| 00:00.56 | bsdice | suse is made here in town |
| 00:01.25 | dataw0lf | man you sound like some sort of bot |
| 00:01.28 | atoponce | bsdice: you're from germany? |
| 00:01.48 | bsdice | mr robotto |
| 00:01.54 | bsdice | from germanobotto |
| 00:02.14 | bsdice | atoponce you from Utah? |
| 00:02.24 | atoponce | *nod* |
| 00:02.29 | bsdice | I'm too lazy for whois right now |
| 00:02.40 | bsdice | utah is much like bavaria |
| 00:02.43 | atoponce | it wouldn't be helpful anyway |
| 00:03.09 | sinuhe | bsdice: bavaria? |
| 00:03.18 | bsdice | good beer |
| 00:03.20 | bsdice | hot chicks |
| 00:03.27 | bsdice | some mountains lots of trees you know |
| 00:03.29 | bsdice | lederhosen |
| 00:03.35 | bsdice | octoberfest |
| 00:03.40 | bsdice | japanese invasion |
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| 00:34.17 | bsdice | peace |
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| 00:54.04 | Lakshmi | hey does this work? |
| 00:57.55 | Supaplex | jsmith-away: who's stolen your non -away nick? :) |
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| 00:58.36 | dataw0lf | Supaplex: doesn't really matter since jsmith has it registered... |
| 00:58.48 | sontek_ | jsmith is teh man! |
| 01:00.50 | Supaplex | 00:58 <jsmith> (ah, i have stolen someones nick.. this client normally sits as 'mcinenrey' |
| 01:00.58 | Supaplex | yeah.. made for a fun converstation tho |
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| 01:43.15 | graphyx | Anyone have a worthwhile wireless carrier/plan that lets you get web access on the phones? |
| 01:43.29 | graphyx | I was looking at sprints and it seems that the web access stuff is just so expensive. |
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| 01:45.27 | elg | my fancy schmancy case's switch is sticking, so I took off the front and cut the wires, stripped a bit off, and separated the leads with some electrical tape. now you close the switch and it springs back to separated when you let go |
| 01:45.36 | elg | little did I know I was violating a patent. |
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| 01:55.59 | vontrapp | ~patent elg |
| 01:56.01 | ibot | patents are stupid |
| 02:15.54 | vontrapp | hmm, there goes my video again |
| 02:16.08 | vontrapp | sometimes randomly whenever i try to play a video it just hangs |
| 02:16.13 | vontrapp | mplayer, totem, even flash |
| 02:16.32 | vontrapp | computer still works, everything still works, just the video won't playa |
| 02:17.46 | dataw0lf | I've had that problem, on Ubuntu 6.06, I think. |
| 02:18.07 | dataw0lf | I think some codecs were corrupted |
| 02:18.12 | dataw0lf | Can |
| 02:18.16 | dataw0lf | Can't exactly recall |
| 02:19.07 | vontrapp | last time it did this, it just randomly started working again |
| 02:19.18 | vontrapp | i don't want to wait this time, so i guess i'll reboot :/ |
| 02:19.38 | dataw0lf | weird |
| 02:19.46 | dataw0lf | nothing ever in the logs? |
| 02:20.04 | dataw0lf | grrr |
| 02:20.39 | vontrapp | there's some audit stuff in the logs |
| 02:20.58 | vontrapp | but they all say cupsd |
| 02:22.13 | dataw0lf | nothing in dmesg? you'd think if it's always video but no common type or application, it could be the graphics card |
| 02:22.15 | dataw0lf | doh |
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| 02:58.49 | ibot | refrains from ogling fozzmoo because he's married. |
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| 03:30.17 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo hey |
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| 03:45.46 | findlay | hello |
| 03:46.30 | Supaplex | greetings mr findlay |
| 03:47.37 | findlay | for FHE tonight we all watched our favorite youtube movies |
| 03:47.55 | findlay | it was subjectively entertaining |
| 03:49.26 | Supaplex | kewl |
| 03:49.31 | Supaplex | any favs? |
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| 05:41.52 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 05:42.01 | Lakshmi | anyone here? |
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| 06:05.53 | Supaplex | no |
