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| 00:26.39 | goozbach | herlo: your "upgrade from fedora 7 to fedora 8" is the first result from a google query of "fedora 8 upgrade" |
| 00:28.34 | herlo | goozbach: I know :) |
| 00:28.37 | herlo | goozbach: isn't it great! |
| 00:29.17 | jsmith | herlo: Naw, it's not that great :-p |
| 00:35.21 | herlo | ~lart jsmith anyway |
| 00:35.21 | ibot | pours gasoline all over jsmith anyway, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 00:37.37 | Shadowwire | mmmm.. Steak. |
| 00:41.59 | Sargun | Shadowwire, It's a steak! |
| 00:44.54 | Shadowwire | ~lart Steak for not being Stake! |
| 00:44.54 | ibot | puts Steak through a wood chipper for not being Stake! |
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| 01:30.37 | nick125 | Sargun! |
| 01:31.15 | Sargun | hi |
| 01:31.20 | nick125 | Sargun: what's up? |
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| 01:40.37 | elg | ~yawn findlay |
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| 03:21.56 | brac | [~ |
| 03:21.56 | brac | ~say You are going to have a new love affair. |
| 03:21.57 | ibot | You are going to have a new love affair. |
| 03:21.57 | brac | ~] |
| 03:23.27 | nick125 | Sargun: mm |
| 03:24.23 | Sargun | ping |
| 03:24.32 | nick125 | pong |
| 03:25.50 | Sargun | ping |
| 03:26.26 | nick125 | pong |
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| 04:27.02 | levi | Poor moose. |
| 04:30.07 | Sargun | poor cow. |
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| 05:40.17 | Sargun | nick125, |
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| 07:59.45 | vontrapp | pmcnabb: what's up with moleman? |
| 08:00.24 | Sargun | moleman! |
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| 13:01.04 | atoponce | heh. that flow of conversation from ibot actually makes a little sense |
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| 13:39.33 | herlo | atoponce: how's the morning treating you? |
| 13:53.32 | elg | jesse's delusions of grandeur are getting scary |
| 13:53.57 | elg | hey atoponce I'm in Utah. I could grab that DVD for a day from you and rip it for the audio test |
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| 14:23.46 | elg | -lart jsmith |
| 14:24.12 | jsmith | elg: Thanks! |
| 14:25.54 | herlo | jsmith: haha, you have no internet |
| 14:26.40 | jsmith | herlo: w00t! |
| 14:26.47 | jsmith | herlo: That'll make my students concentrate more! |
| 14:28.01 | herlo | really? |
| 14:35.41 | herlo | jsmith: I try to avoid questions :) |
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| 15:19.57 | tensai | my kingdom for proper message threading! |
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| 15:45.19 | elg | you have a kingdom? |
| 15:48.00 | tensai | elg: it consists of a bottle of artificial tears, an RSA secureid, and a 2 year-old calendar. but I'd give it all up to have Outlook do just a single thing right. |
| 15:48.58 | herlo | tensai: just give it all up on Outlook |
| 15:49.33 | tensai | *I* gave up Outlook, but it's all the other people who use it and break my threads. curse them all! |
| 15:51.57 | herlo | exactly! We should burn them all at the stake! |
| 15:52.10 | herlo | or steak! however you like it :) |
| 15:52.31 | herlo | medium rare for me please |
| 15:53.45 | tensai | if you read anthony bourdain's book, you'll never order a steak more than medium rare again |
| 15:54.10 | herlo | I don't anyway, and I love Anthony Bourdain, he's awesome |
| 15:54.22 | tensai | ~herlo++ |
| 15:54.24 | herlo | though I've not read his book |
| 15:54.33 | herlo | just watched his tv shows... |
| 15:55.57 | elg | tensai: can you give us the condensed version? or is the argument insubstantial and depends entirely on the persuasive prose? |
| 15:56.55 | nick125 | hmm......I'm debating on if I should replace my current homebrewed blog with a premade blogging solution thingy or if I should rewrite my django-based blog? |
| 15:57.20 | tensai | elg: if you cook a really good piece of meat to medium well, it loses all the flavor you'd get by using a good piece of meat |
| 15:57.58 | elg | so the moral of the story is to get cheap meat? ;-) |
| 15:58.01 | tensai | elg: so the kitchen is likely to give you a lesser piece of meat since you won't notice the difference |
| 15:58.21 | elg | oh at restaurants |
| 15:58.23 | tensai | if you murder your steaks then yes, don't waste your money on expensive meat |
| 15:59.07 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | I ∑ money | Welcome elg to the great white north |
| 15:59.44 | elg | i have nothing against unwelldone meat, and don't dispute the bit about expensive meat |
| 16:00.16 | tensai | conversely, if you're making a steak tartare, you better get the best meat that money can buy |
| 16:00.32 | elg | but a lot of people myself included like well or medium well and find that even a mediocre slab of meat tastes okish when cooked to well |
| 16:00.51 | elg | and I find the snobbery against well done to be highly irrational elitism |
| 16:01.08 | herlo | elg: ok-ish is not good enough! |
| 16:01.20 | elg | herlo: it can be |
| 16:01.29 | elg | depending on your needs, budget, the occasion, etc. |
| 16:01.40 | herlo | elg: its not irrational, its down-right gross to have a piece of meat so well-done it feels like shoe leather in your mouth |
| 16:01.47 | elg | isn't ok-ish steak better than mcdonalds? |
| 16:01.48 | herlo | chew and chew and chew and never swallow |
| 16:01.58 | elg | well, that's overwelldone |
| 16:02.01 | elg | well done doesn't equate leather |
| 16:03.08 | tensai | elg: there is an appropriate way to cook and eat just about every part of an animal. I don't begrudge anyone their preferences. |
| 16:03.56 | elg | agreed. I say the palette has room enough for a variety of donenesses and anyone who fixates on or villifies any particular doneness is being snobbish and missing out on life's abundance |
| 16:04.11 | elg | my wife who balks at anything remotely pink included :) |
| 16:05.15 | tensai | jerky isn't actually cooked, so technically it's raw |
| 16:05.26 | herlo | its cured |
| 16:05.44 | thaddeusq | chew and chew and chew ... |
| 16:05.53 | herlo | elg: my ex is the same way, and it looks like shoe leather to me |
| 16:06.12 | herlo | the thing is, its not about burning the outside, even for well-done |
| 16:06.26 | herlo | its about making the meat tougher the longer its cooked |
| 16:07.35 | herlo | haha, very funny |
| 16:08.01 | thaddeusq | that's what I thought when I read that you see everything rosy. |
| 16:09.42 | tensai | elg: bourdain's original point wasn't so much about how you like your meat but that if there's a questionable steak that's been sitting in the reach-in for days, it's gonna go to the person who orders it well done |
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| 16:10.17 | tensai | so buyer beware |
| 16:11.40 | thaddeusq | tensai: yeah, but us peons with our un-cultured tastes won't know the difference. |
| 16:12.28 | tensai | thaddeusq: so don't spend $40 on a steak :) |
| 16:13.07 | thaddeusq | tensai: I've only done that once in my life and I didn't pay for it. |
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| 16:13.52 | RyanE | so, if you want well done, order medium rare, and then send it back when it's not to your liking. |
