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| 00:42.07 | elg | ~onjoin fozzmoo ☺ |
| 00:42.08 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 00:42.30 | elg | anyone want to proof a test for my poor C students? |
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| 00:52.16 | levi | Sure. |
| 01:02.02 | elg | hans.fugal.net/tmp/exam1.pdf |
| 01:02.04 | elg | bbiab |
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| 01:41.25 | levi | elg: So, the exam looks pretty good, but I worry about the first couple of questions. |
| 01:41.45 | elg | in what way? |
| 01:43.11 | levi | Well, the answer you have for 1 is correct, but leaves out the price per unit of storage argument that underlies the whole memory hierarchy. |
| 01:43.52 | elg | ok, I'll add a note to the key about cost |
| 01:45.34 | elg | those questions aren't "you get my answers or you're wrong" questions. If they demonstrate that they understand and think about the topic then they get points |
| 01:45.49 | sontek | I like Steve |
| 01:45.51 | levi | And I just hate 'is X or Y faster?' questions on principle, especially when they're that vague. |
| 01:46.51 | elg | levi: well, the point is that there's no clean cut answer, but I'm open to better ways to get that point across |
| 01:48.23 | levi | I'd probably phrase the question like, "In what conditions might George's computer be faster, if any? In what conditions might Fred's be faster?" |
| 01:49.37 | levi | Anyway, it looks good overall. I've got to head home. |
| 01:57.27 | sjansen | So did you find a C book that doesn't suck? |
| 01:57.42 | elg | no |
| 01:58.20 | elg | i decided to go with the flow this time. the bookstore already had the dietel and dietel book ordered (and I didn't have time to change it) |
| 01:58.36 | elg | that's the book everyone else uses when they teach it. it's not as bad as I thought it was |
| 01:58.47 | elg | but it's a ridiculous waste of money |
| 01:58.52 | herlo | dietel and dietel is reasonable |
| 01:59.06 | elg | more than half the book is about C++ and Java |
| 01:59.07 | elg | so much for C |
| 02:17.12 | nick125 | AMD or Intel (for web serving and video encoding, cost is a lower priority than performance)? |
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| 02:21.50 | levi | sjansen: Why didn't he just use K&R? |
| 02:24.50 | sargun_screen | depends nick |
| 02:25.00 | nick125 | sargun_screen: On what? |
| 02:25.03 | sargun_screen | what encoding |
| 02:25.08 | sargun_screen | etc |
| 02:25.10 | nick125 | ogg theora |
| 02:25.15 | nick125 | 1080i resolution |
| 02:25.27 | sargun_screen | optimized for the cpu? |
| 02:25.34 | sargun_screen | or unriced? |
| 02:25.43 | nick125 | It'll probably be riced (least the encoders) |
| 02:26.10 | nick125 | sargun_screen: This is that one project...you know, the one where I have to pull a lot out of nothing. |
| 02:27.04 | sargun_screen | uhhh |
| 02:27.13 | sargun_screen | you mean all of yojr projects |
| 02:27.31 | nick125 | sargun_screen: the a/v studio + wireless distribution network |
| 02:27.47 | sargun_screen | ohhhhh |
| 02:27.55 | sargun_screen | buy a 486 |
| 02:27.58 | nick125 | haha |
| 02:28.38 | sargun_screen | bgye |
| 02:33.38 | nick125 | sargun_screen: I got a story for you if you got some time |
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| 02:48.16 | nick125 | sargun_screen: Want to hear it? |
| 02:55.19 | lakshmi | anyone here good in english? |
| 03:01.05 | levi | lakshmi: Do you have a question? |
| 03:08.29 | goozbach | ~seen redbeard2 |
| 03:08.31 | ibot | redbeard2 <n=redbeard@nat/redhat/x-424275f7a486ba53> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu-us-ut, 3d 8h 44m 58s ago, saying: 'herlo: my ears are burning. what are you saying about me?'. |
| 03:25.24 | Supaplex | *hiccup* |
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| 04:10.09 | sargun_screen | heya |
| 04:11.00 | sargun_screen | meh. |
| 04:11.04 | sargun_screen | lakshmi |
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| 04:11.49 | sargun_screen | hi fozmoo |
| 04:11.56 | vontrapp | ~onjoin elg |
| 04:12.00 | sargun_screen | how was work? |
| 04:12.23 | vontrapp | ~onjoin elg ✈ |
| 04:12.23 | ibot | vontrapp: ok |
| 04:13.16 | sargun_screen | for i in echo *; do ~onjoin $i ?;done |
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| 04:18.24 | vontrapp | seq 100 | while read i; do ~lart sargun; done |
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| 04:23.29 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: whatsamatta? you a scared of the tiki man? |
| 04:23.59 | fozzmoo | ? |
| 04:24.05 | fozzmoo | I'm just setting up irssi. |
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| 04:28.24 | fozzmoo | Wheeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 04:28.56 | herlo | weeeeoooo! crap! |
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| 04:41.03 | lakshmi | sargun_screen |
| 04:43.19 | vontrapp | how do you redirect both stdout and stderr? |
| 04:45.14 | Supaplex | 1>stdout.txt 2>stderr.txt |
| 04:45.39 | tensai | foo &>/stdout-and-stderr.txt |
| 04:45.39 | vontrapp | what about to the same file? isn't there a shortcut? |
| 04:45.52 | Supaplex | &>allfds.txt |
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| 05:08.16 | Supaplex | http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1494 if you haven't upgraded, here's some food for thought. working concept code is public |
| 05:08.20 | brac | [Debian -- Security Information -- DSA-1494-1 linux-2.6] |
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| 05:20.04 | elg | zoooom |
| 05:21.46 | bonez44 | mazda? |
| 05:33.44 | elg | ahha, i think using dtterm is working |
| 05:34.20 | elg | whatever dtterm is, aptitude looks right, mutt doesn't have redraw issues, and all seems right |
| 05:36.08 | sjansen | http://www.xn--qei.com/ |
| 05:36.42 | sjansen | dtterm? I seem to remember using that in Solaris as part of CDE. |
| 05:40.40 | elg | yeah, that's probably why I never tried it |
| 05:40.56 | elg | unconscious denial of my ol' hpux days |
| 05:41.20 | elg | sjansen: that's a domain squatter |
| 05:41.25 | elg | or is that your domain squatting? |
| 05:42.41 | findlay | how long can you squat on a domain before your quads give out? |
| 05:42.54 | findlay | professional squatters must have huge quads |
| 05:43.17 | levi | Heh. |
| 05:43.29 | levi | My quads ached so bad after snowmobiling. |
| 05:43.45 | findlay | levi: did your local language group ever go anywhere? |
| 05:43.58 | levi | findlay: No, I ran out of time to work on it. :( |
| 05:44.08 | levi | findlay: It's still on my back burner, though. |
| 05:44.35 | findlay | I'm, of course, interested in the general idea, I'm just not committed^Worganized enough to stay on top of things like that |
| 05:44.47 | levi | Maybe if my next semester's classes are less demanding I'll be able to work on it a bit. |
| 05:45.20 | bonez44 | elg: so when do you don the mortar board? or did I miss that milestone for you already? |
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| 05:47.34 | elg | still a ways off |
| 05:47.46 | bonez44 | hows' the brick oven? |
| 05:48.13 | elg | haven't been using it much during the winter |
| 05:48.16 | elg | when it's not chilly, it's windy |
| 05:48.26 | elg | night |
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| 06:03.12 | tripzero | ~django |
| 06:03.27 | tripzero | django > php |
| 06:03.34 | tripzero | c++ rules them all |
| 06:03.38 | tripzero | :p |
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| 06:07.13 | sjansen | C++ rules a hoard of mindless zombies, their brains pureed by the obscene complexity of the language. |
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| 06:20.15 | Sargun | uh, perl is decent |
| 06:27.30 | Supaplex | only that good huh? ;) |
| 06:42.53 | levi | G'night. |
| 06:44.09 | Sargun | Supaplex, What do you mostly code in Perl? |
| 06:45.17 | Supaplex | sysadmin scripts, anything that talks with a database, web stuff (server, client, screenscraping), misc, and one liner hack jobs. |
| 06:45.30 | Sargun | Uh, perl is good for quick jobs |
| 06:45.49 | Sargun | Perl isn't good for ugly, complex things |
| 06:50.11 | findlay | ls |
| 06:50.52 | findlay | ~migs Sargun |
| 06:50.53 | ibot | ACTION forces Sargun to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 06:51.15 | Sargun | ouch |
| 06:51.20 | findlay | hahaha |
| 06:51.30 | findlay | ~c++ |
| 06:51.35 | findlay | ~c+++ |
| 06:51.47 | Sargun | ibot, c++ is a terrible language |
| 06:51.47 | ibot | ...but c++ is already something else... |
| 06:51.52 | Sargun | ibot, what is c++ |
| 06:51.53 | ibot | ACTION is c++ to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 06:52.04 | Sargun | ibot, no, c++ is a terrible language |
| 06:52.05 | ibot | okay, Sargun |
| 06:52.08 | Sargun | ~c++ |
| 06:53.48 | findlay | ibot: c++ is also rules a hoard of mindless zombies, their brains pureed by the obscene complexity of the language. |
| 06:53.48 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 06:54.10 | findlay | ~literal c++ |
| 06:54.10 | ibot | "c++" is "a terrible language, or rules a hoard of mindless zombies, their brains pureed by the obscene complexity of the language." |
