| 00:00.10 | Sargun | hex(int) |
| 00:00.29 | tripzero | thnx |
| 00:00.36 | Sargun | python -c "print hex(int($INT))" |
| 00:01.01 | Sargun | There is probably an easier way |
| 00:01.27 | Tene | tripzero: bc can do it, iirc |
| 00:28.13 | fozzmoo | printf '%x' $INT |
| 00:28.31 | fozzmoo | printf '%x\n' 14 |
| 00:29.25 | Sargun | my way is the best because its amazingly overkill |
| 00:29.51 | nick125 | Serial.print(data, HEX); |
| 00:29.52 | nick125 | ;-) |
| 00:30.07 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.16 | Sargun | /KICKBAN nick125 |
| 00:30.20 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Nah. You'd have to resort to Java to go that route. |
| 00:30.24 | Sargun | fozzmoo, dang. |
| 00:30.59 | fozzmoo | Or create a converter on a breadboard that you talk to via USB or serial and then write a program that feeds it data from stdin on the command line. |
| 00:31.41 | nick125 | that wouldn't be too hard |
| 00:31.41 | fozzmoo | goozbach: poing |
| 00:31.48 | Sargun | uhhhhhhhh |
| 00:31.58 | fozzmoo | nick125: Nope. I'm pretty sure I did it in one of my first year of EE circuits classes. |
| 00:32.04 | nick125 | I could write the code for it for the Arduino in a few minutes :p |
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| 00:32.44 | nick125 | It would look something like this.... |
| 00:32.50 | nick125 | void loop(void) { |
| 00:32.57 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.33 | nick125 | er |
| 00:33.35 | nick125 | forgot something |
| 00:33.44 | nick125 | void loop(void) { |
| 00:34.09 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.17 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.26 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.41 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.57 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.57 | Sargun | malloc(10) |
| 00:35.04 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.09 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.23 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.28 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.30 | nick125 | } |
| 00:35.32 | nick125 | something like that |
| 00:35.50 | Sargun | uh |
| 00:35.51 | Sargun | weird |
| 00:35.51 | Sargun | no |
| 00:35.52 | nick125 | not sure about the adding data to the array thing |
| 00:35.57 | nick125 | actually, that continue needs to be a break. |
| 00:36.02 | Sargun | you should write an offloaded grep |
| 00:36.15 | Sargun | a parallel offloaded grep |
| 00:36.23 | Sargun | using an IOP |
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| 00:39.59 | fozzmoo | ti`ocpi: HI! |
| 00:40.39 | Sargun | fozzmoo, hi! |
| 00:40.49 | Sargun | ~say Sargun, hi! |
| 00:40.49 | ibot | Sargun, hi! |
| 00:40.53 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Hello. |
| 00:41.00 | Sargun | What's p |
| 00:41.04 | Sargun | uh |
| 00:41.11 | Sargun | nick125, you have an issue. |
| 00:41.12 | fozzmoo | It's weird constantly running into you like this. |
| 00:41.16 | Sargun | nick125, your loop will DIE |
| 00:41.23 | nick125 | Sargun: that's what I want. |
| 00:41.24 | Sargun | your program will CRASH |
| 00:41.44 | nick125 | once the loop exits, the arduino will rerun it |
| 00:42.05 | Sargun | why |
| 00:42.23 | nick125 | because that's the way it works? |
| 00:43.24 | nick125 | Sargun: The loop function is called over and over and over |
| 00:43.47 | Sargun | fozzmoo, what did you already upload, and what are you uploading now |
| 00:44.03 | fozzmoo | UTOSC 2007 interviews. |
| 00:44.56 | ti`ocpi | Heya Fozz! |
| 00:47.07 | fozzmoo | http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=173918BA16C0A606 |
| 00:47.51 | Supaplex | Sargun: that's not a bad idea. something akin to bugs.debian.org/411103 |
| 00:48.29 | tripzero | fozzmoo: nice |
| 00:48.45 | fozzmoo | Goozbach's interview is going up next. |
| 00:49.26 | tripzero | fozzmoo: these are just interviews, not any of the lectures/presentations? |
| 00:49.33 | fozzmoo | There are some sessions. |
| 00:49.53 | Sargun | Supaplex, mhmm |
| 00:49.54 | fozzmoo | Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find much complete session footage. |
| 00:51.05 | tripzero | fozzmoo: I wasn't able to attend much of it because of my schedule, but it'd be nice to catch up on the cool sessions |
| 00:51.22 | fozzmoo | We'll do a better job of capturing all the sessions this year. |
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| 00:58.03 | elg | it's bad enough when something "peaks" your interest, but when something "piqued a couple of years ago" things are just out of hand |
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| 01:06.39 | fozzmoo | Wow. Clint's interview got rated 5 stars. Neet. |
| 01:07.04 | fozzmoo | elg: No kidding. I love that show, Twin Piques |
| 01:13.33 | tripzero | who's lined up for utosc 2008? |
| 01:14.31 | fozzmoo | You, of course. |
| 01:14.44 | tripzero | :p |
| 01:15.36 | herlo | tripzero: call for papers coming tomorrow or the next day |
| 01:15.50 | tripzero | nice |
| 01:16.16 | tripzero | i hope that OSS car entertainment guy will be able to come back next year :p |
| 01:17.43 | herlo | maybe, kevron rees was his name |
| 01:18.25 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVHZiuux2c |
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| 01:21.56 | tripzero | blast! what do I do if I forget my admin password in Linux? |
| 01:23.18 | herlo | tripzero: run level one |
| 01:23.29 | nick125 | or mount the drive in a livecd |
| 01:23.35 | nick125 | chroot in, and change the passwd |
| 01:23.49 | herlo | that too |
| 01:23.53 | tripzero | i'm in level 5 atm |
| 01:23.59 | tripzero | err, whatever the gui is |
| 01:24.07 | herlo | yeah |
| 01:24.11 | herlo | usually it is |
| 01:24.40 | peno | or if you're using sudo, you can always change root's pass that way. |
| 01:25.04 | tripzero | that's it, I forgot my normal user's sudo |
| 01:25.14 | tripzero | and I don't recall if I have a root accnt setup |
| 01:25.18 | Sargun | uhh. |
| 01:25.21 | Sargun | you have to have root |
| 01:25.35 | fozzmoo | rescue environment, boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 01:26.50 | nick125 | Sargun: did you hear that the Linux XP website got hacked? |
| 01:26.53 | tripzero | hmm, ubuntu doesn't have a root accnt setup by defaul does it? |
| 01:27.00 | nick125 | tripzero: nope |
| 01:27.05 | tripzero | or rather, it uses your user's password |
| 01:27.14 | nick125 | sudo uses your normal password |
| 01:28.09 | nick125 | you can still reset it though a livecd or level 1 |
| 01:29.06 | Sargun | Level19 |
| 01:29.09 | Sargun | LEVEL3 |
| 01:29.27 | tripzero | ok, i guess I'm going down then |
| 01:29.32 | tripzero | brb |
| 01:33.28 | fozzmoo | Wow. Maria Shriver endorsing Obama. |
| 01:33.34 | fozzmoo | Must be fun in that house. |
| 01:38.16 | findlay | who's that? |
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| 01:40.09 | fozzmoo | Maria Shriver? She's married to "Da Guvonator" |
| 01:40.41 | fozzmoo | She's also Ted Kennedy's niece and used to be an anchorwoman for NBC |
| 01:40.46 | findlay | yeah, so? Who's that? |
| 01:40.56 | fozzmoo | Anyway. Guvonator just endorsed McCain. |
| 01:41.12 | findlay | wait, NBC is a TV network, right? |
| 01:41.17 | Sargun | CBC |
| 01:41.18 | fozzmoo | ~lart findlay |
| 01:41.18 | ibot | tries to shut findlay up |
| 01:41.21 | Sargun | Complete Blood Count |
| 01:41.22 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 01:44.11 | nick125 | stupid MPD is not working. It just locks up and refuses connections |
| 01:53.39 | nick125 | There's got to be something better than this |
| 01:57.46 | nick125 | okay....I guess it must have something to do with gmpc |
| 01:57.48 | nick125 | or something |
| 01:58.01 | nick125 | every time I try to connect to MPD, it locks up and starts eating CPU |
| 01:59.17 | Sargun | /kick me |
| 01:59.22 | Sargun | haha |
| 01:59.36 | nick125 | yes, /kick you |
| 01:59.53 | Sargun | /kick nick125 |
| 01:59.56 | Sargun | /facialkick nick125 |
| 02:00.01 | Sargun | ~ibot nick125 |
| 02:00.01 | lakshmi | uhh |
| 02:00.05 | Sargun | ~kick nick125 |
| 02:00.06 | ibot | ACTION kicks nick125 |
| 02:00.08 | Sargun | ~slap nick125 |
| 02:00.09 | ibot | ACTION slaps nick125, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:00.16 | Sargun | ~jump nick125 |
| 02:00.17 | ibot | ACTION scrambles up the nearest tree, screams, then leaps feet first on top of nick125 |
| 02:00.19 | Sargun | ~eat nick125 |
| 02:00.19 | ibot | ACTION eats nick125 and falls over dead |
| 02:00.28 | Sargun | ~shoot nick125 |
| 02:00.28 | ibot | ACTION shoots nick125 in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 02:00.28 | nick125 | I guess I should quit using mpd SVN. |
| 02:00.31 | Sargun | ~lart nick125 |
| 02:00.31 | ibot | hauls nick125 up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 02:00.37 | Sargun | ~language nick125 |
| 02:00.37 | ibot | ACTION grabs nick125 by the ear and washes nick125's mouth out with soap |
| 02:00.45 | Sargun | ~nick125 nick125 |
| 02:00.45 | ibot | ACTION puts nick125 on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes nick125 use Gentoo on there. |
| 02:01.09 | Sargun | ~crush nick125 |
| 02:01.10 | ibot | ACTION crushes nick125 with a full height scsi disk |
| 02:01.13 | Sargun | ~throw nick125 |
| 02:01.14 | ibot | ACTION winds up and throws nick125 over the moon. |
| 02:01.18 | Sargun | haha |
| 02:01.24 | Sargun | this is just too fun. |
| 02:01.46 | nick125 | what the heck is mpd-ew.... |
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| 02:03.50 | tripzero | that sucked |
| 02:03.55 | tripzero | what'd i miss? |
| 02:04.05 | nick125 | nothing really |
| 02:04.28 | nick125 | ugh, why are my keyboard bindings no longer working |
| 02:06.18 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:07.03 | atoponce | tripzero: get your root pass reset? |
| 02:07.05 | nick125 | so let's see, pulseaudio isn't working, mpd isn't working, dbus isn't working, xfce keeps crashing and my keyboard bindings aren't working, what else could go wrong? |
| 02:07.21 | atoponce | you could use gentoo... |
| 02:07.31 | nick125 | I am :p |
| 02:07.44 | atoponce | in that case, not much could get worse |
| 02:09.04 | Sargun | haha |
| 02:09.09 | Sargun | you could be using BSD |
| 02:09.28 | nick125 | okay, it seems like pulseaudio is working now. |
| 02:13.12 | nick125 | Maybe I should just start using the mpd snapshot instead |
| 02:13.36 | Sargun | no |
| 02:16.43 | whiteley | anybody here have mstar phone service on iProvo? |
| 02:18.08 | Sargun | no |
| 02:18.26 | whiteley | bummer. |
| 02:23.07 | PRoGRaMMeRQ | if anyone here has broken xbox or ps2 gaming consoles, and you want to rid yourselves the junk, I'll be happy to take them off your hands. :) |
| 02:23.52 | Sargun | PRoGRaMMeRQ, no. |
| 02:24.29 | nick125 | "You are about to close 140 tabs. Are you sure you want to continue?" |
