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| 02:21.47 | Sargun | Lakshmi, |
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| 03:17.14 | jsmith_mobile | herlo: I'm delayed in Charlotte, fwiw |
| 03:17.40 | herlo | jsmith_mobile: k, I think I could drive that far if needed |
| 03:19.45 | jsmith_mobile | no need... flight should get in ~1:00am |
| 03:20.02 | herlo | eqw |
| 03:20.03 | herlo | ew |
| 03:20.19 | jsmith_mobile | could be worse... |
| 03:20.22 | herlo | jsmith_mobile: that's late, but I guess I'll find you after lunch |
| 03:20.32 | herlo | jsmith_mobile: that's flying |
| 03:20.59 | jsmith_mobile | herlo: i'll be there at the 9:30 start |
| 03:21.05 | herlo | I won |
| 03:21.07 | herlo | t |
| 03:21.36 | herlo | jsmith_mobile: i have to give a rhct test until about 1230 so save me some lunch |
| 03:22.19 | jsmith_mobile | right... |
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| 03:23.44 | herlo | no? |
| 03:24.19 | jsmith_ | Yeah, I'll try to save you some lunch |
| 03:24.28 | jsmith_ | But based on the swelling numbers of participants... |
| 03:24.39 | jsmith_ | ... might be a losing battle |
| 03:24.50 | herlo | yeah |
| 03:24.52 | herlo | I know |
| 03:25.00 | jsmith | herlo: I shall do my best! |
| 03:25.14 | herlo | jsmith: its okay if you can |
| 03:25.17 | herlo | t pullit off |
| 03:25.29 | jsmith | herlo: I have special powers ;-) |
| 03:25.30 | herlo | sorry, still figureing out the keystrokes for this eeep c |
| 03:25.43 | jsmith | herlo: You mean even with your fancy keyboard I can type faster on my n810? |
| 03:25.44 | herlo | jsmith: I know! wheat for sheep |
| 03:26.04 | herlo | jsmith: just a few keys are differently located |
| 03:26.14 | herlo | and no, I type pretty fast already on this machine |
| 03:26.33 | jsmith | Lucky you ;-) |
| 03:26.45 | herlo | yeah, probably already do 45 wpm |
| 03:26.53 | herlo | I'm pretty fast on my lappy, around 60wpm |
| 03:26.54 | goozbach | baring any unforseen incidents charity and I will be leavin |
| 03:26.54 | goozbach | baring any unforseen incidents charity and I will be lel |
| 03:27.31 | jsmith | goozbach: Worse comes to worse, you can pick me up in Charlotte |
| 03:27.41 | herlo | haha |
| 03:28.12 | goozbach | so yeah, I went to type that, and the pwoer went out |
| 03:28.18 | goozbach | it sent it twice. |
| 03:28.22 | goozbach | interesing |
| 03:28.40 | herlo | :) |
| 03:28.43 | goozbach | so anyway charity and I are going to be coming tomorrow after work |
| 03:28.49 | goozbach | emcnabb: ping |
| 03:29.09 | herlo | emcnabb: will be there |
| 03:29.19 | herlo | for dinner tomorrow |
| 03:29.25 | goozbach | trying to find room and board. :) |
| 03:29.36 | herlo | goozbach: I have an extra bed if worse comes to worse |
| 03:29.56 | herlo | not that I want to spend it next to two newlyweds... |
| 03:29.57 | herlo | but |
| 03:30.03 | herlo | if it will help |
| 03:31.16 | goozbach | my wife says "thanks .... but uhh... our car sleeps two :)" |
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| 03:35.36 | rsimpkins | Anyone in here work for directpointe? |
| 03:35.47 | rsimpkins | Or rather - I know someone in here does - are they on? |
| 03:37.22 | rsimpkins | I can't see where you can download their distribution. |
| 03:38.27 | rsimpkins | Does anyone have a directpoint iso/disk? |
| 03:39.07 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I've got one in VA, but I'm at the Charlotte airport right now |
| 03:39.36 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Where did you get it? Did you download it? |
| 03:40.16 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | <herlo> I'm working on nailing down people. | <goozbach> my wife says "thanks .... but uhh... our car sleeps two :)" |
| 03:40.24 | jsmith | rsimpkins: They gave it to me at the UTOSC |
| 03:40.38 | rsimpkins | Ahh. |
| 03:40.39 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'd check my CD case, but it's in my checked luggage |
| 03:40.49 | jsmith | rsimpkins: If I have it with me, I could rsync it to you tomorrow morning |
| 03:41.06 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Otherwise, I'd try to track down Kemotaha |
| 03:41.10 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I know he has a copy |
| 03:41.10 | rsimpkins | I'm just curious, do they run in to any gray area with the GPL? |
| 03:41.15 | jsmith | No clue |
| 03:41.51 | rsimpkins | I wonder if config files can be copyright. |
| 03:44.42 | tensai | with our mickey mouse copyright laws, I would have to assume they can |
| 03:46.06 | rsimpkins | tensai: I'm wondering if a distribution can claim copyright ownership of parts of it's system. |
| 03:46.40 | rsimpkins | tensai: If RH ships a distro that's 'optimized' with special tweaks in the config file - can they protect those config files with copyright/other legal protections? |
| 03:46.56 | rsimpkins | If so - that'd be kind of interesting. |
| 03:50.00 | tensai | I don't know the answer |
| 03:50.24 | tensai | I know you can't copyright facts, and it seems that many parts of a config might be considered simple facts |
| 03:52.52 | xbmodder_ | me is going to install debian alongside of gentoo. |
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| 04:18.46 | Sargun | poke |
| 04:18.58 | Sargun | ~action di |
| 04:18.59 | ibot | ACTION di |
| 04:19.12 | Sargun | ~action http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/welcome.py |
| 04:19.13 | ibot | ACTION http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/welcome.py |
| 04:19.16 | Sargun | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/welcome.py |
| 04:19.17 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/welcome.py |
| 04:19.17 | brac | [~ |
| 04:19.18 | brac | ~say You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money. |
| 04:19.18 | ibot | You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money. |
| 04:19.19 | brac | ~] |
| 04:19.19 | brac | [~ |
| 04:19.20 | brac | ~say Be careful! Is it classified? |
| 04:19.21 | ibot | Be careful! Is it classified |
| 04:19.21 | brac | [~ |
| 04:19.21 | brac | ~say Someone is speaking well of you. |
| 04:19.22 | ibot | Someone is speaking well of you. |
| 04:19.25 | brac | How unusual! |
| 04:19.27 | brac | [~ |
| 04:19.29 | brac | ~say You will live to see your grandchildren. |
| 04:19.29 | ibot | You will live to see your grandchildren. |
| 04:19.31 | brac | ~] |
| 04:21.34 | rsimpkins | -say ~say -say ~say -say what? |
| 04:21.34 | brac | no idea |
| 04:21.34 | brac | insufficient "say" auth (have 10, need 70) |
| 04:21.45 | rsimpkins | -say ~say what? |
