IRC log for #utah on 20080101

00:22.06SupaplexLakshmi: greetings, and happy preemptive new year :)
00:22.19Lakshmithank you and you too
00:22.26Tenehi Lakshmi
00:23.15Lakshmihi Tene !!
00:23.21Lakshmiyay autocomplete worky!
00:24.49Lakshminice
00:44.40Sarguner
00:44.41SargunIs there an easy way to overload open (syscall)
00:47.39Supaplexrun a truck into it? oh wait. nm
01:05.26Sargunhahha
01:06.54Lakshmilol
01:23.54SupaplexLakshmi: still looking for that truck?
01:24.47sontekrsimpkins: glad you like it ;)
01:24.48Lakshmiyeha
01:24.59sontekrsimpkins: spent *hours* on it :D
01:37.43Supaplexhttp://tiny.cc/IAohd
01:37.44brac[Tiny URL - Shorten Your Web Address]
01:41.17sontekI don't trust your tiny url's!
01:44.51rsimpkinssontek: It took me hours to appreciate it. ;)
01:46.31Supaplexsontek: uh ok, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=357742216600604152&q=the+easter+bunny+hates+you&total=365&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
01:50.29sontekSupaplex: thanks! Thats a real man's URL
01:50.40sontekSupaplex: TinyURL is for girls!
01:51.03findlaytinyurl has a major problem:
01:51.21findlaythe url never tells you anything whatsoever about where you're going
01:52.00findlaythe Real Solution is for servers not to devalue the URL with session data garbage
01:52.55findlayor if you want tinyurl, it ought to allow for you to insert your own custom tag
01:57.00tensaifindlay: that's a good idea. it doesn't solve the trust problem though, as you could put whatever you want in the tag.
01:57.38findlaytensai: that's true
01:58.54tensaiit would be simple to ignore url parameters, such as tinyurl.com/6?foo. but tinyurl breaks when you do that
01:59.09tensaitiny.cc seems to work
01:59.15findlayso maybe we need a new tinyurl
01:59.29mrpull-lttiny url does have a preview mode
01:59.40findlaycall it findlayssupercoolasticurlshorteningservice.com
02:09.31vontrappdarn flash froze my compy
02:09.46vontrappyou could at least use real tinyurl, so at least brac would tell you the proper title
02:09.51mrpull-ltvontrapp: it is amazing that flash + ff can cause any OS to crash and burn
02:09.55mrpull-lthow is that and why?
02:10.20vontrapptinyurl points directly to the page, so when brac dl and parses, he gets the title of _the_ web page
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02:10.26vontrappnot the ad-filled go-between page
02:13.42findlayflash refers to the perturbation for combustion, obviously.  Therefore, when it flashes the concussion will take out all SW within 100,000 LOC
02:15.33findlayhi
02:15.52vontrappbye
02:16.06vontrapp~say /kick sargun
02:16.07ibot/kick sargun
02:16.24findlayheh
02:22.43Lakshmihehe
02:27.14Lakshmi2 people
02:27.17Lakshmi2 whole people
02:27.20Lakshmiwhose proud/;
02:27.21Lakshmi?
02:46.56findlayugh
02:47.04findlaythis class wants *4* books
02:50.51findlayhm, the other seciton only has three but one of the books is suspect
03:00.07findlayblackboard suxorz
03:00.13findlaykeeps crashing firefox
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03:18.12linuxalienHappy Nude Year!
03:18.15linuxalienalmost
03:25.35Lakshmilol
03:25.51linuxalienI should go play guitar hero with the fam
03:25.57linuxalienI prefer mario kart but oh well. :P
03:26.02linuxalienbbl
03:45.17findlaymario kart is like the funnest game evar
03:45.20findlay~mariokart
03:45.23findlay~mario kart
03:45.40findlayibot: mariokart is the most funnest game evar
03:45.40ibotfindlay: okay
04:14.14tensai~lart tensai's son for losing mario kart
04:14.14ibotburns tensai's son to a crisp with a laser for losing mario kart
04:49.07findlay~rachmanninov tensai
05:05.53goozbachhappy new year
05:06.10goozbachfrom the east coast
05:06.54findlayhappy 10:00 PM!
