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| 00:13.15 | Sargun | nick125, ping |
| 00:14.23 | nick125 | Sargun: pong |
| 00:14.42 | Sargun | hm |
| 00:14.46 | Sargun | Wait |
| 00:14.52 | Sargun | Did you update FW? |
| 00:14.53 | Sargun | er |
| 00:14.55 | Sargun | Firmware |
| 00:15.03 | nick125 | It's already at 1.10 _ |
| 00:15.10 | Sargun | ah |
| 00:15.14 | nick125 | It seems to be working now |
| 00:15.19 | Sargun | data does? |
| 00:16.27 | nick125 | yeah |
| 00:27.37 | Sargun | ah |
| 00:27.40 | Sargun | shoot the phone |
| 00:31.22 | Lakshmi | that sounds fun! |
| 00:32.01 | nick125 | Sargun: You know, those semi-automatic weapons you were talking about sound more and more useful everyday.. |
| 00:32.18 | Sargun | haha |
| 00:32.23 | Sargun | go ask Jayce^ |
| 00:32.32 | Sargun | to use his op power on VZW |
| 00:34.21 | nick125 | the next exchange I do will bring up the lemon policy, I believe. I believe that after 4 devices, their policy is to replace it with a new device. |
| 00:36.22 | Sargun | what are you going to replace it with |
| 00:36.23 | Sargun | 755? |
| 00:36.43 | nick125 | no idea |
| 00:36.58 | nick125 | I tried to play with a 755p in store, but it was locked up.. |
| 00:37.24 | nick125 | and I couldn't get to the back to reset it |
| 00:39.19 | nick125 | It felt nice sized though |
| 00:40.44 | Sargun | heh |
| 00:40.49 | Sargun | who cares about size |
| 00:47.34 | Lakshmi | uhhh sargun EVERYONE |
| 00:48.56 | Sargun | nick125 doesn't |
| 00:49.03 | Sargun | ~size |
| 00:49.03 | ibot | i guess size is 2.4 |
| 00:50.16 | Lakshmi | lol |
| 01:27.53 | maquis | Sargun: hi |
| 01:32.39 | Lakshmi | hey maquis do you care about size? |
| 01:34.38 | Sargun | o.O |
| 01:37.48 | Supaplex | apparently Sargun doesn't. why's this such an important question anyway? |
| 01:38.53 | Lakshmi | Supaplex it isnt |
| 01:39.02 | Lakshmi | nyways sup? |
| 01:39.13 | Lakshmi | i keep forgetting that not all words highlight :-/ |
| 01:39.28 | Lakshmi | the computer should jus know what im thinking and type it out |
| 01:39.49 | Supaplex | i have progress on tidying up my place |
| 01:40.15 | Lakshmi | ooh nice |
| 01:40.45 | Supaplex | mice got into my food storage. there were some tortillas they had some fun with, but they totally ignored the junkfood. haha |
| 01:40.55 | Lakshmi | oh hehe |
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| 01:47.57 | Sargun | Supaplex, haha |
| 01:48.02 | Sargun | Supaplex, What Junk Food |
| 01:48.35 | Supaplex | el fudge |
| 01:49.23 | Supaplex | I still have 8 packages left from when I made walmart pricematch maceys 2pk/$1 (yes, insanely cheap!) |
| 01:49.33 | Sargun | hehe |
| 01:49.38 | Supaplex | they're still smelling yummy, so I guess these mice are dumb. |
| 01:49.40 | Sargun | macey's sells judge? |
| 01:49.46 | Sargun | you should tell me when |
| 01:49.53 | Sargun | you can get something that cheapy |
| 01:49.55 | Supaplex | the keebler stuff |
| 01:50.17 | Sargun | At one point I was thinking of making a small, fake store |
| 01:50.26 | Sargun | Just for the purpose of pricematching |
| 01:50.29 | Sargun | I mean a domain name |
| 01:50.32 | Sargun | a fake website |
| 01:50.40 | Sargun | A fake phone number |
| 01:50.43 | Supaplex | http://images.google.com/images?q=el+fudge |
| 01:50.55 | Sargun | A fake location |
| 01:50.58 | Sargun | I mean, what more |
| 01:51.32 | Supaplex | how devious. I did to, but that's just criminal :) |
| 01:52.28 | Sargun | I should try this once more |
| 01:52.49 | Supaplex | so, who's up for come free mousecrap? Winner takes all, just come get it ;-d~ |
| 01:53.18 | Supaplex | s/come/some/ |
| 01:55.03 | Supaplex | I found a new use for chilli packets. they're great for lining boxes you don't want mice in. I had one packet just nibbled at. no milk to save that little critter >:) |
| 01:56.13 | Sargun | ahahaha |
| 01:56.21 | Sargun | Supaplex, did he die? |
| 01:56.24 | Sargun | s/he |
| 01:56.26 | Sargun | it |
| 01:56.34 | Supaplex | i haven't found any dead ones |
| 01:57.26 | Supaplex | I use to dip the mousetrap trigger-leaf in white chocolate, so they'd gnaw at it. I think I'm out of traps tho |
| 01:57.52 | Sargun | You live alone? |
| 01:58.07 | Supaplex | just me and the pests |
| 01:58.24 | Sargun | ah |
| 01:58.26 | Sargun | :-( |
| 01:58.37 | Sargun | Why doesn't Supaplex move in with a fellow pest fighter |
| 01:58.54 | Sargun | Supaplex, you live in an apartment? |
| 01:58.55 | Supaplex | i dispise moving |
| 01:59.17 | Supaplex | a few rooms of a basement |
| 01:59.25 | Sargun | oh |
| 01:59.34 | Sargun | SLC? |
| 02:00.13 | Sargun | Supaplex, are you in SLC? |
| 02:00.21 | Sargun | How is the land lord? |
| 02:00.25 | Sargun | Nice? |
| 02:01.10 | Supaplex | yeah, he's nice. it's clearfield |
| 02:02.36 | Sargun | Have any pets? |
| 02:02.39 | Sargun | Are pets allowed? |
| 02:04.21 | Supaplex | 0 pets, 0 allowed |
| 02:04.53 | Lakshmi | aw :( |
| 02:04.53 | Sargun | oh. |
| 02:09.51 | Sargun | Supaplex, What's your preferred language for coding? |
| 02:10.20 | Supaplex | pl |
| 02:11.50 | Sargun | CL post time: |
| 02:11.51 | Sargun | Title: Looking for a fellow pest fighting room mate |
| 02:11.51 | Sargun | I'm a nice, freedom loving guy living alone in clearfield. I spend my days fighting away the mice |
| 02:11.51 | Sargun | who are trying to get at my junk food, and nights behind the dim glow of my computer screen. I |
| 02:11.51 | Sargun | love Linux, and coding in perl. I fear that I may be overcomed by the mice unless I am joined by |
| 02:11.51 | Sargun | another mice fighting room mate. No pets allowed. I hope /b/you/b/ will be the one. |
| 02:11.58 | Sargun | Supaplex, |
| 02:12.34 | Sargun | Supaplex, Are you ready? |
| 02:12.43 | Sargun | (to become known as the CL nutjob) |
| 02:13.19 | Supaplex | *shrug* |
| 02:13.58 | Sargun | uh |
| 02:14.03 | Sargun | Do you want a room mate |
| 02:16.01 | Supaplex | not interested, thanks :) |
| 02:16.23 | Sargun | aww |
| 02:31.03 | Supaplex | now what a cool hack. |
| 02:32.04 | Supaplex | getting to the last 1/2 jar of cheese was tricky and messy, until I took a paper towel and wiped out the first inch or so on the edge. no more messy fingers. |
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| 03:05.36 | Sargun | Supaplex, you should jog to SLC |
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| 03:35.58 | goozbach | for all of you who care. Gordon B. Hinckley passed away this evening. |
| 03:36.57 | jsmith-away | goozbach: I was just typing that same thing |
| 03:41.24 | Sargun | Who? |
| 03:42.02 | Sargun | June 23, 1910 ? January 27, 2008) was the fifteenth president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from March 12, 1995 until his death. He was the oldest person to preside over the LDS Church in its history.[1] As president of the LDS Church, he was considered by its members to be a prophet, seer, and revelator. His presidency was noted for the building of new temples and the creation of the Perpetual Education Fund. Hinckley holds the |
| 03:42.02 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.13 | Sargun | who is next? |
| 03:43.04 | jsmith-away | Thomas S. Monson |
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| 04:02.54 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:03.00 | Sargun | what did sargun do? |
| 04:03.09 | Sargun | Supaplex, we can turn that into a seeking women |
| 04:03.14 | Sargun | Supaplex, or a seeking friend |
| 04:03.29 | Sargun | or a seeking men if you're into that sorta thing |
| 04:05.44 | nick125 | Who gave this back to him? Ugh, I told you the *LAST* time not to give it back to him. |
| 04:06.02 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:18.29 | nick125 | Sargun: What's your favoritest treo forum? |
| 04:18.48 | Sargun | uh, I hate them all |