| 04:21.46 | brac | don't ask me |
| 04:21.46 | brac | insufficient "say" auth (have 10, need 70) |
| 04:21.56 | rsimpkins | Blargh. |
| 04:22.02 | rsimpkins | So much for recursive saying. |
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| 04:58.15 | findlay | ~say -chat ~say |
| 04:58.16 | ibot | -chat ~say |
| 04:58.17 | brac | ~say is |
| 04:58.17 | ibot | is |
| 04:58.24 | findlay | ~say -chat ~say -chat |
| 04:58.25 | ibot | -chat ~say -chat |
| 04:58.29 | brac | ~say -chat was |
| 04:58.29 | ibot | -chat was |
| 04:58.30 | brac | was was lucky to be fast across all platforms. |
| 04:58.53 | findlay | ~say -chat ~lart |
| 04:58.54 | ibot | -chat ~lart |
| 04:58.55 | brac | ~lart was not matched to eth0 and eth1 (the wlan) |
| 04:58.55 | ibot | hereby declares was not matched to eth0 and eth1 (the wlan) a troll |
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| 05:00.56 | sargun-palm | hey |
| 05:01.04 | findlay | ~hey sargun-palm |
| 05:01.46 | sargun-palm | what's up findlay |
| 05:01.52 | findlay | scrollback |
| 05:01.57 | sargun-palm | can't |
| 05:02.03 | findlay | obviously |
| 05:02.12 | sargun-palm | I'm having terrible luck today |
| 05:02.27 | findlay | scrollback is a noun |
| 05:02.31 | sargun-palm | first one of my servers had bad ram |
| 05:02.50 | findlay | did you eat it? |
| 05:03.10 | sargun-palm | what about: you idiot, scrollback! |
| 05:03.19 | sargun-palm | what's the verb |
| 05:03.37 | findlay | you asked me what was up |
| 05:03.37 | findlay | and I told you |
| 05:04.15 | findlay | besides, I don't understand this preoccupation with 'up' |
| 05:04.23 | sargun-palm | no, I believe that's lower |
| 05:04.24 | findlay | we dispensed with the concept ca 1400s |
| 05:04.34 | sargun-palm | because memory allocates lower |
| 05:04.35 | findlay | there is no 'up' |
| 05:05.34 | sargun-palm | hm... |
| 05:05.42 | findlay | the universe is nothing but a VR simulation |
| 05:05.52 | findlay | therefore my major is pointless |
| 05:06.02 | sargun-palm | true. |
| 05:06.06 | findlay | therefore my life is pointless |
| 05:06.25 | sargun-palm | your major would be pointless even if the universe wasn't a vr simulation |
| 05:06.35 | findlay | yeah, so? |
| 05:07.06 | sargun-palm | just stating.. |
| 05:07.46 | findlay | how many doughnuts have you eaten today? |
| 05:08.10 | findlay | how many subfamilies of papillia are there? |
| 05:08.21 | sargun-palm | today, as in the past 24 earth hours? |
| 05:08.57 | sargun-palm | more than likely its an integer. |
| 05:09.08 | findlay | under which symmetry do the fundamental properties of the Universe unite? |
| 05:09.23 | findlay | all questions of relatively the same weight |
| 05:09.35 | sargun-palm | E8 |
| 05:09.45 | findlay | ~kill e8 |
| 05:09.45 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxneutron gun at e8 |
| 05:09.55 | sargun-palm | are you doing theoretical astrophysics? |
| 05:09.59 | findlay | no |
| 05:10.11 | findlay | s/astro// |
| 05:10.24 | sargun-palm | oh |
| 05:10.28 | sargun-palm | UoU? |
| 05:10.43 | findlay | likely |
| 05:11.31 | sargun-palm | which university are you at now? |
| 05:11.59 | findlay | the boring universe |
| 05:12.32 | sargun-palm | hm, never heard of that |
| 05:12.35 | findlay | I'm at that education supermarket they call UVSC |
| 05:13.47 | sargun-palm | expand. |
| 05:13.59 | findlay | borgouis, overgrown, BYU underdog--jealously but resentfully, ultra conservative community college |
| 05:14.37 | findlay | populated entirely by pop culture |
| 05:14.58 | findlay | (note: findlay is in his most sardonic mood) |
| 05:15.07 | sargun-palm | interesting expansion. |
| 05:15.59 | sargun-palm | uh, delete it? |
| 05:16.06 | findlay | ~delete it |
| 05:16.07 | ibot | ACTION glares at it and then takes every step necessary to completely delete it and destroy any and all evidence that it ever existed |
| 05:17.19 | findlay | well, I've got homework to do |
| 05:17.19 | sargun-palm | uh |
| 05:17.19 | sargun-palm | it! |
| 05:17.26 | sargun-palm | don't do it.. |
| 05:19.32 | findlay | fantasizing about rejecting synthetic human thought is fun to do on principle, but I'm too lazy to follow my principles. Fantasizing about the Universe is more fun anyway |
| 05:20.18 | findlay | and the material is already provided. Besides, if it is just a VR game, that'll be more entertaining for the people looking through the one-way mirror |
| 05:20.33 | sargun-palm | hm |
| 05:21.02 | sargun-palm | maybe as you complete it, they'll reach through the mirror and destroy your homework |
| 05:23.24 | findlay | no! they got Sargun-palm |
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| 05:33.45 | sargun-palm | LAST MILE. |
| 05:34.09 | sargun-palm | I wonder if ip over human is faster than ip over pigeon |
| 05:37.35 | sargun-palm | .65 left |
| 05:38.56 | sargun-palm | .5 miles left! |
| 05:40.45 | sargun-palm | .3 miles left! |
| 05:41.11 | sargun-palm | .25 miles left! |
| 05:41.38 | sargun-palm | .20 miles left. |
| 05:42.28 | sargun-palm | .10 miles left! |
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| 06:05.45 | vontrapp | anyone have ideas for using two ruby iterators simultaneously? |
| 06:05.56 | vontrapp | i think python would do it with those generator thingys |
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| 06:25.48 | Sargun | hey |
| 06:26.24 | Supaplex | greetings |
| 06:52.02 | findlay | ~say -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 06:52.03 | ibot | -chat ~onjoin findlay |
| 06:52.04 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat about recursive one. |
| 06:52.04 | ibot | brac: ok |
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| 07:00.08 | klys | ~quote nok |
| 07:00.11 | klys | ~quote orcl |
| 07:00.15 | Supaplex | -chat about recursive one |
| 07:00.18 | brac | recursive one |
| 07:00.47 | klys | suaplex: how's tonite |
| 07:01.15 | klys | supaplex: 'scuse me |
| 07:02.53 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 07:57.52 | Supaplex | klys: i'm good |
| 07:58.09 | Supaplex | ~lart fleaBay server errors |
| 07:58.09 | ibot | beats fleaBay server errors over the head with a microkernel |
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| 09:00.37 | Lakshmi | i hate when ppl make joikes that arent really funny. but they think it is |
| 09:32.02 | Supaplex | hello Lakshmi |
| 09:32.30 | Lakshmi | Supaplex sup? |
| 09:48.22 | Supaplex | http://li.daxal.com/~supaplex/pics/drwatson-debugger-encounters-a-problem.png |
| 09:48.26 | Supaplex | haha sweet :P |
| 09:48.58 | Lakshmi | uh cool |
