| 00:00.40 | mrpull- | are you sending a random line or displaying one on your side |
| 00:00.40 | mrpull- | do what you want on your screen... don't send crap to mine :) |
| 00:01.37 | herlo | harleypig: hi |
| 00:01.43 | harleypig | herlo: lo |
| 00:01.48 | rsimpkins | Someone did one the other day that looked like a backspace button. |
| 00:01.50 | herlo | harleypig: left |
| 00:01.51 | rsimpkins | It was kinda cool. |
| 00:01.57 | harleypig | herlo: up |
| 00:02.01 | herlo | harleypig: down |
| 00:02.12 | harleypig | herlo: bored? |
| 00:02.30 | harleypig | What? The 'up'? or the non-traditional answer in general? |
| 00:02.32 | herlo | harleypig: I have a crappy interent connection (my phone) for another day or two |
| 00:02.55 | herlo | so I said hi, because I figured it was appropreiate |
| 00:02.56 | harleypig | ah ... practising your thumb typing? |
| 00:03.01 | harleypig | it's pretty good. |
| 00:03.03 | herlo | s/pre/pr |
| 00:03.06 | harleypig | :D |
| 00:03.22 | harleypig | Unfortunately, I've accomodated to the methadone. |
| 00:03.22 | herlo | harleypig: actually, my phone is the internet access I use for both my t60p and eeep c |
| 00:03.44 | harleypig | I figured ... was just being a smart ass^Waleck |
| 00:03.48 | herlo | so I have a full keyboard infront of me right now |
| 00:04.52 | harleypig | Have you heard of that wearable computer that uses an 80GB solid state hard drive and the new clear transistors for the monitors in the glasses? |
| 00:05.07 | harleypig | and the laser virtual keyboard and mouse |
| 00:05.18 | herlo | harleypig: sounds familiar, wipes the slobber from his jacket |
| 00:05.24 | harleypig | heh |
| 00:05.34 | herlo | harleypig: my slobber, not yours |
| 00:05.58 | harleypig | I didn't realzie they had gotten solid state commercialized enough for common use. |
| 00:06.04 | harleypig | or for that large a hd |
| 00:06.15 | rsimpkins | Heath Ledger is dead, if anyone follows that sort of thing. |
| 00:06.21 | harleypig | ? |
| 00:06.25 | harleypig | od? |
| 00:07.47 | herlo | harleypig: I have a 4G in my eeep and another one has 8G, I saw an announcement for a 128G solid state recently |
| 00:08.36 | harleypig | herlo: yeah, I knew the smaller (well, for modren times) sizes, but 80G is actually usuable for a computer system. |
| 00:08.55 | mrpull- | herlo: how can you judge how that disk performs compared to a typical laptop HDD? |
| 00:09.11 | mrpull- | i think my laptop would be more usable if the disk wasn't so damn slow |
| 00:09.13 | harleypig | mrpull-: it's not the performance ... |
| 00:09.22 | harleypig | it's the reliabiilty |
| 00:09.46 | mrpull- | for me... battery, then performance, then reliability |
| 00:09.59 | mrpull- | i can replace a failed disk easily |
| 00:10.12 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.18 | herlo | mrpull-: I'd say that harleypig is right |
| 00:10.35 | elg | what about write limits? |
| 00:10.41 | herlo | thing is, how many writes can it accommodate before it needs to be replaced |
| 00:10.46 | herlo | elg: exactly |
| 00:11.18 | harleypig | Yeah, that's what I was wondering as well |
| 00:11.42 | mrpull- | perfomance is still my number one factor (as long as it is reasonably big) |
| 00:11.47 | harleypig | but if it's being used in ipods and the like, write limits have to be in the tens of thousands, if not more. |
| 00:12.11 | elg | ipods are mostly rea |
| 00:12.12 | harleypig | mrpull-: well, with a solid state hard drive and enough memory you could actually get better performance *and* reliability. |
| 00:12.12 | elg | d |
| 00:12.24 | mrpull- | as everybody is talking about resuming from hard disk... i find on my laptop it is just faster to boot than to restore a hybernated session from my slow disk |
| 00:13.13 | harleypig | That brings up another question ... what sizes is NVRAM getting up to? |
| 00:14.03 | harleypig | I realize these terms are probably old, but I've not looked at hardware for a long time. |
| 00:14.28 | harleypig | uh ... Heath Ledger died in Mary-Kate Olsens apartment ... |
| 00:14.46 | harleypig | Are we gonna be hearing about funky equipment now? |
| 00:14.50 | harleypig | strange bruises? |
| 00:15.06 | mrpull- | aren't flash drives considered SDRAM? in that case... 8GB are common |
| 00:15.19 | mrpull- | s/SDRAM/NVRAM/ |
| 00:15.21 | mrpull- | doh |
| 00:15.52 | harleypig | flash drives aren't solid state |
| 00:15.56 | harleypig | are they? |
| 00:16.00 | harleypig | I thought they were different |
| 00:16.04 | harleypig | technologies. |
| 00:16.11 | mrpull- | mine don't have any moving parts ;-) |
| 00:16.26 | mrpull- | or use tubes |
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| 00:16.30 | herlo | harleypig: flash drives should be considered the same AFAIK |
| 00:16.49 | herlo | but mines not a flash drive in the eeep |
| 00:17.38 | herlo | it appears to be in a sort of ide/sata slot. I recently attempted (at FUDCon) to take it apart. Still have yet to try again, but probably will soon |
| 00:18.52 | harleypig | *shrug* I thought they were different technologies. |
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| 00:19.12 | harleypig | Don't have the time to look it up and the moment ... gotta go make dinner. bbiach |
| 00:24.02 | mrpull- | herlo: did you see that guy that hacked a big thumbdrive into his eep? |
| 00:24.02 | Supaplex | yay. my 2 8gb sdhc cards are here. :) |
| 00:25.17 | mrpull- | Supaplex: what are you sticking them in? |
| 00:25.53 | herlo | mrpull-: no, where? I'm actually interested in doting that |
| 00:25.59 | herlo | s/oti/oi/g |
| 00:26.20 | mrpull- | i'll try to dig it up... |
| 00:26.24 | herlo | but we were looking at doing something like that at fudcond |
| 00:26.27 | Supaplex | mrpull-: Canon A570 IS camera |
| 00:26.29 | herlo | s/ond/ong |
| 00:26.37 | herlo | nm, I suck at typing today |
| 00:27.25 | mrpull- | Supaplex: that'll be a lot of pictures! |
| 00:27.43 | Supaplex | a high capacity sdhc card is much cheaper than an hd camcorder. and vga@30fps is plenty for my needs. it's motion jpeg, so I should get an hour of out it. |
| 00:27.59 | mrpull- | ahh... cool idea |
| 00:28.06 | Supaplex | and since I already own the camera, it was an easy choice. :) |
| 00:29.10 | nick125 | Smartphones: Can't live without them, can't live with them. |
| 00:29.28 | Supaplex | I get an est 139m at 15fps, and 69m at 30fps |
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| 00:39.58 | levi | Cool, the thread on PLUG may have finally died. |
| 00:40.23 | levi | If so, I won't be tempted to spew any more "muddy philosphy", whatever that means. |
| 00:46.25 | findlay | heh |
| 00:56.26 | levi | BTW, if you're interested in learning Haskell, http://www.realworldhaskell.org/ is a new O'Reilly book currently in an open beta for public review. |
| 00:59.05 | findlay | man this linear algebra text is so cryptic |
| 01:05.01 | levi | Fun. |
| 01:05.25 | levi | I still have my BYU linear algebra textbook. I think it was pretty good. |
| 01:08.37 | findlay | the book has 6 equivalent statements for square matricies. Wikipedia has 17 :-) |
| 01:09.03 | findlay | of course wikipedia is not going to withold advanced material like an introductory text will |
| 01:09.37 | harleypig | oh god ... when did jesse stay get funding? |
| 01:09.45 | harleypig | I've been out for waaaaay too long. |
| 01:10.20 | levi | Heh. |
| 01:10.24 | levi | Kinda scary, eh? |
| 01:10.32 | levi | And he co-wrote a book. |