| 04:19.06 | nick125 | Okay...which one do you hate the least? |
| 04:20.20 | Sargun | haha |
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| 04:27.17 | Sargun | Haha |
| 04:27.21 | Sargun | how did it do that |
| 04:27.21 | nick125 | half of my music's artist tags are "Last, First" |
| 04:28.50 | nick125 | ugh, after I fix this, I'll need to prune my music directory of empty folders |
| 04:29.52 | Sargun | why? |
| 04:30.38 | nick125 | God, this would be so easy with a Python script. |
| 04:31.08 | nick125 | removing trailing and beginning spaces from tags, etc. |
| 04:34.07 | nick125 | Also, normalizing stuff like "The Beatles" and "Beatles",. |
| 04:35.21 | Sargun | sed? |
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| 04:40.33 | nick125 | doesn't do exactly what I want, but makes it just a tad bit easier |
| 04:41.06 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:41.11 | Sargun | write your own |
| 04:42.25 | nick125 | I should write a scriptable tagging program...hmm |
| 04:42.59 | nick125 | It would use stackable filters...hmm |
| 04:43.17 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:44.40 | nick125 | Your original information filter would be -1, then you could add whatever manipulation filters you want after that (for example, case changing, "the" removing, etc) |
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| 05:02.20 | TimRiker | eep. |
| 05:16.09 | nick125 | Sargun: I got a response from my post on mtdn. someone else said they had the same problem on their 650 but never figured out why. |
| 05:18.00 | Sargun | uh |
| 05:18.02 | Sargun | buy a new one? |
| 05:18.08 | Sargun | the screen issue? |
| 05:19.37 | nick125 | yeah, the screen issue |
| 05:35.04 | nick125 | hahaaha |
| 05:35.12 | nick125 | someone on mtdn suggested getting another replacement |
| 05:37.12 | Lakshmi | hey ppl |
| 05:41.36 | Supaplex | HEYlo there |
| 05:42.02 | Lakshmi | Supaplex look at your PM |
| 05:42.04 | Lakshmi | and sup? |
| 05:42.59 | Supaplex | cheqin' out stuff |
| 05:47.19 | Lakshmi | oh like what? |
| 06:01.26 | findlay | silly girls |
| 06:01.35 | findlay | they do all of these silly things |
| 06:02.03 | Sargun | silly women. |
| 06:02.08 | Sargun | women can be silly too. |
| 06:02.13 | Sargun | Look at maquis |
| 06:02.16 | Sargun | She can be silly. |
| 06:02.19 | Sargun | Well, not really. |
| 06:02.23 | Sargun | She is quite serious. |
| 06:05.21 | Lakshmi | findlay why sill girls? |
| 06:06.01 | nick125 | Sargun: Do you know any problem that comes on the Treo by default that can stress it out more than watching an hour of youtube videos? |
| 06:06.16 | Sargun | uh |
| 06:06.18 | Sargun | yeah |
| 06:06.26 | Sargun | talking on the phone |
| 06:06.28 | Sargun | or using data |
| 06:06.35 | Sargun | Transfer dev zero |
| 06:06.43 | nick125 | My fingers are getting kind of tired from having to keep pushing the button to play a video :p |
| 06:07.40 | Sargun | haha |
| 06:07.54 | findlay | Lakshmi: because they do things that don't seem to have any reasonable justification |
| 06:08.03 | Lakshmi | findlay like? |
| 06:09.40 | findlay | because their actions don't match their words |
| 06:09.53 | Lakshmi | findlay not all women, jus some |
| 06:09.54 | findlay | $5 to anyone who can name the allusion |
| 06:09.56 | Lakshmi | there are good ones out ther |
| 06:09.58 | Lakshmi | er there |
| 06:10.00 | Sargun | findlay, Genius!! |
| 06:10.14 | Lakshmi | findlay not genius! |
| 06:10.27 | findlay | Sargun: Shakespeare :-) |
| 06:10.52 | Lakshmi | hamlet |
| 06:11.01 | Lakshmi | i like taming of the shrew |
| 06:11.38 | findlay | hm |
| 06:11.52 | findlay | I thought it was in Hamlet, but I can't find the reference |
| 06:12.19 | Lakshmi | well allusions were part of all of shakesphere.. |
| 06:12.19 | findlay | http://shakespeare.mit.edu/hamlet/full.html |
| 06:13.35 | Sargun | where is her $5 |
| 06:13.47 | findlay | Sargun: nobody got it |
| 06:14.10 | findlay | I told the answer |
| 06:14.20 | findlay | besides there's no reference |
| 06:14.42 | Lakshmi | theres a lotta allusion refrence in shakesphere |
| 06:14.44 | Lakshmi | id point it out |
| 06:14.47 | Sargun | I got a 2007D penny |
| 06:14.49 | Sargun | Kickass. |
| 06:14.55 | Lakshmi | but that would ruin the lazyness |
| 06:15.09 | Sargun | And a 2007D dime |
| 06:15.25 | findlay | Lakshmi: yes, but *I* was alluding *to* Shakespeare. That was the point :) |
| 06:19.12 | Lakshmi | ok |
| 06:19.13 | Lakshmi | night |
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| 14:39.08 | ^Migs^ | one of our teachers got busted for having kiddy porn on his computer: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2554609 |
| 15:00.07 | atoponce | ~onjoin -thaddeusq |
| 15:00.08 | ibot | ok, atoponce |
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| 15:42.31 | elg | so, I read GTD this weekend |
| 15:42.50 | jsmith | elg: And you're still hanging out in IRC? What's wrong with you, man?!? |
| 15:43.00 | jsmith | elg: How are you supposed to GTD if you're here listening to me? |
| 15:46.04 | elg | :) |
| 15:46.36 | elg | or even better, practices it |
| 15:46.47 | elg | the stronger the opinion (for or against) the better :) |
| 15:46.58 | elg | jsmith: he didn't say anything in the book about IRC |
| 15:47.26 | jsmith | elg: But he talked about distractions, right? |
| 15:47.58 | jsmith | elg: My only complaint about it is that the people I know who have adopted the GTD/Inbox Zero stuff have been a lot less social |
| 15:48.00 | goozbach | GTD? |
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| 15:48.12 | herlo | Getting Things Done |
| 15:48.21 | herlo | goozbach: google is a great resource |
| 15:48.39 | goozbach | bah |
| 15:49.03 | jsmith | goozbach: Glad to hear you agree with me... |
| 15:49.08 | goozbach | why use google when I've got a high speed index right here? |
| 15:49.10 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:49.38 | goozbach | besides, there are TDM TLAs! |
| 15:49.53 | elg | jsmith: no, actually I don't remember any emphasis in removing distractions |
| 15:50.04 | goozbach | and YOU can use google to find out what TDM means :D |
| 15:50.06 | elg | but I did skim through some parts rather quickly. I like to call it speed reading but who am I kidding |
| 15:50.46 | elg | i'm already antisocial enough. if I stopped using IRC and IM, I'd probably qualify for hermit benefits |
| 15:51.23 | jsmith | goozbach: Time Division Multiplexing? |
| 15:51.41 | jsmith | goozbach: The Dvorak Method? |
| 15:52.04 | jsmith | goozbach: Two Desperate Mechanics? |
| 15:52.06 | tensai | turquoise drunk marmot? |
| 15:52.30 | elg | two deaf monkeys |
| 15:52.44 | Sargun | heya |
| 15:52.45 | Sargun | morning |
| 15:52.52 | Sargun | TDM, uh, phone fun! |
| 15:53.10 | goozbach | jsmith: you were WAY OFF! |
| 15:53.13 | elg | levi: http://onestepback.org/index.cgi/Tech/Ruby/LispInRuby.red |
| 15:53.16 | jsmith | Sargun: You'll notice my first answer was phone related... |
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| 15:53.47 | goozbach | http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/T/TLA.html |
| 15:57.01 | Sargun | yeah |
| 15:57.27 | Sargun | jsmith, As the asterisk developer/creator, I think you'd fall under the phone answer |
| 15:59.37 | sontek | ~debate elg |
| 16:00.56 | Jayce^ | Thy Lie of My Wi-Fi Hi-Fi Sci-Fi is to decry all that's on high! |
| 16:01.14 | elg | ~scifi Jayce^ |
| 16:15.26 | goozbach | Jayce^: orange! |
| 16:17.01 | jsmith | goozbach: mango? |
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| 16:18.47 | goozbach | jsmith: start here: http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/040227.html |
| 16:18.54 | goozbach | read forward for about a week |
| 16:19.00 | goozbach | and see what I just forestalled! |
| 16:21.21 | tristanbob | jsmith, and Sargun: by the time I saw that news, I checked wikipedia and it was already updated |