| 09:55.15 | Lakshmi | i dont know who i am |
| 09:55.34 | Supaplex | if you say so... |
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| 10:20.10 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
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| 14:16.34 | Sargun | heh. |
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| 15:08.41 | herlo | man, its quiet in here lately |
| 15:10.04 | emcnabb | chirp |
| 15:10.07 | emcnabb | chrip |
| 15:11.00 | emcnabb | herlo: I was thinking I might wait to go out with you guys until Saturday night, since goozbach won't be in town by dinner this evening (and he could probably come tomorrow) |
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| 15:17.38 | herlo | that works |
| 15:19.01 | jsmith | herlo: No chance of you getting any lunch... we're gonna be way short as it is |
| 15:19.06 | jsmith | herlo: So grab something on your way over |
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| 15:27.37 | brasto | ~give me a million bucks |
| 15:27.37 | ibot | ACTION gives a million bucks to brasto |
| 15:27.43 | brasto | sweet! |
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| 15:37.17 | emcnabb | jsmith: I'm planning on heading over around noon or so |
| 15:37.23 | emcnabb | you going to be around? |
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| 15:43.14 | jsmith | emcnabb: I'm already here ;-) |
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| 15:45.01 | emcnabb | jsmith: :-) |
| 15:45.10 | emcnabb | will you be there around noon? |
| 15:45.39 | emcnabb | I actually didn't wear jeans to work! |
| 15:45.43 | emcnabb | that's a first |
| 15:46.25 | jsmith | emcnabb: I'll be here all day/weekend |
| 15:46.53 | emcnabb | cool |
| 15:48.28 | goozbach | why oh why can't apt-get install be a completely autonomous process? |
| 15:48.35 | goozbach | I hate apt-get |
| 15:48.42 | goozbach | dpkgs are evil |
| 15:49.14 | goozbach | when I do an apt-get -y install <freaking long list of packages> I just want them all installed. |
| 15:49.19 | goozbach | I will configure them later |
| 15:49.21 | goozbach | geez |
| 15:49.24 | Tene | yarly |
| 15:49.44 | Tene | One of the things I really like about rpm over dpkg |
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| 15:51.26 | sargun_n810 | I believe microoft employees are cursed |
| 15:51.51 | sargun_n810 | i just rode in the ttrain with one of their beta testers |
| 15:53.04 | sargun_n810 | As we came to our stop, he got up amd screamed (must be a microoft thing). |
| 15:53.17 | sargun_n810 | The power went off. |
| 15:53.33 | sargun_n810 | Oh god this n810 is cool. |
| 15:54.16 | sargun_n810 | And we became victims of our car |
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| 16:00.24 | brasto | herlo, like my OSS proting blog: http://flfn.org/blog/brasto/big-deal-amazon ? |
| 16:01.32 | sargun_n810 | Brasto, and who be you? |
| 16:01.43 | brasto | I be Brandon Stout |
| 16:01.55 | goozbach | bra sto? |
| 16:01.58 | goozbach | duh! |
| 16:02.00 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:02.03 | brasto | lol, yep |
| 16:02.07 | goozbach | I am sparticus! |
| 16:02.21 | brasto | sparticus, aka number 41. |
| 16:02.40 | brasto | wait... maybe that was Ben Hur... |
| 16:02.47 | goozbach | I'm number 2 |
| 16:02.53 | sargun_n810 | Did you spell ad wrong? |
| 16:03.26 | brasto | ad... I did! good catch sargun_n810 |
| 16:04.44 | brasto | what spelling error? |
| 16:04.52 | sargun_n810 | I am sparticus' screaming anger |
| 16:05.04 | sargun_n810 | Add should be ad |
| 16:05.18 | brasto | I fixed it |
| 16:05.30 | brasto | note when I said: |
| 16:05.48 | brasto | maybe the next line I should have said: |
| 16:07.42 | herlo | brasto: looking now |
| 16:07.45 | brasto | ~macrohard |
| 16:09.17 | herlo | brasto: nice |
| 16:10.10 | brasto | ~macrohard is to microsoft as bizarro is to superman. |
| 16:10.10 | ibot | okay, brasto |
| 16:10.15 | brasto | ~macrohard |
| 16:10.16 | ibot | i heard macrohard is to microsoft as bizarro is to superman. |
| 16:10.50 | herlo | jsmith: will do |
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| 16:18.47 | jsmith | herlo: I take that back... lunch in the other building will be served at 1:00 |
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| 16:28.39 | herlo | other building? |
| 16:28.45 | herlo | jsmith: what other building? |
| 16:28.58 | jsmith | herlo: Never mind, it's here at the State Club |
| 16:29.04 | herlo | okay |
| 16:29.05 | jsmith | herlo: One seating at noon, the other at 1 |
| 16:29.14 | herlo | jsmith: I'll be at the 1pm one probably |
| 16:29.20 | herlo | you too? |
| 16:29.24 | jsmith | herlo: (There's another building across the road, but the lunch will be here for the people from the other group) |
| 16:29.29 | jsmith | herlo: I'll be eating at noon |
| 16:29.40 | herlo | jsmith: okay, I'll sneak in at 1pm |
| 16:29.42 | jsmith | herlo: (I've already been sucked into some lunch meetings) |
| 16:29.48 | herlo | jsmith: nice |
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| 16:30.00 | herlo | jsmith: where are yo uin the building? |
| 16:30.16 | herlo | and what hacking events did they decide upon today? |
| 16:30.42 | jsmith | herlo: Chancellor's Room, upstairs |
| 16:31.14 | herlo | jsmith: k, I'll come find you |
| 16:31.17 | jsmith | herlo: There's a Docs group, and intrastructure group, and package review group, a kernel hacking & eeepc group, and one other that I can't remember |
| 16:31.39 | emcnabb | jsmith: since I've never seen you, how can I recognize you without shouting out your name? :-) |
| 16:31.42 | herlo | just watned to know if they changed much |
| 16:31.50 | herlo | emcnabb: just shout |
| 16:31.52 | herlo | :) |
| 16:33.08 | jsmith | emcnabb: Blue button-down shirt and khakis, brown hair, PowerBook running Linux |
| 16:33.12 | jsmith | emcnabb: You'll find me ;-) |
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| 16:33.32 | jsmith | emcnabb: Look for the PowerBook ;-) |
| 16:33.51 | herlo | jsmith: do you only have the mac? |
| 16:33.59 | herlo | I don't think I've ever actually seen you rputers |
| 16:34.32 | emcnabb | jsmith: thank. :-) I'm in a green sweater, khakis pans, and will be wandering aimlessly |
| 16:35.00 | jsmith | emcnabb: OK |
| 16:35.16 | emcnabb | will head out around noon... I'm on a boring concall right now |
| 16:35.31 | herlo | I'm in a boring test righ tnow |
| 16:35.54 | Tene | herlo: me too! |
| 16:36.21 | jsmith | herlo: I avoided boring testing on Friday and left early this week ;-) |
| 16:40.19 | levi | Tene: What sorts of things? |
