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| 00:22.59 | Sargun | What happens if you hit over 26 drives in Linux? |
| 00:23.03 | Sargun | sdaa |
| 00:23.05 | Sargun | sd0 |
| 00:23.11 | Sargun | sdA |
| 00:23.13 | Sargun | sdZ |
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| 00:39.17 | maquis | Sargun: you should find out |
| 00:39.27 | Sargun | maquis, I'm working on this right now. |
| 00:39.36 | Sargun | Adding 36 drives to a Linux system |
| 00:39.40 | maquis | nice |
| 00:39.42 | Sargun | 18 TB of XFS storage RAID5'd |
| 00:39.45 | maquis | usb drives? |
| 00:39.48 | maquis | oh |
| 00:39.48 | Sargun | oh, god that's sexy |
| 00:39.52 | maquis | real drives |
| 00:39.53 | maquis | yipes |
| 00:39.54 | Sargun | 7200 RPM 250 GB drives |
| 00:39.56 | Sargun | SCSI |
| 00:40.27 | maquis | 36 250GB drives? |
| 00:40.54 | Sargun | Well |
| 00:41.04 | Sargun | 1 9.1 TB drive (virtual |
| 00:41.12 | Sargun | 32 400 GB drives |
| 00:47.43 | Sargun | crapp... |
| 00:47.50 | maquis | ? |
| 00:47.54 | Sargun | I think I broke something :-X |
| 00:50.01 | maquis | like? |
| 00:55.21 | Sargun | I only see half the drives.. |
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| 01:08.06 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a wet sloppy kiss |
| 01:08.30 | levi | Oh, man, this guy is advocating a truly awful design for our compiler. |
| 01:10.12 | levi | Oh the other hand, I'm also reading Wirth bashing C, which is music to my ears (art to my eyes?). |
| 01:13.20 | levi | Aaah! He's talking about cutting and pasting! Generating thousands of lines! :/ |
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| 02:12.51 | Sargun | Movie name [Don't Google it]: A condom is the glass slipper for our generation. You slip one on when you meet a stranger. You dance all night, and then you throw it away. The condom, I mean, not the stranger. |
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| 02:45.20 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a wet sloppy kiss |
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| 03:03.25 | Supaplex | -movie title |
| 03:12.26 | elg | so what programs does one use to burn data dvds in linux? |
| 03:14.22 | herlo | wodim |
| 03:14.45 | herlo | and it works beautifully |
| 03:15.16 | Sargun | uh |
| 03:20.20 | Supaplex | Sargun: you don't say. |
| 03:20.29 | elg | wodim is the awesome cdrtools replacer right? |
| 03:20.45 | elg | or part of it |
| 03:22.58 | findlay | ~replace all software with a multi-call binary |
| 03:22.59 | ibot | ACTION replaces all software with a multi-call binary with a very small shell script |
| 03:23.17 | findlay | ooh, an omnipotent shell script |
| 03:23.30 | findlay | of course it's small |
| 03:24.36 | findlay | the readability of shell scripts grows exponentially according to the inverse of the size |
| 03:24.50 | findlay | s/grows/shrinks/ |
| 03:24.58 | findlay | of course |
| 03:25.08 | findlay | the Universe began as a shell script of zero size |
| 03:25.19 | findlay | it's all beginning to make sense now |
| 03:31.35 | findlay | beware the ides of January |
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| 03:33.18 | findlay | next month is the time for leaping |
| 03:35.33 | sjansen | tensai: I hate PHP just as much as the next guy (probably more) but don't you think the channel topic is a touch... hostile? |
| 03:37.46 | Supaplex | I thought it was too conservative ;) hehe jk! |
| 03:38.15 | Supaplex | now ASP, well I won't go there. |
| 03:38.20 | findlay | heh |
| 03:38.29 | findlay | the snake |
| 03:38.56 | jbellis | I have an oldish server in my basement with onboard scsi sda and sdb. I added a sata card and two disks to use as a media server. Linux decided the new ones are now sda/b and the old ones are sdc/d. This breaks a lot of my setup. Is there a hw-independant way of saying "make this disk always be sda," etc? |
| 03:40.21 | findlay | sounds like a kernel question |
| 03:40.25 | jbellis | yes it does |
| 03:40.39 | findlay | maybe look into udev rules |
| 03:45.27 | findlay | or, alternatively, find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e "s/sda/sdc/g" :) |
| 03:47.12 | Supaplex | findlay: that's bad. that'll break binaries |
| 03:47.52 | findlay | well the binaries were wrong so the should be broken |
| 03:47.55 | Supaplex | jbellis: grub might have some trick up its sleve to swap drives on boot |
| 03:48.05 | Supaplex | hahaa yeah, ok. :p |
| 03:48.37 | findlay | you mean passing command line options to linux when it starts |
| 03:49.13 | tensai | sjansen: it's not my quote. I just thought it was funny. |
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| 03:49.42 | findlay | -chat ibot |
| 03:49.47 | jbellis | grub device.map looks like it can do what I want |
| 03:49.59 | jbellis | documentation is scanty :( |
| 03:50.40 | Supaplex | jbellis: if you use uuid's, it's less of a problem when drives/devices shift around. |
| 03:50.48 | findlay | so maybe the bios determines the hardware topology and the kernel takes it from that (via grub?) |
| 03:50.50 | Supaplex | but it's tricker to setup at first |
| 03:51.17 | brac | ibot is brutal :) |
| 03:51.22 | findlay | heh |
| 03:52.13 | Supaplex | findlay: the bootloader remapping affects any os, so I think it's tinkering with a soft/working copy of some kind. |
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| 03:52.33 | brac | echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway |
| 03:55.43 | herlo | it is |
| 03:55.56 | elg | you doubt? |
| 04:00.58 | Sargun | hey |
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| 04:02.53 | Supaplex | -chat hey |
| 04:02.54 | brac | hey had |
| 04:03.17 | elg | sigh |
| 04:03.27 | elg | I managed to lock up wodim and now I have to ruin my uptime and reboot |
| 04:03.39 | Supaplex | ewpz |
| 04:03.42 | elg | I mistakenly thought it would be no big deal to hit ctrl-c during a -dummy run |
| 04:04.12 | Supaplex | odd |
| 04:04.18 | elg | not really |
| 04:04.38 | elg | IME cdrecord (and wodim is its descendent) will lock up if you look at it wrong |
| 04:05.06 | Supaplex | not for me, but okay. |
| 04:13.48 | Supaplex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPCON_disaster |
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| 04:21.55 | elg | what of it? |
| 04:22.16 | Sargun | haha |
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| 04:24.32 | Supaplex | grrr stupid pinwheel of unhappiness |
| 04:26.31 | Sargun | o.O |
| 04:30.01 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 04:30.18 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a wet sloppy kiss |
| 04:31.04 | elg | don't be sloppy ibot |
| 04:31.24 | elg | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action>greets fozzmoo with a long, wet, seductive kiss |
| 04:31.24 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 04:32.51 | Sargun | hehe |
| 04:35.26 | Sargun | Anybody here read confessions of a college call girl? |
| 04:36.14 | Tene | I read some of it, I think. |
| 04:36.37 | Sargun | Hm. |
| 04:36.43 | Sargun | How anonymous is her identity? |
| 04:40.28 | Sargun | Tene, Any idea? |
| 04:40.47 | Tene | I have no idea. The name just sounds vaguely familiar. |
| 04:40.55 | levi | Woot! I have now taken pictures on my new camera. :) |
| 04:41.01 | Sargun | I'd like to track her down. |
| 04:41.18 | Tene | levi: but have you taken pictures "of" the new camera? |
| 04:41.27 | levi | Tene: Nope. |
| 04:41.34 | Sargun | Just for the hell of it. |
| 04:41.46 | Sargun | See, I can get her IP |
| 04:41.52 | Sargun | with her IP I can probably narrow down |
| 04:41.57 | levi | Tene: It looks pretty much like the ad pictures say it does, unlike, say, fast food burgers do. |
| 04:41.58 | Sargun | the area without 300 miles |
| 04:42.09 | Sargun | within |
| 04:42.10 | Tene | levi: that should always be the first picture you take, like compiling a compiler with itself. |
| 04:42.38 | Sargun | hehe |
| 04:55.32 | fozzmoo | Sargun: I think you need some therapy of some sort. |
| 04:55.48 | Lakshmi | sargun: i'll be agreeing with fozzmoo on this one |
| 04:56.04 | fozzmoo | Oh wait, I get it. You're like 17, right? |
| 04:56.08 | Sargun | fozzmoo, possibly. |
| 04:56.09 | fozzmoo | Sargun: YOU'RE NORMAL! |
| 04:56.10 | Sargun | Uh, yeah. |
| 04:56.12 | Sargun | and bored. |
| 04:56.24 | Lakshmi | how is this normal? |
| 04:56.30 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo |
| 04:57.09 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: 17 yr old boys, fantasizing about really, really sleazy sex? Normal. |
| 04:57.24 | Sargun | And I have this odd ability |
| 04:57.35 | Sargun | of stumbling upon information |
| 04:57.40 | Sargun | nick125 can back me up on that. |
| 04:57.52 | Tene | Sargun: you can''t find out my given name. |
| 04:58.00 | Sargun | Tene, probably not. |
| 04:58.32 | fozzmoo | 17 yr old boys thinking they have special powers or unique attributes related to their reproductive anatomy? Normal. |
| 04:58.36 | Sargun | but you seem relatively smart. |
| 04:58.40 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Uh... |