| 16:21.50 | Sargun | yeah, WP was updated last night |
| 16:24.09 | goozbach | fungus: and his IPv6 POwer!!! |
| 16:24.09 | fungus | Oh yeah. |
| 16:24.09 | goozbach | ~ping6 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1647 |
| 16:24.23 | Sargun | ? |
| 16:24.33 | goozbach | you could shorten that even more: 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::1647 |
| 16:24.58 | goozbach | fungus: who's your provider? |
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| 16:25.15 | jsmith | goozbach: Ah, orange |
| 16:25.16 | fungus | go6.net |
| 16:36.31 | Jayce^ | man, it's horrible going to the smith & edwards gun auction, even after you just found out your wife spent the "discretionary fund" the night before in a shopping spree :( |
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| 16:43.02 | levi | elg: What did you think of GTD, then? |
| 16:43.07 | goozbach | Jayce^: sorry man |
| 16:43.10 | levi | (I read it, though it's been a while) |
| 16:43.31 | goozbach | Jayce^: that's why there should be two "discretionary" funds |
| 16:44.17 | Jayce^ | goozbach, thought there was :) |
| 16:44.37 | levi | Jayce^: The unfortunate side-effect of having a wife is not having money. :) |
| 16:44.38 | goozbach | hah |
| 16:44.44 | Jayce^ | absolutely |
| 16:45.26 | goozbach | note to self... |
| 16:45.32 | levi | I told my wife how much money was in our account and she was flabbergasted. For some reason, she thinks that the nice pay bump I got when I switched jobs makes us rich or something. |
| 16:45.47 | goozbach | after installing screen, one must run screen to reap the benifits of screen. |
| 16:45.57 | goozbach | stupid goozbach |
| 16:45.58 | elg | levi: a worthwhile read. some of the principles and ideas are spot on I think, and a departure from other time management approaches |
| 16:46.01 | levi | goozbach: Astute observation! |
| 16:46.16 | elg | but man, the book is tooo long, and the system as he lays it out is overly complex |
| 16:46.49 | levi | elg: I was pretty excited about it while I was reading it, but I got to the end and the barrier to entry seemed too large, so I never got started with the program. |
| 16:46.58 | elg | i kept hearing about how GTD was simple and straightforward, and that was part of its beauty. those people are delusional |
| 16:47.35 | goozbach | you should all read "time management for system administrators" |
| 16:47.37 | levi | Well, it's probably simple and straightforward comapred to some organizational techniques that a techno-weenie control freak would imagine themselves. |
| 16:47.44 | elg | truth |
| 16:47.55 | goozbach | it's been carreer changing for me |
| 16:48.11 | levi | goozbach: What if I'm not a system administrator? |
| 16:48.14 | elg | i'm going to take the inbox, actionable/not, and next-action ideas and run with them |
| 16:49.03 | goozbach | levi: are you mostly interrupt driven? |
| 16:49.20 | goozbach | versus queue driven? |
| 16:49.25 | levi | The whole 'stop the world' startup phase of his plan was just too much for me. |
| 16:49.36 | levi | goozbach: I'm mostly queue driven right now. |
| 16:50.00 | elg | goozbach: tell me more about that book. I have thought about looking at it |
| 16:50.16 | goozbach | It's great for people who are mostly interrupt driven. |
| 16:50.22 | elg | i'm kind of a time management junkie. theoretically anyway |
| 16:50.35 | goozbach | but the basics are REALLY FREAKING EASY! |
| 16:50.40 | goozbach | almost insultingly so |
| 16:50.49 | levi | elg: The Lisp-in-Ruby thing is mildly interesting, as far as Lisp 1.5 is mildly interesting. |
| 16:50.55 | goozbach | like "duh I know that" type |
| 16:51.04 | levi | Mostly from a theoretical/historical point of view. |
| 16:51.17 | goozbach | but then when you try the different ideas he has, they seem to work well |
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| 16:51.34 | elg | goozbach: what's the main thrust? |
| 16:51.54 | goozbach | elg: pre-compile your time |
| 16:52.04 | goozbach | as opposed to JIT compiling |
| 16:52.35 | elg | nice metaphors :) |
| 16:52.44 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: ping |
| 16:52.55 | rsimpkins | Actually - Anyone from United Online on? |
| 16:52.55 | goozbach | make repetivie choices once, and save yourself from having to make them again. |
| 16:54.07 | goozbach | elg: most of those are from the book |
| 16:54.18 | goozbach | it's very "computer geek" centered |
| 16:54.29 | goozbach | I highly suggest it. |
| 16:55.39 | rsimpkins | ~seen redbeard2 |
| 16:55.40 | ibot | redbeard2 is currently on #utos (4m 18s) #utah (4m 18s) #ubuntu-us-ut (4m 18s), last said: 'nick125: i have a treo 775p'. |
| 16:56.05 | rsimpkins | redbeard2: Are you really there? |
| 16:56.36 | elg | goozbach: I'll take a look next time I'm at the bookstore (we go periodically, Jonny likes to play with the Thomas train set) |
| 16:58.37 | elg | the precompile idea is basically the same thing that makes GTD work (IMO - the author might tell you the most important thing is clearing your mind and getting all your "stuff" in the system) |
| 16:59.10 | goozbach | elg: It's worth it to me |
| 16:59.16 | elg | cool |
| 16:59.20 | goozbach | I'm just re-reading it for the third time |
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| 16:59.36 | goozbach | for me to read a book more than once, that's a statement |
| 17:01.03 | elg | "you can say go away without being a jerk" - but would you want to? how are you going to maintain your BOFH status if you do that? :) |
| 17:01.18 | Jayce^ | ~pong rsimpkins |
| 17:01.19 | ibot | rsimpkins: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:07.15 | levi | Heh, Donny Osmond & Weird Al: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWc6QQ9JlMc |
| 17:09.18 | rsimpkins | levi: Is that white and nerdy? |
| 17:09.25 | levi | Yeah. |
| 17:09.30 | rsimpkins | Yeah, great video. |
| 17:09.58 | Jayce^ | yeah, donny actually contacted al about doing that.. |
| 17:10.46 | Sargun | AL! |
| 17:12.45 | rsimpkins | Got that one on the iphone to remind me that geek really is cool. No really. It is. Bubble wrap and all. |
| 17:13.11 | rsimpkins | I don't have any cherry action figures though. |
| 17:15.41 | Sargun | Hi |
| 17:18.07 | levi | I love the video to "Don't Download This Song" |
| 17:18.10 | tensai | would somebody ping -c 100 209.249.170.146 and tell me the results? |
| 17:18.48 | rsimpkins | --- 209.249.170.146 ping statistics --- |
| 17:18.48 | rsimpkins | 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3002ms |
| 17:18.48 | rsimpkins | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.052/35.034/35.996/0.695 ms, pipe 2 |
| 17:19.21 | rsimpkins | tensai: Oh, you want all 100? |
| 17:19.39 | tensai | rsimpkins: yes I would like at least 100 packets |
| 17:19.45 | rsimpkins | tensai: Yeah, looks like you are dropping stuff. |
| 17:19.57 | tensai | I'm seeing 5-10% packet loss so 4 packets might squeak through |
| 17:19.57 | rsimpkins | tensai: Pretty high drop rate loops like. |
| 17:20.17 | rsimpkins | Time to call your ISP? |
| 17:20.39 | tensai | rsimpkins: I am the ISP :) |
| 17:20.45 | rsimpkins | tensai: Time to fix it? :) |
| 17:20.51 | tensai | but this is a site external to us. so time to call them. |
| 17:21.02 | fungus | 100 packets transmitted, 93 received, 7% packet loss, time 99003ms |
| 17:21.02 | fungus | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.731/46.830/61.269/3.127 ms |
| 17:21.12 | rsimpkins | 100 packets transmitted, 89 received, 11% packet loss, time 99076ms |
| 17:21.31 | tensai | fungus, rsimpkins: thanks |
| 17:21.44 | tensai | wanted to make sure it wasn't on my end |
| 17:23.06 | fungus | mtr is showing the loss is at the last hop. |
| 17:23.29 | levi | BTW, the video I linked to isn't the final White and Nerdy video, it's got Al and Donny dancing the whole time in front of a green screen. |