| 16:14.05 | tensai | one of the best steaks in my life was at a restaurant in a town of about 100 people. that place was packed like I couldn't believe. |
| 16:14.06 | RyanE | maybe a few times. :) |
| 16:14.12 | tensai | RyanE: clever |
| 16:15.00 | RyanE | The best prime rib I ever had was at Mama Inez in Pocatello, Idaho. Surprising, that. Everyone I've ever met from Pocatello knows about the place, though. |
| 16:15.13 | RyanE | It was 10 years ago, and I still remember it fondly. |
| 16:16.31 | tensai | Svieler's in Hudson Wyoming |
| 16:16.39 | tensai | RyanE: I think I've heard of it |
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| 16:25.19 | tensai | elg: so you're not signing up to be a facebook contractor? |
| 16:26.20 | herlo | thaddeusq: did GL/RH pay for that steak? |
| 16:29.31 | thaddeusq | herlo: yep. at Mortons |
| 16:29.54 | herlo | thaddeusq: hehe, nice place |
| 16:30.17 | herlo | Charley's is in Orlando and a few other major cities |
| 16:31.10 | thaddeusq | best hamburger I ever had was in Green Bay |
| 16:33.16 | thaddeusq | Culver's in Green Bay. wish there was on in Utah. |
| 16:39.33 | tensai | oh that's not good... |
| 16:42.47 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHAHA http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-horse-in-car.jpg |
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| 16:45.28 | tensai | looks like I get to reinstall openwrt |
| 16:45.39 | tensai | note to others. don't let an install of busybox fail. Bad Things happen |
| 16:45.45 | nick125 | tensai: What did you break? |
| 16:46.09 | tensai | "-ash: ls: Permission denied" |
| 16:46.25 | tensai | "-ash: sh: Permission denied" |
| 16:46.30 | tensai | "-ash: chmod: Permission denied" |
| 16:46.36 | tensai | :'( |
| 16:53.35 | nick125 | tensai: nice. |
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| 17:11.24 | ^Migs^ | http://sawse.com/2007/12/13/20-signs-you-may-be-about-to-die/ |
| 17:11.54 | bonez39 | I have asked before....but how does one strip away formatting, tabs, margin stuff..to just end up with text....without the CR and EOL breaks and stuff? |
| 17:13.10 | sontek | bonez39: if you want to do that on some code, you could use astyle |
| 17:15.05 | bonez39 | it's not code per se..it's just an article...from a newsletter... |
| 17:15.47 | bonez39 | the author puts these margins...and if I cut and paste it somewhere else..it ends up stepping across the page, requiring lots of deleting and backspacing to render just the text without all the formatting... |
| 17:16.09 | bonez39 | I am hoping for something to just strip away all that formatting to just leave the raw text.... |
| 17:17.38 | bonez39 | does what I am wanting make sense? |
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| 17:17.49 | herlo | bonez39: I'd suggest a regex and tr |
| 17:18.15 | herlo | something along the lines of if its not a space or alphanumeric (and some special chars), ignore it |
| 17:34.44 | levi | Heh, here's something pointless and kind of evil: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc/tccboot.html |
| 17:34.49 | brac | [TCCBOOT: TinyCC Boot Loader] |
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| 18:21.31 | ^Migs^ | what's with all the pro-Pythonism in here? |
| 18:22.40 | herlo | ~heart python |
| 18:22.40 | redbeard2 | ^Migs^: is it pro-python, or anti-php? |
| 18:33.43 | levi | Why not be pro-python? |
| 18:34.42 | dataw0lf | it's more that I'm making a snide comment that PHP is more akin to a framework than a language unto itself. |
| 18:34.48 | dataw0lf | but, yea, I'm pro-Python too. |
| 18:36.51 | dataw0lf | it's hard to find anti-Python people. If someone doesn't use Python it's because they prefer another language, not that they don't like Python. |
| 18:40.40 | levi | Oh, not too hard to find them here, but they tend to be hyper-opinionated curmudgeons. |
| 18:40.45 | nick125 | Anyone here use drupal? |
| 18:40.47 | tensai | that'd be me. I've got nothing against python, but I prefer to use perl. |
| 18:40.55 | tensai | nick125: yes |
| 18:41.05 | nick125 | tensai: Any suggestions for an image gallery module? |
| 18:42.24 | tensai | nick125: I'm using the boringly named Gallery. I don't have it integrated w/ drupal though. |
| 18:42.43 | nick125 | aah. |
| 18:43.07 | levi | I'm pro-Crown Burger. |
| 18:45.01 | dataw0lf | I'm definitely pro-In-N-Out |
| 18:45.27 | Jayce^ | Crown/apollo > in-n-out |
| 18:45.52 | dataw0lf | Can't say that I agree with you. |
| 18:46.07 | Jayce^ | I'm anti-python in the respect that dataw0lf mentions.. I prefer others :) |
| 18:48.00 | Jayce^ | in-n-out burgers are pretty good, cant' stand their fries, shakes are ok.. |
| 18:48.22 | dataw0lf | ever had their animal fries? |
| 18:48.28 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 18:48.40 | Jayce^ | my wife worked there in high school, knows all the fun stuff |
| 18:48.44 | dataw0lf | I love em; that's basically my usual breakfast. |
| 18:48.46 | Jayce^ | animal burger, animal fries.. |
| 18:48.55 | Jayce^ | it's the only way the fries are edible imho |
| 18:49.06 | Jayce^ | now apollo or red robin steak fries.. mmmmmm |
| 18:50.04 | dataw0lf | really? I dig on their fries, you can tell their fresh |
| 18:50.07 | dataw0lf | they're* |
| 18:50.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, I hear all about that from my wife.. to me they are just limp.. |
| 18:50.54 | dataw0lf | Salt Lake is getting In-N-Out in 08, right? |
| 18:50.59 | dataw0lf | I heard that somewhere |
| 18:51.05 | Jayce^ | not very likely.. |
| 18:51.13 | Jayce^ | they had talked about doing one in st george |
| 18:51.15 | dataw0lf | another thing I like about In-N-Out is there corporate policy and how they treat their employees. |
| 18:51.30 | Jayce^ | a) it's close enough to the LV warehouse, and b) they need one in the state for their lawsuit |
| 18:51.53 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, having problems with they're/their/there today? |
| 18:52.05 | dataw0lf | man, no kidding huh |
| 18:52.13 | dataw0lf | I sound like a 10 year old. |
| 18:52.14 | Jayce^ | time for a weekend :) |
| 18:52.17 | levi | I don't understand why people think In-n-Out is so great. |
| 18:52.19 | dataw0lf | hehe, no kidding. |
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| 18:53.04 | Jayce^ | levi, they put an addictive chemical in their secret sauce... |
| 18:54.02 | levi | That must be it. |
| 18:54.03 | rsimpkins | I believe apollo burger was voted 'best fries' in SLC. |
| 18:54.09 | Jayce^ | I'd believe it |
| 18:54.31 | rsimpkins | I don't get the in-and-out thing either Jayce^. |
| 18:54.32 | dataw0lf | levi: responsible corporate behavior, all fresh food, awesome employees (not ONCE have I gotten a mixed up order). What's not to love? |
| 18:54.32 | Jayce^ | good burgers too, but brand-x, now those are burgers |
| 18:55.31 | rsimpkins | I like fudruckers - just over priced. |
| 18:55.35 | elg | anyone in utah valley have a loaner DSL modem? |
| 18:56.02 | Jayce^ | fudd's are pretty good.. |
| 18:56.03 | levi | dataw0lf: The times I've tried them, the burgers seemed better than McDonald's or whatever, but not all that special. |
| 18:56.13 | levi | And I wasn't crazy about the fries, either. |
| 18:56.31 | dataw0lf | levi: I think they're the best fast food. My girlfriend makes a better burger, but we don't have a grill in our car |
