_USER wouldn't have a clue what they meant |
| 22:59.48 | brasto | say, is the swap partition any better at the end of the drive or at the beginning? |
| 23:00.04 | mrpull | elg: yes, but I can dream |
| 23:00.05 | elg | you guess right |
| 23:00.13 | tensai | brasto: swap is better if it's never used :) |
| 23:00.41 | mrpull | a couple forums that I've followed lately clump EVERY post into a single thread of communication. |
| 23:00.54 | Supaplex | euuu |
| 23:02.32 | mrpull | this avsforum is 10+ years old... don't know why they didn't start off more usenet-like |
| 23:02.54 | brasto | right, tensai, but i only have 512 meg ram right now |
| 23:03.05 | brasto | so i'm thinking ill have to have some swap |
| 23:06.03 | tensai | brasto: it's always good to have swap just in case. the out-of-memory killer can be brutal. |
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| 23:13.16 | fozzmoo | http://www.mcmorran.org/pages.php?page_id=15 |
| 23:13.19 | brac | [::mcmorran.org:: Star Wars toys that never made it] |
| 23:14.22 | mrpull | fozzmoo: did you see the unintentional starwars toy look-a-likes? |
| 23:14.44 | fozzmoo | no. |
| 23:14.54 | mrpull | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/02/the_10_star_wars_toys_that_look_like_celebrities.php#more |
| 23:14.55 | brac | [Topless Robot - The 10 Star Wars Toys that Unintentionally Look Like Other Celebrities] |
| 23:17.04 | vontrapp | what's the url encoding for '+'? |
| 23:17.34 | mrpull | %2B |
| 23:17.35 | mrpull | ? |
| 23:17.46 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/topics/urlencoding.htm |
| 23:17.47 | brac | [URL Encoding] |
| 23:17.55 | rsimpkins | and it does look to be 2B |
| 23:22.55 | vontrapp | thx |
| 23:30.23 | brasto | is there ever a reason to mount your swap partition? |
| 23:30.39 | tensai | brasto: no |
| 23:31.08 | tensai | it still shows up in the fstab though |
| 23:31.22 | brasto | interesting |
| 23:31.52 | brasto | i never really thought about mounting a swap partition 'til just then |
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| 23:35.37 | brasto | so herlo, as per our earlier conversation, i can copy files from anywhere even if they are in use? I'm referring to copying the files from one location to another and changing the mount points no i boot to another drive next boot up. |
| 23:43.45 | elg | brasto: go ahead and copy them, but then boot into single-user mode and use rsync to make sure everything's in order |
| 23:43.53 | rsimpkins | brasto: I would mount the old partition read-only, copy, unmount, mount new partition. |
| 23:44.19 | rsimpkins | brasto: To limit downtime you can use rsync. do an rsync live, the go read-only, rsync again (which will go much faster), then proceed. |
| 23:44.35 | rsimpkins | or do what elg said. :) |
| 23:44.43 | rsimpkins | If you have tons of data, one rsync might not be enough. |
| 23:45.05 | brasto | how do i make the mount read only? |
| 23:45.40 | rsimpkins | brasto: Usually you can do mount -o remount,ro /some/mnt/point |
| 23:46.55 | brasto | ah, so it's all in one line |
| 23:47.03 | rsimpkins | brasto: How often is this data being updated? |
| 23:47.11 | brasto | elg, i don't recall how to boot to single user mode |
| 23:47.19 | brasto | not super often |
| 23:47.37 | brasto | it's just a home pc right now, though i've had it on the web before. |
| 23:47.39 | rsimpkins | brasto: Yeah, you're fine. You don't need to go single user unless things will break if it goes ro for a little bit. |
| 23:47.48 | rsimpkins | Oh yea, for home - you're fine. |
| 23:48.07 | brasto | here's the problem i forsee... |
| 23:49.17 | brasto | i change /etc/fstab with the new mount points after copying everything over, and i make that change with YaST... will it write to the new /etc/fstab, or the old one? if it's goes to the old one, i probably won't be able to boot up when i reboot... |
| 23:49.38 | rsimpkins | brasto: Are you moving / or something? |
| 23:49.52 | rsimpkins | Or the whole system? |
