| 00:00.24 | Zelut | goozbach: ping - apache2 tuning question |
| 00:02.33 | jsmith-busy | herlo: It's on the wiki |
| 00:06.54 | goozbach | Zelut: pong use worker :) |
| 00:07.04 | herlo | jsmith-busy: make me work why don't ya :) |
| 00:09.04 | Zelut | goozbach: i need to tune it for reduced memory consumption and it looks like the prefork is part of the dependencies of teh packages i have setup :( |
| 00:10.52 | jsmith-busy | ~work Heartsbane |
| 00:10.53 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of Heartsbane to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so Heartsbane can play bzflag |
| 00:10.56 | jsmith-busy | ~work herlo |
| 00:10.56 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of herlo to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so herlo can play bzflag |
| 00:11.09 | jsmith-busy | Sorry Heartsbane... tab collision |
| 00:11.19 | herlo | ~lart jsmith-busy |
| 00:11.19 | ibot | says "boot to the head" and knocks jsmith-busy over |
| 00:11.38 | jsmith-busy | ~fdisk Heartsbane |
| 00:11.43 | jsmith-busy | ~fdisk herlo |
| 00:11.53 | jsmith-busy | Who messed up my tab completion settings on this box? |
| 00:14.07 | findlay | ~tab jsmith-busy |
| 00:14.28 | jsmith-busy | ~filet findlay |
| 00:14.38 | jsmith-busy | jbot is no fun |
| 00:14.38 | goozbach | Zelut: apache and "reduced memory consumption" don't play well toghether |
| 00:14.56 | findlay | lighthttpd? |
| 00:15.15 | goozbach | to reduce the memory you have to limit child processes |
| 00:15.32 | goozbach | and doing so causes responsiviness issues |
| 00:15.44 | herlo | sure, but it still responds |
| 00:16.26 | Zelut | i'm thiking about lighttpd. thought i'd try apache tuning first |
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| 00:18.48 | goozbach | reduce your max_children and up the connections per child |
| 00:19.04 | goozbach | who is it that's in charge of the utah planet? |
| 00:19.28 | Tene | goozbach: you are, now. |
| 00:20.08 | goozbach | I am? |
| 00:20.16 | Tene | goozbach: yep. |
| 00:20.35 | goozbach | ok so what's my login? |
| 00:21.14 | Tene | goozbach: root |
| 00:21.26 | goozbach | and the password? |
| 00:21.57 | Tene | goozbach: the same as the root password on the neverblock servers. |
| 00:22.21 | Tene | And the login page is http://castro.iodynamics.com/~tene/password_steal.pl |
| 00:22.45 | goozbach | Tene: that link 404s |
| 00:22.47 | goozbach | :( |
| 00:22.54 | Tene | hold on a sec. |
| 00:23.00 | Tene | seeya |
| 00:25.48 | jsmith-busy | ~gohome goozbach |
| 00:25.56 | jsmith-busy | ~send goozbach home |
| 00:25.57 | ibot | Go (.*?), goozbach |
| 00:26.21 | Tene | ~jsmith goozbach |
| 00:30.35 | goozbach | jsmith: pineapple! |
| 00:30.41 | goozbach | Tene: goodnight |
| 00:31.10 | jsmith | goozbach: I prefer mango. |
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| 00:48.04 | RedHeron | gooooooz-fra-baaaah |
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| 02:21.12 | findlay | ~seen anyone |
| 02:21.15 | ibot | anyone <n=ram@stud-vpn.umwelt-campus.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 70d 12h 43m 34s ago, saying: 'b52laptop: are you sure the new one was not matched to eth0 and the old one became eth1 ?'. |
| 02:50.54 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
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| 04:02.32 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a wet sloppy kiss |
| 04:25.06 | tyler_ | ibot, what about me |
| 04:25.07 | ibot | ACTION about me to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
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| 04:40.05 | graphyx | any here any good at wine? |
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| 04:44.32 | Tene | sinuhe was talking about it at the GL christmas party. |
| 04:44.45 | findlay | ~recurse |
| 04:44.46 | ibot | ~recurse |
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| 04:49.24 | Supaplex | graphyx: I've used it now and again. Why? |
| 04:50.34 | Sargun | what's with the odd we're hiring |
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| 05:00.14 | levi | Mmmm, an excuse to use Scala. |
| 05:02.43 | phoenix13 | Is there really 64 people here? |
| 05:02.47 | Sargun | are |
| 05:02.52 | Sargun | and no |
| 05:03.09 | Supaplex | don't expect a roll call. :) |
| 05:03.21 | phoenix13 | Just sort of surprised by how quiet it is. |
| 05:03.38 | Tene | phoenix13: there are 64 connections to the channel, but many of those are people who are idle or away from their computers. |
| 05:03.57 | Tene | Many people on IRC leave their client always connected. |
| 05:04.34 | Sargun | Or are bots |
| 05:04.38 | nonbroadcast | Most channels are usually buzzing at this time of night, though. ;) |
| 05:04.58 | nonbroadcast | I thought I heard crickets chirping, but it was phoenix13 logging in. ;) |
| 05:06.34 | rsimpkins | herlo: pong |
| 05:06.50 | rsimpkins | herlo: Hey, some people from entice are trying to get in touch with ya. |
| 05:11.46 | nonbroadcast | When are the PLUG meetings usually held? |
| 05:14.39 | Supaplex | they're posted on the plug site |
| 05:15.06 | nonbroadcast | Yeah, thought I'd get some conversing going in here, though... ;) |
| 05:15.16 | Heartsbane | rsimpkins: ya I think undertakingyou was going to handle that, herlo is going to out of town until the 19th, this weekend he is in FUDCON |
| 05:15.55 | Supaplex | nonbroadcast: granted, i'm not in the provo area often enough to know. |
| 05:16.27 | tyler_ | that's because Provo is overrated |
| 05:17.21 | Supaplex | oh comeon, all the plug members are from Provo |
| 05:17.33 | nonbroadcast | Heh |
| 05:17.51 | nonbroadcast | Is there a part of Utah that's under-rated? |
| 05:17.58 | tyler_ | Heber |
| 05:18.09 | tyler_ | or... |
| 05:18.11 | tyler_ | The boarder |
| 05:18.13 | tyler_ | border* |
| 05:18.30 | Heartsbane | What about Delta? |
| 05:18.41 | Supaplex | there's Lehi. It's rated G, but know it's atleast PG |
| 05:19.13 | Heartsbane | Supaplex: if you can stand people telling you 'I won this belt buckle' |
