| 00:00.14 | tensai | ~define krell |
| 00:00.14 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 00:00.21 | tensai | ~wiki krell |
| 00:02.13 | vontrapp | ~dict krell |
| 00:02.35 | vontrapp | i swear there was a hacker dictionary type thing ibot could do |
| 00:02.54 | vontrapp | ~dict foo |
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| 00:06.27 | pelaofeliz | ~urbandict foo |
| 00:07.51 | vontrapp | ~krell is horizontally moving indicator |
| 00:07.52 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 00:08.05 | vontrapp | as defined by gkrellm |
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| 00:46.11 | maquis | goozbach: i'm here now |
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| 01:26.30 | elg | -metar klru |
| 01:26.30 | brac | KLRU 110116Z AUTO 00000KT 7SM BKN003 OVC007 10/10 A2985 RMK AO2 |
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| 01:39.41 | vontrapp | see elg, you already have programatic metar fetching with brac |
| 01:39.52 | vontrapp | why not just throw that in ruby-wx? |
| 01:44.53 | elg | go ahead |
| 01:44.54 | elg | -rbot |
| 01:44.57 | elg | -rbot? |
| 01:44.57 | brac | That's me! :-)) |
| 01:45.01 | elg | ~rbot |
| 01:45.06 | elg | -version? |
| 01:45.07 | brac | who knows? |
| 01:45.07 | brac | I'm a v. 0.9.10 rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert - http://linuxbrit.co.uk/rbot/ |
| 02:09.21 | Supaplex | any brave souls lead me to how I can inspect what forcedeth is up to, say with gdb? c/o debian #455195 |
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| 02:20.15 | sontek | Supaplex: I don't know what forcedeth is but using gdb is pretty easy |
| 02:20.31 | sontek | Supaplex: or depending on what you need, an strace might work |
| 02:20.57 | Supaplex | it's a kernel module |
| 02:28.45 | sontek | http://kgdb.linsyssoft.com/ |
| 02:28.46 | brac | [KGDB: Linux Kernel Source Level Debugger] |
| 02:34.19 | Supaplex | looks like a good place to start |
| 02:34.24 | Supaplex | thanks :) |
| 02:54.19 | elg | mmmmm! biscuits and gravy |
| 02:57.33 | rsimpkins | Is it so much to ask!? I only want two pieces of software to complete my life. A rock-solid feature rich web-based bookmark manager. And a way to organize my movies and music in a way that makes it super-simple. |
| 02:58.51 | Tene | rsimpkins: I'm curious about your thoughts on furl. |
| 02:59.38 | herlo | rsimpkins: what about your books? |
| 02:59.51 | Tene | nobody reads books anymore. |
| 02:59.55 | Tene | only blogs |
| 02:59.56 | rsimpkins | I don't have that many books - but maybe generic 'media' would fit. |
| 03:00.02 | Tene | get with the times, herlo. |
| 03:00.07 | rsimpkins | I want to control the code. |
| 03:00.15 | rsimpkins | So can you download the furl source? |
| 03:00.28 | Tene | rsimpkins: you could get a job at looksmart. ;) |
| 03:02.05 | rsimpkins | The bookmark managers I've used waste screen real-estate like it's going out of style. Not everyone has 30" studio displays. |
| 03:02.38 | herlo | Tene: what do you mean? Books increase your intelligence, I have proof |
| 03:03.50 | rsimpkins | I really want a FOSS app that integrates with iTunes and auto-updates a database with all my itunes goodness. |
| 03:03.51 | Tene | herlo: where, in a book? I read a blog post the other day that said something about books... I don't remember... |
| 03:04.12 | rsimpkins | Because I think iTunes is right on the verge of total worthlessness. |
| 03:04.14 | herlo | http://www.persistenceunlimited.com/2007/12/the-26-major-advantages-to-reading-more-books-and-why-3-in-4-people-are-being-shut-out-of-success/ |
| 03:04.31 | Tene | rsimpkins: why do you care if it's FOSS if you don't care that iTunes isn't? |
| 03:04.57 | Tene | That... really confuses me. |
| 03:05.05 | rsimpkins | herlo: www.reallylongurlsareforsissyes.com/2007/12/03/ten-reasons-why-people-should-avoid-really-long-urls-for-their-popular-websites-and-day-to-day-website-url-needs.html |
| 03:05.19 | herlo | ~lart rsimpkins |
| 03:05.19 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking rsimpkins's head off |
| 03:05.40 | rsimpkins | Tene: Because iTunes sucks because it isn't. |
| 03:05.55 | rsimpkins | I want to get my stuff OUT of iTunes. |
| 03:06.19 | Tene | Why is it in there in the first place? |
| 03:06.34 | rsimpkins | It takes control of your computer. it's like a virus. |
| 03:06.43 | rsimpkins | Eating up all your music. |
| 03:07.02 | Tene | If you care about FOSS so much, why did you use it at all? |