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| 07:04.00 | bonez44 | if I can ping an address..such as zugraum.com...but I can't ssh to it... |
| 07:04.16 | bonez44 | how would I figure out why I can't ssh to zugraum? |
| 07:04.29 | Sargun | can you ssh to xbmodder.us |
| 07:05.17 | Tene | ssh to different host, ssh from different host to that one |
| 07:05.51 | bonez44 | yes......but since I have no password at xbmodder.us that's as far as I can go |
| 07:06.03 | bonez44 | here's what I am trying..I ssh to my office...at fyrenice.com and connect.... |
| 07:06.47 | bonez44 | and then once there, ssh back here to my home machine...running COPSSH .. and despite the domain being pointed correctly and despite ping returning seemingly valid responses..i can't ssh to zugraum.com |
| 07:07.59 | bonez44 | this machine I am on now...is running XP pro.. |
| 07:08.19 | bonez44 | and COPSSH is supposed to allow me to ssh out and back in too..I thought |
| 07:08.41 | bonez44 | I just installed debian etch on it tonight...maybe I'll reboot into etch..and see if that works then |
| 07:08.44 | Sargun | bonez44, is zugram's FW just screwed up |
| 07:08.55 | bonez44 | FW? |
| 07:09.42 | bonez44 | likely, since it won't connect... |
| 07:09.58 | Sargun | well, call up the owner of zugram |
| 07:11.52 | bonez44 | I am the owner..of zugraum.com..it's MY DOMAIN... |
| 07:11.59 | bonez44 | oh, fw..firewall |
| 07:12.00 | bonez44 | ok |
| 07:12.10 | Sargun | oh, well, pay someone to admin it |
| 07:12.33 | bonez44 | sorry to have asked... |
| 07:13.00 | Sargun | Er, I was joking... |
| 07:20.33 | sjansen | Perl is fine for ugly, complex things. In fact, I'd argue that with a little discipline it is great. |
| 07:22.29 | sjansen | use strict, use warnings, perltidy, Perl::Critic, Test::More, Test::Pod::Coverage, Moose, DBIx::Class and more are beautiful and will make large projects more enjoyable |
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| 14:45.47 | ibot | gnaws on ^Migs^'s ears mmmm carrots, my flavorate NOM NOM NOM |
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| 15:03.40 | goozbach | pineapple! |
| 15:03.57 | goozbach | redbeard2: I found an interesting cookie. |
| 15:04.26 | goozbach | http://neverbashfulwithbutter.blogspot.com/2007/12/experiments-in-deliciousness-bacon.html |
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| 16:16.31 | findlay | what's ✈? |
| 16:19.12 | Sargun | what's not? |
| 16:20.15 | tristanbob_ | what's hot? |
| 16:20.30 | tristanbob_ | what snot? |
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| 16:24.42 | tensai | hot ≠ snot |
| 16:27.02 | tristanbob_ | agreed |
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| 16:31.29 | findlay | O |
| 16:31.43 | findlay | oh, it's a smiley |
| 16:31.54 | findlay | I can hardly see it |
| 16:32.24 | fozzmoo | Yeah, it doesn't look so good in a terminal. |
| 16:32.26 | findlay | who put ✈ in unicode anyway? |
| 16:32.28 | fozzmoo | But it looks nice in pidgin |
| 16:32.34 | findlay | oh sure |
| 16:32.49 | dmdavis | it looks fine in my terminal |
| 16:33.04 | fozzmoo | So, I'm installing Oracle on a Windows box in Atlanta this morning. |
| 16:33.17 | findlay | mine's got the tiny font |
| 16:33.33 | fozzmoo | I had the client download the 4GB of Zip files we need. |
| 16:33.37 | findlay | jsmith: what's that desktop DB app called again? |
| 16:33.42 | fozzmoo | Half of which appear to be corrupt. |
| 16:33.45 | tristanbob_ | findlay, hard to see with a 7 inch EEE PC screen? |
| 16:33.45 | findlay | with the wiered name? |
| 16:34.20 | findlay | tristanbob_: no, I'm at work on an ancient computer, vintage ~99 |
| 16:34.34 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. 99. That was a good year. |
| 16:34.42 | findlay | 'twas |
| 16:34.50 | tristanbob_ | your computer is partying like it was 1999 |
| 16:34.57 | findlay | sure is! |
| 16:35.28 | jsmith | findlay: Which one? Glom? |
| 16:35.47 | fozzmoo | What's Glom? |
| 16:35.48 | findlay | jsmith: that's it |
| 16:35.59 | findlay | jsmith: is ther more than one with a wiered name? |
| 16:36.08 | fozzmoo | "I'm not gonna put Glom on my computer! Are you crazy?!" |
| 16:36.41 | findlay | or are the rest nominated by less peculiar apparitions? |
| 16:38.23 | fozzmoo | heh heh: http://www.glom.org/screenshots/glom_data_list.png |
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| 16:40.01 | fozzmoo | Too bad there's no glom for Windows |
| 16:40.10 | fozzmoo | Looks like it could be a nice cross-platform app |
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| 16:41.37 | Keighvin | ~unlart Jayce^ |
| 16:41.38 | ibot | ACTION whallops keighvin for thinking of the idea |
| 16:43.34 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I thought it had been ported to Windows |
| 16:43.35 | fozzmoo | Keighvin: ?? |
| 16:43.45 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Their download page only has Linux ports. |
| 16:44.44 | jsmith | fozzmoo: http://arbur.net/serendipity/archives/36-Glom-Windows-Installer.html |
| 16:44.58 | findlay | fozzmoo: google, man: http://arbur.net/serendipity/archives/36-Glom-Windows-Installer.html |
| 16:45.04 | fozzmoo | Sweeeeeet |
| 16:45.06 | Keighvin | fozzmoo: I very nearly always lart Jayce^ when I come in. |
| 16:45.18 | Keighvin | someone beat me to it today, and in a way I thought was a little harsh. |
| 16:45.22 | fozzmoo | Keighvin: But Northsky going south? |
| 16:45.25 | Keighvin | So I'm being a little nicer. |
| 16:45.38 | Keighvin | Oh, that - United Online is going to be closing out their Utah office. |
| 16:45.40 | findlay | Keighvin: is that an allusion to the novel by Elizabeth Gaskill? |
| 16:45.48 | fozzmoo | Keighvin: ?!?!?! |
| 16:46.01 | Keighvin | Northsky is the original hosting company which was bought by About and then by United Online. |
| 16:46.08 | fozzmoo | Did I miss something?! |
| 16:46.11 | Keighvin | And can still be used as an unofficial nick-name for that group. |
| 16:46.19 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I know. I used to work there. |
| 16:46.21 | Keighvin | Probably not, the news isn't very old. |
| 16:46.26 | Keighvin | ~10 minutes or so. |
| 16:46.38 | fozzmoo | O. M. G. |
| 16:47.13 | fozzmoo | That's... crummy. |
| 16:47.19 | Keighvin | *nods* |
| 16:47.30 | tensai | fozzmoo: "oh my glom"? |
| 16:47.33 | *** topic/#utah by findlay -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | north goes south |
| 16:47.36 | Keighvin | Was fun while it lasted, and they hung onto these guys for almost a year after the last batch of layoffs. |
| 16:47.42 | fozzmoo | tensai: You got it man. |
| 16:47.44 | Keighvin | Heh. |
| 16:47.49 | findlay | nice |
| 16:48.12 | fozzmoo | Keighvin: How soon? |
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| 16:49.23 | fozzmoo | Is United Online shutting down the freeservers properties and stuff too? |
| 16:53.07 | Keighvin | Don't know all the details yet - redbeard2 might have a little more info than I do at the moment. |
| 16:53.19 | Keighvin | And if Jayce^ would come fill us in we could hear the rest. |
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| 16:53.52 | Keighvin | Apparently they'll be keeping a skeleton crew on for a little while to assist with the clean shutdown, after which a select few may be offered positions in LA. |
| 16:54.05 | Keighvin | ping Jayce^ |
| 16:54.33 | fozzmoo | I just sent him a text message laced with profanity. |
| 16:55.21 | Keighvin | s'all hear-say for now. |
| 16:55.51 | Keighvin | Pending confirmation of details by Jayce^, who I might just un-unlart if he doesn't come back and give hard facts. |
| 16:56.07 | tensai | fozzmoo: that's the best kind |
| 16:56.27 | Keighvin | Should wait until Valentines - apparently that's the heaviest holiday for texting. |
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| 16:57.57 | Keighvin | I guess I'm getting old. |
| 16:58.03 | herlo | yup |
| 17:02.05 | goozbach | chocolate milk is the shiz-nit! |
| 17:04.10 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yeeeessssss! |
| 17:04.29 | fozzmoo | I think that's my favorite line from The Matrix |
| 17:04.29 | fozzmoo | Not the chocolate milk line. |
| 17:04.30 | goozbach | juice boxes are the shiz-nit as well |
| 17:04.34 | fozzmoo | The "Yeeessssss!" line. |
| 17:05.11 | dmdavis | hmm, I think that the PLUG just offered me 73% off viagra |
| 17:05.19 | herlo | fozzmoo: I think you are thinking of "Napoleon Dynamite" |
| 17:05.29 | herlo | dmdavis: they're kind like that |
| 17:05.49 | dmdavis | I just didn't realize that my need was so obvious. I'm a little embarassed. |
| 17:05.56 | goozbach | herlo: nope, it's when dozer/tank is watching neo from the console |
| 17:06.08 | herlo | hehe, I know |
| 17:06.31 | herlo | dmdavis: just don't tell your sig0 |
| 17:07.05 | dmdavis | herlo: believe me, when I am "a hero in bed", she'll notice |
| 17:07.29 | dmdavis | or, so I'm told |
| 17:09.02 | herlo | dmdavis: hehe |
| 17:12.03 | goozbach | chocolate milk, in a juice box = double awesome2Q |
| 17:12.35 | fozzmoo | herlo: It's funny you mention that... I watched some Napoleon last night. |