| 02:24.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 02:24.37 | RyanE | heh |
| 02:24.52 | RyanE | that's a *tad bit* excessive... Hope you have SessionManager |
| 02:25.22 | Supaplex | nick125: bookmark all open tabs as a folder! |
| 02:30.12 | PRoGRaMMeRQ | box of dirt? |
| 02:30.42 | PRoGRaMMeRQ | :( |
| 02:33.27 | Sargun | lol |
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| 02:37.14 | nick125 | Client check: 1 host checked in 0.055 seconds, 0 problems found |
| 02:37.16 | nick125 | \o/ |
| 02:37.38 | nick125 | yay, it works now |
| 02:49.26 | levi | I like NBC. They have Chuck. |
| 03:11.09 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BsUMuBmnQY |
| 03:11.27 | fozzmoo | nick125: Use bacula |
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| 03:14.34 | nick125 | What's new about bacula? |
| 03:22.00 | nick125 | Sargun: poke |
| 03:24.56 | Sargun | hi |
| 03:26.21 | nick125 | *** (libtool.m4 = 1.5.24, ltmain.sh = 1.5.26) *** |
| 03:26.21 | fozzmoo | nick125: it's a real backup system, compared to AMANDA |
| 03:26.26 | nick125 | Sargun: Any ideas? |
| 03:26.33 | nick125 | fozzmoo: What makes it better? |
| 03:28.32 | Sargun | dd |
| 03:28.37 | Sargun | rsync -av |
| 03:28.39 | Sargun | rm -rf / |
| 03:28.46 | Sargun | that last one is the best backup method. |
| 03:32.15 | nick125 | Sargun: Any ideas on fixing that problem? |
| 03:32.20 | nick125 | er |
| 03:32.23 | nick125 | I posted the wrong line |
| 03:32.24 | nick125 | *** libtool.m4 and ltmain.sh have a version mismatch! *** |
| 03:34.46 | nick125 | other than hacking the ebuild to run libtoolize, of course |
| 03:57.11 | nick125 | DIE DIE DIE DIE!!! |
| 03:57.26 | nick125 | ./configure: line 27836: syntax error near unexpected token `MPD_LIBS="$MPD_LIBS $LIBOGGFLAC_LIBS"' |
| 03:57.30 | nick125 | ./configure: line 27836: `AM_PATH_LIBOGGFLAC(MPD_LIBS="$MPD_LIBS $LIBOGGFLAC_LIBS" MPD_CFLAGS="$MPD_CFLAGS $LIBOGGFLAC_CFLAGS",enable_oggflac=no)' |
| 03:58.34 | Sargun | HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH |
| 03:58.37 | Sargun | ~hahaha nick125 |
| 03:58.41 | Sargun | ~ha nick125 |
| 03:58.47 | Sargun | ~laugh nick125 |
| 03:58.47 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at nick125...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 03:58.54 | Sargun | finally |
| 03:58.56 | Sargun | ~laugh nickmpd |
| 03:58.57 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at nickmpd...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 03:58.57 | nick125 | Sargun: you killed ibot! |
| 03:58.59 | Sargun | ~laugh mpd |
| 03:59.00 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at mpd...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 04:00.11 | nick125 | That's it. I'm looking for another music player |
| 04:03.09 | elg | maybe you should look for another distro |
| 04:03.24 | nick125 | elg: Nothing else is broken in my distro, except for MPD. |
| 04:03.39 | elg | nothing is broken in my distro, including mpd |
| 04:41.27 | findlay | hello |
| 04:55.12 | nick125 | Sargun: What's the fastest RC car in the world (an RC car, not a full size car) |
| 04:57.45 | findlay | nick125: mine, obviously |
| 04:57.57 | nick125 | findlay: and how fast is that? :P |
| 04:59.09 | findlay | nick125: about mach 7 on a good day |
| 05:02.08 | findlay | this lame distro doesn't have gcc |
| 05:02.35 | findlay | I'm going to have to set up a cross compile environment anyway |
| 05:02.47 | findlay | might as well go right for gentoo :D |
| 05:03.04 | findlay | geeentoo, I mean :-) |
| 05:03.44 | findlay | well, no time for it now |
| 05:05.32 | levi | findlay: What distro are you using, and why? |
| 05:05.56 | findlay | levi: the one that comes with this eeepc |
| 05:06.02 | levi | Ahhh. |
| 05:06.04 | findlay | it's based on xandros |
| 05:10.36 | decriptor | M$ contributors, |
| 05:10.59 | decriptor | your running an OS that was based on one that paid M$ for the license to run linux |
| 05:12.05 | levi | 'decriptor Try again, but make sense this time. |
| 05:13.46 | findlay | ~rtti |
| 05:13.47 | ibot | rtti is probably runtime type information |
| 05:14.21 | decriptor | levi: what are you talking about |
| 05:14.31 | decriptor | xandros paid a patent agreement with M$ |
| 05:15.15 | decriptor | http://www.xandros.com/news/press_releases/xandros_microsoft_collaborate.html |
| 05:15.23 | decriptor | horse mouth |
| 05:15.38 | decriptor | horse's mouth |
| 05:15.55 | levi | decriptor: It wasn't at all clear that you were talking about Xandros, it looked like you were directing some statement at 'M$ contributors' because of the comma you put after it. |
| 05:16.04 | findlay | decriptor: aw, now I feel awful |
| 05:16.15 | decriptor | levi: |
| 05:16.19 | levi | And you used "your" instead of "you're" |
| 05:16.19 | decriptor | levi: sorry |
| 05:16.26 | decriptor | levi: long weekend |
| 05:17.23 | levi | If you're going to go on an ideological crusade against Xandros, I will feel unashamed to go on an ideological crusade against poor English. |
| 05:18.01 | decriptor | levi: I'm going after the novell haters |
| 05:18.16 | findlay | what's a Novell hater? |
| 05:18.25 | Heartsbane | levi: who cares Grammar Nazi |
| 05:18.31 | findlay | heh |
| 05:18.47 | nick125 | I have very little respect for Xandros, Novell, and any other Linux vendor that signs patient agreements with Microsoft. |
| 05:18.53 | Sargun | why |
| 05:18.54 | decriptor | Heartsbane: he's uncreative, and so therefore spells correctly and uses grammer correctly..... boring |
| 05:18.58 | levi | Heartsbane: I think you wanted a comma in there. |
| 05:18.59 | Sargun | patient |
| 05:19.06 | Sargun | nick125, Novell had to |
| 05:19.08 | nick125 | patent |
| 05:19.54 | Sargun | They reverse engineered, and reimplemented outlook |
| 05:19.56 | Sargun | they must be afraid |
| 05:20.00 | decriptor | Sargun: I don't know that they had to, but it was a completely different agreement than xandros, linspire, etc. |
| 05:20.13 | Sargun | yeah |
| 05:20.23 | Sargun | Not sure why Xandros did |
| 05:20.23 | decriptor | Sargun: I wondering if it was in part to cover M$ butt and their fake unix license :) |
| 05:20.30 | Sargun | they seemed pretty immune |
| 05:20.38 | Heartsbane | levi: no i didn't what I wanted to do was http://tinyurl.com/295bpn |
| 05:20.49 | Heartsbane | decriptor: night |
| 05:20.54 | decriptor | Heartsbane: night |
| 05:21.39 | levi | Heartsbane: Someone must be feeling insecure about their poor grammar skills! I'm sorry I touched a nerve. :P |
| 05:22.18 | Heartsbane | naw I just wanted to join the party and be a dick |
| 05:23.06 | findlay | ifconfig |
| 05:23.12 | findlay | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:23.17 | findlay | dude |
| 05:23.25 | findlay | sorry |
| 05:23.35 | decriptor | findlay: that would probably work better in a different terminal |
| 05:24.09 | findlay | decriptor: bash: sorry: command not found |
| 05:28.01 | nick125 | emerge -C findlay |
| 05:28.14 | findlay | emerge --depclean nick125 |
| 05:28.32 | nick125 | depclean doesn't take any arguments, IIRC :) |
| 05:28.46 | findlay | oh well |
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| 06:11.23 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | No, try not. Do or do not. There is no try. |
| 06:17.15 | tensai | sjansen: so, what's up? |
| 06:20.06 | sjansen | Not much. Trying to find an excuse not to go to sleep. |
| 06:20.54 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:21.02 | Sargun | what is SUCK |
| 06:21.32 | tensai | is this jeopardy? |
| 06:22.03 | tensai | sjansen: you could spend a few hours trying to understand gnu radio |
| 06:22.25 | Sargun | oh |
| 06:22.34 | Sargun | is SUCK like splat |
| 06:26.59 | nick125 | Sargun: hey, sup? |
| 06:29.31 | Sargun | nick125, not much you |
| 06:29.50 | nick125 | Sargun: not too much, customizing amarok |
| 06:29.59 | Sargun | oh, cool. |
| 06:30.11 | nick125 | I got tired of mpd |
| 06:30.15 | nick125 | and its crashyness |
| 06:32.28 | Sargun | amarok is pretty cool |
| 06:32.48 | nick125 | definitely. |
| 06:33.01 | nick125 | I love how it actually suggests songs that I might actually listen to :D |
| 06:34.11 | tensai | nick125: you should check out New Kids on the Block. they're awesome. |
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| 07:09.31 | ibot | stalks fozzmoo, hiding in the shadows and sorting through his garbage. |
| 07:13.27 | Supaplex | http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=52180 |
| 07:13.37 | brac | [Stars and Stripes: Navy’s experimental railgun sets record] |
| 07:15.42 | tensai | excel is evil |
| 07:16.12 | nick125 | excel is excellent! ..at sucking. |
| 07:16.42 | Sargun | s/..at sucking.// |
| 07:17.55 | lakshmi | excel is bad |
| 07:18.08 | fozzmoo | QuatroPro FOREVER! |
| 07:18.10 | lakshmi | tensai i agree |
| 07:18.14 | lakshmi | ~lart stats |
| 07:18.14 | ibot | stabs stats |
| 07:19.29 | fozzmoo | oh dear. epiphany crashed. |
| 07:20.00 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: When are you going to run Linux? |
| 07:20.18 | lakshmi | fozzmoo i cant, stats makes me use excel :-/ |
| 07:20.34 | fozzmoo | But you could use OOo and save your files as XLS |
| 07:20.38 | nick125 | lakshmi: Who says you can't use gnumeric or oo? |
| 07:20.58 | nick125 | just say you got a fancy "skin" for excel named "gnumeric" |
| 07:21.05 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 07:21.20 | lakshmi | uh cause my stats proff might go nuts |
| 07:21.22 | lakshmi | and fail me? |
| 07:21.23 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: You need to find a boyfriend who will buy you one of those pink EeePCs. |
| 07:21.24 | lakshmi | hes crazy |
| 07:21.33 | fozzmoo | (That's why he's a stats prof.) |
| 07:21.43 | lakshmi | How bout i just find a bf first |
| 07:21.53 | lakshmi | he doesnt have to buy me anything |
| 07:21.57 | tensai | we're converting our office to OOo but had a big setback this week because somebody needs shared workbooks |
| 07:21.58 | fozzmoo | Just ride on down to BFs-R-Us |
| 07:22.04 | lakshmi | fozzmoo :-/ |
| 07:22.12 | tensai | I'm finding a lot of people who deride shared workbooks as a way to quickly lose data |
| 07:22.14 | lakshmi | fozzmoo please... stop |
| 07:22.27 | lakshmi | :-/ |
| 07:22.42 | fozzmoo | tensai: Our beef with OOo is that it doesn't handle image linking properly. |
| 07:23.31 | fozzmoo | So, you're kind of forced to embed all your graphics with the .odp file. Makes for a HUGE doc file on large documents with lots of embedded graphics. |
| 07:27.48 | tensai | the more data I delete from this spreadsheet, the bigger the file gets. that's just ludicrous. |
| 07:29.33 | sjansen | Watch out, OOo handles math a tiny bit different than Excel. |
| 07:29.36 | Supaplex | fozzmoo: haha BFs-R-Us |
| 07:30.05 | fozzmoo | Wish I could use my compose key to get a backwards "R" for that. |