| 16:41.12 | Tene | I keep seeing 'eval' everywhere, and that feels awkward to me. |
| 16:42.01 | levi | Lisp pioneered 'eval', but Lisp programmers don't actually /use/ it very often. :) |
| 16:42.11 | Tene | Another issue is that it looks rather awkward to deal with passing around blocks of code. |
| 16:42.21 | Tene | Although perhaps that's related to the use of eval. |
| 16:43.10 | levi | People who are using eval in Lisp are probably trying to be too clever. I'm not sure if Ruby is the same way, or if Ruby programmers are just always trying to be too clever. |
| 16:43.48 | Tene | http://pastie.caboo.se/134422 is the code I'm reading right now. |
| 16:43.50 | levi | I do think the block/proc thing in Ruby is a little awkward. |
| 16:44.11 | levi | I haven't used Ruby enough to make a real judgement call, though. |
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| 16:45.04 | Tene | That's definitely not a realistic case, though. |
| 16:46.23 | Tene | Blocks definitely *look* awkward to work with, but I haven't done it much. |
| 16:48.20 | levi | There doesn't seem to be an eval there, but the fact that there's source code in a string is disgusting. |
| 16:49.19 | Tene | It's finding the ruby binary on disk and executing it, passing the soruce as input. |
| 16:49.29 | Tene | source. |
| 16:49.47 | Tene | afaict. |
| 16:49.59 | levi | Yeah... I thought Ruby had an 'eval' method, though. |
| 16:50.27 | Tene | It's apparently something to do with demonstrating a way to get concurrency. |
| 16:50.45 | levi | Oh, I see. It makes sense, then. |
| 16:51.02 | levi | But definitely not how you'd normally do things. |
| 16:51.13 | Tene | I can't tell if the point is "Ruby concurrency sucks, so I'm doing it by hand." or "Look at me, I'm doing this strangely." |
| 16:51.25 | levi | The former, I'm sure. |
| 16:51.32 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 16:52.25 | levi | Anyway, the handling of blocks in there doesn't look too awkward to me. |
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| 16:54.50 | Tene | the weird thing was something about that you can only pass one block to any given function, and there's some awkwardness about scope, I think |
| 16:55.08 | levi | Oh, yeah. That's the part of Ruby I don't like. |
| 16:55.32 | Tene | There was this: http://blog.sidu.in/2007/11/ruby-blocks-gotchas.html |
| 16:55.44 | Tene | I don't know how often those issues come up in real code, though. |
| 16:55.56 | levi | I like Smalltalk's handling of blocks much better. |
| 16:56.23 | levi | Actually, I think a Smalltalk is a better language than Ruby in pretty much every way, but I'm definitely in the minority there. |
| 16:57.08 | Tene | Smalltalk is definitely very appealing to me. |
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| 16:59.31 | levi | If I had time, I'd like to contribute to the effort to port Strongtalk to Linux. |
| 16:59.38 | levi | And get it stabilized. |
| 17:03.31 | herlo | nice, got my keys steup on my eeep c |
| 17:04.09 | herlo | jsmith-lunch: the only way I was going to fudcon was if I did my work first, sucks, I know |
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| 17:08.18 | herlo | jsmith-lunch: I won't be over there until after 1:30 my guess. Had a machine explode on me today |
| 17:10.52 | Jayce^ | sony battery? :) |
| 17:11.21 | Jayce^ | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6527131 |
| 17:11.28 | Jayce^ | super smash brothers for $20 ! |
| 17:17.00 | maquis | huh? |
| 17:18.01 | Jayce^ | wal-mart had the game for $20 |
| 17:18.13 | maquis | ah |
| 17:18.21 | Jayce^ | ooh, they *just* changed the price |
| 17:18.33 | ^Migs^ | well, I HAVE to buy it now! |
| 17:18.39 | herlo | Jayce^: not a literal explosion |
| 17:18.39 | ^Migs^ | I mean, how could I not???! |
| 17:18.59 | Jayce^ | they just raised it to a normal price |
| 17:20.09 | Tene | lame |
| 17:20.17 | Tene | ETOOLATE |
| 17:20.30 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 17:20.49 | Jayce^ | yeah it changed as my brother was adding it to his cart... he just missedit |
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| 17:28.12 | maquis | probably an error |
| 17:28.16 | maquis | happens all the time |
| 17:31.45 | Sargun | hi |
| 17:38.19 | levi | Yo. |
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| 17:44.53 | bonez44 | is there any simple way to "print to email" ? I print statements out of a program....normally sending them to my printer, occasionally to a fax driver......to fax directly..but sometimes I'd like to print directly to an email address....can this be done? |
| 17:45.18 | bonez44 | the output is not in word or doc or txt format....it's printing out from a Btrieve record manager database... |
| 17:46.12 | elg | it can be done with some cups wizardry |
| 17:46.17 | elg | which I do not posess |
| 17:48.22 | bonez44 | ok, hans.....for the time being then, I guess I'll figure something else eout |
| 17:51.30 | elg | it's not hard, otoh, to set up a pdf printer |
| 17:51.32 | elg | save to file |
| 17:51.35 | elg | and you could email that manually |
| 17:51.45 | elg | you can even do that in windows |
| 17:53.35 | bonez44 | ah....pdf....that lowly yet powerful format..I had forgotten about it |
| 18:01.39 | Sargun | hi |
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| 18:17.53 | ^Migs^ | http://dinside.no/km_bilde/9/2433329.jpg |
| 18:21.50 | rsimpkins | undertakingyou: You around? |
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| 18:26.37 | Jayce^ | http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/329/dohgodru8.jpg |
| 18:28.58 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Did you take that pic? |
| 18:29.05 | Jayce^ | no, just passing along |
| 18:29.09 | rsimpkins | That's cool. |
| 18:29.33 | Jayce^ | s/cool/willy-inducing/ |
| 18:29.56 | rsimpkins | I like spiders. |
| 18:30.02 | rsimpkins | Well, harmless spiders. |
| 18:30.29 | rsimpkins | Of course - a whole swarm of spiders like this might be harmfull if they all attacked you or something - but I bet these wouldn't. |
| 18:30.56 | rsimpkins | I am scared to death of hobo spiders though. |
| 18:31.57 | rsimpkins | I wonder if there was someing warm on the other side of that wall, like a heater or something. |
| 18:34.20 | dmdavis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.21 | brac | [Awwww! Babies!] |
| 18:34.54 | dmdavis | to go along with Jayce^'s picture |
| 18:35.14 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: That's cool. |
| 18:35.33 | dmdavis | as long as it's happening very, very far from my house :) |
