| 00:05.28 | tensai | jsmith-away: you might be interested in this. the 700mhz auction in SW wyoming is underway. it started at $95k and it's up to $700k so far. |
| 00:06.07 | Supaplex | 700mhz? |
| 00:07.26 | tensai | Supaplex: it's right there between 699mhz and 701mhz |
| 00:07.50 | Keighvin | $1/hz isn't bad. |
| 00:07.59 | Keighvin | Er, $0.10/hz isn't bad. |
| 00:08.01 | Keighvin | my bad. |
| 00:08.22 | tensai | Supaplex: it's the spectrum freed up by analog TV |
| 00:09.34 | tensai | this is the spectrum that google is bidding for, and that the fcc mandated that companies leave open to competitors |
| 00:09.59 | tensai | although apparently this auction I reference is a regional auction and there are also national auctions going on. the latter is the one google is participating in. |
| 00:10.19 | tensai | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070425-fcc-readies-for-sale-sign-on-beachfront-700mhz-property.html |
| 00:16.48 | Supaplex | OH yeah ok |
| 00:33.13 | rsimpkins | Mmkay, so I was just told that plug has a jabber server up? |
| 00:33.24 | nick125 | ooo jabber |
| 00:35.07 | rsimpkins | Hrm, says it registered, but can't log in. |
| 00:38.27 | Sargun | hm |
| 00:38.28 | Sargun | weird |
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| 00:45.52 | nick125 | Sargun: Have you ever had a miniSD card get stuck in a device? |
| 00:46.06 | Sargun | yeah |
| 00:46.13 | nick125 | and how did you fix it? |
| 00:46.34 | Sargun | uhh |
| 00:46.38 | Sargun | a lott stabbib |
| 00:47.27 | nick125 | The stupid freaking miniSD adapter is stuck in my Treo. |
| 00:48.33 | Supaplex | ewpz |
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| 00:50.07 | elg | nick125: you should consider tin cans and 3x5 cards |
| 00:50.47 | Supaplex | just hire a buncha migrants to memorize everything |
| 00:51.40 | elg | they don't have playskool gnuplot? |
| 00:51.50 | findlay | imagine sitting in your math class and being able to plot complex surfaces at will |
| 00:52.14 | findlay | imagine how cool you'd be then |
| 00:52.44 | findlay | yeah |
| 00:52.47 | elg | though my math classes are probably less severe than yours |
| 00:53.02 | findlay | me@playskool $ apt-cache search gnuplot |
| 00:53.07 | findlay | <nothing> |
| 00:53.56 | findlay | gnuplot+octave+scipy |
| 00:54.43 | findlay | my math classes aren't very hard yet |
| 00:55.09 | nick125 | Sargun: any ideas? (besides screaming) |
| 00:55.09 | elg | sure enough, gnuplot runs on windows |
| 00:55.12 | elg | even os/2 |
| 00:55.17 | Sargun | uh |
| 00:55.33 | findlay | and he's gone |
| 00:55.57 | elg | and octave too |
| 00:56.11 | elg | and no doubt scipy whatever that is (i figure something with science and python) |
| 00:56.14 | elg | so you have no excuse really |
| 00:56.34 | findlay | elg: no octave or gnuplot goodness in asus's repos |
| 00:56.47 | elg | asus? |
| 00:57.01 | findlay | or tetex |
| 00:57.16 | elg | i'm afraid i don't know what os you're running the |
| 00:57.18 | elg | n |
| 00:57.31 | findlay | http://update.eeepc.asus.com/p701/en |
| 00:57.59 | findlay | deb http://update.eeepc.asus.com/p701/en p701 main |
| 00:58.02 | findlay | it's xandros |
| 01:37.24 | Supaplex | hummMMmmmmm.... |
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| 02:08.08 | rsimpkins | Can anyone recommend a good jabber client for windows? I've got my linux systems up, but I don't use windows enough to know what is good. |
| 02:08.17 | elg | psi |
| 02:08.26 | rsimpkins | Thanks. |
| 02:08.28 | elg | pidgin runs in windows too, if you're hooked on that already |
| 02:09.01 | rsimpkins | psi looks pretty light weight. |
| 02:10.54 | rsimpkins | elg: Did you get my e-mail regarding mailing lists? |
| 02:13.36 | elg | yes |
| 02:15.31 | rsimpkins | Cool, was kinda hoping we could have that going by the next PLUG meeting - but I understand if you don't get to it. |
| 02:15.55 | elg | are there any young eager upstarts that want to take over the box? |
| 02:16.07 | rsimpkins | I can do it if you're sick of it. |
| 02:16.20 | rsimpkins | Until we can find someone with the skills to pay the , erm, GPL licensing fees. |
| 02:16.44 | rsimpkins | I thought it was your box or something. |
| 02:16.49 | rsimpkins | Is that not the case? |
| 02:17.01 | elg | no, it's over at jayce's office |
| 02:17.05 | elg | in their datacenter |
| 02:17.10 | rsimpkins | Ahh. |
| 02:17.30 | rsimpkins | Is it donated gear - or does it belong to Jayce^? |
| 02:17.35 | elg | donated I think |
| 02:18.04 | rsimpkins | Are you getting tired of the incecent server management? :) |
| 02:18.34 | elg | happy to hand the torch |
| 02:18.45 | elg | or you can put up with my horrendous response times :) |
| 02:18.50 | rsimpkins | If you like doing it, then no one wants to get in your way! :) |
| 02:19.09 | rsimpkins | Hey, for how much we are paying you - you'd think you could have that done in 15 minutes!!! hehe |
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| 02:20.43 | elg | the sad thing is it will no doubt take all of 5 minutes, once I know the commands to type |
| 02:23.06 | rsimpkins | elg: How long have you been the admin for PLUG? |
| 02:23.18 | elg | 2004? 2003? |
| 02:23.46 | rsimpkins | wow, that's a stretch. |
| 02:23.49 | elg | i left utah in fall '05 and I know i started at least a few months before that, probably more like a year |