| 05:19.36 | Heartsbane | sorry I had to be a smart ass |
| 05:20.08 | findlay | -movierating |
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| 05:20.13 | findlay | -movietitle |
| 05:20.13 | brac | Title: COLD INJECTION III |
| 05:20.19 | findlay | -movieplot |
| 05:20.20 | brac | Summary: He's a shy guitar-strumming Green Beret who hides his scarred face behind a mask. She's an elegant Buddhist mechanic from a different time and place. They fight crime. |
| 05:20.45 | Supaplex | haha |
| 05:20.46 | phoenix13 | Is this a Rambo knockoff? |
| 05:20.53 | nonbroadcast | Nah, some Guitar Hero sequel. |
| 05:20.54 | nonbroadcast | ;) |
| 05:21.07 | Supaplex | fansub or something |
| 05:25.51 | nonbroadcast | unsigned array[] = {}; |
| 05:25.55 | nonbroadcast | What is the value of sizeof(array)? |
| 05:25.57 | nonbroadcast | No cheating. |
| 05:26.07 | findlay | depends on arch |
| 05:26.16 | nonbroadcast | Does it? ;) |
| 05:26.18 | Supaplex | 0? |
| 05:26.23 | nonbroadcast | Winner ;) |
| 05:26.26 | nonbroadcast | Do you know why? |
| 05:26.33 | findlay | is that in the spec? |
| 05:26.34 | Supaplex | it's an empty array |
| 05:26.48 | Supaplex | there's no payload in an empty array |
| 05:26.50 | findlay | hm, that sounds right |
| 05:27.06 | phoenix13 | Last programming I did was in HS for the most part and it consisted of cout << "Hello World!"; |
| 05:27.37 | nonbroadcast | See, I thought it'd be 4, assuming a 32-bit arch, but that's because I assumed that "array[]" would be treated as a pointer, but I probably thought too hard about it. |
| 05:27.52 | nonbroadcast | But yeah, it's 0. |
| 05:28.09 | nonbroadcast | I don't find myself using static arrays much. |
| 05:28.12 | phoenix13 | A friend of mine got me some perl books for my birthday so ask me some perl in a month or so. |
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| 05:28.43 | tyler_ | phoenix13: I have had the pearl blackbook for upwards of five years |
| 05:28.50 | tyler_ | I still don't know the language very well |
| 05:28.59 | nonbroadcast | Does anyone? ;) |
| 05:29.04 | phoenix13 | Well thanks for the encouragement. :) |
| 05:29.20 | tyler_ | phoenix13: well it IS on a need to learn basis if that tells you anything about perl |
| 05:29.27 | nonbroadcast | That's the beauty of Perl... |
| 05:29.41 | nonbroadcast | Yeah, you really need a project. |
| 05:29.42 | phoenix13 | Learn what you need, skip the rest? |
| 05:29.52 | nonbroadcast | Pretty much. |
| 05:30.07 | phoenix13 | I've got a project in mind to learn with. Creating configs for the network hardware at work. |
| 05:31.49 | sjansen | Perl? What's the question? |
| 05:32.29 | findlay | ~question sjansen |
| 05:33.25 | nonbroadcast | Any Objective C coders in here? |
| 05:35.47 | tyler_ | I'm a c coder but I'm more subjective |
| 05:35.55 | nonbroadcast | Haha |
| 05:36.07 | nonbroadcast | Yeah I keep wondering why they call it Computer Science... O.o |
| 05:36.13 | tyler_ | seriously :) |
| 05:36.36 | phoenix13 | And most Network Engineers don't engineer anything. :) |
| 05:37.11 | Sargun | oh |
| 05:37.15 | Sargun | Network engineering is fun |
| 05:37.24 | Sargun | we do engineer things! |
| 05:37.29 | nonbroadcast | hehe |
| 05:37.40 | nonbroadcast | Do you ever daydream about sabatoge? BoF style? |
| 05:37.52 | nonbroadcast | Like... brillo pads on the fiber ends? |
| 05:37.59 | phoenix13 | Well in my experience, limited as it is so far, you engineer it once, and then you manage it. |
| 05:38.19 | Sargun | well the engineering part if hard |
| 05:38.20 | Sargun | is |
| 05:39.50 | tyler_ | so is management if you're an msce |
| 05:40.05 | nonbroadcast | Man... this channel should filter that blasphemous word. |
| 05:40.11 | nonbroadcast | I throw MCSE resumes in the shredder. |
| 05:40.16 | sjansen | ~language tyler_ |
| 05:40.16 | ibot | ACTION grabs tyler_ by the ear and washes tyler_'s mouth out with soap |
| 05:40.19 | nonbroadcast | Hahahaha |
| 05:40.35 | phoenix13 | I got to do that with an MCDBA a while back... |
| 05:40.49 | nonbroadcast | Wash his mouth out with soap? |
| 05:40.52 | phoenix13 | Not the person, the resume. |
| 05:41.09 | phoenix13 | I don't think this guy would have fit through the paper shredder. |
| 05:42.10 | phoenix13 | I better go before I violate the Utah Online Curfew... :) |
| 05:42.52 | Sargun | haha |
| 05:49.21 | nonbroadcast | Lifesavers or Jolly Ranchers? |
| 05:56.02 | nonbroadcast | nihongo o wakarimasu ka? |
| 06:01.12 | Sargun | lifesavers |
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| 06:19.46 | Sargun | ~seen Lakshmi |
| 06:20.01 | ibot | lakshmi is currently on #utah (1d 7h 5m 17s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 9h 51m 47s, last said: 'Jayce^ wow'. |
| 06:37.57 | tyler_ | THEY'RE ON TO ME!!! |
| 06:54.23 | Sargun | o.O |
| 08:12.01 | nonbroadcast | We got a timebomb... na na na na |
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| 08:47.40 | bonez44 | if I add memory to a laptop...that is faster than OEM spec'd memory, could that cause errors? |
| 08:56.59 | Sargun | yes sir. |
| 08:57.08 | Sargun | check the laptop/mobo specs first |
| 08:58.39 | bonez44 | Sargun: therein lies the rub... |
| 08:59.00 | bonez44 | a neighbor donated the machine...it came with 256 mb ram installed... |
| 08:59.33 | bonez44 | I went and bought a 512 mb module..... I am searching everywhere....for maximum allowed memory...it shows up to 1 gb is installable and useable.. |
| 08:59.51 | bonez44 | here's what happens though....with the 256 mb in, and door closed it runs....slow, but runs... |
| 09:00.08 | bonez44 | if I put the 512 mb in the open slot and close and screw the door closoed, it won't boot |
| 09:00.48 | bonez44 | if I leave the door off it boots, but it doesn't register ALL the memory..just 480 or so, of the 769 mb that it should show installed |
| 09:01.11 | bonez44 | if I switch the modules around...and leave the door open, it boots, but doesn't change how much memory is showing available.. |