| 07:30.35 | sjansen | Argually, OOo is more "correct" but when you're processing an invoice and it results a several thousand dollar error against you, it's argue to argue for "correctness" over "the same results the other guy saw when he entered the data". |
| 07:30.54 | sjansen | s/argue to/hard to/ |
| 07:33.38 | sjansen | lakshmi: You just need to learn how to handle fozzmoo. |
| 07:33.45 | sjansen | ~punish fozzmoo |
| 07:33.46 | ibot | ACTION forces fozzmoo to install and use Windows |
| 07:34.11 | sjansen | See? Problem solved? He'll be reinstalling and reconfiguring for days. |
| 07:34.51 | fozzmoo | ow. |
| 07:35.34 | Supaplex | lakshmi: http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/m4w/556400123.html |
| 07:35.48 | lakshmi | sjansen is it possible to do that with others too? |
| 07:36.10 | sjansen | Of course. |
| 07:36.22 | sjansen | ~fish tensai |
| 07:36.23 | ibot | ACTION slaps tensai around with a large trout |
| 07:36.54 | tensai | ~spam pmcnabb__ |
| 07:36.55 | ibot | ACTION subscribes pmcnabb__ to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for pmcnabb__ to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 07:38.13 | sjansen | ~taunt happy fun ball |
| 07:38.14 | ibot | ACTION taunts happy fun ball a second time |
| 07:38.19 | lakshmi | Supaplex gah |
| 07:38.21 | lakshmi | ~lart Supaplex |
| 07:38.21 | ibot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Supaplex's direction, hitting Supaplex and sending Supaplex flying into the closet |
| 07:38.26 | lakshmi | ~lart Sargun |
| 07:38.26 | ibot | follow's Sargun with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 07:39.16 | sjansen | lakshmi: Ever played scorched3d? |
| 07:39.25 | sjansen | ~travolta Supaplex |
| 07:39.25 | ibot | ACTION replaces Supaplex with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 07:39.36 | lakshmi | sjansen is that like bzflag? |
| 07:39.42 | sjansen | roughly |
| 07:39.55 | sjansen | For the bzflag fans there's... |
| 07:40.03 | sjansen | ~bzfrag Sargun |
| 07:40.04 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill Sargun, but Sargun finds the shield flag |
| 07:40.09 | sjansen | bummer |
| 07:40.17 | lakshmi | ~smack sargun |
| 07:40.18 | ibot | ACTION smacks sargun upside the head. |
| 07:40.18 | Supaplex | ~bzfrag Sargun |
| 07:40.19 | ibot | ACTION destroys Sargun with a guided missile |
| 07:40.26 | Supaplex | YEAW! |
| 07:40.50 | sjansen | ~whaleslap Sargun |
| 07:40.50 | ibot | ACTION beats Sargun upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 07:41.21 | Sargun | o.O |
| 07:41.41 | Sargun | more mcnabbs are here |
| 07:42.08 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 07:42.09 | ibot | :), sjansen |
| 08:00.45 | rsimpkins | I am ready to scream. |
| 08:01.05 | rsimpkins | The spam is finally beyond managable. I've had a 150% increase in spam today. |
| 08:01.29 | rsimpkins | I'm going to go with a challenge response I think. |
| 08:01.47 | rsimpkins | I just need to figure out how to deal with mailing lists, and I think I'm good. |
| 08:02.01 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Yeah- there are headers for that. |
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| 14:00.27 | Supaplex | monday. and morning. not the two most favorite words for many :) |
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| 15:14.24 | ^Migs^ | I rather enjoy starting a fresh new week after a nice weekend |
| 15:15.11 | findlay | oh sure |
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| 15:19.01 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to get Nautilus to look like Windows Explorer? |
| 15:19.31 | ^Migs^ | or another file manager I can set as the default that can be customized to look like MS's Explorer |
| 15:21.10 | vontrapp | i enjoy starting a fresh new weekend after a nice week |
| 15:24.10 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: what exactly do you need? |
| 15:24.43 | vontrapp | do you need the little shortcuts on the side for searching and going to control panel and such? or simply shortcuts on the side, not necessarily the exact same ones? |
| 15:25.01 | ^Migs^ | I'm messing around with an idea of creating an Ubuntu Linux desktop that looks, feels, and behaves like Windows, and loads single Windows programs seamlessly from a remote terminal server using the latest rdesktop |
| 15:25.05 | goozbach | jsmith-away: you're on my video as a heckler |
| 15:25.18 | vontrapp | single window browsing? an address bar? |
| 15:25.27 | vontrapp | icons that look the same? |
| 15:25.52 | vontrapp | nothing is going to look exactly the same |
| 15:26.01 | ^Migs^ | it would be CONSIDERABLE cost savings to my charter school if I can create something that an average user could figure out easily |
| 15:26.03 | ^Migs^ | I agree. |
| 15:26.07 | vontrapp | but nautilus can be pretty close with the right icon theme |
| 15:26.33 | ^Migs^ | what about the tree on the left pane? |
| 15:26.33 | vontrapp | i don't see why it has to look the same, it's still the same concept |
| 15:26.45 | vontrapp | click on a folder, it opens and shows you the contents |
| 15:26.48 | ^Migs^ | because I have to convince the principal and the board members |
| 15:26.55 | ^Migs^ | all who come from very Microsoft-centric educational backgrounds |
| 15:27.19 | vontrapp | the everage user doesn't use the tree view on the left pane, but i think you can get that in at least some file managers |
| 15:27.24 | vontrapp | not sure about nautilus |
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| 15:27.57 | ^Migs^ | I don't think that's true that they don't use it, but nonetheless if at least 20% of my users will, I think it should be present |
| 15:28.06 | ^Migs^ | what are some other file managers I should look at? |
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| 15:28.25 | vontrapp | midnight commander :p |
| 15:28.47 | ^Migs^ | doesn't necessarily have to be for GNOME |
| 15:29.32 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 15:29.40 | ^Migs^ | well, I'd use it |
| 15:30.47 | Supaplex | bash ;) |
| 15:34.14 | elg | thaddeusq: i left a response on my blog |
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| 15:36.42 | thaddeusq | elg: well worded. I don't play an instrument. :) |
| 15:37.27 | elg | more people are familiar with sports and exercise, which is why I used that example in the body, but to lesser effect alas |
| 15:37.58 | thaddeusq | elg: I just look at it as I always tell my kids, If you do your best, that is enough. |
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| 15:38.58 | thaddeusq | and I don't think that "doing your best" means doing it perfect time after time. |
| 15:39.14 | elg | absolutely |
| 15:39.18 | thaddeusq | My best today, may not be my best tomorrow, and vice versa |
| 15:39.22 | elg | that's really the thrust of what I'm failing to say |
| 15:39.41 | elg | you go out and do your best (try) every day |
| 15:39.44 | elg | you don't go out and be perfect (do) every day |
| 15:39.57 | thaddeusq | elg: I agree 100% with that. |
| 15:40.29 | thaddeusq | BTW, I also hate the whole "try to lift this rock" thing. |
| 15:40.52 | elg | this post was prompted by the perennial favorite of the anti-try crowd - the "i will go and do" scripture |
| 15:40.57 | elg | in sunday school |
| 15:41.25 | thaddeusq | elg: probably why I love reading Robert Kirby's column so much. |
| 15:41.32 | elg | of course, nephi did the same thing we're describing. he went out and did his best (to accomplish and also to exercise the faith). they messed up twice before they got it right |
| 15:41.54 | elg | not familiar with him |
| 15:42.24 | thaddeusq | http://www.sltrib.com/columnists |
| 15:42.33 | thaddeusq | lower left area of that page. |
| 15:43.29 | thaddeusq | http://tinyurl.com/2egqls is one in particular that I like. |
| 15:44.18 | thaddeusq | To quote: "Sooner or later in an LDS ward, we all get a chance to get up and drive everyone else nuts." |
| 15:53.58 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 16:34.47 | elg | sometimes I get far too excited about a new password |
| 16:34.57 | elg | pwgen can spit out some real gems |
| 16:35.10 | elg | ~pwgen |
| 16:35.18 | dmdavis | elg: so, what is your new password? |
| 16:35.22 | elg | sh: pwgen: command not found |
| 16:35.38 | elg | riezekuu |
| 16:35.39 | elg | ooteirah |
| 16:35.40 | elg | iengophe |
| 16:35.41 | elg | seixoife |
| 16:35.45 | elg | jihebowa |
| 16:35.47 | elg | maybe it's one of those |
| 16:35.54 | elg | ;-) |
| 16:36.35 | elg | eriequie |
| 16:36.35 | elg | eitaeroh |
| 16:36.35 | elg | komuzauc |
| 16:36.35 | elg | hatahrie |
| 16:36.35 | elg | keehahph |
| 16:36.48 | elg | grumble. I wanted them on the same line |
| 16:36.57 | elg | deiwiedu eyohshuf leveejoh shaghuyo oongairo |
| 16:37.00 | elg | w00t |
| 16:37.07 | elg | chooheil saicooqu ahceivii ohmainab raimezei veeseive moyamidi eefutuis |
| 16:37.09 | elg | quohghee iegaezoh haimuuch oojaapho noocooru uejiegig quohvoht |
| 16:37.23 | elg | perfect. now does xchat let me make that into a macro or something... |
| 16:37.35 | elg | i could write a brac plugin I guess |
| 16:37.53 | elg | and of course I'd only use it for suggesting passwords for dmdavis |
| 16:37.57 | elg | and maybe emcanbb |
| 16:38.01 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 16:38.01 | ibot | --purges emcnabb |
| 16:38.22 | Supaplex | real men use head -c 12 /dev/random for their password |
| 16:38.23 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 16:38.23 | ibot | steals elg's mojo |
| 16:38.30 | dmdavis | I made my password back in '95. I don't need one from you. |
| 16:38.34 | elg | heh. "-v Do not use any vowels so as to avoid accidental nasty words" |
| 16:39.18 | elg | that would seriously ruin the coolness of the passwords |
| 16:40.39 | dmdavis | I bet the easiest passwords to remember are the ones with accidental nasty words |
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| 16:43.12 | elg | here's a question for yas. obviously it's a Good Idea™ to change your ssh key passphrase periodically |
| 16:43.20 | elg | but need one actually generate a new key too? |
| 16:43.30 | elg | assuming you have no suspicion that the private key has been lost |
| 16:44.09 | Supaplex | can't hurt |
| 16:44.29 | elg | except that it'd be a royal pain |
| 16:44.39 | elg | to change the key in all your authorized_keys places |
| 16:45.19 | bonez44 | elg: are you worried your key has been compromised/ |
| 16:45.24 | elg | nope |
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| 16:52.27 | vontrapp | wiki suggestions? |
| 16:56.23 | vontrapp | ouch! |
| 16:56.30 | fozzmoo | TWiki? |
| 16:56.36 | fozzmoo | Mediawiki? |
| 16:56.46 | vontrapp | don't sneeze with dry lips, my giant sneeze just gave me a nasty split |
| 16:57.06 | vontrapp | it stings |
| 16:57.08 | elg | ~kiss vontrapp |
| 16:57.09 | ibot | ACTION forces vontrapp to give Sargun a big kiss on the ear |