| 04:58.59 | fozzmoo | (or that they are especially good at stumbling on stuff) |
| 04:59.08 | fozzmoo | (Normal.) |
| 04:59.10 | Sargun | stumbling upon what stuff? |
| 04:59.30 | Tene | Sargun: man, you suck. you didn't even check my whois? |
| 05:00.03 | Sargun | Tene, I'm not really interested in you |
| 05:00.06 | Sargun | you're intelligent, and otherwise normal. |
| 05:00.34 | Sargun | Tene, would you agree that you're intelligent? |
| 05:00.36 | Tene | Bah, I'm plenty interesting. Remember that one time when I said stuff about things? |
| 05:01.03 | fozzmoo | Oh yeah. |
| 05:01.05 | Tene | Sargun: Probably. Why |
| 05:02.14 | Sargun | Would you say your normal |
| 05:02.30 | Tene | Not if I was being truthful. |
| 05:02.57 | fozzmoo | your normal or you're normal? |
| 05:03.01 | Sargun | er |
| 05:03.04 | Sargun | you're. |
| 05:03.07 | fozzmoo | I, personally, don't want to know anything and Tene's normal. |
| 05:03.22 | Tene | Heh. |
| 05:03.37 | fozzmoo | s/and/about/ |
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| 05:04.39 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. Orthogonal. |
| 05:05.03 | tensai | fozzmoo: that's one of my favorite words |
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| 05:16.08 | sontek | ~normalize tensai |
| 05:16.11 | sontek | whoops |
| 05:16.15 | sontek | ~normalize Tene ! |
| 05:17.47 | Tene | ^5 tensai |
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| 05:39.44 | jbellis | bleh, looks like my mdadm problems are caused by a bad sata card |
| 05:39.52 | jbellis | sata card + disk A = okay |
| 05:39.58 | jbellis | sata card + disk B = also okay |
| 05:40.14 | Supaplex | bad sata card, no biscuit |
| 05:40.15 | jbellis | sata card + disk A _and_ disk B = "scsi" errors up to my eyeballs |
| 05:40.37 | jbellis | any suggestions for a good cheap card? |
| 05:42.08 | tensai | good cheap sata card? good luck with that. |
| 05:44.14 | jbellis | shouldn't be that hard since mdadm will handle any raid i need, right? |
| 05:44.37 | jbellis | i.e. by "good" i don't mean "does hw raid" i mean "doesn't fall over with more than one disk attached like my current one does" |
| 05:45.16 | tensai | that increases the odds then. I don't do much sata though, so all I have is snarky replies. |
| 06:04.56 | rsimpkins | jbellis: About the best you can do is 3ware - which i think are lame. |
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| 06:28.04 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know if comcast blocks SMTP at all? |
| 06:44.46 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.06 | Sargun | rsimpkins, I know they block some |
| 06:46.51 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Which ones? |
| 06:47.01 | findlay | 1,2,3,4 |
| 06:47.09 | findlay | probably |
| 06:47.11 | Sargun | hehe |
| 06:47.15 | Sargun | Depends on location.. |
| 06:47.21 | findlay | but only on the ides of January |
| 06:47.27 | Sargun | and depends on the time |
| 06:47.36 | Sargun | Like during big outbreaks |
| 06:47.38 | Sargun | they block 139 |
| 07:07.53 | levi | So, I'm rewriting my lexical analyzer in Haskell. |
| 07:08.13 | levi | Parts of it are now much easier, but I haven't figured out how to do other parts just yet. |
| 07:34.43 | Supaplex | levi needs some PFM |
| 07:34.58 | Sargun | Supaplex, what are you upto? |
| 07:36.02 | Supaplex | I'm fixing up some photos for a few fleabay listings |
| 07:38.32 | Sargun | ah |
| 07:38.34 | Sargun | fun |
| 07:39.56 | Lakshmi | hey sargun! |
| 07:42.34 | Supaplex | Sargun: http://users.surfthe.us/scotte/ebay/2008-01/esp780ph2.jpeg |
| 07:43.08 | Sargun | which is? |
| 07:43.37 | Supaplex | epson stlus photo 780 print head |
| 07:46.49 | Sargun | ah |
| 08:27.59 | levi | Supaplex: PFM? |
| 08:28.42 | levi | Wow, the Haskell version of the lexical analyzer is WAY nicer than the Ocaml version. |
| 08:30.19 | Supaplex | yeah, pure fscking magic |
| 08:33.39 | levi | Indeed, I think I will need a Monad. |
| 08:33.56 | levi | To keep track of the current position in the file. |
| 08:34.23 | levi | But that will require figuring out how to use them. |
| 08:34.47 | levi | Anyway, time to sleep now. |
| 08:41.35 | Supaplex | thank goodness for browser history. my sanity is restored, after figuring out I uploaded the wrong photos. |
| 08:41.51 | Supaplex | well, that and rsync :) |
| 08:54.37 | Sargun | lol |
| 08:59.57 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 09:00.26 | Sargun | nick125, sup |
| 09:00.38 | nick125 | Sargun: Not too much, how about you? |
| 09:01.05 | Sargun | about to sleep |
| 09:01.08 | Sargun | why you awake |
| 09:01.18 | nick125 | no idea |
| 09:02.04 | Lakshmi | hey sargun? |
| 09:03.30 | Sargun | anyways |
| 09:03.32 | Sargun | night all |
| 09:03.47 | nick125 | night Sargun |
| 09:30.12 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
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| 14:58.16 | Sargun | hey all |
| 14:58.18 | Sargun | what's uup? |
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| 15:25.30 | herlo | jsmith: ping |
| 15:25.57 | xbmodder_ | emcnabb, @ work? |
| 15:26.19 | emcnabb | xbmodder_, yes |
| 15:26.27 | xbmodder_ | I thought redhat employees fell into a different pool |
| 15:26.42 | xbmodder_ | I guess its different for every office |
| 15:26.44 | xbmodder_ | (IP wise) |
| 15:26.54 | xbmodder_ | or maybe freenode changed their policies |
| 15:26.56 | emcnabb | herlo, thanks again for dinner last night - it was delicious. I was so full I could barely make it to the car |
| 15:27.11 | herlo | emcnabb: nice :) Glad we had a good time |
| 15:27.13 | emcnabb | xbmodder_, not sure |
| 15:27.33 | herlo | your wife will be happy when you take her there for the next anniversary |
| 15:27.35 | herlo | :) |
| 15:29.56 | jsmith | herlo: Pong |
| 15:36.05 | pelaofeliz | herlo/emcnabb: Where'd you guys eat? |
| 15:36.22 | herlo | pelaofeliz: Second Empire, Raleigh |
| 15:36.31 | emcnabb | herlo, haha, yeah |
| 15:36.38 | xbmodder_ | eryone's first vi session. ^C^C^X^X^X^XquitqQ!qdammit[esc]qwertyuiopasdfghjkl;:xwhat |
| 15:36.38 | xbmodder_ | nanana |
| 15:36.40 | emcnabb | that's our eat out budget for 4 months :-) |
| 15:37.13 | emcnabb | herlo, ^^^ |
| 15:37.14 | herlo | jsmith: I think I figured it out, was going to ask about how to configure xchat, and I may still have questions |
| 15:37.18 | herlo | emcnabb: yeah |
| 15:37.38 | herlo | emcnabb: my budget isn't that high either, but GL takes *good* care of me :) |
| 15:37.53 | xbmodder_ | GuruLabs |
| 15:38.10 | herlo | aye! |
| 15:38.56 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:39.47 | xbmodder_ | Hey, guys as an IRCd architecture what do you think about a upgradable-on-the-fly IRCd? |
| 15:39.53 | xbmodder_ | and how would you guys do it? |
| 15:40.29 | herlo | I wouldn't |
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| 15:44.37 | tensai | I prefer servers which re-read their config after receiving a SIGHUP and then gracefully reload |
| 15:44.48 | tensai | if that's what you mean |
| 15:45.03 | tensai | but I certainly don't intend to run an ircd. that's a disaster waiting to happen. |
| 15:45.12 | jsmith | tensai: Amen, brother! |
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| 15:45.43 | elg | ~hup tensai |
| 15:45.43 | ibot | ACTION executes killall -HUP tensai |
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| 15:48.18 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a long, wet, seductive kiss |
| 15:48.28 | nick125 | sargun_n810: hey |
| 15:48.30 | fozzmoo | oooh yeah. |
| 15:48.50 | sargun_n810 | Well the thing with and ircd is you want upgrades without killing your users who are holding stateful vonnections |
| 15:48.52 | elg | fozzmoo: better check your pockets |
| 15:48.59 | elg | ibot is a known pickpocket |
| 15:49.10 | sargun_n810 | Neither do you want to leave security bugs en |
| 15:49.18 | elg | i have a stateful vonnection |
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| 15:49.30 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a long, wet, seductive kiss |
| 15:50.00 | fozzmoo | I dunno if seductive is appropriate. I mean, by this point, the seduction is complete. :) |
| 15:50.21 | elg | tmi |
| 15:51.56 | elg | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action>gives fozzmoo an inappropriate french+german+russian+african kiss |
| 15:51.56 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 15:52.02 | sargun_n810 | Nick: we should wriite an ircd on crack |
| 15:52.28 | fozzmoo | sargun_n810: I think you should start with "gateway drugs" first. |
| 15:52.38 | nick125 | sargun_n810: what about the uber amazing ontopic bot? |
| 15:52.39 | elg | ircd on tums maybe |
| 15:52.56 | elg | -chat |
| 15:53.06 | elg | ohhhh-kay |
| 15:54.08 | sargun_n810 | A bot |
| 15:54.37 | sargun_n810 | But why not just tie up a human and write 'bot9k' on them |
| 15:54.40 | brac | was the *point* of the older ones are weighed the highest |
| 15:54.57 | nick125 | sargun_n810: haha, but this idea is better. |
| 15:54.58 | *** join/#utah thaddeusq (n=thaddeus@216.49.181.128) |
| 15:55.56 | sargun_n810 | And hand them an irc session in god mode, a knife, a chainsaw, infinite air fares, a pi license, andan irc manual |