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| 06:45.18 | Sargun | o.O |
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| 08:01.30 | lakshmi | ~ ojoin lakshmi hola! hello! hey!! |
| 08:01.43 | lakshmi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:54.18 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 14:54.19 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to emcnabb, and goes postal |
| 14:54.57 | Supaplex | emcnabb: I gave ibot blanks :) |
| 14:55.31 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 14:55.31 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P elg' action |
| 14:55.35 | emcnabb | Supaplex, thanks |
| 14:56.11 | elg | i rooted ibot. dpkg -P is actually cp now |
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| 15:15.43 | nick125 | morning |
| 15:17.17 | Supaplex | elo |
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| 15:31.30 | Supaplex | burr, it's -1.1F in Delta, UT |
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| 16:09.28 | Keighvin | Oooh, IPv6 |
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| 16:19.18 | atoponce | what would be the perfance impact, if any, of running a virtual guest on an external drive via usb2 or ieee1394? |
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| 16:32.59 | Keighvin | atoponce: meaning guest OS via virtualization/emulation? |
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| 16:38.43 | Sargun | hey macnewbold |
| 16:38.44 | Sargun | er |
| 16:38.45 | Sargun | maquis, |
| 16:38.59 | macnewbold | doh, Sargun |
| 16:39.05 | maquis | hi |
| 16:39.07 | Sargun | uh |
| 16:39.14 | Sargun | Nobody cares about macnewbold :-P |
| 16:39.29 | maquis | stupid computers are setup so that my prompts are the same |
| 16:40.02 | maquis | so, i didn't notice this morning that the terminal i ran 'sudo shutdown -h now' in was my server, not my laptop |
| 16:42.00 | RyanE | boy, that'll kill your uptime. :) |
| 16:42.02 | Keighvin | maquis: We had a guy at Overstock who rebooted production servers that way - frequenctly the wrong one, based on the naming convention which was supposed to help alleviate such confusion but really was in essence a wonderfully truncated mess of random characters. |
| 16:42.48 | maquis | ouch |
| 16:42.58 | maquis | i've never accidentally rebooted a work machine, thankfully |
| 16:44.11 | Sargun | ouch |
| 16:44.29 | Sargun | I have |
| 16:44.49 | maquis | our management is very nice to provide wooden desks, knowing quite well that devs like to knock on wood |
| 16:44.49 | Sargun | Then I killed the power to the rack and blamed it on the PDU |
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| 16:45.04 | Keighvin | I've never rebooted something accidentally, but I have on occasion been a little lax with my rm arguments. |
| 16:45.10 | maquis | :) |
| 16:46.01 | maquis | i did one time edit /etc/sudoers incorrectly and cause it to throw an error when it was parsed... then i learned how to use visudo |
| 16:47.44 | maquis | running an unstable kernel was not all that smart either |
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| 16:50.13 | ^Migs^ | http://bzfusion.net/kyle/wtfdigg.jpg |
| 16:50.18 | Sargun | hehe |
| 16:50.27 | Sargun | maquis, A 2.5 series |
| 16:50.54 | maquis | Sargun: i think it was in 2.6 someplace |
| 16:50.58 | maquis | i don't recall exactly |
| 16:51.06 | Sargun | 2.6 is a stable branch |
| 16:51.06 | maquis | i just remember having a good number of problems as a result |
| 16:52.01 | maquis | Sargun: it was an unstable release within 2.6. i think i upgraded to it the day after it first became available |
| 16:52.37 | Sargun | Oh |
| 16:52.41 | Sargun | I've done that before |
| 16:52.47 | Sargun | I had an 80 day uptime |
| 16:52.52 | maquis | iirc, the 2.6 branch is not technically a "stable" branch because they're no longer going with the normal branching structure |
| 16:52.52 | Sargun | Then the power went out |
| 16:53.15 | Sargun | [I was kidding about that rack thing, I'm not that much of an idiot] |
| 16:53.19 | Sargun | ah |
| 16:53.21 | Sargun | Well |
| 16:53.26 | Sargun | technically |