| 03:07.23 | rsimpkins | Huh? |
| 03:07.37 | rsimpkins | So if I care about FOSS I can't use propritary software? |
| 03:07.41 | Tene | Eh? |
| 03:07.53 | rsimpkins | I just wanna listen to music... *sob* |
| 03:08.03 | Tene | herlo: tl;dr |
| 03:08.13 | rsimpkins | I don't know how to buy things via the itunes store without itunes. |
| 03:08.16 | rsimpkins | Maybe there is a way. |
| 03:08.26 | rsimpkins | And I'm not sure how to sync my iphone and nano without it either. |
| 03:08.41 | rsimpkins | I'm sure there are ways though. |
| 03:09.14 | herlo | Tene: huh? |
| 03:09.24 | Tene | herlo: "too long; didn't read" |
| 03:09.34 | herlo | Tene: the link? |
| 03:09.50 | Tene | herlo: yes, I was kidding. |
| 03:09.52 | herlo | Tene: figures |
| 03:09.55 | Supaplex | rsimpkins: I know, we'll call it technology ;) |
| 03:10.00 | fozzmoo | ~thwack Tene |
| 03:10.01 | ibot | ACTION smacks Tene on the arm with a Holy Bible |
| 03:10.03 | rsimpkins | What I find interesting is that there are only 26 major advantages to reading. |
| 03:10.04 | fozzmoo | Whoa. |
| 03:10.28 | herlo | rsimpkins: that's one guys opinion... :) |
| 03:11.04 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: I think you now know why I carry (a) iAudio X5L and (b) Palm Treo 700p |
| 03:11.26 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Lucky guy. |
| 03:11.56 | Tene | rsimpkins: I wasn't trying to say anything of the sort, I was just confused. |
| 03:12.17 | rsimpkins | I say we revolt. Take over the world. And fix patent laws, global warming, the media, and a bunch of other stuff all at once. |
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| 03:31.36 | findlay | hello |
| 03:32.17 | findlay | no way, let's fix apartment cooling before global warming or else I'll die of hypothermia |
| 03:41.54 | findlay | and won't anybody think about Lakshmi's timeout problems?! |
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| 04:02.01 | levi | Woohoo, done with finals! |
| 04:02.09 | dmdavis | gratz |
| 04:02.14 | findlay | ~lart levi |
| 04:02.14 | ibot | takes out levi with the trash |
| 04:02.29 | jsmith | levi: So, what you gonna do with all the free time? |
| 04:02.47 | findlay | he's going to do half of the rest of my finals :) |
| 04:03.23 | levi | Um... well, between when I get home and my daughter goes to bed, I'll be taking care of her. And then I've got a bunch of stuff to fix around the house. |
| 04:03.35 | levi | That'll probably take me through the break. |
| 04:07.28 | dmdavis | any recommendations for a cheap (< $50) video card for linux? |
| 04:07.45 | dmdavis | my brothers onboard video doesn't run his LCD at its native res, 1680x1050 |
| 04:07.50 | nick125 | dmdavis: Probably something like an FX5200 or so. |
| 04:08.05 | nick125 | The propietary nvidia drivers work decently. |
| 04:08.21 | nick125 | Although, the newer ATI cards have open source 3d drivers in the works. |
| 04:08.51 | dmdavis | I found a nvidia 8400GS for 49.99. you think that's worth it? |
| 04:09.04 | nick125 | That's not bad. |
| 04:09.21 | nick125 | I believe the 8xxx series is supported in the propietary drivers. |
| 04:09.56 | dmdavis | cool. I'm figuring that higher numbers == better card |
| 04:10.13 | nick125 | In each series, that's typically true. |
| 04:10.30 | nick125 | Anyone here know if it is possible to use SMART with an USB enclosure? |
| 04:10.32 | dmdavis | although, we got a 7200 to replace a geforce4, and it was worse :( |
| 04:10.46 | nick125 | hm. |
| 04:11.27 | findlay | I had a geforce4 for a long time and it was awesome |
| 04:11.51 | findlay | now I've got some 6000-level nvidia (onboard) with the same memory and it's *way* worse |
| 04:12.31 | dmdavis | yeah, I'm seeing a geforce4 ti, and it's going for 165 |
| 04:12.39 | dmdavis | that card is at least 5 years old! |
| 04:14.12 | findlay | 6100 and actually it has 4x the memory of my old geforce4 |
| 04:14.22 | dmdavis | wow |
| 04:14.34 | findlay | Region 1: Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] |
| 04:15.02 | findlay | maybe nvidia's sabotaging linux |
| 04:15.18 | levi | The first number is the series, and the series generally tells you what features it supports. The later numbers indicate what its performance level is in the series. |
| 04:15.19 | dmdavis | my negative experiences were in Windows |
| 04:15.52 | dmdavis | so an 8400 may be worse than a 7900? |
| 04:15.55 | levi | So, I think the 8xxx series supports DirectX 10 stuff, but an 8200 isn't a very fast card. |