| 15:57.33 | sargun_n810 | O.o im afrraid |
| 15:57.53 | sargun_n810 | There is some guy here yyelling complete nonsense |
| 15:58.14 | *** part/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@66.7.122.158) |
| 15:58.48 | sargun_n810 | Like findlay |
| 15:59.35 | sargun_n810 | Ooh. My n810 told me i had an email |
| 16:00.16 | sargun_n810 | ~ping |
| 16:00.17 | ibot | pong |
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| 16:10.22 | ^Migs^ | what's a good reverse IP lookup service? |
| 16:11.32 | nick125 | For what? rdns? |
| 16:11.41 | mrpull | the host command? |
| 16:12.27 | mrpull | ^Migs^: iptools.com is good if you are looking for a web interface |
| 16:12.50 | nick125 | dig can do it too. |
| 16:12.52 | nick125 | dig -x |
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| 16:12.59 | mrpull | host 198.60.22.22 |
| 16:13.43 | mrpull | I use host because I don't have to remember any flags |
| 16:13.51 | mrpull | but dig is more flexible/powerful |
| 16:14.18 | nick125 | You could also look up the in-addr.arpa address too, that doesn't require any flags ;-) |
| 16:14.45 | mrpull | yeah. and reversing the ip is easier too. |
| 16:14.45 | nick125 | Actually, that'd require another argument (PTR) |
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| 16:20.07 | ^Migs^ | I've been doing some fun forensics this morning. |
| 16:20.18 | ^Migs^ | Some kids hacked into another kid's account and sent a threatening email to a bunch of teachers. |
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| 16:21.03 | ^Migs^ | the kid who was hacked was taken into custody this morning, but two other kids confessed. It looks like there's a third one though, as three separate IP addresses logged into the account at the same time last night |
| 16:22.20 | findlay | heh |
| 16:22.49 | mrpull | ^Migs^: seriously threatening or kids being stupid threatening? |
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| 16:24.52 | nick125 | ^Migs^: Maybe the user's ISP assigned a new IP? |
| 16:25.15 | atoponce | unum: more away/available/away/available stuff |
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| 16:33.20 | ^Migs^ | kids being stupid threatening |
| 16:33.28 | ^Migs^ | but it was filled with pretty bad language nonetheless |
| 16:33.40 | ^Migs^ | they're from three different ISPs |
| 16:34.11 | ^Migs^ | Qwest, Comcast, and Verizon |
| 16:34.27 | ^Migs^ | I've identified the Qwest one, and pretty sure about who the Comcast one belongs to. No clue yet about Verizon. |
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| 16:42.05 | nick125 | ^Migs^: Maybe they were proxied? |
| 16:42.19 | Sargun | what was proxied? |
| 16:42.19 | nick125 | Either that, or they "invited" one of their friends. |
| 16:42.54 | ^Migs^ | there were no proxies used |
| 16:43.06 | ^Migs^ | well, I guess it's possible |
| 16:43.09 | ^Migs^ | though not likely |
| 16:43.24 | nick125 | I didn't even think Verizon served Utah, unless it was a wireless address. |
| 16:43.38 | ^Migs^ | that's what I find confusing |
| 16:43.57 | ^Migs^ | so he probably connected through his phone? |
| 16:44.13 | jsmith | Sounds likely |
| 16:44.13 | nick125 | ^Migs^: Is the IP registered to Verizon Communications or Verizon Wireless? |
| 16:44.27 | nick125 | You should be able to tell by the rdns. |
| 16:44.45 | nick125 | VZW addresses come from myvzw.com, while Verizon addresses come from verizon.net. |
| 16:45.00 | ^Migs^ | I'll check |
| 16:45.20 | nick125 | If it's a verizon.net address, it should give an idea to what area the address originates from. |
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| 16:47.46 | ^Migs^ | Verizon Internet Services |
| 16:48.02 | nick125 | ^Migs^: Anything in the rdns? |
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| 16:48.33 | ^Migs^ | pool-141-151-113-135.scr.east.verizon.net So yeah, Verizon.net |
| 16:49.09 | nick125 | Well, you can rule out that the person resided in utah, then. |
| 16:50.02 | Sargun | SIP? |
| 16:50.18 | nick125 | According to the whois, that address might originate from TN, SC or PA. |
| 16:50.22 | Sargun | nick125, not always true, |
| 16:50.37 | Sargun | Sometimes verizon screws up |
| 16:50.41 | Sargun | so does Sprint |
| 16:50.42 | nick125 | Sargun: Well, the IP address didn't originate out of utah. |
| 16:50.56 | nick125 | Sargun: Dude, Verizon Communications doesn't serve Utah. |
| 16:51.05 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I don't understand this |
| 16:51.21 | Sargun | who's IP is that? |
| 16:51.34 | nick125 | So, there are two theories: The user used a proxy, or they had someone else out of state send the messages |
| 16:52.09 | Sargun | VZ-DSLDIAL-SCTNPA-2 |
| 16:52.10 | Sargun | DSL |
| 16:52.12 | Sargun | or Dialup.. |
| 16:52.20 | Sargun | You can have a dial up pool out of state. |
| 16:52.45 | nick125 | That's possible. |
| 16:53.19 | Sargun | Yeah, that's Verizon for sure. |
| 16:53.28 | Sargun | Its likely a proxy |
| 16:53.33 | Sargun | or a dial out of state thing |
| 16:53.45 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking it was someone from out of state. |
| 16:54.05 | ^Migs^ | Here's my reasoning. Apparently the kid who got hacked was one of those who logged in, and there was a second kid who admitted he logged into the account. |
| 16:54.13 | ^Migs^ | The second kid came forward pretty quickly. |
| 16:54.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm wondering if they shared the login information with someone else, like on IRC, or an instant message. |
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| 16:54.48 | Sargun | Your school district got hacked |
| 16:54.49 | ^Migs^ | An out of state kid would have no reason NOT to do something like this. He's detached enough from the situation and location that there'd be no consequences. |
| 16:54.51 | Sargun | hahah |
| 16:55.03 | ^Migs^ | well, kids need to keep their passwords a secret |
| 16:55.05 | Sargun | ^Migs^, I'd file a complaint with the ISP |
| 16:55.07 | nick125 | ^Migs^: What about legal consequences? |
| 16:55.15 | ^Migs^ | in his mind, at least |
| 16:55.24 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: I got a kid expelled and put in to counsling for pulling this kinda crap with me. He was from Canada. |
| 16:55.39 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Kids need to learn their Internet usage has real consequences. |
| 16:55.53 | Sargun | rsimpkins, Schools need to understand free Speech also. |
| 16:55.55 | aesplin | kids need to learn that everything has real consequences |
| 16:56.02 | Sargun | Schools usually have all or nothing policies |
| 16:56.08 | nick125 | aesplin: Threatening messages aren't freedom of speech. |
| 16:56.15 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 16:56.16 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Breaking in to someones account and sending threatning messages to teachers is not freedom dude. |
| 16:56.19 | rsimpkins | :) |
| 16:56.23 | Sargun | rsimpkins, Well, I didn't mean that |
| 16:56.24 | maquis | Sargun: Time, Place, Manner |
| 16:56.30 | aesplin | nick125: well aware of that |
| 16:56.42 | Sargun | but I mean schools bar students against talking about people at school on the web |
| 16:56.51 | Sargun | and describing physically the school |
| 16:56.53 | Sargun | etc. |
| 16:57.00 | maquis | aesplin: long tim no see |
| 16:57.06 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Well, until they become voters that's life. :) |
| 16:57.10 | Sargun | (usually it equals a suspension) |
| 16:57.10 | maquis | aesplin: i think he was attempting to talk to Sargun when he sent that message, btw |
| 16:57.14 | aesplin | ah |
| 16:57.16 | rsimpkins | Sargun: Then if they screw up the go to jail - hopefully. |
| 16:57.31 | aesplin | ideally |
| 16:57.56 | nick125 | yeah, got a bit confused :) |
| 16:58.03 | aesplin | no worries |
| 16:58.08 | rsimpkins | I was expelled for an involvment in a 'free' press school newspaper. |
| 16:58.10 | ^Migs^ | you got to think like a 13 year-old here |
| 16:58.18 | rsimpkins | Well, sorry, suspended - not expelled. |
| 16:58.41 | aesplin | when I was 13 I was well aware that if I pulled some stupid stunt that I'd be in some serious doodoo |
| 16:58.48 | Sargun | I agree threats are bad, but more often than not the spread of information scares a school more |
| 16:58.52 | nick125 | ^Migs^: If I were you, at the moment, I'd get on the phone to Verizon abuse. |
| 16:58.52 | rsimpkins | A bunch of kids got together and put out a really honest paper about the school and some of the issues a few of the teachers had. |
| 16:59.01 | rsimpkins | It wasn't malicious - but we all got suspended. |
| 16:59.14 | Sargun | rsimpkins, That's normal. |
| 16:59.14 | aesplin | that seems to be a little much |
| 16:59.26 | aesplin | but I went to a really small school in a really small town |
| 16:59.27 | nick125 | Then again, they might not be able to help here, especially if it is/was a proxy. |
| 16:59.38 | Sargun | nick125, Confiscate the box? |
| 16:59.46 | Sargun | Schools have a lot of power. |