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| 23:50.17 | brasto | nope, my 64 bit opensuse machine was using old 9g and 13g hard drives |
| 23:50.28 | brasto | i just installed 2 320gig sata drives |
| 23:50.39 | brasto | so i want to move it all over to the new drives and take out the old ones |
| 23:51.00 | brasto | oh... wait.. i misunderstood your question rsimpkins |
| 23:51.01 | brasto | yes |
| 23:51.05 | brasto | i'm moving / |
| 23:51.07 | rsimpkins | yeah, that's a bit harder. :) |
| 23:51.15 | rsimpkins | Cause you'll have to update your boot loader as well. |
| 23:51.25 | rsimpkins | And your devices will almost certainly change. |
| 23:51.35 | beandog | and your WGA will freak out. |
| 23:51.39 | brasto | i /could/ just reinstall, but i want to do things the hard way... cuz I'm a geek... |
| 23:51.41 | rsimpkins | lol :) |
| 23:51.44 | beandog | you'll have to reregister with Microsoft. :) |
| 23:51.59 | beandog | just do a little rsync and youll be golden |
| 23:52.04 | beandog | rsync -a /old /new |
| 23:52.07 | rsimpkins | brasto: I like things clean, so I always keep data|system seperate. |
| 23:52.23 | brasto | yep, i'm doing that now |
| 23:52.23 | rsimpkins | brasto: You'll not get by with JUST an rsync. |
| 23:52.46 | brasto | before i only had 3 partitions root, swap, and home |
| 23:52.49 | rsimpkins | brasto: Is your fstab mounting using labels/uuids, or device names? |
| 23:53.01 | brasto | now i'll have root, swap, home, var, and srv |
| 23:53.25 | rsimpkins | Why not a /boot partition? |
| 23:53.35 | beandog | waste of time. |
| 23:53.35 | tensai | rsimpkins: /boot is for sissies |
| 23:53.40 | rsimpkins | In my opinion having a /boot partition is really best practice. :) |
| 23:53.45 | beandog | tensai, hear hear |
| 23:54.09 | rsimpkins | Yeah, sissies - sorry. Yeah. Kick me right down there. I'll show ya I'm a man! :) |
| 23:54.19 | rsimpkins | ro shambo for the /boot |
| 23:54.27 | beandog | thats how you prove your manliness? by letting people kick you? |
| 23:54.29 | beandog | :) |
| 23:54.41 | beandog | that one might backfire |
| 23:55.18 | tensai | to be serious, I don't care much one way or the other for /boot |
| 23:55.26 | rsimpkins | Why not? |
| 23:55.37 | tensai | what has it done for me lately? |
| 23:55.50 | rsimpkins | It keeps things like file system corruption on / wreaking having with your system. |
| 23:55.52 | beandog | well, if your system is foobed, having your kernel isn't really gonna help much anyway. |
| 23:55.53 | tensai | it was necessary back with the 1024 cylinders limit |
| 23:56.06 | tensai | /boot without / is pretty much useless |
| 23:56.07 | beandog | especially if its stock |
| 23:56.08 | rsimpkins | There are very good reasons to partition stuff up. |
| 23:56.22 | brasto | looks like the 2 physical drives are by id, rsimpkins, and the lvm'ed partitions are (on my new SATA drives) by /dev/<volumegroup> |
| 23:56.29 | rsimpkins | I almost always do a /boot, /var, /home, and /. |
| 23:56.59 | brasto | rsimpkins: i thought /boot was just the kernel which get's restored anyway when you upgrade... |
| 23:57.03 | rsimpkins | brasto: K, you'll have to update the fstab with the devices from lvm. |
| 23:57.52 | rsimpkins | brasto: I'm lost on that one. |
| 23:58.02 | brasto | if i do a /boot partition, it needs to be how big? |
| 23:58.20 | rsimpkins | Mine is 500M |
| 23:58.23 | tensai | brasto: big enough but not too big |
| 23:58.39 | beandog | heh, thats another reason, you usually end up wasting space |
| 23:58.45 | beandog | depends on whaty our distro is doing with it |
| 23:58.54 | beandog | I'd say 24 megs is an extremely large amount. |
| 23:58.55 | rsimpkins | 500M out of how many hundreds of gig? |
| 23:59.13 | beandog | You only need around ~5 or so, ideally. |
| 23:59.15 | brasto | my /boot is 11 megs... |
| 23:59.24 | rsimpkins | I am using 100M in /boot. |
| 23:59.41 | tensai | I had some sun servers which needed a /boot because / was using software raid-1 and silo couldn't grok it |
| 23:59.43 | beandog | well, no 12 would probably be good. |
| 23:59.54 | beandog | anyway, whatever. |