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05:17.26findlay~shakespeare RedHeron
05:17.27ibotACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: RedHeron - Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon!
05:18.25RedHeronWhy did that sound more like Grimm than Shakespeare?
05:18.32findlay:(
05:18.51findlay~liter cmd: shakespeare (.*?)
05:19.03findlay~literal cmd: shakespeare (.*?)
05:19.04ibot"cmd: shakespeare (.*?)" is "($1): <action> stands up and quotes Shakespeare: $1 - (Thou reeky earth-vexing dewberry!|Thou impertinent elf-skinned scullian!|Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon!|Would thou wert clean enough to spit upon!|Thou tottering pottle-deep moldwarp!|$1's brain is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage.)"
05:19.47RedHeronYeah, Grimm... as in Mandy.
05:22.18findlayme too
05:23.06RedHeronI think the "Thou pribbling" quote is the only really problematic one.
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05:51.33rsimpkinsundertakingyou: Around?
05:54.14Lakshmiholas
05:58.53findlayyay, I'm older than TCP/IP
06:26.26findlaywhat did the world do before TCP/IP?
06:26.33findlayhow did people survive?
06:26.42findlaysounds dangerous
06:26.50findlayit's a miracle I survived
06:30.01fozzmooThey just used IP.
06:46.10Lakshmifozzmoo
06:46.12Lakshmisup
06:46.17Lakshmihappy new year to all here btw
06:46.27fozzmooHey Lakshmi.
06:46.39Lakshmihowd the dvd thing work for you
06:46.39fozzmooA drug that could do for women what Viagra has done for men is being tested at the University of Virginia.
06:46.39Lakshmi?
06:47.00fozzmooIt almost worked perfectly. :)
06:48.01fozzmoo"LibiGel comes in a pump bottle. The woman rubs the small dot of gel into the skin of her upper arm. Over the next 24 hours, the gel's testosterone seeps into her bloodstream, boosting her energy and libido."
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06:54.38linuxalienNYE is almost here
06:54.56findlayNew York Express!
06:55.00findlayright?
06:55.08linuxalienhaha
06:55.10linuxalienYeah ;)
07:00.34RedHeronHappy New Year!
07:01.38findlay~lart last year
07:01.38ibottakes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in last year's direction, hitting last year and sending last year flying into the closet
07:02.39Lakshmi~lart sargun
07:02.39ibotbeats the living hamstercrap out of sargun
07:12.55linuxalienHappy New Year!
07:28.24fozzmooHappy Frickin' New year.
07:40.39herlofricking watch your mouth fozzmoo
07:41.41fozzmooFrack you, herlo.
07:42.05herlo~frack fozzmoo
07:43.01herlonappy yew hear
07:58.53Lakshmifindlay
07:58.56Lakshmihey
07:58.58Lakshmifine
07:59.03Lakshmisigh
07:59.04Lakshmihere goes
08:01.57Lakshmiyou have a job that your workin on attempted full time you have college and your not doing well in college you have a gf that expects you to talk to her for a long time and expects you to see her for at least 2 hours everday you dont live wiht the gf you live wiht the parents
08:02.07Lakshmiwho wants to be that guy?!
08:12.06Sargunfozzmoo, opinion?
08:17.48fozzmooHappy New Year to the two lovers in CA! :-D
08:18.54Sargunhaha
08:20.10fozzmooWell, my opinion is two fold.
08:20.51fozzmooFirst, Lakshmi needs to get some interests independent of Sargun (and stupid fluff magazines)
08:21.14fozzmooSecond, Sargun needs to be more appreciative of Lakshmi's adoration. :)
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09:33.19linuxalienMerry Xmas!
09:34.36Sargunhey linuxalien merry christmas
09:42.08linuxalienhehe Happy New Year
09:42.15linuxalienI'm out of it
10:09.19Sargunhwy
10:09.21SargunLakshmi, drunk?
10:09.26Sargunlinuxalien, drunk?