| 16:53.31 | Sargun | but All the cool kids use 2.6 |
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| 17:14.53 | Supaplex | you poor helpless comcast traveler. welcome back :) |
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| 17:20.24 | nick125 | Probably one of the stupidest things that I've done would be chmod'ing 777 /. |
| 17:20.37 | maquis | ouch |
| 17:20.40 | nick125 | second stupidest would be accidently making my swap partition 15GB instead of 1.5GB |
| 17:21.51 | nick125 | third stupidest would probably be trying to control a forkbomb. |
| 17:22.23 | Supaplex | I deleted /dev/* once. I was still a noob, and it was just eaiser to reinstall the box. :) |
| 17:22.33 | maquis | heh |
| 17:23.13 | nick125 | deleting /dev/ probably isn't that bad. |
| 17:23.54 | Supaplex | the only serious thing I've done as a sysadmin (at arosnet, on freebsd) was run two instances of zebra. for some reason it removed the default route, so stuff outside the network didn't talk to that rack of colos |
| 17:24.49 | Kemotaha | how about yum remove ncurses |
| 17:25.09 | Kemotaha | let me tell you, it removes a lot more than just ncurses |
| 17:25.30 | Supaplex | :P |
| 17:25.51 | nick125 | hhahahahahaahahahaha |
| 17:26.15 | Supaplex | nick125: tell us how it goes ;) |
| 17:27.48 | Supaplex | have 2gb sd cards gone back up? http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000FGNM6I/ref=dp_olp_2 |
| 17:28.09 | Supaplex | $1,268,210,425.88 seems a little high to me. |
| 17:29.11 | jsmith | Supaplex: And I'll bet they're not even SDHC ;-) |
| 17:29.19 | nick125 | I'll sell you mine for $12,064. |
| 17:29.37 | nick125 | With free shipping! |
| 17:29.47 | nick125 | Hell, I'll even go in person to deliver it to you. |
| 17:30.08 | Supaplex | nick125: that sounds too good to be true. not buyin! |
| 17:30.49 | nick125 | That's too bad, because the special offer just expired. It's now up to $56,246 and the shipping is now $3,478 |
| 17:31.45 | Supaplex | yeahhh, let me think about that.NOT! |
| 17:32.03 | nick125 | It's still a good deal. |
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| 17:32.31 | nick125 | neybar: Want to buy a 2GB SD card for $56,246? It's a really good deal. |
| 17:33.10 | neybar | that sounds like a totally awesome deal... |
| 17:33.14 | nick125 | I'll even throw in the shipping! |
| 17:35.45 | nick125 | I'll sell you a 4GB SDHC card for $95,623. |
| 17:36.05 | nick125 | okay. I don't get this. Why are MiniSD cards more expensive than microSD cards? |
| 17:37.02 | maquis | nick125: you can get 4GB SDHC cards for less than that on amazon :) |
| 17:37.18 | maquis | scott and i got 8GB SDHC cards for ~90$ each on amazon |
| 17:37.25 | maquis | (sandisk) |
| 17:37.44 | nick125 | I got my 4GB SDHC card at Circuit City for $35. Newegg wanted ~$50 for it. |
| 17:38.13 | nick125 | The only thing is that I might be moving to a Treo 755p, which only has a miniSD slot. |
| 17:38.15 | findlay | any compusa deals left? |
| 17:38.21 | maquis | SanDisk 4GB is 33.99 right now at amazon |
| 17:38.28 | maquis | 8GB is 65.99 |
| 17:41.14 | Supaplex | I bought two sdhc 8gb cards for $34ea shipped a week ago |
| 17:42.13 | nick125 | I wonder if it'd be better just to get a microSDHC card and a micro->mini adapter. |
| 17:45.08 | jsmith | Supaplex: Oh? Where'd you find those? And were they mini- or micro- or full-sized? |
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| 17:47.42 | vontrapp | anyone know about putting a serial interface on a usb device? |
| 17:47.53 | vontrapp | (driver level) |
| 17:48.06 | vontrapp | e.g. accessing the usb device as if it were serial |
| 17:49.35 | Supaplex | jsmith: sdhc regular size |
| 17:52.27 | Sargun | hey all |
| 17:52.29 | nick125 | vontrapp: Just a guess, but have you looked at libusb? |
| 17:52.38 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 17:53.22 | vontrapp | no, how would you set up the interface with that? |
| 17:53.37 | Sargun | What's up? |
| 17:54.08 | nick125 | No idea. It's a library. I know some USB devices show up as a serial/USB device. |
| 17:56.51 | Sargun | of setting up |