| 09:01.38 | bonez44 | if I just leave in the new 512 mb module, it only show 4xx mb and not close to 512 mb... |
| 09:02.57 | bonez44 | I believe the speed ratings for the 512mb are higher than for the 256 that was installed....do I have to have all memory modules the same speed rating and such? |
| 09:03.44 | bonez44 | Sargun: did I write too much? |
| 09:04.39 | Sargun | hm |
| 09:04.40 | Sargun | wird. |
| 09:04.49 | Sargun | I'm not a hardware guy at all |
| 09:04.51 | Sargun | but I think so |
| 09:04.53 | bonez44 | ok..... |
| 09:06.09 | Sargun | sorry |
| 09:06.41 | bonez44 | no worry |
| 09:06.54 | bonez44 | any ideas on channels to ask in? |
| 09:09.14 | Lakshmi | ~love |
| 09:09.15 | ibot | BABY DON'T HURT ME, DON'T HURT ME, NO MORE |
| 09:09.23 | Lakshmi | ~love lakshmi |
| 09:09.24 | ibot | If you love lakshmi so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 09:09.29 | Lakshmi | haha |
| 09:09.50 | Lakshmi | cause i think its illegal |
| 09:11.00 | bonez44 | most likely |
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| 12:20.13 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping again |
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| 15:23.25 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a wet sloppy kiss |
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| 16:47.26 | emcnabb | herlo: ping |
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| 16:52.03 | levi | Hmm, looks like Blu-Ray has almost won. |
| 16:55.14 | findlay | hope so |
| 16:55.20 | elg | why? |
| 16:55.26 | findlay | only because it was the bigger size :) |
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| 16:57.14 | bonez44 | is alias not static? once a system reboots, does any alias then get lost? |
| 16:58.59 | herlo | emcnabb: pong |
| 17:00.38 | herlo | emcnabb: I saw you down here, where'd you go? |
| 17:03.42 | sjansen | emcnabb is afraid of herlo? |
| 17:04.08 | tensai | bonez44: an alias lasts as long as bash is alive. if you want it in every shell, you need to put it in one of your bash rc files. |
| 17:04.32 | tensai | I can never recall which is for what, .bash_profile and .bashrc, so I put everything in .bashrc and source it from .bash_profile. |
| 17:04.53 | levi | findlay: It's also more expensive, but hopefully prices will come down. |
| 17:05.09 | herlo | sjansen: nah, he said hi |
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| 17:05.54 | sjansen | .bashrc is always loaded by bash, whereas .bash_profile is only loaded by "login" shells |
| 17:06.02 | tensai | blu-ray and hd-dvd are both losers in my book. I won't use them until the drm is cracked wide open ala dvd. |
| 17:06.10 | sjansen | a "login" shell is created when you have to.. well, uhm... login |
| 17:06.27 | sjansen | when you launch an xterm, that isn't a login so .bash_profile is ignored |
| 17:06.48 | tensai | sjansen: does a login shell also read .bashrc? |
| 17:06.52 | sjansen | although most documentation will tell you otherwise, you should usually put things in .bashrc |
| 17:07.12 | sjansen | ".bashrc is always loaded by bash" |
| 17:07.39 | sjansen | HOWEVER, you should never print anything in .bashrc that prints to the screen |
| 17:08.25 | sjansen | when a programs like scp connect, they specifically request non-login shells |
| 17:09.13 | sjansen | if you put something in .bashrc that prints to the screen, it might break programs like scp because they're not expecting the extra output |
| 17:09.44 | sjansen | I use scp as my example because it's the most common symptom I've seen. |
| 17:10.09 | Tene | http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/ -- interesting |
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| 17:21.22 | tristanbob_ | evolution is crashing 5 seconds after opening - any ideas? what log should I look in? Should I delete all recent mail that may have caused this |
| 17:24.02 | fozzmoo | For those who have been following the Glenn Beck ass-surgery story (tee hee), Glenn and his wife were on GMA this morning. You can watch video of it at http://www.glennbeck.com/ or at http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/PainManagement/story?id=4101741&page=1 |
| 17:24.36 | atoponce | emcnabb: ping |
| 17:25.50 | emcnabb | atoponce: pong |
| 17:26.00 | atoponce | emcnabb: you in NC? |
| 17:26.24 | emcnabb | atoponce: yup |
| 17:26.32 | emcnabb | I just saw herlo |
| 17:26.50 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: howdy |
| 17:26.52 | atoponce | emcnabb: tgelter and i are heading there late tomorrow. we're meeting up with herlo. we should do dinner fri night, if you have the time |
| 17:27.18 | emcnabb | atoponce: yeah, that might work, let me check with the wife (since she often makes plans) |
| 17:27.25 | atoponce | heh. np |
| 17:28.24 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: I hear you're planning on joining the Hillary4President campaign team |
| 17:28.36 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: is this true? ;-) |
| 17:29.03 | fozzmoo | If it makes her cry and claim sexism, sure. |
| 17:29.09 | sjansen | emcnabb: Please, don't get him started. It's taken forever to get fozzmoo to calm down. |
| 17:29.42 | Kemotaha | ~pacify fozzmoo |
| 17:29.46 | fozzmoo | But honestly, does anyone really think Hillary is an issue anymore? :) |
| 17:29.47 | sjansen | For the last couple months it's been "Hillary is great because..." and "I hope you're all voting Hillary because..." |
| 17:30.01 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: haha, true |
| 17:30.11 | atoponce | i think we got sjansen started |
| 17:30.19 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:30.19 | ibot | frags sjansen with his BFG9000 |
| 17:30.30 | sjansen | ~travolta emcnabb |
| 17:30.31 | ibot | ACTION replaces emcnabb with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 17:30.32 | fozzmoo | Last year, Dick Morris wrote that book, Hillary VS Condi and said Hillary was unstoppable. |
| 17:30.55 | sjansen | Oh, no, here we go. |
| 17:31.05 | sjansen | fozzmoo: We know, we know, Hillary is great. Blah blah blah. |