| 17:12.37 | herlo | goozbach: choco juice, 4xAwful |
| 17:12.40 | fozzmoo | But no, I'm talking aout The Matrix. |
| 17:12.41 | herlo | fozzmoo: hehe |
| 17:12.46 | findlay | w |
| 17:12.47 | herlo | fozzmoo: I knwo |
| 17:12.57 | findlay | that has to be my favorite command |
| 17:13.13 | findlay | so much fun info for so little typing |
| 17:13.22 | herlo | findlay: w | wc -l |
| 17:13.24 | findlay | I should alias all my favorite commands to single letters |
| 17:13.32 | herlo | x |
| 17:13.53 | fozzmoo | Neo sees the agents coming out of the elevator (toward the beginning of the movie) while he's on the phone with Morpheus (using the phone that was FedEx'd to him). He says, "Oh sh*t!" and Morpheus responds saying nothing except "Yeeeessssss." |
| 17:14.00 | herlo | alias l='ls -l --color=tty | grep ^d' |
| 17:14.53 | herlo | fozzmoo: yes, i realize |
| 17:17.21 | findlay | alias h='herlo --witticism=maybe' |
| 17:17.33 | herlo | findlay: is witticism a word? |
| 17:17.52 | findlay | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/witticism |
| 17:17.56 | herlo | alias f='findlay --wit=no' |
| 17:18.10 | findlay | heh |
| 17:19.07 | fozzmoo | "You just can't handle wiiticism!" |
| 17:19.33 | fozzmoo | (Oh wait, wiiticism is something different than witticism.) |
| 17:19.50 | fozzmoo | Might have something to do with that new fandangled gaming console. |
| 17:26.06 | herlo | probably |
| 17:26.43 | herlo | witticism is *not* a word. That's *so* made up |
| 17:27.53 | findlay | ~makeup |
| 17:28.02 | findlay | ~makeup words |
| 17:28.21 | elg | anyone know of an online color blindness test for toddlers? |
| 17:28.22 | fozzmoo | herlo: Wikipedia says you're WRONG! |
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| 17:43.58 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 17:44.16 | goozbach | interesting cell phone idea: http://www.modumobile.com/ |
| 17:44.19 | brac | [modu - make new connections] |
| 17:51.04 | findlay | what's the command to list database users or roles, whatever? |
| 17:51.38 | elg | anyone know how to use recode? |
| 17:51.58 | tensai | elg: rm -f $(which recode) |
| 17:52.13 | elg | looks like my recode on my laptop is broken |
| 17:52.16 | elg | works on my linux box |
| 17:52.21 | elg | stupid program anyway |
| 17:52.40 | findlay | ~recode elg |
| 17:52.42 | elg | why can't enscript just handle utf-8? or a2ps? or someone write something that WILL |
| 17:53.21 | findlay | man, how can people stand to listen to hours of radio advertisements every day? |
| 17:54.35 | fozzmoo | findlay: It's not a whole lot different from listening to the same left-wing sponsored-by and would-not-be-possible-without crap you get on NPR. :) |
| 17:55.00 | findlay | fozzmoo: you're right, I hate that stuff too :) |
| 17:56.54 | tensai | fozzmoo: it surely is different. npr ads don't feature annoying songs repurposed by car salesmen. |
| 17:57.07 | findlay | heh |
| 17:57.12 | tensai | there was one in provo that was horrible. lowbook auto sales, I think |
| 17:57.29 | goozbach | tensai: or for "check your credit score" places |
| 17:57.35 | fozzmoo | tensai: No, but they're so ... smug. |
| 17:57.36 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.40 | goozbach | I mean... |
| 17:57.50 | tensai | radio stinks. npr stinks less than that, but still. |
| 17:57.53 | goozbach | I didn't say that out loud, did it? |
| 17:57.53 | fozzmoo | goozbach: radio pays your paycheck, right? |
| 17:58.01 | rsimpkins | Wow, I have 311M of IRC logs. I think I need to rotate. :) |
| 17:58.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: not directly |
| 17:58.19 | goozbach | radio station website advertising pays my paycheck |
| 17:58.29 | fozzmoo | Oh man! |
| 17:58.32 | goozbach | but it wouldn't exist if it werent for the station themselfs |
| 17:58.37 | fozzmoo | Have you been a radio station website?! |
| 17:58.41 | fozzmoo | My heck! |
| 17:58.49 | *** join/#utah jottley (n=jottley@c-24-2-76-124.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:58.50 | fozzmoo | That's worse than actually listening to the station! |
| 17:58.52 | findlay | rsimpkins: I bzip my irc logs |
| 17:59.00 | findlay | rotate them daily |
| 17:59.09 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.09 | findlay | easy with irssi |
| 17:59.37 | rsimpkins | goozbach: You work in radio? |
| 17:59.45 | goozbach | fozzmoo: our sites aren't too bad |
| 17:59.52 | goozbach | they actually have "CONTENT"! |
| 17:59.57 | goozbach | rsimpkins: yup |
| 18:00.04 | goozbach | Cox Radio Interactive |
| 18:00.06 | fozzmoo | http://www.kloradio.com/ |
| 18:00.08 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I worked for Simmons for a while. |
| 18:00.10 | brac | [1430 AM KLO Radio] |
| 18:00.11 | fozzmoo | good example. |
| 18:00.48 | rsimpkins | http://www.simmonsmedia.com |
| 18:00.49 | brac | [Simmons Media Group] |
| 18:00.58 | goozbach | I think I just vomited into my mouth a little bit |
| 18:01.02 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 18:01.17 | rsimpkins | goozbach: Yeah, they are evil. But I was young and didn't know any better. |
| 18:01.39 | goozbach | I'm proud to say we're the trendsetters, and the best radio sites out there. |
| 18:02.02 | goozbach | This group was the first to do "last songs played" on the website |
| 18:02.27 | sjansen | levi: You're wasting your time going head to head with Windley if you think he'll listen. |
| 18:02.29 | goozbach | and come April, we'll have a bunch of new features which are REALLY cool! |
| 18:02.31 | findlay | kbyu has their program up on their website |
| 18:02.36 | findlay | has for a long time |
| 18:02.42 | fozzmoo | http://www.knrs.com/main.html |
| 18:02.43 | brac | [570 KNRS | Family Values Talk Radio | Salt Lake City] |
| 18:02.45 | rsimpkins | I tried and tried to get simmons to do something, they just didn't care about that. They cared about making as much $$$ from as little work as possible. |
| 18:02.46 | goozbach | sjansen: shh... I want to see them butt heads |
| 18:03.01 | rsimpkins | And they are hartless. |
| 18:03.18 | findlay | no deer? |
| 18:03.19 | sjansen | levi: If you're intereted, though, I think I still have an enlarged newspaper clicking with him quoted saying "Okay, I'm an idiot." |
| 18:03.26 | findlay | I saw deer last week |
| 18:07.58 | vontrapp | i saw moose today |
| 18:08.21 | elg | i saw a hedgehog once |
| 18:08.34 | vontrapp | there it is again |
| 18:12.59 | findlay | where? |
| 18:13.22 | findlay | ✈ |
| 18:20.52 | vontrapp | wth? why doesn't rhel adduser add users to groups in the normal fashion? |
| 18:22.14 | elg | why should it? the way redhat does it is the very definition of normal |
| 18:22.18 | sjansen | It's called User Private Groups and it's a Good Thing(tm). |
| 18:22.51 | goozbach | UPG++ it's the best! |
| 18:23.36 | sjansen | vontrapp: Not to be rude, but it pisses me off when people assume their own little world of experience is The One True Way. |
| 18:23.50 | elg | and it pisses me off when redhat users do the same |
| 18:23.55 | goozbach | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html |
| 18:24.26 | elg | still we don't know exactly what von's complaint is |
| 18:24.47 | elg | i may not be educated in the subleties of this upg thing, but it looks like the same way debian works |
| 18:25.15 | vontrapp | i don't mind that a user would have a private group, don't all distros do that anyway? |
| 18:25.23 | vontrapp | so what does UPG have to do with anything here? |
| 18:25.25 | sjansen | Sadly, no. |
| 18:25.33 | goozbach | elg: etch does |
| 18:25.40 | vontrapp | i want to adduser <user> <group> |
| 18:25.44 | vontrapp | put user in group |
| 18:25.53 | vontrapp | pretty simple, right? |
| 18:25.54 | goozbach | adduser, not useradd |
| 18:25.56 | sjansen | First, I'd recommend useradd over adduser. |
| 18:26.09 | goozbach | ahh |
| 18:26.12 | levi | sjansen: Heh. I'm not as concerned about him believing me as I am about his readers. |
| 18:26.20 | vontrapp | useradd doesn't work either |
| 18:26.37 | elg | see his gripe has nothing to do with upg |
| 18:26.38 | goozbach | useradd -u 23324 -g default_group -G bunch,of,other,groups username |
| 18:26.41 | levi | sjansen: I notice he completely failed to respond to my comparison of digital identity to typing. |
| 18:27.02 | vontrapp | geeze, i even have to know the uid |
| 18:27.07 | goozbach | vontrapp no |
| 18:27.13 | goozbach | you can omit the -u switch |
| 18:27.14 | elg | goozbach: i don't have the interest to prove you wrong, but I could swear older versions of debian also had per-user groups |
| 18:27.26 | elg | though I doubt they used the UPG buzzcronym |
| 18:27.30 | goozbach | elg: I'm saying at LEAST etch does |
| 18:27.36 | elg | ok cool |
| 18:27.36 | goozbach | I didn't say the older ones don't |
| 18:27.46 | elg | I think it's in there since quite some time |
| 18:27.53 | goozbach | I don't have an older debian to prove it right now |
| 18:27.55 | elg | glad redhat's coming around |
| 18:28.09 | findlay | hehe |
| 18:28.15 | lakshmi | question: whats the best way to clean a keyboard? |
| 18:28.21 | vontrapp | so, i can i just "add" a group or do i have to put in all the groups i want? |