| 18:35.49 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Nah, spiders like that are what you want around your house - trust me. |
| 18:36.05 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: The spiders you don't want are the hobos - those critters are just not fun. |
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| 18:36.20 | levi | Heh, university students in Tokyo doing CS learn Java from their Liberal Arts classes, and they learn Scheme, ML, and Prolog in addition to C/C++ and Sparc asm. |
| 18:36.21 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: I wouldn't recognize a hobo if I saw one |
| 18:36.42 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo_spider |
| 18:36.56 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: If you see one - don't go near it unless you intend to kill it immediatly. |
| 18:37.12 | Shadowwire | Hey, anyone ever telnet into something using a cable with a network connector on one end? |
| 18:37.22 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: thanks. my wife demands that all spiders in our house are killed immediately anyway |
| 18:37.28 | Newsome | same here |
| 18:37.33 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: I know more than one person who's been in bed for months because of a hobo bite. |
| 18:37.34 | dmdavis | if we saw anything like the picture I shared, she'd probably make us move |
| 18:37.38 | dmdavis | wow |
| 18:37.50 | rsimpkins | Yeah, just be very careful with the hobo. |
| 18:37.57 | rsimpkins | You don't wanna mess around with those things. |
| 18:37.59 | levi | They have a pair of classes, 'Compiler Experiments' and 'Processor Experiments'. Groups of students compete with one other as they implement CPUs in FPGAs and implement compilers and run ray-tracers on their systems. |
| 18:38.25 | dmdavis | yeah, I've seen pictures of the results of hobo bites. not pretty. |
| 18:38.50 | rsimpkins | What's worse than the pictures to me is the stories of lives put on hold for a year to deal with a bite. |
| 18:39.10 | rsimpkins | I mean - from healthy 30 year olds having to put their lives in the closet for year. |
| 18:39.22 | dmdavis | wow |
| 18:40.05 | rsimpkins | Not every hobo bite will cause issues - maybe only 20% of bites will do that to you - but it just isn't worth the risk. |
| 18:40.12 | Shadowwire | So, I've had people tell me that nmap is the way to find the ip address of a switch, Is that the case? |
| 18:40.33 | rsimpkins | The best hobo defense is having other less harmful spiders in your area to keep them out of the eco system. |
| 18:40.45 | dmdavis | interesting |
| 18:40.51 | Kemotaha | get a huntsman :) |
| 18:41.06 | rsimpkins | Not that some other spider couldn't give you a good bite - but they won't ruin your life for a year. :) |
| 18:41.11 | dmdavis | maybe I could convince my wife to let us get a tarantula to roam the house :) |
| 18:41.17 | Kemotaha | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntsman_spider |
| 18:41.21 | dmdavis | that could startle house guests |
| 18:41.24 | levi | Shadowwire: It's probably easier to just hook up to the switch's serial port. |
| 18:41.30 | Supaplex | if my sticky mouse traps are not catching mice, they're catching all sorts of bugs and spiders |
| 18:41.50 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: phidippus audax is a good local species that fights against the hobo ecosystem. |
| 18:42.10 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Also, wolf spiders (look very scary, huge spiders) are good as well. |
| 18:42.30 | Shadowwire | Levi: the only cable I have for it has a network connection on one end. And I havnt been able to make that work. |
| 18:42.39 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Both of those will hurt you when they bite, but they won't cause necrotic arachnisim (sp?). |
| 18:42.51 | levi | Shadowwire: It's an RJ-45 to DB-9? |
| 18:42.58 | Shadowwire | yes |
| 18:42.59 | dmdavis | the phidippus audax is apparently called a jumping spider. no way that's entering my house :) |
| 18:43.07 | levi | Shadowwire: Why can't you make it work? |
| 18:43.21 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: They are little tiny black spiders and are hunters. |
| 18:43.31 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: So they get in to people's homes frequently. |
| 18:43.46 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: They are also the most beneficial species when trying to fight against hobos. |
| 18:44.04 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: interesting. thanks for the info. |
| 18:44.19 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: The furthest I've seen one 'jump' is about an inch. :) |
| 18:44.37 | rsimpkins | They love erwigs too. :) |
| 18:44.38 | Shadowwire | levi: I dont know, I configure the telnet how the manual tells me. Is there some difference between db-9 to db-9 and db-9 to rj45? |
| 18:44.53 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: well, we're hopefully moving to the east coast later this year, and it looks like hobo spiders aren't typically out there |
| 18:45.13 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: I'm sure we'll have other freaky creatures to deal with there, though |
| 18:45.13 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Yeah, then you'll have to worry about brown recluse probably. |
| 18:45.26 | levi | Shadowwire: Well, you should be using something like minicom, not telnet. |
| 18:45.45 | Shadowwire | Levi: minicom? |
| 18:46.01 | levi | Shadowwire: You should just need to set the right baud rate, parity, and flow control settings. |
| 18:46.06 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: I really need to find somewhere to live that doesn't have creepy, poisonous things coming in my house. maybe alaska... |
| 18:46.12 | levi | Shadowwire: It's a serial terminal program. |
| 18:46.15 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: lol. :) |
| 18:46.20 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: maybe antartica |
| 18:46.21 | levi | Shadowwire: How were you trying to talk to it? |
| 18:46.30 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: that would be cool :) |
| 18:46.40 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: extreamly cool. |
| 18:46.50 | Shadowwire | Levi: Hyperterminal |
| 18:46.59 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: we could go down there and start the alug |
| 18:47.25 | levi | Shadowwire: Oh, you're using Windows. So, how are you configuring Hyperterminal? |
