| 00:03.09 | findlay | ~go herlo |
| 00:05.26 | findlay | Tene: ping |
| 00:05.42 | herlo | :) |
| 00:05.48 | Tene | findlay: pong |
| 00:09.21 | herlo | yuck, I'm getting qworst service (for now) |
| 00:09.37 | nick125 | ew, Qwest. |
| 00:09.47 | nick125 | herlo: For what? |
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| 00:09.51 | ibot | gives fozzmoo an inappropriate french+german+russian+african kiss |
| 00:10.20 | findlay | aww |
| 00:10.21 | findlay | how PC |
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| 01:17.05 | Tene | I have internet access and fidndlay doesn't. |
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| 02:03.32 | herlo1 | nick125: internets |
| 02:03.47 | nick125 | herlo1: ouch |
| 02:04.18 | herlo1 | nick125: I have utopia on the curb, but I have to convince the HOA first to let me put it in |
| 02:12.18 | Heartsbane | herlo1: will you cry if they say NO |
| 02:12.28 | Heartsbane | I bet you will |
| 02:13.44 | pmcnabb | dave has started handing out pizza.. better hurry |
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| 02:21.44 | herlo1 | Heartsbane: I'll be pissed |
| 02:21.56 | herlo1 | Heartsbane: but it *will* happen |
| 02:22.00 | herlo1 | I'm determined |
| 02:24.31 | Heartsbane | I think the term is 'certifiable' |
| 02:25.12 | herlo1 | could be, but I'm sure it takes one to know one |
| 02:25.17 | herlo1 | :^D |
| 02:27.18 | Heartsbane | oh |
| 02:27.30 | findlay | herlo1: hoa's are t3h 3v1l |
| 02:28.32 | herlo1 | findlay: sometimes you take what you get because of where you'd like to live |
| 02:29.40 | tristanbob_ | what app do y'all use for podcast subscriptions? |
| 02:30.03 | herlo1 | tristanbob_: client or server? |
| 02:30.12 | findlay | herlo1: you _must_ force them to utopia unless they're stupid, they'll agree to the benefits |
| 02:30.25 | herlo1 | right |
| 02:30.26 | findlay | I don't see why anybody would *not* want it |
| 02:30.57 | tristanbob_ | herlo, client |
| 02:31.07 | herlo1 | findlay: they work 4 qworst or comcast? |
| 02:31.16 | herlo1 | tristanbob_: juice |
| 02:31.30 | tristanbob_ | it looks like that hasn't been updated in a few years |
| 02:31.35 | tristanbob_ | I guess it is still the best out there? |
| 02:31.38 | herlo1 | rhythmbox too |
| 02:33.33 | tristanbob_ | how bout gpodder or miro? |
| 02:33.45 | herlo1 | never used |
| 02:34.18 | findlay | herlo1: of all the universe of comcast-derived mockeries you had to go with the vanilla? |
| 02:35.39 | herlo1 | findlay: sorry, concrap |
| 02:35.48 | findlay | heh |
| 02:36.08 | tristanbob_ | that is great - miro installs but then crashes |
| 02:37.11 | herlo1 | tristanbob_: miro sucks |
| 02:37.14 | herlo1 | I tried it once |
| 02:46.26 | tristanbob_ | herlo, i re-opened it and it is working fine |
| 02:47.09 | herlo1 | miro is supposed to be the endall be all of video and audio streaming, but I could never get it workign right |
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| 04:17.12 | Sargun | ~die. |
| 04:17.13 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:17.18 | Sargun | neato. |
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| 05:37.15 | dmdavis | anyone on who knows mercurial? |
| 05:45.57 | levi | Sorry, haven't played with that one yet. |
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| 08:16.35 | Sargun | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/533096562.html |
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| 14:16.39 | Sargun | hey all |
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| 14:28.34 | herlo | emcnabb, hello |
| 14:29.49 | emcnabb | herlo, hi |
| 14:31.47 | herlo | emcnabb, got dircproxy set up, not sure I'm really happy yet. Still getting used to it I think |
| 14:32.02 | emcnabb | herlo, let me know if it works out for you |
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| 14:55.10 | Sargun | Ping; |
| 14:55.38 | Sargun | I need more battery.... |
| 14:56.42 | Sargun | Hm, why do I oddly resemble the guy who you're taught to pepper spray in sex ed? |
| 14:57.14 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha |
| 14:57.34 | Sargun | ^Migs^, So, did you file the subpoena against the Verizon DSL guy? |
| 14:58.00 | Sargun | or, rather have your lawyers contact their lawyers? |
| 14:58.18 | Sargun | heh. |
| 14:58.49 | Sargun | When I was in high school I hated people like you... |
| 14:58.59 | Sargun | Well, of course my IT admin wasn't so bright.... |
| 14:59.09 | Sargun | and I got accused of breaking laws that didn't exist |
| 14:59.13 | Sargun | but Anyways! |
| 14:59.55 | Sargun | Ooh, my E key is broken. |
| 14:59.59 | Sargun | this doesn't help |
| 15:00.12 | Sargun | ooh, t minus a few minutes until I hit the tunnels -- That means a disconnect. |
| 15:00.21 | findlay | how'd you type E then? |
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| 15:01.07 | Sargun | findlay, when I hit e it initially doesn't want to send input to the OS, and then I hit it kind of hard, and it sends several 1-3 to the computer ( |
| 15:01.09 | Sargun | er |
| 15:01.18 | Sargun | I think I figured it out. |
| 15:01.23 | Sargun | just tap it really hard. |
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| 15:07.00 | Sargun | I'm back! |
| 15:07.16 | Sargun | findlay, It was probably a crumb under the "e" key. |
| 15:07.46 | Sargun | Anyways, did ^Migs^ respond? |
| 15:08.16 | Sargun | Yay! The Train Stopped! |
| 15:08.29 | Sargun | oh |
| 15:08.31 | Sargun | we're moving again |
| 15:09.09 | findlay | whatever |
| 15:09.17 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py |
| 15:09.39 | Sargun | ok, good, my servers permissions are working still.. |
| 15:10.19 | Sargun | heh. |
| 15:10.28 | Sargun | You're outside of the statue of limitations. |
| 15:10.32 | Sargun | er |
| 15:10.35 | Sargun | mispeling. |
| 15:10.37 | Sargun | mispelling. |
| 15:10.41 | Sargun | misspelling. |
| 15:10.42 | Sargun | gah. |
| 15:13.26 | Sargun | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 15:13.26 | ibot | holds ^Migs^ to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 15:13.31 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 15:13.31 | ibot | cuts off findlay's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 15:14.51 | Sargun | heh. |