| 18:28.24 | findlay | lakshmi: NaOH |
| 18:28.27 | elg | lakshmi: coke and sand |
| 18:28.30 | lakshmi | findlay what? |
| 18:28.36 | findlay | will clean right through your keyboard |
| 18:28.37 | goozbach | vontrapp: are you doing this as the same step of creating the users? |
| 18:28.42 | lakshmi | elg part of me thinks that wont work |
| 18:28.42 | findlay | and the desk below it |
| 18:28.48 | jsmith | elg: Coming around? That doc was from RH 7.3! |
| 18:28.48 | lakshmi | hehe |
| 18:28.52 | goozbach | or is this for currently existing users |
| 18:28.54 | elg | lakshmi: probably ought to listen to that part |
| 18:28.56 | vontrapp | goozbach: no |
| 18:29.08 | elg | jsmith: awesome, then why am I hearing all this hype over UPG in the past couple months? |
| 18:29.10 | vontrapp | goozbach: user already exists |
| 18:29.10 | elg | it's old hat |
| 18:29.16 | vontrapp | group already exists |
| 18:29.21 | sjansen | vontrapp: Whatever you do, stay away from usermod -G, use gpasswd -a instead. |
| 18:29.38 | goozbach | vontrapp: so you have a user, and you want to add him to a secondary group, or change his prmiary group? |
| 18:29.47 | vontrapp | add to a secondary group |
| 18:29.51 | sjansen | gpasswd -a |
| 18:29.53 | jsmith | elg: So you're saying that Red Hat is old hat? Just wanted to make sure I was hearing you right ;-) |
| 18:30.02 | goozbach | gpasswd -a, or groupmod |
| 18:30.08 | elg | jsmith: well, fedoras are quite an old design |
| 18:30.10 | goozbach | I'm a bigger fan of groupmod -G |
| 18:30.22 | elg | not as old as some, actually, but newer than say the baseball cap |
| 18:30.26 | sjansen | That works too. |
| 18:30.31 | findlay | yeah, no more whacky commands! |
| 18:30.33 | goozbach | groupmod -G all,secondary,groups username |
| 18:31.09 | elg | I gave up trying to remember which convenience programs for /etc/{passwd,group} worked and which completely hosed things beyond recognition. I just edit those files directly (with safety wrappers like vipw and vigr) |
| 18:31.09 | vontrapp | again, looks like you have to specify all groups, not just the one you want to add |
| 18:31.20 | sjansen | Which is why I like gpasswd -a |
| 18:31.31 | goozbach | that's where gpasswd -a works wonders |
| 18:31.53 | goozbach | gpasswd -a user group |
| 18:32.15 | elg | they're not rocket science and they're consistent across distros, unlike the whacky commands |
| 18:32.18 | vontrapp | why gpasswd? what does this operation have to do with passwd? |
| 18:32.32 | elg | just a wacky name for a wacky command |
| 18:32.41 | findlay | hehe |
| 18:32.59 | sjansen | gpasswd is for editing the gpasswd file, just like passwd is for editing the passwd file |
| 18:33.22 | vontrapp | except this add a group operation has nothing to do with the passwd file |
| 18:33.29 | sjansen | So why did they add the ability to edit secondary group membership? You got me. |
| 18:33.57 | vontrapp | and why do they not have it in the adduser command? |
| 18:34.14 | sjansen | Because they have a different version of useradd. |
| 18:35.01 | sjansen | Eons ago, as the earth's crust was still cooling, a RH engineer patched useradd to do UPG and now the world will explode if they use a different version. |
| 18:35.19 | vontrapp | aah, so that's what upg has to do with it |
| 18:35.30 | goozbach | it's all tied in |
| 18:35.49 | vontrapp | couldn't just make a group named after the user and have _that_ be the UPG |
| 18:36.01 | vontrapp | whatever |
| 18:36.15 | findlay | so did RH evolve out of a binary soup? |
| 18:36.17 | sjansen | ? |
| 18:36.32 | fozzmoo | (As vontrapp) If only RH could be more like Ron Paul! |
| 18:36.36 | sjansen | The groupname is based on the username. |
| 18:36.44 | vontrapp | haha fozzmoo |
| 18:37.31 | findlay | 'In the beginning there was soup and the soup was good ... if you like digital soup that is' |
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| 18:41.35 | vontrapp | so i suppose UPG is also why the user's "private" group isn't in the /etc/group file |
| 18:43.20 | sjansen | Sure it is. What are you doing to that poor box? |
| 18:43.30 | vontrapp | i had nothing to do with it |
| 18:43.34 | vontrapp | but it's not there |
| 18:44.21 | sjansen | Unless you've added additional groups, the GID should match the UID, starting at 500. |
| 18:45.07 | vontrapp | well, UIDs on this box appear to start at 32001 |
| 18:45.09 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@nat/redhat/x-09a46c036d6f8326) |
| 18:45.24 | sjansen | "useradd bob" shoudl result in creation of user bob with UID 50X and group bob with GID 50X. This is standard Unix, the user is in /etc/passwd, the group in /etc/group. |
| 18:45.41 | vontrapp | yep |
| 18:45.53 | vontrapp | but it's 3200X and there's no entry in /etc/group |
| 18:46.01 | sjansen | UIDs starting at 32001 is not standard RH behavior. Something has done something to that box. Perhaps copying from a legacy machine. |
| 18:46.05 | findlay | emcnabb: we have some patching for you to do |
| 18:46.15 | vontrapp | lovely |
| 18:46.22 | *** join/#utah undertakingyou (n=will@undertakingyou.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 18:46.28 | fozzmoo | Sounds like maybe they've got some web-based account management tool doing stuff. |
| 18:46.31 | emcnabb | findlay, ? |
| 18:46.33 | fozzmoo | webmin? |
| 18:46.52 | fozzmoo | Or... what was that one someone mentioned the other day... BlueQuartz or something like that. |
| 18:46.54 | vontrapp | -roulette |
| 18:46.55 | findlay | your task is to lift the molten underside of the RH crust and do something about this UPG thing, whatever it is |
| 18:46.55 | brac | vontrapp: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 18:47.17 | findlay | reminds me of a Dilbert strip |
| 18:47.39 | vontrapp | aah, dilbert |
| 18:48.05 | goozbach | speaking of dilbert, today's was quite funny |
| 18:48.35 | sjansen | ~virtualize goozbach |
| 18:48.48 | findlay | ~trivialize sjansen |
| 18:48.51 | vontrapp | ok, somehow me and the other guy that both came on about the same time, ended up with our UPG being "users" |
| 18:49.12 | vontrapp | "why is your part taking so long?" |
| 18:49.31 | sjansen | If you're both a member of the same group, that's not a private group. It might be a primary group, but it's not a private group. |
| 18:49.44 | *** join/#utah bonez44 (n=scott@75.144.9.237) |
| 18:49.56 | findlay | too many pg's |
| 18:50.05 | goozbach | vontrapp: not UPG |
| 18:50.09 | findlay | pasteruized grass |
| 18:50.12 | goozbach | but Primary group |
| 18:50.17 | bonez44 | anyone know how to sign a document...for example...generated in OO... with a homegrown digital signature? |
| 18:50.21 | vontrapp | well where the heck does UPG come in? |
| 18:50.24 | goozbach | UPG == User Private Group |
| 18:50.37 | sjansen | Did you read goozbach's link? |
| 18:50.39 | vontrapp | goozbach: that's just semantics |
| 18:50.44 | sjansen | No it's not. |
| 18:50.47 | goozbach | vontrapp: nope |
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| 18:50.54 | vontrapp | started too, but was convinced it wasn't relevent |
| 18:50.56 | sjansen | ~lart vontrapp |
| 18:50.56 | ibot | gives vontrapp a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 18:51.31 | sjansen | I think that's the first time I've really meant a lart. You need a lame attitude readjustment. |
| 18:51.48 | goozbach | UPG == user private group, where my primary group (the third field in /etc/passwd) is a group created for just me and me alone |
| 18:52.03 | goozbach | primary group == the group I am a member of the second I log in. |
| 18:52.12 | vontrapp | User Private Group |
| 18:52.13 | vontrapp | Every user has a primary group; the user is the only member of that group. |
| 18:52.50 | goozbach | you have a primary group, reguardless of weither you have UPG or not |
| 18:52.58 | goozbach | your primary group is just the default group |
| 18:52.59 | sjansen | UPG is simply a philosophy for provisioning of user and group accounts implemented on top standard Unix semantics. |
| 18:53.12 | vontrapp | why does it say that under "User Private Group" then? |
| 18:53.32 | goozbach | I think it's a bit confusing. |
| 18:53.58 | findlay | abelian groups are closed and associative |
| 18:54.08 | goozbach | it is technically correct, just confusing |
| 18:54.10 | findlay | with an identity and an inverse |
| 18:54.10 | sjansen | Every user has a primary group. Full stop. In UPG, only the user is a member of the user's primary group. |
| 18:54.41 | sjansen | In contrast to traditional Unix where every user is a member of "users" (or similar) as their primary group. |
| 18:54.48 | vontrapp | ok, now in /etc/passwd, i have justin:x:32005:32006:... |
| 18:54.59 | goozbach | User private group: Every user has a primary group, this group is created just for that user and that user is the only member of that group. |
| 18:55.00 | findlay | yay, I'm on there? |
| 18:55.01 | vontrapp | next line von:x:32006:100:... |
| 18:55.12 | vontrapp | that seems broken to me... |
| 18:55.27 | goozbach | it is |
| 18:55.37 | vontrapp | -roulette |