| 18:56.31 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/071214/K121406AU.html |
| 18:56.37 | ^Migs^ | OSLO, Norway - It can be hard enough to pay for holiday gifts without being charged $148,000 just to park a car. |
| 18:56.40 | ^Migs^ | At least 26 motorists were left baffled and broke when they used their bank debit cards to buy parking time in the central Norwegian city of Trondheim last week. |
| 18:56.41 | brac | [Norwegian city accidentally charges some motorists over $100,000 to park] |
| 18:56.44 | ^Migs^ | Because of a computer glitch, the machine multiplied the amount of parking time they bought by 10,000 and automatically deducted it from their bank accounts. |
| 18:56.51 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 18:57.08 | Jayce^ | another reason to not use debit cards.. |
| 18:57.14 | Jayce^ | harder to fight that |
| 18:57.17 | dataw0lf | I was about to say, 100,000 dollars for parking in Norway? Sounds about right. |
| 18:57.22 | elg | puhlease |
| 18:57.27 | elg | who is going to have trouble fighting that? |
| 18:57.41 | elg | "the parking dudes charged $148000 for a few hours parking" |
| 18:57.42 | rsimpkins | I don't think my bank allows transactions that high. |
| 18:57.47 | elg | "well, I dunno, I think it might be legit" |
| 18:57.49 | levi | dataw0lf: I prefer Crown Burgers, a local burger shack in Lehi, and a few other places to In-n-Out burgers. Just yummier burgers. |
| 18:58.08 | ^Migs^ | that's not the problem. It's just this is the time people are already out shopping madly |
| 18:58.09 | rsimpkins | levi: Which shack in Lehi? |
| 18:58.09 | dataw0lf | levi: I like Crown Burgers, but definitely prefer In-N-Out *shrug* |
| 18:58.19 | ^Migs^ | that can be the difference between life and death |
| 18:58.23 | levi | rsimpkins: Emmett's |
| 18:58.24 | ^Migs^ | LIFE AND DEATH |
| 18:58.31 | ^Migs^ | my wife loves Jack-in-the-Box |
| 18:58.40 | ^Migs^ | hyphenated fast food places are always better |
| 18:58.50 | rsimpkins | To me crown/apollo/astro are all the same. Someone was telling me it was some brothers or something that started them all. |
| 18:59.02 | Jayce^ | levi, emmett's? where's that? is that the one right on main street, near the legacy center? |
| 18:59.07 | levi | Jayce^: Yeah. |
| 18:59.11 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: aren't they all owned by the same greek family? |
| 18:59.19 | Jayce^ | yeah, pretty good.. are they doign their own soda's again? |
| 18:59.19 | rsimpkins | levi: I've had their shakes, never had a burger there. |
| 18:59.24 | levi | Jayce^: They're closed for the winter now. |
| 18:59.28 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 18:59.36 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Might be. I don't know the details. But I believe they are related some how. |
| 18:59.49 | Jayce^ | they used to do all their own phosphates/etc.. |
| 18:59.58 | JoshH | crown puts that relish crap in their fry sauce, apollo doesn't, so apollo is better |
| 19:00.13 | levi | I hate fry sauce in general, so that makes no difference to me. |
| 19:00.30 | JoshH | apollo also has better pastrami |
| 19:00.47 | JoshH | and those are the only differences i know of |
| 19:01.27 | dataw0lf | http://stderr.ws/media/img/aldus.jpg |
| 19:01.39 | JoshH | fry sauce is utah's greatest contribution to humanity |
| 19:02.01 | dataw0lf | fry sauce wasn't invented in Utah |
| 19:02.20 | dataw0lf | and fries + vinegar > fry sauce |
| 19:02.23 | JoshH | eh, i've heard different stories, but the arctic circle one seems the most widely accepted |
| 19:02.42 | Jayce^ | JoshH, there are some others, but none are quite the same |
| 19:04.01 | JoshH | dataw0lf, where do you believe it was invented? |
| 19:04.35 | rsimpkins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry_sauce |
| 19:04.41 | dataw0lf | JoshH: I've heard Iceland |
| 19:04.50 | JoshH | hmm, that one's new to me |
| 19:04.58 | Jayce^ | it's a little different |
| 19:05.11 | Jayce^ | and the wikipedia page doesn't include all the ingredients.. |
| 19:05.21 | Jayce^ | gotta have the pickle juice and mustard |
| 19:05.54 | JoshH | i've always heard arctic circle, or various other utah/intermountain west origins, but mainly arctic circle |
| 19:05.55 | rsimpkins | In France, many turkish restaurants serve fry sauce and call it American sauce. lol |
| 19:06.12 | rsimpkins | I'd like some american sauce for my freedom fries please. |
| 19:07.00 | dataw0lf | honestly, I'd never even heard of it until Utah, so it doesn't really matter where it was invented, Utah's definitely saturated in it. |
| 19:07.15 | dataw0lf | good taste though, because I like it. |
| 19:07.29 | herlo | <homermmm, fry sauce |
| 19:07.37 | rsimpkins | You guys are making me hungry from some apollo. |
| 19:07.38 | herlo | <homer>mmm, fry sauce</homer> |
| 19:07.57 | JoshH | i had apollo last night |
| 19:08.13 | dataw0lf | herlo: oooooh, but NYC has some delicious fries + vinegar! |
| 19:08.18 | rsimpkins | We need to do a utah county geek lunch every now and then. |
| 19:08.54 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:09.19 | Jayce^ | Red Robin uses their onion ring dipping sauce as fry sauce, different, but very good |
| 19:09.22 | dataw0lf | herlo: you should send me a six pack of Monster Ale from Brooklyn Brewery |
| 19:09.24 | dataw0lf | mmmMmm |
| 19:09.36 | JoshH | red robin has great fries too |
| 19:09.41 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I like that creamy buffalo sauce from wingers for fries. it's pretty good. |
| 19:09.42 | JoshH | and that egg burger is awesome |
| 19:09.45 | Jayce^ | and wingers mixes ranch + their wing sauce, for wingers fry sauce/creamy sauce.. *very* good |
| 19:09.49 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, exactly :) |
| 19:09.59 | Jayce^ | JoshH, the Royal |
| 19:10.01 | JoshH | ya |
| 19:10.07 | Jayce^ | my fav |
| 19:10.11 | JoshH | i never get anything else there |
| 19:10.27 | Jayce^ | I rarely do |
| 19:11.44 | herlo | dataw0lf: its true |
| 19:11.56 | herlo | dataw0lf: if I were in Brooklyn, I'd do that for you |
| 19:13.10 | dataw0lf | herlo: where ya at? Manhattan? |
| 19:13.29 | herlo | yeah, financial district |
| 19:13.36 | dataw0lf | Nice. |
| 19:13.38 | herlo | Wall Street and Broadway |
| 19:13.56 | herlo | staying on the border of SOHO and Chinatown... |
| 19:15.01 | levi | This story from City Weekly talks about who owns which Greek burger places: http://www.slweekly.com/index.cfm?oID=449BBE6E-021E-D69E-7A3370304BA7D31B&do=article.details&id=1CA7ED52-2BF4-55D0-F1F5D5363DB6B4AA |
| 19:18.23 | rsimpkins | levi: What's the nutshell version? |
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| 19:22.20 | levi | The Crown places are all owned by members of the same family. The Apollo, Astro, etc. chains are owned by other Greek people. They seem to be friends with each other, though. |
| 19:23.47 | levi | The Apollo guy, Mr. Ziouras, talks about how he uses all-fresh ingredients, nothing frozen, delivered fresh daily, etc. Sounds kind of like In-n-Out's claim to fame, eh? |
| 19:24.13 | levi | Except his burgers taste better, because they've got freakin' pastrami! ;) |
| 19:24.21 | JoshH | i like how he admits it's unhealthy |