| 15:15.18 | mrpull | this should put the emacs vs vi argument to rest |
| 15:15.19 | mrpull | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls |
| 15:15.31 | Sargun | Can the time change back already? This DST thing is boring. |
| 15:15.39 | Sargun | The sun is rising too early. |
| 15:15.45 | Sargun | Put it back down. |
| 15:15.59 | Sargun | or make it rise at a much different time |
| 15:16.07 | Sargun | Not when I'm on the train. |
| 15:16.16 | Sargun | It looks nice though. |
| 15:16.51 | Sargun | Anyone else on this train enjoy sunsets? |
| 15:17.26 | Sargun | Do older people have the capability to enjoy sunsets? |
| 15:17.32 | Sargun | or to enjoy anything at all? |
| 15:17.56 | Sargun | or after their constant complaining of having to clean up after their kids and paying the bills numb their senses? |
| 15:18.26 | Sargun | I'm betting with all that complaining its the latter. |
| 15:19.12 | Sargun | ooh. |
| 15:19.36 | Sargun | Bundles of Copper & Fiber sitting on the side of the train track. |
| 15:20.20 | Sargun | Oh, its so enjoyable to see the train blocking 10-15 cars from crossing the tracks. |
| 15:20.22 | findlay | is this a joke? |
| 15:20.42 | findlay | what's the punch line? |
| 15:20.45 | Sargun | findlay, which part? |
| 15:21.27 | Sargun | The blocking part -- no. I do enjoy hate cars, except in emergencies and when taking public transportation isn't feasible. |
| 15:22.10 | Sargun | The adults -- They constantly tell teenagers how to enjoy their lives, and its quite annoying. Why don't you stop complaining and prove that you can enjoy yourself? |
| 15:22.23 | Sargun | The sunsets - Yes, sunsets are quite nice. |
| 15:22.55 | findlay | you fail |
| 15:24.14 | Sargun | The old people part. I think fozzmoo might be younger than 90% of this train |
| 15:24.14 | Sargun | (old people on train) |
| 15:24.17 | Sargun | The bay area's scenery is really neat. |
| 15:24.21 | Sargun | Like infront of me directly is a salt "factory", in the directly background there is a bunch of farms |
| 15:24.25 | Sargun | plus several dilapidated buildings covered with moss |
| 15:24.45 | Sargun | and in the background we have a edium sized factory plus several computer companies |
| 15:24.51 | Sargun | and if you continue several miles |
| 15:24.57 | Sargun | you see a bunch of marshes |
| 15:25.05 | Sargun | and NASA Ames in the background. |
| 15:25.26 | Sargun | And the salt marshes are jsut the right size that the entire background reflects in them |
| 15:25.39 | Sargun | Oh, did I mention the mountains on the background. |
| 15:25.41 | fozzmoo | Sargun: I'm only 35. |
| 15:25.41 | Sargun | and on the left! |
| 15:25.49 | findlay | whatever |
| 15:26.00 | findlay | you're just using your imagination |
| 15:26.00 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Yeah, but public transportation is usually used by younger people. |
| 15:26.12 | findlay | everybody knows the streets there are paved with silicon |
| 15:26.14 | Sargun | 35 is not young. |
| 15:26.21 | Sargun | findlay, Yeah... |
| 15:26.25 | Sargun | And on the lefT! |
| 15:26.40 | Sargun | The sunset over the mountains is reflecting in the water. |
| 15:26.47 | Sargun | with a bunch of houses. |
| 15:26.54 | Sargun | Green hills. |
| 15:27.24 | findlay | what if they were blue hills |
| 15:27.31 | findlay | would there be a bunch of houses then? |
| 15:27.33 | findlay | huh? |
| 15:27.43 | Sargun | findlay, on the hills.... |
| 15:27.55 | Sargun | yes. |
| 15:28.01 | Sargun | Even if the hills were blue |
| 15:28.07 | Sargun | there would be houses on them. |
| 15:28.14 | fozzmoo | jsmith: your video is up. |
| 15:28.17 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjFyhmRM6lg |
| 15:28.38 | findlay | well, you can have your blue, silicon houses |
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| 15:28.53 | findlay | to me the real world only exists in hypothesis |
| 15:29.16 | Sargun | landfill :-( |
| 15:29.42 | Sargun | And to the left of the landfill is Foundry Network's R&D |
| 15:29.53 | Sargun | and infront of the landfill is a golf course & Oracle. |
| 15:30.05 | Sargun | heh. |
| 15:30.24 | Sargun | Well, there is a hill separating them. |
| 15:30.34 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Did you prefer the Car? |
| 15:30.44 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Or do you? |
| 15:31.01 | Sargun | If so, why? |
| 15:31.05 | Sargun | Do you dislike trains now? |
| 15:31.08 | Sargun | Do you dislike walking now? |
| 15:31.13 | Sargun | Do you dislike buses now? |
| 15:31.25 | Sargun | Are you going to get your kids to ride public transportation? |
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| 15:32.46 | Sargun | Oooh, I have the entire top half of the train car |
| 15:33.29 | Sargun | six flags and webex to my right, and townhouses to my left. |
| 15:33.42 | fozzmoo | Sargun: When I was <16, I prefered my bike. |
| 15:33.43 | Sargun | er |
| 15:33.46 | Sargun | Great America. |
| 15:33.47 | findlay | tomorrow there'll be 7 flags |
| 15:33.49 | fozzmoo | Sargun: But now, yes, I prefer my Subar. |
| 15:34.00 | fozzmoo | s/Subar/Subaru/ |
| 15:34.02 | Sargun | Why? |
| 15:34.14 | findlay | because they haven't put up all the flags yet |
| 15:34.39 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Why do prefer your Subaru? |
| 15:34.40 | findlay | I thought everybody knew that |
| 15:35.01 | Sargun | SASCO! |
| 15:35.16 | Sargun | findlay, of course they do... |
| 15:35.20 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Uhm... it's an adult thing. :) |
| 15:35.42 | Sargun | fozzmoo, heh, Why though? I mean, if you were to subtract the kids, and possibly the wife? |
| 15:35.56 | Sargun | Ooh, the lab who f'd up 150k Hitachi HDDs |
| 15:35.58 | Sargun | is to my right |
| 15:36.00 | Sargun | :-) |
| 15:36.25 | Sargun | fozzmoo, I mean, buses are nice. |
| 15:36.30 | Sargun | They are large. |