| 02:24.14 | rsimpkins | If you'd like to pass the torch don't feel bad in any way doing so. |
| 02:24.16 | rsimpkins | You've done a great job. |
| 02:24.44 | sontek | ~torch elg for leaving Utah |
| 02:24.45 | ibot | ACTION sets elg for leaving Utah on fire. |
| 02:25.25 | elg | evidence is pointing at december 04 |
| 02:25.31 | elg | yeah, I want to pass the torch |
| 02:25.43 | elg | but I don't want to just dumpit on you, necessarily |
| 02:25.59 | rsimpkins | elg: I've got cycles. |
| 02:26.01 | elg | i can do this one last thing, run apt-get upgrade so I don't look derelict |
| 02:26.07 | rsimpkins | elg: hehe. Okay. |
| 02:26.12 | elg | turn off reply-to... |
| 02:26.18 | elg | ;-) |
| 02:26.24 | rsimpkins | elg: Can you set up sudo access for me? |
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| 02:27.07 | rsimpkins | PLUG is a lot of work, but I guess I really drink the whole community kool-aid thing. |
| 02:27.27 | rsimpkins | Linux has done a lot for me - if I can give back a little helping the local LUG out - great. |
| 02:27.48 | rsimpkins | I'd probably be a.... gasp... windows admin... if it weren't for Linux. |
| 02:27.56 | rsimpkins | So thank you FOSS community! |
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| 02:33.12 | Supaplex | rsimpkins: (: awesome. same here, I would have died with dos )`: |
| 02:33.34 | elg | the server mostly takes care of itself |
| 02:33.57 | Aliosa27 | I have 6 of the unreleased ubnt 700mhz atheros cards...they are awesome so far, a bit power hungry however |
| 02:34.01 | rsimpkins | My entire ability to earn a living is dependant on Linux. That's a pretty important rice bowl - and I'd like to protect it thank you. :) |
| 02:34.59 | rsimpkins | We need to have a 'systems show and tell' for a PLUG meeting one time. There are people with really great personal systems. |
| 02:35.16 | rsimpkins | I've got this box (ded server in San Diego), and several at home. |
| 02:36.12 | Supaplex | rsimpkins: I think quite a few of us are in that same boat (linux :: paycheck) |
| 02:36.49 | Aliosa27 | <--embeded linux=paycheck |
| 02:36.55 | rsimpkins | What's interesting is there really isn't a greedy corporation looking out for me. It takes a community. |
| 02:37.42 | rsimpkins | If I were an MS admin, I would work within the limits of that environment, and unless I were a very large user would be at the mercy of the corporate powers. |
| 02:38.48 | rsimpkins | And, strangley enough, if that corporation happens to be a monopoly, I'll likley be employed for an entire career. |
| 02:38.56 | Newsome | anyone looking to change the source of their Linux paycheck? |
| 02:40.34 | rsimpkins | If/When Linus decides he has had enough it will be a key moment for us. There won't be a 'ballmer' to take over as evil henchman. The community dukes it out, and chooses its own leader. |
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| 02:43.11 | rsimpkins | Newsome: We've noticed that there is starting to be some movment in the employment sector, finally. |
| 02:43.34 | Newsome | good to hear |
| 02:43.57 | Newsome | we've got an open position too, but it's not in Utah |
| 02:44.23 | elg | where are you again? |
| 02:44.26 | Newsome | Chicago |
| 02:44.36 | elg | hanging out with ed? |
| 02:44.44 | rsimpkins | Newsome: Is there a strong Linux community in the Chicago area? |
| 02:46.06 | Newsome | there are quite a few Linux-related groups, but I haven't gotten involved...the meetings all seem to be either downtown in the evening, or at one of the schools on the weekend |
| 03:12.04 | nick125 | Least feel happy that you have linux-related groups in your area that meet on a regular basis. |
| 03:14.34 | nick125 | The last time I've been to a LUG meeting must be...almost two years. |
| 03:17.53 | nick125 | The last time I actually "talked" to another Linux user in person would be....probably least 8 months ago. |
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| 03:47.48 | Tene | hmm |
| 03:48.03 | Tene | yum keeps hanging on my laptop at 'Parsing package install arguments' |
| 03:48.12 | Tene | strace shows it in a futex() |
| 03:49.29 | Tene | ahh, rpm stuff |
| 03:51.02 | rsimpkins | Has anyone playd this, is it any good? http://www.vendetta-online.com/ |
| 03:54.21 | Tene | I played it for a couple of months. |
| 03:54.25 | Tene | it was a lot of fun. |
| 04:01.18 | rsimpkins | Tene: Any reason you stopped? |
| 04:03.34 | Tene | rsimpkins: laptop died |
| 04:08.05 | Tene | http://blog.plover.com/misc/census-data.html |
| 04:09.38 | rsimpkins | Tene: Doesn't seem to work for me. |
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| 04:22.41 | Sargun | nick125, |
| 04:22.42 | nick125 | Sargun! |
| 04:24.48 | Lakshmi | aww so cute :P |
| 04:27.50 | Lakshmi | sargun your favorate! |
| 04:27.55 | Lakshmi | tobassco sauce! |
| 04:28.16 | Sargun | It's actually Tabasco |
| 04:33.39 | levi | Whoa, Paul Graham actually released Arc. |
| 04:35.51 | Sargun | You doubted the great Paul Graham |
| 04:37.22 | levi | I didn't think he'd have the guts to do it. |
| 04:38.40 | levi | It's one thing to talk about this wonderful project in your mind that will make things all better, but it's quite another to release what is essentially a prototype implementation for a language and call it the same thing. |