| 19:25.09 | Jayce^ | there's a health food store just down the street, go there if you care :) |
| 19:25.10 | JoshH | ah, i didn't even know cotton bottom's garlic burger was made by a greek |
| 19:25.14 | JoshH | that thing is amazing too |
| 19:25.24 | levi | I need to try one of those. |
| 19:26.02 | JoshH | they don't have fries, at least not last time i was there, but the burger is very good |
| 19:26.12 | JoshH | it always takes them a long time to make it though |
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| 19:32.12 | levi | Hmm, is smorrey still looking for a job? |
| 19:32.45 | Jayce^ | apparently |
| 19:32.54 | levi | My goodness. |
| 19:33.00 | Jayce^ | anybody feeling more prone to hiring him? |
| 19:33.41 | dataw0lf | the protocol creator? |
| 19:34.21 | levi | After all his 'Oh, that totally non-trivial thing is really easy! I'm going to whip one up and write a book about it, expect to hear back from me in a couple of days.' and then never hearing about those things again... well, no. |
| 19:35.23 | JoshH | uh, he really is comparing perl to basic, cobol, and fortran? |
| 19:35.36 | Jayce^ | yeah, old, unused languages :) |
| 19:35.40 | JoshH | maybe that was an accident |
| 19:35.51 | levi | dataw0lf: Yeah, the creator of distributed filesharing protocols and high-performance massively-multiplayer 3d games. |
| 19:35.51 | Jayce^ | no, part of his point.. |
| 19:36.03 | Jayce^ | he figures people only know it for porting away :) |
| 19:36.09 | dataw0lf | levi: hehe |
| 19:36.35 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yea, as soon as I saw that email on the list I put my head in my hands |
| 19:42.10 | elg | sorry to rehash an old topic. zoom and 2-wire make decent dsl modems, right? |
| 19:42.43 | dataw0lf | elg: I'm using a Zoom; it's pretty decent. |
| 19:42.45 | jsmith | elg: Yeah... at least Zoom does |
| 19:43.06 | findlay | I'm so spoiled computer-wise |
| 19:43.20 | findlay | windows is so limiting and therefore damning to the user |
| 19:43.41 | JoshH | i wouldn't call either of those good myself |
| 19:43.50 | elg | JoshH: what would you call good? |
| 19:44.09 | JoshH | well, for grandparents they would be fine |
| 19:44.11 | elg | wireless router/dsl modem |
| 19:44.14 | JoshH | i thought you meant for you |
| 19:44.18 | elg | no, not for me |
| 19:44.21 | elg | I have a cisco 678 :) |
| 19:44.31 | JoshH | not the 2wire though |
| 19:44.35 | JoshH | those suck for everyone |
| 19:44.41 | dataw0lf | there's nothing wrong with Zoom |
| 19:45.21 | elg | ok, i'll go with zoom. they have one at best buy |
| 19:45.44 | JoshH | i just hate anything non-cisco |
| 19:45.48 | JoshH | netscreens, sangomas, etc are ok |
| 19:46.28 | elg | the ciscos are like $300 |
| 19:46.38 | elg | I learned to hate a netscreen VPN appliance |
| 19:46.44 | JoshH | you can ebay 837s for less than $100 |
| 19:47.10 | JoshH | and 678s for much less of course |
| 19:47.12 | elg | ah, ebay |
| 19:49.07 | elg | how thou dost conflict us |
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| 19:53.38 | redbeard2 | levi: dirty beard? |
| 19:54.18 | levi | redbeard2: Yeah, hippys have dirty beards. :P |
| 19:54.41 | redbeard2 | paupers == hippes? |
| 19:54.51 | redbeard2 | s/hippes/hippies/ |
| 19:55.20 | levi | No, but the set of hippies intersects with paupers. |
| 19:55.32 | thaddeusq | levi: you shouldn't go mentioning sjansen by name on plug |
| 19:55.51 | thaddeusq | pauper with long dirty beard. Isn't that sjansen? |
| 19:56.20 | levi | I think sjansen probably has money. |
| 19:56.46 | herlo | thaddeusq: no, sjansen is not a pauper, he's just one of the seven dwarves, dopey, methinks |
| 19:56.49 | levi | I was thinking more along the lines of someone trying to be like RMS, but without having money thrown at them. |
| 19:57.48 | thaddeusq | I think sjansen has money, he just doesn't spend it on housing. |
| 19:58.24 | thaddeusq | well I thought sjansen was trying to LOOK like RMS |
| 19:59.14 | herlo | why, he doesn't look like one of the Seven Dwarves? |
| 20:00.09 | dataw0lf | gaaaaah PHP developers and their inability to understand data types. |
| 20:00.24 | herlo | sneezy, dopey, doc, sleepy, happy |
| 20:01.40 | dataw0lf | grumpy |
| 20:01.41 | moriancumer | bashful |
| 20:02.18 | thaddeusq | http://www.bestinternetshopping.com/embroidery_appliques/p931600.jpg |
| 20:02.55 | dataw0lf | girlfriend is gone to San Jose; that means Xbox all night! woo hoo. |
| 20:03.06 | thaddeusq | Looking at that picture, I'd think sjansen looks most like Doc. |
| 20:05.42 | herlo | and sjansen |
| 20:09.51 | rsimpkins | I wish I was a good enough developer to get those whiz-bang framework projects like ruby on rails, etc. |
| 20:10.26 | levi | What do you mean, 'get them'? |
| 20:10.44 | rsimpkins | I mean, understand them well enough to develop projects in them quickly. |
| 20:11.02 | dataw0lf | what's hard to understand about them? |
| 20:11.09 | levi | Well, just like any other whiz-bang thing, you have to take a bit of time to learn them first. |
| 20:11.10 | rsimpkins | I recently (yesterday) spent a couple hours and made a bookmark manager. |
| 20:11.23 | levi | A couple of hours is usually not sufficient. |
| 20:11.48 | dataw0lf | give a couple weeks to a framework, to see any changes in your development method. |
| 20:12.05 | levi | Probably more if you have to learn a new language, too. |
| 20:12.14 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 20:12.19 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: I guess you just hit the nail on the head. I'm not really interested in spending two weeks doing much of anything. :) |
| 20:12.39 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: heh. I take it you're not a professional developer, then. |
| 20:12.48 | rsimpkins | No, I'm an SA. |
| 20:12.52 | dataw0lf | word. |
| 20:13.00 | levi | rsimpkins: I'm sure you are, but they're probably things that are closer to what you already know. |
| 20:14.28 | levi | rsimpkins: I mean, some tool that promised to make your job n times easier would probably make you eager to invest a bit of time. |
| 20:15.05 | dataw0lf | (which could definitely include a variety of programming languages) |
| 20:15.10 | rsimpkins | Agreed. I mostly have need for glue as a system admin. |
| 20:15.21 | rsimpkins | The more glue the better. |
| 20:15.43 | dataw0lf | Python + Impacket + scapy can be invaluable for a SA. |
| 20:15.56 | rsimpkins | I'm proficient in Perl - at least for a sys admin. |
| 20:16.07 | dataw0lf | I used that combo with a couple custom scripts countless times as a sys admin and network engineer |
| 20:16.17 | rsimpkins | I keep hitting my head against the python wall. Hopefully some day I'll break through. |
| 20:16.30 | levi | rsimpkins: It might take more than a couple of weeks. ;) |
| 20:16.46 | rsimpkins | A sys admin is best as a jack of all trades really. |
| 20:16.53 | rsimpkins | At least, in my opinion. |
| 20:17.11 | dataw0lf | sure, but learning the right way can save you and your coworkers time |
| 20:17.37 | redbeard2 | rsimpkins: better that a jerk of all trades, which is what i first read there |
| 20:17.41 | dataw0lf | I've adopted Perl scripts and bash scripts from SAs that had no idea what they were doing programming wise. I mean, the scripts worked, but I lost a lot of time working with them / changing them because they were a mess. |