| 17:56.56 | Sargun | a LDAP based auth system |
| 17:57.33 | Sargun | SAVE ME |
| 17:57.34 | Sargun | :-) |
| 17:59.07 | nick125 | LDAP isn't that bad |
| 17:59.18 | Supaplex | ln -s gurulabs/gl275 save-sargun |
| 17:59.50 | vontrapp | what would the usb serial device be called? |
| 18:00.13 | nick125 | /dev/ttyUSBx |
| 18:00.22 | nick125 | /dev/ttyUSB0, /dev/ttyUSB1, etc |
| 18:00.30 | vontrapp | hmm, don't see it |
| 18:00.49 | nick125 | Just an idea: look into /dev/usbdev* |
| 18:01.02 | nick125 | That might do something like what you are trying to do. |
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| 18:07.06 | nick125 | Sargun: so, how's life? |
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| 18:18.30 | Sargun | o.O |
| 18:21.31 | tristanbob | firefox just crashed after the memory leak increased the memory footprint to 1,250 MB of memory |
| 18:21.34 | Supaplex | yell at em for me to. I'm sure I'll have to call them someday. |
| 18:21.40 | tristanbob | I hope firefox 3.0 fixes that.... <grumble> |
| 18:21.57 | Supaplex | tristanbob: http://blog.pavlov.net/2008/01/12/jemalloc-builds/ |
| 18:22.00 | findlay | well there's lots of memory leak fixes |
| 18:22.08 | findlay | but it still grows lots |
| 18:22.11 | nick125 | It was using like 4GB of RAM. |
| 18:22.23 | Supaplex | jemalloc should fix that |
| 18:22.42 | findlay | ugh |
| 18:23.17 | nick125 | haha |
| 18:24.13 | Supaplex | findlay: is it any worse than ratteling rivvets ressonanting to over pumped bass beats rolling down the street? |
| 18:25.13 | findlay | Supaplex: it's about the same, but without the entertainment factor |
| 18:25.16 | Sargun | I'm 19. |
| 18:25.17 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 18:25.52 | Supaplex | how sad. we're not. enjoy your youth kid. |
| 18:26.10 | Sargun | Haha |
| 18:26.18 | Sargun | Heh. |
| 18:26.21 | Sargun | I know., |
| 18:26.26 | Sargun | Well, actually I'm 17 |
| 18:26.30 | Sargun | But I can't be 17 |
| 18:26.38 | Sargun | and 18 sounds too young and suspicious |
| 18:26.39 | Sargun | So I'm 19 |
| 18:26.42 | findlay | all the entertainment this invokes for me is DI, sequins, and bad hairstyles |
| 18:27.32 | findlay | things I'd rather keep *out* of my memory |
| 18:30.31 | findlay | well, I don't have too much to complain about. It's not talk radio :) |
| 18:30.43 | findlay | s/talk/advertisement/ |
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| 19:17.17 | atoponce | pashdown: just curious, but where is your vote lying for presidential candidates? |
| 19:22.16 | elg | he's voting for a llama |
| 19:22.30 | Jayce^ | the Perl Party |
| 19:23.12 | RyanE | the Pirate Party |
| 19:23.50 | RyanE | the Perl Pirates Party, but that would mean it'd have an acronym of ppp... bad memories... |
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| 19:35.30 | vontrapp | Perl Hooligan Party? |
| 19:40.23 | Sargun | ? |
| 19:42.00 | findlay | ~question Sargun |
| 19:43.53 | findlay | Perl, Yet Terminally Hybrid, Ontologically Nascent |
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| 19:48.02 | Aliosa27 | can i get an amen for no free wifi access!!! |
| 19:48.05 | Aliosa27 | j/p |
| 19:48.07 | Aliosa27 | http://www.dr5.org/?p=1638 |
| 19:48.23 | Aliosa27 | fine me! |
| 19:49.06 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-emo-wall.jpg |
| 19:50.18 | Jayce^ | Aliosa27, old news :) |
| 19:50.49 | Aliosa27 | I know,,,,we were just arguing over it here at work |
| 19:51.01 | findlay | what's wrong with free wifi? |
| 19:51.05 | Jayce^ | arguing? why, we're all for it... |
| 19:51.08 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 19:51.18 | Aliosa27 | Porn and you, thats what s wrong |
| 19:52.39 | findlay | is porn short for popcorn? Because I understand that. I don't like popcorn |
| 19:52.41 | levi | There's porn on the internet?!?! |
| 19:56.56 | Aliosa27 | lol |
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| 20:44.35 | elg | perl shakes smorrey |
| 20:44.41 | elg | levi: you can take a break ;-) |
| 20:46.29 | herlo | http://gamesutah.org |
| 20:47.05 | levi | elg: Heh. |