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| 04:46.01 | levi | Amen to this: http://hnr.dnsalias.net/wp/?p=39 |
| 04:46.25 | nick125_treo | Sargun: ? |
| 04:48.23 | Sargun | what? |
| 04:54.20 | levi | Driving home today was fun. |
| 04:54.52 | levi | Lehi Main St. was backed up nearly to the freeway, so I jumped onto a back road that was pretty much empty. |
| 04:55.06 | levi | And the snow on the streets in my neighborhood was nearly untouched. |
| 04:55.32 | levi | Snow tires + RWD + empty streets = fun. |
| 04:55.43 | Tene | nice |
| 04:57.26 | Sargun | Someone should do "To Catch a Predator" for women |
| 04:58.00 | levi | Silly Sargun, there aren't any predatory women! :P |
| 04:58.56 | Tene | levi: just don't tell findlay that |
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| 05:04.58 | nick125_treo | Sargun: you couldve told me you wernt getting my messages |
| 05:04.58 | nick125_treo | :p |
| 05:09.13 | findlay | levi: no way! |
| 05:12.45 | Tene | ls |
| 05:13.00 | nick125 | umount /dev/Tene |
| 05:13.05 | Tene | eh? I don't remember typing that. |
| 05:13.27 | nick125 | lol |
| 05:16.30 | Tene | Isn't there some standard utility to generate a random temporary file name? |
| 05:17.00 | Tene | oh, mktemp |
| 05:17.05 | Tene | I was trying 'mktmp' |
| 05:20.16 | Sargun | nick125, |
| 05:39.57 | Supaplex | http://www.enews.org/blog/_pics/lolcat.jpg |
| 05:46.54 | Tene | I suppose there's no real way to do Getopt::Long in bash... |
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| 05:52.03 | ibot | Tene: ok |
| 05:52.45 | elg | rsimpkins: sudo get me a sandwich |
| 06:05.33 | findlay | ~seen beandog |
| 06:05.41 | ibot | beandog <n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 24m 19s ago, saying: 'even Im not that anal.'. |
| 06:05.44 | findlay | where is that guy when I need him? |
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| 06:18.14 | findlay | shnockshnee! |
| 06:19.16 | Supaplex | http://www.oneandoneis2.com/geekblog/media/blogs/112/lolcats/gravitycat.jpg |
| 06:22.11 | tensai | java + remote x = torture |
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| 06:56.38 | Sargun | <nick125> I feel pretty, oh so pretty! I feel pretty and witty and bright! |
| 06:56.53 | Sargun | <nick125> I feel pretty, oh so pretty! I feel pretty and witty and bright! |
| 06:56.53 | Sargun | <nick125> I sing that to myself every morning! |
| 07:13.52 | findlay | Sargun: didn't know you were a singer |
| 07:14.12 | Sargun | I FEEL SO SEXY. |
| 07:14.18 | Sargun | I'm too sexy |
| 07:14.41 | Sargun | I'm Too Sexy |
| 07:14.46 | Sargun | I'm too sexy for my love too sexy for my love |
| 07:14.46 | Sargun | Love's going to leave me |
| 07:14.54 | Sargun | I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt |
| 07:14.55 | Sargun | So sexy it hurts |
| 07:14.55 | Sargun | And I'm too sexy for Milan too sexy for Milan |
| 07:14.55 | Sargun | New York and Japan |
| 07:14.55 | Sargun | And I'm too sexy for your party |
| 07:14.55 | Sargun | Too sexy for your party |
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| 07:15.07 | Sargun | To sexy for your channel |
| 07:29.54 | vontrapp | is there such a thing as a "raw" image format? |
| 07:33.28 | Sargun | yeah |
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| 07:59.49 | RyanE | 2 |
| 08:00.04 | vontrapp | Sargun: does convert support it? |
| 08:00.06 | RyanE | wrong window... dang tvtime bites me again... |
| 08:00.32 | Sargun | I don't think so |
| 08:00.40 | Sargun | well, there are raw image formats |
| 08:01.04 | vontrapp | flat byte info with no dimension/etc headers |
| 08:01.39 | RyanE | I think it would depend on what raw format it was. I'm sure some cameras do specify dimensions along with raw image data. |
| 08:02.29 | vontrapp | i want just the image data with _no_ metadata whatsoever |
| 08:02.44 | vontrapp | and an easy way to strip/restore teh metadata |
| 08:02.45 | RyanE | what's the source of the image data? |
| 08:02.49 | vontrapp | anything |
| 08:04.02 | RyanE | I assume you read here already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format |
| 08:07.59 | Sargun | vontrapp, why? |
| 08:08.08 | vontrapp | for fun |
| 08:08.46 | RyanE | doesn't sound like fun: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/05042701davecoffininterview.asp |
| 08:10.00 | vontrapp | camera raw formats is not what i'm looking for |
| 08:10.12 | vontrapp | i want no metadata, not encrypted metadata |
| 08:12.11 | vontrapp | iow, i want to _have_ to put in such information as width to restore the image to a meaningful format |
| 08:12.34 | vontrapp | and colordepth |
| 08:13.12 | RyanE | well, you'd have to know what format you're talking about to strip it down to the raw data, and to restore the data. |
| 08:13.24 | RyanE | i.e. it'd be different for different input formats. |
| 08:13.36 | vontrapp | true |
| 08:14.05 | RyanE | you could certainly start with a certain variety of the png spec, and easily strip out the metadata. |
| 08:14.22 | vontrapp | basically i want a list of pixels, and yes, the way a pixel would be represented might have to differ from format to format |
| 08:15.31 | RyanE | cat /dev/rand > pixels.raw |
| 08:15.39 | RyanE | s/rand/random/g |
| 08:15.56 | RyanE | so there you go, there's some pixels without headers... :) |