| 20:17.44 | rsimpkins | redbeard2: lol :) |
| 20:18.14 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: I think you'd be impressed with my stuff. I keep it very clean, well commented, and follow several best practices. |
| 20:18.21 | redbeard2 | mmm, bash scripts. i don't know why you would write something in perl when you could write it in bash. |
| 20:18.33 | tensai | dataw0lf: here here on that. like all the scripts I have that write output to a file and then use system to run a command on that file |
| 20:18.40 | rsimpkins | I use A LOT of bash - but it's usually one-liners to solve a particular emergency. |
| 20:18.56 | dataw0lf | redbeard2: well there are several reasons. One of which is the platform. I've had to manage systems that would've been near impossible to get Perl compiled on. |
| 20:19.18 | dataw0lf | I had trouble getting bash installed on pre 5.0 Tru64 machines. |
| 20:19.35 | dataw0lf | tensai:errgh. |
| 20:19.36 | redbeard2 | dataw0lf: um. you do know that that was a jab designed to invoke some derisive comment from Jayce^, right? |
| 20:19.59 | dataw0lf | redbeard2: I read it the other way around. |
| 20:20.09 | redbeard2 | ^_^ |
| 20:20.28 | levi | I hate bash. |
| 20:20.40 | dataw0lf | I'm clocking about 68 hours this week, I neeeeeed the weekend. sorry about that redbeard2 |
| 20:21.06 | redbeard2 | ~bash levi |
| 20:21.07 | ibot | ACTION beats levi with ksh |
| 20:21.12 | dataw0lf | hopefully I'll get out of here at 4. *crosses fingers* |
| 20:21.16 | redbeard2 | hrrm. |
| 20:22.01 | redbeard2 | dataw0lf: if i'm out of here as late as 4, i'll miss my flight |
| 20:22.34 | dataw0lf | no travel until after the new year for me. yay! |
| 20:23.27 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend is there this weekend. |
| 20:24.09 | redbeard2 | dataw0lf: i know! she and i are... er. i mean. um. really? you don't say. |
| 20:24.36 | dataw0lf | Pfft. In your dreams, and only in your dreams. |
| 20:24.44 | dataw0lf | nah, but she's actually giving a presentation to a bunch of Googlers. |
| 20:25.05 | redbeard2 | dataw0lf: so she's specifically in mt view too? |
| 20:25.10 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 20:25.56 | redbeard2 | tell her to check out a restaurant called old siam, on el camino real |
| 20:26.29 | herlo | ooh, yeah! |
| 20:26.32 | herlo | yummy! |
| 20:26.38 | herlo | and don't forget Kabul redbeard2 |
| 20:26.40 | dataw0lf | redbeard2: hehe, we've been there together before. |
| 20:26.53 | dataw0lf | she works where I used to work, which is based out of San Mateo |
| 20:29.01 | redbeard2 | herlo: oh man, kabul was awesome. i need to go back next week. |
| 20:29.08 | herlo | redbeard2: yeppers |
| 20:29.17 | redbeard2 | i'm actually staying a lot closer to the training center this time. |
| 20:29.28 | herlo | redbeard2: I've been there again since we went, and there's a great sushi place, ask atoponce what its called |
| 20:29.55 | redbeard2 | herlo: no sushi for me, thanks |
| 20:30.07 | herlo | redbeard2: oh, you are missing out! great stuff |
| 20:30.15 | herlo | redbeard2: you do seafood though right? |
| 20:30.24 | redbeard2 | herlo: rarely |
| 20:31.44 | redbeard2 | ~zsh Jayce^ |
| 20:31.45 | ibot | ACTION moves redbeard2 to the back of the line |
| 20:32.01 | redbeard2 | whoa. i didn't know zsh did that. |
| 20:33.12 | redbeard2 | zsh == soup nazi |
| 20:33.39 | Kemotaha | that's why you just lart him |
| 20:33.43 | Kemotaha | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:33.43 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples Jayce^'s foot to the floor |
| 20:33.52 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap Kemotaha |
| 20:33.53 | ibot | ACTION beats Kemotaha upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:34.10 | Kemotaha | ~script Jayce^ |
| 20:34.44 | redbeard2 | ~migs Jayce^ |
| 20:34.45 | ibot | ACTION forces Jayce^ to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 20:34.54 | Jayce^ | ooh, now that's mean |
| 20:35.00 | redbeard2 | i win! |
| 20:35.06 | Jayce^ | ~ouchy redbeard2 |
| 20:35.14 | Jayce^ | guess ibot forgot that one |
| 20:35.24 | Jayce^ | that was a harley special |
| 20:35.29 | Jayce^ | ~thong redbeard2 |
| 20:35.55 | Kemotaha | ibot: ~script $jayce is <action> forces $jayce into a single line of perl code |
| 20:35.55 | ibot | Kemotaha: okay |
| 20:36.02 | Kemotaha | ~script Jayce^ |
| 20:36.25 | Kemotaha | ibot: script $jayce is <action> forces $jayce into a single line of perl code |
| 20:36.25 | ibot | okay, Kemotaha |
| 20:36.28 | Kemotaha | ~script Jayce^ |
| 20:36.28 | ibot | ACTION forces Jayce^ into a single line of perl code |
| 20:37.01 | Kemotaha | ibot: script $jayce is <action> flattens $jayce until he becomes a single line of unreadable perl code |
| 20:37.02 | ibot | ACTION forces $jayce is <action> flattens $jayce until he becomes a single line of unreadable perl code into a single line of perl code |
| 20:37.28 | Jayce^ | ~thong redbeard2 |
| 20:37.51 | Kemotaha | ibot: ~forget script |
| 20:38.02 | Kemotaha | ibot: forget script |
| 20:38.03 | Jayce^ | ~thong redbeard2 |
| 20:38.04 | ibot | ACTION burns an image of harleypig jumping on a diving board wearing only a thong into redbeard2s head |
| 20:38.24 | Kemotaha | ibot: no, script $jayce is <action> flattens $jayce until he becomes a single line of unreadable perl code |
| 20:38.25 | ibot | Kemotaha: okay |
| 20:38.32 | Kemotaha | ~script Jayce^ |
| 20:38.32 | ibot | ACTION flattens Jayce^ until he becomes a single line of unreadable perl code |
| 20:38.48 | Jayce^ | I feel so, profound.. :) |
| 20:39.15 | Kemotaha | maybe we should change it to java code for you. |
| 20:39.25 | Jayce^ | but it could never be just one line then |
| 20:39.42 | Kemotaha | true |
| 20:41.07 | Kemotaha | ibot: no, script $jayce is <action> flattens $jayce until he becomes a single line of unreadable perl code which is not legal in the U.S. |
| 20:41.08 | ibot | okay, Kemotaha |
| 20:42.17 | dataw0lf | http://frostfirezoo.com/a-strange-photo-of-camels-in-the-desert |
| 20:42.45 | Kemotaha | that picture is old |
| 20:43.31 | dataw0lf | Oh noes! |
| 20:43.39 | dataw0lf | do... do you still love me? |
| 20:43.43 | Kemotaha | sure |
| 20:43.45 | Kemotaha | it's ok |
| 20:43.48 | Jayce^ | ~console dataw0lf |
| 20:43.49 | ibot | ACTION gives dataw0lf the consolation moose |
| 20:44.00 | Kemotaha | It has circled the internet 4 or 5 times at least |
| 20:44.11 | dataw0lf | Kemotaha: Really? Where do you get that data from? |
| 20:44.15 | dataw0lf | Your... butt? |
| 20:44.25 | Jayce^ | Kemotaha, so the tubes go in a circle? |
| 20:44.31 | dataw0lf | Or do you actually track exactly how many times an image "circles" the internet |
| 20:44.36 | dataw0lf | Does it circle like a vulture? |
| 20:44.44 | Kemotaha | lol |
| 20:44.50 | levi | Waiting to pick your FLESH from your BONES. |
| 20:45.23 | Jayce^ | oh, I see, Kemotaha thinks all the internet is still using token-RING networking :) |
| 20:45.36 | Kemotaha | it isn't? |
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| 20:46.19 | Kemotaha | dataw0lf: http://www.worldsfamousphotos.com/larger-then-life-2004.html |
| 20:46.35 | Kemotaha | It is still a cool picture though |
| 20:47.44 | levi | A lot of the internet probably goes over SONET. |