| 01:10.36 | harleypig | And he's an author? |
| 01:10.42 | harleypig | what has this world come to? |
| 01:10.48 | harleypig | and why can't I get in on some of it? |
| 01:10.54 | levi | The publisher looks pretty sketchy, though. |
| 01:11.17 | levi | harleypig: Well, your Second Life idea sounds about on the same level as his stuff. :) |
| 01:11.22 | harleypig | touche |
| 01:11.24 | harleypig | ouch |
| 01:11.37 | findlay | good stuff |
| 01:11.42 | harleypig | findlay doesn't know what he's listening to? |
| 01:11.56 | levi | I suspect he's using that Unicode stuff. |
| 01:12.01 | harleypig | or do I need to install a unicode font |
| 01:12.02 | harleypig | ? |
| 01:12.30 | findlay | harleypig: „Испанско капричио“ (Испанское каприччио, Каприччио на испанские темы, Capriccio espagnol), Op. 34, е музикално произведение, създадено от Николай Римски-Корсаков през 1887 на базата на испански мелодии. |
| 01:12.57 | findlay | cut and paste from Russian wikipedia, man |
| 01:13.23 | harleypig | this is what I got: ,,???????? ????????" (????????? ?????????, ????????? ?? ????????? ????, Capriccio espagnol), Op. 34, ? |
| 01:13.29 | harleypig | and a bunch more ?s |
| 01:13.54 | findlay | your unicode bliss is at a dangerously low level |
| 01:13.59 | harleypig | or did cut-n-paste just repaste the same chars so you're seeing what you typed? |
| 01:14.12 | harleypig | or pasted? |
| 01:14.24 | harleypig | my bliss is just fine :> |
| 01:14.39 | findlay | http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BE |
| 01:15.06 | harleypig | as soon as I take a double dose of my pain meds I'll be truly blissful for awhile. |
| 01:15.21 | findlay | the internets makes learning languages soo much fun |
| 01:15.35 | findlay | here's an experiment |
| 01:15.45 | findlay | try changing your locale every day |
| 01:15.50 | findlay | see if you can get by |
| 01:16.01 | findlay | better yet, try to learn some of the language |
| 01:16.30 | findlay | it's amazing how many places it'll pop up |
| 01:34.23 | rsimpkins | I need to sort a whole mess of photos visually. Some are duplicates, some are the wrong category, etc, etc. |
| 01:34.39 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know of a good tool to do that with? |
| 01:35.09 | rsimpkins | I love it when family members just dump a ton of photo CDs on you and expect you to deal with it. :) |
| 01:35.33 | levi | The thumbnail view of the gnome file manager? |
| 01:36.32 | rsimpkins | I guess I was hoping for something a little tricker, but that might work. |
| 01:36.59 | levi | There may be a better way, but I'm not sure what it would be. |
| 01:37.28 | rsimpkins | I want a mostly full screen image on the right, with a directory structure on the left, drag and drop to the right folder to sort it. |
| 01:37.39 | rsimpkins | I just need to google more for a photo sorter I guess. |
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| 02:14.00 | xbmodder_ | How so you make less's search case insensitive again? |
| 02:18.04 | Supaplex | -i |
| 02:18.57 | Supaplex | time to go clean off my driveway from the last few days snowfall. |
| 02:24.24 | xbmodder_ | heh |
| 02:24.28 | xbmodder_ | Supaplex, where do you work |
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| 02:45.09 | Supaplex | mostly freelancing. I have a job app with no b+m office I applied for a week or two ago. hope to hear soon from them. |
| 02:52.00 | rsimpkins | Ahh, the life of a sys admin. Working in 'relaxing' attire. At least, I have to tell myself these things when I end up working super-long hours all day and night. :) |
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| 02:56.00 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 02:56.01 | Lakshmi | xbmodder_ |
| 02:56.58 | Supaplex | man it's down right kouwld ouusigh |
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| 02:57.23 | Supaplex | oh, well 15.9F explains it. |
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| 03:02.25 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 03:02.27 | Lakshmi | dudes |
| 03:03.08 | Supaplex | woot |
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| 03:04.37 | ibot | gives fozzmoo a stern handshake and a pat on the back. and then kisses him. |
| 03:05.09 | mrpull-lt | fozz: what's with all the kissing? |
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| 03:06.50 | goozbach | fozz is into that bot love. |
| 03:07.23 | fozzmoo | boom chicka boom bow! |
| 03:08.17 | Supaplex | tiwula: oh my bad. :) nm! |
| 03:10.57 | elg | blast, gmail doesn't support imap unsubscribe |
| 03:23.06 | levi | elg: I haven't tried the imap support yet. I've just been POPping. |
| 03:29.36 | Supaplex | google imap busticates my kmail every time I try to access it |
| 03:31.07 | levi | elg: You might find this interesting: http://samdanielson.com/2008/1/23/haskell-music |
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| 03:35.06 | xbmodder_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.31 | levi | No, -L specifies a search path for libraries. |
| 03:35.57 | levi | -l specifies a library to link against; in this case you'd use -lrmfkey |
| 03:36.27 | fozzmoo | Like... -L/usr/lib -lrmfkey -O3 |
| 03:36.29 | xbmodder_ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldynamic/librmfkey.so |
| 03:36.46 | fozzmoo | Yeah, -l doesn't take a path. It takes a library name. |
| 03:37.05 | fozzmoo | (which is often the base filename minus "lib") |
| 03:37.25 | xbmodder_ | gah /me yells at our build engineer |
| 03:38.17 | xbmodder_ | test.c:(.text+0x21): undefined reference to `RmfReaderCreate' |
| 03:39.10 | xbmodder_ | gah |
| 03:39.17 | elg | well, no unsubscribe isn't a deal-breaker, since you can just delete labels and then reapply them later |
| 03:39.18 | xbmodder_ | I'll ask him to repackage this later |
| 03:39.27 | elg | when it comes to automatable labels like for lists |
| 03:39.41 | elg | handlabeling would be a different thing, but if you're handlabeling you probably wouldn't unsubscribe from that anyway |
| 03:42.22 | xbmodder_ | ./test |
| 03:42.22 | xbmodder_ | ./test: error while loading shared libraries: librmfkey.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:42.26 | xbmodder_ | ls ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}/librmfkey.so |
| 03:42.26 | xbmodder_ | /home/sargun/rmelib_4.2.4_redhat40_gcc346/dynamic//librmfkey.so |
| 03:42.50 | xbmodder_ | hm. |
| 03:43.28 | elg | levi: interesting |
| 03:44.10 | elg | in a "that's cute and if I ever learn haskell I'll look closer and see if I can learn anything or think of a better way to approach synthesis in haskell" |
| 03:44.17 | elg | way |
| 04:04.46 | Supaplex | http://ihasahotdog.com/2007/12/21/i-hate-everything/ |
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| 04:20.30 | levi | elg: In gnus, I just edit the 'From:' header as I send. :) |
| 04:20.55 | levi | I don't expect you'd want to use gnus, though. |
| 04:30.05 | elg | no. possibly mutt though |
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| 04:58.05 | ibot | gives fozzmoo a stern handshake and a pat on the back. and then kisses him. |
| 05:04.30 | herlo | ibot: agreed |
| 05:06.18 | fozzmoo | herlo: pang |
| 05:07.25 | herlo | fozzmoo: hi |
| 06:56.10 | findlay | man |
| 06:56.27 | findlay | I know there's sites out there that specialize in hard to find classical recordings |
| 06:56.41 | Supaplex | some are even online |