| 16:59.58 | maquis | sometimes too much |
| 17:00.16 | Sargun | maquis, True, but that's useful to keep kids "controlled" |
| 17:00.18 | maquis | i agree that schools need to not restrict free speech too often |
| 17:00.48 | rsimpkins | The deal with our school backfired. |
| 17:00.51 | maquis | i knew a guy at my school who had completely opposite political views from mine, and was *very* vocal about his views |
| 17:00.56 | rsimpkins | It ended up front page news in the local paper. |
| 17:00.59 | rsimpkins | The paper was on our side. :) |
| 17:01.14 | rsimpkins | So was most of the community. |
| 17:01.14 | Sargun | heh |
| 17:01.16 | Sargun | lucky |
| 17:01.21 | maquis | he pulled a couple of things to get his voice heard, and the school knew it was probably him, but they couldn't prove it |
| 17:01.32 | Sargun | maquis, They don't need to prove anything |
| 17:01.39 | maquis | tried to get me to talk, since they figured i probably knew, and they figured i wouldn't mind getting him in trouble for saying something |
| 17:02.50 | Sargun | Wow. |
| 17:02.55 | Sargun | They actually tried to get proof? |
| 17:02.56 | maquis | when they asked me who helped him put up the big protest sign across the library building, i told them "you have no proof that he was involved at all" |
| 17:03.01 | maquis | Sargun: yes |
| 17:03.17 | ^Migs^ | BREAKING NEWS |
| 17:03.21 | ^Migs^ | haha, j/k |
| 17:03.22 | Sargun | Usually students will be conned into believing there is proof. |
| 17:03.24 | ^Migs^ | a third kid has come forward |
| 17:03.32 | Sargun | ^Migs^, wow.... |
| 17:03.44 | ^Migs^ | he knows something about an email, but is not saying what. His IP resolves to "Electric Lightwave Inc" ? |
| 17:04.13 | maquis | my school didn't have as much power as many. it was a pretty small prep school, and most of the parents (including this kid's parents) are pretty wealthy... the school wasn't about to cross that |
| 17:04.25 | Sargun | Principals usually will use threats like: graduation, "A number of people have come forward and are saying that you did $XYZ," This could hurt your life permanently. |
| 17:04.29 | ^Migs^ | he logged in last night around 5:00, 5 hours before the crime was committed. |
| 17:04.39 | Sargun | 5 AM? |
| 17:04.44 | ^Migs^ | 1700 hours |
| 17:04.44 | Sargun | "You know we could suspend you for many weeks if you do this..." |
| 17:04.47 | Sargun | oh |
| 17:04.57 | ^Migs^ | the crime was committed at 10:02pm |
| 17:05.15 | maquis | plus, the school wanted to continue the charade of being open-minded and encouraging free thought among the student body (this charade was very important to them) |
| 17:05.52 | Sargun | ^Migs^, too early |
| 17:06.04 | Sargun | ^Migs^, If I were the attacker I'd leave behind a few fake attackes |
| 17:06.05 | Sargun | attacks |
| 17:06.14 | ^Migs^ | well, these are jr high kids |
| 17:06.17 | Sargun | Or attacks that would point to someone else. |
| 17:06.18 | ^Migs^ | they don't think ahead like that |
| 17:06.30 | Sargun | And put a bunch of fake logins |
| 17:06.36 | Sargun | Like flood the system with login spam |
| 17:06.42 | nick125 | ^Migs^: So, three people sent the messages? At the same time? |
| 17:06.43 | ^Migs^ | the second kid, immediately after hacking into the account, logged out and logged into his own account |
| 17:06.46 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 17:06.50 | ^Migs^ | only one did, and I'm trying to figure out who |
| 17:07.35 | ^Migs^ | and I'm pretty sure it must've been this Verizon IP |
| 17:07.40 | Sargun | ^Migs^, stupid kids.. |
| 17:08.23 | nick125 | ^Migs^: It sounds more and more like a proxy. |
| 17:08.53 | Sargun | or a dial up account.. |
| 17:08.57 | Sargun | just call the freaking ISP |
| 17:09.02 | Sargun | and use that nice official letter head |
| 17:09.14 | nick125 | The offender went and got the login, checked it on his own machine, then used another machine to actually send the message. |
| 17:10.36 | Sargun | nick125, that's probable. |
| 17:10.40 | ^Migs^ | no, he didn't check it on his own machine |
| 17:10.45 | ^Migs^ | there were only three logins |
| 17:10.46 | Sargun | Has the account been locked down? |
| 17:11.09 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 17:11.13 | maquis | was this a school email account? |
| 17:11.23 | ^Migs^ | no, it was an email sent through our portal |
| 17:12.42 | Sargun | hm... |
| 17:13.00 | ^Migs^ | this third kid logged into his OWN account at 5:00 |
| 17:13.04 | ^Migs^ | but no activity after that |
| 17:13.45 | Sargun | wait, why did he confess? |
| 17:13.59 | ^Migs^ | he hasn't confessed to anything yet. He just knows something about an email, but isn't saying what. |
| 17:14.15 | maquis | maybe he knows who did it, but he's scared to say |
| 17:14.16 | Sargun | ^Migs^, did the e-mail headers say anything fun? |
| 17:14.17 | ^Migs^ | the victim and the second kid have already confessed to logging into the account. Obviously it's not a problem if the victim did. |
| 17:14.25 | ^Migs^ | maquis: I agree |
| 17:14.31 | ^Migs^ | doesn't want to rat out the other person |
| 17:14.37 | Sargun | Likely. |
| 17:14.38 | maquis | i wouldn't be at all surprised if that's the issue... |
| 17:14.50 | ^Migs^ | or maybe he just announced it in some public forum and is embarassed |
| 17:14.57 | Sargun | Maybe he is just trying to get a get out of class free pass? |
| 17:15.07 | ^Migs^ | I can't imagine he'd actually be covering someone who doesn't even live in the same state, though |
| 17:15.13 | ^Migs^ | *covering for |
| 17:15.13 | maquis | the school can get the guilty party into a lot of trouble, but they'll have a harder time protecting the person who ratted him out |
| 17:15.17 | ^Migs^ | well... |
| 17:16.07 | ^Migs^ | this sucks. These kids have pretty good grades. |
| 17:16.17 | Sargun | ^Migs^, Can you give him money? |
| 17:16.24 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 17:16.32 | aesplin | so they have brains but not a heck of a lot of common sense? |
| 17:16.50 | ^Migs^ | except for this third kid |
| 17:16.53 | ^Migs^ | his grades suck, so he's trouble |
| 17:17.00 | maquis | ^Migs^: can you convince him that you will be very careful with the information and work hard to keep his contribution to the investigation quiet? |
| 17:17.08 | ^Migs^ | probably not a fair assumption to make, but it's usually true |
| 17:17.11 | Sargun | ^Migs^, I love how grades = niceness |
| 17:17.15 | Sargun | ^Migs^, I'd say threaten hi,m |
| 17:17.17 | Sargun | him. |
| 17:17.21 | Sargun | Confuse him purposefully |
| 17:17.31 | Sargun | Make him feel like he will be screwed if he doesn't confess. |
| 17:17.34 | ^Migs^ | actually, the victim's grades kind of suck, too |
| 17:17.43 | maquis | i disagrree with Sargun. |
| 17:17.47 | Sargun | and make many references to the "Permanent Record" |
| 17:18.00 | ^Migs^ | it's just the second kid who has good grades. But he's Asian. |
| 17:18.02 | Sargun | maquis, Why? You don't think that's the easiest way to break a kid? |
| 17:18.24 | maquis | Sargun: it might be the easiest way, but i'd argue it's not the most productive |
| 17:18.37 | Sargun | maquis, I don't see any downside. |
| 17:18.47 | maquis | if you've got a kid scared, they might lie just to get out of whatever they're scared of |
| 17:18.53 | ^Migs^ | if an Asian kid gets a B-, that kind of means he's a bad kid, right? |
| 17:19.01 | Sargun | maquis, So, at least the school has someone to blame it on? |
| 17:19.15 | ^Migs^ | I think the rule is you bump up two letter grades |
| 17:19.18 | aesplin | speaking of unfair assumptions... |
| 17:19.29 | maquis | Sargun: i guess i'm kind-of odd |
| 17:19.37 | maquis | i'd rather not get anyone than get the wrong person |
| 17:20.04 | Sargun | maquis, No, your logical. A school's system of "justice" isn't. |
| 17:20.10 | levi | maquis: Hey, that principle sounds kind of familiar. :P |
| 17:20.38 | ^Migs^ | okay, more BREAKING NEWS |
| 17:20.45 | maquis | yes? |
| 17:20.57 | ^Migs^ | the kids play an online game with a kid from out of state. They don't know his name but we're trying to get his screen name and which game, and which IM service they use |
| 17:21.09 | maquis | all 3? |
| 17:21.11 | ^Migs^ | they're going to need to subpoena Verizon |
| 17:21.12 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 17:21.14 | levi | Did you guys hear about the junior high kids that were sending cell phone pictures of their own genitals to each other? The news was talking about felony charges. :P |
| 17:21.24 | aesplin | yeah |
| 17:21.41 | Sargun | ^Migs^, yeah.. |
| 17:21.44 | aesplin | I hope they get busted too |
| 17:21.48 | Sargun | levi, Hahahahahaahhahaahahha |
| 17:21.53 | Sargun | levi, I find that funny. |
| 17:21.55 | maquis | urgh... kinds are *stupid* |
| 17:22.02 | Sargun | maquis, Yup, we are. |
| 17:22.22 | Sargun | but remember ya'll were kids at some point too. |
| 17:22.22 | maquis | s/kinds/kids/ |
| 17:22.23 | levi | Clearly a bad idea, but a felony offense? That's a bit out-of-proportion. |
| 17:22.33 | maquis | Sargun: sure, but i wasn't stupid like that |
| 17:22.37 | Sargun | Well, except Jayce^, he was never a kid... |