| 17:24.40 | rsimpkins | Ahh, I'll have to watch it later. |
| 17:28.27 | tensai | fungus: ah, yeah. forgot about mtr. |
| 17:30.25 | goozbach | http://jordy.gundy.org/wp-content/themes/ganjapress/images/ganjapressheader.jpg |
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| 18:01.21 | findlay | man |
| 18:01.30 | findlay | gmail won't let me add contacts |
| 18:03.18 | sontek_ | because it knows that you don't have friends, and that those names are made up |
| 18:03.21 | sontek_ | you can't fool google! |
| 18:06.16 | findlay | I guess you're right |
| 18:10.04 | sontek_ | want to make a cake in my easy bake oven? |
| 18:11.34 | findlay | silly cakes |
| 18:12.22 | levi | Ahh, the C++ FQA: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/index.html |
| 18:14.03 | rsimpkins | Woot. MySQL confirmed for May 14th. |
| 18:14.39 | rsimpkins | What he wants to present on: 'SQL and schematic coding techniques to improve throughput and performance in MySQL' |
| 18:14.42 | rsimpkins | Any interest? |
| 18:15.25 | sontek_ | where'd my route go?! |
| 18:15.42 | rsimpkins | Hrm, none? |
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| 18:15.54 | findlay | rsimpkins: I'll be there |
| 18:16.19 | findlay | and the Three Amigos too |
| 18:16.38 | rsimpkins | k, well, at least findlay and I will enjoy it. And the three amigos. |
| 18:16.46 | findlay | yeah! |
| 18:17.05 | sontek | It sounds interesting, throw in free pizza and you've got yourself a deal |
| 18:17.21 | rsimpkins | He's still not 100% sure if the Sun aquasition is going to throw him off track or not, but it doesn't look like it. |
| 18:17.37 | rsimpkins | Free pizza sounds great, except, it isn't free. |
| 18:17.55 | rsimpkins | Who wants to buy pizza for 50 people? Anyone? |
| 18:18.15 | rsimpkins | How many slices per pizza * 2 * 50. |
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| 18:18.30 | rsimpkins | Alotta pizza |
| 18:18.38 | sontek | 2?! You must be hanging out with a different kind of geek than I do |
| 18:18.55 | sontek | Its almost February, new years resolutions are out the door! |
| 18:19.12 | Sargun | uh |
| 18:19.22 | sontek | we should get dominoes to sponsor plug |
| 18:19.25 | rsimpkins | Does pizza usually come in 8 slices, or 10? |
| 18:19.33 | findlay | depends on size |
| 18:19.45 | levi | And how the pizza-monkey happens to slice it. |
| 18:22.43 | levi | Hmm, I could read through the C++ FQA for ages. It's full of fun facts regarding the unfortunate realities of C++. |
| 18:22.46 | findlay | I prefer when th sizes are \pi/6 |
| 18:23.01 | findlay | because that makes geometrical calculations more easy |
| 18:23.35 | findlay | levi: so, it's your favorite kind of anti-C++ koolaid? :-) |
| 18:24.08 | sontek | rsimpkins: You only have to buy pizza for me, everyone else will be there for free! |
| 18:24.20 | levi | Yes, in that it extensively documents the design failures of the language. |
| 18:25.15 | findlay | rsimpkins: I'll only eat pizza slices that measure to standard angles |
| 18:25.41 | rsimpkins | sontek: I'm thinking like 14-20 pizzas. For decent pizza that's about $147-$210 in pizza. |
| 18:26.01 | sontek | rsimpkins: if you put google ads on plug.org, i'll click once a day =) |
| 18:26.06 | rsimpkins | Or, about $4/person. |
| 18:26.26 | levi | Why bother with decent pizza? You're giving it away, and anyone who complains can stuff it. ;) |
| 18:26.43 | rsimpkins | Well, basically about $5/person is more like it. |
| 18:27.18 | rsimpkins | levi: Well, if someone will pay for it- wouldn't you rather have decent pizza than little cesars? |
| 18:27.52 | levi | I don't really mind the $5 Little Caesar's pizza. |
| 18:27.59 | sontek | When i'm paying I go for little caesars =) |
| 18:28.09 | sontek | so I don't expect anyone to go above and beyond what I do :P |
| 18:28.11 | rsimpkins | I was thinking Papa Johns. |
| 18:28.46 | levi | Well, if whoever is buying wants to splurge, that's fine, but I'm not particular about my free food. ;) |
| 18:29.09 | rsimpkins | Well, if we have to self-fund I guess we can do super-cheap |
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| 18:30.25 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure I'm going to have time to get all the ducks in a row by Feburary for food. |
| 18:31.11 | jsmith | Mmmmmn... foood |
| 18:31.52 | rsimpkins | To do that regularly you've got to appease a whole mess of people. |
| 18:32.08 | rsimpkins | Once in a while, and they don't care. Every month - and they start to get annoyed if you don't ask. :) |
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| 18:37.57 | Jayce^ | ~bonk harleypig |
| 18:37.58 | ibot | ACTION bonks harleypig over the head |
| 18:42.28 | levi | I hate car salesmen. |
| 18:42.41 | elg | are they cold-calling you? |
| 18:43.07 | levi | No. I went to a dealership to look at a car model I was interested in to see if it would really suit my needs. |
| 18:43.24 | levi | I really just wanted to take a couple of minutes and look through the windows. |
| 18:43.31 | elg | it would suit a salesman's needs if you bought it |
| 18:44.42 | levi | But no, I got accosted by a salesguy, who insisted on going to get the keys and having me take a drive, meanwhile accosting me with all sorts of questions about financing and when I might make a purchase so that I almost crashed into another vehicle I didn't notice because I was distracted and angry. |
| 18:44.53 | jsmith | levi: Do you know why? |
| 18:45.07 | levi | jsmith: Do I know why... what? |
| 18:45.19 | jsmith | levi: 86% of people who test drive a car end up buying it. And car salesmen know it. |
| 18:45.32 | jsmith | levi: Hence the reason they'll always pressure someone into going for a test drive. |
| 18:45.47 | levi | Anyway, I got a call from the guy today saying, "Great news! Give me a call back at..." |
| 18:45.59 | findlay | and programmers are cats? |
| 18:46.20 | jfarnsworth | jsmith: 86% huh... and 43% of all statistics are made up on the spot :) |
| 18:46.37 | levi | jsmith: I actually did want to test-drive it, but I would have preferred to do it when I had more time. |
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| 18:47.47 | levi | Anyway, it's statistics like that that and the way they're trained to take advantage of them that let me make general statements like 'I hate car salesmen'. |
| 18:49.40 | elg | levi: look on the bright side. assuming you didn't buy the car, you just lowered the statistic |
| 18:52.44 | levi | I actually had a much better experience at a different dealership. I test-drove a couple of different versions of the car, didn't feel any particular pressure, and didn't receive any phone calls later. I will probably go back to that dealership when I am actually likely to buy a new car in the near future. |
| 18:53.47 | goozbach | interesting... wc isn't unicode safe |
| 18:54.05 | elg | wc -l probably is ;-) |
| 18:54.15 | goozbach | elg: I don't want lines |
| 18:54.18 | goozbach | I want chars |
| 18:54.23 | levi | Legacy Mazda was the high-pressure dealership, Bountiful Mazda was the low-pressure one. Bountiful Mazda also sponsors the Utah Miata Club and gives nice parts discounts and car discounts to club members, though I'm no longer an active member. |
| 18:54.29 | goozbach | and it's not working on this sql dump |
| 18:54.36 | goozbach | cause of all the unicode. |
| 18:54.46 | levi | So, if anyone's looking at new Mazdas, I recommend taking the drive to Bountiful. |
| 18:54.48 | elg | levi: you should send a note to the legacy dealership |
| 18:55.07 | elg | about how you prefer the no-pressure service at bountiful mazda and thank you for not calling again |
| 18:55.38 | levi | elg: I probably should, but it's low on my list of things that I should probably do. |