| 08:16.07 | vontrapp | RyanE: yeah, and then be able to put headers on it |
| 08:16.20 | Sargun | why do you want to do this though |
| 08:16.26 | RyanE | it's up to you to find some meaning in it... :) With the right set of headers, it could be the Mona Lisa... |
| 08:17.02 | RyanE | so are you wanting to do this to hide the original intent or original image? |
| 08:17.10 | vontrapp | not likely, you can't completely arbitrarily change the look of a picture through headers |
| 08:17.27 | vontrapp | to look at random data as an image, of course |
| 08:17.54 | RyanE | depends on how large an image. If you had a large enough color map, and a small enough set of random data, you could... |
| 08:18.39 | vontrapp | well, you would decide how large an image, then get enough randoms to fill the image |
| 08:19.14 | RyanE | yeah, not really practical. So, what's the reason for wanting to strip the metadata from the image? |
| 08:19.31 | vontrapp | it's pretty much the reverse i'm interested in |
| 08:20.33 | RyanE | right, but why would it be 'raw' (your definition of raw here) in the first place? Someone had to make it that way. Are you tapping into NSA radio again? :) |
| 08:21.00 | vontrapp | yeah, and making radio pictures of wavy radio stuff |
| 08:22.57 | RyanE | pixels without some sort of metadata (at least what format image it was originally) would be difficult to make into something useful, IMHO. |
| 08:24.00 | RyanE | unless it was basically a simple GIF/PNG RRGGBBRRGGBB type set of pixels (256-color) |
| 08:24.17 | RyanE | then the only metadata missing would be height/width. |
| 08:35.33 | Sargun | you basically want to convert a 2d matrix into a 1d string? |
| 08:35.51 | Sargun | and vice-versa |
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| 15:37.53 | nick125_treo | hey |
| 15:37.55 | nick125_treo | Sargun: alive? |
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| 15:46.01 | nick125_treo | Ah, this is interesting. If I type 'il' on my Treo, it'll turn it into 'I'll'. neato |
| 15:46.26 | nick125_treo | I wonder if those shortcuts are documented somewhere... |
| 15:48.24 | nick125_treo | Sargun: if you get around, send me an SMS. |
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| 16:12.19 | atoponce | elg: apparently, not returning an error on SGID is documented in chmod(2): |
| 16:12.29 | atoponce | "If the calling process is not privileged ...(snip)... the S_ISGID bit will be turned off, but this will not cause an error to be returned." |
| 16:13.37 | atoponce | i think it should throw an error, or at least alert the user as to what is happening |
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| 16:17.23 | elg | atoponce: yeah. at least it is documented though |
| 16:17.29 | atoponce | yeah |
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| 16:24.56 | ibot | stalks fozzmoo, hiding in the shadows and sorting through his garbage. |
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| 16:54.28 | findlay | hello |
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| 17:22.01 | Sargun | hi |
| 17:33.10 | rsimpkins | Wish I could give you the sudo sandwich, but it isn't working. |
| 17:37.41 | tristanbob | What are the open source consulting companies in Utah? |
| 17:38.16 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: There are LOTS of independant consultants. |
| 17:38.26 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: Several are quite good. |
| 17:38.42 | tristanbob | any businesses? |
| 17:39.39 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: http://iodynamics.com/ |
| 17:39.48 | Sargun | haha |
| 17:39.50 | rsimpkins | Which was aquired by KnowledgeBlue |
| 17:39.58 | Tene | There's givemeyourmoneyandidontburnyourhouse, run by findlay and tene. |
| 17:40.04 | nick125 | woah, this is neat. im vnced into my desktop on my treo |
| 17:40.34 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: Depending on what you want to do, you might be happier going with a co-op or independent contractor. |
| 17:41.28 | nick125 | the video isnt too laggy, but typing is very laggy |
| 17:42.18 | tristanbob | http://www.knowledgeblue.com/ |
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| 17:43.41 | herlo | tristanbob: that's where fozz works, and iodynamics was bought by them... |
| 17:44.11 | nick125 | Sargun: are you alive? |
| 17:44.14 | Tene | They're not contractors, though. |
| 17:45.30 | rsimpkins | tristanbob: An ad-hoc co-op works well in utah since we all know each other pretty well. Esspecially when you go with #utah/PLUG/SLLUG |
| 17:45.43 | rsimpkins | It's a small community. |
| 17:45.44 | tristanbob | Tene, they just sell products? |
| 17:45.58 | Sargun | nick125, nope. |
| 17:46.25 | nick125 | Sargun: dangit :p did I just miss him? |
| 17:46.28 | Tene | tristanbob: something like that. |
| 17:46.52 | Sargun | nick125, Yes. |
| 17:46.55 | Sargun | nick125, Leave a message |
| 17:46.57 | Sargun | :-P |
| 17:50.54 | herlo | Tene: isn't what kb does considered outsourcing? |
| 17:51.29 | Tene | herlo: I actually don't know much about what kb does. All I've heard is something about streaming media frameworks in java. |
| 17:54.30 | rsimpkins | It disturbes me greatly when I write a complex script to touch nearly every file on a production system, and it runs the first time after saving with no syntax errors, and looks like it works exactly as expected. |