| 06:56.57 | findlay | ~lart tower.com for discontinuing their classical recording taxonomy |
| 06:56.57 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, tower.com!" and lops off tower.com's head for discontinuing their classical recording taxonomy |
| 06:59.03 | findlay | tower has such a huge offering, 50000+, (at least they *did*--who knows how RIAA madness has modified their psyche, hm negatively looking at their prices) that you could intersect a conductor set with a composer set find what you wanted and usually find what you want |
| 06:59.42 | findlay | they all seem to be located in GB for some reason |
| 07:00.09 | findlay | hmv.co.jp used to be good |
| 07:00.17 | findlay | and hmv.com.au |
| 07:02.21 | findlay | amazon's probably the worst place to find CD's unless you look in their marketplace, nothing in stock and expensive |
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| 07:30.53 | findlay | http://www.tower.com/details/details.cfm?wapi=106445019 |
| 07:31.10 | findlay | 33 CD's and that's all the info I get? |
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| 07:58.08 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 07:58.10 | Lakshmi | xbmodder_ hey |
| 08:23.47 | Supaplex | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/26/funny-pictures-turn-gravity-back-on/ |
| 09:04.17 | Supaplex | Lakshmi: bye :) |
| 09:04.50 | Lakshmi | Supaplex bye1 |
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| 14:20.36 | elg | heh. |
| 14:54.50 | goozbach | good morning gooberfaces! |
| 14:57.10 | Sargun | goodmorning gooz. |
| 14:57.36 | Sargun | goozbach: do you have any kids yet? |
| 14:58.49 | Sargun | is findlay awake |
| 15:00.22 | Sargun | for i in *; do echo "Good morning ${i}; done |
| 15:00.26 | Sargun | ergle. |
| 15:00.37 | Sargun | ctrl c |
| 15:00.51 | Sargun | for i in *; do echo "Good morning ${i}"; done |
| 15:01.00 | Sargun | better... |
| 15:04.54 | goozbach | no kids yet |
| 15:05.01 | goozbach | (hopefully) |
| 15:08.20 | Sargun | heh. |
| 15:10.50 | Sargun | i wonder who is saner, the girl with hair glued to her head (my guess is its glued) or the old man with pure white hair and a white jacket with black dress pants wearing black round sun glasses over his eyes and a white baby bear blanket |
| 15:11.00 | Sargun | oh, in a dimly lit car. |
| 15:13.52 | Sargun | or the rocking out cadence engineer |
| 15:14.07 | Sargun | who seems to be headbanging in his sleep... |
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| 15:16.39 | Sargun | heya redbeard2 |
| 15:16.52 | redbeard2 | heya Sargun |
| 15:16.53 | Sargun | what are you teaching this week? |
| 15:17.11 | redbeard2 | i'm at home this week. |
| 15:17.31 | Sargun | oh :-( |
| 15:17.43 | redbeard2 | i'll be in raleigh next week tho |
| 15:18.22 | Sargun | oh HQ de RH |
| 15:18.37 | Sargun | are they preparing a new curriculum |
| 15:19.05 | redbeard2 | not that i know of. i'm just teaching the beginner's class there. |
| 15:19.19 | Sargun | oh rh033? |
| 15:20.12 | redbeard2 | yeah |
| 15:22.19 | Sargun | fun |
| 15:22.31 | Sargun | is that your favorite class to teach? |
| 15:22.56 | Sargun | or are you a more hard core rhca guy |
| 15:24.08 | redbeard2 | i actually really like teaching the 033. haven't done it in a few months tho. i've mostly been doing the 133 lately. |
| 15:24.59 | Sargun | rhcts.. |
| 15:25.39 | redbeard2 | yeah |
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| 15:26.43 | dmdavis | ~onjoin dmdavis |
| 15:26.43 | ibot | onjoin for dmdavis set by elg on Tue Jan 22 07:38:50 2008: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=967 |
| 15:26.52 | Sargun | dmdavis: hey |
| 15:27.00 | dmdavis | Sargun: hi |
| 15:28.06 | Sargun | whats up |
| 15:28.07 | dmdavis | ~onjoin dmdavis Werewolf barmitzvah, spooky, scary. Boys becoming men, men becoming wolves! |
| 15:28.07 | ibot | ok, dmdavis |
| 15:28.33 | dmdavis | not much |
| 15:29.02 | dmdavis | actually, do you know any free software to get a barcode from an image in Linux? |
| 15:29.22 | Sargun | whats with your new (and slightly creepy) onjoin? |
| 15:30.00 | dmdavis | it's from the TV show 30 Rock. this one funny guy talks about how he had a hit party song a while ago, and that was it |
| 15:30.15 | Sargun | oh |
| 15:30.24 | dmdavis | they show him dressed up like a werewolf from Thriller, dancing to it. pretty funny |
| 15:30.36 | Sargun | brb |
| 15:31.38 | Sargun | gah |
| 15:31.52 | Sargun | women have to put make up at the worst times.. |
| 15:32.02 | dmdavis | driving? |
| 15:32.37 | Sargun | no, when im planning to talk to them |
| 15:32.48 | dmdavis | :) |
| 15:33.59 | Sargun | en approavh she gets out likee 5 different devices to decorateherself |
| 15:34.10 | dmdavis | where are you these mornings that you're always finding women to talk to? |
| 15:34.31 | Sargun | im on the commuter train. |
| 15:35.33 | dmdavis | you checked for a ring this time, I assume? :) |
| 15:35.58 | Sargun | uhg. |
| 15:36.06 | Sargun | CRAP |
| 15:36.17 | dmdavis | oh man. |
| 15:36.19 | Sargun | there is a ring :-X |
| 15:36.29 | Sargun | right ring finger |
| 15:36.35 | dmdavis | good thing she was putting on makeup |
| 15:36.41 | Sargun | large stone |
| 15:37.33 | Sargun | and she looks like the kind of girl whno dates the kinda guys that would hurt me. |
| 15:37.41 | Sargun | ok then.. |
| 15:37.52 | Sargun | that was a waste |
| 15:38.13 | dmdavis | it was a learning experience. CHECK FOR THE RING! |
| 15:38.28 | Sargun | ok ok.. |
| 15:39.14 | Sargun | i would have once i had gotten close |
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| 15:41.41 | goozbach | Sargun: it's the FIRST thing you should look for |
| 15:41.52 | goozbach | you're gonna get in trouble if you don't |
| 15:41.57 | Sargun | yeah |
| 15:42.00 | goozbach | women with rings should be invisible to you |
| 15:42.30 | goozbach | and when you get a ring yourself all women (minus your wife) should become invisible too. |
| 15:43.00 | Sargun | thats sad |
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| 15:44.15 | Sargun | the latter is sadder. |
| 15:45.45 | goozbach | what? that you should be faithful to your wife? |
| 15:45.54 | elg | what, that your wife isn't invisible? |
| 15:46.06 | Sargun | no, having a wise and commiting |
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| 15:46.29 | goozbach | and that you should be respectful to married women? |
| 15:48.21 | Sargun | yeah, there is that |
| 15:48.31 | Sargun | no, commiting is sad |
| 15:49.38 | Sargun | gooz£ how does it feel to be invisible to all women? |
| 15:51.03 | Sargun | nsidering your the last guy here to get married. |
| 15:51.38 | Sargun | how does it feel not to have women acknowledge you? |
| 15:52.11 | Sargun | well, when you're used to lots of them. |
| 15:52.52 | goozbach | yeah, right... you're used to lots of women ack'ing you... |
| 15:53.23 | goozbach | I was lucky I finished my drink before switching back to this window I would have had to wipe up a spit take. |
| 15:53.31 | goozbach | commitment isn't sad. |
| 15:53.52 | Sargun | well arent -you- more used to SYN |
| 15:54.40 | Sargun | (recving) |
| 15:54.57 | Sargun | rather than SYNing yourself. |
| 15:57.08 | Sargun | or were you a big SYNner |
| 15:58.03 | dmdavis | We are all SYNers in the hands of an angry God |
| 15:58.05 | goozbach | ha ha! |
| 15:58.25 | Sargun | haha |
| 15:59.00 | Sargun | so gooz? |