10:09.35linuxalienNope, just tired
10:09.39linuxalienlack of caffeine hehe
10:10.10Lakshmisargun i am ?>
10:12.57Sargunno
10:13.38Lakshmioh that sucks
10:13.40linuxalien:)
10:13.43Lakshmii was really hoping to be
10:13.53Lakshmihey linuxalien
10:13.59linuxalienHi Lakshmi
10:15.11Lakshmisup?
10:15.24linuxalienJust chatting - you?
10:15.33SargunNetFPGA
10:15.40Sargunlinuxalien, are you a college student?
10:15.48linuxalienYup
10:15.56SargunAre you starving
10:15.59SargunAre you smart
10:16.09linuxalienhehe starving and just a little smart hehe
10:17.37Lakshmilinuxalien where do you go?
10:17.46linuxalienweber state
10:17.54Lakshmiwhere is that?
10:18.02linuxalienOgden
10:18.04linuxalienut
10:18.14Lakshmiah nice nice
10:18.18Lakshmifreshman?
10:18.19Lakshmior ..
10:18.21SargunCan you program?
10:18.24Lakshmistudying what?
10:18.28SargunASM, C, VHDL, Verilog?
10:18.38Sargun(Any of the above)
10:18.40linuxaliensenior. Can't program currently. I'm into networking
10:23.31Lakshmiah sounds cool
10:23.47SargunNetworking Like?
10:24.04SargunApplication level
10:24.06SargunLayer 2
10:24.29SargunLayer 3 stuff
10:24.44linuxalienapplication. I've got my MCSE, A+ and I've taken Cisco classes but need to restudy it since that was a while ago
10:25.44Sargunoh
10:25.46Sargungod.
10:26.12SargunSo, you're hoping to work at like where?
10:26.29linuxalienNot sure.
10:31.17Lakshmidoesnt everyone need networkers?
10:31.55linuxalienYeah, i'm majoring in telecom so I won't be doing much programming unless it's with Cisco routers...but it depends on the company.
10:32.09linuxalienIf I got training I'd do it.
10:34.50SargunWhy training
10:34.59Sargunlike, don't you think you can self-learn?
10:36.47linuxalienYeah, if I have time.
10:37.09linuxalienI do plan on reading some books, and reading up on the Cisco stuff
10:37.38linuxalienI'm an alumni of the Cisco Net Academy for life so I get free updates to any CCNA material
10:37.44Sargunyeah
10:37.48Sargunyou're a CCNA
10:38.03linuxalienNope, I took the classes at weber but it costs extra to get the actual cert
10:38.11linuxalienWas broke at the time. :)
10:38.49Lakshmiah like a true college student
10:39.01linuxalienYeah, it sucks.
10:39.10Lakshmino you make me proud
10:39.17linuxalienhehe thanks :)
10:40.52Sargunheh
10:41.23linuxalienMy brother bought me a wifi security book for Xmas
10:41.26linuxalieni'll read that
10:42.28Sargunhaha, neat.
10:43.16linuxalienIt's current. 2007 copyright
10:43.22linuxalienCovers linux, windows and os x
10:43.34linuxalienGets into some math, electronics too
10:44.31Sargunmath & electronics like
10:45.14linuxaliendecibles conversions, electronics formulas for watts, power, current, explanations and laws for RF signals
10:45.30linuxalienit's not just "use this program to brute force the wep shit"
10:45.35linuxalienIt's actually a good book
10:47.51linuxalienI'll have to read some of those parts a few times to make any sense of them. hehe
10:50.11Sargunah
10:50.16Sargunhm
10:51.16linuxalienIt's stuff I'm not used to. I'm used to configuration menus, protocols, and general computer stuff. It's actually kinda cool.
10:51.31linuxalienI'll try and get a book at the library on RF signals, modulation etc.
10:51.39linuxalienThe book does good but i wonder if it's enough
10:54.37linuxalienJust for FYI, if you're a Firefly fan, hulu.com now has it...legally.
10:55.53SargunNeat
10:56.16linuxalienThe neat thing, is they specifically state linux support in the FAQ
10:56.20linuxalienIt just takes Flash to view
10:57.21linuxalienhttp://www.hulu.com/support
10:57.22brac[welcome to hulu]
10:57.30linuxalienThird question tells the requirements
10:58.00linuxalienThey're doing beta right now - just give them an email and they will sign you up in time.