| 17:54.58 | rsimpkins | Just makes me - paranoid. For some reason. |
| 17:54.59 | Tene | rsimpkins: it disturbs you greatly that you didn't run it in a 'test mode' first? |
| 17:55.06 | rsimpkins | Tene: I did. |
| 17:55.09 | rsimpkins | Tene: The test worked. |
| 17:55.18 | Tene | rsimpkins: oh, nice. |
| 17:55.57 | rsimpkins | Tene: I'm not about to go running a script on hundreds of servers without testing first! :) |
| 17:56.50 | neybar | you said that rather quickly... :) |
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| 18:03.30 | nick125_treo | Sargun: hey |
| 18:03.51 | Sargun | nick125_treo, sup? |
| 18:05.29 | nick125_treo | not too much, you? |
| 18:07.07 | nick125_treo | hmm, is two and a half hours of pockettunes with 60% battery left good? |
| 18:08.04 | nick125_treo | plus doing a bunch of other stuff (web, IRC, vnc, ssh, etc) |
| 18:08.24 | nick125_treo | seems about as good as my 700p |
| 18:08.26 | Sargun | o.O |
| 18:08.30 | Sargun | you can't multitask! |
| 18:08.41 | nick125_treo | lol |
| 18:08.52 | Sargun | its a treo. |
| 18:09.06 | nick125_treo | not at the same time, dummy. |
| 18:09.27 | Sargun | heh. |
| 18:09.38 | thaddeusq | nick125_treo: what do you use for irc on the treo? |
| 18:09.55 | nick125_treo | upIRC |
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| 18:30.46 | findlay | ~date |
| 18:30.47 | ibot | It is now 2008.01.30 18:30:47 GMT |
| 18:31.22 | nick125_treo | ibot's clock is off |
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| 18:31.47 | nick125_treo | both my treo and my cable box say 11:31, so ibot is a minute off |
| 18:34.41 | rsimpkins | Hrm, off topic. I think if we like it or not, We (the nation) are going to be electing Hillary president in November. |
| 18:35.28 | nick125_treo | I'd hope not. |
| 18:36.05 | elg | figures. the only way to get worse |
| 18:36.46 | rsimpkins | Edwards just dropped out. |
| 18:36.46 | nick125_treo | why is it whenever I start to like the views of a candiate, they drop out :/ |
| 18:36.46 | Keighvin | Unfortunately the pendulum is in her favor - or in favor of any democrat, for that matter. |
| 18:36.52 | Keighvin | nick125_treo: Quick, start liking Hillary! |
| 18:36.53 | rsimpkins | Yeah, Romney went too negative. |
| 18:36.59 | elg | i never really saw edwards as a contender |
| 18:37.07 | tensai | elg: you and most pundits |
| 18:37.15 | rsimpkins | The democrats are capturing the independants. |
| 18:37.19 | elg | but then, i never looked closely |
| 18:37.42 | elg | just judging by what I saw on Totally Biased™ TV |
| 18:37.45 | rsimpkins | It'll be interesting to see how things shape up next Tue. |
| 18:37.53 | elg | and the results of the first few primaries/caucuses |
| 18:38.01 | rsimpkins | Look at the full delegate count - Hillary has the party. She has the power. |
| 18:38.06 | elg | i'm rooting for obama, at least to win the democratic ticket |
| 18:38.16 | tensai | I would prefer obama to hillary |
| 18:38.17 | rsimpkins | Those superdelegates are going to push her over the top. |
| 18:38.34 | nick125_treo | elg: he's the only one left that I somewhat like |
| 18:38.38 | rsimpkins | elg: There is little chance if you look at the numbers, but we'll see how things go in the next month. |
| 18:39.18 | rsimpkins | So, what will Bill be? Cause, he'll have to be addressed as 'President Clinton' |
| 18:39.23 | rsimpkins | So - there will be two of 'em. |
| 18:39.38 | rsimpkins | I just think it is highly odd that a husband and wife both get elected president. |
| 18:39.41 | elg | you're in sudoers, it isn't working? |
| 18:39.58 | elg | president billy |
| 18:40.02 | elg | president hilly |
| 18:40.36 | maquis | as far as republican candidates, huckabee is the only one i'm not fond of... mccain and romney both seem like they could do a reasonable job... |
| 18:40.46 | elg | thing is, I don't know anyone that likes hillary |
| 18:40.54 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure either McCain or Romney can go up against hillary. |
| 18:40.56 | elg | i know lots of people that like obama |
| 18:40.58 | maquis | elg: ultra feminists? |
| 18:41.18 | rsimpkins | it would be rad if Obama switched to independant. |
| 18:41.19 | elg | maquis: i know of such, but half the nation isn't ultra fem |
| 18:41.25 | rsimpkins | Then hillary and obama would both loose. :) |
| 18:41.31 | maquis | elg: :) |
| 18:41.49 | maquis | elg: i know some people who think hillary is great... but up here, people are weird |
| 18:41.58 | findlay | heh |
| 18:42.01 | elg | without obama, hillary would have the "minority" cornered |
| 18:42.29 | rsimpkins | She has way too much power with the party to not walk away with the nomination. |
| 18:42.30 | elg | but he basically divides that in half - the people who would vote for her simply because she's a minority (woman) |
| 18:42.34 | rsimpkins | I'd be shocked to see her not get it. |
| 18:42.40 | maquis | so, if the race were huckabee vs obama, do you think that utah would turn blue? |
| 18:42.49 | maquis | (i know, it's not likely anymore... just curious) |
| 18:43.07 | findlay | I rather think that Utah is either brown or grey |
| 18:43.11 | rsimpkins | maquis: No, cause every grandma in the state just chooses the 'all rebuplican ticket' |
