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| 00:26.06 | elg | silly beandog |
| 00:30.03 | elg | ~onjoin beandog mkvmerge --title beandog --chapters chapters.txt -o beandog.mkv -A beandog.avi beandog.ogg |
| 00:30.03 | ibot | ok, elg |
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| 00:31.19 | ibot | ok, elg |
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| 00:51.20 | Sargun | bye! |
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| 01:09.24 | sargun_n811 | Hey |
| 01:09.33 | sargun_n811 | The weather is nice. |
| 01:11.48 | Tene | n811? |
| 01:12.57 | sargun_n811 | Haha |
| 01:13.04 | sargun_n811 | Pidgin changes it |
| 01:13.38 | sargun_n811 | Apparently 13k emails piss off the email app.... |
| 01:14.07 | sargun_n811 | Maybe they are using 2 byte signed numbers.... |
| 01:14.19 | sargun_n811 | What is that |
| 01:14.21 | sargun_n811 | Int |
| 01:15.10 | sargun_n811 | Damn the weather is nice... |
| 01:15.24 | sargun_n811 | I wish i had something to do outside.. |
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| 01:16.55 | sargun_n811 | Now i have to enjoy myself by racing other commuters to the train statiom |
| 01:17.31 | sargun_n811 | Ah, life is great... |
| 01:18.11 | nick125 | sargun_n811: do you have a jabber user ID? |
| 01:18.12 | sargun_n811 | OWNED |
| 01:18.42 | sargun_n811 | Nick no |
| 01:18.50 | nick125 | sargun_n811: get one |
| 01:19.00 | sargun_n811 | Well my gmail |
| 01:20.05 | sargun_n811 | Iwon+ |
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| 01:21.17 | sargun_n811 | Hi LA |
| 01:22.07 | nick125 | sargun_n811: You should use Jabber. |
| 01:22.29 | sargun_n811 | Why |
| 01:22.41 | sargun_n811 | No one else uses it--- |
| 01:22.43 | nick125 | Because it's awesome. |
| 01:22.50 | nick125 | We can fix that. |
| 01:22.54 | sargun_n811 | No one that matters |
| 01:23.09 | nick125 | I'm using jabber now. |
| 01:23.30 | sargun_n811 | WTF.. |
| 01:23.44 | sargun_n811 | They rearranged the train |
| 01:23.48 | nick125 | ahahah |
| 01:25.36 | sargun_n811 | Now i have to sit next to the not very attractive 40 something year old women who is trying to figure out how to use a blackberry.... |
| 01:25.42 | nick125 | LOL |
| 01:26.03 | sargun_n811 | Like seriously she is poking it |
| 01:26.17 | sargun_n811 | Trying to get it to work |
| 01:26.32 | sargun_n811 | She is canadian i think. |
| 01:26.37 | sargun_n811 | Makes sense. |
| 01:34.19 | Tene | What's the English idiom that means that something was a cause of the overall quality of the day being significantly better than it would have been otherwise? |
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| 01:35.03 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 01:35.10 | Sargun | I'm hungry :-( |
| 01:35.26 | Sargun | hm. |
| 01:35.28 | Sargun | what are you upto? |
| 01:35.38 | Sargun | I don't wanna write a XMPP server |
| 01:35.58 | Tene | I don't want to use any xmpp server you would write. |
| 01:35.58 | nick125 | Sargun: Get a Jabber account somewhere. Heck, if you want to, use my Jabber server :p |
| 01:36.03 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 01:42.20 | nick125 | Sargun: How about you write a Palm Jabber client? |
| 01:47.24 | Sargun | no.... |
| 01:48.25 | nick125 | Palm development is fun! |
| 01:51.47 | Sargun | uh. |
| 01:51.49 | Sargun | I read the code. |
| 01:51.50 | Sargun | its :-( |
| 01:53.16 | nick125 | Okay then, port Python 2.5 and some GUI toolkit to Palm, and I'll write a Jabber client for Palm OS :P |
| 01:53.39 | nick125 | :) |
| 01:55.57 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 01:55.57 | ibot | pong |
| 01:56.29 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 01:56.30 | ibot | pong |
| 01:56.45 | nick125 | Maybe you could find the Pippy source code to give you a heads start. |
| 01:58.01 | Sargun | oh, I read that |
| 01:58.01 | Sargun | its.. interesting. |
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| 02:09.44 | findlay | nick125: not some, you mean wxWidgets |
| 02:10.20 | Tene | hi findlay |
| 02:10.24 | xbmodder_ | hi teabeer |
| 02:10.25 | xbmodder_ | hi Tene |
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| 02:25.17 | Sargun | nick |
| 02:25.23 | Sargun | A cingular user called me... |
| 02:25.24 | Sargun | 08 |
| 02:25.24 | Sargun | 925-303-6 Antioch CA 6010 BLUE LICENSES HOLDING, LLC 722 2006-10-07 |
| 02:25.31 | Sargun | 925-303-655X |
| 02:25.46 | Sargun | and then they hung up |
| 02:25.47 | nick125 | Sargun: Either that, or someone who ported from a Cing. #. |
| 02:25.47 | Sargun | I wonder why |
| 02:25.52 | Sargun | yeah. |
| 02:26.09 | nick125 | There used to be a Sprint/Nextel site where it would tell you what carrier a number belonged to. |