| 16:57.35 | vontrapp | wow, earwax is surprisingly soothing |
| 16:58.03 | dmdavis | OK, that was a gross thing to say |
| 16:58.06 | goozbach | ummm... |
| 16:58.27 | goozbach | desperate times desprate measures? |
| 16:58.29 | vontrapp | hey, i was forced... |
| 16:58.50 | dmdavis | I guess it's like the old peeing on a jelly fish sting... |
| 16:59.05 | ^Migs^ | it's just a natural remedy |
| 16:59.33 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure boogers make a great lubricant |
| 16:59.43 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Hi |
| 17:00.04 | vontrapp | so, my wiki needs, i want something where the data can be run out of my home directory |
| 17:00.45 | elg | instiki |
| 17:03.14 | goozbach | fozzmoo: de rein |
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| 17:25.09 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: but how sure are you? |
| 17:29.59 | rsimpkins | elg: I am sure it would be trivial to write a simple script that updated all the keys for you. |
| 17:30.44 | rsimpkins | elg: I would scp over the new authorized keys file using the exising private key, then switch. :) |
| 17:32.12 | rsimpkins | for x in $(cat server_list); do scp -i /my/old/id new_authorized_keys $USER@$x:~/.ssh/authorized_keys; done --- something like that, althought not tested. |
| 17:32.26 | Supaplex | ssh-copy-id |
| 17:32.29 | rsimpkins | Too slow today. |
| 17:32.45 | rsimpkins | Supaplex: Someone already make one? |
| 17:33.05 | Supaplex | well, at least, it's in debian |
| 17:33.57 | Supaplex | ssh-copy-id (1) - install your identity.pub in a remote machine's authorized_keys |
| 17:34.13 | rsimpkins | That would store the new one, but not remove the old one. If you care about cruft in the authorized_keys file. :) |
| 17:34.54 | Supaplex | ahh yes. |
| 17:35.40 | Supaplex | and cat server_list | while read x ; do ... ; done works when the textfile is bigger than your commandline can swallow |
| 17:36.08 | Supaplex | not a biggie. just an old habbit :) |
| 17:44.50 | elg | rsimpkins: no, the authorized_keys files could wildly differ |
| 17:45.31 | rsimpkins | Supaplex: Good point. |
| 17:45.42 | rsimpkins | elg: Ahh, then that is the key issue. |
| 17:45.53 | rsimpkins | elg: Need to find a way to make them consistent some how. :) |
| 17:51.34 | lakshmi | hi |
| 17:58.29 | Sargun | Hi all |
| 17:59.54 | dmdavis | Sargun: sup |
| 18:01.06 | lakshmi | hi sargun |
| 18:01.08 | lakshmi | aim? |
| 18:01.39 | Sargun | dmdavis, not much, you? |
| 18:02.03 | dmdavis | Sargun: messing around a bit with Paul Graham's new language, Arc |
| 18:02.59 | dmdavis | Sargun: although, ironically, I'm creating a web page in Java (gwt) documenting the Arc functions, and getting the functions by parsing the arc files using ruby |
| 18:03.14 | dmdavis | don't tell anyone on the Arc forums that I'm not using Arc for my Arc tasks :) |
| 18:04.56 | Sargun | dmdavis, Arc is interesting. |
| 18:05.13 | Sargun | Can't you use something mature, useful, easy, and developed, like CherryPY? |
| 18:05.55 | lakshmi | huh? |
| 18:06.11 | dmdavis | sure, I'm just curious about Arc. I've wanted to try it out for a long time, since I read about it on his site |
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| 18:15.15 | emcnabb | dmdavis, always on the bleeding edge - you're the first person I ever met running Gentoo :-) |
| 18:15.43 | dmdavis | emcnabb: :) everyone else was using RedHat or Mandrake. I had to try something different. |
| 18:15.53 | emcnabb | haha |
| 18:16.01 | emcnabb | well, I only lasted 3 years |
| 18:16.12 | dmdavis | emcnabb: what are you using now? |
| 18:16.16 | emcnabb | back to Fedora / CentOS / RHEL for me |
| 18:16.35 | emcnabb | dmdavis, I work at Red Hat now |
| 18:16.40 | rsimpkins | Someone has to try the new languages. :) |
| 18:16.45 | dmdavis | emcnabb: ah, that makes sense |
| 18:16.58 | emcnabb | dmdavis, I'd still use them, even if I didn't work here though :-) |
| 18:17.43 | dmdavis | emcnabb: I'm still on gentoo even though it's mainstream, but I think I want to switch to Debian |
| 18:18.07 | emcnabb | dmdavis, gentoo lost its flare a while back (at least for me) |
| 18:18.22 | Sargun | Gentoo did lose a lot of its sexyness a while ago. |
| 18:18.22 | emcnabb | I had so many problems with it, and the costs of messing with it weren't paying off |
| 18:18.29 | dmdavis | emcnabb: I agree. I only use it now because it's comfortable |
| 18:18.47 | Sargun | But they added a bunch of neat things that I could only find in debian/FreeBSD |
| 18:19.02 | dmdavis | emcnabb: when I'm scared to update my packages, because my system may no longer be usable, that's a problem |
| 18:19.02 | Sargun | like a package manager with every package out there compiled yourself how you want it |
| 18:19.26 | emcnabb | exactly |
| 18:19.34 | Sargun | dmdavis, when you do that you quickpkg the package |
| 18:19.43 | Sargun | emerge a new package, and you're happy |
| 18:19.57 | Sargun | if something breaks, emerge -C and eemerge from binary |
| 18:20.50 | dmdavis | yeah, it's fixable, it's just a hassle and shouldn't be happening, imho |
| 18:21.03 | Sargun | I've had worse dependency problems with CentOS |
| 18:21.47 | emcnabb | all distros have dependency issues |
| 18:25.02 | ^Migs^ | BRAMPTON, Ont. . A high-school student in Brampton, Ont., has been expelled after writing a fictional essay about a disgruntled student who kills a teacher. |
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| 18:30.49 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Yeah, about right. :) |
| 18:30.56 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Surprised he's not in jail also. |
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| 18:34.25 | Sargun | ^Migs^, haha |
| 18:34.52 | Sargun | elg, probably would be commited to a mental institution |
| 18:35.05 | Sargun | rsimpkins, you think he should be in jail? |
| 18:35.25 | rsimpkins | Sargun: I'm saying that kids have been arrested for stuff like that. Didn't say I think it is right. |
| 18:35.44 | Sargun | rsimpkins, Well, you do think he should be in jail? |
| 18:36.01 | Sargun | rsimpkins, And arrested doesn't equal jail |
| 18:36.14 | rsimpkins | I don't think I have enough info to know. |
| 18:36.39 | Sargun | Well, under what conditions |
| 18:36.44 | Sargun | should he get sent to jail |
| 18:36.57 | ^Migs^ | I think the kid was stupid, but also that the school overreacted |
| 18:37.09 | ^Migs^ | especially since the kid issued an apology |
| 18:41.05 | lakshmi | hey ya'll |
| 18:42.09 | Sargun | ^Migs^, schools tend to be nazi-like in their disciplinary methods |
| 18:42.20 | elg | any eclipse gurus here? |
| 18:42.21 | Sargun | fast and brutal to strike |
| 18:43.00 | macnewbold | elg: thebigdog in #uphpu is the only eclipse guru I know |
| 18:43.24 | elg | i am wondering if there's a relatively simple way to assign a file to stdin for every run |
| 18:43.44 | vontrapp | Sargun: he said nothing about *should*, just that he probably *would* |
| 18:44.00 | elg | or some other way to redirect a file to stdin within eclipse, without fishing for the binary in ~/workspace/foo/Debug |
| 18:44.14 | vontrapp | i think the kid should neither be disciplined nor should he apologize |
| 18:44.57 | macnewbold | it was obviously written as fiction, was it not? Granted, there are some things that aren't appropriate, but I can think of a lot worse. |
| 18:45.17 | vontrapp | he may be stupid for not knowing what might happen as a result |
| 18:45.23 | Sargun | vontrapp, I am asking his opinion |
| 18:45.31 | vontrapp | then again, he may be making a point |
| 18:45.50 | vontrapp | in which case he might have gone in knowing full well what would happen |
| 18:46.06 | Sargun | vontrapp, Uh, I mean a psychological evaluation wouldn't hurt. |
| 18:46.55 | vontrapp | people write novels about murder and death all the time, nobody psychs them... |
| 18:51.40 | Sargun | vontrapp, but not many of them were 12-23 years old |
| 18:51.55 | Sargun | Why not just check for hormone levels |
| 18:52.04 | Sargun | psychopathic tendencies |
| 18:52.20 | vontrapp | personally, i would inform the parents and let them decide whether or not to be worried |
| 18:53.47 | Sargun | Yeah, that might work too |
| 18:54.00 | Sargun | Expulsion, and making an example of him is just a terrible move. |
| 18:54.13 | Sargun | Well, the kid must not have been too popular so it wouldn't really hurt |
| 18:54.28 | Sargun | I mean, if nobody was that into the kid, nobody would really care. |
| 18:54.33 | vontrapp | why do you say that? |
| 18:54.35 | Sargun | [at the school] |
| 18:54.52 | Sargun | Schools are harsher on the unpopular kids |
| 18:55.04 | vontrapp | a kid who writes an essay about murdur must be unpopular? |
| 18:55.28 | vontrapp | *murder |
| 18:56.37 | Sargun | no, but I'm saying that it might not cause a large reaction if the kid was unpopular |
| 18:57.02 | Sargun | therefore the didn't need to be afraid of the response from his peers |
| 18:57.05 | vontrapp | "the kid must not have been too popular" |
| 18:57.52 | Sargun | Yeah, for expulsion |
| 18:58.10 | Sargun | my guess is that they wouldn't want to expel a popular, influential kid |
| 18:58.11 | vontrapp | so now only unpopular kids can be expelled |
| 18:58.22 | Sargun | No, but they are more likely to be expelled |
| 18:58.38 | Sargun | you see more expelled people who are outcasts |
| 18:58.43 | vontrapp | ok, maybe so, i've never been to highschool so i wouldnt' know |
| 18:58.44 | Sargun | ^Migs^, was he in Middle/High |
| 19:00.28 | ^Migs^ | 12th grade |
| 19:01.04 | ^Migs^ | if unpopular kids don't want to be harassed by the school administration, they shouldn't be so weird |
| 19:02.03 | Sargun | ^Migs^, hehe. |
| 19:02.15 | Sargun | mheath was an unpopular kid, and uh.. |
| 19:02.21 | Sargun | nevermind, bad example. :-P |
| 19:02.29 | ^Migs^ | I've seen no mention of the parents suing. This indicates to me they're probably proper parents and are upset with their son, and don't really blame the school even though they think they overreacted. |
| 19:02.43 | vontrapp | of course, the school is an organization, and so can expel anyone they want |
| 19:02.44 | Sargun | The school should be sued IMHO |
| 19:02.47 | ^Migs^ | and good parents always raise good kids. |
| 19:03.01 | ^Migs^ | that doesn't stop most people, vontrapp |
| 19:03.04 | Sargun | Well ^Migs^ did he write the assignment for the school |
| 19:03.10 | ^Migs^ | yes, it was part of his homework |
| 19:03.12 | Sargun | oh. |
| 19:03.16 | ^Migs^ | creative writing |
| 19:03.16 | Sargun | That's a bad idea |
| 19:03.30 | ^Migs^ | his essay sounds like it was very creative |
| 19:03.30 | Sargun | Ok, maybe that's a bad idea then... |
| 19:03.35 | Sargun | Hahha |
| 19:03.38 | Sargun | Creatively expelling. |
| 19:03.49 | vontrapp | being a *public* organization lends it to public scrutiny |