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| 20:48.12 | levi | Hmm, Westboro Baptist Church is planning on picketing Pres. Hinckley's funeral. |
| 20:48.39 | elg | is that a utah town? |
| 20:48.42 | Jayce^ | wha?? yeesh |
| 20:48.50 | elg | that's incredibly poor taste |
| 20:48.54 | levi | No, they're out of Kansas. |
| 20:49.03 | levi | Incredibly poor taste is their calling card. |
| 20:49.05 | elg | they're coming out to utah to picket? |
| 20:49.21 | elg | are they protesting his death? |
| 20:49.36 | elg | or are they just human pop-up ads? |
| 20:49.52 | Jayce^ | think it's the same group that protests at soldiers funerals |
| 20:49.55 | levi | No, they're just coming to tell us he went to hell because he's a [gay] enabler, as are all Mormons, apparently. |
| 20:49.58 | levi | Jayce^: Yup. |
| 20:50.11 | JoshH | levi, got a link? |
| 20:50.37 | levi | http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080128_gordon-hinckley-funeral.pdf |
| 20:51.09 | levi | (the link is, as you would expect, in very poor taste) |
| 20:52.02 | JoshH | the last thing i would expect the mormon church to be accused of is being gay friendly, but these people aren't very bright |
| 20:52.04 | herlo | levi: that is true |
| 20:52.25 | tensai | wow. those guys have got some serious anger issues. |
| 20:52.30 | herlo | according to all things good and natural, gays are evil! |
| 20:52.41 | herlo | its just sad people can't just let others be themselves |
| 20:52.44 | herlo | geez people |
| 20:53.53 | levi | JoshH: Well, Pres. Hinckley actively taught that we should show love to gay people instead of calling them names and telling them how God hates them. |
| 20:54.38 | levi | Which was not gay-friendly enough for most gay-activists, and too gay-friendly for these folks, apparently. |
| 20:55.49 | tensai | levi: after all, Jesus did say "Love thy neighbor as long as he does exactly what you do. Otherwise mock and torment him." |
| 20:55.52 | JoshH | apparently |
| 20:56.25 | levi | tensai: That's a novel 'translation' of the Bible. :) |
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| 20:58.36 | nick125_treo | \o/ |
| 20:59.11 | nick125_treo | verizon replaced my 700p with a 755p |
| 21:01.21 | levi | elg: Do you do anything in particular to protect your ears while swimming? |
| 21:01.33 | elg | i read that as cars at first :) |
| 21:01.40 | elg | no, i've never had problem with that |
| 21:02.11 | elg | you get swimmers ear? |
| 21:02.41 | levi | I'm not sure if it's swimmers ear or what. |
| 21:03.01 | elg | i keep my ears pretty clear of earwax, don't know if it makes a difference |
| 21:03.03 | levi | When I first get back into the locker room, everything I hear is distorted. |
| 21:03.33 | levi | Later, that fades, but my ears still feel 'full' and are slightly muted. |
| 21:03.37 | elg | i do the pressurization thing (like when you drive up a mountain) and tip my head to either side |
| 21:03.44 | elg | afer getting out |
| 21:04.02 | elg | that usually expels something. might try it |
| 21:04.47 | elg | i'm sure earplugs would be an option. the soft kind like those marshmallows from rocky road ice cream |
| 21:05.01 | elg | then you wouldn't be able to hear the lifeguard mocking you though |
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| 21:11.48 | elg | levi: do you have any hair issues with pool water? |
| 21:11.49 | levi | Anyway, I think I may order that Total Immersion book. After reading through some of their free excerpts, I tried applying it to my swimming and was able to make a definite increase in efficiency. |
| 21:12.07 | elg | cool |
| 21:12.10 | levi | elg: Not really. What kind of issues do you mean? |
| 21:12.39 | elg | just curious. people complain about what chlorine does to their hair and all that |
| 21:13.18 | levi | My wife gets a green tint to her hair if it's exposed too long to cholrine. My hair is too dark to get a green tint. :) |
| 21:13.53 | elg | i find if i wash it after getting out, it's normal enough. if i forget though, my head smells like chlorine and my hair feels more or less exactly like straw |