| 02:26.44 | Sargun | time warner? |
| 02:26.47 | Sargun | I remember |
| 02:27.58 | Sargun | I wonder if they were trying to hack my vm |
| 02:28.07 | Sargun | or the like. |
| 02:28.29 | Sargun | I'll call them using a fake number when I get home. |
| 02:28.33 | Sargun | they're more likely to pick up. |
| 02:28.40 | Sargun | I'll use one that's disconnected. |
| 02:40.19 | levi | My brain hurts. |
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| 03:31.11 | elg | levi: because of haskell? |
| 04:19.21 | levi | elg: Yes. |
| 04:56.38 | findlay | just went to Fredrica von Stade |
| 04:56.52 | findlay | she sang well |
| 05:01.07 | findlay | levi: suppose you have a finite, fixed number of positve integers that are unique and contiguous. Could you make a formal statement about which algorithm will sort them in the least number of overall steps? |
| 05:05.35 | findlay | obviously |
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| 05:24.11 | elg | no, whether you can sort it is not in question |
| 05:25.08 | findlay | well, what I meant was, it's a question of how many steps to compute |
| 05:27.55 | findlay | great. Now I'm browsing wikipedia when I should be doing my homework instead of blathering on IRC when I should be doing it |
| 05:34.49 | levi | findlay: If they're unique and contiguous, are they not already sorted? |
| 05:37.44 | findlay | levi: no, by contiguous I meant that the set contains all integers from the lower bound to the upper, and by unique, only one of each of them |
| 05:38.14 | findlay | hoping that that may narrow the problem to a solvable one |
| 05:39.20 | levi | findlay: The trouble with your question is that a set has no order. If, as I assume, you mean a randomly-ordered list, then the number of steps to sort it will vary with the order of the list. |
| 05:39.46 | findlay | hm |
| 05:40.16 | levi | Varying both the starting order and the size of the list will change the relative performance of sorting algorithms. |
| 05:41.33 | findlay | vary them in such ways as to not be able to predict based on those two parameters which algorithm will produced an ordered set in the fewest steps? |
| 05:42.16 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.40 | levi | Well, if you define a fixed size and ordering of your list to be sorted, it's simple to determine which produces the solution in the fewest steps. You just run the sorting algorithms and count. |
| 05:43.22 | levi | But that's a not-very-useful result, because that's not how sorting algorithms are actually used. |
| 05:44.05 | findlay | how are they used? |
| 05:44.06 | levi | (actually, some sorting algorithms have a random factor in them, so that technique wouldn't work for them unless you also fixed the random seed) |
| 05:44.25 | findlay | I think I'm beginning to understand |
| 05:44.48 | Supaplex | ~lart slivers |
| 05:44.48 | ibot | pours hot grits down the front of slivers's pants |
| 05:45.00 | levi | findlay: They're used to sort arbitrarily-sized lists (usually within some range) of arbitrary order (though there may be tendencies in the ordering that might guide your selection of algorithm) |
| 05:46.20 | findlay | so you pick an algorithm based on the size of the set and the initial randomness? How do you measure the latter? |
| 05:46.42 | Supaplex | sounds haphazard to me |
| 05:46.48 | levi | findlay: Nobody selects a sorting algorithm by proof. If there's any analysis done, it would be statistical. |
| 05:47.02 | findlay | interesting |
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| 05:47.47 | levi | I would think that would be obvious. Generate some plausible test data and measure performance. |
| 05:48.41 | findlay | well, that doesn't sound very rigorous at all. So much for computer *science* :-) |
| 05:48.46 | levi | Of course, there's the big-O analysis that will tell you how the algorithms scale compared to one another, but it omits constant factors. |
| 05:49.15 | levi | The theory can guide you, but when you're dealing with randomness, statistics are the natural tool to use. |
| 05:49.26 | findlay | well, I shouldn't be so condescending |
| 05:49.33 | findlay | right |
| 05:49.41 | levi | Science uses hypothesis, testing, and statistical analysis all the time. |
| 05:49.57 | levi | What it doesn't sound like is pure math. :) |
| 05:50.05 | findlay | heh |
| 05:50.43 | findlay | scientists also use intuition, inspiration, and shots in the dark |
| 05:51.12 | levi | Indeed. As do programmers who are choosing sorting algorithms. |
| 05:51.28 | levi | OK, time for me to go back to bashing my head against monads in Haskell. |
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| 06:18.45 | Sargun | nick125, join #init. |