| 19:03.53 | ^Migs^ | I think part of creativity can be challenging the norms |
| 19:04.11 | vontrapp | but there's no *right* for the kid to not be expelled |
| 19:04.59 | Sargun | vontrapp, Yeah, well I thought the essay was written off-campus on his own time |
| 19:05.02 | Sargun | on his personal blog |
| 19:05.05 | Sargun | or newsletter |
| 19:05.08 | Sargun | or amongst friends |
| 19:05.17 | Sargun | but the teacher-killing essay is really classical |
| 19:05.20 | vontrapp | nobody writes essays for the heck of it |
| 19:05.20 | Sargun | er |
| 19:05.22 | Sargun | classic |
| 19:05.25 | vontrapp | at least not in high school |
| 19:05.41 | Sargun | Uh, that's not true. |
| 19:06.29 | Sargun | I know several people who wrote essays just for fun |
| 19:06.36 | Sargun | or semi-organized blogs |
| 19:06.41 | Sargun | which are not != |
| 19:06.45 | vontrapp | actually, by very definition, if it's not written for the heck of it, then it's not an essay |
| 19:06.46 | ^Migs^ | and those kids were unpopular |
| 19:06.51 | Sargun | oh. |
| 19:06.55 | Sargun | Heh! |
| 19:07.07 | ^Migs^ | so that would've been even further damning to him if he had written it on his own |
| 19:07.07 | vontrapp | but then school and essay in the same sentence implies a more obtuse definition of essay |
| 19:08.28 | rsimpkins | I'm going to write an essay about a guy who kills a priniciple after expelling a boy from school for writting an essay about killing a teacher. |
| 19:08.35 | rsimpkins | Totally fictional, of course. |
| 19:09.20 | vontrapp | was the teacher-killing a result of expulsion? |
| 19:09.58 | rsimpkins | Bah, I just need to stick to perl. |
| 19:10.21 | rsimpkins | I'll write a Perl script that threatens the bank account of the school board! Yeah! :) |
| 19:10.29 | rsimpkins | A FICTIONAL script! |
| 19:11.04 | Sargun | Hehe |
| 19:11.36 | Sargun | rsimpkins, Telling the school about an exploit in their computer systems can get you suspended/a parent-teacher conference |
| 19:12.16 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Yes, but telling them of a fictional exploit could too! :) |
| 19:12.28 | vontrapp | ah, i can't wait till i have kids in school and i get to go to PTC |
| 19:13.16 | rsimpkins | I'm not sending my kids to deal with that mess. I want my kids to be able to write a story about whatever they want. |
| 19:13.49 | Sargun | o.O |
| 19:13.50 | rsimpkins | If one of my children wants to be a horror writter, then I want him/her to be the best at it they can be. Teacher killings and all. |
| 19:13.52 | Sargun | Private School? |
| 19:14.01 | Sargun | uh, home school? |
| 19:14.08 | Sargun | rsimpkins, home school your kid(s) |
| 19:14.14 | vontrapp | i would just encourage my kids to challenge the system |
| 19:14.29 | rsimpkins | I want my kids to CONTROl the system - not challenge it. :) |
| 19:14.33 | Sargun | vontrapp, Uh, challenging the system is a bad idea in most cases. |
| 19:14.35 | vontrapp | haha |
| 19:14.39 | Sargun | in public schools |
| 19:14.47 | vontrapp | why? it's just school |
| 19:15.00 | vontrapp | so what if they get expelled |
| 19:15.15 | vontrapp | that's a valuable lesson in itself |
| 19:15.51 | Sargun | haha |
| 19:15.58 | Sargun | vontrapp, moving schools isn't fun |
| 19:16.08 | vontrapp | so that's a lesson they can learn |
| 19:16.32 | rsimpkins | I'm going to assume my kids will be expelled from public-school right off the bat, and not even bother with the hassle. :) |
| 19:16.51 | Sargun | Haahah |
| 19:17.16 | Sargun | Well, if you have daughters it might be a good idea to keep them away from public schools |
| 19:17.21 | vontrapp | if my kid gets expelled for something stupid, then he'll have a hard time going to a new school with no sympathy from me |
| 19:17.23 | Sargun | Try to get them expelled in middle school |
| 19:17.47 | vontrapp | if he gets expelled for something noteworthy, he'll have a hard time moving schools with full sympathy from me |
| 19:18.50 | Sargun | vontrapp, do you have daughters |
| 19:18.55 | vontrapp | nothing yet |
| 19:18.58 | Sargun | oh |
| 19:18.59 | Sargun | good. |
| 19:19.04 | Sargun | Well |
| 19:19.12 | Sargun | Daughters -> Won't get in too much trouble |
| 19:19.18 | Sargun | Mostly good |
| 19:19.25 | Sargun | If they become social, worries -> |
| 19:19.27 | Sargun | -Boys |
| 19:19.29 | Sargun | -Money |
| 19:19.37 | rsimpkins | My daughters will be firearms experts. Just TRY messing with them. |
| 19:19.39 | Sargun | All the other nasty things out there |
| 19:19.45 | Sargun | rsimpkins, you do that. |
| 19:19.50 | vontrapp | martial arts, too |
| 19:19.57 | Sargun | JuJitsu. |
| 19:20.17 | rsimpkins | My oldest daughter can already kick some butt. |
| 19:20.47 | vontrapp | batleth expert |
| 19:20.48 | Sargun | Ah, how old? |
| 19:20.52 | lakshmi | Sargun u should do that |
| 19:21.05 | Sargun | Jujitsu, TaeKwonDo |
| 19:21.07 | Sargun | Aikido |
| 19:21.24 | Sargun | Let's see, what else can help |
| 19:21.37 | rsimpkins | She is 4, and is a pretty tough little 4 year old. :) |
| 19:21.58 | rsimpkins | Of course, having 3 roudy brothers probably helps. :) |
| 19:22.52 | Sargun | Oh yeah, surround them with boys at a young age |
| 19:23.02 | lakshmi | lol |
| 19:23.08 | Sargun | The unruliest, most immature boys you can find. |
| 19:23.55 | Sargun | Give them a firearm before a hairbrush |
| 19:24.00 | Sargun | and a laptop before lipstick |
| 19:24.15 | Sargun | Make sure the laptop cannot do X11, but only console |
| 19:24.22 | Sargun | but get a 100 mbit/sec pipe to the house |
| 19:24.43 | Sargun | Hm. |
| 19:25.15 | Sargun | Get them a motorcycle |
| 19:25.19 | Sargun | at the age of 13 |
| 19:25.32 | Sargun | That's the way |
| 19:25.47 | Sargun | See, if parents just raised their daughters right, they wouldn't turn out like lakshmi |
| 19:25.48 | Sargun | :-P |
| 19:26.02 | vontrapp | and give her lutfisk before lolipops |
| 19:26.23 | Sargun | Also, DO NOT listen to me while raising a child. Otherwise they may resemble me |
| 19:26.26 | Sargun | Which would be BAD |
| 19:26.29 | Sargun | For the both of us |
| 19:26.55 | lakshmi | Sargun i think one of you is more than enough |
| 19:26.56 | lakshmi | :P |
| 19:28.51 | Sargun | Anyways, if you want your daughters to be slightly insane, rampaging, and possibly successful in the business world, then listening to me could be a good idea |
| 19:29.30 | ^Migs^ | that's a difficult decision |
| 19:30.03 | Sargun | Is it now? |
| 19:30.08 | ^Migs^ | I could have a daughter who's a hellraiser in her childhood, but I would rest assured that she'd enjoy a lifetime of success |
| 19:30.09 | Sargun | ^Migs^, do you have children |
| 19:30.34 | ^Migs^ | Or I could spare myself 18 years of agony but know that she won't achieve her full potential |
| 19:30.39 | ^Migs^ | I have two daughters |
| 19:30.46 | ^Migs^ | my oldest just turned 5 yesterday |
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| 19:31.04 | Sargun | cool. |
| 19:34.03 | lakshmi | Sargun your kid would be scary |
| 19:34.10 | nick125 | Very. |
| 19:34.58 | lakshmi | im scared for those of us that would have to know it |
| 19:41.39 | nick125 | Who ever wants to bet that the next MVNO to go down the proverbial toilet? |
| 19:41.44 | nick125 | is Helio. |
| 19:41.45 | nick125 | lol |
| 19:42.14 | nick125 | It sounds to me that they are very despirate for more subscribers since Earthlink pulled out |
| 19:44.18 | nick125 | They're now offering unlimited* everything for $100. |
| 19:45.06 | Sargun | nick125, hey |
| 19:45.19 | nick125 | I smell another false advertising lawsuit. |
| 19:45.31 | nick125 | Since Helio's EvDO usage is limited to 160MB a month. |
| 19:45.47 | findlay | heh |
| 19:45.51 | Sargun | they go and failover to CDMA? |
| 19:46.19 | nick125 | No, they will terminate service if you go over, according to the ToS |
| 19:46.46 | nick125 | We reserve the right to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone who uses Helio service in any manner prohibited above or whose usage as determined by Helio is excessive or abusive that detrimentally impacts our service or network. Generally, excessive or abusive usage is characterized by monthly EVDO data usage of 160 megabytes or more. Wi-Fi usage is unlimited unless otherwise stated for a particular product or service. |
| 19:47.33 | nick125 | I wouldn't be surprised if they got a binding arbitration lawsuit too |
| 19:49.48 | Sargun | uh |
| 19:51.05 | Sargun | its unlimited |
| 19:51.27 | nick125 | no |
| 19:51.33 | nick125 | It's unlimited* |
| 19:52.02 | nick125 | you forgot the asterisk at the end :) |
| 19:52.15 | Sargun | haha |
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| 19:55.08 | Sargun | emcnabb, Hey |
| 19:55.41 | nick125 | I wonder who's going to buy Sprint when they fold.. |
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| 19:57.24 | Sargun | Sprint won't fold |
| 19:57.25 | Sargun | and google |
| 19:57.28 | Sargun | haha |
| 19:57.44 | nick125 | Sprint is on the list of four companies that aren't expected to be around next year. |
| 19:58.43 | Sargun | o.O |
| 19:58.54 | nick125 | http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/4-Companies-That-Could-Disappear-By-Years-End-91444 |
| 19:58.59 | brac | [4 Companies That Could Disappear By YearÂ’s End - Change may be in the air - dslreports.com] |
| 19:59.22 | nick125 | AMD, Motorola, Qwest and Sprint. |
| 19:59.53 | Sargun | Motorola? |
| 19:59.54 | Sargun | AMD? |
| 20:00.01 | Sargun | Motorola won't dissapear |
| 20:00.11 | Sargun | I'll put $50 on it |
| 20:00.27 | nick125 | The article is saying that Samsuck will buy out Motorola |
| 20:01.39 | nick125 | Here's my thinking: Samsuck might buy out Motorola's cell phone division. |
| 20:02.23 | nick125 | And leave the rest of motorola |
| 20:02.39 | nick125 | Since there are rumours that Motorola is going to get rid of their handset division. |
| 20:04.57 | Sargun | Please do |
| 20:05.38 | nick125 | I hope motorola just entirely gets rid of their handset division |
| 20:05.41 | nick125 | and burns it to the ground |
| 20:07.26 | nick125 | I hope samsung does the same. |
| 20:07.36 | nick125 | But, if we got everything we'd wished for....well.. |
| 20:08.33 | nick125 | Motorola, Samsung and every other vendor that makes crap phones wouldn't exist |
| 20:13.57 | Sargun | I mean Moto has some decent technology in their HandSet Division |
| 20:13.58 | Sargun | they have |
| 20:14.00 | Sargun | .. |
| 20:14.08 | Sargun | the ROKR |
| 20:14.09 | Sargun | and the RAZR |
| 20:14.11 | Sargun | and the ROCK |
| 20:14.13 | Sargun | and the STONE |
| 20:14.16 | Sargun | er |
| 20:14.18 | Sargun | PEBL |
| 20:14.35 | Sargun | KRZR |
| 20:14.39 | Sargun | MAZER |
| 20:14.44 | Sargun | ~phaser nick125 |
| 20:14.50 | Sargun | ~phase nick125 |
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| 20:21.39 | Sargun | ~zap nick125 |