| 18:55.38 | brac | vontrapp: chamber 2 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 18:55.49 | goozbach | try this command: getent passwd von |
| 18:55.57 | sjansen | Here's the beauty of UPG: I can have a umask of 007 and not worry about accidentally sharing sensitive files. Secondary groups are used for sharing. So add the user to secondary group webdev and/or wheel and/or developer, etc. |
| 18:55.58 | goozbach | followed by: getent group von |
| 18:56.32 | sjansen | Combine UPG with ACLs or setgid directories and it is a beautiful thing. Wish I'd known about it back at BYU, would have avoided many headaches. |
| 18:56.46 | vontrapp | getent group von comes back empty |
| 18:56.51 | goozbach | perl-01:/# getent passwd dcarter |
| 18:56.51 | goozbach | dcarter:x:1000:1000:dcarter,,,:/home/dcarter:/bin/bash |
| 18:56.51 | goozbach | perl-01:/# getent group dcarter |
| 18:56.51 | goozbach | dcarter:x:1000: |
| 18:57.13 | goozbach | you'll notice that my user account has the primary group as group 1000 |
| 18:57.22 | goozbach | and group 1000 is the dcarter group |
| 18:57.41 | vontrapp | yes, that's all standard, i don't see where this UPG mumbo jumbo comes it |
| 18:57.43 | vontrapp | *in |
| 18:57.57 | sjansen | Ubuntu? |
| 18:57.59 | goozbach | vontrapp: you need to do a groupadd -g <yourUIDnumber> |
| 18:58.22 | goozbach | sjansen: goozbach's directory server for this paticular project |
| 18:58.31 | sjansen | ah |
| 18:58.33 | goozbach | so it doesn't conflict with usernames on the box |
| 18:58.39 | sjansen | make sense |
| 18:59.00 | goozbach | vontrapp: I lied |
| 18:59.19 | goozbach | groupadd -g 32006 von |
| 18:59.23 | vontrapp | i can't fathom why justin would have 32006 as primary group |
| 18:59.32 | vontrapp | doesn't make any sense |
| 18:59.34 | findlay | what's your favorite syslog interface in perl? |
| 18:59.37 | goozbach | the group numbers got fouled up |
| 19:00.28 | goozbach | somewhere before justin's account was made, someone made another group |
| 19:00.35 | goozbach | and the numbers got out of sync |
| 19:00.52 | vontrapp | -roulette |
| 19:00.52 | brac | vontrapp: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 19:00.55 | goozbach | as long as the numbers match it doesn't really matter |
| 19:00.59 | goozbach | do a groupadd von |
| 19:01.04 | goozbach | and a usermod -g von von |
| 19:01.11 | goozbach | and you'll be all UPG'ed up |
| 19:01.38 | sjansen | Well, just to be safe: groupdel von ; groupadd von ; usermod -g von von |
| 19:01.54 | vontrapp | so, lemme get this straight, uid == upgid? |
| 19:02.12 | sjansen | huh? |
| 19:02.13 | goozbach | vontrapp: not now, cause someone fouled up the numbers |
| 19:02.25 | goozbach | in a perfect world, yes |
| 19:02.32 | sjansen | What' upgid? You made that up. |
| 19:02.35 | goozbach | your uid and gid would match |
| 19:02.50 | vontrapp | sjansen: yes, i can make things up, too |
| 19:02.56 | vontrapp | UPG was made up, after all |
| 19:03.32 | vontrapp | field 3 in passwd is UID, right? |
| 19:03.41 | vontrapp | and fourth is primary group |
| 19:04.03 | tensai | sjansen: debian starts at 1000 too |
| 19:04.06 | sjansen | I think you're still confused about UPG. UPG is nothing more than a way of allocating groups. It's application often results in uid == gid, but that's only coincidental, not a requirement. |
| 19:04.19 | sjansen | vontrapp: correct |
| 19:04.27 | goozbach | lets see... username:password:uid:gid:geicos:homedir:loginshell |
| 19:04.40 | vontrapp | but if primary group and upg are different, then where the heck do you get upg from? |
| 19:04.40 | goozbach | field 3 is user id |
| 19:04.41 | goozbach | field 4 is gid |
| 19:05.12 | goozbach | vontrapp: go read the entirety of the link I sent you |
| 19:05.30 | goozbach | primary group == the group you are assigned to when you login. |
| 19:06.01 | goozbach | User private group == a method for creating users and groups a certian way to facilitate collaboration. |
| 19:06.40 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:07.00 | goozbach | class over IRC isn't very efficent. |
| 19:07.42 | vontrapp | so... upg is just semantics |
| 19:11.34 | vontrapp | so that link makes it sound like setgid would only work with UPG, but there's no rational |
| 19:12.22 | vontrapp | it says there is, but then it's just saying how you use setgid, not why UPG is necessary |
| 19:14.22 | sjansen | UPG lets users feel safe with a umask of 007 or 002. When they create files in their home dir, they're the only ones with access. |
| 19:15.06 | sjansen | Then you can chgrp webdev /var/www ; chmod g+s /var/www/ ; gpasswd -a von webdev |
| 19:15.21 | vontrapp | ok, and i could do that anyway |
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| 19:15.48 | sjansen | Yes, but the fact that RH's useradd creates the private group automatically just makes life easier for you. That's all. |
| 19:15.49 | vontrapp | i don't need my private group to be all private and fuzzy to do that |
| 19:17.06 | vontrapp | so redhat's claim to fame here is that it came up with "upg" first, and as such has whacky commands |
| 19:17.41 | goozbach | it makes it easier if you do |
| 19:20.40 | sjansen | UPG is not complicated. It is very, very simple. There's only so many ways of saying it a method of using standard Unix semantics. It's not fuzzy. The meaning of UPG is very small and sharply defined. IRC and your frustration are just blowing it out of proportion. |
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| 19:25.56 | vontrapp | i'm not frustrated with upg |
| 19:26.26 | vontrapp | i was frustrated with adding me to a group, then you were the ones that started through upg around as an excuse |
| 19:26.45 | sjansen | No, but you do seem frustrated you have to use Teh Greatestest Distro Evar!!!1 |
| 19:26.53 | vontrapp | and i know there are no standards |
| 19:27.02 | vontrapp | but that doesn't mean i can't get frustrated |
| 19:27.25 | vontrapp | then to compound the problem, somebody did a real number on the passwd and group files on this machine |
| 19:27.39 | sjansen | UPG is the most common complain when some one is surprised by groups in RHEL. How was I to know your /etc/group was f00bd? |
| 19:28.16 | vontrapp | you could start by not assuming |
| 19:28.49 | vontrapp | it's ok though, i'm just yankin' your chain |
| 19:29.00 | vontrapp | time to fix these groups |
| 19:29.54 | sjansen | *shrug* Like I said, I'm currently at my limit for Debian users who make accusation without bothering to fully understand the situation. Any little comment is enough to push me over the edge right now. |
| 19:32.33 | sjansen | ~apecrazy Keighvin |
| 19:34.24 | tensai | sjansen: so rhel creates users in their own private group by default? |
| 19:34.41 | sjansen | yes |
| 19:35.04 | tensai | that's always been how debian has worked for me |
| 19:35.22 | vontrapp | yep |
| 19:35.33 | tensai | so what's the confusion here? |
| 19:36.12 | sjansen | I forgot that Debian was sane too. |
| 19:37.30 | sjansen | Debian user complaining again? Complaining about groups? Must be because just like everyone else he doesn't know about UPG! |
| 19:37.46 | unum | can I complain about how fedora has hardly any packages? |
| 19:38.06 | sjansen | no, no you can't |
| 19:38.20 | unum | my only complaint about rhel/fedora is that I have to use them |
| 19:38.59 | vontrapp | mmm, greasy corndogs |
| 19:40.25 | unum | the newer releases of fedora have included a lot more |
| 19:41.01 | vontrapp | unum: yeah, i have the same complaint |
| 19:41.49 | unum | I do miss dselect, have they finally started shipping fedora with something comparable to synaptic |
| 19:42.14 | vontrapp | ugh, dselect was EVIL |
| 19:42.30 | sjansen | no |
| 19:42.42 | unum | I still use it on all of MY machines |
| 19:43.08 | sjansen | pirut is a simplified, unreliable rough equivalent to synaptic. I choose to ignore its existence. |
| 19:44.25 | herlo | fozzmoo: wikipedia isn't merriam-webster |
| 19:44.27 | herlo | or oxford |
| 19:48.12 | elg | aptitude fts |
| 19:48.14 | elg | ftw even |
| 19:48.47 | herlo | for the save? |
| 19:48.54 | herlo | or for the suck? |
| 19:49.54 | sjansen | See, I don't envy Synaptic, but I would love to have an aptititude equivalent. (So long as I don't have to use dpkg, and it has proper multilib support.) |
| 19:49.58 | elg | for the aweSomeness |
| 19:50.37 | herlo | sjansen: is that aptititude? |
| 19:50.48 | goozbach | I blame canada |
| 19:50.51 | herlo | me too |
| 19:50.53 | herlo | and sjansen |
| 19:50.53 | sjansen | aptitude is da bomb |
| 19:51.13 | fozzmoo | ~last Jayce^ |
| 19:51.25 | herlo | sjansen: why for? |
| 19:51.31 | herlo | sjansen: packagekit is better |
| 19:52.46 | sjansen | Haven't played with packagekit yet. My understanding, though, is that packagekit is a backend that could be used to create something like aptitude. |
| 19:53.06 | fozzmoo | Looking at a quote for a Sun server. |
| 19:53.08 | fozzmoo | $21k |
| 19:53.29 | elg | but you can use it to calculate a small country |
| 19:53.30 | fozzmoo | 4 quad-core Xeonns, 16GB RAM, 4 146GB SAS drives |
| 19:53.56 | mrpull | fozzmoo: a x4600? |
| 19:54.04 | fozzmoo | x4450 |
| 19:54.24 | fozzmoo | My only question is... Why? |