| 17:31.06 | fozzmoo | I just think it's funny. |
| 17:31.46 | fozzmoo | I think it's great that she's crying and stuff... it's like... she might be human or something. |
| 17:32.15 | findlay | ~trogdor sjansen with abandon |
| 17:32.16 | ibot | ACTION burninates sjansen with abandon |
| 17:32.17 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: I'm neither republican nor democratic, but that video made me want to vomit |
| 17:32.27 | Kemotaha | ~pacify fozzmoo |
| 17:32.55 | fozzmoo | Up until now, I thought she was the only one wearing pants in that family. |
| 17:33.09 | Kemotaha | ibot: pacify $fozz is $verb sticks a pacifier into $fozz's mouth. |
| 17:33.10 | ibot | Kemotaha: okay |
| 17:33.10 | bonez44 | atoponce: mate is great...I love it too |
| 17:33.14 | Kemotaha | ~pacify fozzmoo |
| 17:33.15 | ibot | $verb sticks a pacifier into fozzmoo's mouth. |
| 17:33.17 | fozzmoo | Cuz we know Bill tends to keep his off. |
| 17:33.36 | atoponce | bonez44: it's been a while since i brewed up a cup. man how i missed it. :) |
| 17:33.38 | elg | almost they make me want to learn ad |
| 17:33.40 | elg | ada even |
| 17:33.53 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.04 | findlay | what is wrong with girls fashions these days? It almost every I've seen in the past few days has been wearing super skin tight jeans. What's next just tights? |
| 17:34.11 | atoponce | my gourd is small, not allowing for a lot of water |
| 17:34.20 | findlay | stupid girls |
| 17:34.21 | bonez44 | atoponce: I need a bombilla.....at all.... |
| 17:34.23 | Kemotaha | ibot: no, pacify $fozz is <action> sticks a pacifier into $fozz's mouth. |
| 17:34.24 | ibot | okay, Kemotaha |
| 17:34.27 | elg | login shells do NOT read .bashrc by default |
| 17:34.28 | Kemotaha | ~pacify fozzmoo |
| 17:34.28 | ibot | ACTION sticks a pacifier into fozzmoo's mouth. |
| 17:34.31 | levi | elg: Ada is the anti-Ruby, though. |
| 17:34.39 | elg | unless you (or the sysadmin, aka package maintainer) source it explicitly in the profile |
| 17:34.43 | atoponce | bonez44: i think there are some places in SLC that sell them, but i have yet to find a store |
| 17:34.51 | bonez44 | findlay: they think it's funny .. a few can and should dress that way, but most shouldn't wear anything tighter than a tent |
| 17:35.04 | bonez44 | atoponce: I think Good Earth sells them..... |
| 17:35.10 | findlay | that's a funny expression |
| 17:35.35 | levi | findlay: There's a YouTube video of some girl and her friends trying to get a pair of those super-tight jeans off. |
| 17:35.48 | atoponce | good earth... hmmm |
| 17:35.52 | findlay | I'm all for a girl dressing stylishly and attractively, but not like a prostitute |
| 17:35.59 | sjansen | elg: Argh, you're right. |
| 17:36.10 | findlay | does no one have a concept of modesty anymore? |
| 17:36.12 | levi | findlay: I don't think it would be practical for a prostitute to wear super-tight jeans. |
| 17:36.50 | tensai | elg: that's what I seemed to recall too, but I've never experimented to see the exact behavior |
| 17:37.01 | elg | findlay: nope, not even you |
| 17:37.17 | findlay | yay, not even me |
| 17:37.27 | findlay | what am I not even again? |
| 17:37.36 | tensai | findlay: hillary |
| 17:37.41 | fozzmoo | Kemotaha: ??? |
| 17:37.42 | elg | tensai: ya, it's pretty clearly laid out in the INVOCATION section of the manpage |
| 17:37.43 | sjansen | OBAMA! |
| 17:37.47 | findlay | oh, yeah, that |
| 17:37.54 | levi | findlay: Not even posessing a concept of modesty, I think. |
| 17:38.06 | findlay | levi: what does that mean? |
| 17:38.35 | tensai | so why is sjansen talking about hillary in tight jeans? |
| 17:38.37 | Kemotaha | fozzmoo: sjansen's comment made me think of a great thing to put in ibot and you became the test subject |
| 17:38.59 | elg | levi: that may be, but I wouldn't be learning it for the next big general purpose language, but rather because of all the codemonkey jobs I can think of, coding avionics is about as interesting (to me) as it gets |
| 17:39.01 | sjansen | John McCain in tight jeans! |
| 17:39.06 | fozzmoo | ewwww |
| 17:39.17 | sjansen | Fred Thompson in tight jeans eating hot grits! |
| 17:39.28 | Kemotaha | John McCain with an extra tight collar |
| 17:39.44 | findlay | yeah, I got them started :) |
| 17:39.54 | atoponce | sweet! there's a good earth store in riverdale. i'll have to stop by tonight, and see if they sell bombillas and gourds |
| 17:40.08 | Kemotaha | You ever noticed that Arizona produces some whacked out politicians |
| 17:40.24 | tensai | nothing good has ever come out of the southwest |
| 17:41.11 | sjansen | I don't know, vontrapp ain't half bad. |
| 17:41.23 | Kemotaha | give hime time |
| 17:41.33 | elg | hey, what about me? |
| 17:41.58 | elg | but fugals aside (since all the ones you know weren't born in the SW, actually) |
| 17:41.59 | tensai | elg: yes, you're at least half bad too |
| 17:42.02 | elg | green chile |
| 17:42.06 | elg | case closed |
| 17:43.08 | elg | tensai: I thought I was more than half, but ok |
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| 17:44.25 | levi | elg: Well, if you can handle learning a statically typed language, you should give it a shot. Last time you looked at one, though, you were ranting and raving about syntax within seconds. ;) |
| 17:44.30 | Jayce^ | levi, it's like a topic designed just for you (re language thread on plug) |
| 17:44.54 | levi | Yeah, fun! |
| 17:45.24 | levi | I'm planning on writing my compiler for my compiler construction class in Scala, btw. |
| 17:45.50 | elg | levi: i always rant, rave, and thrash when learning a new language |
| 17:45.52 | Jayce^ | man, I wish they'd had that class when I was there |
| 17:45.53 | tensai | elg: did I ever mention that I'm using your ruby version of spc? |
| 17:46.02 | elg | figuring out what I hate about it is part of the learning process. and part of the fun |
| 17:46.31 | levi | elg: Well, you are certain to find plenty to hate about Ada, especially in the syntax department. It's very verbose. |