10:58.42linuxalienThey have other shows like bionic woman (new one) Battlestar galactica old and new, Simpsons, and a bunch of others. There's lots of shows and a few movies.
10:58.50linuxalienGood for those study breaks. ;)
11:00.24linuxalienHoly Crap it's 4am!
11:00.28linuxalienI'd better sleep
11:00.32linuxalienChat with ya later!
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15:39.41atoponcehappy gnu year
17:39.21Supaplexhapppppy new year
17:41.33Supaplexthat's one long game of risk I just played. It was unfinished. We disbanded just 15m ago, but started playing at 9pm last night.
17:41.50rsimpkinsSupaplex: Risk is awesome.
17:41.56Supaplexit is :)
17:42.04rsimpkinsSupaplex: Did you play standard rules?
17:42.10Supaplexwe played the Lord of the Rings series
17:42.15rsimpkinsCool.
17:42.28SupaplexI'm not sure. I haven't played in so long, I had to relearn the rules.
17:42.34rsimpkinsYou really need to modify the rules if you want a game to last less than infinity. :)
17:44.44SupaplexI had blue pieces, and nicknamed them "Smurfs". most of the time I would humm the theme song while rolling, I'd come out just ahead. Good times. :`)
17:47.33rsimpkinsThing with Risk, you have to be careful not to be too annoying, or you'll end up with a real war. :)
17:48.43rsimpkinsI think that's how WWII started. Rosevelt, Churchill, and Hirohito were playing risk. Japan started loosing. Hitler was mad because he didn't get invited.
17:50.18Supaplexhearsay ;)
17:51.33Supaplexthere were two players pretty much just grinding each other up. they each had their strongholds, and on a new turn they'd throw new forces at each other.
17:52.24SupaplexI decided before they caught on, I'd pact with my neighbor, and we'd skirt our way into their defenses.  they didn't hold up well after that. it took them atleast 5 rounds to catch on.
17:53.10Supaplexanyway, we all had fun. *grin*
18:44.26findlayhow much space is on a single layer dvd?
18:44.33findlay~dvd
18:44.34ibot[dvd] (Digital Variable/Versatile/Video Disc) Much like a CD-ROM except that it stores up to 12 times as much and is re-writeable. Although the industry claims that DVD really stands for NOTHING, I think otherwise. DVD is the successor to CD-ROM technology. It's the same size, but holds between 4.7 => 18 GB of data. The first wave of DVD drives will be read-only ...
18:44.39findlayah
18:45.16RyanE4.7 = single-layer, single sided.  18G = dual layer, double sided.
18:45.37findlayRyanE: have you even seen a double sided, dual layer dvd?
18:45.54RyanEyeah, movies that have widescreen on one side, SD on the other.
18:45.59RyanEthey're a royal pain
18:46.21RyanEI've never seen a dual-layer writeable, single or double sided.  I've only ever seen 4.7G single-sided writeables.
18:46.28findlayon my toy story documentary DVD there's one place where there's 4 'angles'.  How is that possible?
18:46.38RyanEAngles are built into the spec.
18:46.50findlayso angle != layer?
18:46.58RyanEI don't know how (in the spec) it's implemented, but yeah, layer != angle
18:47.23findlaytoo bad optical discs don't last over time
18:47.28RyanEnow, a drive might use a different 'angle' to read a second layer, but that has nothing to do with the multiple angles on a title.
18:47.58RyanEactually, I think it uses multiple 'focuses' to read the different layers.
18:48.33findlaybecause they're literally, geometrically in different layers of the disc?
18:48.37RyanEI believe so.
18:48.50findlaydo DVD
18:48.57findlay's use the same wavelength?
18:49.01findlayas CDs?
18:49.07RyanEI don't think so
18:49.16RyanEI think they use different lasers, and a CD/DVD drive has dual-transports.
18:49.21findlayhm
18:49.25RyanEbut again, it's just what I've heard / read.