| 20:48.13 | Kemotaha | We still bore holes for new connections though right? |
| 20:56.02 | moriancumer | Are there slide for the ssh presentation that was just given? |
| 21:03.01 | levi | dataw0lf: How are your Christmas rapping skills, though? |
| 21:04.26 | dataw0lf | Late at night waiting for Santa, with a jar of cookies and a glass of Fanta, I can't wait til he gets here; So I can say hi to him and his reindeer. |
| 21:04.32 | dataw0lf | chikka chikka |
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| 21:05.15 | unum | when I try to compile the sample code with libpqxx I get -> test001.cxx:(.text+0x1aa): undefined reference to `pqxx::connection_base::protocol_version() const' |
| 21:05.34 | unum | anyone know if I'm missing a package or what my problem is |
| 21:08.55 | dataw0lf | suddenly, some loud noise from the roof, I go outside, looking for some Yuletide proof. But when I look up, it's not Santa at all! It's two burglars, how criminal! I walk inside for my loaded AR-15, grab it, pull the chargin handle; I'ma put some holes in these vandals! |
| 21:08.59 | dataw0lf | gangsta christmas rap |
| 21:09.15 | dataw0lf | niche music, y'know? |
| 21:09.58 | tensai | dataw0lf: so the answer to levi's question would be "not very good" :) |
| 21:10.03 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:10.13 | dataw0lf | Indeed, indeed. |
| 21:10.22 | tensai | better than mine I'm afraid |
| 21:10.32 | ^Migs^ | TightProjector (http://www.tightvnc.com/projector) is neat, but does anyone know of an OSS alternative? |
| 21:10.45 | ^Migs^ | preferrably something not limited to Windows |
| 21:11.52 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: iTalc, maybe? |
| 21:13.58 | ^Migs^ | does that actually let you broadcast your desktop to others, though? |
| 21:14.12 | ^Migs^ | Because from the little I've seen of it, it doesn't |
| 21:14.36 | dataw0lf | "show a demo (either in fullscreen or in a window) - the teacher's screen is shown on all student's computers in realtime" |
| 21:14.42 | dataw0lf | http://italc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:14.47 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 21:14.49 | ^Migs^ | silly me, thanks! |
| 21:14.53 | dataw0lf | np |
| 21:14.57 | Kemotaha | you can use VNC and set it to view only |
| 21:15.23 | ^Migs^ | and web-enabled |
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| 21:15.26 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that could work too |
| 21:16.14 | sjansen | ∑ money? I don't understand? |
| 21:16.16 | brac | [iTALC] |
| 21:16.21 | sjansen | #utah is worth all the money in the world? |
| 21:16.36 | sjansen | #utah is an infinite money drain? |
| 21:16.51 | sjansen | #utah members would pay anything for UTF-8? |
| 21:17.02 | sjansen | #utah members should send all their money to sjansen for Christmas? |
| 21:38.41 | levi | sjansen: Hi, sjansen. |
| 21:39.12 | sjansen | Hi, levi. |
| 21:39.19 | sjansen | Sure is quiet. |
| 21:39.25 | sjansen | A little too quiet... |
| 21:40.01 | levi | It's been too quiet here lately a lot. |
| 21:40.10 | levi | You need to log in more often. |
| 21:41.03 | Tene | http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1207/Congress_to_say_Christmas_is_important_Sun_and_Moon_declared_good_too.html |
| 21:41.07 | brac | [Congress to say Christmas is important. Sun and Moon declared good too - The Crypt's Blog - Politico.com] |
| 21:42.25 | tensai | Tene: have they commented on gravity? |
| 21:43.07 | tensai | sjansen: you should have been here earlier when we were discussing beards and how having one makes you a dirty pirate |
| 21:43.47 | Kemotaha | sjansen: the real reason is that we were talking about you and when you came everyone ran away :) |
| 21:43.58 | dataw0lf | tensai: I think they did, it's the Enemy (tm). Especially for older women. |
| 21:44.15 | dataw0lf | I'm waiting for the War on Gravity to start, myself. |
| 21:45.03 | levi | dataw0lf: Hasn't plastic surgery conquered gravity in the case of older women? |
| 21:45.56 | dataw0lf | levi: oh yes, plastic surgery is definitely one of our primary weapons in the War on Gravity. But we're not winning it by any means. |
| 21:51.54 | sjansen | I'd think Congress would be pleased that woman aren't just floating into space every time they stand up our of their chairs. |
| 21:53.30 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Do you recall what dotfile does the calendar based e-mail alerts in UNIX systems? |
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| 21:55.26 | rsimpkins | Oh, maybe it's just 'calendar' |
| 21:55.58 | levi | sjansen: I don't think that's the objective of the 'War on Gravity'. Think 'perky'. :P |
| 21:55.59 | sjansen | I usually use at and cron for that. |
| 21:56.57 | tensai | * * * * * /usr/bin/think --perky |
| 21:57.09 | sjansen | rsimpkins: You're probably thinking of something site local. |
| 21:57.22 | dataw0lf | tensai: hehe |
| 21:58.16 | rsimpkins | sjansen: http://www.hmug.org/man/1/calendar.php |
| 21:58.17 | brac | [HMUG: man calendar (1)] |
| 21:58.23 | sjansen | http://www.pedigreequery.com/perky+pants |
| 21:58.26 | rsimpkins | sjansen: It's an old AT&T v7 thing. |
| 21:58.27 | brac | [Perky Pants Horse Pedigree] |
| 21:59.07 | sjansen | http://perkypants.org/ |
| 22:00.16 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Huh. Who knew? |
| 22:01.04 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | I * * * * * /usr/bin/think --perky |
| 22:01.13 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | * * * * * /usr/bin/think --perky |
| 22:01.36 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I've used it before. I was just trying to remember what it is. |
| 22:01.43 | levi | Google image search for 'perky' is interesting. (Performed with moderate safe-search on...) |
| 22:01.50 | rsimpkins | Looks like my 'modern' distro has dropped that feature though. |
| 22:01.55 | rsimpkins | Can't find it in RHEL/CentOS. |
| 22:02.30 | levi | Apparently lots of people name their rabbits 'Perky'. |
| 22:03.43 | dataw0lf | whew |
| 22:03.46 | dataw0lf | yea about what I expected |
| 22:03.57 | levi | Much different than safe-search on? |
| 22:04.48 | dataw0lf | pretty much looks like Vegas if the walls were made of glass |
| 22:05.10 | levi | Pretty different, then. |
| 22:06.08 | findlay | hello |
| 22:10.58 | dataw0lf | you'd think PHP would offer a builtin input sanitization library, since their programmers can't seem to write their own. |
| 22:12.36 | fozzmoo | The key words in that statement are "you'd think" |
| 22:12.51 | rsimpkins | What is the name of the local wireless ISP? |
| 22:12.52 | fozzmoo | IMO, those don't belong in a discussion about PHP programmers. ;-) |
| 22:13.02 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: There are many local wireless ISPs. |
| 22:13.06 | fozzmoo | They're all selling snake oil. :) |
| 22:13.11 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: point taken. |
| 22:13.14 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I thought there was one owned by a PLUGger. |
| 22:13.37 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: You'd think with over 3000 functions in the global name space you could find one to sanitize your stuff. :) |
| 22:13.54 | tensai | fozzmoo: I dispute that comment |
| 22:14.13 | fozzmoo | tensai: which one? :) |