| 16:00.01 | Sargun | why does the police van have 4 dell xps laptops in it' |
| 16:00.31 | Sargun | and several antennae |
| 16:00.38 | goozbach | cause they's war-driving |
| 16:01.05 | Sargun | yes, the police are war driving |
| 16:01.17 | Sargun | shouldnt they be protecting citizens? |
| 16:02.25 | Sargun | goozbach: no comments about the aearlier? |
| 16:02.59 | goozbach | I've already set up a handshake |
| 16:03.01 | Sargun | brb |
| 16:03.15 | goozbach | so I don't have to worry about any more syn's |
| 16:03.39 | goozbach | are we really equating relationships to the TCP stack? |
| 16:04.41 | jsmith | goozbach: Better than the UDP stack, I take it?!? |
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| 16:07.29 | xbmodder_ | goozbach, I mean, earlier, before you had a full three-way handshake and were exchanging data reliably, you were accept()ing and listen()ing |
| 16:07.29 | tensai | redbeard2: there was something I was going to ask you about. if you can remember what, that'd be great. |
| 16:08.02 | xbmodder_ | You must have received more SYNs, ACKs [Meaning more people hit on you, than you on them] |
| 16:08.14 | xbmodder_ | How does it feel, now, that no one every SYNs you? |
| 16:09.11 | redbeard2 | tensai: you must have been interested in my excellent fruit salad. i think the key that made it great was the freshly grated ginger. |
| 16:09.35 | xbmodder_ | redbeard2, How would ginger and the taste of fresh fruit integrate? |
| 16:09.45 | redbeard2 | xbmodder_: delightfully |
| 16:09.55 | xbmodder_ | That's a surprise |
| 16:09.58 | redbeard2 | helps to let it sit in the fridge for a few hours first tho |
| 16:10.07 | redbeard2 | you know, let the flavors marry |
| 16:10.12 | xbmodder_ | Do you cook professionally anywhere? |
| 16:10.18 | redbeard2 | not at the moment |
| 16:11.36 | xbmodder_ | What do you need in order to cook? |
| 16:12.19 | xbmodder_ | Like, if you needed to cook at a barbecue |
| 16:12.22 | xbmodder_ | or the like. |
| 16:12.31 | xbmodder_ | Could you do it at a picnic barbecue |
| 16:12.44 | xbmodder_ | Or are your techniques so complicated that they require a clean room? |
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| 16:14.00 | redbeard2 | xbmodder_: i've cooked at bbqs before |
| 16:14.04 | redbeard2 | THAD! |
| 16:14.10 | redbeard2 | i'm so glad you're back! |
| 16:14.17 | redbeard2 | even though you're a traitor. |
| 16:14.29 | thaddeusq | redbeard2: traitor? |
| 16:14.42 | redbeard2 | thaddeusq: you left us man. high and dry. |
| 16:15.00 | xbmodder_ | redbeard2, So, would you like to cook for linux-picnix? :-P |
| 16:15.29 | thaddeusq | redbeard2: nah, I left the company in very capable hands of several other gurus. |
| 16:15.56 | xbmodder_ | redbeard2, Tell me when you're coming out to the bay area again. |
| 16:16.08 | redbeard2 | xbmodder_: you're in the bay area? what part? |
| 16:16.20 | xbmodder_ | Uh, right now, San Jose. |
| 16:16.48 | xbmodder_ | In about 10 hours Pleasanton. |
| 16:17.17 | xbmodder_ | San Francisco Bay Area |
| 16:17.29 | xbmodder_ | Why do you ask? |
| 16:18.59 | Jayce^ | cool, Moose (Perl) now supports Maybe[`a] types |
| 16:23.29 | xbmodder_ | Jayce^, Cool! |
| 16:24.20 | xbmodder_ | goozbach, So, with that slightly clearer question, what do you feel? |
| 16:27.06 | goozbach | what do I feel? |
| 16:27.17 | goozbach | I feel pretty damn lucky, that's how I feel |
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| 16:29.49 | Jayce^ | well... do ya? |
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| 16:30.52 | Jayce^ | sorry, watched dirty harry the other night.. |
| 16:30.53 | elg | do I take you to be my lawfully appointed op? |
| 16:32.16 | elg | someone egg me on |
| 16:32.25 | elg | or talk me out of it |
| 16:32.33 | Jayce^ | ? |
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| 16:32.40 | Shadowwire | ~egg elg |
| 16:33.03 | elg | so I think I'll forward my mail to gmail and use gmail imap |
| 16:33.22 | Shadowwire | why? |
| 16:33.30 | elg | such a big change though, I have cold feet |
| 16:33.34 | Jayce^ | I started with that, then just moved to having google do the whole thing |
| 16:33.40 | elg | because I'm a packrat |
| 16:33.54 | Shadowwire | oh. |
| 16:34.36 | elg | gmail would make it easy to search past mail |
| 16:34.39 | xbmodder_ | goozbach, No, how do you feel about never getting hit on by any women |
| 16:34.49 | xbmodder_ | compared to previously where you had many women hit on you? |
| 16:34.52 | elg | faster than other clients |
| 16:34.56 | elg | and I do that from time to time |
| 16:35.19 | elg | right now I have an elaborate setup that compresses old mail, which makes finding the mail that much harder |
| 16:35.29 | elg | if I just store it all on gmail, it's always at the fingertips |
| 16:35.51 | Jayce^ | and of course, it's free :-p |
| 16:36.15 | dmdavis | and you get over the bad threading, the longer you stay away from Mutt |
| 16:36.20 | goozbach | xbmodder_: I feel pretty damn lucky |
| 16:36.23 | Jayce^ | the biggest problem, is from time to time, their imap doesn't let you get your attachments.. there are a few bugs reported on that |
| 16:36.28 | goozbach | I don't have to deal with that anymore |
| 16:36.35 | Jayce^ | you have to log into the web interface to see that |
| 16:36.36 | xbmodder_ | goozbach, You disliked being flirted with? |
| 16:36.38 | goozbach | I've only one person to impress from here on out |
| 16:36.42 | elg | no, i've been not using mutt, primarily, for like 2 years |
| 16:36.58 | elg | and I've been reading flightgear-devel on gmail for at least 6 months |
| 16:37.03 | elg | and the lack of threading still annoys me to tears |
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| 16:37.15 | elg | in fact, that's one of the main reasons I'm revamping my mail setup |
| 16:37.28 | elg | i can't stand reading lists on gmail |
| 16:37.33 | dmdavis | well, setting up mutt to do imap from gmail is easy |
| 16:37.38 | elg | i also can't stand the lack of monospaced font |
| 16:38.03 | elg | true, but the reason I'm not using mutt now is workflow-related |
| 16:38.27 | elg | in ye olde days I had dozens of little xterms |
| 16:38.34 | Shadowwire | Anyone know how I can eliminate CRC alignment errors? |
| 16:38.36 | elg | now I have one big tabbed terminal window |
| 16:38.45 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, in what? |
| 16:38.48 | elg | I like it better, but it makes using a terminal-based email client less effective |
| 16:38.52 | elg | so I mostly use thunderbird |
| 16:39.02 | xbmodder_ | goozbach, You disliked women smiling at you? |
| 16:39.08 | dmdavis | elg: because of having to switch to the mail tab? |
| 16:39.11 | goozbach | no, I didn't dislike that |
| 16:39.21 | elg | dmdavis: yes, and because of accidentally closing the mail tab |
| 16:39.22 | goozbach | but I don't need it to feel validated |
| 16:39.30 | goozbach | it's much better to be truly loved |
| 16:39.46 | xbmodder_ | No, but how does it feel not to have that anymore? |
| 16:39.46 | goozbach | and to love in return |
| 16:39.52 | Shadowwire | In a HP procurve switch communicating to annother Procurve through a point to point wireless. |
| 16:39.54 | goozbach | I don't miss it |
| 16:40.02 | elg | only so many tab names can fit on screen. wasting one for mutt ... |
| 16:40.04 | goozbach | I've found something better |
| 16:40.11 | maquis | xbmodder_: it's not like people don't smile at you anymore because you're married |