| 19:54.39 | mrpull | ah yeah, I guess the intels have xAA50 model numbers. |
| 19:54.57 | mrpull | how many other 16 core boxes do you see in 2 Rack Units? |
| 19:55.14 | fozzmoo | I dunno... but it still seems expensive. |
| 19:57.23 | mrpull | any HBAs? |
| 19:57.31 | mrpull | that does sound overpriced |
| 19:58.17 | mrpull | but if you have a couple 4Gb HBA's and a 24x7x4 support contract, it could get up to 20K pretty quickly |
| 19:59.28 | ^Migs^ | know what I love? People who spot a problem on a web site then tell EVERYONE: their local computer guy, the department head, the technology coordinator, a bunch of co-workers...everyone but the one person who actually can fix it. So I get about 20 emails all reporting the same problem. |
| 19:59.57 | fozzmoo | Internal RAID PCI-E HBA |
| 20:01.14 | mrpull | the Sun Intel/AMD line is a mixed bag |
| 20:01.28 | mrpull | I like the 4600's, but stay away from the 2100 line |
| 20:01.46 | mrpull | unless you are a sun shop, HP or Dell is probably a better route |
| 20:02.22 | sjansen | ^Migs^: The dentist? The janitor? The home owners association? The florist? The butcher? The baker? The candlestick maker? |
| 20:06.07 | ^Migs^ | basically, yeah |
| 20:07.33 | Sargun | Uh, the candlestick maker |
| 20:07.42 | Sargun | mrpull, I <3 My crappy dell |
| 20:10.06 | elg | 27x7x4... is that a 4 day support contract? |
| 20:10.25 | Supaplex | 27? |
| 20:10.27 | fozzmoo | 27 hours a day?! |
| 20:10.35 | elg | 8 days a week |
| 20:11.05 | Supaplex | why stop at 27? |
| 20:11.18 | fozzmoo | So, if I built a box like this Sun x4450, I could do it for under $6000 |
| 20:11.33 | fozzmoo | Certainly under $10k |
| 20:12.44 | goozbach | fozzmoo: but can it say "Sun" on the front... Legally? |
| 20:13.03 | elg | and would it be purple? |
| 20:13.36 | sjansen | "A product of Son Nanosystems!" |
| 20:14.31 | elg | because we all know the sun is purple |
| 20:15.22 | goozbach | I just ate a handfull of rasins, without the sticky fingers you get. |
| 20:15.38 | goozbach | they came in a ziplock, I just turned the bag inside out as I ate. |
| 20:15.52 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why this bothers me, but I just rolled out our new web site yesterday: www.weber.k12.ut.us |
| 20:16.03 | ^Migs^ | and the lazy guy who was supposed to be helping me with it has been taking credit for it |
| 20:16.16 | ^Migs^ | People come up to him, congratulate him on how awesome it looks, etc. |
| 20:16.21 | ^Migs^ | he hasn't done SQUAT |
| 20:16.25 | ^Migs^ | Am I being petty? |
| 20:16.41 | elg | he's being petty |
| 20:16.43 | elg | you're feeling petty |
| 20:16.54 | ^Migs^ | no, I don't feel petty |
| 20:17.14 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I get the same paycheck and all, my boss knows the truth, that this guy is lazy |
| 20:17.23 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Why not bring up how you feel with your manager? |
| 20:17.26 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I gave him the simple task of creating a set of 5 icons. He took a whole week to do it |
| 20:17.38 | ^Migs^ | I've thought about it, but it seems childish |
| 20:17.56 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: It isn't at all. |
| 20:18.04 | rsimpkins | not if you go about it the right way. |
| 20:18.09 | ^Migs^ | actually, he didn't even finish the icons. Eventually on the deadline I just asked him, "What's the holdup?" and he couldn't give me a good answer so I just made them all in about 30 minutes |
| 20:18.18 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 20:18.27 | rsimpkins | Just explain to your manager how you feel this individual isn't pulling their weight, and be prepared to back it up with proof. |
| 20:18.43 | ^Migs^ | oh, they already suspect he's not pulling his weight |
| 20:18.55 | rsimpkins | Yeah, you should let them know about this latest incident though. |
| 20:19.05 | ^Migs^ | but the credit-taking has been going on a long time. Ever since he came here, in fact. People are often flabbergasted when they learn this guy didn't actually make the web sites. |
| 20:19.06 | rsimpkins | It is well worth bringing up in the right way. |
| 20:19.08 | goozbach | ^Migs^: you need to read two books: _The No Asshole Rule_ by Bob Sutton, and _Boundries_ by Dr. Henry Cloud. |
| 20:19.18 | ^Migs^ | I'll look those up |
| 20:19.29 | ^Migs^ | I don't think he comes right out and says it, but just doesn't correct them when they assume he made them |
| 20:19.44 | rsimpkins | That's probably how he got the job there to begin with. :) |
| 20:19.48 | ^Migs^ | actually, it is |
| 20:19.57 | ^Migs^ | He B.S.ed in the job interview, and I found that out RIGHT away |
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| 20:20.06 | goozbach | oh, and I mean this in the best possible way, grow a pair and defend yourself. |
| 20:20.12 | ^Migs^ | but we tried to give him a chance. Problem is that if you've been here long enough, it's impossible to get fired |
| 20:20.30 | goozbach | someone needs to know if he's really dead weight |
| 20:20.42 | goozbach | or you should leave, if you don't feel validated enough |
| 20:20.58 | ^Migs^ | none of my other co-workers know he's useless. They just think he's the funny sociable guy who boosts morale for everyone. |
| 20:21.03 | rsimpkins | Yeah, if you leave they'll figure out real quick if this guy can do the work or not. |
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| 20:21.07 | ^Migs^ | no way, I ain't leaving this job. I love my job too much |
| 20:21.18 | rsimpkins | If your manager is too out of touch to realize you are doing all the work - then leave. |
| 20:21.21 | elg | mini-leave |
| 20:21.33 | elg | break something discreetly as you go on a 3-day vacation |
| 20:21.36 | ^Migs^ | my manager DOES realize I do all the work. It's all the other co-workers, teachers, etc. who don't realize it |
| 20:21.43 | ^Migs^ | and I suppose all that matters is my manager realizes it |
| 20:21.50 | levi | Hmm, my wife must have rebooted the computer. |
| 20:22.27 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: why are they even talkign to him though.... why aren't you the one getting your face out there and talking to them? |
| 20:23.00 | rsimpkins | My last job that kinda 'takign credit for others work' happend all the time. |
| 20:23.17 | ^Migs^ | that's kind of the role he fit into when it was clear he wasn't a developer |
| 20:23.21 | rsimpkins | In that case, though, it was worse than yours. The manager didn't have a clue what was really gonig on. |
| 20:23.37 | ^Migs^ | he was the "P.R. guy" for the web sites. So he's spent the past year getting his face out there. I will admit that he is a very likeable person |
| 20:23.45 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Well, like it or not - he represents you. |
| 20:23.49 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 20:23.54 | ^Migs^ | so that's why I'm wondering if I'm being petty |
| 20:23.56 | elg | ^Migs^: so it's a tradeoff. you can have him be your front man to deal with the massing hoardes, and take all the credit, or you can deal with the massing hordes and take the credit |
| 20:24.03 | ^Migs^ | and he DOES deal with the hordes |
| 20:24.11 | ^Migs^ | he does a good job of that, in fact |
| 20:24.23 | rsimpkins | So he does have some value then? |
| 20:24.27 | goozbach | see, I'd be ok with no credit if it got people off my back so I can do work |
| 20:24.29 | ^Migs^ | I suppose |
| 20:24.37 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I could take all these calls too, no biggie |
| 20:24.39 | elg | i'd let mickey mouse take credit if he deals with the hoardes |
| 20:24.42 | ^Migs^ | he's really not much of a worker, though |
| 20:24.47 | ^Migs^ | comes in late, takes 2-hour lunches, etc. |
| 20:24.53 | goozbach | it's all about how you feel |
| 20:24.59 | goozbach | do you feel shorted? |
| 20:25.10 | goozbach | if so explain it to your manager. |
| 20:25.10 | ^Migs^ | in general, though, the praise and compliments goes right to him, all the whining and complaints come directly to me |
| 20:25.11 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: It is about expections. This individual has managed his expectations better than you have. Not to be offensive or anything. |
| 20:25.51 | ^Migs^ | what do you mean, rsimpkins? |
| 20:25.59 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: If you started taking 2 hour lunchs, you will be fired, because they do not have the same expectation of you. |
| 20:26.00 | ^Migs^ | not sure I understand |
| 20:26.15 | ^Migs^ | actually, I won't. Can't get fired here. But I see where you're going. |
| 20:26.36 | ^Migs^ | It's only been recently my boss has been suspecting he wastes so much time |
| 20:26.40 | ^Migs^ | he's gone most of the day |
| 20:26.44 | rsimpkins | Sounds like people expect you to fix their problems, so you are a problem solver - not a solution creator. |
| 20:26.45 | Sargun | You work at a school. |
| 20:26.49 | ^Migs^ | school district |
| 20:26.57 | Sargun | same thing |
| 20:27.09 | Sargun | They aren't designed to be efficent, intelligent, etc. |