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| 18:43.39 | findlay | depends on the season and how long ago the last precipitation was |
| 18:44.10 | findlay | partisan politics are evil |
| 18:44.34 | rsimpkins | I see little changing though with Hillary - except for sure a raise in taxes. |
| 18:44.45 | elg | partisan politics are natural |
| 18:44.55 | rsimpkins | And - more 'temporary' deals so they can keep getting campain contributions. |
| 18:45.10 | elg | in the same way microsoft monopolies are |
| 18:45.11 | rsimpkins | And a deepening of the DMCA and DRM legislation. |
| 18:46.49 | elg | i used to think republican wasn't half bad and dem was evil. now I just think neither is half good |
| 18:47.17 | rsimpkins | I tend to lean toward republican on fiscal issues. |
| 18:47.53 | Keighvin | I'm with Dostoyevsky: round up everybody who wants the job and disqualify the lot of'em from every holding office. |
| 18:47.58 | rsimpkins | The dems want to create more government programs to scratch the backs of their contributors... cause that's who tends to benefits. On the republican side their consituancy tends to benefit by lower taxes. :) |
| 18:48.30 | tensai | at this point I assume they're up to no good unless I see evidence to the contrary |
| 18:48.41 | elg | maybe. but you don't have to look far to lose faith in that. orrin hatch and the riaa for example |
| 18:49.09 | rsimpkins | Not much has changed since the days of Franklin, expect we have about a million more laws. |
| 18:50.45 | findlay | yay laws |
| 18:50.48 | rsimpkins | Since we tend to agree we are going down, I'm all for going down as quickly as possible. Then maybe more radical candidates will get more attention. |
| 18:50.57 | findlay | heh |
| 18:51.27 | elg | i'm all for going down the year after I pay for my house |
| 18:51.29 | rsimpkins | I've learned in life it is better to not fight the wave, but let the wave pass you. |
| 18:51.40 | findlay | what we need is a Hitler or Mau or Lenin character to really take charge of things mad make reform ;-) |
| 18:51.50 | findlay | s/mad/and/ |
| 18:51.55 | tensai | this administration has really soured me toward the republicans, but I think I've been even more upset at how the democrats have failed to stand up to them |
| 18:52.21 | rsimpkins | At some point we will reach a situation where it will break. |
| 18:52.25 | rsimpkins | It is inevitable. |
| 18:52.46 | rsimpkins | 200 years is a pretty good run for a government. :) |
| 18:53.12 | Heartsbane | hehe |
| 18:53.21 | findlay | and a set of bash scripts |
| 18:53.44 | nick125_treo | who would maintain those databases and bash scripts? |
| 18:53.47 | RyanE | problem is, the MySQL database clusters aren't at least 35 years old. |
| 18:53.54 | findlay | I would |
| 18:53.56 | findlay | of course |
| 18:54.10 | RyanE | The power behind the Throne... |
| 18:54.22 | findlay | the first job would be to renormalize the constitution |
| 18:54.43 | findlay | and then eliminate all that inconvenient redundancy in federal codes |
| 18:55.10 | findlay | RyanE: only as long as I get a curtain and a panel with large, colorful levers |
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| 18:55.36 | RyanE | and was MySQL even born in the country? I'm thinking disqualified... |
| 18:55.56 | RyanE | It'd have to change it's name from MySQL AB to MySQL, Inc. to even be considered. |
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| 18:56.44 | elg | i'm thinking the collapse of our gov and apocalypse likely coinciding |
| 18:57.02 | rsimpkins | I think a major destabalizing event is likley in the next 50 years. That is: significant economic crash, very large scale terrorist attack, nuclear attack, major earthquake/flood. |
| 18:57.38 | elg | and another wave of file sharing thrown in for good measure |
| 18:57.42 | elg | so the starving artists all die |
| 18:57.48 | rsimpkins | Has anyone watched The Fog Of War? It is a documentry about Robert McNamara. |
| 18:58.26 | tensai | findlay: how about a beowulf cluster of mysql databases? |
| 18:59.08 | elg | tensai: that could be congress |
| 18:59.42 | rsimpkins | I like the idea of an beowulf cluster of orbiting brain lasers better: http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 |
| 18:59.53 | nick125_treo | what about postgresql? |
| 19:00.00 | RyanE | Senate |
| 19:00.15 | tensai | more effective than those retarded anti-missle lasers for aircraft they want to waste money on |
| 19:00.49 | rsimpkins | I want to bring back the nuclear powered airplane! :) |
| 19:02.17 | RyanE | just remember, after the crash: black box, OK. red box with yellow warning sticker, not so much. :) |
| 19:02.29 | nick125_treo | Sargun: poke |
| 19:02.41 | Sargun | nick125_treo, hey, sup? |
| 19:02.54 | nick125_treo | not much, you? |
| 19:03.49 | nick125_treo | want to discuss plans for our laser checkout system that will make empire market ahead of the food retailing industry? |
| 19:04.02 | nick125_treo | muwhahahahahahahahahahahah |
| 19:04.22 | tensai | laser checkout system? you know that bar codes are read with lasers, right? |
| 19:05.01 | nick125_treo | its a chad vader reference |
| 19:08.15 | levi | elg: Hmm, no one wants to talk about the Computer Science article. |
| 19:10.12 | elg | totally pwned their brains |
| 19:11.07 | tensai | the plug flame quota for january has been exceeded |