| 15:36.30 | fozzmoo | Motorcycle, perhaps? |
| 15:36.34 | Sargun | They are safer. |
| 15:36.56 | fozzmoo | If I lived in a high-density area, I would probably use a rail transit system like a subway. |
| 15:37.07 | Sargun | I mean, one of my friends train cards "suffered" being T-boned by a car at 45 MPH |
| 15:37.29 | fozzmoo | But as it is, where I live it will be 50+ years before we see that kind of density. |
| 15:37.42 | Sargun | other than a coupele cracked windows, and mostly cosmetic damage the train car was alright. |
| 15:37.48 | fozzmoo | Even so, the govt is building rail transit systems that will operate mostly empty. |
| 15:37.49 | Sargun | The driver and the passengers died. |
| 15:37.55 | Sargun | Well, yeah. |
| 15:38.07 | Sargun | If you lived in an urban area. |
| 15:38.57 | fozzmoo | Okay. I'm heading to work. |
| 15:39.02 | fozzmoo | In my Subaru. :) |
| 15:39.03 | Sargun | If your live in the suburbs, you're screwed. |
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| 15:54.25 | sargun_n810 | My device prefers tahiti over utah |
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| 15:57.36 | sargun_n810 | Nervous older guy carryimg flowers = happy selfish lady? |
| 15:58.26 | sargun_n810 | Ooh cute girl across thne street |
| 15:58.50 | sargun_n810 | Insane singing guy.. |
| 15:58.58 | sargun_n810 | Cute girl turns away. |
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| 16:02.35 | sargun_n810 | This makes no sense... A hot security guard... |
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| 16:09.55 | Sargun | hm. |
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| 16:13.42 | Sargun | hi fungus |
| 16:13.57 | fungus | Good morning |
| 16:14.19 | Sargun | what's up? |
| 16:15.38 | fungus | More experimentation with ZFS |
| 16:15.49 | Sargun | Did you see that upgrade bug in ZFS? |
| 16:16.05 | fungus | no |
| 16:16.11 | Sargun | oh... |
| 16:16.53 | Sargun | http://discuss.joyent.com/viewtopic.php?id=19430 |
| 16:17.55 | Sargun | uh |
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| 16:29.29 | elg | anyone have any advice to dispense on toaster ovens? |
| 16:30.28 | jsmith | elg: The type of advice I tend to dispense on toaster ovens is good parmesan cheese |
| 16:31.13 | tristanbob | elg, toaster ovens - who needs `em? |
| 16:31.32 | tristanbob | I just gave mine away that I got at my wedding 3 years ago |
| 16:31.47 | tristanbob | used it 3 times, cooked the food bad each time |
| 16:32.10 | stderr- | gotta get the Foreman grill though |
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| 16:33.40 | fungus | Sargun that was an upgrade bug. Upgrading from 10/u1 -> 10/u2. My "Thumper" came with 10/u2, and I already upgraded to 10/u4 (latest). |
| 16:33.54 | Sargun | yeah |
| 16:33.58 | Sargun | oh |
| 16:34.07 | Sargun | I was going to buy a thumper. |
| 16:34.10 | Sargun | It was too expensive. |
| 16:34.13 | Sargun | It made me sad. |
| 16:34.14 | fungus | Also, Joyent should have use the "Live Upgrade" process to upgrade Solaris. |
| 16:34.46 | Jayce^ | elg, Alton had some advice on them in one episode |
| 16:34.50 | fungus | Expensive?! They are cheap compared to other high data density systems like them. |
| 16:35.13 | Sargun | fungus, I work with a bunch of uh, misprioritized people. |
| 16:35.24 | fungus | ahh, IC. |
| 16:36.07 | fungus | I guess I am lucky to have execs that understand the benefit of new technologies. |
| 16:36.35 | stderr- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.36 | fungus | We actually got our 12TB Thumper for only $16k |
| 16:37.14 | stderr- | oh wait I guess it came in second |
| 16:37.29 | fungus | Sun gave us 25% off on the Try-and-Buy, and got an additional discount buying it from a local reseller |
| 16:37.39 | stderr- | nice |
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| 16:38.28 | fungus | Now I just have to get over the fact that I am using Solaris. :( |
| 16:39.16 | Sargun | heh |
| 16:39.28 | Sargun | Isn't like SuSE certified for the X4500? |
| 16:39.47 | stderr- | would SuSE be better than Solaris? |
| 16:40.16 | fungus | We need ZFS. |
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| 16:44.58 | elg | tensai: i toyed with the in-laws' toaster oven over christmas |
| 16:45.07 | elg | made some biscuits and bread |
| 16:45.23 | tensai | elg: we just bought one. my wife found one that is both a toaster and toaster oven. |
| 16:45.27 | elg | you have to be clever, but it takes less time to preheat than an oven, ideal for biscuits and gravy in the morning |
| 16:45.44 | elg | oh, tristanbob not tensai |
| 16:45.48 | elg | :) |
| 16:45.54 | elg | tensai: so what one did you get? do you like it? |
| 16:46.55 | dmdavis | elg: My wife and I are looking for a toaster, too. Just saw a nice one at target for $30. Misspelled "power" right on the face of the toaster :) |
| 16:47.02 | dmdavis | poewr |
| 16:47.16 | tensai | elg: hamilton beach toaststation |
| 16:47.33 | tensai | yes, we like it. they're quite handy for quick and small baking tasks. |
| 16:48.15 | tensai | elg: I've had good results with freezing biscuits (haven't tried in the toaster oven yet) |
| 16:48.17 | elg | hehe |
| 16:48.25 | acrid | definately get one that can double as an oven |
| 16:48.31 | elg | tensai: that's a thought |
| 16:48.41 | elg | i'll have to try that too |
| 16:48.50 | tensai | elg: rolled 'em, cut 'em, and froze 'em |
| 16:48.54 | elg | a little bisquick and milk is easy enough though. it's just waiting for that danged oven |
| 16:49.17 | elg | i also plan to frequently bake little frozen batards in the morning |
| 16:49.22 | elg | frozen dough, that is |
| 16:49.53 | Sargun | I like my toaster oven. |
| 16:50.05 | Sargun | Well, my mother's rather, but I use it more than her |
| 16:50.10 | Sargun | Its stainless steel. :-) |
| 16:50.18 | elg | a waste of nickel |
| 16:50.22 | tensai | Sargun: more than "she" |
| 16:50.31 | Sargun | Tene, sorry |
| 16:50.52 | dmdavis | tensai: depends. it can be either way, from what I understand |
| 16:51.11 | tensai | dmdavis: well that's the beauty of english, ain't it |