| 17:22.41 | aesplin | yeah, they were also talking about a pretty heavy misdemeanor instead |
| 17:22.42 | levi | I mean, "Show me yours and I'll show you mine" is not all that uncommon. |
| 17:22.55 | Sargun | levi, True... |
| 17:23.03 | Sargun | levi, The whole genitals thing happens a lot. |
| 17:23.04 | aesplin | doesn't make it any smarter |
| 17:23.28 | Sargun | Of general surveys I'd say at least 40% of the time when someone initiates it happens. |
| 17:23.39 | aesplin | when I was that age the only thing most people at my school got in trouble for was fighting |
| 17:23.42 | levi | aesplin: Kids are prone to doing dumb things occasionally. Charging them with a felony for something that trivial is insane. |
| 17:23.49 | aesplin | true |
| 17:23.50 | Sargun | You're talking about a bunch of kids with more hormones in their blood stream than oxygen! |
| 17:24.20 | aesplin | and generally not a lot of past experiences with consequences for their poor decision-making paradigms |
| 17:24.24 | Jayce^ | hrm, time to kick Sargun :) |
| 17:24.28 | levi | aesplin: Exactly. |
| 17:24.53 | maquis | at my school, kids got in trouble primarily for... uh... hmmm... |
| 17:24.56 | Jayce^ | serves them right for having cell phones at school.. :) |
| 17:25.02 | aesplin | levi: I don't think they should necessarily get felony charges, but there has to be consequences at some point. |
| 17:25.07 | Jayce^ | maquis, aren't you still in school :-p |
| 17:25.11 | maquis | nobody i knew ever got suspended or expelled |
| 17:25.13 | maquis | Jayce^: nope |
| 17:25.19 | levi | aesplin: They should get their cell phones taken away by their parents. |
| 17:25.25 | maquis | still the "young'un" around work, but i'm not in school anymore |
| 17:25.36 | Jayce^ | levi, that would involve parental responsibility... like that'll happen |
| 17:25.37 | levi | aesplin: And get grounded. |
| 17:26.10 | ^Migs^ | okay, the game these kids play is just Runescape. The kid from the east coast is Joey_Godzilla |
| 17:26.21 | maquis | i don't think i actually remember *anyone* at my high school getting into trouble |
| 17:26.21 | levi | Jayce^: Well, that's the ideal way to handle it. If the school is going to do something, it should be limited to detention and confiscating the phones. |
| 17:26.27 | Jayce^ | hrm, Steve "Please, do my contract for me..." |
| 17:26.45 | levi | Steve never ceases to amaze me. |
| 17:26.56 | Jayce^ | levi, agreed.. I totally believe the parents should handle it.. I'm just mocking at the expectations of it happening today |
| 17:27.01 | aesplin | levi: seriously, what are 13-year-olds doing with cell phones in school anyway |
| 17:27.11 | Sargun | ^Migs^, premium account? |
| 17:27.26 | levi | aesplin: They're texting one another. |
| 17:27.29 | Sargun | The guys who run runescape are painful to subpoena |
| 17:27.31 | aesplin | of course |
| 17:27.35 | Sargun | Javascape or something. |
| 17:27.40 | levi | But, yeah, they shouldn't have cell phones. |
| 17:27.44 | Sargun | aesplin, calling their parents? |
| 17:27.46 | Sargun | levi, why not? |
| 17:27.53 | levi | The "for emergency use" excuse is totally bogus. |
| 17:28.04 | levi | Sargun: Because they're an extreme distraction. |
| 17:28.05 | aesplin | because they should be, oh I don't know, paying attention in class? |
| 17:28.27 | aesplin | if there's an emergency the school has phones to notify the parents |
| 17:28.40 | ^Migs^ | they might not even need to contact Verizon, unless he used a fake name to register for Runescape |
| 17:28.58 | Sargun | ^Migs^, Usually people use fake names. and ages |
| 17:29.01 | Sargun | I'd hit up verizon |
| 17:29.08 | ^Migs^ | but think 14 year-old |
| 17:29.18 | Sargun | My friend's little brother does. |
| 17:29.20 | ^Migs^ | I guess they probably would, too |
| 17:29.29 | ^Migs^ | yeah, their older brothers tell them to use fake names, so they do |
| 17:29.43 | Sargun | no |
| 17:29.44 | Jayce^ | levi, I can see the emergency use nowadays, but that's just it, a phone only, without all the fancy stuff, and a way to force limit |
| 17:29.53 | Sargun | their older brothers tell them not to use runescape |
| 17:30.05 | levi | Jayce^: What's different nowadays that justifies the phone? |
| 17:30.12 | Jayce^ | I want remote parental controls for my kids phones (way in the future when I allow them) |
| 17:30.31 | Jayce^ | levi, loss of pay phones.. growing up I had to use them plenty to get ahold of parents.. |
| 17:30.41 | aesplin | at school? |
| 17:30.44 | Jayce^ | heck, get one with a gps locater too, I want to follow the kid |
| 17:30.46 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 17:30.55 | levi | I never had to use a pay phone at school. |
| 17:31.02 | Jayce^ | I was in a small town, lived out of town.. |
| 17:31.27 | *** part/#utah bonez39 (n=scott@75.144.9.237) |
| 17:31.30 | Jayce^ | oh I did, practice is over come get me, I gotta go to the hospital again (yes, I was a frequent guest) |
| 17:31.33 | thaddeusq | levi: I had to use a pay phone at school. |
| 17:31.39 | aesplin | I was in a super small town, and if anything happened at school that my parents needed to know about (I broke my nose once) the school had a phone |
| 17:31.56 | Jayce^ | sure, during main hours we could use the office phone for the hospital, but after hours no |
| 17:32.00 | aesplin | ah |
| 17:32.09 | aesplin | our school had a "courtesy phone" |
| 17:32.13 | aesplin | in the hall |
| 17:32.18 | levi | Well, in some situations it could be convenient. But I'd only give my kid a cell phone if it was a pay-as-you-go phone and I trusted the kid to be responsible with it. |
| 17:32.20 | Jayce^ | track, cross country (way away from the school directly), drama |
| 17:32.28 | Jayce^ | levi, right.. |
| 17:32.33 | aesplin | ditto |
| 17:32.34 | Jayce^ | none of the fancy stuff.. |
| 17:32.38 | levi | Jayce^: A lot of that stuff is outside of regular school hours, though. |
| 17:32.53 | levi | My objection to kids having phones is lesser in that case. |
| 17:33.11 | Jayce^ | that's my point, I can see the use of an emergency phone, where I had to use the pay phone (which don't exist much anymore) |
| 17:33.25 | Sargun | aesplin, at mine we weren't allowed to use the phone unless we paid money |
| 17:33.46 | Jayce^ | hehe, church basketball (we didn't have a regular phone at the church building because of prior abuse).. |
| 17:33.53 | levi | I'm sure schools don't want kids to have cell phones, though, and so they'll provide some way for kids to make calls. |
| 17:34.01 | aesplin | I can agree with your point, but in most cases I still say kids don't need cell phones |
| 17:34.04 | Jayce^ | I had to go find the nearest phone a few times (not close) |
| 17:34.14 | aesplin | _especially_ camera phones with text plans |
| 17:34.15 | Jayce^ | agreed also |
| 17:34.25 | Sargun | Be back soon -- Rebuild arrays |
| 17:35.02 | Kemotaha | wait Jayce^ had to go to the emergency room after drama practice? |
| 17:35.03 | Jayce^ | I'd nto mind one of the piggyback type plans (share minutes text, etc with the family) as long as I could do stuff such as say during school hours it can only contact phones in the family |
| 17:35.03 | levi | I believe there are cell phones designed for kids that have parental oversight features, but I don't recall any details. |
| 17:35.11 | Jayce^ | Kemotaha, if you only knew :) |
| 17:35.22 | Jayce^ | actually, broke a guys nose at drama once :) |
| 17:35.22 | aesplin | This is kind of a soap-box/pet peeve of mine, but the whole lack of consequences thing is a serious issue |
| 17:35.42 | Jayce^ | aesplin absolutely, share the same box |
| 17:36.03 | aesplin | I broke my nose at b-ball practice once, and separated 3 ribs from my sternum at wrestling practice once... The list is long and distinguished |
| 17:36.57 | aesplin | but I knew for sure that if I did anything my dad would consider "bone-headed" or stupid, I was in for it |
| 17:37.36 | aesplin | I flipped off a teacher behind his back once, but got caught by another teacher, and spent the whole summer grounded to our orchard until I had dug out every clump of orchard grass. |
| 17:37.55 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 17:38.11 | aesplin | I broke 3 shovel handles and didn't get in trouble at school for the next 3 years. |
| 17:38.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 17:38.59 | levi | Wouldn't it be nice if more parents were like that? |
| 17:39.20 | aesplin | seriously |
| 17:39.40 | maquis | i get the impression that aesplin wasn't thinking that at the time, though |
| 17:39.56 | aesplin | yeah, but I thought after that |
| 17:41.58 | aesplin | there's something about losing all freedom for 2 and a half months that makes you think about your actions |
| 17:42.13 | Sargun | I hate this crappy array |
| 17:42.28 | Sargun | I want to kill it. |
| 17:42.57 | aesplin | well, have fun with that... |
| 17:43.00 | aesplin | :p |
| 17:43.35 | aesplin | ^Migs^: keep us posted, I have to go to class for a while but I'm curious as to how this will all play out |
| 17:45.20 | Sargun | I WANT TO KILL THIS THING |
| 17:45.31 | Sargun | ok.. |