| 21:14.25 | elg | supposedly, the green would come from copper pipes not chlorine |
| 21:14.50 | levi | I just rinse thoroughly in the shower after I get out, and although it still smells, it doesn't feel particularly different. |
| 21:15.52 | elg | i have a theory about using a vinegar or lemon juice dilute before or after shampooing |
| 21:16.23 | elg | but since i can't honestly say I notice chlorine ruining my hair (if I wash it) I don't have a control :) |
| 21:19.21 | ^Migs^ | http://gizmodo.com/350091/cheeseburger-in-a-can-is-both-the-best-and-worst-thing-ive-ever-seen |
| 21:44.35 | Jayce^ | it's the I can haz can cheezburger |
| 21:46.35 | Tene | levi: http://paulgraham.com/arc0.html |
| 21:47.22 | jsmith | Jayce^: Exactly... |
| 21:50.57 | Supaplex | (: |
| 21:54.13 | Sargun | I hate LDAP |
| 21:56.28 | Supaplex | but it <3's you |
| 21:56.28 | tensai | ldap++ |
| 21:56.58 | Supaplex | I think ldap is a woman. maybe that's why Sargun just doesn't get it. ;) |
| 21:57.18 | Sargun | Oh, funny. |
| 21:57.58 | Kemotaha | later Sargun |
| 21:58.10 | Kemotaha | Hope the baptists don't come protest you |
| 21:59.07 | Sargun | Haha |
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| 22:09.10 | tensai | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action> pickets fozzmoo for being tolerant of other human beings |
| 22:09.10 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 22:10.50 | elg | ~onjoin tensai <action> pickets tensai for being tolerant of other bots |
| 22:10.50 | ibot | ok, elg |
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| 22:10.53 | ibot | pickets fozzmoo for being tolerant of other human beings |
| 22:11.38 | atoponce | here's a qustion: mkdir ~/tmp; chmod g+s ~/tmp; # why does this not work? |
| 22:12.02 | atoponce | i should mention that setting SGID is the expected operation that is not working |
| 22:13.21 | tensai | atoponce: works for me |
| 22:13.44 | atoponce | yeah. it just started working here too. now i need to retrace my steps |
| 22:14.21 | fozzmoo | Hey. How do I disable the ubuntu firewall? |
| 22:14.37 | elg | iptables? |
| 22:14.41 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 22:14.55 | fozzmoo | In Fedora, I would just say /etc/init.d/iptables stop |
| 22:15.06 | elg | iptables -F |
| 22:15.12 | elg | iptables -P allow |
| 22:15.29 | elg | check the syntax of that, but that's the idea |
| 22:15.31 | fozzmoo | thanks elg |
| 22:15.46 | elg | make sure you get all the chains too |
| 22:15.52 | elg | iptables -L |
| 22:15.54 | elg | iptables -L -t nat |
| 22:15.55 | elg | etc. |
| 22:16.17 | fozzmoo | iptables v1.3.6: -P requires a chain and a policy |
| 22:16.31 | tensai | iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 22:17.00 | tensai | iptables -A INPUT -s elg -j DROP |
| 22:17.05 | atoponce | i dunno. it wasn't setting SUID or SGID for my demo in class, so i resorted to /tmp |
| 22:17.22 | atoponce | i can't retrace my steps, and history isn't being particularly helpful |
| 22:18.26 | atoponce | ah hah |
| 22:18.41 | atoponce | $ mkdir tmp |
| 22:18.41 | elg | fozzmoo: there's also the FORWARD and OUTPUT chains, and possibly the nat table (with OUTPUT, PREROUTING, and POSTROUTING chains) |
| 22:18.46 | elg | and maybe even the mangle table |
| 22:18.49 | atoponce | # chown .root tmp |
| 22:18.55 | atoponce | $ chmod g+s tmp |
| 22:19.15 | atoponce | that doesn't work, although it doesn't really explain why... |
| 22:19.45 | atoponce | # chmod g+s tmp |
| 22:19.47 | atoponce | does work |
| 22:20.06 | atoponce | drwxrwxr-x 2 aaron root 1024 Jan 29 14:15 tmp/ |
| 22:20.31 | elg | it doesn't copmlain about you not having permission to setgid when the group is root? |
| 22:20.36 | atoponce | so, because root has group access to the folder, this prevents the owner of the folder from setting the necessary group mode? |
| 22:20.39 | atoponce | no. it doesn't |
| 22:20.52 | elg | seems like it should complain instead of silently not working |
| 22:20.57 | atoponce | agreed |
| 22:22.17 | maquis | anyone here with a macbook? does the dvd burner take dvd-r or dvd+r? |
| 22:22.31 | elg | maquis: yup |