| 19:11.14 | tensai | resubmit it in february |
| 19:11.36 | rsimpkins | elg: FYI - sudo working great. Thank you. |
| 19:12.23 | tensai | sudo rm -f /etc/sudoers |
| 19:13.37 | rsimpkins | sudo iptables -I INPUT -s 65.19.212.185 -j DROP |
| 19:13.42 | nick125_treo | wow, all of this great HD programming...we can watch weather channel HD! |
| 19:14.18 | Sargun | nick125_treo, You packaged python stuff for windows, right? |
| 19:14.40 | rsimpkins | Ahh, no one got my iptables joke. |
| 19:14.41 | rsimpkins | Ahh well. |
| 19:14.54 | nick125_treo | Sargun: uh why? |
| 19:18.12 | levi | rsimpkins: Just how geeky do you think we are, anyway? ;) |
| 19:19.13 | Sargun | heyy |
| 19:19.25 | Sargun | nick125_treo, I might have to package it for Winslows. |
| 19:19.35 | nick125_treo | package what? |
| 19:20.09 | Sargun | a python package. |
| 19:20.13 | nick125_treo | c..c...c....ca....ca....can I PM you, Sargun? |
| 19:20.34 | Sargun | Fine. |
| 19:20.36 | Sargun | :-(I |
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| 19:26.59 | elg | drb? |
| 19:27.36 | Sargun | DR. b? |
| 19:28.19 | Sargun | Australia's coastline isn't sexy |
| 19:31.21 | Heartsbane | rsimpkins: dropping all traffic from zmonkey.org, maybe I don't get it |
| 19:34.57 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.08 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.15 | elg | elg is a moose |
| 19:35.20 | elg | s/moose/møøse/ |
| 19:45.29 | elg-sister | time to get a bite to eat |
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| 19:53.48 | levi | Rrrrg. |
| 19:54.20 | RyanE | little early for TLAP day. |
| 19:54.51 | levi | I either need to add the gnu libc and ld.so to my minimal fs, get the source code to these programs so I can re-link them against uclibc, or have them statically-recompiled. :/ |
| 19:55.08 | Tene | levi: do all of them? |
| 19:55.29 | levi | Well, I will try option 1, because it's completely under my control. |
| 19:55.41 | Tene | but then it won't be minimal anymore. |
| 19:55.46 | Tene | It will be near-minimal. |
| 19:55.54 | Tene | Do you really want to ruin perfection? |
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| 19:58.14 | nick125_treo | Sargun: any news on your python program packaging for win32? |
| 20:04.31 | Sargun | hi |
| 20:04.32 | Sargun | uhh |
| 20:06.44 | nick125_treo | lol |
| 20:10.01 | levi | Tene: Turns out option 1 is out of the question because gnulibc is a bloated dog and doesn't fit. |
| 20:10.34 | Sargun | http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/ |
| 20:10.37 | Sargun | oh god |
| 20:11.25 | levi | Sargun: Does that surprise you? |
| 20:12.14 | sinuhe | levi: Bloated dog? Are you saying GNU programs are bloated? Next, you'll be saying Emacs is an operating system. :-) |
| 20:12.57 | levi | sinuhe: Well 11mb is not exactly svelte. |
| 20:13.02 | Sargun | levi, I didn't know he was THAT messed up. |
| 20:13.21 | Sargun | sinuhe, Download the "SAGE" [pythonic math thing] code |
| 20:13.30 | nick125 | Sargun: You should get a tank license. |
| 20:14.15 | Sargun | why? |
| 20:14.30 | nick125 | so you could drive a tank |
| 20:14.40 | levi | sinuhe: And emacs is, essentially, an operating system designed around manipulating buffers of text. |
| 20:14.42 | sinuhe | Sargun: what is it in SAGE that I'm supposed to look at? |
| 20:15.42 | Sargun | the code |
| 20:15.42 | Sargun | levi, No, its a userland |
| 20:15.42 | sinuhe | Sargun: What about it? |
| 20:15.42 | Sargun | I saw someone who had Emacs as their shell |
| 20:15.43 | Sargun | I was confused |
| 20:15.46 | Sargun | then I nearly cried |
| 20:15.46 | levi | Sargun: I know what I'm talking about. |
| 20:17.11 | Sargun | After that I uninstalled emacs from his system |
| 20:17.42 | tensai | rsimpkins: I got your joke. I was just at lunch. |
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| 20:21.52 | elg-sister | ~lart tensai |
| 20:21.52 | ibot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays tensai in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
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| 20:38.39 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/30/zeus_platinum_gold_pc/ |
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| 20:43.36 | Sargun | Has anyone played with the idea of being a SATA target? |
| 20:44.15 | nick125 | Sargun: that sounds dangerous |
| 20:44.30 | Sargun | heh |
| 20:44.37 | Sargun | Well, I have a buncha systems |
| 20:44.40 | Sargun | with eSATA |
| 20:45.21 | Sargun | and a system |
| 20:45.38 | Sargun | with RAID10 array |
| 20:45.39 | nick125 | I think writing drivers for the host would be much more difficult |
| 20:46.01 | Sargun | I want to mount the RAID10 array on all these systems without spending lots and lots of money |
| 20:46.09 | Sargun | on FC, or iSCSI |
| 20:46.27 | nick125 | NFS? AoE? :p |
| 20:47.10 | Sargun | well Copper is too slow |
| 20:47.10 | Sargun | and fiber is too $ |
| 20:47.14 | Kemotaha | Sargun: iscsi can be free |
| 20:47.48 | Sargun | well |
| 20:48.02 | Kemotaha | costwise. Timewise not so much |
| 20:48.04 | Sargun | over infiniband |
| 20:48.04 | Sargun | plus infiniband switch |
| 20:48.04 | Sargun | are $ |
| 20:48.14 | Kemotaha | don |
| 20:48.20 | Kemotaha | t do it over infinband |