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| 16:51.21 | ibot | gives fozzmoo an inappropriate french+german+russian+african kiss |
| 16:51.28 | dmdavis | tensai: is it not ;) |
| 16:51.41 | Sargun | african kiss? |
| 16:52.10 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Full lips. :) |
| 16:52.13 | tensai | dmdavis: in my mind it should be "she" because the natural verb following the sentence would be "does". "I use it more than her does"... ouch |
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| 16:53.24 | dmdavis | tensai: yeah, I agree, but I thought there was an alternate interpretation. Looking it up now, it looks like I may have been mistaken |
| 16:53.39 | dmdavis | dmdavis: yes, not yeah |
| 16:55.21 | tensai | dmdavis: when being a grammar nazi, I find most people just accept your correction and walk off muttering that you're a pompuous twit. I expect you could make up just about any syntax you liked and get away with it. |
| 16:55.44 | elg | dmdavis: well, it can be either way, if you imply that he uses her |
| 16:55.47 | dmdavis | tensai: now _that_ sounds like a fun game |
| 16:56.05 | dmdavis | elg: right, that's what I realized my confusion was |
| 16:56.20 | tensai | elg: ah, now I see the distinction |
| 16:56.39 | dmdavis | elg: not that I thought he used her |
| 16:56.39 | tensai | dmdavis: a game worthy of xkcd, I dare say |
| 16:57.07 | dmdavis | tensai: indeed. speaking of which, did you ever see his blag post about typing with one hand, mirroring the sides of the keyboard? |
| 16:57.27 | tensai | dmdavis: doesn't ring a bell |
| 16:58.18 | dmdavis | tensai: he noticed that when typing with one hand, he instinctively typed the keys that would be on the other half of the keyboard in a mirrored fashion. So, he types s in order to type l, w for o, etc. |
| 16:59.13 | dmdavis | tensai: thought it was a cool concept, so just last night I wrote a program which takes the one handed typing, searches the dictionary for what you meant, and replaces it. pretty cool for typing while feeding a baby :) |
| 16:59.40 | dmdavis | tensai: OK, so it was only tangentially related, but I was pretty excited about my program, and you mentioned xkcd |
| 17:01.01 | dmdavis | http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/08/14/mirrorboard-a-one-handed-keyboard-layout-for-the-lazy/ |
| 17:01.05 | elg | that sounds interesting |
| 17:01.33 | dmdavis | I found that I can type one handed, without needing to train at all |
| 17:05.45 | elg | how did you inject your program into X or whatever is getting the key events? |
| 17:06.21 | dmdavis | elg: it's just a proof of concept at this point. it's an ncurses program that you can type into |
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| 17:12.36 | levi | Morning, #utah. |
| 17:13.17 | dmdavis | levi: Morning |
| 17:14.57 | elg | we've done morning. we're on mid-day now |
| 17:17.35 | levi | Oh, well, I'm still doing morning. |
| 17:18.00 | levi | elg: I'm quite liking haskell so far. |
| 17:19.16 | levi | But I'm about to dive into something that I *think* using monads would be good for, so we'll see what I think after I get through that bit. |
| 17:19.49 | levi | Anyway, pattern matching on lazily-generated lists is a wonderful thing. |
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| 17:43.20 | Sargun | uh |
| 17:45.07 | herlo | jsmith, you are famous - AGAIN! - http://www.utosf.org/2008/01/18/another-utosc-2007-video-jared-smith/ |
| 17:45.23 | jsmith | herlo: Twice? Yikes! |
| 17:45.33 | herlo | jsmith, I know |
| 17:45.54 | herlo | jsmith, what was the interview about, do you remember? |
| 17:46.01 | herlo | I'm currently in testing so I can't do the audio |
| 17:46.25 | jsmith | herlo: No clue... |
| 17:46.34 | herlo | jsmith, okay, I guessed |
| 17:48.06 | tristanbob | I'm guessing about asterisk |
| 17:48.38 | tristanbob | wow - weird echo there |
| 17:51.01 | herlo | tristanbob, sure, but specifically?? |
| 17:51.30 | tristanbob | it only happened once |
| 17:51.39 | tristanbob | but I was distracted by dorans chest hair |
| 17:51.48 | herlo | haha, nice |
| 18:01.13 | Sargun | Is there a way to disable yum FTP? |
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| 18:04.18 | levi | Hey, it's sjansen! |
| 18:04.32 | sjansen | Look a levi! |
| 18:05.03 | levi | sjansen: So, I'm writing Haskell code now. |
| 18:05.44 | sjansen | What's the project? |
| 18:05.54 | levi | The compiler for my class. |
| 18:06.06 | sjansen | heh |
| 18:06.27 | levi | I was having a hard time getting started on it in Scala, because it's just a complex language. |
| 18:06.43 | levi | So I did my lexical analyzer in OCaml, which I've written some reasonably-sized projects in. |
| 18:07.11 | levi | And while I was doing that, I was really wishing that I could do pattern matching on streams. |
| 18:07.26 | levi | And since streams are essentially lazy lists... |
| 18:07.33 | levi | Haskell to the rescue! |
| 18:07.42 | findlay | what's the fastest sort? |
| 18:08.06 | levi | findlay: In general, quicksort. Answers may vary depending on your specific needs. |
| 18:08.09 | sjansen | findlay: Depends on the date. |
| 18:08.13 | sjansen | date |
| 18:08.15 | sjansen | data |
| 18:08.35 | findlay | yesterday |
| 18:09.43 | findlay | quickest as in fewest steps |
| 18:09.44 | herlo | sjansen: growing the beard back yet? |
| 18:10.13 | levi | findlay: Unless you want to think about this yourself, just use quicksort. |
| 18:10.28 | sjansen | levi: Did I mention I've discovered a general sorting algorithmn that's < O(n log n)? |
| 18:10.41 | findlay | levi: well I only have a vague understanding that there are many kinds of sorts |
| 18:10.46 | sjansen | Unfortunately, it's proof is too long to fit in the margin of xchat. |
| 18:10.46 | tensai | sjansen: does it require a pre-sorted list? |
| 18:11.10 | findlay | so you should have said, 'unless you want to research ths yourself' :-) |
| 18:11.16 | levi | findlay: Indeed. |
| 18:11.40 | Sargun | uh |
| 18:11.44 | findlay | ok |
| 18:11.58 | findlay | well it just came up in my linear algebra class |