| 16:40.16 | dmdavis | elg: don't know if this would work for you, but I found it helpful to keep most of my work in tabs (well, gnu screen) and have a separate term window for things I wanted easier access to |
| 16:40.17 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, Why are you using Point-to-Point wireless between the procurve |
| 16:40.22 | xbmodder_ | maquis, Or flirt with you? |
| 16:40.30 | elg | dmdavis: it would work, on a dual-monitor setup |
| 16:40.34 | xbmodder_ | maquis, or anything on the plane of 'things' |
| 16:40.35 | maquis | they still are nice and friendly, it's just that they're friendly without trying to hit on you |
| 16:40.36 | elg | but on a laptop screen, not so much |
| 16:40.43 | dmdavis | elg: ah, you use a big terminal? |
| 16:40.46 | maquis | which, imho, is better |
| 16:40.54 | elg | yeah |
| 16:40.59 | goozbach | xbmodder_: hopefully some day you'll see past friday night |
| 16:41.01 | xbmodder_ | heh. |
| 16:41.02 | elg | ~hit maquis |
| 16:41.02 | ibot | ACTION punches maquis. |
| 16:41.09 | maquis | what was that for? |
| 16:41.15 | elg | looks like ibot doesn't know you're married |
| 16:41.17 | goozbach | and understand there's more than "ohh she's oogleing me" |
| 16:41.24 | xbmodder_ | heh. |
| 16:41.28 | Shadowwire | xbmodder: because we have a branch 6 blocks away and I ran out of wire. :) |
| 16:41.28 | xbmodder_ | goozbach, Heh... |
| 16:41.41 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, Uh, buy a point-to-point fiber line? |
| 16:41.49 | Shadowwire | nice. |
| 16:41.50 | elg | xbmodder_: notice the wording "more than" |
| 16:41.58 | elg | your wife will still ogle you |
| 16:42.01 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, or ADSL2 |
| 16:42.05 | xbmodder_ | or HSDSL |
| 16:42.10 | elg | unless perhaps you turn into a blob and stop showering |
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| 16:42.17 | xbmodder_ | Heh. |
| 16:42.28 | xbmodder_ | ~onjoin -dataw0lf |
| 16:42.28 | ibot | ok, xbmodder_ |
| 16:42.44 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, What Telco serves you? |
| 16:42.46 | dmdavis | sometimes I still catch my wife staring at me over the dinner table, and we've been married 7 years |
| 16:42.49 | Shadowwire | So, in other words, No? |
| 16:42.54 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, What bandwidth do you need? |
| 16:43.03 | dmdavis | but, I am rather dashing |
| 16:43.07 | elg | dmdavis: and then you clean the broccoli out of your teeth |
| 16:43.08 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, Syncronous |
| 16:43.10 | xbmodder_ | dmdavis, haha |
| 16:43.12 | dmdavis | :) |
| 16:43.48 | dmdavis | food fight! |
| 16:43.50 | tensai | hey! |
| 16:44.08 | xbmodder_ | goozbach, I'm pretty sure what I'm doing everyday for the next month, and none of it consists of being ogled by a women |
| 16:44.16 | elg | what the hey. I'm going for it |
| 16:44.28 | elg | I can always undo it. a little extra bandwidth |
| 16:44.42 | dmdavis | elg: doing the imap thing? |
| 16:45.57 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, Those errors mean your wireless link is not "reliable" |
| 16:46.14 | Shadowwire | we have a Mccleod T1 and a qwest DSL. Our branch runs VOIP, 4 live cameras and 7 computers across a non-line of sight 10 mbps wireless. |
| 16:46.43 | elg | ya |
| 16:46.57 | Shadowwire | thanks. |
| 16:47.20 | dmdavis | you going to keep using Thunderbird? |
| 16:47.31 | Shadowwire | it runs fairly well. all but the VOIP. |
| 16:47.42 | elg | dmdavis: yeah I think so |
| 16:47.49 | elg | I'm going to try out sup too |
| 16:47.50 | dataw0lf | xbmodder_: Huh? |
| 16:48.06 | elg | although that has the same problem mutt does, I'm intrigued to try it anyway |
| 16:48.12 | xbmodder_ | dataw0lf, what? |
| 16:48.29 | dmdavis | OK, was just going to ask about that :) |
| 16:48.32 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, Uh, that might be difficult. |
| 16:48.48 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, Uh, 10 pairs of SDSL will do you |
| 16:48.48 | dataw0lf | xbmodder_: you changed your onjoin to '-dataw0lf' ? |
| 16:48.53 | xbmodder_ | dataw0lf, no |
| 16:48.58 | xbmodder_ | I turned off your onjoin |
| 16:49.00 | xbmodder_ | cycle |
| 16:49.14 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, Uh, a pair runs about $40 a month |
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| 16:49.19 | ibot | gives fozzmoo a stern handshake and a pat on the back. and then kisses him. |
| 16:49.36 | xbmodder_ | Well, you really only need like 7 pairs |
| 16:49.45 | Shadowwire | right now ir runs for free. But I get these annoying crc alignment errors. |
| 16:49.56 | xbmodder_ | and then a switch that does bonding |
| 16:50.11 | xbmodder_ | Shadowwire, yeah, wireless can't be that reliable |
| 16:50.18 | xbmodder_ | I believe there is a way to supress them |
| 16:51.17 | elg | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action> refrains from ogling fozzmoo because he's married. |
| 16:51.17 | ibot | elg: ok |
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| 16:58.24 | tensai | Shadowwire: do you have qos enabled to give priority to voip? |
| 16:58.58 | xbmodder_ | tensai, I think that's done at the VoIP switch level |
| 16:59.09 | xbmodder_ | they tag the IP layer packets with a higher QOS |
| 16:59.13 | xbmodder_ | er |
| 16:59.16 | xbmodder_ | ToS |
| 17:01.13 | Shadowwire | Yes |
| 17:02.20 | Shadowwire | QOS is set to give priority to packets tagged for a specific IP (to phone server) |
| 17:03.59 | tensai | Shadowwire: what kind of wireless is it? |
| 17:04.09 | dataw0lf | ~onjoin Django > PHP |
| 17:04.09 | ibot | ok, dataw0lf |
| 17:05.02 | elg | now we just have to wait for django to show up |
| 17:07.55 | Shadowwire | tensai: Im not sure. Its supposed to be 1.5meg connection. |
| 17:11.34 | Shadowwire | I used to work quite well when we first installed it. Mabey its misalighned. time to go climbing. |
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| 17:14.59 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2008-01-22T163011Z_01_N22417175_RTRUKOC_0_US-SCOTLAND-HAGGIS-US.xml |
| 17:15.07 | Jayce^ | elg, good for you :) |
| 17:15.14 | Jayce^ | fix the mail first.. then it's easier |
| 17:16.50 | elg | my biggest beef with plug as of late was that I was too lazy and/or "responsible" to just bitbucket the hundreds of mailman messages I get every day |
| 17:17.05 | elg | so I had to manually delete them (i only skim the subjects) |
| 17:17.11 | Jayce^ | yeah, just /dev/null 'em |
| 17:17.19 | elg | now I set it up to bitbucket them. I hope mailman never has anything important to say |
| 17:19.30 | tensai | elg: hundreds of mailman messages? what are you doing wrong? |
| 17:19.48 | Jayce^ | tensai, spammers trying to hit plug usually |
| 17:19.49 | elg | nothing. they're stupid spam notices |
| 17:20.12 | elg | i've scoured the configs. I can tell mailman to drop them (and it does), but it still feels it's necessary to send me a notice |
| 17:20.18 | Jayce^ | I remember running it, and the darn interface to delete the queue/review/etc in mailman didn't paginate.. |
| 17:20.25 | tensai | oh, well that's because you're the list admin |
| 17:20.25 | Jayce^ | would kill apache trying to look at the page |
| 17:20.36 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 17:20.42 | elg | yeah, it's a disaster |
| 17:20.48 | elg | mailman is a nasty hack |