| 18:55.47 | elg | think of how it'll make you feel |
| 18:55.53 | elg | type it up. it'll take 3 minutes |
| 18:56.01 | elg | if you get around to printing and mailing it, who knows |
| 18:56.56 | levi | My little rant here was cathartic enough, and actually communicating with them would go against my irrational dislike of communicating with people I don't know. :) |
| 18:57.18 | elg | that's why you write it to the dealership. it's an entity not a people :) |
| 19:04.26 | ^Migs^ | why do business majors go around telling people in IT "Someday I might be your boss!"? |
| 19:04.41 | elg | that's like asking why water is wet |
| 19:05.19 | mrpull | ^Migs^: that's when you tell them, yes, but I'll read your email then too |
| 19:05.29 | ^Migs^ | I'd like to see statistics on how many people with a business degree actually make it to upper management |
| 19:06.15 | elg | i'd like to see statistics on how many MBAs buy the first car they test drive |
| 19:06.17 | levi | Must be pretty small, considering the massive number of people in management degree programs. |
| 19:07.05 | ^Migs^ | undergrads in general are too ambitious for their own good, anyway |
| 19:07.37 | elg | you kind of have to be ambitious to justify to yourself all that time studying and all that money going into college |
| 19:08.05 | elg | not that getting a degree even if you're not going to be upper management is bad, just that "average success" isn't much of a motivator |
| 19:08.33 | elg | just look at keighvin for example. he wasn't talking enough in IRC so he just quit |
| 19:10.43 | ^Migs^ | that's just giving up |
| 19:10.56 | goozbach | quitter |
| 19:23.04 | ^Migs^ | http://rottenneighbor.com/ |
| 19:26.52 | RyanE | http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/index.html |
| 19:27.00 | RyanE | oops. |
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| 19:41.02 | vontrapp | can you do port forwarding without invoking the crap of nat? |
| 19:41.12 | vontrapp | e.g. forward on port to another on the same maching |
| 19:41.18 | vontrapp | s/ng/ne/ |
| 19:41.33 | vontrapp | s/on/one/ |
| 19:41.59 | vontrapp | how would such a thing look in iptables |
| 19:42.03 | Aliosa27 | you can use the magic of the dnat rule to do so |
| 19:42.08 | Tene | vontrapp: port forwarding *is* nat. |
| 19:42.15 | dataw0lf | anyone run into this JavaScript error: missing } in XML expression |
| 19:42.15 | dataw0lf | ? |
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| 19:42.40 | vontrapp | lemme rephrase, "redirect" a port |
| 19:42.40 | Tene | but, yes, -j DNAT --redirect-to localhost:8080 |
| 19:42.44 | Tene | iirc |
| 19:43.00 | Tene | no |
| 19:43.04 | Tene | --to-destination |
| 19:44.32 | Tene | -j DNAY --to-destination :8080 |
| 19:44.41 | Tene | s/DNAY/DNAT |
| 19:46.38 | dataw0lf | man, this error is ridiculous. |
| 19:47.25 | vontrapp | ok, thanks |
| 19:47.38 | vontrapp | i was getting errors on :8080, but adding -j DNAT fixed that |
| 20:41.45 | levi | Man, the weather is crazy. |
| 20:42.31 | sontek | yeah |
| 20:42.36 | sontek | It was so nice out too |
| 20:42.42 | sontek | the snow was melting and everything |
| 20:43.32 | levi | Just in time for MORE snow! |
| 20:43.36 | peno | I'm glad I telecommute. :) |
| 20:43.50 | levi | It'd be fun to find an empty parking lot. |
| 20:44.13 | levi | It's been a good test-run for my new snow tires, though. |
| 20:45.21 | dataw0lf | Alright guys, get ready to laugh. |
| 20:45.27 | dataw0lf | http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/javascript_equivalent_for_phps_strlen/ |
| 20:46.20 | dataw0lf | PHP's global namespace has gone airborne |
| 20:46.29 | dataw0lf | everyone buy their favorite language a biosuit. |
| 20:46.35 | levi | Yow. |
| 20:47.26 | levi | PHP's C implementation wasn't crappy and bug-ridden enough, so they decided to port it to javascript? :P |
| 20:49.59 | dataw0lf | poor, poor, poor JavaScript |
| 20:52.56 | Jayce^ | hey, perl and Java have projects with that, so php wants to follow |
| 20:54.30 | Jayce^ | actually, they just compile real code down to run on js, not write directly :) |
| 20:58.34 | levi | Heh, Mythbusters on Wednesday will feature the "airplane on a conveyor belt" problem. |
| 21:00.30 | dataw0lf | levi: that's an easy one |
| 21:00.44 | levi | dataw0lf: Well, the people on both sides of the issue say it's easy and obvious. |
| 21:00.51 | levi | dataw0lf: One group must be wrong. ;) |
| 21:01.11 | dataw0lf | well it is easy and obvious. They're taking normal moving objects (bicycles, cars, etc) in account. |
| 21:01.37 | levi | Who's "they"? |
| 21:01.52 | dataw0lf | people who say that a plane won't take off if it's on a conveyor belt. |
| 21:01.59 | levi | Ah. |
| 21:02.22 | Supaplex | no airflow, no lift |
| 21:02.37 | levi | Well, I believe you're correct, but you can point that out to the non-believers and they'll argue to the death that you're wrong. |
| 21:02.59 | dataw0lf | Supaplex: it doesn't matter. An airplane's wheels aren't it's propulsion, so it's kind of a trick questions. |
| 21:03.00 | Supaplex | okay. let's watch some tv :) |
| 21:03.04 | dataw0lf | s/questions/question |
| 21:03.05 | levi | Supaplex: Which part of the problem makes you believe there's no airflow? |
| 21:03.38 | dataw0lf | http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060203.html |
| 21:03.38 | mrpull | what about an airplane in a wind tunnel? |
| 21:03.45 | dataw0lf | Cecil Adams apparently already tackled this |
| 21:03.58 | dataw0lf | "A thought experiment commonly cited in discussions of this question is to imagine you're standing on a health-club treadmill in rollerblades while holding a rope attached to the wall in front of you. The treadmill starts; simultaneously you begin to haul in the rope. Although you'll have to overcome some initial friction tugging you backward, in short order you'll be able to pull yourself forward easily." |
| 21:05.03 | levi | http://jcnemecek.com/grosvenor/?p=40 |
| 21:06.17 | dataw0lf | levi: heh, no way |
| 21:07.04 | Supaplex | major wreck on i15 near santiquin? |
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| 21:08.13 | levi | dataw0lf: I had to think for a while to figure out the dirty word it could spell. |
| 21:08.39 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 21:08.39 | mrpull | it jumped out at me... now to find the intended word |
| 21:09.49 | mrpull | doh... now I've got it |
| 21:10.13 | dataw0lf | yea, took me a bit |
| 21:10.16 | levi | Pretty clever, though. |
| 21:10.40 | levi | At least if it was intentional. |
| 21:10.54 | mrpull | boing boing rocks |
| 21:11.17 | levi | Indeed. |
| 21:11.30 | levi | Ooh, a 32 megajoule railgun. |
| 21:11.44 | Supaplex | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2562382 for sweet |
| 21:12.16 | levi | Awesome. |
| 21:12.24 | dataw0lf | levi: :0. Navy? |
| 21:12.29 | levi | dataw0lf: Yup. |
| 21:12.44 | dataw0lf | Nice. I always wanted to see one of those fired. |
| 21:13.02 | levi | dataw0lf: Apparently they eventually want 64 megajoule ship-mounted guns. This 32 megajoule gun is for a lab. |
| 21:13.17 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 21:13.19 | levi | The big problem is power storage. :) |
| 21:13.21 | dataw0lf | that's nuts |
| 21:13.23 | dataw0lf | yea, no kidding |
| 21:14.03 | dataw0lf | man I sure wish there were people in Reno who played D&D |
| 21:14.15 | mrpull | we made very small railguns in a EE class I took |
| 21:14.35 | mrpull | it was a good time shooting those staples |
| 21:14.51 | dataw0lf | mrpull: that's awesome. sounds like a good prof :D |
| 21:15.25 | levi | I think I saw plans for building a railgun on Boing Boing at some point, too. :) |
| 21:15.39 | mrpull | he was awesome, but had some disagreement with the university and ended up leaving about 3/4's of the way thru the year |