| 20:21.40 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives nick125 a good jolt. |
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| 20:40.59 | lakshmi | hey |
| 20:41.04 | lakshmi | sargun! |
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| 20:55.55 | Supaplex | hey |
| 20:56.01 | Supaplex | foodie time! |
| 20:56.14 | Sargun | Foodies? |
| 20:56.24 | Supaplex | $fewd |
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| 21:07.19 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to simulate device plug-and-play ability in Linux with popup windows, like Windows does? For example, if I stick in a CD or USB drive, is there something I could use to auto-open a dialog, or even just open up a filebrowser automatically? |
| 21:07.58 | herlo | I saw a really cool demo on autodetection of external monitors this morning. Pretty cool stuff... |
| 21:08.07 | Sargun | yeah |
| 21:08.12 | Sargun | ^Migs^, why |
| 21:09.12 | ^Migs^ | trying to make Linux behave like Windows for non-Linux users |
| 21:09.36 | findlay | I think ubuntu already does that |
| 21:09.42 | ^Migs^ | I just tried it in Ubuntu, and it doesn't |
| 21:10.02 | ^Migs^ | there might be some option you just "turn on" to allow it |
| 21:10.21 | ^Migs^ | a dialog similar to Windows' "What do you want to do?" would be ideal |
| 21:11.31 | rsimpkins | NO NO NO |
| 21:11.33 | ^Migs^ | actually, that would be dumb, never mind |
| 21:11.34 | acrid | kubuntu does it |
| 21:11.36 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 21:11.37 | rsimpkins | plug.org is having disk issues! |
| 21:11.47 | rsimpkins | EXT3-fs error (device hda1): ext3_free_blocks: Freeing blocks not in datazone - block = 151495825, count = 1 |
| 21:12.00 | rsimpkins | rebooting. |
| 21:12.04 | ^Migs^ | kubuntu might be great, then |
| 21:12.16 | ^Migs^ | KDE seems to be more Windows-like anyway |
| 21:13.08 | rsimpkins | elg: You give me the server for a week and I break it already! :) |
| 21:13.16 | rsimpkins | Not even a week, a few days. |
| 21:13.23 | goozbach | what happend to the jabber plug server! |
| 21:13.28 | rsimpkins | IT IS DOWN |
| 21:13.32 | rsimpkins | rebooting. |
| 21:13.45 | rsimpkins | :( |
| 21:14.01 | rsimpkins | This is not enterprise class hardware, is it? :) |
| 21:14.31 | ^Migs^ | see, now I would have no idea what to do in that situation |
| 21:14.42 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I was cleaning up a huge mess with the mailman lists, and while deleting thousands of old pck files ext3 mounted read only. |
| 21:15.01 | rsimpkins | goozbach: Going to reboot which should force a fsck - might need to have someone run down there and babye sit it. |
| 21:15.32 | rsimpkins | Doesn't seem to want to go down though. |
| 21:17.13 | rsimpkins | Of course, it is partitioned with / |
| 21:17.18 | rsimpkins | If we only had seperate partitions. |
| 21:18.30 | herlo | rsimpkins: why don't you? |
| 21:18.45 | rsimpkins | herlo: Don't I what? |
| 21:19.00 | rsimpkins | If I had the hardware, I would be happy to. |
| 21:19.02 | herlo | rsimpkins: have separate partitions |
| 21:19.25 | rsimpkins | I might be able to swing us some decent gear. Maybe an old DL360G3 or something. |
| 21:20.08 | rsimpkins | finally |
| 21:20.13 | rsimpkins | sheesh debian - not impressive. |
| 21:20.27 | rsimpkins | Total freak out just cause / is ro. |
| 21:20.27 | herlo | rsimpkins: what? |
| 21:20.35 | herlo | haha |
| 21:21.09 | rsimpkins | Where is this server hosted? At united online? |
| 21:21.25 | rsimpkins | If so, plug might be down until Jason can get in there and fiddle. |
| 21:21.28 | herlo | that'd be a good question |
| 21:21.41 | Sargun | nick125, In your opinion how do you say sorry to a girl? |
| 21:21.48 | herlo | Sargun: sorry |
| 21:22.01 | rsimpkins | I noticed a memory error on that box too, on the 2nd. |
| 21:22.24 | rsimpkins | Looks like the kernel caught it though, and made an exception. |
| 21:22.52 | rsimpkins | There were 15,000 mailmain-sitewide list pck files. |
| 21:23.17 | rsimpkins | I know plug.org is backed up - I hope the list is backed up some place. |
| 21:23.46 | sontek | its backed up in my inbox! ;) |
| 21:24.03 | rsimpkins | sontek: There are like 5 lists on there actualy. |
| 21:26.03 | *** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | PLUG server is down (no web, jabber, or e-mail) due to a disk error. Stand by. |
| 21:28.09 | Sargun | :-( |
| 21:29.09 | rsimpkins | I think someone needs to poke it physically. |
| 21:29.19 | Jayce^ | disk erro? |
| 21:29.21 | Jayce^ | error.. |
| 21:29.25 | rsimpkins | Probably sitting at a prompt waiting for someone to kick it. |
| 21:29.25 | Jayce^ | yipee |
| 21:29.33 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Go fsck / please. :) |
| 21:29.45 | Jayce^ | fsck you :-p |
| 21:30.02 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Not my fault there were 15,000 pck files clogging up the works! :) |
| 21:30.17 | rsimpkins | the tubes are for sure clogged today. |
| 21:31.55 | Sargun | ORLY? |
| 21:31.57 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Is this box at United Online? |
| 21:33.02 | sontek | Thats what we get for giving rsimpkins access to it! ;) |
| 21:33.19 | sontek | Hes used to omniture tubes! They don't clog as easily |
| 21:33.24 | rsimpkins | It sensed a change in the force, and freaked out. |
| 21:33.51 | rsimpkins | I'm going to change the plug hostname to 'see-threepio' |
| 21:34.34 | rsimpkins | Actually, who has more bugs. see-threpio, or r2d2? |
| 21:34.45 | dataw0lf | r2d2 |
| 21:35.20 | rsimpkins | arrtwodeetwo.plug.org |
| 21:36.15 | rsimpkins | woot, up |
| 21:36.23 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Thank you sir |
| 21:37.34 | *** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | PLUG server is UP. |
| 21:37.45 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, it technically is here, eg, not at our hosting locations, but here in this building |
| 21:38.02 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.07 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, might want to look at dropping it again, and doing a fsck.. |
| 21:38.20 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: You didn't fsck? |
| 21:38.24 | rsimpkins | or did it not fsck? |
| 21:38.32 | Jayce^ | didn't have root |
| 21:38.33 | goozbach | he didn't fsck!? |
| 21:38.38 | rsimpkins | oh. |
| 21:38.58 | goozbach | ok he's not in trouble then |
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| 21:39.22 | goozbach | now it's rsimpkins's fault again |
| 21:39.36 | nick125 | Sargun: hi |
| 21:39.38 | rsimpkins | It is? |
| 21:39.42 | Sargun | nick125, hi |
| 21:40.01 | nick125 | Sargun: Who are you trying to say sorry to would be the first question |
| 21:40.09 | *** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | PLUG server is BOUNCING. Prepare for rough seas ahead. |
| 21:40.28 | rsimpkins | Taking it down now, might as well do it whiile someone is physically there. |
| 21:47.54 | rsimpkins | Nothing worse than a fouled barf bag. |
| 21:48.57 | Jayce^ | sure there is.. missing the bag would rank among them |
| 21:49.11 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 21:50.41 | rsimpkins | It would be really great if Debian organized their boot order so SSH was always right next to networking. |
| 21:51.07 | elg | i for one am ready for a new init. upstart anyway? |
| 21:51.10 | elg | anyone even |
| 21:51.12 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: The box is in a mystery state. SSH down, interface up. |
| 21:51.22 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Do I need to get my rear end down there? |
| 21:51.46 | rsimpkins | Oh wait, maybe it was myisamchking |
| 21:51.50 | Jayce^ | lemme look |
| 21:52.13 | rsimpkins | Crashed all the drupal tables - I love MySQl. |
| 21:52.43 | rsimpkins | I think we should all take turns kicking Jay Pipes in the groin in May! :) |
| 21:52.47 | Jayce^ | it's stopped, awaiting a root pass |
| 21:52.52 | rsimpkins | Thanks for coming *whack* |
| 21:53.22 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Can you go in to single user, set your pass as the root pass, and fsck the thing? |
| 21:54.00 | rsimpkins | I forced a fsck, but clearly that wasn't good enough for it. |
| 21:54.24 | elg | http://pastebin.ca/891761 |
| 21:54.41 | nick125 | oh god |
| 21:54.51 | nick125 | elg: I'm going to print that and set it on fire |
| 21:54.57 | elg | hehe |
| 21:55.13 | rsimpkins | elg: Who gave you that? |
| 21:55.23 | nick125 | They need to go to a PHP class |
| 21:55.42 | nick125 | learning about templating engines and MVC would be good |
| 21:55.48 | elg | the graduate student council puts on this pseudoconference for graduates to present their work |
| 21:56.05 | elg | they roped me (the CS grad student organization president this year) into helping with the website |
| 21:56.12 | rsimpkins | Ahh, a graduate student made it. Well, that makes sense. :) |
| 21:56.16 | elg | the nontechie lass brought it over |
| 21:56.28 | elg | no idea where she got it. she doesn't know enough php to be guilty |
| 21:56.57 | elg | lucky she had her flash drive with her. she intended to just give me the printout at first |
| 21:57.06 | rsimpkins | oh man. |
| 21:57.09 | elg | the printout as rendered by a web browser, without going through php |
| 21:57.11 | nick125 | *ouch* |
| 21:57.31 | rsimpkins | Yeah, someone did that to me one time - gave me 15 pages of bash_history output from a previous admin, and asked me to pick up where he left off. :) |
| 21:57.54 | nick125 | elg: When you rewrite that, please use MVC or least separate form generation and request handling |
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| 21:59.18 | elg | anyone have a link to a good article on accomplishing MVC with plain PHP? |
| 21:59.28 | elg | not that I couldn't figure it out, but if someone's already done the thinking... |
| 21:59.42 | nick125 | http://xkcd.com/379 |
| 22:06.17 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, I've got / comign up clean, but /dev/hda2 giving fits (bad superblock) |
| 22:06.29 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Hrm. |
| 22:06.47 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Will it boot at all? |
| 22:06.55 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, it boots, but no /home :) |
| 22:07.00 | rsimpkins | I thought /dev/hda2 was in a raid 1 array. |
| 22:07.07 | rsimpkins | Oh. |
| 22:07.13 | rsimpkins | Well, that is lame. |
| 22:07.27 | rsimpkins | elg: I bet! |
| 22:07.28 | Jayce^ | if you want, you can try hitting it :) |
| 22:07.38 | elg | liquid nitro |
| 22:07.39 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Interface isn't up. |
| 22:07.45 | Jayce^ | I can reboot out of single .. |
| 22:07.46 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:07.51 | rsimpkins | k |
| 22:07.53 | Jayce^ | but that's the state it's at.. |
| 22:07.59 | Jayce^ | I'll reboot so it's "up" |