| 20:27.18 | rsimpkins | People whine about problems, they give accolades for solutions. :) |
| 20:27.31 | ^Migs^ | just right now, for example, even one of my co-workers came up and complimented this guy on making the web site look good on PDAs, something *I* spent quite a bit of time on (though could be better). I don't even think this guy realizes I spent time on that. |
| 20:27.47 | ^Migs^ | my co-worker just totally skipped over me |
| 20:27.56 | rsimpkins | of course he doesn't, and he is happy to take the credit, obviously. :) |
| 20:28.10 | ^Migs^ | he doesn't see himself as doing anything wrong, I'm sure |
| 20:28.18 | ^Migs^ | You're right about that, Sargun |
| 20:28.33 | ^Migs^ | we actually do run a pretty good operation here, but there's some things that REALLY annoy me |
| 20:28.38 | Sargun | ^Migs^, Why do you care as long as you have job security, and nobody is getting in your way? |
| 20:28.45 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 20:28.53 | ^Migs^ | I'm mainly just venting a minor annoyance, that's all. |
| 20:28.58 | ^Migs^ | IRC is therapeutic. |
| 20:29.17 | rsimpkins | I hate being known as the problem solver. I like being known as the soluton provider. And two hour lunchs rock. |
| 20:29.26 | sjansen | Because they other guy is sucking up money that could be used to give ^Migs^ a raise. |
| 20:29.31 | rsimpkins | But, even I won't stoop so low as to steal someone's credit. |
| 20:29.45 | Sargun | Why the fijwaodwadwa |
| 20:29.56 | Sargun | Why do engineers think its a good idea to write a server in Perl |
| 20:30.01 | Sargun | that is meant to handle large loads of data |
| 20:30.23 | sjansen | Designed correctly, Perl is a good choice for certain things. |
| 20:30.25 | ^Migs^ | exactly, sjansen |
| 20:30.27 | rsimpkins | Perl is like a leatherman. You can use it as a hammer, and it'll work. ;) |
| 20:30.28 | Supaplex | like radiator? |
| 20:30.56 | ^Migs^ | except I'm on a step/lane scale, working for the government. Incentives are in the form of new laptops, better equipment, etc. |
| 20:31.01 | ^Migs^ | I can't really get a bonus or extra raise |
| 20:31.06 | goozbach | rice krispy treats are the shiz-nit |
| 20:31.18 | ^Migs^ | yeah, and lots of food |
| 20:31.37 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Just wait until your bosess boss comes down and gives grats to this guy. :) |
| 20:31.53 | ^Migs^ | my boss' boss would be the superintendent, and we never see him |
| 20:32.03 | Supaplex | so are grandmas limited edition spiced molasses big cookies |
| 20:32.09 | rsimpkins | Ahh, well, expect an e-mail to this guy then. :) |
| 20:32.16 | ^Migs^ | he's been getting tons of emails all day |
| 20:32.17 | Supaplex | goozbach: so are grandmas limited edition spiced molasses big cookies :) |
| 20:32.24 | ^Migs^ | never even forwards them to me :( |
| 20:32.31 | goozbach | I should apply to be the district CTO... |
| 20:32.31 | elg | set up a filter |
| 20:32.35 | elg | catch them all |
| 20:32.36 | ^Migs^ | instead I have to deal with cranky HR lazy who complains because things aren't exactly the same |
| 20:32.42 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Quick, change the white background to a bright red. :) |
| 20:32.46 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 20:32.59 | elg | and when people call, say "hmmm, you'll have to ask the website xpert" |
| 20:33.07 | goozbach | Supaplex: don't have any of those, but I do have a little debbie oatmeal cream pie |
| 20:33.29 | ^Migs^ | actually, he could figure that out I bet. It would take him several hours, but he could. |
| 20:33.29 | goozbach | which is pretty close |
| 20:33.56 | Supaplex | goozbach: yeah they're pretty good |
| 20:34.12 | ^Migs^ | My boss is trying to motivate this guy, and get him more involved in development (which is what he was originally hired to do). What I AM going to do, I've decided, is ask my boss to yank him off any tasks like that. He's worthless in that area. |
| 20:34.16 | goozbach | change it in two places then, the <body> tag directly and in the CSS file |
| 20:34.17 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: He would come to you and ask you to fix it. :) |
| 20:34.21 | ^Migs^ | or at least keep him doing stuff that isn't important |
| 20:34.22 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 20:34.42 | ^Migs^ | actually, no he wouldn't. He'd waste 2 weeks trying to figure something out, then have nothing to show, and try to include me in the blame |
| 20:35.12 | ^Migs^ | I don't think my boss believes him, though |
| 20:35.12 | rsimpkins | And, when you fix it, he would get a pat on the back for figuring out that really hard background color problem. :) |
| 20:35.17 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 20:35.18 | rsimpkins | It's all about expectations. :) |
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| 20:36.06 | rsimpkins | Take a page from Hillary Clinton, underpromise, over deliever. :) |
| 20:36.28 | rsimpkins | Sheesh, I need to have more diet coke in the blood stream. |
| 20:37.49 | elg | you think that's annoying. i have officemates that turn on the light when they come in. |
| 20:38.23 | ^Migs^ | I love working in the dark |
| 20:38.31 | levi | I hate working in the dark. |
| 20:38.40 | ^Migs^ | Wrong. |
| 20:38.49 | ^Migs^ | Working in the dark is the best |
| 20:38.52 | ^Migs^ | I swear I get more done in the dark |
| 20:39.10 | levi | I'm wrong? You mean I don't *really* hate working in the dark? |
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| 20:39.51 | elg | dmdavis does |
| 20:40.31 | rsimpkins | levi: Do you like working in the sunshine, on a beach, in the Caribbean? |
| 20:40.49 | levi | rsimpkins: Not *that* much light. |
| 20:40.51 | ^Migs^ | Your opinions are wrong, levi |
| 20:41.06 | rsimpkins | levi: Will you work it in a box? Will you work it with a fox? Will you work it here and there? Will you work it anywhere? :-0 |
| 20:41.30 | RyanE | in a box... Check. |
| 20:41.37 | RyanE | with a fox... Nope. |
| 20:41.59 | rsimpkins | RyanE: What? What if the fox is <fill in famous female movie star under age 25>? |
| 20:42.00 | levi | ^Migs^: You're a nincompoop. |
| 20:42.25 | RyanE | rsimpkins: eh, I was talking about *here at work*... I do happen to work in a box (cubicle), and I don't describe my co-workers as foxes. |
| 20:42.52 | ^Migs^ | :D |
| 20:42.53 | RyanE | and I have worked here and there, just not at the same time, unless you count tunnelling. :) |
| 20:45.33 | rsimpkins | One time I had a screen session opened to san jose, dallas, london, tokyo, shanghai, hong kong, syndey, and singapore - at once. That was kind fun. :) |
| 20:45.54 | RyanE | yes, but were you working in a box? :) |
| 20:46.04 | rsimpkins | If a cube == box, yes. |
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| 20:52.48 | Sargun | if cube==box: return True |
| 20:57.05 | sjansen | It took me awhile to get used to working with the lights off, now I prefer it. |
| 21:02.17 | fozzmoo | They call my office "the cave" |
| 21:04.01 | Tene | fozzmoo: you have a nice office at KB? |
| 21:04.26 | fozzmoo | Well, yeah. I'm only using half of it because nobody else wants to work in the dark. |
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| 21:09.47 | elg | i don't have my lights off, exactly. i have the overheads off. I have a desk lamp with a nice daylight fluourescent bulb |
| 21:09.58 | elg | and i have a tinted window that doesn't get direct sunlight |
| 21:15.21 | levi | I work in a gigantic room with 50' ceilings and hanging fluorescent lights, and also a bank of windows against the wall. The top foot and a half of my cube wall is glass. It's very well-lit. |
| 21:17.10 | RyanE | the most productive 2 days I've ever had at work were when I came in on December 26th and January 1st, a year ago. Not a soul in the building, nice and dark, and nice and quiet. |
| 21:17.48 | RyanE | I had to finish something before a big show demo, wouldn't have finished it otherwise, I'm certain. |
| 21:18.57 | levi | It's fine that you guys like the dark. You're not going to convince me that I should work in the dark, though. |
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| 21:39.05 | levi | Oooh, a Spore release date has been set. |
| 21:42.04 | ^Migs^ | 2010? |
| 21:43.37 | elg | spore |
| 21:44.06 | elg | ? |
| 21:45.40 | Tene | September. |
| 21:45.45 | Tene | elg: a game |
| 21:45.57 | Tene | levi: replying where? |
| 21:50.52 | levi | Tene: On his blog. |
| 21:51.39 | levi | elg: Spore is this game where you play through the evolution of a tiny organism into a civilization or something like that. |
| 21:51.59 | levi | Also, this is awesome: http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/ |
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| 22:04.04 | tristanbob_ | levi, so spore was never released yet? I saw the demo like 2 years ago |
| 22:04.07 | elg | that's eerie |
| 22:04.39 | vontrapp | how might one restart apache on rhel? |
| 22:04.56 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: apachectl graceful |
| 22:04.58 | vontrapp | i suspect it may have been installed in a non-standard manner |
| 22:05.03 | Keighvin | vontrapp: /etc/init.d/httpd restart |