| 17:46.57 | elg | cool. I'll be sure and drink some antikoolaid before I start |
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| 17:47.05 | elg | but I won't start any time soon |
| 17:48.20 | levi | So little time to learn languages.... :( |
| 17:48.56 | sjansen | levi: Why scala? |
| 17:49.26 | elg | scala looks sufficiently cool to learn |
| 17:49.43 | sjansen | Lately I've been learning Parrot and making tiny improvements to the lolcode parser. The Parrot Compiler Tools are sweet. |
| 17:50.01 | levi | sjansen: It's a functional/object hybrid language with lots of syntactic flexibility and trivial integration with Java libraries. |
| 17:50.39 | levi | sjansen: Functional languages are excellent for writing compilers, and having the wealth of Java libraries at my fingertips will be handy. |
| 17:51.32 | levi | I also want to get familiar with Scala so I can play with the lift web app framework more effectively. |
| 17:52.46 | elg | levi: I think faceboy has made it pretty obvious that catalyst is teh last word on web frameworks |
| 17:53.14 | levi | faceboy? |
| 17:53.20 | sjansen | UncleJesse |
| 17:53.26 | levi | Oh, heh. |
| 17:53.42 | levi | I should go work for him! He wants to pay lots of money! :P |
| 17:54.54 | Jayce^ | ugh, his catalyst skillz are... umm.. well do really need to say? |
| 17:55.15 | elg | Jayce^: I think you do not |
| 17:55.26 | Jayce^ | why oh why did I have to get him started in Perl... :( |
| 17:55.57 | elg | but it's *real CS* |
| 17:59.04 | levi | My primary Firefox window keeps becoming unclickable. |
| 17:59.17 | tensai | Jayce^: there there. you were only doing what you thought was best. |
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| 18:06.03 | findlay | levi: upgrade to the ff3 beta :) |
| 18:07.07 | findlay | speaking of perl |
| 18:07.15 | findlay | I have this statement that says: system "echo \"~PS\" | nc 10.0.0.184 9100\0"; |
| 18:07.21 | levi | The whole 'social optimization' idea sounds slimy to me. |
| 18:07.25 | findlay | but the script hangs on that line |
| 18:07.42 | findlay | what did I do wrong? Why isn't the system command completing? |
| 18:08.04 | findlay | it'll only continue on if I hit ^c |
| 18:08.50 | rsimpkins | herlo: pong2 |
| 18:09.11 | findlay | are there any better ways to say the same thing (in perl)? |
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| 18:09.16 | elg | levi: social optimization? |
| 18:10.10 | levi | elg: Like search engine optimization, but with social networking sites. |
| 18:10.43 | elg | e.g. how to be the popular girl in school? |
| 18:10.49 | emcnabb | herlo, atoponce, jsmith I've gotten an ACK for Friday night |
| 18:11.05 | elg | NACK |
| 18:11.09 | elg | what's friday? |
| 18:11.18 | emcnabb | elg: you're not invited |
| 18:11.21 | emcnabb | only cool people |
| 18:11.24 | elg | are you guys having a southern not-utah #utah party? |
| 18:11.25 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:11.43 | emcnabb | a North Carolina party, possibly |
| 18:11.44 | elg | i could go stand in the snow for a few minutes |
| 18:11.47 | elg | then I'd be cool |
| 18:11.59 | emcnabb | elg: oh, that sounds like a good idea :-) |
| 18:12.10 | emcnabb | I hear it's best bare-footed |
| 18:13.19 | findlay | would Net::TCP work? |
| 18:15.21 | tensai | findlay: iirc nc doesn't stop unless you give it a SIGINT. try with -w |
| 18:20.12 | goozbach | this weekend? |
| 18:20.19 | goozbach | I could drive to NC |
| 18:20.31 | emcnabb | goozbach: you could probably stay at our place |
| 18:20.33 | emcnabb | free |
| 18:21.03 | emcnabb | we have a guest room upstairs |
| 18:22.01 | findlay | tensai: well, I've been using it on the command line and have never had to do that |
| 18:22.11 | findlay | but thanks |
| 18:22.25 | goozbach | emcnabb: how long is the drive from ATL? |
| 18:22.35 | emcnabb | 6 hrs or so |
| 18:22.53 | emcnabb | it's a long drive, but definitely doable for a weekend |
| 18:23.00 | emcnabb | we do it all the time :-) |
| 18:23.06 | goozbach | it'd be easier if the meetup was on saturday |
| 18:23.07 | elg | goozbach: you should know that emcnabb has hidden surveillance cameras in his spare room |
| 18:23.18 | emcnabb | elg: haha |
| 18:23.31 | goozbach | elg, i've done enough contersurveillance to find em |
| 18:23.34 | elg | and mind readers |
| 18:23.37 | elg | so bring your tinfoil |
| 18:23.43 | goozbach | duly noted. |
| 18:23.49 | goozbach | wasnt aware of those |
| 18:24.03 | goozbach | now to convince Charity... |
| 18:24.05 | goozbach | hmm |
| 18:24.11 | emcnabb | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=atlanta&daddr=raleigh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=53.477264,69.521484&ie=UTF8&z=7&om=1 |
| 18:24.15 | emcnabb | goozbach: ^^^ |
| 18:24.18 | goozbach | just did that |
| 18:25.26 | levi | elg: That's what Jesse's company is about. |
| 18:26.00 | levi | Sorry, had to reboot to fix some odd network problem. |
| 18:26.07 | emcnabb | goozbach: your call - free room and board if you'd like |
| 18:29.30 | goozbach | elg: you know what you can do to distract mind reading devices? |
| 18:29.35 | goozbach | bring along a pug |
| 18:30.00 | goozbach | they project a bogon field that encompasses all in the room |
| 18:30.10 | findlay | tensai: this is odd. I can do `echo "~PS" | nc 10.0.0.184 9100` on a server and it works. However, when I do it on my workstation it hangs |
| 18:34.35 | goozbach | jsmith: you are going to be in Raliegh as well? |
| 18:37.21 | jsmith | goozbach: Of course! |
| 18:37.30 | rsimpkins | <!-- This is a subliminal message. You will come to PLUG tomorrow night at 7:30. --> |
| 18:39.59 | Tene | rsimpkins: it looks like you said something, but there's no content there. I don't understand. |
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| 18:40.58 | goozbach | tensai: interesting question. |
| 18:41.02 | tensai | <script language="javascript">alert('pwned!');</script> |
| 18:41.41 | goozbach | <script language="javascript">alert('hello world');</script> |