| 21:16.00 | levi | Which university? |
| 21:16.06 | mrpull | university of utah |
| 21:16.15 | levi | Huh. |
| 21:16.35 | mrpull | it was a dark time at the UofU |
| 21:16.42 | mrpull | (at least for me) |
| 21:17.06 | mrpull | I was most interested in CE / EE and a bunch of profs defected for reasons unknown to me |
| 21:17.31 | mrpull | I ended up leaving too when my wife finished her BS |
| 21:17.56 | levi | mrpull: Did you finish later, or are you planning to finish? |
| 21:18.27 | mrpull | I finished (where I started) at UVSC. I honestly felt I got a better education from guys like chuck alison and dave heldenbrand |
| 21:18.52 | mrpull | (don't know if they are still around, that was about 6 years ago) |
| 21:18.53 | levi | Yeah. I only wish all the courses could be taught by guys like Chuck Allison and Dave Heldenbrand. |
| 21:19.06 | levi | mrpull: They're still there, and still awesome teachers. |
| 21:19.27 | levi | Reza Sanati is also still there, though. |
| 21:19.32 | mrpull | I had some stinker profs (or instructors) at uvsc but overall I was pleased with what I got out of it |
| 21:19.57 | dataw0lf | heh, I didn't know PLUG had a group on LinkedIn |
| 21:25.07 | goozbach | is there a guru in the house? |
| 21:25.19 | goozbach | current Guru that is |
| 21:25.22 | mrpull | the other source of frustration with the uofu was I went when they transitioned from quarters to semisters... it made taking some classes difficult and others had a bunch of material repeated during the transition |
| 21:27.45 | ^Migs^ | I love quarters |
| 21:27.49 | ^Migs^ | semesters are a pain |
| 21:28.07 | ^Migs^ | I hated it when Weber State transitioned to semesters, too |
| 21:28.37 | tensai | ^Migs^: they did it just to spite you |
| 21:28.42 | ^Migs^ | I KNOW! |
| 21:28.49 | ^Migs^ | and I will never forgive them |
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| 21:41.22 | tensai | sjansen: goozbach was looking for a guru |
| 21:41.45 | sjansen | So my brother recently signed up with Comcast. (He's poor, and their Internet plan is cheap.) |
| 21:42.21 | sjansen | After less than a week, his Internet connection stopped working. Comcast tech claimed everything was fine with the connection, must be a problem with the computer. |
| 21:42.55 | sjansen | Of course he calls me for help, even though I know nothing about Windows. I had it off to a friend that does, and they spend a couple hours suffering. |
| 21:43.37 | sjansen | One thing we eventually learned was that my brother had turned his firewall back on after the Comcast dude turned it off. |
| 21:44.38 | sjansen | Sadly, that wasn't the cause of the lost connectivity. |
| 21:45.02 | herlo | comcast's internet access is cheap? I paid through the nose for a crappy conection |
| 21:45.03 | sjansen | Then one day his connnection mysteriously started working again. Symantec pulled down new virus definitions and found one. |
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| 21:45.31 | findlay | hah |
| 21:45.36 | sjansen | Getting rid of the virus toasted the system. XP went to classic mode. Internet stopped working. Stability went down the drain. |
| 21:45.38 | herlo | sjansen: haha, that sucks. Power to the linux |
| 21:46.08 | findlay | yayz 4 t3h linuxen |
| 21:46.11 | sjansen | How much you wanna bet, the whole thing is thanks to the Comcast dude turning off the firewall when they setup his connection? |
| 21:46.22 | sjansen | Why do Windows users put up with stuff like that? |
| 21:47.16 | sontek | you can't blame the OS on stupidity =) |
| 21:47.28 | Tene | because it's so EASY sjansen lol!!! |
| 21:47.33 | herlo | no, but you can blame the isp |
| 21:47.55 | sontek | Yeah, but the ISP is chosen from stupidity too! |
| 21:48.09 | sontek | well, sometimes its the only option, but usually because of stupidity |
| 21:50.27 | sjansen | s/stupidity/poverty/ |
| 21:50.31 | Tene | I have some fun ideas for playing with parrot tonight. |
| 21:50.45 | sjansen | My brother uses Windows because he has to. Software he needs only works on Linux. |
| 21:51.00 | findlay | interesting |
| 21:51.12 | findlay | interesting paradox |
| 21:51.19 | sjansen | s/Linux/Windows/ |
| 21:51.29 | Tene | I want to get a perl 6 app using parrot's grammar engine. |
| 21:51.51 | findlay | is it a hybrid engine? |
| 21:52.03 | findlay | how does it compare to the Stirling cycle? |
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| 22:08.24 | tensai | sjansen: a while back you recommended I check out zenoss. I finally did and so far I like. still a few remaining questions but it's pretty cool. |
| 22:22.41 | tensai | the installation sure does take forever though |
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| 22:27.57 | goozbach | hey everybody! look what I found: http://www.zytrax.com/books/ldap/ch6/slapd-config.html |
| 22:30.02 | tensai | goozbach: ooh, neat! |
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| 22:31.42 | tensai | I already converted by acls to use groups which solved my biggest headache with openldap |
| 22:31.46 | tensai | s/by/my/ |
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| 22:45.01 | sjansen | goozbach: !!! |
| 22:45.37 | elg | broadcom 4312, anyone? should it work in ubuntu 7.10? |
| 22:47.50 | elg | what's that about airplanes and lift and conveyor belts? |
| 22:48.40 | tensai | elg: if an airplane is on a conveyor belt, will it be able to lift off? |
| 22:49.01 | elg | by virtue of being on a conveyor belt? |
| 22:49.11 | elg | or treating the (moving) conveyor belt as a runway? |
| 22:49.34 | tensai | elg: my wording is poor. if the runway is a conveyor belt moving in the opposite direction of the plane, will it stop the plane from taking off? |
| 22:49.44 | elg | no |
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| 22:50.12 | tensai | I hoped you'd get that right |
| 22:50.13 | elg | not unless it's going so blindingly fast as to melt the wheel bearings and cause the plane to nose over and explode |
| 22:50.50 | elg | building a huge conveyor belt and playing with planes aside, it's not even worth testing |
| 22:51.25 | elg | forward thrust is from the propeller, and if you move through the air you take off. what your wheels are doing is irrelevant |
| 22:51.26 | tensai | apparently mythbusters is going to test it |
| 22:52.02 | elg | i liked the one where they drive a taxi behind a 747 and it flips it |
| 22:52.02 | elg | the jet exhaust |
| 22:52.13 | Supaplex | why not tiedown the tail to something that still allows the plane to lift, but disallows forward movement? |
| 22:52.41 | elg | Supaplex: on the conveyor? |
| 22:52.51 | tensai | are we just trying to stop the plane from taking off? just kill the engine and that'll do it. |
| 22:52.52 | nick125 | Wouldn't that cause damage to the plane or to the object the plane is attached to? |
| 22:53.01 | Supaplex | deep 6 the conveyor. same concept |
| 22:53.12 | elg | if the tail is tied, you won't move through the air. if you don't move through the air, you don't take off |
| 22:53.17 | elg | barring a 70 mph wind or something |
| 22:53.55 | Supaplex | and if you're on a conveyor matching your speed, same concept. so both would be equal |
| 22:53.55 | elg | pilots rev the engine for a few tens of seconds with the brakes on before getting on the runway |
| 22:54.03 | elg | to check various things about the engine |
| 22:54.29 | elg | Supaplex: but the propellor doesn't care that you have a conveyor belt under you |
| 22:54.32 | elg | it pulls on the air |
| 22:54.48 | tensai | elg: the wheels spin freely. there is no self-locomotion to them. |
| 22:54.50 | elg | sure, the wheels will have to roll twice as fast |
| 22:55.01 | sjansen | http://www.freeipa.org/page/Main_Page |
| 22:55.02 | tensai | er, not elg. Supaplex. |
| 22:55.35 | Supaplex | imo, the conveyor overcomplicates the theory |