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| 17:23.31 | dmdavis | ~seen elg |
| 17:23.33 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@dhcp12.cs.nmsu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2m 45s ago, saying: 'mailman is a nasty hack'. |
| 17:23.48 | dmdavis | I'll miss that guy |
| 17:29.33 | Jayce^ | ~hug nzb |
| 17:29.33 | ibot | ACTION hugs nzb tightly until nzb turns slightly blue |
| 17:29.54 | goozbach | ~wtf nzb |
| 17:30.12 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you're kidding.... |
| 17:30.32 | Jayce^ | ~nzb |
| 17:30.35 | maquis | ~whatis nzb |
| 17:30.46 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZB |
| 17:30.48 | goozbach | ? |
| 17:31.02 | Lakshmi | hey everyone |
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| 17:31.25 | maquis | Lakshmi: hello |
| 17:31.29 | tensai | Naked Zebra Barbecue? |
| 17:31.31 | Jayce^ | yes goozbach |
| 17:31.39 | Lakshmi | maquis sup? |
| 17:33.20 | ajorg | some fedora user wanna tell me what the fedora way to add repositories is? |
| 17:33.33 | ajorg | specifically this one: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Mono/Fedora_8/ |
| 17:34.07 | ajorg | I'm not using fedora but I'd like to be able to tell fedora users how to get the latest Mono builds... |
| 17:34.32 | fozzmoo | ajorg: You create a .repo file in /etc/yum.repos.d/ |
| 17:34.45 | mrpull | ajorg: I'm not a fedora user, but I believe you need to add that mono.repo file in your /etc/yum.repos.d/ directory |
| 17:35.09 | ajorg | fozzmoo: can you look at this repo file and tell me if it's correct? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Mono/Fedora_8/Mono.repo |
| 17:35.22 | elg | ajorg: apt-get install debian |
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| 17:35.40 | fozzmoo | Looks good to me. |
| 17:35.46 | ajorg | excellent. thanks! |
| 17:35.56 | ajorg | elg: preaching to the choir |
| 17:36.36 | goozbach | Lakshmi: hey back at you |
| 17:36.46 | Lakshmi | goozbach sup sup? |
| 17:37.55 | goozbach | workin |
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| 17:39.50 | Lakshmi | goozbach workin on? |
| 17:43.21 | goozbach | work stuff |
| 17:43.33 | Lakshmi | descriptive |
| 17:43.43 | goozbach | trying to develop an entire new infrastructure for our web server farm |
| 17:43.52 | Lakshmi | sounds fun |
| 17:44.00 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.02 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:46.55 | Lakshmi | ooh nice |
| 17:47.43 | Jayce^ | goozbach, glad to see your eyes opened.. |
| 17:47.49 | Jayce^ | doing this with MP1 or 2 ? |
| 17:51.18 | goozbach | http://twitter.com/goozbach/statuses/633131542 |
| 17:51.44 | goozbach | hopefully we'll be able to port our GIANT codebase to Mod_Perl2 someday |
| 17:52.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, the mp2 system allows a *lot* more cool stuff when doing your config |
| 17:52.47 | goozbach | the little trick our lead dev showed me let me replace ~80 vhost config files with a simple for loop in one file. |
| 17:53.03 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:53.57 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvRzWYCZ2e0&feature=related |
| 17:54.50 | goozbach | it's too bad I don't want mod_perl installed on the front-line servers |
| 17:54.59 | goozbach | even for the config options |
| 17:55.11 | goozbach | I don't want them to be doing ANY thinking. |
| 17:55.32 | goozbach | just "serve this", "cache that", etc... |
| 17:56.10 | goozbach | FYI my last "tweet" was exactly 140chars |
| 17:56.12 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:09.03 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/7204543.stm |
| 18:09.09 | ^Migs^ | A goth who leads his girlfriend around with a dog lead and collar was stopped from getting on a bus amid fears for passenger safety, a bus firm confirmed. |
| 18:09.40 | goozbach | "we don't allow dogs on board" |
| 18:10.05 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.17 | tensai | who has an opinion on Source Safe? |
| 18:43.39 | elg | is that a RCS? |
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| 18:46.40 | pelaofeliz | as in MS Source Safe? |
| 18:46.56 | pelaofeliz | I've never used it, but have heard horror stories from those who did... |
| 18:47.26 | elg | ditto |
| 18:49.16 | ^Migs^ | look at the third video down: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ Head tracking with the Wii remote |
| 18:50.04 | RedHeron | http://www.freepress.net/news/29744 |
| 18:50.08 | RedHeron | Auction begins tomorrow. |
| 18:51.24 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to bid $10 |
| 18:51.30 | ^Migs^ | just to hock up the price |
| 18:51.51 | RedHeron | Heh. |
| 18:51.59 | RedHeron | $10 might be a bit high. |
| 18:52.12 | ^Migs^ | think I should go $5? |
| 19:03.08 | dmdavis | tensai: Here at work, we used to use source safe. Switching to subversion made me look back on my time with source safe with fear and loathing. I think source safe is wretched |
| 19:07.22 | tensai | dmdavis: that seems to be the consensus. all the top google search results for sourcesafe are negative. |
| 19:07.52 | tensai | my ceo just sent out an email saying that somebody said we should use it. I didn't care much for that plan. |
| 19:09.20 | RedHeron | ^Migs^: I'm thinking $1 might be high. |
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| 19:33.35 | pashdown | http://le.utah.gov/~2008/bills/hbillint/hb0139.htm |
| 19:33.46 | goozbach | redbeard2: you might be interested in this talke |
| 19:33.48 | goozbach | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/209 |
| 19:35.38 | goozbach | pashdown: you can't sell a wireless access without limiting access to minors? |
| 19:35.49 | goozbach | is that how that's supposed be red |
| 19:36.25 | pashdown | or anyone maintaining a public wireless network |
| 19:36.37 | pashdown | or selling a wireless access point |
| 19:37.20 | pashdown | so as i read it, ap's need to be labelled as potentially harmful for minors |
| 19:37.33 | goozbach | interesting |
| 19:37.56 | goozbach | so does this mean your cell phones need to be lablled as harmful for minors? |
| 19:38.24 | pashdown | (5) "Wireless Internet access" means wireless access allowing the user to receive Internet communication. |
| 19:43.37 | sjansen | tensai: If your CEO is opposed to saving money by using svn, perhaps you could counter offer with SourceGear Vault. http://vaultthemovie.com/ |
| 19:44.27 | tensai | sjansen: it's not even for source control. he wants document management. he's completely off in left field on this. |
| 19:45.20 | sjansen | Ah. Well. Of course you've heard of Alfresco. |
| 19:45.51 | goozbach | tensai: he want's alfresco |
| 19:46.03 | tensai | funny, that was the one I recommended :) |
| 19:49.01 | jsmith | tensai: I've also heard really good things about KnowledgeTree and Plone (even though Plone is more of a CMS than a DMS) |
| 19:54.40 | RedHeron | goozbach, pashdown: That law's been being discussed since October, and nobody was really interested when I tried to say something about it on the grounds that I'm the admin for the Pirate Party of Utah and I sit on the nationa party's board. |
| 19:54.48 | RedHeron | national* |
| 19:55.13 | RedHeron | They ignored everything I had to say about it on the grounds of whom it was coming from. |
| 19:55.14 | pashdown | we've been tracking cp80 due to our love of other ralph yarrow projects |