| 18:12.29 | findlay | an I wanted to sound impressive by describing the fewest-steps sort, bu didn't know it |
| 18:12.58 | levi | If you're talking about sorts in terms of 'fewest-steps', you should not be speaking up. |
| 18:13.19 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 18:13.39 | levi | I mean it's a lot more complicated than that. |
| 18:14.36 | findlay | well I would think a sort only involves 2 operations |
| 18:14.42 | findlay | compare and swap |
| 18:15.05 | sjansen | That magic is in the order you compare and swap. |
| 18:15.12 | findlay | right |
| 18:15.34 | levi | What I'm saying is that comparison of sorting techniques is not a trivial thing. |
| 18:15.59 | sjansen | If you want to be famous, write provably correct sorting algorithmn that is better than O(n log n) |
| 18:16.10 | findlay | levi: I'm willing to believe you, but my belief is so far not justified |
| 18:16.21 | findlay | to my understanding |
| 18:16.22 | sjansen | s/sorting/general purpose sorting/ |
| 18:16.40 | levi | As sjansen has demonstrated, we often compare sorting algorithms through their Big-O descriptions. |
| 18:17.15 | levi | jsmith: Oh, you Philistine! :P |
| 18:17.21 | sjansen | findlay: levi is saying that explain how to compare algorithmn would take longer than he's willing to dedicate to your education. You'll have to take a CS class or spend quality time with Wikipedia. |
| 18:18.15 | levi | The big-O notation is only one way to compare sorting techniques, however, because it only describes how well the algorithm scales. |
| 18:18.27 | elg | constants matter! |
| 18:18.41 | levi | It glosses over the constant factors that can make a big difference in small-to-middle sized data sets. |
| 18:18.51 | elg | I fondly remember the first time after Big-O indoctrination that a professor said "hold on, constants matter in the real world!" |
| 18:19.15 | sjansen | Not if you work for Google. ;-) |
| 18:19.23 | levi | Not only do constants matter, but it matters whether you're measuring worst-case, best-case, or average-case performance. |
| 18:19.51 | levi | And in what situations those particular kinds of performance pop up for any given technique. |
| 18:19.53 | sjansen | Isn't qsort worst case O(n^2)? I forget. |
| 18:20.11 | levi | sjansen: I think that's right. |
| 18:20.50 | findlay | ok, well is there an easy way to tell me why if the comparisons are simple < or > evaluations it's not possible to prove one algorithm simplest? |
| 18:21.10 | findlay | so you're saying that such a proof does not exist |
| 18:21.30 | sjansen | You want simple? Bubble sort is simple. There's your answer. |
| 18:21.34 | tensai | with sorting algorithms, memory matters too. quicksort is a nice balance. bubblesort has worse worst-case performance, but is more conservative on memory. |
| 18:21.36 | goozbach | buggle sort |
| 18:21.39 | levi | That happens when the data is already sorted and you pick the left-most element as your pivot point. |
| 18:21.39 | goozbach | it's butteer |
| 18:21.40 | herlo | ahh, good ol' bubble sort |
| 18:21.49 | levi | findlay: Simple != fast |
| 18:22.03 | findlay | levi: simple means least steps |
| 18:22.09 | findlay | forget about real time |
| 18:22.12 | aesplin | long live the heap sort |
| 18:22.15 | levi | findlay: So? |
| 18:22.26 | findlay | levi: well, that's what I'm asking about :) |
| 18:22.38 | findlay | who cares how practical it turns out to be |
| 18:22.46 | sjansen | findlay: Do you mean lines of code when you say least steps? Or do you mean processor cycles? |
| 18:22.53 | levi | findlay: I'm not certain what the purpose of this is. |
| 18:22.59 | herlo | findlay: I don't think that simple means least amount of steps |
| 18:23.10 | findlay | sjansen: do not sully my mind with such materialistic concerns |
| 18:23.25 | herlo | findlay: simple means easy, less steps are sometimes easy. Other times, more steps with less in them is easier than less steps |
| 18:23.32 | levi | 'simple' needs to be more rigorously defined before you can *prove* anything. |
| 18:23.34 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.55 | findlay | levi: I think you're right |
| 18:24.02 | levi | findlay: Of course! |
| 18:24.07 | levi | My goodness. |
| 18:24.08 | findlay | heh |
| 18:24.23 | findlay | so much controversy over nothing |
| 18:24.48 | sjansen | Sorting isn't nothing. |
| 18:24.48 | levi | findlay: It's not 'nothing', it's your vagueness that's causing controversy. |
| 18:25.00 | sjansen | It's one of the fundamental underlying concepts of computer science. |
| 18:25.03 | levi | findlay: If you asked a specific question, you'd get a specific answer. |
| 18:25.05 | findlay | levi: well, I wasn't being vague on purpose |
| 18:25.12 | tensai | sjansen: sorting an empty set is nothing |
| 18:25.24 | sjansen | ~punish tensai |
| 18:25.24 | ibot | ACTION forces tensai to install and use Windows |
| 18:25.26 | findlay | I was tryng to ask why you can't make general statements about an abstract concept |
| 18:25.50 | sjansen | You can. But not in the vague way you attempted. |
| 18:26.01 | levi | findlay: You can make general statements about an abstract concept. You tried to make a specific statement, though. |
| 18:26.07 | goozbach | margiritas in the break room! |
| 18:26.09 | goozbach | yaya |
| 18:26.14 | goozbach | I love my job |
| 18:26.18 | levi | It was just not a well-defined specific statement. |
| 18:26.25 | findlay | well, I was trying to be as explanatory as I could |
| 18:26.26 | sjansen | For example, you can make the general statment "No general purposing sorting algorithmn can perform in better than O(n log n) time." |
| 18:27.10 | levi | findlay: You seemed to have the idea of a very specific concept, but you gave it a realy vague description as 'simple' |
| 18:27.21 | findlay | as it is I beleive now that I don't have enough knowledge to formally ask the question that I'm thinking |
| 18:27.39 | aesplin | you can always try again |
| 18:27.58 | aesplin | I usually have to try a couple of times before I can say something that comes out like I'm thinking |