| 18:41.47 | rsimpkins | Tene: !FNORD! |
| 18:41.49 | goozbach | oh you beat me to it |
| 18:42.00 | goozbach | ~logs |
| 18:42.00 | ibot | logs is, like, apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 18:42.36 | findlay | haha |
| 18:42.49 | goozbach | we have to wait until tomorrow? |
| 18:42.51 | goozbach | bah |
| 18:43.02 | goozbach | ~seen timriker |
| 18:43.06 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 18h 50m 47s ago, saying: 'Winny: just my luck.'. |
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| 18:43.12 | goozbach | ~seen TimRiker |
| 18:43.13 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 18h 50m 54s ago, saying: 'Winny: just my luck.'. |
| 18:43.32 | goozbach | ahh so seen is case insensitive |
| 18:45.02 | findlay | ~seen FiNdLaY |
| 18:45.03 | ibot | findlay is currently on #asterisk (8d 9h 37m 22s) #utah (8d 9h 37m 22s) #ubuntu-us-ut (8d 9h 37m 22s). Has said a total of 320 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen FiNdLaY'. |
| 18:47.52 | unum | so can someone tell me the proper way to do the following: |
| 18:48.04 | unum | WHILE((<LOGFILE>)&&(substr($_,0,4)!=$employee_id)){ |
| 18:48.56 | unum | brb |
| 18:49.52 | goozbach | unum: I'm guessing perl? |
| 18:49.59 | goozbach | what language? |
| 18:51.36 | findlay | looks like Sanskrit |
| 18:52.13 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
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| 18:54.14 | sjansen | goozbach: Not exactly. I think ibot is on a server in GMT so you only have to wait until tomorrow GMT. |
| 18:54.47 | findlay | ~date |
| 18:54.48 | ibot | It is now 2008.01.08 18:54:48 GMT |
| 18:55.14 | Jayce^ | unum, what are you actually trying to accomplish? |
| 18:55.32 | findlay | heh |
| 18:55.37 | findlay | paste and run :) |
| 18:56.19 | Jayce^ | are you intending for it to loop through a file, and take action if the current line doesn't begin with a certian ID? |
| 18:56.26 | Jayce^ | or until. |
| 18:57.57 | tensai | sjansen: that's correct |
| 18:58.35 | Sargun | hi |
| 18:58.39 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Do you have any announcments for PLUG? |
| 18:58.47 | Jayce^ | no |
| 18:58.47 | rsimpkins | Or - does anyone? |
| 18:59.03 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: I like cheese. |
| 18:59.44 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Mmkay, well. E-mail me the type of cheese, when the cheese happens, who is invited to cheese with you, and where people can get more info about the cheese... please. |
| 18:59.59 | tensai | -chat cheese |
| 18:59.59 | brac | cheese is good for you |
| 19:00.47 | findlay | -chat tensai |
| 19:00.47 | brac | tensai did his taxes |
| 19:00.52 | findlay | -chat Tene |
| 19:00.53 | brac | Tene had his nipples pierced in the movies |
| 19:00.57 | findlay | ouch |
| 19:01.15 | rsimpkins | Must have been some amazing movie! |
| 19:01.22 | Tene | Oh, it as. |
| 19:01.25 | tensai | -movieplot |
| 19:01.26 | brac | Summary: He's a scrappy day-dreaming librarian who dotes on his loving old ma. She's a man-hating Bolivian college professor living on borrowed time. They fight crime. |
| 19:01.58 | tensai | scrappy day-dreaming librarian *with pierced nipples* |
| 19:01.59 | herlo | emcnabb: what does that mean? |
| 19:02.09 | herlo | ACK for friday night, that is |
| 19:02.20 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 19:02.21 | rsimpkins | herlo: Hey. :) |
| 19:02.24 | herlo | hi |
| 19:03.27 | Sargun | Hi |
| 19:03.27 | goozbach | herlo: SYN for Saturday night |
| 19:03.40 | herlo | goozbach: you coming to Raleigh? |
| 19:04.01 | goozbach | I'm trying to figure out the logistics |
| 19:04.06 | goozbach | but... perhaps |
| 19:05.30 | herlo | goozbach: nice |
| 19:05.43 | herlo | goozbach: emcnabb will be so happy |
| 19:05.51 | unum | Jayce^: I want to iterate through a file and then stop when the first part of the line matches a certain string |
| 19:05.58 | unum | so I should be using eq.... |
| 19:07.20 | Sargun | I dislike SELinux. |
| 19:08.09 | unum | and yes it is perl |
| 19:08.45 | emcnabb | herlo: ACK = Acknowledge = Good to go |
| 19:09.00 | unum | then I want to store the string and exit the loop |
| 19:09.23 | Jayce^ | why not just use a grep |
| 19:10.04 | unum | I guess that work work |
| 19:10.15 | emcnabb | so is Jayce^ still the ruthless dictator around here? |
| 19:10.22 | unum | I keep trying to perl as a real programming language instead a shell scripting language... |
| 19:10.37 | Jayce^ | man, tempting to kick, just for old times sake |
| 19:10.50 | unum | so you mean use the tick to run the shell command grep |
| 19:10.51 | emcnabb | Jayce^: cool it, buddy |
| 19:10.54 | Jayce^ | unum, and how is that not? grep is a powerful built-in tool |
| 19:10.57 | unum | and store the result? |
| 19:11.05 | Jayce^ | uh, no, there is a grep command in perl.. |
| 19:11.12 | Jayce^ | perldoc -f grep |
| 19:11.54 | unum | from looking at that I need to load the whole file into an array |
| 19:12.24 | unum | s/array/list |
| 19:12.53 | unum | which isn't a major concern in this case, but I thought it was general discourace in perl |
| 19:12.54 | Jayce^ | yeah, if it's a big file you might stream process, but given a simple file, it might be what you want |
| 19:13.07 | jsmith | herlo: You should have reminded me *before* I left home... |
| 19:13.33 | Jayce^ | unum, it's something you think about in any language.. no different, depends on the total application |
| 19:14.03 | unum | but php has such a nice easy way to do it.... I tend to not even think about it |
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| 19:14.14 | unum | but I think most php developers tend not think :) |
| 19:14.21 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 19:14.32 | Jayce^ | there are lots of easy ways, some are better suited to certain tasks |
| 19:14.59 | Jayce^ | if you are piping, or stream processing, you might be doing a while(<>) { } |
| 19:15.16 | Jayce^ | but dont' do it from a substr, which is slower overall |