| 19:55.45 | pashdown | i'm sure this law ascended from the same nether regions |
| 19:56.04 | RedHeron | Yes, though from an unexpected approach vector. |
| 19:56.13 | pashdown | no, daw has carried water for them before |
| 19:56.28 | RedHeron | It's essentially anti-net-neutrality codified into law. |
| 19:56.53 | RedHeron | You *have* to shape and prioritize, so you can monitor. |
| 19:57.18 | RedHeron | They claim it's not intended to damn anyone who doesn't monitor, but the law implies that the monitoring has to happen. |
| 20:00.16 | thaddeusq | http://www.bradday.com claims that he believes in limited government |
| 20:00.24 | thaddeusq | s/day/daw/ |
| 20:00.34 | pashdown | a limited government that nannies your children |
| 20:00.58 | thaddeusq | he's also a "technology expert" |
| 20:02.50 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.05 | dataw0lf | meh. neocons do like to laughably claim that they are proponents of smaller government. |
| 20:06.04 | thaddeusq | dataw0lf: apparently they have a different definition of "limited government" than I do. |
| 20:06.50 | dataw0lf | well they like to pick and choose |
| 20:08.33 | Jayce^ | well, people tend to call me a neocon, and I'm for limited government :) |
| 20:08.35 | tensai | that seems to be true of most politicians |
| 20:08.43 | Jayce^ | tensai, agreed |
| 20:09.09 | thaddeusq | tensai: I'd argue that seems to be true of most Americans |
| 20:09.32 | tensai | thaddeusq: you might not be far off with that |
| 20:10.07 | thaddeusq | How many of us balk at our cities using tax money to fund recreation centers, but, have no problem with our cities using tax money to fund UTOPIA? |
| 20:10.37 | Heartsbane | The bill was garbage when it was first talked about in May on Radio West |
| 20:10.46 | thaddeusq | I do it myself. |
| 20:11.03 | tensai | just because it's garbage doesn't mean it couldn't pass |
| 20:11.13 | atoponce | sjansen: "the Linus kernel" eh? :) |
| 20:11.35 | thaddeusq | Heartsbane: This bill dealing with wireless access was talked about on Radio West? Do you have a link? |
| 20:11.45 | Heartsbane | http://p42.org/heartsbane/local-kuer-582842.mp3 |
| 20:11.51 | Heartsbane | thaddeusq: done and done |
| 20:12.13 | sjansen | atoponce: Yes. As in the official kernel as release by Linus not someone else. |
| 20:12.47 | atoponce | sjansen: doesn't everyone get the kernel from him, or are there forks? |
| 20:12.54 | sjansen | That's not a typo. If I were going to typo it'd be calling him Linux Torvalds. |
| 20:13.03 | sjansen | Everyone forks from him. |
| 20:13.18 | atoponce | but everyone keeps branching from him too |
| 20:13.20 | sjansen | RH adds patches. Novell adds patches. Fedora adds patches. Ubuntu adds patches. |
| 20:13.33 | atoponce | sure. but they still drink from the same source |
| 20:14.00 | sjansen | So in the context of my email I mean, RH would have had to back port for the linus tree since state and REJECT weren't added until later versions. |
| 20:14.52 | atoponce | well, i didn't necessarily mean a typo, as much as i found humor in the response. after all, it is his kernel |
| 20:18.14 | sjansen | Referring to the Linus kernel is a common thing to do. It makes it clean that you're talking about the official tree instead of -am and others. |
| 20:19.28 | atoponce | ok. i guess i've heard it referred to more as 'the vanilla kernel', which i assume would mean the same |
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| 20:31.30 | atoponce | http://tinyurl.com/3d2c7e |
| 20:34.42 | RedHeron | atoponce: That rocks. |
| 20:37.28 | undertakingyou | atoponce: that is priceless. |
| 20:37.43 | atoponce | here's an update with vista: http://tinyurl.com/2r2xnz |
| 20:42.34 | RedHeron | LOL |
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| 21:10.59 | sjansen | PERL ROCKS MY SOCKS OFF! |
| 21:11.52 | goozbach | perl rocks your socks off? |
| 21:11.59 | goozbach | that explains the smell |
| 21:21.31 | findlay | ~perl sjansen |
| 21:21.32 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 21:21.39 | findlay | ~migs sjansen |
| 21:21.40 | ibot | ACTION forces sjansen to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
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| 21:52.04 | herlo | sjansen: its not karaoke night at GL |
| 22:09.13 | mrpull | anybody still use last.fm? |
| 22:09.28 | jsmith | mrpull: I do |
| 22:09.45 | mrpull | the new announcement of full songs and albums is cool. |
| 22:10.03 | jsmith | Yeah... if only I could get to it from the desktop client instead of just the website |
| 22:10.23 | mrpull | I haven't experimented yet... |
| 22:10.32 | mrpull | ahhh |
| 22:10.46 | mrpull | there is a WM client, but I haven't had good luck with it. |
| 22:11.05 | mrpull | is there a #utah/plug group on last.fm? |
| 22:11.19 | mrpull | I'm not crazy about social apps, but it works for music for me |
| 22:12.02 | jsmith | mrpull: You should start one! |
| 22:13.08 | mrpull | looks like Utah PHP Users Group has one |
| 22:14.47 | mrpull | ok. the #utah group on last.fm is officially started. |
| 22:14.53 | mrpull | and only has one member |
| 22:15.08 | mrpull | ready, set, join! |
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| 22:38.12 | jsmith | mrpull: Hmmmn... I'm not finding it |
| 22:38.15 | jsmith | mrpull: Link? |
| 22:39.09 | mrpull | http://www.last.fm/group/%2523utah |
| 22:39.16 | mrpull | maybe the # is breaking the search |
| 22:41.18 | jsmith | Probably |
| 22:41.39 | mrpull | I was actually surprised that it permitted me to use # in the name |
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| 22:49.56 | atoponce | here's a scripting question for the talented: |
| 22:50.41 | atoponce | i want to append 2 cron jobs to the crontab. what would be the best way to accomplish this? cat << EOF | crontab -u user - ... ? |
| 22:50.51 | atoponce | or is there a better way? |
| 22:51.38 | goozbach | atoponce: per/user? or system-wide? |
| 22:51.48 | atoponce | per-user |
| 22:52.19 | goozbach | why not echo "crontab formatted line" >> /var/spool/cron/<user> |
| 22:52.21 | atoponce | i guess, the problem i'm running into is the indentation for it in the script. i have to left align it, which throws off the readability of the script |
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| 22:52.40 | atoponce | i have 2 lines. i guess that works too |
| 22:53.14 | atoponce | i could just <enter> between lines in the echo |
| 22:55.10 | goozbach | echo -e "line one\nlinetwo" >> |
| 22:55.24 | goozbach | or echo "line one" >> foo |
| 22:55.39 | goozbach | and another line echo "line two" >> foo |
| 22:55.41 | atoponce | right. |
| 22:55.44 | mrpull | I guess we need to recruit 6 more last.fm #utah users |
| 22:55.48 | goozbach | do it in two steps |
| 22:55.52 | atoponce | that's probably the best |
| 22:56.19 | atoponce | i was hoping for one clean step. i didn't like echo -e with the \n in the middle, so i went with cat << EOF, but that seemed worse |
| 22:59.21 | atoponce | didn't think that the file existed in /var/spool/cron/user, to be honest, although i knew that's where it was stored |
| 22:59.23 | mrpull | I forgot to eat lunch |
| 22:59.27 | mrpull | how did that happen? |
| 22:59.31 | atoponce | hindsight is always 20/20, right? |
| 22:59.37 | atoponce | mrpull: you were sleeping? |
| 22:59.55 | mrpull | I guess I got caught up in something! |