| 06:18.52 | Sargun | We don't wanna wake up all the old people in here. |
| 06:19.08 | findlay | kind of hard to see the screen though |
| 06:19.23 | findlay | could work when you have your hands full |
| 06:19.38 | Sargun | findlay, try your feet.. |
| 06:20.37 | findlay | there's an idea |
| 06:21.17 | findlay | toungue would be more accessible |
| 06:21.36 | findlay | though unpleasant on a germy one |
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| 06:22.05 | Sargun | findlay, it might help you hone other skills... |
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| 06:24.50 | nick125 | Sargun: let's talk in some other channel....maybe #bitbucket, no one is ever alive in there. |
| 06:25.00 | Sargun | heh |
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| 06:34.04 | findlay | Sargun: you're just jealous of my madd sk1llz |
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| 06:55.54 | Supaplex | findlay: you have a scratch and sniff pad? ;) |
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| 06:57.09 | ibot | onjoin for findlay set by findlay on Fri Jan 18 15:34:06 2008: -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 06:59.15 | Supaplex | ~onjoin #utah findlay <action> tries out findlays' all new Synaptics Scratch and Sniff pad |
| 06:59.15 | ibot | ok, Supaplex |
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| 18:52.35 | findlay | man, I hardly ever get email in my inbox |
| 18:52.44 | findlay | and whose fault is that? |
| 18:52.51 | fozzmoo | Girls. |
| 18:52.57 | findlay | exactly |
| 18:52.58 | fozzmoo | It's always the fault of the females. |
| 18:53.19 | Tene | hay findlay: I have a girl laying in my bed right now. |
| 18:53.30 | fozzmoo | Hay? |
| 18:53.41 | findlay | ~lart Tene's girl |
| 18:53.41 | ibot | shoots Tene's girl in the head |
| 18:53.46 | fozzmoo | Awh. |
| 18:53.54 | findlay | -lart ibot |
| 18:54.01 | findlay | sure was |
| 18:54.33 | Tene | She's using my eeepc. She thinks it's cute. |
| 18:54.45 | findlay | aww |
| 18:54.49 | fozzmoo | TMI! |
| 18:55.08 | fozzmoo | Oh! She thinks your EEEPC is cute. Got it. |
| 18:55.13 | findlay | you should have got her one of those fluorescent colors |
| 18:55.13 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:55.42 | Tene | nah, this one's for me. Maybe I'll get one for her on her birthday or something. |
| 18:56.05 | fozzmoo | Tene: So, do you miss a big hard drive? |
| 18:56.26 | findlay | wow |
| 18:56.30 | Tene | Haven't yet. I haven't bothered reinstalling it with a decent distro yet, though. |
| 18:56.31 | fozzmoo | I've been leaning toward the Everex laptop that comes out next week. |
| 18:56.37 | findlay | gurus sure have teh moniez |
| 18:56.45 | fozzmoo | It has a 30G drive in it. |
| 18:56.58 | fozzmoo | findlay: $400 isn't exactly "teh moniez" |
| 18:57.13 | fozzmoo | Well, maybe if you're a student. ;-) |
| 18:57.44 | findlay | fozzmoo: when $400 will pay my living expenses for two months, thinking of throwing it at a girl 'for her birthday' is teh moniez |
| 18:57.52 | Tene | I was given a shiny little 120G usb drive by my class last week. |
| 18:58.03 | fozzmoo | Tene: Awh. That's nice. |
| 18:58.15 | fozzmoo | What class? |
| 18:58.32 | Tene | gustom gl120/gl250 for symantec in Orem. |
| 18:58.38 | fozzmoo | Nice! |
| 18:58.41 | Tene | This week I'm teaching an RH300 in NYC. |
| 18:59.23 | findlay | someday you'll teach RH300, fozzmoo |
| 18:59.33 | fozzmoo | I just wanna go to NYC |
| 18:59.49 | findlay | isn't that in Europe? |
| 18:59.56 | fozzmoo | Not yet. |
| 19:00.02 | Tene | I was talking to an acquaintance that lives there, and he arranged for an emergency ny.pm social meeting on Monday. |
| 19:00.09 | fozzmoo | heh. cool. |
| 19:00.12 | findlay | hm, so they's applied to the EU then |
| 19:01.09 | Tene | After that, though, it's a 133 in Austin. Texas = lame. |
| 19:01.28 | findlay | are you going to the NY philharmonic? |
| 19:01.33 | Tene | Nope. |
| 19:01.37 | Tene | Are you? |
| 19:01.38 | findlay | aw |
| 19:01.41 | findlay | you should |
| 19:04.34 | fozzmoo | Why is texas lame? |
| 19:04.51 | findlay | is Texas in Europe yet? |
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| 19:21.44 | Supaplex | I don't live close enough to texas to care if it's part of the EU (joke) |
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| 19:34.29 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you haven't been to texas aparently |
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| 23:29.55 | dataw0lf | Just got done caucusin' |
| 23:45.36 | elg | and? |
| 23:52.59 | dataw0lf | it's the first time I've ever caucused for a presidential nominee, it was pretty interesting. |
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