| 18:47.34 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: My mother has some close friends that live on the Yukon in Alaska. They get all kinds of critters - including the occasional bear. |
| 18:47.43 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Of course, they SHOOT the bear and eat it. so :) |
| 18:48.15 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: I'd rather deal with a bear, which won't be hiding in my bed (in theory) |
| 18:48.36 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: although, an angry bear would make me deader than an angry spider... |
| 18:48.37 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: shoe versus bear, or shoe versus spider? ;-) |
| 18:49.44 | rsimpkins | These people have really interesting lives. He has a small solar array that charges up a few linux laptops in his cabin. |
| 18:49.54 | rsimpkins | He's got a little Linux LAN thing going on. |
| 18:50.08 | rsimpkins | No Internet though - so he just messes around with games, and writes letters - etc. |
| 18:50.23 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: nice. I actually really would like to live in Alaska. My sister served her mission there, and loved it. |
| 18:51.05 | rsimpkins | Apparently they end up with a lot of spare time during the winter months. |
| 18:51.05 | dmdavis | rsimpkins: no internet would be tough, though |
| 18:52.00 | rsimpkins | Snowmobing atop the frozen yukon to get supplies for the month could be a fun distraction. :) |
| 18:52.07 | dmdavis | oh yeah |
| 18:52.30 | rsimpkins | Says it takes them a full day to snomobile to the nearest town that has a supply depot. |
| 18:52.53 | dmdavis | don't think I could convince my wife to live like that :) |
| 18:53.09 | dmdavis | she like easy access to amenities |
| 18:53.10 | rsimpkins | This guy is amazing. He came in to SLC, went to a singles ward (my mothers), got up in front of everyone and said "I'm here for two weeks. I need to get married and go back to alaska." |
| 18:53.22 | rsimpkins | And my mother's good friend married him. |
| 18:53.30 | dmdavis | awesome |
| 18:54.03 | rsimpkins | He even delivered his two kids right in his cabin. |
| 18:54.17 | rsimpkins | The ultimate do-it-yourselfer. :) |
| 18:54.23 | dmdavis | :) |
| 18:54.41 | levi | Sounds like a good way to lose your wife and kids in childbirth. |
| 18:54.54 | rsimpkins | There were huge risks doing that, no doubt. |
| 18:54.57 | rsimpkins | But - he did it. |
| 18:55.09 | Supaplex | billions of people on the planet |
| 18:55.30 | levi | My wife may well have bled to death if she hadn't been in the hospital for her births. |
| 18:55.44 | Shadowwire | How long have hospitals been arround? |
| 18:56.23 | levi | Shadowwire: The correct question is, 'How often did mothers and children die in childbirth before modern hospital deliveries as opposed to after?' |
| 18:56.46 | levi | And the answer is, relatively frequently. |
| 18:56.47 | Shadowwire | I guess the reason people have fewer children nowadays, is because more of them live. |
| 18:57.15 | levi | Infant mortality is WAY down. |
| 18:57.29 | Shadowwire | No offense intended. |
| 18:57.47 | levi | None taken, I just wanted to point out the facts here. |
| 18:58.43 | levi | I guess giving birth in a cabin is better than giving birth on a snowmobile on the way to a hospital. :) |
| 18:59.03 | Shadowwire | I took a regional geography class in college, and .... wow.. that was good.. |
| 18:59.15 | findlay | so, exec gets blackberry, calls support (we use google apps for our mail), support tells him 'blackberry works best with outlook express' |
| 18:59.28 | findlay | outlook express? outlook EXPRESS?! |
| 18:59.28 | rsimpkins | Well, this guy did clear a runway area - and has a ham radio. Still - medical help is at least two hours away. |
| 18:59.35 | rsimpkins | They did have an accident one time. |
| 18:59.41 | findlay | I am not supporting outlook express |
| 18:59.50 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, if I could get a decent ping time, I'd be there |
| 18:59.51 | rsimpkins | Forget the details, but it took hours to get to a hospital. |
| 19:00.01 | findlay | too bad we went with google apps |
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| 19:00.11 | findlay | I guess they're just too inferior for blackberry |
| 19:00.23 | levi | rsimpkins: Sounds like a good excuse to schedule induction. |
| 19:00.46 | levi | But this doesn't sound like the kind of guy who would have nice medical insurance. |
| 19:01.20 | findlay | I guess we should buy into the M$ ecosystem so that that we're optimal for blackberry |
| 19:01.33 | findlay | ~kill ignorance |
| 19:01.34 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged quark gun at ignorance |
| 19:01.45 | rsimpkins | He doesn't make much money at all, enough to buy some supplies that aren't easily made... and a few laptops. :) |
| 19:03.09 | rsimpkins | However, being so remote they don't get sick often. Their diet is healthy and pretty consistent. They have a good source of water that is probably cleaner than what you can get in most major cities. |
| 19:03.17 | levi | rsimpkins: When pregnancy and childbirth are involved, the value of a nice job with good pay and good medical benefits really comes into focus. The rustic life sounds kind of appealing otherwise. :) |
| 19:03.32 | rsimpkins | levi: I agree. |
| 19:04.28 | Shadowwire | I guess Im tooo much of a social person. The rustic life dosnt appeal to me at all. |
| 19:04.59 | Shadowwire | Oooops. |
| 19:06.55 | goozbach | I would love to live like that, only if I did have internet access however |
| 19:07.35 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you and me man |
| 19:08.19 | Jayce^ | findlay, that's strange because they have blackberry specific apps |
| 19:13.33 | Shadowwire | levi: would the setup be different for db9 to rj45 than db9 to db9? |
| 19:17.12 | goozbach | Jayce^: we'll find a good spot out there in Alaska and build our complexes next to each other |
| 19:17.23 | goozbach | where next == two hour ride away |
| 19:17.43 | goozbach | then we could open an awesome paintball camp |
| 19:18.20 | goozbach | "travel to Alaska, play military sim paintball, go salmon fishing, and 4 wheeling" |
| 19:18.45 | goozbach | have my father-in-law give flyfishing lessons... etc |
| 19:29.17 | levi | Shadowwire: Shouldn't be. |
| 19:32.42 | Shadowwire | levi: I found a db-9 to db-9, but I cant get it to work either. |
| 19:33.09 | levi | Shadowwire: You're sure you got the baud rate and flow control stuff right? |
| 19:33.22 | *** part/#utah macutard (n=zordos@38.99.101.131) |