| 23:00.12 | mrpull | silly east coasters scheduling con-calls during breakfast and lunch |
| 23:09.07 | *** topic/#utah by mrpull -> current topic is: Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | levi is a freedom flusher | Join the #utah last.fm group: http://www.last.fm/group/%2523utah |
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| 23:18.03 | mrpull | face palms == the coolest verb I've never heard till today |
| 23:20.28 | rsimpkins | face palm? Is that some kinda tropical tree or something? |
| 23:21.49 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Which post are you referng to? |
| 23:22.16 | levi | Heh. Beware the wrath of smorrey. |
| 23:23.19 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: the one where he barely constructs an intelligible argument against HB 139, then proceeds to make phantom asinine threats about the viability of the message and how it will endlessly propagate on the internet |
| 23:24.16 | dmdavis | I do like the line "You sir are a fraud" |
| 23:24.51 | mrpull | careful dataw0lf... you being a technology expert should help you understand that he can make your statement a permanent part of the internet |
| 23:24.51 | dataw0lf | yea, I kinda imagined smorrey donning a powdered wig when he wrote that. |
| 23:25.23 | mrpull | ~fraud dmdavis |
| 23:25.48 | mrpull | I got a chuckle out of the fraud line too |
| 23:26.00 | dataw0lf | mrpull: I think as long as I 1) don't mock Perl, or 2) don't evangelize Java, I'll be pretty safe on PLUG and it's super duper internet message propagation protocol ;-P |
| 23:26.13 | tensai | dataw0lf: but he's trying! maybe he'll get it right someday. |
| 23:26.22 | elg | wait, I thought that was printing... |
| 23:26.40 | elg | ~lart ubuntu |
| 23:26.40 | ibot | puts ubuntu through a wood chipper |
| 23:26.40 | dmdavis | dataw0lf: Noone is safe on the PLUG |
| 23:26.47 | elg | what did it do to break my nvidia drivers? |
| 23:26.54 | elg | probably updated some x.org lib |
| 23:27.03 | tensai | elg: did it reconfigure xorg.conf? |
| 23:27.12 | elg | no, it still *works* |
| 23:27.19 | elg | until I try to run something that uses the 3d rendering |
| 23:27.21 | elg | then it crashes x |
| 23:27.28 | tensai | mine had an annoying habit of doing that so I chattr +i it |
| 23:27.32 | levi | I'm tempted to send an email to the guy ensuring him that smorrey does not represent the PLUG (or SLLUG) as a whole, and though we probably all dislike the bill, we're not all incapable of forming a coherent argument without resorting to name-calling. |
| 23:28.01 | elg | chattr +i eh? |
| 23:28.18 | tensai | elg: what does glxinfo report? |
| 23:28.31 | tensai | have you tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers? |
| 23:28.51 | elg | glxinfo reports *crash* |
| 23:28.56 | elg | i'm going to try that now |
| 23:29.00 | tensai | elg: also, try calling it a fraud. that'll help. |
| 23:29.11 | elg | but nvidia's site gives me a mysterious blank page at the crucial moment |
| 23:29.21 | elg | i do have the not-quite-latest binary though, I guess I'll run that |
| 23:30.20 | tensai | elg: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.09/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.09-pkg1.run |
| 23:30.28 | elg | i need the legacy |
| 23:30.34 | elg | 96 series |
| 23:31.06 | tensai | legacy, huh. is this for your victrola talking machine? |
| 23:31.26 | tensai | same blank page here |
| 23:32.02 | elg | x-server-xorg-core looks like the one. overwrote /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 23:32.17 | elg | no, it's just my regular desktop |
| 23:32.26 | tensai | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run |
| 23:32.28 | elg | it's not *that* legacy of a card :) new in 2004 |
| 23:32.36 | elg | i have .01. that site says .04 |
| 23:33.06 | tensai | well it ain't on the ftp server |
| 23:33.15 | elg | :) |
| 23:33.19 | elg | thanks anywho |
| 23:33.47 | tensai | you probably should chattr +i all the files on your hard drive. just to be safe |
| 23:33.59 | elg | brilliant |
| 23:34.06 | tensai | find / -type f |xargs chattr +i |
| 23:34.21 | elg | i'll start by redirecting all my syslog error to your email address |
| 23:34.34 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:35.51 | tensai | that's fine. I already read all of your email. |
| 23:36.06 | elg | you know about my enhancements then |
| 23:36.34 | tensai | yup. I thought all those male enhancement drugs were bogus. go figure. |
| 23:36.47 | dataw0lf | dang tensai got it before me |
| 23:36.52 | elg | do you knwo anyone more male than I? |
| 23:37.34 | elg | see how intimidating I am? i rest my case |
| 23:38.35 | rsimpkins | elg: Did you get the e-mail I sent regarding mailing lists? |
| 23:39.59 | levi | Haha, 'cornucopiaofdumb.com' |
| 23:43.29 | tensai | rsimpkins: you too want him to change the reply-to? |
| 23:45.08 | rsimpkins | tensai: I think that's up to the group to debate. |
| 23:45.32 | tensai | we've had that debate one too many times I think |
| 23:45.37 | rsimpkins | tensai: We seem to be in a flamefesty mood on the list - maybe now is the time to bring it up? :) |
| 23:46.10 | mrpull | I got a securid token from a "super-secure-international-company" today |
| 23:46.24 | mrpull | the PIN they assigned me was 1234 |
| 23:46.24 | dataw0lf | uh oh, not the dreaded monthly Reply-To thread |
| 23:46.48 | rsimpkins | I guess the argument hasn't been convincing enough if there has been no change. |
| 23:46.54 | tensai | mrpull: hey, that's the combo on my luggage! |
| 23:47.04 | mrpull | that's what I told them! |
| 23:48.08 | tensai | dataw0lf: lol |
| 23:49.02 | dataw0lf | man I'm pretty sure I've finally permanently lost my private PG key |
| 23:49.08 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 23:49.19 | dataw0lf | of course I think that every time I lose it |
| 23:49.22 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: I did that too. Sucks huh? I have really important docs I can't use now. :) |
| 23:49.55 | dataw0lf | tell me about it |
| 23:50.01 | tensai | I did an informal analysis of an ATM keypad once. the most worn numbers were 1-4. I would take that to mean pins tend to cluster near the low end of the number scale. |
| 23:50.39 | rsimpkins | A pin isn't useful without the card, is it? |
| 23:51.25 | rsimpkins | I've heard of some tricky criminals that put a card reader on the outside of an ATM machine that looked like it was part of the machine. It would read the card before going in to the ATM. The ATM would work, no one was the wiser. |
| 23:51.41 | rsimpkins | The then got a spotting scope and I guess watched people type in their pins. |
| 23:51.58 | tensai | rsimpkins: they also sometimes mount a tiny camera near the atm |
| 23:52.31 | tensai | I honestly check the atm for said card readers every time I use one. it's a rare risk I'm sure, but it only takes 2 seconds. |
| 23:52.36 | rsimpkins | That's pretty advanced for your typical criminal hack. Makes me think that is a very lucrative crime. |
| 23:53.04 | mrpull | I've also read about those scanners being in gas pumps too |
| 23:55.46 | mrpull | I don't recall where else... maybe it was the newspaper that people were looking closely at wear/grease/whatever on garage door number pads |
| 23:56.02 | mrpull | with grease on only 4 numbers, it makes it a snap to brute force the combo |
| 23:57.28 | dmdavis | you should put greasy fingers on 4 numbers _not_ in your code |