| 22:22.35 | atoponce | maquis: both |
| 22:23.42 | maquis | thanks |
| 22:23.45 | atoponce | elg: the reason for SGID dir, is to create files inheriting the group owner from the dir. because root is privileged, is this a security thing, or a bug? i mean, i *am* the owner of the dir and the file... |
| 22:23.47 | Sargun | IPTABLES > atoponce |
| 22:23.53 | maquis | my dad just called because he was at the store and didn't know what to get |
| 22:24.20 | atoponce | Sargun: not really. i can turn off my box. ip tables can't |
| 22:24.29 | atoponce | s/ip /ip/ |
| 22:26.04 | atoponce | Sargun: or were you redirecting? |
| 22:26.40 | Sargun | I overwrote your header.. |
| 22:26.47 | Sargun | [at least your header] |
| 22:26.57 | atoponce | ahh |
| 22:26.58 | Sargun | [depending on what kind of device you are] |
| 22:27.06 | Sargun | [I'm thinking you are a character/block device] |
| 22:27.15 | Sargun | because atoponce is such a character |
| 22:27.24 | atoponce | which one? character or block? |
| 22:27.31 | Sargun | character |
| 22:27.55 | elg | maquis: i wish someone would tell me whether +r or -r is better, since every dvd burner I come across can handle both |
| 22:28.55 | elg | atoponce: i'm not sure what, but i can conceive that there's some way you could exploit it under certain situations |
| 22:29.13 | elg | like if the directory was world-writable |
| 22:29.18 | elg | maybe |
| 22:29.41 | elg | what implications do setgid files have? |
| 22:29.48 | atoponce | sounds like i need to blog it, and hope lazyweb has an answer |
| 22:29.57 | elg | executables i mean |
| 22:30.43 | elg | i can't even chgrp to root as a regular user |
| 22:31.07 | elg | (debian) |
| 22:31.49 | atoponce | elg: of course not. i assume you're not a member of the root UPG |
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| 22:32.16 | elg | upg? |
| 22:32.38 | elg | but no, not a member of the root group |
| 22:32.57 | atoponce | user private group |
| 22:41.44 | tensai | elg: check this out. the hard drive on my svn server took a dive. luckily I started using svk recently so my commits go on unimpeded. |
| 22:42.57 | elg | tensai: awesome :) |
| 22:43.13 | elg | now you're a walking testimony to distributed revision control |
| 22:43.24 | tensai | the disk isn't completely dead but I think I lost my /usr and /var lvs |
| 22:43.51 | tensai | turns out that /usr and /var are both fairly important for booting |
| 22:44.32 | elg | yeah :) |
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| 22:49.05 | vontrapp | how come nobody else does a keyboard that's also a usb hub? |
| 22:49.11 | vontrapp | does mac have a patent on that or something? |
| 22:49.29 | vontrapp | well, the happy hacker keyboard has it... |
| 22:50.27 | tensai | vontrapp: there's an easy way to make one. do you have some duct tape? |
| 22:50.48 | elg | keyboard makers are stupid |
| 22:50.52 | elg | or else the market demand is |
| 22:51.09 | elg | those fancy buttons at the top, and useless wrist rests, are more important |
| 22:51.52 | vontrapp | i'd buy a mac keyboard for myself if the alt and "command" keys weren't backwards |
| 22:52.15 | elg | who cares what the keycap says? |
| 22:52.51 | vontrapp | you can modmap it, but when you go back to your regularly scheduled keyboard, it's backwards again |
| 22:53.34 | elg | i don't have one of these keyboards to refer to, but my macbook keyboard has ctrl, alt, then cmd |
| 22:53.40 | elg | isn't that normal? |
| 22:53.48 | vontrapp | no |
| 22:53.55 | elg | or do pcs have the win key between ctrl and alt? |
| 22:54.04 | vontrapp | yep |
| 22:54.06 | tensai | yay. my music finally came in. |
| 22:54.17 | elg | i guess it doesn't bother me |
| 22:54.28 | elg | now that you mention it i Have occasionally hit the wrong key on a pc keyboard |
| 22:54.40 | elg | i think it's because my happy hacker is the same as my macbook kb |
| 22:54.53 | elg | so between the two I've been using that layout almost exclusively since 2004 |
| 22:56.00 | vontrapp | it wouldn't be so big a deal, except i use both "mod" and alt all the time for different tasks |