| 19:34.25 | Shadowwire | levi: the manual says anywhere between 9600 and 115200 |
| 19:34.36 | levi | Huh. |
| 19:34.42 | Shadowwire | flow control to xon / xoff |
| 19:34.57 | levi | Well, beats me then. |
| 19:35.05 | Shadowwire | It even looks like its connecting. but then wont do anything. |
| 19:35.49 | levi | What do you mean, 'looks like its connecting'? |
| 19:42.23 | Shadowwire | levi: it says connected and has the time that its been connected in the lower left. |
| 19:46.03 | levi | That's just Hyperterminal being dumb. |
| 19:46.52 | Shadowwire | oh. |
| 19:49.03 | Shadowwire | any Idias on how to find the IP of this switch? |
| 19:50.07 | tensai | Shadowwire: ping 255.255.255.255 and see if it responds |
| 19:51.23 | tensai | turn on a sniffer and see if there is any traffic. often they'll send out cdp or stp packets which can give you clues |
| 19:52.02 | tensai | can you reset it to defaults? |
| 19:52.05 | Shadowwire | I am running wireshark |
| 19:52.38 | tensai | what type of switch is it? |
| 19:52.50 | Shadowwire | I cant reset it to defaults because it has qos and a bunch of other stuff set up that I dont want to reconfigure. |
| 19:53.01 | Shadowwire | Hp Procurve |
| 19:53.41 | Shadowwire | I See ssdp trafic on the sniffer, how can that help? |
| 19:54.23 | Shadowwire | sorry and stp |
| 19:55.59 | tensai | I don't know all the details of those protocols. is there any indication of the IP address in the packets? |
| 19:56.51 | Shadowwire | Not in the STP. |
| 19:57.10 | levi | I guess it's not sending out CDP packets? |
| 19:57.21 | levi | Or LLDP, if it's a newer one. |
| 19:57.23 | Shadowwire | I don t see any. |
| 19:57.54 | Shadowwire | I see some lldp |
| 19:58.03 | levi | The IP address should be in there. |
| 19:58.17 | levi | LLDP is a wonderful thing. |
| 19:58.29 | Shadowwire | There is a mac address but no IP |
| 19:58.51 | levi | Did you examine the contents of the packet? |
| 19:58.59 | Shadowwire | How do I do that? |
| 19:59.20 | Shadowwire | I think I fugured it out. |
| 19:59.21 | levi | Um, click on an LLDP packet and look in the lower pane. |
| 19:59.33 | Shadowwire | right. I feel dumb. |
| 20:00.09 | levi | Well, if you couldn't figure that out, you would be dumb. Fortunately you did, eventually. ;) |
| 20:02.35 | Shadowwire | Well, I found a management address, Unfortunately It is for a different switch of the same model. |
| 20:08.47 | Shadowwire | Found IT! |
| 20:08.55 | Shadowwire | Thanks guys. |
| 20:09.17 | Shadowwire | I found the info in a HP protocol packet. |
| 20:10.45 | tensai | packet sniffers rock |
| 20:10.53 | Shadowwire | indeed. |
| 20:11.09 | Shadowwire | this would be my first practicle use of one. |
| 20:11.23 | Shadowwire | "practicle" |
| 20:12.45 | tensai | pracktickle |
| 20:16.47 | levi | I find all the turning up of noses at 'academics' on the PLUG list disturbing. |
| 20:17.34 | thaddeusq | levi: I've wondered why it took that turn. |
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| 20:24.54 | dmdavis | goozbach: I'll sign up for the paintball/fly fishing/4-wheeling |
| 20:25.05 | dmdavis | :) |
| 20:26.00 | Jayce^ | levi, in some ways I can see it, I turned my nose up at them because academics were the ones spoon feeding me the drivel that is being ranted against.. |
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| 20:33.03 | Jayce^ | there is something seriously wrong when the documentation for a file format consisting of 120-byte fixed rows has 40 different pdf documents average size about 30 pages each.. |
| 20:33.42 | jsmith | Jayce^: Seriously? |
| 20:33.53 | Jayce^ | ooh, this "main" document is 261 pages |
| 20:34.11 | Jayce^ | yeah, chase-paymentech batch processing systems |
| 20:34.24 | Tene | TSA's reason for hassling me this time: I put my hand in my pocket. |
| 20:34.48 | levi | Tene: Oooh, you terrorist! |
| 20:34.50 | Jayce^ | Tene, they were more interested with what your hand was doing down there.. |
| 20:36.13 | Tene | I've considered stripping down to my boxers to go through security before. |
| 20:38.16 | Tene | "Do you believe that I don't have a bomb now?" |
| 20:38.35 | Jayce^ | Tene, then you'll just start getting cavity searches |
| 20:38.41 | Jayce^ | do you really want to go there :) |
| 20:39.26 | Tene | If I'm going to be hassled, may as well make it unpleasant for them too. :) |
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| 20:48.49 | levi | Hi, sjansen. |
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| 20:50.28 | Tene | Hi, sjansen |
| 20:56.44 | xbmodder_ | hi teabeer |
| 20:56.45 | xbmodder_ | hi Tene |
| 20:57.04 | Tene | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080109091102.htm -- Wow. |
| 20:57.08 | brac | [Reversal Of Alzheimer's Symptoms Within Minutes In Human Study] |
| 20:57.42 | sjansen | Hello everybody! |
| 20:58.16 | emcnabb | Hello, sjansen |
| 20:58.50 | Tene | Hello, emcnabb |
| 20:59.01 | emcnabb | Hello, Tene |
| 21:01.02 | emcnabb | jsmith: how's it going over there? |
| 21:04.04 | jsmith | emcnabb: Not bad... Clint is here, so we're hacking on docs |
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| 21:18.29 | mecworks | hey ibot. |
| 21:18.43 | elg | ~say hey mecworks |
| 21:18.43 | ibot | hey mecworks |
| 21:18.54 | elg | pay no attention to the man behind the curtain |
| 21:18.58 | mecworks | :) |
| 21:19.47 | findlay | Jayce^: what do you mean? |
| 21:19.58 | elg | he means what he says |
| 21:20.12 | goozbach | yay driving to fudcon! |
| 21:20.14 | findlay | my problem is that he's listening to the instructions from somebody at ATT |
| 21:20.34 | findlay | if I could get it in my hands, I could probably figure it out for him |
| 21:21.22 | elg | it takes like 2 minutes to start, and my computer is so taxed during the process that I can't do the normal time-passing things like web browsing |
| 21:21.36 | findlay | but as it is, he's believing what they tell him that 'blackberry works best with outlook express'. Forget whatever your IT dept has already set up |
| 21:21.41 | elg | i'm stuck with irc or exploring $HOME at the cli |
| 21:21.56 | levi | elg: What computer is this on? |
| 21:22.00 | elg | my macbook |
| 21:22.08 | elg | to be fair fg is not much faster to start up |
| 21:22.30 | elg | but in linux I think the problem would be lesser |
| 21:22.46 | elg | osx isn't quite as good at being responsive when under heavy attack as linux |
| 21:27.11 | findlay | elg: linux probably has way more hackers than the Darwin kernel :) |
| 21:31.58 | undertakingyou | rsimpkins: pong |
| 21:34.27 | Jayce^ | ~poke mecworks |