| 18:28.16 | sjansen | Given that time is infinite. And given that space is also infinite. Would you like a piece of toast? |
| 18:28.17 | findlay | and I think I was transferring/confusing my question anyway |
| 18:28.28 | findlay | oooh, I'll take two |
| 18:28.42 | levi | findlay: This is what comes of trying to look knowledgeable in front of people when you are not! ;) |
| 18:29.04 | findlay | levi: do you consrue my statements as 'trying to look knowledgeable'? |
| 18:29.15 | findlay | that was not my intention |
| 18:29.24 | findlay | if it happened, I was wrong to do so |
| 18:29.40 | levi | findlay: You said you wanted to 'sound impressive' in your Linear Algebra class. |
| 18:29.57 | findlay | levi: yes, but it was a filthy desire |
| 18:30.00 | findlay | :) |
| 18:30.00 | levi | If you were lying about your motives, you can't blame me for believing you. ;) |
| 18:30.07 | sjansen | <findlay> an I wanted to sound impressive by describing the fewest-steps sort, bu didn't know it |
| 18:30.51 | levi | findlay: You don't actually have to have the right answer to *sound* impressive, though. |
| 18:31.05 | findlay | levi: truly :) |
| 18:31.14 | levi | You just have to know that no one else has the right answer either. |
| 18:31.19 | levi | Anyway, time for a meeting. |
| 18:33.18 | findlay | obviously the fastest/simplest/shortest/-O99/--f-unroll-loops/speediest/coolest sort is the O{pi[alpha^2]/x@sqrt(aleph)} sort |
| 18:40.47 | Keighvin | Behold! |
| 18:54.58 | Tene | I was just given a gift by the manager of the people I'm training. o.O |
| 18:55.00 | Tene | 120G usb hard drive. |
| 18:56.58 | herlo | Tene: very nice |
| 18:57.14 | Keighvin | Maybe he's just disposing of evidence... |
| 18:57.31 | herlo | Tene: however, the rule of thumb is that you must give that to the most traveled trainer in the company |
| 18:57.36 | herlo | for the last year |
| 18:58.57 | Jayce^ | instead of a thumb, I think he's going to give you a finger |
| 19:01.11 | herlo | Jayce^: I'll give you a finger! |
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| 19:14.56 | Tene | herlo: I'm suspicious. That doesn't sound like anything I've heard before... |
| 19:17.56 | findlay | Tene: ooh |
| 19:17.59 | findlay | nice |
| 19:18.15 | findlay | swag comes thick at symantc :) |
| 19:18.18 | herlo | Tene: you should really ask Dax and Bryan then, they'll clear it up |
| 19:18.56 | findlay | Tene: who's the guy in charge? My old bishop works for symanec in their backup division |
| 19:19.58 | goozbach | Tene: that should go to the (currrent or former) employee who did the longest stint on the road... |
| 19:20.33 | findlay | no. goozbach means the last person you ate dinner with |
| 19:23.05 | herlo | goozbach: they changed that policy |
| 19:23.25 | herlo | its not only current employees who did the most travel in the last rolling year period |
| 19:23.31 | herlo | s/not/now/g |
| 19:24.47 | Tene | findlay: what's his name? |
| 19:28.01 | findlay | Tene: Ken Lawrence |
| 19:30.32 | emcnabb | herlo, I just played with PackageKit for the first time - it's pretty smooth |
| 19:30.43 | herlo | emcnabb: its nice ey? |
| 19:30.59 | emcnabb | yeah - what do other distros think of it? |
| 19:31.01 | herlo | emcnabb: they just interviewed the two guys for it this week |
| 19:31.29 | emcnabb | herlo, yeah, that's where I read about it (and decided to give it a shot) |
| 19:31.37 | emcnabb | herlo, what time are you going to the airport? |
| 19:31.49 | emcnabb | my flight leaves at 7pm |
| 19:31.59 | herlo | emcnabb: they talk about the fact that ubuntu, suse, and foresight are gonna be using it |
| 19:32.04 | herlo | emcnabb: mines at 6:30 |
| 19:32.12 | herlo | I'll leave here at about 4 |
| 19:32.26 | emcnabb | cool |
| 19:32.32 | herlo | need a ride? |
| 19:33.52 | emcnabb | herlo, don't think so - we need to have the car there for when we return |
| 19:34.11 | herlo | ahh, indeed |
| 19:34.20 | herlo | thought maybe Lisa took it |
| 19:38.33 | levi | Mmm, food. |
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| 20:22.14 | Tene | findlay: nope, not in here. |
| 20:26.09 | atoponce | so, it's fun to watch students squirm during their exam. :) |
| 20:26.15 | Sargun | hey |
| 20:26.24 | atoponce | the sweat. the pain. the agony. what joy! :) |
| 20:26.26 | Sargun | atoponce, are you an instructor? |
| 20:26.31 | atoponce | yes |
| 20:26.31 | Sargun | for GL |
| 20:26.43 | Sargun | What class |
| 20:26.46 | Sargun | are you teaching? |
| 20:26.53 | Sargun | Well, what exam? |
| 20:26.54 | atoponce | RH300 this week and next |
| 20:26.58 | atoponce | CE |
| 20:27.04 | Sargun | ah. |
| 20:27.04 | Sargun | fun |
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| 20:27.11 | Sargun | Right now they are in part 2? |
| 20:27.27 | atoponce | 3min left of the exam, and they're done |
| 20:27.57 | atoponce | when did you get it? |
| 20:28.32 | emcnabb | Sargun, I remember back when you took the 033 |
| 20:28.33 | Sargun | uh |
| 20:28.36 | Sargun | I'm looking |
| 20:28.39 | Sargun | emcnabb, your first course |
| 20:28.40 | emcnabb | that was my first class ever |
| 20:28.41 | emcnabb | I think |
| 20:28.43 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 20:28.54 | Sargun | I remember the solaris guy talking about interface aliasing |
| 20:29.16 | Sargun | heh. |
| 20:29.22 | Sargun | https://www.redhat.com/training/certification/verify/?rhce_cert_display:certno=804005272815750&rhce_cert_display:verify_cb=Verify |
| 20:29.22 | Sargun | yay |
| 20:29.26 | Sargun | Its still valid! |
| 20:29.40 | Sargun | 7/2/05 |
| 20:29.43 | Sargun | meaning I was |
| 20:29.48 | Sargun | 5? |
| 20:29.50 | Sargun | 15? |
| 20:30.01 | Sargun | barely 15. |
| 20:30.29 | Sargun | They're valid for 3 years, right? |
| 20:30.38 | emcnabb | the current release + 1 |
| 20:30.43 | Sargun | ah. |
| 20:30.58 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 20:30.58 | emcnabb | are you out of high school yet? |
| 20:31.02 | Sargun | yeah. |
| 20:31.04 | emcnabb | wow |
| 20:31.05 | Sargun | Tested out. |
| 20:31.14 | emcnabb | when would you have graduated? |