| 19:15.43 | Jayce^ | unless you use a certain version of recent perls that had some new work done |
| 19:15.47 | RedHeron | Hey, watch it with the slurs about PHP developers! |
| 19:16.18 | Jayce^ | just do a return $line if $line =~ m/^$id/ |
| 19:16.20 | redbeard2 | ~slur php |
| 19:16.41 | Jayce^ | or whatever break context you are using |
| 19:16.49 | Jayce^ | ~lart php developers |
| 19:16.49 | ibot | runs at php developers with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 19:16.56 | Kemotaha | jsmith: I think he wants you to spend your money so he can have some fun |
| 19:17.35 | Kemotaha | Thinking is overrated |
| 19:17.50 | RedHeron | Make that most PEOPLE in general don't think |
| 19:18.22 | RedHeron | For example, programming starts with the end result. |
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| 19:18.40 | RedHeron | Yet most people think they can know what it looks like or what it does when they get there. |
| 19:18.50 | RedHeron | Therefore, UI design is completely neglected. |
| 19:19.36 | RedHeron | In the cases with a good UI, there are missing features. |
| 19:20.12 | RedHeron | Where the features are good, the combination of UI and features bog down the program because they were too busy trying to make it work like everyone else says it should. |
| 19:20.46 | RedHeron | Bugs are introduced that cannot be fixed because people don't take the time to RTFM. |
| 19:21.20 | RedHeron | Or they are never taught a right way to do something, so they take unnecessary shortcuts. |
| 19:21.33 | atoponce | emcnabb: sweet |
| 19:21.58 | RedHeron | Programmers who think about everything like that don't have time to program. |
| 19:22.07 | RedHeron | Software is doomed. |
| 19:22.21 | rsimpkins | RedHeron: It's amazing anyone ships a line of code. I know. :) |
| 19:22.21 | atoponce | emcnabb: so, you, me, herlo, jsmith, goozbach and tgelter? |
| 19:23.13 | rsimpkins | The leangth of your program is proportional to the idiocy of your users. |
| 19:23.15 | atoponce | that'll be quite the party! :) |
| 19:24.49 | emcnabb | atoponce: sounds good |
| 19:26.46 | RedHeron | rsimpkins: No code is so complete as to be idiot-proof. |
| 19:27.12 | rsimpkins | RedHeron: Unless it is infinitly long. :) |
| 19:27.42 | RedHeron | rsimpkins: The two most common things in the universe: hydrogen and stupidity. |
| 19:27.54 | rsimpkins | The two truths: Death and taxes. |
| 19:28.35 | RedHeron | Thus, life is a disease that causes stupidity and results in death after paying a tax? |
| 19:28.50 | rsimpkins | Only after writing an infinitly long program. |
| 19:29.22 | RedHeron | Well, then life would be infinite... thus the universe itself would be an infinite program. |
| 19:29.46 | rsimpkins | Thus safley encapsulating the idoiots - allowing them to breed. |
| 19:30.23 | rsimpkins | Take the blue pill. |
| 19:30.42 | RedHeron | Crap! Already took the red one. I think... I don't really recall. |
| 19:36.19 | herlo | Total Recall |
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| 19:54.44 | goozbach | ✔ |
| 19:54.49 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:54.56 | goozbach | my irssi is borken |
| 19:55.01 | goozbach | or is it screen? |
| 19:55.03 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:56.06 | Heartsbane | borken how? |
| 19:59.33 | goozbach | unicode support |
| 19:59.39 | goozbach | ሴ |
| 20:03.22 | goozbach | ⁂ |
| 20:03.26 | findlay | argh! |
| 20:03.31 | goozbach | that char is an "asterism" |
| 20:03.40 | findlay | this stupid printer will accept commands from some hosts but not from others |
| 20:03.53 | findlay | and it won't tell me why |
| 20:05.33 | goozbach | ⌨ |
| 20:06.39 | RedHeron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.47 | goozbach | that's a keyboard |
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| 20:08.54 | goozbach | I'm guessing it's my host |
| 20:11.15 | findlay | heh, so one hosts takes less than a second and another takes 2 minutes to get a 4 byte packet across the local network |
| 20:11.40 | RedHeron | Ouch |
| 20:11.50 | findlay | the printer is just being stupid |
| 20:12.07 | RedHeron | Reboot printer? |
| 20:12.19 | findlay | no good |
| 20:12.54 | RedHeron | Replace RAM? |
| 20:13.20 | RedHeron | Drop it from 46,000 feet? |
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| 20:15.41 | findlay | with or without dns name, so it's not that |
| 20:16.31 | findlay | ooh, now I get a Connection refused |
| 20:16.39 | findlay | stupid proprietary hardware |
| 20:17.33 | RedHeron | Appletalk? |
| 20:17.52 | findlay | echo "~PS" | nc barcode-printer 9100 |
| 20:17.56 | findlay | so, TCP/IP |
| 20:18.14 | RedHeron | I mean, is the printer possibly trying multiple protocols. |
| 20:18.27 | findlay | well it knows IPX |
| 20:18.32 | findlay | maybe I can disable that |
| 20:18.41 | RedHeron | Yes, do disable IPX. |
| 20:19.05 | findlay | hah, no more netware |
| 20:19.42 | RedHeron | Long as netware isn't in use, it's a liability anyway. |
| 20:25.46 | findlay | well, still doesn't work |
| 20:30.08 | findlay | ah |
| 20:30.31 | findlay | hm, this may have to do with multiple hosts contacting it simultaneously |
| 20:31.05 | elg | I just saw an amusing commercial |
| 20:31.12 | findlay | nope |
| 20:31.23 | findlay | still as stubborn as ever |
| 20:31.53 | elg | old lady says "as of feb 19 2009 there are no analog tv transmissions" (paraphrased), and then goes on to explain that if you have an analog TV your TV won't work unless you have cable |
| 20:32.06 | findlay | hahaha |
| 20:32.26 | elg | nevermind that you can buy a digital converter for probably the cost of one, maybe two months of cable subscription |
| 20:33.01 | elg | still, it made me aware of the dtv transition |
| 20:33.09 | elg | i was magically unaware of it |
| 20:33.31 | elg | http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/ |
| 20:33.32 | brac | [NTIA: Digital TV Transition and Public Safety] |
| 20:34.03 | elg | http://dtv.gov/ |
| 20:34.05 | brac | [DIGITAL TELEVISION (DTV) Tomorrow's TV Today!] |