| 22:12.34 | elg | Jayce^: check your hand - did you drop a ring in the box? |
| 22:12.45 | elg | a ring of power perhaps? |
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| 22:16.07 | vontrapp | ok, i now have yum installed, but i need to set up some repos |
| 22:16.12 | vontrapp | (or just one) |
| 22:18.22 | elg | you need like 15, or whatever it takes for yum to complain that it can't add anymore |
| 22:18.35 | vontrapp | harhar |
| 22:18.54 | vontrapp | no, this is just a server, one little stable repo is likely all i will need |
| 22:30.20 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: If I come over, can I get in? |
| 22:39.00 | elg | i want to do something like this ruby code in PHP: |
| 22:39.12 | rsimpkins | mmkay, stop right there. :) |
| 22:39.26 | rsimpkins | j/k |
| 22:40.24 | elg | %w(foo bar baz quux).map {|x| $_POST[x] == ""}.include?(true) |
| 22:40.55 | elg | i.e. validate form stuff isn't empty |
| 22:41.03 | fozzmoo | http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/01/the-romney-paradox/ |
| 22:41.06 | elg | without getting RSI |
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| 22:42.20 | rsimpkins | elg: start with foreach ($assoc_array as $key => value){} |
| 22:42.26 | dataw0lf | elg like so: foreach ($_POST as $p) { if(empty($p)) { // do stuff } } |
| 22:42.29 | rsimpkins | elg: Then a simple ?: construct? |
| 22:43.10 | vontrapp | elg: good luck |
| 22:43.13 | elg | dataw0lf: so like flag=false; foreach ($_POST as $p) { if (empty($p)) flag = true; } |
| 22:43.42 | dataw0lf | elg: yea. it's probably actually empty($_POST[$p]), but you get the idea |
| 22:43.52 | elg | vontrapp: well, i'm in pragmatic mode right now. I don't care if it's exactly the way ruby does it as long as I don't have to type 15 if statements |
| 22:44.23 | vontrapp | do like dataw0lf said, set result=false before |
| 22:44.31 | vontrapp | then if anything in the foreach is true, set it to true |
| 22:44.37 | elg | dataw0lf: ok, but I don't have to check everyting in _POST, just a subset |
| 22:44.46 | elg | what's the quickest way to make an array of keys in php? |
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| 22:45.00 | elg | like the ruby %w(foo bar baz) |
| 22:45.02 | vontrapp | foreach ($subset as $w) {...} |
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| 22:45.26 | vontrapp | that's the part you won't get |
| 22:46.20 | vontrapp | anyway, so i have RHEL, i want yum, what repo should i use? |
| 22:46.28 | vontrapp | and then how the heck do i get it into yum |
| 22:46.34 | vontrapp | google isn't being much help here |
| 22:46.41 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: What is it you're trying to install? |
| 22:46.50 | vontrapp | anything |
| 22:46.58 | fozzmoo | RHEL or CentOS? |
| 22:47.03 | vontrapp | or does RHEL have something i'm overlooking? |
| 22:47.09 | fozzmoo | Graphical or Text mode? |
| 22:47.15 | vontrapp | text |
| 22:47.16 | elg | well then something like $foo = ["foo", "bar", "baz"]? |
| 22:47.16 | dataw0lf | elg: well you can use array_keys() too |
| 22:47.25 | elg | my php syntax-fu is seriously forgotten |
| 22:47.27 | dataw0lf | oh, you mean just an array of keys |
| 22:47.43 | dataw0lf | $foo = array("foo", "bar", "baz); |
| 22:47.43 | vontrapp | elg: i think that was right |
| 22:47.46 | elg | sure. or however it's easiest to iterate through the keys that I care about |
| 22:47.47 | vontrapp | or not |
| 22:48.16 | dataw0lf | elg: do $new = array_keys($_POST, $search); |
| 22:48.32 | elg | $search? |
| 22:48.39 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: So... yum -y install <package> |
| 22:48.46 | dataw0lf | to match the keys to |
| 22:48.54 | vontrapp | well, i'm in the process of setting up yum, i need repos at this point |
| 22:48.57 | dataw0lf | I haven't used PHP much in a while |
| 22:49.03 | tensai | elg: I recovered my svn repo. a simple svk push was all it took to get back on track. |
| 22:49.07 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Check the /etc/yum.repos.d directory |
| 22:49.13 | tensai | distributed rcs++ |
| 22:49.14 | vontrapp | empty |
| 22:49.16 | fozzmoo | That's where the .repo files go that define the repositories. |
| 22:49.18 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. Weird. |
| 22:49.20 | fozzmoo | What RHEL is this? |
| 22:49.42 | herlo | 4 |
| 22:49.46 | herlo | er 5 |
| 22:49.48 | fozzmoo | Old RHEL would put all the repos in /etc/yum.conf |
| 22:49.53 | vontrapp | where is that release file? |
| 22:49.53 | herlo | aww, geez, I don't know |
| 22:49.58 | fozzmoo | /etc/redhat-release |
| 22:50.00 | herlo | cat /etc/*release |
| 22:50.05 | herlo | works for all distros |
| 22:50.20 | vontrapp | yeah, it's 4 |
| 22:50.21 | elg | tensai: w00t |
| 22:50.44 | elg | dataw0lf: so $search = array("foo","bar","baz")? |
| 22:50.56 | vontrapp | and yum.conf has no repo that i can see |
| 22:52.00 | vontrapp | if RHEL has some not-as-cool-as apt package manager of it's own, i'll consider using that |
| 22:52.07 | vontrapp | just please not raw rpm |
| 22:52.26 | dataw0lf | elg: I'm pretty sure, but you should check php.net just to make sure. |
| 22:52.27 | vontrapp | this office is soooo hot |
| 22:52.38 | herlo | vontrapp: yum.conf doesn't hold the repos |
| 22:52.48 | herlo | vontrapp: the yum repos are in /etc/yum.repos.d |
| 22:53.05 | vontrapp | herlo: yeah, but someone said some versions of rhel use yum.conf |
| 22:53.06 | fozzmoo | herlo: yum.conf used to have repo info... a LONG time ago. |
| 22:53.06 | herlo | yum.conf just has the global configs for all repos |
| 22:53.18 | herlo | fozzmoo: nope, not in RHEL eer |
| 22:53.20 | herlo | ever |
| 22:53.25 | herlo | FC maybe, but not RHEL |
| 22:53.30 | fozzmoo | Fine. Be that way. |
| 22:53.34 | herlo | I will!! |
| 22:53.38 | herlo | :-D |
| 22:53.48 | vontrapp | so, is there an rhel repo? should i just use fedora? |
| 22:54.06 | herlo | vontrapp: use epel |
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| 22:54.12 | fozzmoo | I thought RH had yum repos. |
| 22:54.13 | herlo | epel.redhat.com iirc |
| 22:54.20 | herlo | fozzmoo: it does, since RHEL5 |
| 22:54.30 | fozzmoo | So why doesn't this RHEL box have repos? |
| 22:54.41 | herlo | rhel4 and earlier used up2date |
| 22:54.43 | fozzmoo | Does he need to install a package via RHN to get the yum.repos.d files? |
| 22:54.43 | herlo | with rhn |
| 22:54.51 | herlo | fozzmoo: what version? |
| 22:54.55 | herlo | rhel4? |
| 22:54.59 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 22:55.01 | vontrapp | 4 |
| 22:55.02 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. |
| 22:55.11 | herlo | you can get the epel repos for rhel4 and install yum to use it |
| 22:55.14 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: I like dag.wieers.com |
| 22:55.26 | herlo | fozzmoo: dag sucks, use epel |
| 22:55.27 | fozzmoo | Good RHEL add-ons there. |
| 22:55.38 | herlo | fozzmoo: not official rhel repo, but epel is |
| 22:55.45 | herlo | well, from fedora anyway |
| 22:55.47 | fozzmoo | herlo: I'm an ignorant pig. What is epel? |
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| 22:55.52 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I don't use dag for FC |
| 22:55.59 | fozzmoo | I agree dag sucks for Fedora. |
| 22:56.00 | herlo | extra packages for enterprise linux |
| 22:56.00 | sjansen | ~seen Peregrine |
| 22:56.03 | ibot | peregrine <n=david@unaffiliated/peregrine> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 556d 4h 14m 40s ago, saying: 'I installed the official wine package from stable/main. Whenever I run any Windows program, all non-Windows programs change colors. I'm not quite sure what to do about this?'. |
| 22:56.06 | fozzmoo | oh. |
| 22:56.13 | herlo | fozzmoo: dag sux for rhel too |
| 22:56.22 | herlo | sjansen: its peregrinus |
| 22:56.31 | sjansen | ~seen peregrinus |
| 22:56.32 | ibot | peregrinus <n=lamontp@lrp.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 10d 22h 42m 55s ago, saying: 'Hehe, I found a tiny problem with my MediaWiki wiki when I used the documentation at [ http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL ] and I got a developer on IRC who helped me locate the misconfiguration. I sugested that the documentation ... |
| 22:56.36 | vontrapp | rhel sucks, so it's a moot point |
| 22:56.41 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 22:56.48 | sjansen | ~whaleslap vontrapp |
| 22:56.49 | ibot | ACTION beats vontrapp upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:56.56 | vontrapp | :p |
| 22:56.58 | herlo | vontrapp: not true, you just haven't worked with it enough to just fiy that |
| 22:57.05 | sjansen | vontrapp: Thou knowest not where of thou speaks. |
| 22:57.10 | herlo | or justify that either |
| 22:57.38 | sjansen | I stay away from everything but JPackage and Livna. |
| 22:57.41 | vontrapp | is there a way to convert it to debian with zero downtime? |
| 22:58.05 | sjansen | no |
| 22:58.11 | vontrapp | darn |
| 22:58.26 | vontrapp | ok, so epel or livna? |
| 22:58.32 | nick125 | You could do some fancy migration work to create the illusion of zero down time :) |
| 22:58.42 | herlo | vontrapp: debian isn't bad |
| 22:58.57 | vontrapp | herlo: of course, it's awesome |
| 22:59.07 | herlo | vontrapp: so is RHEL |
| 22:59.11 | nick125 | install debian (or whatever you want) on the target box, get it working like the original box, migrate the files, make sure it works, sync the files over again, swap the boxes' IP, tada |
| 22:59.12 | vontrapp | meh |
| 22:59.12 | herlo | and Fedora too |
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| 22:59.18 | sjansen | vontrapp: Generally, if I'm using EPEL, I'm using RHEL so I wouldn't touch Livna. |
| 22:59.26 | herlo | right |
| 22:59.41 | herlo | just epel unless you need somethign non-free, then its rpmforge |
| 22:59.53 | sjansen | The whole point of RHEL is support, so I avoid doing anything unsupported. Might as well be using CentOS if I don't care about support. |
| 23:00.13 | sjansen | I stay away from rpmforge too. |
| 23:00.44 | vontrapp | maybe i should just go to redhat and get support then |
| 23:00.50 | vontrapp | have them set up yum for me |
| 23:00.58 | herlo | sjansen: right, I only use that if I'm desperate |
| 23:01.16 | herlo | vontrapp: rhel4 doesn't have yum support from RHEL, you need up2date for that |
| 23:01.37 | herlo | and yes, contacting rh is really the only way if you do that, you can get yum, but its not supported by rh |
| 23:03.15 | vontrapp | in that case, how do you search packages in up2date? |
| 23:03.23 | vontrapp | doesn't appear in the usage |
| 23:03.29 | fozzmoo | herlo: So... should people use EPEL w/ CentOS? |
| 23:03.53 | elg | people should use debian |
| 23:03.56 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Set up a VNC server and run system-config-packages. :) |