| 22:14.14 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: hehe, no kidding |
| 22:14.28 | tensai | fozzmoo: well not local to you |
| 22:14.46 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: PHP is the only language I HAVE to have a reference open on when I use - php.net. Couldn't do much without it. Too many blasted functions to recall. |
| 22:15.05 | rsimpkins | tensai: Do you remember the name? |
| 22:15.06 | unum | rsimpkins: me too |
| 22:15.20 | levi | I just don't use PHP. |
| 22:15.25 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: yea, one of my main complaints of PHP is the global namespace AND lack of namespaces beyond classes. |
| 22:15.33 | dataw0lf | levi: you're lucky.. |
| 22:15.42 | dataw0lf | I don't have to write it, most of the time though. Just break it. |
| 22:15.55 | tensai | rsimpkins: I don't know the one in utah. I do remember the name of the great wyoming wireless ISP. hard to forget since it's on my paycheck. |
| 22:15.56 | levi | I /did/ use PHP, to do some simple templating for a personal home page. |
| 22:16.22 | rsimpkins | tensai: Oh, maybe it wasn't local then. Maybe it was yours I was thinking of. |
| 22:16.36 | dataw0lf | I'm doing some penetration testing on this client's custom CMS, the code is absolutely ridiculous. |
| 22:16.39 | tensai | rsimpkins: no, I think there is one |
| 22:16.44 | levi | And then I used Drupal for a while. But I wanted to extended, and then decided that if I was going to write code, it wasn't going to be in PHP. |
| 22:16.54 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Which CMS? |
| 22:16.57 | levi | Er, s/wanted to extended/wanted to extend it/ |
| 22:17.20 | dataw0lf | You can't fix absolute ineptitude of engineers by hiring application security engineers. We have to have something to start with. |
| 22:17.21 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Custom based on a standard one - or totally custom from scratch? |
| 22:17.29 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: custom from scratch. |
| 22:17.30 | tensai | rsimpkins: digis? |
| 22:17.33 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Yikes. |
| 22:17.57 | rsimpkins | tensai: Yeah. Who was it that owned it? |
| 22:18.07 | dataw0lf | XML/Ajax server that takes database QUERIES |
| 22:18.09 | rsimpkins | I should know, I just have a horrible memory. |
| 22:19.16 | tensai | rsimpkins: paul lambert registered the domain, but I don't recognize that name |
| 22:19.36 | dataw0lf | this PHP service cleans the queries once, it doesn't iterate over them. |
| 22:20.01 | dataw0lf | to remove DROPs and such since the db user has the ability to use DROPs.. |
| 22:20.10 | dataw0lf | DRDROPOP anyone? |
| 22:20.36 | levi | The doctor drop op! |
| 22:20.54 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, are you thiking about the one that's posted on plug? |
| 22:21.18 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Any var going to MySQL should have that whacky mysql_clean_vars_and_do_other_magic_stuff() function run on it I thought. :) |
| 22:21.30 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: *shudder* |
| 22:21.33 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Yeah. I think so. Who is it that runs that. |
| 22:22.19 | Jayce^ | that one is rapidwave, forget the guys name though |
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| 22:23.18 | tensai | Sterling Jacobson |
| 22:23.26 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: $value = "'" . mysql_real_escape_string($unsafe_value) . "'"; |
| 22:24.07 | dataw0lf | god look at that function name |
| 22:24.36 | dataw0lf | *gosh |
| 22:25.27 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Yeah. It's just how it works. |
| 22:25.53 | tensai | mysql_no_the_actual_escape_string() |
| 22:26.08 | tensai | mysql_seriously_now_use_the_correct_escape_string() |
| 22:26.22 | tensai | mysql_ok_cmon_this_isnt_funny_any_more_escape_string() |
| 22:26.26 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:27.04 | Jayce^ | mysql_ok_were_really_just_doing_a_cheap_regex_on_things_we_think_are_bad_but_can_be_exploited_and_what_about_other_dbms() |
| 22:27.13 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: You can't remember it unless you use it all day long. That's why PHP developers are really just copy/paste jockies. |
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| 22:27.53 | dataw0lf | then when the copied data is in their buffer, what applies absolutely no sense of programming theory to it? |
| 22:28.12 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: They copy/paste it around until it works. :) |
| 22:28.21 | dataw0lf | hehe, it's all making sense now. |
| 22:28.30 | elg | tensai, nick125: ok, so the dsl saga at the grandparents' is finally solved. LLC encapsulation, 0/32, RFC1483 Bridged with IP address. |
| 22:29.08 | rsimpkins | I use PHP for simple web sites that are personal use and are mostly HTML with just a touch of PHP really. |
| 22:29.09 | elg | a modem with a decent interface, and me being here in person, makes all the difference :) |
| 22:29.43 | rsimpkins | And of course, PLUG uses PHP. |
| 22:29.54 | rsimpkins | And it's a pain. |
| 22:30.08 | tensai | elg: they must have a different setup than me. that wouldn't fly on my network. |
| 22:30.58 | JoshH | elg: what ISP is using LLC? |
| 22:31.51 | elg | MStar |
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| 22:34.29 | fozzmoo | LLC? That's a nice one. |
| 22:34.38 | fozzmoo | All I've ever heard of is DMT and CAP |
| 22:34.54 | fozzmoo | Hey David Garcia! |
| 22:34.56 | tensai | fozzmoo: apples and oranges |
| 22:35.07 | JoshH | the alternative to LLC is VC-MUX |
| 22:35.12 | tensai | DMT and CAP are dsl signalling protocols |
| 22:35.16 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. okay. |
| 22:35.55 | davidgarcia | hi |
| 22:37.52 | tensai | ~welcome davidgarcia |
| 22:37.52 | ibot | Howdy, davidgarcia! |
| 22:38.07 | davidgarcia | thanks |
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| 22:39.44 | dataw0lf | man the LUG in Reno is terrible |
| 22:43.20 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: If you take a survey of LUGs around the country I think you might find very few do better than SLLUG/PLUG |
| 22:43.31 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: I actually used to be subscribed to 85 LUG lists. |
| 22:43.42 | dataw0lf | I'd tend to agree, but RLUG is bad by any standard. |
| 22:43.55 | rsimpkins | The Phoenix LUG is HUGE. They should probably break that out in to two or three smaller LUGs. |
| 22:44.34 | dataw0lf | the only good thing technology wise here is that I'm close enough to the Bay Area to be considered a proper member of "Baypiggies" |
| 22:45.31 | dataw0lf | the drive to their meetings is killing me though. |
| 22:45.31 | rsimpkins | SJC has some really great SIGs. |
| 22:45.34 | davidgarcia | I am looking for a programmer to hire |
| 22:45.50 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: There are a few in here. :) |
| 22:46.01 | davidgarcia | sweet |
| 22:46.05 | dataw0lf | davidgarcia: contract? |
| 22:46.11 | davidgarcia | no |
| 22:46.20 | dataw0lf | oh, nevermind then. |
| 22:46.26 | davidgarcia | why? |
| 22:46.40 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: Most developers these days have jobs. |