| 20:31.52 | Sargun | next year |
| 20:31.56 | Sargun | 09 |
| 20:32.26 | Sargun | Do you think they'll have a major release within the next year? |
| 20:32.45 | emcnabb | it's usually two years between major RHEL releases |
| 20:32.51 | emcnabb | and RHEL5 was released in Feb |
| 20:32.54 | emcnabb | 07 |
| 20:33.42 | Sargun | I thought it was an 18 month release cycle... |
| 20:33.50 | emcnabb | 1.5 - 2 years |
| 20:33.56 | Sargun | ah |
| 20:34.09 | Sargun | Still holding out with Gentoo Project. |
| 20:34.40 | emcnabb | that's too bad |
| 20:34.41 | sjansen | emcnabb!!! |
| 20:34.43 | Sargun | with nano |
| 20:34.52 | emcnabb | sjansen!!! booooo |
| 20:35.19 | Sargun | emcnabb, I remember you spent like 3 hours on vi |
| 20:35.25 | Sargun | that was -painful- |
| 20:35.33 | emcnabb | Sargun, vi is for men |
| 20:35.36 | Sargun | haha |
| 20:35.50 | emcnabb | nano is for... well... never mind |
| 20:35.59 | Sargun | ~lart emcnabb |
| 20:35.59 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at emcnabb |
| 20:36.23 | emcnabb | Sargun, so what are your plans now that you're done with HS? |
| 20:36.35 | Sargun | Completing my GE at a JC |
| 20:36.40 | Sargun | Working now. |
| 20:36.52 | emcnabb | where do you work? |
| 20:36.56 | Sargun | Hopefully once I'm 18 I'll transition to a different job. |
| 20:36.58 | Sargun | deCarta. |
| 20:37.11 | Sargun | Its and LBS provider |
| 20:37.35 | Sargun | So, we write the painful & terrible software that runs on your PNAV (gps) units |
| 20:37.45 | emcnabb | cool |
| 20:38.00 | Sargun | yeah. |
| 20:38.08 | Sargun | My boss is pretty cool. |
| 20:38.18 | Sargun | but this company is all about IP |
| 20:38.27 | Sargun | meaning that I don't get to touch anything neat. |
| 20:38.54 | Sargun | Also, meaning I only get to play with test-related stuff |
| 20:39.38 | Sargun | Hey, but its alright with me. |
| 20:40.09 | Sargun | At least I'm not flipping burgers... |
| 20:40.24 | stderr- | mmm vim emulation improved in newest version of WingIDE |
| 20:40.35 | Sargun | and the occasional toy I get to take home is nice. |
| 20:41.01 | emcnabb | nice |
| 20:41.29 | Sargun | Not as cool as being a guru ^_^ |
| 20:41.35 | Sargun | :-P |
| 20:42.57 | Sargun | ooh, that was easier than expected |
| 20:43.32 | stderr- | what're you playing with, an OLPC? |
| 20:44.08 | stderr- | man I wish CoD 4 had the same sort of web accessible stats that Halo 3 did |
| 20:44.58 | Sargun | stderr-, No, a broken Fedora core system |
| 20:45.31 | stderr- | there's some other type of a Fedora system |
| 20:45.46 | stderr- | probably should've put that in the form of a question |
| 20:45.59 | Supaplex | heh |
| 20:46.31 | Sargun | you mean: Is there another kind of fedora system? |
| 20:46.55 | Sargun | anyways, gotta go to a meeting, bye. |
| 20:46.56 | Jayce^ | stderr-, just ordering my 08 ego kit :) |
| 20:48.10 | stderr- | Jayce^: still got the 07 for sale? |
| 20:50.05 | dataw0lf | just got back from seeing Obama speak |
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| 20:57.05 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, nope |
| 20:57.08 | Jayce^ | sold it |
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| 21:17.30 | ibot | gives fozzmoo an inappropriate french+german+russian+african kiss |
| 21:19.21 | Supaplex | man fozzmoo, get a room |
| 21:25.51 | tensai | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action> gives fozzmoo a stern handshake and a pat on the back. and then kisses him. |
| 21:25.51 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 21:26.01 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:29.39 | sjansen | emcnabb!!! |
| 21:30.00 | fozzmoo | sjansen!!! |
| 21:30.40 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | fozzmoo!!! |
| 21:30.47 | emcnabb | sjansen--- |
| 21:31.54 | Supaplex | tripple minus eh? |
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| 21:46.54 | Sargun | fozzmoo, ? |
| 21:47.08 | fozzmoo | Sargun: What? |
| 21:48.52 | Sargun | I dislike perl. |
| 21:50.35 | fozzmoo | sargun: I suspect the feeling is mutual. |
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| 21:53.31 | ibot | gives fozzmoo a stern handshake and a pat on the back. and then kisses him. |
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| 21:56.21 | Sargun | grep -i is so much slower than plain grep |
| 21:57.08 | elg | depends on what you're grepin |
| 21:57.54 | Sargun | 400 meg text file |
| 21:58.15 | Sargun | I would imagine it should only be number of characters factorial slower at worst... |
| 21:58.37 | Sargun | let's test my hypothesis |
| 21:59.28 | elg | it should be no slower |
| 21:59.33 | elg | asymptotically |
| 21:59.44 | elg | they're both regexes after all |
| 22:05.17 | levi | The overhead should be a small constant factor, i.e. the cost of running toupper on an int. |
| 22:06.47 | findlay | there's levi, always quantifying and qualifying everything in lucid ways :-) |
| 22:06.57 | Sargun | its 110 slower |
| 22:07.14 | levi | Sargun: 110 what slower? |
| 22:07.23 | Sargun | It took .475 seconds to normally grep this file. |
| 22:07.43 | Sargun | and 30 seconds is the best time |
| 22:07.46 | Sargun | with -i |
| 22:08.06 | levi | 400 meg is a lot of characters to run toupper on. |
| 22:08.44 | Sargun | toupper can't be that slow |
| 22:08.52 | elg | Sargun: profile it |
| 22:08.58 | Sargun | where is toupper declared? |
| 22:09.01 | findlay | Sargun: to help establish your answer maybe you can lowercase everything and try again? |
| 22:09.03 | elg | it's more likely to be the function overhead than the toupper itself |
| 22:09.05 | levi | ctype.h |
| 22:09.38 | Sargun | and grep? |
| 22:09.45 | elg | grep is a proggy |
| 22:09.49 | findlay | grep's in coreutils I think |
| 22:09.52 | levi | It's not so much that toupper is slow, but that a good regex engine is really fast. |
| 22:09.55 | Sargun | findlay, no, its independent. |
| 22:10.14 | findlay | guess not |
| 22:10.25 | findlay | sys-apps/grep-2.5.1a-r1 |
| 22:11.17 | dmdavis | if the text is in ascii, you could just bit shift it 5 instead of using toupper. that should be plenty fast |