| 22:55.39 | Supaplex | that's all |
| 22:55.57 | goozbach | sjansen: ??? |
| 22:56.09 | elg | Supaplex: if you tied the tail to the conveyor, or left the brakes on, that would be another story |
| 22:56.56 | elg | actually, what I think is most likely to happen is the plane does something ugly for being yanked backwards at the speed of the conveyor and flips or crashes before you even have a chance to test the myth |
| 22:57.00 | elg | which will be spectacular, no doubt |
| 22:57.06 | sjansen | goozbach: freeIPA (so far) is an integrated solution combining: * Linux (currently Fedora) * Fedora Directory Server * FreeRADIUS * MIT Kerberos * NTP * DNS * Web and commandline provisioning and administration tools |
| 22:57.46 | nick125 | It seems like putting a plane on a conveyor belt would only cause the tires to skid in the direction of the plane. |
| 22:58.00 | elg | if you automagically sped up the conveyor to keep the plane in place, you might be able to keep enough friction on the wheels to keep the plane from moving forward |
| 22:58.09 | elg | but more likely your conveyor would reach its limit long before |
| 22:58.20 | goozbach | sjansen: The freeIPA project is in the initial stages of development and no releases have been made. A first release is anticipated in January 2008. |
| 22:58.25 | goozbach | that's not soon enough |
| 22:58.34 | elg | ~release goozbach |
| 22:58.57 | sjansen | It's still uber-cool. |
| 22:59.31 | tensai | sjansen: the idea is cool |
| 22:59.33 | goozbach | I don't dissagree |
| 22:59.39 | goozbach | I need something NOW |
| 22:59.46 | goozbach | and Fedora Directory server works |
| 22:59.58 | goozbach | if I can get my ACLS working that is... |
| 23:00.00 | elg | Supaplex: but if you tied the tail down, conveyor or no, the plane isn't going anywhere, esp not up |
| 23:00.10 | elg | unless the propeller can generate enough thrust to break the rope |
| 23:00.13 | elg | or drag the tie down |
| 23:00.28 | elg | goozbach: knee surgery? |
| 23:00.42 | tensai | different ACL methinks |
| 23:00.48 | goozbach | elg: not that acl |
| 23:00.51 | nick125 | I think he means ACL as in access control list |
| 23:01.06 | elg | well how boring |
| 23:01.26 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 23:01.29 | Lakshmi | all! |
| 23:01.36 | tensai | elg: he threw them out while building a giant conveyor belt :) |
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| 23:02.01 | bsdice | YO PPL |
| 23:02.32 | elg | are you here to argue about conveyor belts? |
| 23:02.58 | bsdice | who me? |
| 23:03.19 | tensai | elg: in australia the planes fly upside down, what with being on the other side of the planet |
| 23:03.37 | bsdice | ? |
| 23:03.40 | elg | that's nothing. at my grocery store conveyor belts run sideways |
| 23:03.51 | bsdice | I am watching a video |
| 23:04.18 | bsdice | I doubt Richard Dawkins has anything to do with conveyor belts |
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| 23:05.10 | goozbach | sinuhe: what are you doing here?! |
| 23:05.12 | goozbach | :) |
| 23:05.22 | goozbach | bah, he wont say anything. |
| 23:05.34 | goozbach | ~seen sinuhe |
| 23:05.37 | ibot | sinuhe is currently on #utah (1m 15s), last said: 'goozbach: Numbers is worse than Chronicles'. |
| 23:05.38 | sinuhe | goozbach: What do you mean, what am I doing here? :-P |
| 23:05.55 | bsdice | bah GNU |
| 23:05.58 | sinuhe | Woah. That was a while ago. |
| 23:06.00 | Tene | sinuhe: what are you doing here? |
| 23:06.01 | bsdice | BSD to the rescue |
| 23:06.03 | sinuhe | bsdice: Excuse me? |
| 23:06.03 | goozbach | wow, he said somehing |
| 23:06.11 | bsdice | just kiddn eh |
| 23:06.18 | goozbach | you haven't said anything in this channel since then ?! |
| 23:06.26 | goozbach | we love you man. |
| 23:06.37 | goozbach | if we didn't mock you, you'd know we didn't care |
| 23:06.39 | sinuhe | I am sufficiently chastized. :-) |
| 23:06.44 | sinuhe | Yeah, yeah |
| 23:07.01 | bsdice | have you thought about converting to bsd |
| 23:07.21 | bsdice | to the church of BSD :-) |
| 23:07.25 | nick125 | I'm so close to taking my treo into a Verizon store with a sledgehammer, and smashing the thing into pieces right in front of them |
| 23:07.32 | goozbach | oh boy |
| 23:07.51 | goozbach | yay! |
| 23:08.16 | sinuhe | goozbach: How goes the new job? |
| 23:08.20 | goozbach | bsdice: there's a reason the first two letters of BSD are BS... |
| 23:08.21 | nick125 | I just got home from getting another replacement device, and on this one, the screen is extremely blurry, like it has an orange shadow around it |
| 23:08.26 | goozbach | sinuhe: loving it |
| 23:08.32 | goozbach | we're back into startup mode |
| 23:08.40 | bsdice | goozbach people mistake me for b/s dice |
| 23:08.49 | bsdice | I have no connection with reno or vegas though |
| 23:09.00 | goozbach | atlantic city then? |
| 23:09.12 | tensai | monte carlo? |
| 23:09.13 | sinuhe | bsdice: BSD is the core of most of the internet, and OSes that run it (including GNU). |
| 23:09.31 | sinuhe | Mmmm...Monte Carlos: good cigars. Remember that goozbach? |
| 23:09.43 | goozbach | I have the best of both worlds, startup atmosphere, and fortune 500 budget |
| 23:09.55 | bsdice | GNU runs internet? |
| 23:10.01 | bsdice | since when :) |
| 23:10.06 | sinuhe | bsdice: :-P |
| 23:10.12 | goozbach | sinuhe: yep, I still dream about that steak |
| 23:10.57 | bsdice | JNPR runs some ancient freebsd for boot and console |
| 23:11.05 | bsdice | force10 uses netbsd |
| 23:11.13 | levi | Man, commuterlink.utah.gov is hosed. |
| 23:11.18 | bsdice | Cisco as usual run their own shit |
| 23:12.06 | bsdice | sinuhe frankly I don't know why I keep coming here |
| 23:12.27 | bsdice | I have almost no connection with utah except buying some products from utah |
| 23:12.56 | unum | what products do you buy from here |
| 23:13.16 | bsdice | shadowprotect |
| 23:13.27 | bsdice | from draper based storagecraft |
| 23:13.35 | unum | I bet most of those bsd's were compiled with gcc :) |
| 23:13.44 | bsdice | I am still eying Wayne's World Drive |
| 23:13.59 | levi | Heh. |
| 23:14.59 | unum | I was arguing with a bsd guy once. And he made some statement that made me ask him to define bsd. I think his definition included the bsd license somehow |
| 23:15.07 | unum | so I asked if bsd had a compiler |
| 23:15.15 | unum | he answered yes "gcc" |
| 23:16.09 | bsdice | yeah |
| 23:16.11 | bsdice | compilers |
| 23:16.17 | bsdice | well openbsd is making some progress |
| 23:16.20 | bsdice | to abolish gcc |
| 23:16.35 | levi | What's the llvm license? |
| 23:16.42 | bsdice | not llvm |
| 23:16.45 | bsdice | pcc |
| 23:16.46 | nick125 | It'll probably be years from they could replace GCC. |
| 23:16.51 | bsdice | its portable c compiler |
| 23:17.08 | bsdice | nick125 its worth the pain |
| 23:17.10 | levi | bsdice: My question was not directly related to the BSD C compiler. |
| 23:18.19 | levi | Hmm, looks like the current C/C++ frontend is based on gcc, and is thus GPLed. The backend is 'University of Illinois Open Source License'. |
| 23:18.35 | bsdice | damn canucks |
| 23:18.39 | bsdice | Legalize Canada. |
| 23:18.46 | levi | Which is basically a BSD-style license. |
| 23:19.53 | bsdice | it'll take a while |
| 23:20.10 | levi | Someone should plug the pcc front-end into llvm. |
| 23:20.15 | bsdice | and pcc is not shooting for 100% performance on x86/x64 as is gcc now |
| 23:20.33 | bsdice | more like 90% performance through only 30% of code |
| 23:21.01 | bsdice | I once tried to squash a bug in the atmel backend of gcc |
| 23:21.13 | bsdice | whoever invented the machine description in lisp |
| 23:21.27 | bsdice | needs his balls re-attached |
| 23:21.28 | bsdice | to quote american pie |
| 23:21.39 | bsdice | Stifler hrhrhr |
| 23:22.41 | levi | Early GNU culture liked Lisp a lot more than modern GNU culture. |