| 22:46.40 | dataw0lf | because I like my fulltime job :) |
| 22:46.59 | davidgarcia | I guess it could be contract but it is a really big project |
| 22:47.01 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: What language do you need them skilled in? |
| 22:48.23 | findlay | dataw0lf: a few months ago I was in a car accident just east of Reno |
| 22:48.36 | dataw0lf | findlay: oh yea? bad? |
| 22:48.38 | findlay | we should have crashed at your house for the night :) |
| 22:48.42 | findlay | bad |
| 22:48.54 | dataw0lf | dang, yea, I have a guest bedroom for emergencies like that :) |
| 22:49.06 | davidgarcia | I took a business idea to VC group and they have a website that they said would merge grate with my idea |
| 22:49.09 | dataw0lf | the girlfriend loves to play hostess. |
| 22:49.18 | davidgarcia | php |
| 22:49.20 | findlay | 80 mph -> swerves -> 4 rollovers through the median into the eastbound traffic |
| 22:49.24 | davidgarcia | c |
| 22:49.27 | davidgarcia | Java |
| 22:49.31 | davidgarcia | The basics |
| 22:49.34 | dataw0lf | davidgarcia: check out #uphpu |
| 22:49.51 | dataw0lf | the general sentiment here is one of anti-PHP and to a slightly lesser extent anti-Java |
| 22:49.53 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: Where are you based, utah county? |
| 22:50.09 | davidgarcia | well what ever will work best to get the job done |
| 22:50.13 | findlay | dataw0lf: but we all walked away |
| 22:50.15 | findlay | :) |
| 22:50.38 | dataw0lf | findlay: that's lucky. Where exactly was it at? Did you hit a wild horse or something? ;| |
| 22:50.52 | Jayce^ | davidgarcia, ah, good.. then it's mostly whatever your programmers know best :) |
| 22:50.58 | davidgarcia | correct |
| 22:51.04 | findlay | dataw0lf: no, my roomate was driving and he fell asleep for a couple of seconds and lost control |
| 22:51.11 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: Have you posted to the PLUG list yet? |
| 22:51.18 | davidgarcia | this opportunity would involve a prtnership also |
| 22:51.20 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: If not, I can do that for you if you want to send me some details. |
| 22:51.25 | davidgarcia | that is what the VC folks wanted |
| 22:53.03 | Jayce^ | yeah, get a posting ready, then link in here, and we can help you hit the lugs+sigs in the area |
| 22:53.06 | findlay | dataw0lf: it was about here http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=&ie=UTF8&ll=39.587567,-119.428596&spn=0.098689,0.166168&t=h&z=13&om=1 |
| 22:53.23 | Jayce^ | and make sure the posting is prepared to good quality :> |
| 22:54.47 | rsimpkins | My father rolled his car a few times outside Nellis AFB on his way to work (as a firefighter). |
| 22:54.54 | rsimpkins | Kinda like the firemen burning down the firehouse. |
| 22:55.31 | rsimpkins | Since he was a city employee they were able to transfer him with the paramedics instead of the body wagon they transfer you and I in. |
| 22:55.41 | dataw0lf | findlay: oh wow, ya real close to Reno |
| 22:56.11 | dataw0lf | next time you're (or anyone for that matter) are coming through Reno let me know and I'll give you my cell # in case of emergency or if you just need a place to crash. |
| 22:56.20 | dataw0lf | s/you're/you/ |
| 22:56.27 | findlay | awesome |
| 22:56.59 | sontek | 18060 root 39 19 7464 3652 1640 R 97.6 1.4 25:27.42 misc-functions. |
| 22:57.08 | sontek | haha, never saw 'misc-functions' before |
| 22:58.53 | davidgarcia | what is the plug list |
| 22:59.33 | dataw0lf | davidgarcia: Provo Linux User Group mailing list. |
| 23:00.24 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: http://plug.org/mailman/listinfo/plug |
| 23:00.53 | rsimpkins | davidgarcia: The more details the better. |
| 23:02.50 | dataw0lf | http://www.local6.com/news/14857286/detail.html |
| 23:02.52 | brac | [Student Arrested After Cutting Food With Knife - Orlando News Story - WKMG Orlando] |
| 23:02.52 | dataw0lf | No, no, really. |
| 23:03.39 | findlay | food is illegal |
| 23:03.41 | findlay | duh |
| 23:04.22 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: I smell a lawsuit. |
| 23:04.52 | dataw0lf | "I know how we can fix the problem with violence in schools. Let's hire people with little or no common sense!" |
| 23:04.58 | rsimpkins | It is florida. |
| 23:05.02 | dataw0lf | this is true. |
| 23:05.19 | Jayce^ | not a big surprise on the knife.. |
| 23:05.20 | dataw0lf | Florida and common sense don't mix too well. |
| 23:05.27 | dataw0lf | See: trailers and hurricanes. |
| 23:06.00 | rsimpkins | Nothing is surprising any more, but it is still sad. |
| 23:06.26 | dataw0lf | the winner is still the medal of honor awardee who got hassled by the TSA. |
| 23:06.26 | rsimpkins | Placing the kid in police custody over something (as described in the story) is pretty sad. |
| 23:06.32 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: no kidding. |
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| 23:07.05 | rsimpkins | I hope her parents have the common sense to get their daughter of that whacky school. |
| 23:07.30 | Jayce^ | and go *where*.. |
| 23:07.42 | rsimpkins | Wyoming. |
| 23:07.58 | fozzmoo | (sings) It's the end of common sense as we know it... and I'm going blind. |
| 23:08.02 | rsimpkins | Probably every kid in school has a knife in Wyoming. :) |
| 23:08.15 | dataw0lf | or Montana. My cousin used to bring his hunting rifle to school so he wouldn't have to go back home and grab it during deer season. |
| 23:08.49 | rsimpkins | I hope to move to the middle of nowhere Idaho some day. |
| 23:08.49 | dataw0lf | this is post-Columbine, mind you. |
| 23:09.47 | findlay | Idaho: where there's no topography for miles, only bomb shelters |
| 23:10.04 | dataw0lf | even growing up in south Chicago and attending a school that had a problem with violence and and utilized metal detectors and the whole shebang, the staff had some modicum of sense. |
| 23:11.03 | rsimpkins | Actually - maybe we should contain all the nut-jobs in Florida. |
| 23:11.12 | rsimpkins | Let's errect a fence around it. |
| 23:11.27 | rsimpkins | If we find a nutjob we'll throw them over. |
| 23:11.27 | dataw0lf | I've been saying that for years! |
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| 23:15.35 | tensai | Idaho rocks! w00t! |
| 23:16.57 | tensai | dataw0lf: so next time anybody drives through Reno, you want them to crash into your house? at 80mph? ok, dude... |
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| 23:17.37 | dataw0lf | ahhh, but that's why I live in a duplex and I live in the one that _doesn't_ face the street. |
| 23:19.05 | dataw0lf | alright, I must bid adieu. Gotta zero this optical sight on my AR. Ciao! |
| 23:19.05 | tensai | I think they call that a crumple zone |
| 23:46.02 | rsimpkins | Our group really needs some work. |
| 23:46.30 | rsimpkins | PLUG is sort of the 'face' of the open source community in Utah County - and I think we could do a better job explaining what's up. |
| 23:47.59 | rsimpkins | Just got a call from a recruiter. Some of these poor guys don't know the first thing about FOSS or what it means. |
| 23:48.22 | rsimpkins | He didn't even know PLUG existed, or the advantages of such a group. |
| 23:58.21 | davidgarcia | those recruiters |
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