| 17:45.47 | Sargun | Maybe I can convince the IT guy to let me kill it |
| 17:47.30 | ^Migs^ | will do, aesplin |
| 17:48.21 | ^Migs^ | so from the reverse DNS, how would I find out exactly which states it could have come from? |
| 17:48.36 | ^Migs^ | not quite sure how to do that |
| 17:49.28 | nick125 | ^Migs^: Which one? |
| 17:49.36 | nick125 | Which IP? |
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| 17:49.42 | nick125 | it really depends on the ISP |
| 17:50.47 | ^Migs^ | the Verizon |
| 17:50.51 | Sargun | ^Migs^, no way really |
| 17:50.53 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 17:51.27 | ^Migs^ | I was afraid of that |
| 17:52.11 | Sargun | lol |
| 17:52.14 | Sargun | Hit up Verizon |
| 17:53.22 | jfarnsworth | ^Migs^, traceroute? |
| 17:54.20 | jfarnsworth | might get you a locality at least |
| 18:03.45 | nick125 | ^Migs^: It's a three state area from the whois info. |
| 18:03.53 | nick125 | NetName: VZ-DSLDIAL-SCTNPA-2 |
| 18:04.35 | ^Migs^ | is that at least 99% accurate? |
| 18:04.50 | nick125 | I'm guessing the SCTNPA part stands for South Carolina, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania. |
| 18:05.06 | nick125 | Well, like Sargun brought up earlier, it's also a dialup pool (from the looks of it). |
| 18:05.11 | ^Migs^ | probably |
| 18:05.17 | levi | Cool, Power-over-SATA. |
| 18:05.17 | ^Migs^ | DSLDIAL? |
| 18:05.54 | nick125 | ^Migs^: That could either mean that it's DSL/Dialup or that it's the PPPoE pool for DSL. |
| 18:07.02 | nick125 | the first part of the reverse DNS could give a city. |
| 18:07.03 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 18:07.15 | ^Migs^ | scranton, pa? |
| 18:07.48 | jfarnsworth | something like: http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/index.php/tools-visual-traceroute will map it via google maps |
| 18:08.13 | ^Migs^ | you know what I think it does stand for Scranton, PA |
| 18:09.46 | nick125 | I wonder if VZ is the ILEC in Scranton. |
| 18:12.33 | Sargun | nick125, poke. |
| 18:13.01 | Sargun | ^Migs^, doubt it. |
| 18:13.19 | nick125 | Yeah, it looks like VZ is the ILEC in Scranton. |
| 18:13.22 | nick125 | Sargun: hi |
| 18:13.26 | Sargun | hi |
| 18:14.52 | ^Migs^ | yup, he's in PA |
| 18:15.05 | *** part/#utah sargun_n811 (n=user@66.151.148.225) |
| 18:15.14 | Sargun | You already subpoenad him? |
| 18:15.44 | ^Migs^ | no, just did the traceroute |
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| 18:16.04 | nick125 | Remember, the DHCP lease could've expired. |
| 18:16.05 | Sargun | o.O |
| 18:16.09 | Sargun | yeah |
| 18:16.13 | nick125 | and been reassigned to someone else. |
| 18:16.17 | Sargun | or they can change routing tables in the IGp. |
| 18:16.29 | Sargun | Where is their border router that you're handing off to? |
| 18:16.44 | Sargun | It's announced as Scranton, PA |
| 18:16.45 | Sargun | er |
| 18:16.47 | Sargun | 141.151.96.0/19 |
| 18:16.55 | Sargun | I doubt the Scranton PA area has a /19 |
| 18:17.08 | Sargun | Their IGP is probbably splittin it |
| 18:17.34 | ^Migs^ | Beach Haven is about 45 miles from Scranton |
| 18:17.40 | nick125 | And remember, some ISPs will "borrow" from other pools, without changing the RDNS. |
| 18:17.41 | Sargun | err |
| 18:17.43 | Sargun | 141.151.112.0/21, 141.151.120.0/22, 141.151.124.0/23, 141.151.126.0/24 |
| 18:17.44 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 18:17.51 | nick125 | Sargun: That's for a three state area. |
| 18:17.58 | ^Migs^ | this is the IP: 141.151.113.135 |
| 18:20.43 | Sargun | yeah |
| 18:20.45 | Sargun | I know |
| 18:20.58 | Sargun | nick125, Its announced as a /19 on their EGP |
| 18:21.06 | Sargun | I don't know how large on their IGP |
| 18:21.14 | Sargun | probably the /21 in their IGP |
| 18:21.38 | Sargun | a /21 is only 2000 IPs |
| 18:21.45 | Sargun | Maybe its just for a small area of PA? |
| 18:21.54 | Sargun | but they might not update WHOIS |
| 18:22.00 | Sargun | and it might fall under the dial in pool? |
| 18:26.39 | ^Migs^ | cops will just need to request Verizon's logs anyway |
| 18:26.53 | ^Migs^ | it's a federal crime now |
| 18:27.12 | ^Migs^ | Joey_Godzilla is screwed |
| 18:29.11 | ^Migs^ | it would just be cool if there were a way I could figure out exactly who did it and where he lives before the police did. |
| 18:29.25 | Sargun | why? |
| 18:29.26 | ^Migs^ | wouldn't that be awesome? Total geek cred. |
| 18:29.31 | Sargun | what was the threat |
| 18:29.38 | ^Migs^ | this is a FEDERAL CRIME |
| 18:29.46 | Sargun | ^Migs^, I've found interstate crimes very difficult to prosecute |
| 18:29.52 | Sargun | nick125 and I both know this... |
| 18:30.00 | Sargun | Well, ours were intercountry. |
| 18:30.04 | Sargun | but anyways |
| 18:31.13 | nick125 | Sargun: Those were international crimes. |
| 18:32.26 | ^Migs^ | I don't think "intercountry" is a word. |
| 18:34.08 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:34.16 | Sargun | nick125, Remember we had the florida guy? |
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| 18:38.54 | nick125 | Sargun: Which one? |
| 18:39.05 | nick125 | Sargun: PM :p |
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| 18:42.04 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:50.28 | ^Migs^ | there aren't any web-based backtracers, are there? |
| 18:51.28 | tensai | ^Migs^: geolocation is not an exact science. only the ISP knows for sure where an IP address is. |
| 18:52.00 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I know |
| 18:52.07 | ^Migs^ | still might be fun to try |
| 18:52.37 | ^Migs^ | I'm recalling the guy who pwned the WoW scammer by backtracing his info and calling his house |
| 18:53.57 | nick125 | ^Migs^: But, in that case, they might have gotten the information from Paypal. |
| 18:54.20 | ^Migs^ | probably |
| 18:54.27 | ^Migs^ | don't remember exactly what he said he used |
| 18:54.38 | ^Migs^ | he did it pretty quickly though, during their conversation in fact |
| 18:54.51 | ^Migs^ | it'd be cool to be a P.I. I think |
| 18:55.07 | Sargun | It would be |
| 18:55.08 | nick125 | We should become a P.I agency. |
| 18:55.13 | ^Migs^ | yes we should |
| 18:55.21 | Sargun | Geeks are good at this. |
| 18:55.31 | Sargun | If I had some cash I wouldn't mind |
| 18:55.33 | ^Migs^ | it could just be a home business |
| 18:55.38 | Sargun | tracking down a couple people |
| 18:55.40 | ^Migs^ | you don't need a lot of cash |
| 18:55.43 | Sargun | Well, I mean a PI license |
| 18:55.46 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 18:55.51 | Sargun | and then you could use nifty phone tracers |
| 18:55.53 | ^Migs^ | what do you need to do for a PI license? |
| 18:56.01 | ^Migs^ | oo, that'd be awesome |
| 18:56.08 | Sargun | I think you need to prove your sane? |
| 18:56.15 | Sargun | I've played with "tracers" |
| 18:56.15 | ^Migs^ | might be a little dangerous |
| 18:56.25 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:56.29 | ^Migs^ | but if I ran a home business, this would be it |
| 18:57.15 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTxHJMM6hHE |
| 18:57.41 | nick125 | $200 fee. |
| 18:57.58 | nick125 | Plus $75 for a manager, $35 per employee and $50 for a branch office. hm. |
| 18:59.01 | nick125 | plus you have to take a written exam and have three years experience in investigative work. ouch. |
| 18:59.33 | nick125 | maybe we should play junior detectives instead. |
| 18:59.36 | ^Migs^ | how do you get experience unless you're a PI in the first place? |
| 18:59.44 | ^Migs^ | could you apprentice for a PI? |
| 19:02.49 | Sargun | heh |
| 19:02.51 | Sargun | yeah |
| 19:06.45 | Sargun | fuck |
| 19:06.47 | Sargun | er |
| 19:06.49 | Sargun | oops |
| 19:10.01 | thaddeusq | ^Migs^: I think Sargun sent the e-mail filled with obscene language. :) |
| 19:10.55 | thaddeusq | ~language Sargun |
| 19:10.55 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 19:11.53 | Sargun | heh |
| 19:12.17 | Sargun | I just get uh, yelled at by a senior manager for upgrading their team's disks... |
| 19:13.17 | nick125 | For some reason, it keeps losing 1X signal. |
| 19:13.35 | nick125 | It's also not ringing in, etc. |
| 19:19.40 | Sargun | heh, apparently it hit markl__ |
| 19:20.57 | nick125 | haha |
| 19:32.24 | Sargun | Oh, crap |
| 19:32.27 | Sargun | Manager in coming |
| 19:32.27 | Sargun | HIDE! |
| 19:38.43 | Sargun | ok |
| 19:38.44 | Sargun | back |
| 19:38.46 | Sargun | what's up all? |
| 19:38.51 | nick125 | Sargun: What happened? :p |
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| 19:43.47 | Lakshmi | hi sargun |
| 19:43.59 | Sargun | God, UML is sexy |
| 19:44.19 | Sargun | nick125, I just took down 10 TB of drives for a good chunk of the morning before we have to release the data on them.. |
| 19:46.13 | findlay | ~language Sargun |
| 19:46.14 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 19:46.19 | findlay | ugh, UML? |
| 19:46.37 | findlay | Sargun+UML? What is the world coming to? |
| 19:46.40 | jsmith | Which UML? |
| 19:46.41 | nick125 | Sargun: So what do you think of my uber ontopic bot? |
| 19:46.51 | Sargun | uh |
| 19:46.54 | nick125 | Like robot9000+crack. |