18:49.38RyanEI'm no expert on that sort of stuff.  HowStuffWorks probably has a writeup
18:51.40RyanE"The laser can focus either on the semi-transparent reflective material behind the closest layer, or, in the case of a double-layer disc, through this layer and onto the reflective material behind the inner layer"
18:51.46RyanEhttp://electronics.howstuffworks.com/dvd6.htm
18:52.52findlaywell, they've got UV LED lasers now
18:53.46RyanEand blu-ray uses a *blue* laser, imagine that!
18:53.52findlayheh
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19:20.48rsimpkinsundertakingyou: ping
19:40.13undertakingyoursimpkins: pong
19:40.26rsimpkinsundertakingyou: Hey man. I finished my first attempt at hilighting.
19:40.46rsimpkinsundertakingyou: Wanted to get your take... let me upload a copy.
19:44.15rsimpkinsundertakingyou: This is the original: http://ryansimpkins.com/sleeping_beauty_for_dani_orig.jpg
19:44.26rsimpkinsundertakingyou: Just a coloring page I found on the net.
19:44.45rsimpkinsundertakingyou: here is my first real attempt at highlighting: http://ryansimpkins.com/sleeping_beauty_for_dani.jpg
19:48.07undertakingyoursimpkins: I'd say so far so good man.  how long did that take ya?
19:48.28rsimpkinsA few hours, but the last two hours have been very small tweaks.
19:48.48rsimpkinsI've done the dress part like six times. Keep trying new ideas and what not.
19:49.35undertakingyouThe gradients for the dress look good.
19:50.52rsimpkinsThis one is really easy. Thought I'd get my feet wet with the gradient tool before I took on free-form highlighting.
19:51.18rsimpkinsI did do some subtle freeform on her face - but I'm not sure you can see it in the jpg.
19:51.29Lakshmi<PROTECTED>
19:53.47undertakingyoursimpkins: Another thing for highlights, use your gradient tool within selections, but make your gradient black/shading color to transparent.  Oh, and I don't know if you have used curves, but you can get some great chrome effects from that.
19:54.32rsimpkinsI'll have to hunt around for some tutorials on the chrome/curves thing.
19:55.21rsimpkinsundertakingyou: So, on the gradient tool have the transperency box checked or unchecked?
19:56.21undertakingyoursimpkins: hold on, I have to look at the tool really quick.
20:03.35Sargunhey
20:23.12undertakingyoursimpkins: ok, I finally got photoshop to start in wine.  One of the options is already 'Forground to Transparent', and that would do it.
20:23.56herloundertakingyou: your making FOSS cry
20:24.37herlonot that I completely blame you, but mostly :^o
20:25.06rsimpkinsundertakingyou: Thanks.
20:25.27rsimpkinsundertakingyou: Walking through a chorme tutorial now.
20:25.41undertakingyoursimpkins: the chrome stuff is really easy.
20:25.50undertakingyouherlo: you're just jealous  :)
20:26.07herloundertakingyou: of what? Photoshop?
20:26.55herloundertakingyou: I'm not a graphical genious, so I'm fine with making beveled words in GIMP
20:28.38undertakingyouherlo: the Gimp is good, it just isn't great.
20:28.44undertakingyouSo I use it most of the time.
20:29.29herloundertakingyou: and thus, you are making FOSS cry
20:29.40undertakingyou:)
20:29.43undertakingyoupoor FOSS
20:30.25herloundertakingyou: you should make FOSS happy by making GIMP better
20:31.45herlo:)
20:35.11undertakingyoutrue, I do need to make some feature requests.
20:35.27undertakingyouherlo: did you see my email to Pete?
20:36.27herloundertakingyou: yep
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20:42.30SARGUNChiya guys
20:43.21Lakshmiuhhhhhh
20:43.26sargunchi
20:43.36sarguncThis is a telnet C client
20:43.50Lakshmihm sounds cool
20:44.28sarguncYeah, it is. Well, right now I'm learning about the protocol with TELNET
20:45.02Lakshmiwhat is telnet?
20:57.15findlay~telnet Sargun
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21:39.58sjansen~quote SCOXQ.PK
21:40.19sjansen~50% increase, a great day for SCO
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22:56.40findlaybudrose!
22:57.22sjansenhttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-picturs-cat-in-exhaust.jpg
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