| 20:48.32 | nick125 | Kemotaha: He would need a decentralized fiber connections with triple redundant connections and multiple BGP peers between the core routers |
| 20:49.08 | Sargun | uh |
| 20:49.35 | Kemotaha | nick125: now I am confused |
| 20:49.45 | nick125 | Kemotaha: That's the point |
| 20:51.28 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:51.58 | nick125 | Is it bad that when I pound on my desk, my monitor turns purple? |
| 20:52.06 | nick125 | or if I move my chair |
| 20:53.05 | nick125 | Aah, I see why. The connection is coming loose. |
| 20:53.05 | Keighvin | purple = green channel is being interrupted. |
| 20:53.21 | Keighvin | Either you've got some bent pins or a break somewhere in the monitor cable. |
| 20:53.35 | Keighvin | ...or the connection is coming loose. |
| 20:53.48 | nick125 | Nah, the stupid laptop doesn't have the pins for the little thumb screws. |
| 20:53.58 | nick125 | uh, not pins, but you know what I'm talking about. |
| 20:55.23 | Keighvin | By pins I mean those on the cable interface(s), not the stabilizing screws. |
| 20:55.55 | nick125 | I know |
| 20:56.04 | nick125 | I couldn't think what those little screws were |
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| 22:19.47 | rsimpkins | Can anyone in here recommend a SOLID dedicted hosting company? |
| 22:20.06 | Sargun | dedicated, not dedicted |
| 22:20.16 | Sargun | And what sorta bandwidth, CPU, SLA, cost? |
| 22:20.38 | rsimpkins | Sargun: I want a reliable corporation. |
| 22:20.48 | Sargun | yes. |
| 22:20.51 | Sargun | And what sorta bandwidth, CPU, SLA, cost? << |
| 22:20.54 | rsimpkins | Solid == Enterprise quality. |
| 22:21.00 | rsimpkins | It doesn't matter. |
| 22:21.14 | Sargun | cost doesn't matter |
| 22:21.18 | rsimpkins | No. |
| 22:21.22 | Sargun | Do one at rackspace |
| 22:22.28 | Sargun | theplanet has some decent ones too |
| 22:22.35 | Sargun | rsimpkins, Why don't you collocate? |
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| 22:23.21 | Sargun | collocate at internap |
| 22:23.23 | Sargun | or Equinix |
| 22:23.29 | Sargun | or Level3 |
| 22:23.41 | rsimpkins | I'm not a fan of co-lo in this case. |
| 22:23.46 | Sargun | why not? |
| 22:23.49 | nick125 | Sargun: I thought you hated Equinix? |
| 22:23.52 | rsimpkins | I can't be managing hardware. |
| 22:23.54 | Sargun | nick125, I do. |
| 22:24.16 | Sargun | nick125, Who said I was speaking in rsimpkins' best interest. :-P |
| 22:24.40 | nick125 | Hm. I need another treo cradle for my desk |
| 22:24.59 | rsimpkins | i'm already quite familiar with Equinix, rackspace, etc. |
| 22:25.09 | rsimpkins | Just trying to get some other suggestions/ideas. |
| 22:25.32 | Sargun | Rackspace is decent. |
| 22:30.15 | Kemotaha | rsimpkins: you can always get some with us :) |
| 22:30.37 | rsimpkins | Kemotaha: Give me an IP address of one, and I'll tell you if you stack up. |
| 22:31.06 | Kemotaha | 64.136.20.60 |
| 22:31.24 | rsimpkins | wow. |
| 22:31.26 | Kemotaha | What are you hosting? |
| 22:31.32 | rsimpkins | Okay, where do I get info? |
| 22:31.38 | Kemotaha | Mysite.com |
| 22:31.42 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, I think you know a few folks here :) |
| 22:31.48 | Jayce^ | what *type* of hosting are you looking for? |
| 22:31.49 | Kemotaha | jsut a few of us |
| 22:31.51 | rsimpkins | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 11.372/11.424/11.460/0.129 ms, pipe 2 |
| 22:32.11 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Dedicated server, I'll manage it. As near enterprise class as we can afford. |
| 22:32.16 | Sargun | rsimpkins, You are based in utah right |
| 22:32.28 | rsimpkins | Yes, but this can be anywhere. |
| 22:32.53 | Kemotaha | We don't have dedicated hardware but we do have Virtual dedicated |
| 22:32.55 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, we just do shared or VPS based hosting |
| 22:33.10 | rsimpkins | Kemotaha: It has to be dedicated, and will probably be running several VMs in it. |
| 22:33.17 | Kemotaha | ahh |
| 22:33.17 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Bummer. |
| 22:33.54 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, meh, market segments.. too much extra overhead outside what we do |
| 22:34.14 | Sargun | rsimpkins, uh, do those one guys |
| 22:34.15 | rsimpkins | Stupid suits ruining it for everyone. ;-) |
| 22:34.19 | Sargun | those crapy guys |
| 22:34.22 | Sargun | in utah |
| 22:34.24 | Sargun | who do fiber |
| 22:34.39 | Kemotaha | rsimpkins: what are you goin gto host out of it? |
| 22:34.47 | rsimpkins | mysite.com has great connectivity. If I need shared, I'll keep them in mind. |
| 22:34.54 | rsimpkins | Kemotaha: Lots o' stuff. |
| 22:35.07 | Kemotaha | globalservers.com is our VPS stuff |
| 22:36.04 | Kemotaha | you might be able to get by with that, without using VM's, just multiple VE's |
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| 23:29.06 | fozzmoo | Man liferay is slow. |
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| 23:33.05 | bsdice | hello my phriends |
| 23:34.09 | bsdice | last night I dreamt I had seized a trunk whistling 2600 out of my ass |
| 23:38.55 | goozbach | oookay! |
| 23:49.07 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Hi |
| 23:50.23 | goozbach | fozzmoo: howdy |
| 23:57.50 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I suspect the moldy cheese |