| 23:04.04 | fozzmoo | (Oh, man, I sound like I'm bashing RHEL!) |
| 23:04.12 | elg | you don't have to |
| 23:04.19 | elg | rhel bashes itself |
| 23:04.19 | sjansen | up2date is... limited in functionality |
| 23:04.25 | vontrapp | system-config-packages is a gui? |
| 23:04.40 | vontrapp | so rhel really does suck! |
| 23:04.44 | vontrapp | geez |
| 23:04.47 | herlo | fozzmoo: sure |
| 23:05.01 | sjansen | fozzmoo: According to the CentOS Web site, you should avoid mixing EPEL and CentOS Extras. |
| 23:05.08 | herlo | elg: you are wrong, but that's an opinion on either side |
| 23:05.17 | sjansen | Personally, I use EPEL and avoid Extras. |
| 23:05.18 | herlo | sjansen: centosplus is nice |
| 23:05.22 | fozzmoo | I say, LInux is Linux is Linux |
| 23:05.27 | herlo | agreed |
| 23:05.40 | vontrapp | except when RHEL tries to make it all enterprisey |
| 23:05.40 | elg | i say, computer is computer is computer |
| 23:05.41 | fozzmoo | You're going to like what you're most familiar with. |
| 23:05.48 | sjansen | ~punish elg |
| 23:05.49 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to install and use Windows |
| 23:05.50 | elg | windows, os/2, whatever |
| 23:05.57 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: There's reason to the madness. |
| 23:06.09 | fozzmoo | RH has enterprise customers who actually WANT that enterpriseyness. |
| 23:06.19 | sjansen | so vontrapp is a fugal? |
| 23:06.24 | herlo | right |
| 23:06.25 | sjansen | geez, vontrapp really does suck! |
| 23:06.37 | vontrapp | yay! |
| 23:06.38 | sjansen | I don't see how one follows the other. |
| 23:06.39 | elg | so emcnabb is a jansen? |
| 23:06.50 | elg | ~emcnabb sjansen |
| 23:06.50 | herlo | stir the pot, sjansen, stir the pot |
| 23:06.57 | vontrapp | the really does suck followed from up2date being... um, limited... |
| 23:07.15 | sjansen | *shrug* Debian doesn't have RHN. |
| 23:07.24 | sjansen | Debian sucks! |
| 23:07.35 | elg | well we all know that |
| 23:07.38 | herlo | vontrapp: its only limited in that it keeps binary compatibility with what you already have |
| 23:07.42 | elg | but it sucks because it's run by looneys |
| 23:07.44 | sjansen | You mean I have to use alien to install RPMs? Debian sucks! |
| 23:07.50 | herlo | there isn't newer versions, just bug fixes and errata |
| 23:07.50 | vontrapp | so how do i search packages? |
| 23:07.51 | elg | not because it's technically inferior |
| 23:08.12 | herlo | vontrapp: with up2date? |
| 23:08.34 | sjansen | herlo: up2date isn't going to get him very far |
| 23:08.39 | vontrapp | if i have to type the exact package name to search for that package, that's not much of a search, is it? |
| 23:08.49 | sjansen | There's a reason RH added yum to RHEL5. |
| 23:09.07 | herlo | sjansen: right |
| 23:09.15 | vontrapp | all i need is to keep things up2date and install a few packages here and there |
| 23:09.16 | sjansen | vontrapp: I missed how this whole pointless conversation started. What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:09.23 | elg | vontrapp: what are you trying to install? |
| 23:09.26 | elg | is it a farm of servers? |
| 23:09.30 | vontrapp | first i was trying to set up yum |
| 23:09.36 | elg | really, you're probably better off just building it and putting it in /usr/local |
| 23:09.43 | vontrapp | because when i installed the rpm i didn't have any repos |
| 23:10.00 | elg | unless it's something with complicated dependencies that aren't already installed |
| 23:10.12 | vontrapp | darcs is one thing |
| 23:10.16 | elg | hg |
| 23:10.24 | sjansen | elg: I wouldn't do that. I'd just spend a little time... oh, you know... actually learning RHEL. |
| 23:10.32 | elg | sure, if your job is to admin RHEL |
| 23:10.41 | vontrapp | which it is now, unfortunately |
| 23:10.44 | vontrapp | :( |
| 23:10.44 | elg | actually, my job was to admin RHEL and I did that to an extent |
| 23:11.06 | elg | and in the hindsight, that's my recommendation |
| 23:11.20 | sjansen | Okay, for darcs maybe. |
| 23:11.34 | vontrapp | so there's no package for darcs |
| 23:11.37 | sjansen | He's gonna use it on, what one machine? Sure. |
| 23:11.39 | elg | you're not gonna find darcs in rhel4 official repos, I don't think |
| 23:11.54 | vontrapp | and that's why i want debian |
| 23:12.02 | herlo | why? |
| 23:12.06 | elg | *shrug* you gets what you gots |
| 23:12.14 | herlo | I just don |
| 23:12.24 | herlo | t get why you couldn't use something else rather than darcs |
| 23:12.43 | elg | I say use hg |
| 23:12.49 | vontrapp | darcs is familiar, and i'm already spending waay to much time trying to figure out freakin' RHEL |
| 23:12.59 | elg | which may not be in the repos either, but I don't think its dependencies are complex |
| 23:13.02 | elg | just python probably |
| 23:13.18 | elg | do you have to store the repo on the server? |
| 23:13.22 | Tene | vontrapp: what's so different from whatever you use? |
| 23:13.38 | elg | can't you have your repo local, and rsync out to the server? |
| 23:13.45 | vontrapp | elg: i just have to push or pull changes |
| 23:14.10 | vontrapp | i could do that |
| 23:14.28 | elg | or maybe set up unison to mirror a dir on the server to a dir on your machine |
| 23:14.37 | elg | and you have another dir, to/from which you push/pull changes |
| 23:14.43 | elg | does that make sense? |
| 23:15.01 | vontrapp | yeah, but unison would have to push, because my computer never has a public address |
| 23:15.07 | herlo | elg: no repo has to be on the server |
| 23:15.10 | elg | that's fine |
| 23:15.17 | herlo | but it an be |
| 23:15.19 | herlo | can |
| 23:15.31 | herlo | and that's just more complexity you add |
| 23:15.32 | elg | herlo: i assume he wants to make changes on the server, and then will want to pull them back in |
| 23:15.47 | elg | but yeah, it's a matter of workflow |
| 23:15.57 | elg | i think you can do all your darcsing on your workstation |
| 23:15.59 | herlo | yeah, just remember which dependencies you have, and then make a repo locally for those sorts of things |
| 23:16.03 | vontrapp | i don't see myself pulling from the server, actually |
| 23:16.04 | elg | and use rsync or unison to get it to/from the server |
| 23:16.08 | herlo | right |
| 23:16.18 | herlo | rsync is my fav because its cron-able |
| 23:16.38 | elg | if the flow is unidirectional I'd use rsync too |
| 23:16.58 | elg | that's the spirit. ;-) laziness to the rescue |
| 23:17.05 | herlo | hehe |
| 23:17.46 | vontrapp | so this micheal buble song has the darth vader theme in the last 3 seconds of it |
| 23:17.49 | *** join/#utah redbeard2 (n=redbeard@nat/redhat/x-c367872d7b87a56e) |
| 23:17.53 | vontrapp | kinda funny |
| 23:17.58 | elg | never underestimate the power of rsync |
| 23:18.05 | *** part/#utah dirkus (n=dirk@75-165-237-38.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:18.10 | elg | not to be confused with the power of nsync |
| 23:18.21 | elg | or old kids on the block |
| 23:18.21 | vontrapp | powerslide! |
| 23:23.13 | herlo | vontrapp: which michael buble album? |
| 23:25.42 | *** join/#utah bonez45 (n=david_pa@75.144.9.237) |
| 23:25.57 | vontrapp | herlo: "It's Time" song 11 |
| 23:26.43 | fozzmoo | Tene: Ping |
| 23:28.02 | bonez45 | I am connected here....on my lone XP box....with which I can NOT surf...but I can chat....I can ping, but can't get either IE or Firefox to open a browser..and connect out to any site on the net |
| 23:28.11 | herlo | vontrapp: tx |
| 23:29.01 | elg | who's michael buble? |
| 23:29.26 | elg | bonez45: have you done the spyware/virus removal dance? |
| 23:29.49 | fozzmoo | elg: Swoony singer |
| 23:29.54 | fozzmoo | All the girls love him. |
| 23:30.08 | bonez45 | well, here's my response to that....elg...how do I load on any spyware or virus removal tools when I can't browse to the sites of those vendors? |
| 23:30.15 | elg | flash drive |
| 23:30.22 | bonez45 | elg: winscp works..... |
| 23:30.44 | bonez45 | I have ClamWin installed, but it can't update..no connection... |
| 23:30.48 | elg | can you try to load something served up on a local webserver, like on one of your linux bxes? |
| 23:30.52 | bonez45 | as for spyware...what do you recommend/ |
| 23:31.27 | herlo | don't get any |
| 23:32.22 | tensai | I hear sony has some good spyware. you could try that one out. |
| 23:32.27 | bonez45 | elg: noope....can't even connect to others on my LAN....and I have apache running on another box... http://fyrenice.com |
| 23:32.30 | brac | [Sandy Chiropractic Office - Dr. Scott S. Jones] |
| 23:32.35 | bonez45 | but on this xp box I can't even load that |
| 23:32.39 | bonez45 | yeah...brac..that's the one |
| 23:32.41 | elg | so it's not a firewall |
| 23:32.50 | bonez45 | my single page, not yet developed site |
| 23:34.05 | bonez45 | I can ssh to other machines...on LAN and remotely, ... just fine |
| 23:34.59 | elg | unless it's a firewall on your box |
| 23:35.11 | elg | windows firewall? zonealarm? any of a dozen others? |
| 23:35.22 | elg | some antivirus progs include evil firewalls |
| 23:35.26 | elg | like norton |
| 23:36.16 | bonez45 | netsh int ip reset c:\log.txt I run this...but I thought it had enabled browsing, but it didn't 'take' or 'hold' for long |
| 23:36.34 | bonez45 | I had zonealarm set up.....several months ago...but I have removed zonealarm.... |
| 23:36.47 | bonez45 | but perhaps not all..I don't see any more zone alarm on her.e.. |
| 23:37.02 | bonez45 | but I know ZA is really sticky....doesn't like to be removed |
| 23:37.06 | elg | if you do the reset thing again does it work for a while? |
| 23:37.22 | bonez45 | well, it did ones..with the reset...but then it was back at the same trouble |
| 23:37.44 | bonez45 | running a search now for 'zonealarm' |
| 23:38.36 | bonez45 | the system, tells me I can not remove zone alarm.... |
| 23:38.46 | bonez45 | I find a reference in regedit...and I can't remove it |
| 23:39.30 | elg | thank you for putting rhel in perspective |
| 23:48.46 | vontrapp | elg: buble is like harry connick, jr |
| 23:49.04 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: I think he's a little better, actually. |
| 23:49.10 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: He's more sinatra like. |
| 23:49.22 | vontrapp | hmm, don't know about that... |
| 23:49.24 | vontrapp | but he is good |
| 23:50.42 | bonez45 | elg: no other ideas on this? |
| 23:52.21 | elg | hcj can be excellent, good, boring, bad. |
| 23:52.38 | elg | i like the red and blue light one |
| 23:52.53 | elg | bonez45: nope. i haven't wrestled windows in a long time |
| 23:53.13 | elg | since the win2k days, and even then not nearly as much as win98 |
| 23:58.05 | vontrapp | so... what's the best way to take four different codebases and find all the sames and differences between them? |
| 23:58.41 | elg | diff? |
| 23:59.28 | vontrapp | so diff them pairwise all with eachother? |
| 23:59.41 | vontrapp | that's like n series |
| 23:59.50 | vontrapp | that's 10 diffs |