| 19:47.06 | Sargun | findlay, Language..... O.O? |
| 19:47.23 | findlay | Sargun: mostly python and perl |
| 19:48.37 | findlay | what r ur lang? |
| 19:49.24 | Sargun | python |
| 19:49.29 | Sargun | hm. |
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| 19:59.59 | findlay | http://captainwonderfulpromotions.com/ |
| 20:00.13 | findlay | what do you think? |
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| 20:06.11 | beandog | findlay, needs more moobs |
| 20:06.25 | beandog | that's my new tagline |
| 20:06.42 | findlay | what's that? |
| 20:07.19 | beandog | moobs? man boobs |
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| 20:39.48 | Sargun | hi |
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| 20:39.49 | brac | echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway |
| 20:40.08 | Supaplex | yay I'm back. |
| 20:40.35 | Jayce^ | man, that was almost deserving of a quick kick :) |
| 20:46.57 | Supaplex | w00t?! |
| 20:48.32 | Supaplex | ~onjoin #utah Supaplex http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
| 20:48.32 | ibot | ok, Supaplex |
| 20:48.35 | brac | [Supaplex Download and Install] |
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| 20:51.36 | bonez44 | what effect with MySQL's acquisition have? any impact on open source usage? |
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| 20:52.53 | Supaplex | more people will use Pg, just because? |
| 20:54.42 | bonez44 | will more people use Pg instead of MySQL? |
| 20:55.18 | Sargun | uh? |
| 20:55.27 | findlay | hu? |
| 20:58.54 | findlay | Supaplex: the controversy |
| 20:59.00 | findlay | :-) |
| 20:59.32 | ^Migs^ | cool: zamzar.com |
| 20:59.36 | ^Migs^ | convert any file to any file |
| 21:08.43 | Sargun | uh |
| 21:08.44 | Sargun | neato |
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| 21:16.06 | findlay | redbeard2: do you konw any good places to eat in Orem? |
| 21:20.23 | redbeard2 | findlay: you can never go wrong with subway, right Jayce^? |
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| 21:20.38 | redbeard2 | findlay: what kinds of places are you looking for? |
| 21:22.17 | Supaplex | findlay: wienerschnitzel! |
| 21:22.18 | Sargun | That's what happens when you become old, and senile. |
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| 21:23.33 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: did you hear that? you're SENILE! don't worry, i'll remind you when you forget again. |
| 21:23.49 | Supaplex | redbeard2: I think he forgot already. ;) |
| 21:24.28 | levi | Gah, stupid buildroot. |
| 21:25.47 | redbeard2 | why do my students have to take me literally when i tell them they can stay late if they want? |
| 21:26.42 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, because I told them too, just to annoy you |
| 21:26.56 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: you remembered how to do that? |
| 21:27.08 | Jayce^ | some things are just instinct |
| 21:27.18 | Jayce^ | you old fart |
| 21:32.28 | Sargun | ^Migs^, hey |
| 21:36.51 | Jayce^ | you know, I'm starting to want to help steve find a job, just to limit the time he can post.... |
| 21:38.41 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: which steve? dibb? |
| 21:38.46 | Jayce^ | morrey |
| 21:38.58 | Jayce^ | beandog (dibb) has a job iirc |
| 21:39.09 | redbeard2 | smorrey doesn't? |
| 21:40.51 | tensai | ~Jayce^++ |
| 21:41.16 | redbeard2 | when i look at rpm -qp --dump on an rpm, it shows most of the files having a mode of 0100644. i assume 0644 is a regular file permission, as with chmod, but what are the other digits for? |
| 21:41.40 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, no |
| 21:41.56 | levi | Microsoft binary formats do not seem in any way analogous to ponies, as far as I can see. |
| 21:42.30 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: what is the mode column for then? |
| 21:42.52 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, was answering your other question.. |
| 21:43.06 | Jayce^ | but aren't the others related to se? |
| 21:43.07 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: oh. lo siento. |
| 21:43.30 | redbeard2 | hmm. that would make sense to me. but what would they actually correspond to? |
| 21:44.11 | Jayce^ | ooh, tensai vs elg... fight fight |
| 21:44.33 | nick125 | elg: That'd probably be the easiest way to debug it :-) |
| 21:45.04 | Jayce^ | *brutality* |
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| 21:53.50 | levi | So, writing haskell code is lots of fun. |
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| 22:02.01 | ^Migs^ | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1028179 |
| 22:05.37 | synic | levi: is that sarcasm, or is it actually fun? |
| 22:05.53 | Jayce^ | levi + haskell, it's gotta be really 'fun' |
| 22:06.03 | Jayce^ | my brain hurt when I tried it :-p |
| 22:07.26 | findlay | ~lart gnome for crapifying my bitmap fonts |
| 22:07.26 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps gnome for crapifying my bitmap fonts |
| 22:13.57 | tensai | jsmith: major outage in jackson. something to do with silverstar fiber. details are still sketchy. |
| 22:14.06 | tensai | jsmith: but apparently voice traffic is all hosed too |
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| 22:19.18 | bsdice | Good day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc |
| 22:19.26 | bsdice | is this the norm in utah |
| 22:19.29 | bsdice | or the US |
| 22:19.45 | tensai | I got tasered twice this morning. we like it. |
| 22:20.14 | bsdice | yes |
| 22:20.16 | tensai | Jayce^: the guy who got tasered by cops for speeding. we had a big discussion about it a few weeks ago. |
| 22:20.17 | bsdice | drive by |
| 22:20.21 | Jayce^ | ah.. |
| 22:20.29 | bsdice | I missed the discussion |
| 22:20.33 | bsdice | sorry about that |
| 22:20.34 | tensai | ~logs |
| 22:20.35 | ibot | from memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 22:21.02 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.12 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.25 | bsdice | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.00 | bsdice | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.10 | bsdice | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.44 | Jayce^ | looks like it got reviewed .. dunno |
| 22:24.46 | jfarnsworth | he was told he acted appropriately but took a class |
| 22:24.57 | thaddeusq | bsdice: cop is back on the job. Had to attend verbal communication training. Suspect plead guilty to speeding. |
| 22:25.55 | bsdice | in germany we do not have tasers |
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| 22:26.22 | Jayce^ | actually, they do |
| 22:27.15 | Jayce^ | here they can be used as an alternative to chem sprays, and most deptartments require that you get hit with one before you can carry it |
| 22:28.23 | Jayce^ | heh, first time I'd seen that... guy is just a bit argumentative :) |
| 22:30.48 | bsdice | no police in germany has tasers |
| 22:30.51 | bsdice | the have guns |
| 22:31.00 | bsdice | maybe sprays but no tasers |
| 22:34.08 | tensai | http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1203/p99s01-duts.html claims that germany is either considering or has bought tasers |
| 22:35.13 | Jayce^ | some tasers are manufactured there too.. I know the military police have carried them there.. |
| 22:35.21 | Jayce^ | just whether regular cops do.. |
| 22:35.55 | Jayce^ | but then, if they carry chemo ones, not a big difference, just tasers become the popular media scream since "Don't taze me bro" became the meme |
| 22:37.19 | tensai | the concensus of our previous discussion is that tasers are a good alternative to deadly force (guns, nukes, etc.) but are not a general purpose tool for whenever a cop gets pissed |
| 22:37.41 | bsdice | tensai considered yes but not bought |
| 22:40.14 | Jayce^ | tasers and chem are good non-lethal tools, both have pros and cons... |
| 22:41.02 | tensai | ~taser Jayce^ |
| 22:41.03 | ibot | ACTION stuns Jayce^ with a taser, then drags Jayce^ out into the middle of highway 666 |
| 22:41.20 | Jayce^ | we've had UHP guys get killed in situations that "look" like that (second person also gets out of the car, jumps the cop) so I could see him feeling the situation is escalating.. Still think he could handle it more physically first though |
| 22:41.34 | Jayce^ | the guy was an idiot though |
| 22:42.42 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.26 | Jayce^ | refusal to sign, leaving the vehicle, etc.. all very bad ideas :) |
| 22:43.45 | bsdice | yes |
| 22:43.50 | bsdice | yes yes yes |
| 22:47.33 | Jayce^ | ooh, just noticed, as he's walking away from the cop, he puts his hands in his pocket... that'll trigger a cops alert button :) |
| 22:47.40 | tensai | Jayce^: in fairness, the cop told him to leave the vehicle |
| 22:47.56 | Jayce^ | right, but wandering is different :) |
| 22:48.22 | findlay | Tene: what do you want? |
| 22:48.54 | thaddeusq | Jayce^: his hand was in his pocket from the time he left the vehicle. If the cop was really concerned about his safety, why did he turn his back on him when setting the ticket book on the front bumper? |