| 22:05.22 | Keighvin | Either that or apachectl, depending on which version of the package you have installed. |
| 22:05.35 | vontrapp | "graceful" restarts? |
| 22:05.36 | rsimpkins | I prefer graceful, but if you need a hard restart - you can do that. |
| 22:06.01 | Keighvin | Graceful allows current threads to finish processing before reloading. |
| 22:06.04 | rsimpkins | The fact you care about Enterprise suggests that graceful might be more along your thinking. |
| 22:06.13 | vontrapp | will graceful be enough to load new virtual hosts? |
| 22:06.18 | rsimpkins | Yes. |
| 22:09.59 | Keighvin | I'm stoked that Spore's going to be released for the DS. |
| 22:11.29 | levi | Heh: http://almaer.com/blog/rotating-java-and-javascript-on-the-server |
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| 22:13.15 | goozbach | jayce! |
| 22:13.22 | rsimpkins | What did he do? |
| 22:13.39 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Did you win the lottery? |
| 22:13.41 | Keighvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.48 | elg | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 22:13.48 | ibot | hits Jayce^ with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 22:14.15 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.32 | Keighvin | A preceding space does that? |
| 22:14.39 | goozbach | we all promise to erase our logs, correct? |
| 22:14.43 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.54 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.54 | goozbach | don't miss one |
| 22:15.03 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.10 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.14 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.28 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.34 | fozzmoo | What's the timeline? |
| 22:15.36 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.23 | fozzmoo | coreprit. |
| 22:16.29 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:17.12 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.21 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.37 | Keighvin | ~shoot fozzmoo |
| 22:17.38 | ibot | ACTION shoots fozzmoo in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 22:17.42 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.05 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: If you're looking for SysAdmin, send me your resumé |
| 22:18.21 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, well, gotta keep all options at first |
| 22:18.30 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/jayce/resume.html |
| 22:18.31 | brac | [Jayce^: Resume] |
| 22:18.40 | Jayce^ | gotta do some polishing now, of course |
| 22:19.29 | rsimpkins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:20.47 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Sounds like it. |
| 22:20.50 | rsimpkins | k |
| 22:23.24 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.24 | vontrapp | goozbach: just tell your inlaws they're lucky you're not living in alaska |
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| 22:32.50 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.51 | ibot | changes jsmith's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 22:33.07 | jsmith | w00t! I have more permissions! |
| 22:34.09 | herlo | ibot: that's supposed to be his umask |
| 22:34.24 | jsmith | herlo: My thoughts exactly |
| 22:35.01 | jsmith | Oh, and I left you a nice little core file in /tmp |
| 22:35.21 | herlo | jsmith: you are too kind to Tene |
| 22:36.02 | Sargun | I HATE INCOMPETENT WINDOWS LOVING IT GUYS! |
| 22:39.19 | tensai | turns out that a usb hard drive is not a suitable replacement for a usb headset |
| 22:39.36 | unum | with both of the last two statements :) |
| 22:39.47 | tensai | also turns out that trying to use one in place of the other can cause an IP phone to do all sorts of bad things |
| 22:44.23 | jsmith | tensai: You think? |
| 22:44.50 | tensai | I didn't do it. my phone doesn't have a usb port. |
| 22:45.03 | tensai | one of my customers did and in fact it scared the crap out of my phone |
| 22:45.11 | dmdavis | so, was the drives partition table replaced by a recording of someone saying "hello? is anyone there?" |
| 22:45.19 | tensai | mine started buzzing and froze up. wouldn't let me hang up or anything. |
| 22:45.22 | dmdavis | s/drives/drive's/ |
| 22:45.48 | goozbach | jsmith: oh they're there |
| 22:45.53 | goozbach | you have to know where |
| 22:45.56 | goozbach | but they are there |
| 22:46.50 | goozbach | ok not really |
| 22:47.33 | jsmith | goozbach: That's OK... I'm filling up your apache error_log |
| 22:48.04 | goozbach | it's not mine |
| 22:48.32 | jsmith | Even better |
| 22:49.30 | goozbach | ok try again |
| 22:49.33 | goozbach | buhahah |
| 22:50.09 | goozbach | http://users.netradius.com/~goozbach/logs/ |
| 22:50.10 | brac | [jsmith: go away!] |
| 22:51.14 | goozbach | I have a lot of stuff in that directory... |
| 22:51.18 | goozbach | I should clean it out |
| 22:52.44 | jsmith | goozbach: Nice try, but brac leaked your little secret |
| 22:52.55 | goozbach | oh did he? |
| 22:53.10 | goozbach | I woudn't be so sure, brac doesn't look at the content of the page |
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| 22:53.54 | jsmith | goozbach: Look... [17:50] <brac> [jsmith: go away!] |
| 22:58.52 | goozbach | where content = inside the <body> tags |
| 22:58.56 | unum | salt lake city street view is working |
| 22:59.07 | Tene | Huh. |
| 23:04.01 | levi | unum: Salt Lake City street view? |
| 23:04.15 | jlp_work | google maps |
| 23:04.28 | levi | Huh, I didn't know they were doing SLC. |
| 23:04.44 | tensai | ~lart flags with crescent moons and stars |
| 23:04.44 | ibot | eats flags with crescent moons and stars's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 23:05.08 | jlp_work | yeah, my son found himself driving behind a google car with camera thing on the roof last summer... unfortunately, he didn't appear to make it into any of the imagery |
| 23:06.58 | tensai | wow. it covers santaquin to willard bay. |
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| 23:17.07 | RyanE | looks like they took our street-level map photos on a Friday. |
| 23:20.32 | tensai | the map is pretty spotty south of byu. they probably stayed away due to the crazy pedestrians. |
| 23:26.20 | goozbach | I found my old house, my grandma's house, my sister's house, and .... |
| 23:31.00 | RyanE | my parents' house is too far away to see closely, they didn't go into the circle. |
| 23:31.08 | RyanE | still pretty cool. |
| 23:31.45 | levi | You can see the back of my house in Lehi. |
| 23:31.56 | RyanE | levi: not the front? |
| 23:32.01 | tensai | the ones I saw were all taken in the early morning. I wonder if they do that to avoid people. |
| 23:32.04 | levi | RyanE: No, they didn't go into the neighborhood. |
| 23:32.21 | RyanE | The ones I saw looked like about 11:00, Friday morning. |
| 23:32.31 | RyanE | (in my neighborhood) |
| 23:33.16 | levi | Fortuneately, they got my place after I'd brought the lawn somewhat back to life. |
| 23:33.40 | RyanE | that's why I was looking at mine... green... or brown... |
| 23:34.00 | RyanE | levi: you're west of the freeway, right? |
| 23:34.46 | levi | RyanE: Yeah, right off Main St and 13th W. |
| 23:34.59 | Supaplex | yippie! my gnash etch x64 backport (from sid) built all the debs |
| 23:36.37 | RyanE | they probably figured that after this snowmelt, you'll be in the lake anyway... :) |
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| 23:47.24 | levi | Hah, they took the freakin' dirt road mountain pass from Herriman to Tooele. |
| 23:48.34 | levi | They drove out to the gate at Dugway, too. |
| 23:49.21 | RyanE | I wonder what their categorization is... yeah, we need to get the boonies in Huntsville, but cut Lehi off at main street? Goofy. |
| 23:52.06 | elg | isn't lehi boondocks by definition? |
| 23:52.29 | RyanE | this is boondocks... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lehi,+UT&ie=UTF8&ll=41.254968,-111.741943&spn=0.097305,0.285645&z=13&om=0&layer=c&cbll=41.230167,-111.727486&cbp=1,454.851001051179,,0,10.618118295597034 |
| 23:52.51 | RyanE | yet still has street view. |
| 23:54.17 | RyanE | the dirt road leading to the west is where a friend lives. |
| 23:55.32 | unum | they didn't do much of layton or ogden |
| 23:56.44 | levi | How'd you get the link? |
| 23:56.57 | elg | huh. no street view in hartford |
| 23:57.23 | RyanE | what link? Mine? |
| 23:57.29 | levi | Yeah. |
| 23:57.37 | RyanE | click 'link to this page' on the right-hand side of google maps |
| 23:57.44 | RyanE | pops up a copyable link |
| 23:57.57 | Zelut | they did streetview up in farmington, but turned a half-block from my house and didn't get it. |
| 23:58.17 | RyanE | It's how we tell dealers to get latitude and longitude if they don't have a US zipcode for our software to calculate sunrise / sunset. :) |
| 23:58.38 | Zelut | at least my house is now on the map |
| 23:58.58 | levi | Oh, duh. :) |
| 23:59.38 | levi | Huh, they drove the pass between Brighton and Park City, but they didn't drive the whole Alpine Loop. |