| 20:36.06 | findlay | what is this printer doing? |
| 20:36.14 | findlay | man |
| 20:36.25 | findlay | the thing is crazy |
| 20:37.33 | findlay | hm, so I figured how to transfer the data but then it doesn't close the connection |
| 20:42.08 | findlay | guess I'm going to take advantage of netcat's timeout option (thanks tensai) |
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| 20:44.09 | unum | I feel better now |
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| 20:50.37 | Tene | Teaching is fun. :) |
| 20:50.40 | Tene | ibot: teaching++ |
| 20:51.36 | findlay | ~teach Tene |
| 20:54.14 | emcnabb | http://lineout.thestranger.com/2007/12/speaking_of_moshing |
| 20:54.15 | brac | [Speaking of Moshing... | Line Out | The Stranger's Music Blog | The Stranger | Seattle's Only Newspaper] |
| 20:57.48 | redbeard2 | tasty domains |
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| 21:05.45 | vontrapp | what command does darwin use to add users to groups? |
| 21:08.42 | herlo | useradd |
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| 21:11.52 | vontrapp | tis really weird, i can't find even the groups file |
| 21:12.06 | vontrapp | adduser,addgroup,useradd, all to no avail |
| 21:12.16 | Tene | vontrapp: no groups file... |
| 21:12.51 | vontrapp | there's a group file |
| 21:13.01 | vontrapp | but that just defines the groups, not who's in em |
| 21:14.52 | tensai | vontrapp: darwin doesn't add users to groups. you have to wait for natural selection to take its course. |
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| 21:15.49 | rsimpkins | elg: ping |
| 21:15.59 | elg | pong |
| 21:17.31 | vontrapp | poing |
| 21:17.51 | vontrapp | so what creature do i have to kill to prove my fitness? |
| 21:20.47 | tyler_ | at least three wolves, an undead mercenary, two spiders, and twelve gnome miners |
| 21:28.10 | vontrapp | on a side note, anyone know how to get a list of the upcoming recordings out of a mythtv backend? |
| 21:31.55 | emcnabb | vontrapp: gpasswd? |
| 21:32.30 | vontrapp | emcnabb: no such command |
| 21:33.04 | fozzmoo | Wha? |
| 21:33.08 | fozzmoo | MY distribution has gpasswd. :) |
| 21:33.24 | vontrapp | this stupid darwin box has NO commands |
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| 21:34.05 | vontrapp | the other guy here finaly ended up doing some archane command that edited some database directly, then had to reboot for it to take effect :/ |
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| 22:38.12 | herlo | http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tirppa.jpg |
| 22:39.03 | rsimpkins | herlo: I guess he just wanted to be on TV. |
| 22:39.54 | herlo | rsimpkins: pretty neat if you ask me |
| 22:40.46 | findlay | does anybody know how to get a blackberry to sync with google apps? |
| 22:43.05 | jsmith | findlay: funambol? |
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| 22:45.09 | findlay | jsmith: huh? |
| 22:46.06 | jsmith | findlay: Can you use funambol to sync between your blackberry and google apps? |
| 22:47.28 | findlay | jsmith: this is a windows box, if that makes a difference |
| 22:48.25 | jsmith | Ugh |
| 22:50.08 | findlay | google doesn't show up in the applications that blackberry advertises it can sync with |
| 22:50.23 | findlay | on the windows blackberry application thing |
| 22:51.46 | findlay | http://www.gcalsync.com/ |
| 22:51.48 | brac | [GCALSYNC - synchronize your phone with Google |
| 22:51.49 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.52 | jsmith | findlay: The blackberry does SyncML from what I understand, so you need Funambol or some other SyncML server. Obviously this is assuming that Google Apps will do SyncML as well |
| 22:53.06 | jsmith | findlay: The problem with gcalsync is that you have to give them your credentials |
| 22:53.13 | findlay | hm |
| 22:54.13 | findlay | http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/users/mobile.html |
| 22:54.14 | brac | [Google Apps] |
| 22:54.26 | findlay | but that says that you cn sync your blackberry with google apps |
| 22:54.31 | findlay | I just can't find out how |
| 22:54.57 | jsmith | findlay: Did you try going to google.com/m from your blackberry? |
| 22:55.11 | findlay | not yet |
| 22:55.14 | jsmith | findlay: It looks like Funambol will run on Windows, fwiw |
| 23:02.55 | goozbach | ~oops unum |
| 23:02.56 | ibot | oh bother, I messed up and deleted unum |
| 23:03.52 | unum | goozbach: the swampfox is the it manager |
| 23:04.16 | goozbach | hehe |
| 23:05.57 | goozbach | looks safe, he hasn't said anything for 180 days |
| 23:06.31 | unum | swampfox0866 |
| 23:06.41 | unum | he asked a question yesterday |
| 23:06.55 | unum | we still haven't really figured that out |
| 23:07.01 | unum | he figured out a work around |
| 23:07.21 | tensai | unum: but now you said his name and alerted him :) |
| 23:07.26 | unum | he forgot his password rfor the swampfox account |
| 23:07.34 | findlay | jsmith: fumabol has this huge download. What does it do? There's no explanations as to what theo downloads are for |
| 23:08.28 | Jayce^ | levi, got some new languages for you to learn... http://www.jumbojoke.com/littleknown_computer_languages_1351.html |
| 23:08.35 | brac | [Little-Known Computer Languages] |
| 23:09.05 | goozbach | debianistas: how do I find out the package that owns a file on my filesystem? |
| 23:14.54 | findlay | goozbach: which system? |
| 23:15.03 | findlay | s/system/distro/ |
| 23:16.44 | goozbach | debian etch |
| 23:16.51 | goozbach | nm I found the root answer |
| 23:17.05 | goozbach | Class/groups.pm is in OO-Tools |
| 23:17.09 | findlay | dpkg -i | grep -i <pkgname> |
| 23:17.26 | findlay | man dpkg-query |
| 23:17.56 | findlay | dpkg -l | grep -i <pkgname> |
| 23:21.43 | findlay | jsmith: besides, it looks like google sync works when you navigate to the google apps mobile page on the phone |
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| 23:36.21 | ibot | greets fozzmoo with a wet sloppy kiss |
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