| 22:48.58 | bsdice | the cop will not be promoted in quite a whil |
| 22:49.02 | bsdice | e |
| 22:49.46 | elg | he was an idiot. the pocket esp. but otoh he wasn't necessarily acting as a threat and the cop could have and should have used alternative lesser force than a taser |
| 22:49.59 | Jayce^ | yup.. |
| 22:50.11 | Jayce^ | absolutely |
| 22:50.33 | bsdice | I want a power taser |
| 22:50.38 | elg | go buy one |
| 22:50.41 | bsdice | looks like it is fun to use ut |
| 22:50.46 | elg | use it on the first grandma you see |
| 22:50.51 | elg | tell us how that goes |
| 22:51.06 | bsdice | nah |
| 22:51.17 | findlay | Tene: anything interesting? |
| 22:51.19 | bsdice | you know what is funny |
| 22:51.21 | thaddeusq | elg: In Germany, that could be deadly. |
| 22:51.21 | bsdice | you keep logs |
| 22:51.29 | bsdice | if I say "I like to taser cats" |
| 22:51.35 | bsdice | and if cats died in my neighborhood |
| 22:51.40 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.46 | bsdice | it might work to have me caught |
| 22:51.53 | bsdice | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.56 | findlay | I log everything everyone thinks |
| 22:51.59 | thaddeusq | ~echelon fodder |
| 22:52.00 | ibot | it has been said that echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway |
| 22:52.12 | bsdice | that does not work |
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| 22:52.42 | bsdice | you realize enemies of your state speak arab? |
| 22:52.58 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.09 | bsdice | in china they eat dogs |
| 22:53.17 | bsdice | in germany it is offensive behavior |
| 22:53.38 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.46 | bsdice | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.54 | findlay | I don't even eat anything |
| 22:54.01 | bsdice | how that works |
| 22:54.04 | bsdice | you dead |
| 22:54.12 | findlay | especially ramen |
| 22:54.28 | bsdice | leave your noodle out of this please |
| 22:54.32 | findlay | I'm showing Big Food that they don't have to control my life |
| 22:58.07 | elg | bsdice: you aren't fooling anyone by obfuscating your swear words |
| 22:59.03 | levi | Hmm, ftp.gnu.org is down. |
| 22:59.12 | bsdice | thank your god |
| 22:59.29 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 22:59.35 | bsdice | elg nothing is bfsctd |
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| 22:59.35 | *** kick/#utah [bsdice!n=fugalh@216.31.27.110] by elg (you're welcome) |
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| 23:00.00 | bsdice | I left the channel |
| 23:00.05 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, up to 3 now? |
| 23:00.14 | bsdice | but I did not hit X? |
| 23:00.35 | elg | redbeard got another beard? |
| 23:00.36 | levi | bsdice: You were kicked by elg. |
| 23:00.51 | Jayce^ | elg, with the cold, I guess he's layering |
| 23:01.33 | elg | i need some questions for homework after 2 lectures worth of C Programming |
| 23:01.39 | elg | for nonprogrammers |
| 23:01.50 | elg | first lecture of course mostly logistics |
| 23:01.55 | bsdice | I forgot this is #utah |
| 23:02.01 | elg | herlo: oh? what a traitor |
| 23:02.08 | levi | Ask them to interpret crazy pointer declarations. |
| 23:02.14 | herlo | elg, its very strange to look at sjansen that way |
| 23:02.21 | levi | Then say 'just kidding' and give them some real questions. |
| 23:02.23 | herlo | I want the old sjansen back :( |
| 23:02.41 | elg | well technically sans beard /is/ the old sjansen :) |
| 23:02.48 | elg | but I like the new old sjansen |
| 23:03.01 | elg | such a nice beard should never be hidden (after BYU anyhow) |
| 23:04.30 | elg | levi: I think I'll ask them what static means in a function prototype |
| 23:05.16 | findlay | it means your code is shocking |
| 23:05.17 | levi | And how it differs from static in a local variable declaration. |
| 23:06.05 | levi | static is definitely an evil C keyword. |
| 23:06.37 | elg | bsdice: my comment was a gentle reminder. your smart-aleck remark is what got you kicked, mostly because it was too funny not to |
| 23:07.00 | elg | still, if you're gonna swear, swear. If you're gonna not swear, not swear. |
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| 23:09.39 | elg | "Under what circumstances will a computer think for itself?" |
| 23:09.50 | herlo | if its Jane |
| 23:11.34 | thaddeusq | herlo: sjansen really shaved the beard? |
| 23:13.43 | levi | elg: When the computer is actually a person? |
| 23:14.03 | levi | (speaking of the job title in the pre-electronic computer days) |
| 23:15.15 | *** part/#utah bsdice (i=bsdice@DSL01.83.171.159.143.ip-pool.NEFkom.net) |
| 23:15.24 | levi | "What does: int foo[] = {1, 2, 3, 4}; return 3[foo]; do?" |
| 23:16.45 | levi | "How many bits are in a C int?" |
| 23:17.14 | elg | :) |
| 23:17.22 | elg | 3[foo]? |
| 23:17.38 | levi | 3[foo] is equivalent to foo[3] |
| 23:17.53 | elg | oh yeah? |
| 23:19.25 | levi | x[y] -> *(x + y) |
| 23:20.22 | levi | Arrays, like so many other things in C, only barely exist. |
| 23:21.00 | elg | fascinating |
| 23:21.10 | elg | i knew the two were semantically equivalent |
| 23:21.18 | levi | C, how do I hate thee? Let me count the ways... |
| 23:21.19 | elg | but didn't realize they were syntactically equivalent |
| 23:23.45 | levi | Kernighan and Ritchie were evil geniuses. |
| 23:26.04 | Sargun | what does || do in bash? |
| 23:26.05 | findlay | steve sure likes to start plug threads :) |
| 23:26.20 | levi | "What does the , operator do in C?" |
| 23:29.01 | tensai | Sargun: conditional |
| 23:29.16 | herlo1 | hi |
| 23:29.29 | herlo1 | ~say hello |
| 23:29.29 | ibot | hello |
| 23:30.08 | levi | Sargun: Same thing it usually does, but since it's short-circuiting, it will only evaluate the left-hand operand if it evaluates to true. |
| 23:30.26 | levi | At least, if I remember correctly. I was never really a bash expert. |
| 23:32.14 | Sargun | yeah |
| 23:32.17 | Sargun | hm... |
| 23:32.43 | Sargun | What's a good make engine for a custom language? |
| 23:33.11 | levi | Could you elaborate? |
| 23:33.50 | mrpull | my bro-in-law just got a message from qwest's smtp server that he's sent too many messages (or so he says) |
| 23:33.54 | mrpull | has anybody seen this |
| 23:34.04 | mrpull | apparently he really has sent 300 messages today |
| 23:35.02 | Sargun | ouch |
| 23:35.02 | elg | is he a spammer? |
| 23:35.12 | mrpull | I teased him that he was |
| 23:35.21 | elg | it's not unheard of for an ISP to do that |
| 23:35.21 | mrpull | he bought an opt-in list |
| 23:35.22 | Sargun | levi, I have a custom language that uses a specialized set of compilers & Preprocessors |
| 23:35.52 | mrpull | the best part is that he sent them one by one manually using outlook |
| 23:35.59 | Sargun | lol |
| 23:36.00 | mrpull | copy, past, send |
| 23:36.06 | mrpull | s/past/paste/ |
| 23:36.10 | elg | levi: curse my metal mind, I want to try treetop but have no language really to try it on |
| 23:36.23 | elg | mrpull: awesome |
| 23:36.26 | elg | sooo awesome |
| 23:36.30 | levi | Sargun: Well, there's always GNU make |
| 23:36.58 | elg | Sargun: why isn't make a good make engine? |
| 23:37.02 | levi | elg: Just make a simple C-variant language or something. |
| 23:37.04 | Sargun | I need it to support clustering. |
| 23:37.09 | Sargun | elg, I might try GNU make |
| 23:37.14 | mrpull | so he went thru all his deleted and sent items to "clean up" his email and make more "room" to send more email |
| 23:37.25 | levi | mrpull: Oh my. |
| 23:37.29 | elg | mrpull: stop. you're hurting me |
| 23:37.35 | mrpull | good guy. not so technical. |
| 23:38.12 | levi | This is like the guy who hired me to tutor him in WordPerfect. He would type stuff in, print it out, cut it into strips, and literally paste it back together on another piece of paper to do editing. |
| 23:38.24 | mrpull | holy cow |
| 23:38.31 | mrpull | that is awful |
| 23:38.38 | Sargun | Like qmake |
| 23:38.50 | Sargun | How does qmake know if X depends on Y and if Y depends on C |
| 23:39.06 | elg | how do you know? |
| 23:39.10 | elg | how does anyone know? |
| 23:40.01 | elg | i could redo my racc-based parser for my little flight planner |
| 23:40.21 | elg | but then I'd get sucked into fixing a few bugs and releasing it and there goes a couple days of productivity :) |
| 23:41.47 | levi | Sargun: Any dependency-resolver must be given the dependencies, which must either be generated by hand or automatically by a tool that understands such things. |
| 23:42.10 | levi | elg: Well, there you go. You can play with it, or not. :) |
| 23:44.37 | levi | Grr. ftp.gnu.org being down is very inconvenient to me right now. |
| 23:44.55 | levi | Oh well. Time to go to class anyway. |
| 23:46.20 | Sargun | levi, it has DNS mirroring IIRC |
| 23:47.26 | elg | you could rewrite make, or you could write you a tool that understands your dependency stuff and outputs makefiles |
| 23:47.26 | elg | then you don't have to rewrite make |
| 23:51.30 | Tene | findlay: where are we going tonight? |
| 23:51.59 | herlo | to hell |