| 22:56.11 | vontrapp | then the different tasks get all discombobulated |
| 22:56.20 | elg | so change your keyboard mapping on your laptop |
| 22:56.30 | elg | so you get used to it |
| 22:56.57 | elg | i assume you're talking about a keyboard extension to your laptop |
| 22:57.00 | vontrapp | 1, i like the keyboard mapping on my laptop, 2. if i change a mapping, it changes the other keyboard, too, and they are still opposite each-other |
| 22:59.21 | elg | well, there's always surgery |
| 23:00.17 | vontrapp | catch 22 |
| 23:00.37 | elg | i mean surgery of the keyboard |
| 23:00.47 | elg | take it apart, cut some wires, a bit of electrical tape... |
| 23:01.34 | vontrapp | or just construct a custom layer of that plastic/wire stuff that reverses the two keys |
| 23:01.48 | vontrapp | disect an old keyboard for that purpose |
| 23:02.00 | elg | or you could just use a usb hub |
| 23:02.08 | tensai | and duct tape |
| 23:02.28 | elg | ~ducttape tensai |
| 23:02.34 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 23:02.43 | vontrapp | but then you have wasted keyboard cable, and you have to get another piece of usb extension cable to make up for it |
| 23:03.00 | elg | or you can just splice them together and have a really long keyboard cable |
| 23:03.04 | elg | aka a wireless keyboard |
| 23:03.34 | vontrapp | how about a wireless keyboard with a usb hub? now that would be cool |
| 23:04.09 | elg | it wouldn't be usb |
| 23:05.24 | vontrapp | sure, just come up with a usboblue protocol, then you can have bluetooth usb hubs, awesome |
| 23:05.37 | tensai | it would need a power adapter so it could put power on the usb |
| 23:05.45 | Supaplex | there are wireless usb hubs planned |
| 23:05.48 | elg | you could have a bluetooth hub! |
| 23:05.48 | tensai | or you'd kill your batteries in no time flat |
| 23:06.07 | elg | or you could just get a bluetooth mouse or whatever it is that's holding you up |
| 23:06.17 | elg | or a bluetooth keyboard for that matter |
| 23:06.27 | elg | then you'd have just as many usb ports as you started with |
| 23:06.28 | Supaplex | plug all your usb stuff into the hub, and the wireless usb dongle on the pc. |
| 23:06.43 | vontrapp | i'm not in any dire dilema here, i just think a keyboard with a hub is cool |
| 23:07.04 | elg | well it is |
| 23:07.12 | elg | and I think cmd next to space is cool |
| 23:07.16 | elg | because alt is a dumb key |
| 23:07.34 | vontrapp | i don't care which is where, as long as it's consistent, dangit |
| 23:07.37 | elg | cmd is much more useful. and the spot between ctrl and whatever's next to space is awkward |
| 23:07.45 | vontrapp | alt is whatever you want it to be, elg |
| 23:08.00 | vontrapp | same with command |
| 23:08.08 | elg | alt is used by applications |
| 23:08.09 | vontrapp | oh wait, not on a mac, they tell you what command is |
| 23:08.18 | elg | i'm talking about linux |
| 23:08.32 | elg | meta-that-isn't-alt is the useful key for e.g. window manager mappings |
| 23:08.37 | elg | because it doesn't mess up applications |
| 23:09.30 | Supaplex | you can partition keyboard/mouse/etc for console:x11 - I just know not how. maybe there's something else to configure each keyboard in use *shrug* |
| 23:09.41 | vontrapp | applications just need to not use alt |
| 23:09.58 | elg | why shouldn't they? |
| 23:10.15 | vontrapp | then you can use it for whatever you want |
| 23:10.18 | elg | they can use alt, i have meta |
| 23:10.35 | elg | or cmd or whatever you want to call it |
| 23:24.40 | vontrapp | earbuds are always too big |
| 23:24.42 | vontrapp | they hurt my ears |
| 23:24.48 | vontrapp | stupid earbuds |
| 23:25.14 | elg | vontrapp: just wire up your brain direct |
| 23:25.28 | vontrapp | i want to |
| 23:25.38 | elg | be sure to use bluetooth so you don't need a hub |
| 23:33.17 | vontrapp | if my keyboard had a hub i could just plug my brain in there and be done with it |
| 23:40.20 | Supaplex | yeah, it's called the matrix dongle. *gasp* you don't have one? |
| 23:41.40 | nick125 | Ugh, I really need to write down my registration code for pockettunes |
| 23:42.27 | tensai | nick125: pwsafe |