| 22:11.33 | dmdavis | oh, not bitshift |
| 22:11.39 | dmdavis | got mult and add confused |
| 22:11.50 | dmdavis | but, you could subtract 32. still fast |
| 22:11.58 | levi | dmdavis: No, you have to make sure you're dealing with a letter first, else the operation is ill-formed. |
| 22:12.25 | elg | two comparisons and a subtraction |
| 22:12.38 | levi | toupper will return its argument unchanged if it's not uppercase-able. |
| 22:12.42 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.49 | dmdavis | right, but that still shouldn't have the type of hit that Sargun is seeing, is my point |
| 22:13.11 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.11 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.11 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.11 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.11 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.11 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.15 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.17 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.50 | Sargun | static void |
| 22:13.50 | Sargun | setbit (unsigned b, charclass c) |
| 22:13.50 | Sargun | { |
| 22:13.50 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.50 | Sargun | } |
| 22:14.00 | Sargun | hm. |
| 22:14.04 | Sargun | That seems overheady. |
| 22:16.48 | findlay | yeah, but did you look at toupper? |
| 22:17.11 | findlay | or ISUPPER for that matter |
| 22:18.00 | Sargun | not yet. |
| 22:18.00 | findlay | we'll make ayak shaver of Sargun yet |
| 22:18.09 | findlay | s/ay/a y/ |
| 22:25.39 | dmdavis | point of interest: swap char case in ascii is "char ^= 0x20" |
| 22:25.48 | dmdavis | maybe you already knew that, I thought it was cool. |
| 22:27.13 | levi | Nope, didn't know that. I imagine that must have been designed in. |
| 22:27.27 | dmdavis | probably |
| 22:27.50 | dmdavis | there are a few punctuation chars between upper and lower case, so that a is exactly 32 away from A |
| 22:27.53 | levi | It probably explains why there's a gap between the lowercase and uppercase letters. |
| 22:28.37 | findlay | figures |
| 22:28.58 | findlay | those ancient programmers must have pretty smart |
| 22:29.02 | findlay | been |
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| 22:32.32 | jsmith | Back when every operation mattered |
| 22:33.17 | elg | ~onjoin beandog |
| 22:33.22 | elg | ~onjoin beandog elgping |
| 22:33.22 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 22:33.30 | elg | ~onjoin beandog beandog: elgping |
| 22:33.30 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 22:34.06 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 22:34.06 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 22:34.34 | nick125 | Sargun: poke |
| 22:50.01 | Sargun | ouch, crap, that heart |
| 22:50.03 | Sargun | http://www.pandora.com/music/song/presidents+of+united+states+of+america/lump |
| 22:50.27 | Sargun | findlay, but now they are old, and dying. |
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| 22:58.43 | levi | Sargun: Have you not heard that song before? |
| 22:59.02 | dataw0lf | PUSA's "Little Dune Buggy" is way better than Lump |
| 22:59.28 | levi | I've got that album, but I haven't listened to it in years. |
| 22:59.36 | dataw0lf | that album is great from beginning to end. |
| 22:59.47 | levi | Since Sargun was in diapers, probably. :P |
| 22:59.49 | dataw0lf | the funny thing is that both Lump and Peaches are two of the weaker songs on that album |
| 23:00.21 | dataw0lf | levi: you know they formed a band with Sir Mixalot, right? |
| 23:00.29 | dataw0lf | I dunno if they're still around |
| 23:00.30 | levi | dataw0lf: No, I didn't know that. |
| 23:01.24 | dataw0lf | oh, apparently they never released an album |
| 23:01.36 | dataw0lf | they came up with this song called Something Wicked This Way Comes or something that was pretty good |
| 23:02.57 | levi | Hmm, looking at dates, I'd have to guess that Sargun was probably potty trained when Kitty hit the airwaves. |
| 23:03.22 | dataw0lf | Heh |
| 23:03.25 | levi | But it definitely qualifies as 'before his time'. |
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| 23:04.28 | mrpull | wait... sir mixalot and PUSA teamed up? |
| 23:04.37 | mrpull | that'd be... uh... interesting |
| 23:04.57 | dataw0lf | mrpull: yea, under "Subset". It was big right around the time Napster was, so it was one of the first mp3s that I ever downloaded |
| 23:05.03 | dataw0lf | I guess they didn't come out with an album though. |
| 23:05.53 | mrpull | ever hear Sir Mixalot's early records? Buttermilk Biscuits? That is some wacky stuff. |
| 23:07.21 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 23:07.47 | nick125 | Sargun: sup? |
| 23:08.10 | Sargun | nick125, Just work. |
| 23:08.15 | Sargun | Helping one of our PS customers. |
| 23:08.23 | mrpull | ahhh... or square dance rap? |
| 23:08.24 | levi | Hmm, Sun just open-sourced the Fortress prototype interpreter. |
| 23:08.29 | mrpull | old silly hip hop was fun |
| 23:11.19 | Sargun | levi, Does that mean sun is leaving Java? |
| 23:11.25 | levi | No. |
| 23:11.27 | Sargun | :-( |
| 23:11.35 | findlay | ~java Sargun |
| 23:11.36 | ibot | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Sargun |
| 23:11.50 | levi | Fortress is an attempt to make a nice language for scientific computing. |
| 23:11.56 | levi | So they can stop using Fortran. :) |
| 23:12.36 | findlay | levi: FORTRAN is used high performance, right? If so, will it be able to replace it adequately? |
| 23:12.50 | dataw0lf | SciPy++ |
| 23:13.41 | levi | findlay: It's hard to say, but Steele knows what he's doing, and I assume he believes it can. |
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| 23:32.54 | beandog | elgping? |
| 23:33.12 | sontek | elg: ping! beandog is here! |
| 23:33.15 | levi | I think elg wants you to ping him. |
| 23:33.24 | beandog | oh |
| 23:33.25 | levi | ~ping elg |
| 23:33.25 | ibot | pong elg |
| 23:33.30 | sontek | I've gotcha covered |
| 23:33.30 | beandog | :) |
| 23:33.32 | beandog | thx |