| 21:34.27 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind mecworks, pokes mecworks repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:36.19 | mecworks | hey Jayce^ |
| 21:36.22 | mecworks | what up? |
| 21:36.55 | mecworks | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 21:36.55 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Jayce^'s head to break the homerun record |
| 21:38.40 | Jayce^ | long time no see man |
| 21:39.28 | mecworks | yeah |
| 21:40.01 | mecworks | been busy. We just moved offices within bldg. H. So, all the Mono team are together now - finally! |
| 21:40.22 | Jayce^ | easier to lay off that way :-p |
| 21:41.03 | mecworks | yeah, much :) |
| 21:46.59 | Jayce^ | reading file format documentation.. not the most fun thing to do on a friday afternoon.. |
| 21:51.54 | findlay | Jayce^: do you have a blackberry? |
| 21:52.51 | Jayce^ | no.. |
| 21:53.09 | Jayce^ | just know that they list blackberry apps for google apps |
| 21:53.25 | findlay | yeah |
| 21:56.13 | rsimpkins | undertakingyou: Yeah, entice labs - did they ever get in touch with you? |
| 21:57.15 | undertakingyou | rsimpkins: not yet. But I understand that they may have gotten in touch with Heartsbane, and he and I are going to go. |
| 21:57.29 | rsimpkins | undertakingyou: Cool. |
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| 22:20.17 | findlay | ~date |
| 22:20.18 | ibot | It is now 2008.01.11 22:20:18 GMT |
| 22:27.51 | findlay | haha @ about:config on ff3-beta |
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| 22:54.53 | Supaplex | findlay: do tell (about:config on ff3-beta) |
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| 23:24.37 | findlay | Supaplex: http://localhost/ff3-beta-funniness.png |
| 23:24.42 | findlay | Supaplex: http://jfindlay.us/ff3-beta-funniness.png |
| 23:25.44 | findlay | ~onjoin pashdown |
| 23:25.45 | ibot | onjoin for pashdown set by supaplex on Fri Jan 11 15:50:57 2008: -talk about Xmission NAGIOS |
| 23:27.15 | pashdown | got me |
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| 23:30.30 | rsimpkins | pashdown: How's it going? |
| 23:31.51 | findlay | ~lart anti UTOPIA bills |
| 23:31.51 | ibot | whips anti UTOPIA bills with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 23:32.07 | findlay | that was my knee jerk for the day |
| 23:32.36 | pashdown | have any been proposed? |
| 23:33.18 | findlay | http://www.sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/2008-January/009772.html |
| 23:34.50 | Supaplex | they found j.jetsons car on ebay #220188946461 |
| 23:34.50 | findlay | hm, haven't found anything official-looking on the state website |
| 23:35.29 | JoshH | the guy just says we are likely to see an anti-UTOPIA bill, not that there is one |
| 23:35.46 | findlay | http://le.utah.gov/asp/billsintro/RepResults.asp?Listbox3=ALL |
| 23:35.49 | brac | [2008 -- Legislation(House Of Representatives)] |
| 23:36.19 | findlay | I bet they'd obfuscate the name though, so don't expect it to be 'The anti-UTOPIA bill' :) |
| 23:36.20 | pashdown | i've asked the people who run the state website to put in a keyword search that will email results |
| 23:36.34 | pashdown | the 2008 Incumbant Protection Act |
| 23:37.26 | pashdown | the other thing i think is going to happen this session is more CP80-sourced legislation |
| 23:37.53 | pashdown | because wireless internet is the root of all evil |
| 23:39.31 | findlay | http://le.utah.gov/asp/billsintro/index.asp to search |
| 23:39.32 | unum | I was the one who sent that email |
| 23:39.34 | brac | [2008 -- Bill Requests/Introduced Bills] |
| 23:39.54 | findlay | unum: where'd you hear it? |
| 23:40.07 | unum | my rep tim cosgrove |
| 23:40.09 | undertakingyou | yes, that wireless will cause children to drink and young girls be "Lady's of the night" |
| 23:40.55 | unum | when do they have to submit the bill by for them to be considered |
| 23:41.54 | pashdown | http://le.utah.gov/~2008/bills/hbillint/hb0018.htm is the only thing that "internet" brings up |
| 23:41.55 | unum | I'll have to ask tim next time I talk to him |
| 23:41.57 | brac | [Utah Legislature HB0018] |
| 23:42.03 | findlay | well it looks like a bunch of bills have already been proposed |
| 23:42.36 | unum | tim didn't have a number for me so I don't think it's been submitted yet |
| 23:43.09 | pashdown | emily? |
| 23:43.31 | unum | I think I talked to her and she said some guy wanted to interview me first |
| 23:43.42 | unum | because I wanted to teach an html class at the library through xmission |
| 23:43.56 | pashdown | ahh cool |
| 23:43.56 | unum | starting my own group hasn't really worked for me so far and I wanted to get started |
| 23:44.04 | unum | so I figured I'd try that route |
| 23:44.06 | pashdown | i'd be happy to help push that through |
| 23:45.37 | acrid | HB0076? I just skimmed it and my lawyer-fu is weak...but it looks suspicious. |
| 23:45.42 | Supaplex | findlay: nice png of ff3 :) |
| 23:45.57 | unum | pashdown: thanks. I think grant just wanted to meet with me and make sure I wasn't some weirdo |
| 23:46.16 | unum | I sent emily an email to see when I can meet with grant |
| 23:46.19 | pashdown | i can vouch for you :-) |
| 23:46.27 | unum | thanks |
| 23:47.05 | findlay | Supaplex: I know. I can't wait for it to hit digg big time :) |
| 23:47.35 | Supaplex | ^.^ |
| 23:48.57 | unum | I have a voip phone at home |
| 23:49.11 | unum | of course I'm not paying for voip service yet |
| 23:49.36 | findlay | you can get, like, 1.7 cents/min |
| 23:49.55 | unum | I think my hoa's contract with comcast expires next summer |
| 23:50.13 | unum | I wonder if there are enough young techincal people there that we can go utopia instead |
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| 23:50.40 | findlay | ugh |
| 23:50.43 | unum | I live in a town house style condo which is really unfortunate because they won't provide service to a condo |
| 23:50.53 | unum | but they might a town house |
| 23:51.05 | unum | maybe I can get them to rename the complex instead :) |
| 23:51.32 | findlay | especially when they've made the 'wrong' decision |
| 23:51.37 | unum | I hope I didn't miss the anual meeting |
| 23:52.07 | findlay | do some research. UTOPIA should be obvious price wise by the facts |
| 23:52.15 | unum | when I asked about they pointed out that utopia wasn't availiable in that area when they last renewed the comcast contract |
| 23:52.29 | unum | so I think the committee is open to the idea |
| 23:52.40 | unum | we just need to get some numbers to present to people |