| 23:23.25 | levi | That's probably one of the places where it stuck due to few people poking around in it. |
| 23:23.26 | bsdice | lisp and scheme |
| 23:23.53 | levi | RMS was a hardcore lisp hacker. |
| 23:26.57 | levi | Well, when the clang frontend to llvm is finished, it'll be the rockingest C-family compiler with a BSD-style license evar! |
| 23:27.25 | bsdice | are you an apple fan |
| 23:27.49 | levi | I generally like Apple stuff, but I knew about llvm before Apple started using it. |
| 23:28.11 | bsdice | personally I prefer a compiler that is 100KB in size and does 90% speed/size of code of Intel's |
| 23:28.48 | levi | Well, that's nice if you want to hack on it or port it or something. |
| 23:29.07 | bsdice | that's the idea |
| 23:29.21 | bsdice | and the basis of its appeal |
| 23:29.42 | levi | gcc is already ported most everywhere, though, so I don't see the point. |
| 23:30.22 | bsdice | gcc is a bloated pig |
| 23:30.32 | bsdice | unmaintainable |
| 23:30.45 | elg | which explains how it has survived so far |
| 23:30.49 | levi | Clearly it's not unmaintainable, since it is actively maintained. |
| 23:31.01 | bsdice | think out of the box |
| 23:31.03 | bsdice | please |
| 23:31.11 | bsdice | not everyone runs linux :) |
| 23:31.17 | levi | I.e., think inside *your* box? |
| 23:31.20 | bsdice | not everyone wants i386 |
| 23:31.31 | elg | even if I think in your box, gcc is still maintained |
| 23:31.37 | elg | unless your box alters reality |
| 23:31.45 | bsdice | it does |
| 23:31.47 | levi | bsdice: I use gcc on Windows to build for weird embedded chips sometimes. |
| 23:32.05 | bsdice | weird embedded like what |
| 23:32.11 | levi | Like nios2 |
| 23:32.14 | elg | like the software that runs your box |
| 23:32.21 | bsdice | isn't that altera |
| 23:32.28 | levi | (The nios2 port was, when I used it, not quite complete. :/ ) |
| 23:32.31 | levi | Yes. |
| 23:33.01 | bsdice | I respect your opinion though |
| 23:33.19 | levi | The other ones I've used have been less weird, like PPC and MIPS variants. |
| 23:33.42 | bsdice | lots of them use gcc 3.x still |
| 23:34.22 | levi | Sure, but how is that worse than using pcc or something else non-gcc-based that's less mature? |
| 23:35.33 | bsdice | it isn't |
| 23:35.50 | bsdice | but since 4.x is out since like what, couple of years? |
| 23:35.56 | bsdice | I consider this a failure |
| 23:36.21 | bsdice | but 2 eurocents mine only |
| 23:36.21 | levi | Well, part of it is the fact that gcc has moved away from features that were convenient for embedded systems. |
| 23:36.35 | bsdice | ya |
| 23:36.51 | bsdice | its a hute package |
| 23:37.16 | bsdice | and I think development is driven by apple and who else to speed up intel chips |
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| 23:37.51 | levi | What I'm referring to is a change in handling of packed structs. |
| 23:38.14 | sinuhe | Bloody hotel lease expiration. |
| 23:39.54 | bsdice | could be a dhcpd compiled with pcc |
| 23:40.11 | bsdice | ;) |
| 23:40.25 | bsdice | levi I hope there'll be alternatives |
| 23:40.28 | tensai | eek. I broke my svk repository. |
| 23:40.40 | levi | bsdice: Alternatives to what? |
| 23:40.41 | bsdice | BSD licensed -> the happier |
| 23:40.57 | bsdice | to gcc as a cross platform compiler (cross <-> cross) |
| 23:41.59 | sinuhe | As long as it's free software, that's all I care about. |
| 23:42.10 | levi | Oh. Well, alternatives would be great, of course, but it may be a while until there's a C compiler that's a serious rival to gcc. |
| 23:42.35 | bsdice | so... don't hold your breath then |
| 23:42.51 | vontrapp | why does pidgin not have an invisible status for xmpp anymore?? |
| 23:43.03 | sinuhe | It's a lot of work to do that. Theo's (of OpenBSD fame) wanted a gcc replacement for a while. |
| 23:43.07 | levi | I think clang is the up-and-coming rival, but it's got a long way to go. |
| 23:43.26 | Supaplex | psi > pidgin.xmpp :P |
| 23:43.33 | bsdice | yah |
| 23:43.58 | vontrapp | tried psi some time ago, i missed tabbed conversations too much |
| 23:44.09 | vontrapp | other than that, pretty much it was > |
| 23:44.22 | elg | tensai: don't do that |
| 23:44.33 | tensai | elg: oh, ok. thanks. |
| 23:44.35 | sinuhe | Give it to a grad student for an assignment. |
| 23:45.02 | levi | I see pcc as more of a 'let's get this working so we don't have to depend on FSF stuff to build our BSD stuff' thing, i.e. a matter of principle rather than practicality. |
| 23:45.20 | levi | Whereas clang has some very practical motivations and some corporate backing. |
| 23:45.29 | tensai | elg: .svk/config got filled with garbage. I lost all my workareas but luckily I had committed everything. |
| 23:45.32 | vontrapp | what i don't get is why now AIM has invisible (which it never did before) but xmpp which always did, now doesn't |
| 23:45.36 | sinuhe | I think BSD needs a good compiler that's BSD licensed. The competition can't hurt. |
| 23:46.44 | levi | sinuhe: Even if pcc is *mostly* as fast as gcc, though, practical people will prefer using the faster compiler for their code. |
| 23:46.56 | bsdice | nope |
| 23:47.15 | atoponce | vontrapp: gajim does tabs. i thought psi did too. in fact, i'm pretty sure it does |
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| 23:47.37 | levi | I submit that someone with the nick 'bsdice' does not qualify as a practically-motivated individual when dealing with things relating to BSD. :P |
| 23:48.03 | bsdice | actually I have submitted patches |
| 23:48.10 | levi | That's irrelevant to my point. |
| 23:48.25 | levi | Ideologically-motivated people submit patches, too. |
| 23:48.30 | tensai | elg: when I remove a workarea, do need to uncheck it out? or can I just remove the workarea and be done with it? |
| 23:48.33 | sinuhe | levi: He doesn't have Theo at his back with a verbal whip. :-) |
| 23:49.00 | vontrapp | atoponce: that may well be the case, it was over a year ago i tried it |
| 23:49.47 | atoponce | ahh. yeah. there are probably some changes then. psi is nice. 2nd only to gajim |
| 23:49.49 | bsdice | you just try to create stinky mood in my head |
| 23:51.00 | elg | tensai: alas, I don't have a clue |
| 23:52.31 | tensai | elg: svk co -d |
| 23:52.48 | sjansen | http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ |
| 23:53.18 | dataw0lf | bsdice: is your nick really BSD Ice? Like, the free software version of Vanilla Ice? |
| 23:53.31 | sinuhe | levi: So far, I've not found a decent competitor to gcc |
| 23:53.36 | bsdice | no its bs-dice |
| 23:53.48 | dataw0lf | oh well that's just boring. |
| 23:53.50 | sinuhe | sjansen: That's quite the website. |
| 23:54.06 | bsdice | whats with the 0 |
| 23:54.35 | bsdice | vanilla ice the "singer"? |
| 23:54.38 | sinuhe | bsdice: It's that whole l33t thing I imagine. |
| 23:54.45 | dataw0lf | No, Vanilla Ice the professor at MIT. |
| 23:55.01 | bsdice | damn Utah is DENSE tonight |
| 23:55.09 | bsdice | :-D |
| 23:56.50 | atoponce | bsdice: are you running bsd on your system? if so, which flavor? |
| 23:57.10 | bsdice | sure do |
| 23:57.19 | bsdice | I run vanillabsd |
| 23:57.21 | bsdice | :-P |
| 23:57.38 | vontrapp | vanillabsdice |
| 23:57.41 | vontrapp | ice baby |
| 23:57.45 | dataw0lf | I knew it |
| 23:57.51 | bsdice | actually file servers are freebsd7 and firewalls at home and in the office run openbsd4.2 |
| 23:58.05 | atoponce | bsdice: what about desktop/laptop? |
| 23:58.24 | bsdice | there I run WinXP and Vista |
| 23:58.33 | atoponce | ouch. sorry |
| 23:58.37 | bsdice | :-P |
| 23:59.04 | atoponce | and to think i was gaining respect for you |
| 23:59.10 | atoponce | :) |
| 23:59.19 | bsdice | well I need it for work |
| 23:59.20 | dataw0lf | Heh. |
| 23:59.27 | bsdice | wifeys laptop runs ubuntu |
| 23:59.36 | bsdice | or kubuntu I don't know its hers |