| 04:16.06 | findlay | levi: but wouldn't you expect a version 6 card to outperform most if not all version 4 cards? |
| 04:16.15 | levi | findlay: Not necessarily. |
| 04:16.20 | findlay | hm |
| 04:16.29 | dmdavis | well, would have |
| 04:16.51 | findlay | you would think that they have all of this technology laying around and they'd have to dumb it down to make it worse on purpose |
| 04:17.37 | findlay | so a 6100 is basically the worst version available :) |
| 04:17.44 | levi | I think the low-end cards are made to essentially just do basic 3d rendering stuff. I know the 7200 was specifically designed to make a cheap Aero-compatible card for Vista. |
| 04:19.03 | levi | It also makes a pretty decent Linux desktop card with 3d desktop effects. |
| 04:19.37 | dmdavis | if I'm just looking for decent res (1680x1050) and dual monitor, I can pretty much go with the cheapest card I find though, right? |
| 04:20.38 | nick125 | I don't think I can get SMART to work over USB |
| 04:21.19 | elg | dmdavis: i don't think just any card can do dual |
| 04:21.24 | elg | though many can |
| 04:21.38 | dmdavis | right, but any with two plugs |
| 04:23.25 | elg | assuming both plugs can be active, and they're not just alternate formats |
| 04:23.42 | elg | and, some nvidia cards can do dual monitor but only have one plug, and you use an adapter |
| 04:23.53 | dmdavis | interesting |
| 04:24.11 | dmdavis | thanks for the caveats |
| 04:24.15 | elg | in the good ol' days I got dual monitor working with two video cards. wouldn't recommend that though |
| 04:24.23 | elg | esp. now that dual-monitor cards are so commonplace |
| 04:24.38 | dmdavis | and considering the second card would have to be pci in this case |
| 04:24.44 | elg | yes, it would |
| 04:24.51 | elg | and there can be really strange issues |
| 04:26.57 | findlay | doesn't pcix fix all of those kinds of problems with superduper magic? |
| 04:29.11 | elg | not likely |
| 04:29.22 | elg | since the problems in question have nothing to do with inherent limitations |
| 04:29.50 | elg | plain and simple, the hardware and/or driver devs didn't think about the case of two video cards on the same system |
| 04:30.02 | elg | when it worked it was an accident |
| 04:30.41 | nick125 | elg: Well, I'd think with stuff like SLI, it'd be a concern. |
| 04:35.49 | dmdavis | any recommendations for a basic TV capture card to use in Linux? doesn't need HD. |
| 04:42.26 | levi | elg: You might find this interesting: http://blog.moertel.com/articles/2007/12/10/how-i-stopped-missing-darcs-and-started-loving-git |
| 04:42.47 | levi | dmdavis: Of course you need HD. HD is awesome. ;) |
| 04:44.03 | levi | dmdavis: Anyway, I got a cheap nvidia 7200 that has no fan, supports dual-monitors, and comes with a HDTV component video adapter. |
| 04:45.28 | dmdavis | levi: sure _I_ need HD. this is for my brother, though. |
| 04:46.46 | dmdavis | I fonud an nvidia 6600 for $35 which looks pretty sweet, and I think will be better than the 7200 and 7300 I found that were as cheap |
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| 05:08.49 | levi | dmdavis: Probably will be better, though it will probably have a fan. |
| 05:09.37 | dmdavis | levi:it does, but reviews say it's quiet |
| 05:13.12 | levi | Cool. |
| 05:13.45 | levi | This looks pretty nifty: http://scala-blogs.org/2007/12/dynamic-web-applications-with-lift-and.html |
| 06:06.39 | Tene | http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ |
| 06:06.39 | brac | [Do websites need to look exactly the same in every browser?] |
| 06:12.31 | findlay | doesTeneneedtolookexactlythesameineveryircclient? |
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| 06:33.59 | maquis | http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/12/1210_bestworst_housing/index_01.htm?chan=rss_topSlideShows_ssi_5 |
| 06:34.01 | brac | [The Best and Worst Housing Markets 2007 - BusinessWeek] |
| 06:34.03 | maquis | utah is doing pretty well |
| 06:34.35 | fozzmoo | That says a lot because a guy in my ward works for a home building company and they've had to lay off a LOT of people. |
| 06:35.49 | maquis | slc, provo and ogden are all in the top 5 |
| 06:36.05 | fozzmoo | Why is Wenatchee, WA doing so well> |
| 06:36.10 | maquis | dunno |
| 06:36.13 | maquis | seattle's 19th |
| 06:36.31 | fozzmoo | Grand Junction, CO is weird. |
| 06:36.45 | fozzmoo | I've been there a few times. I have no idea what people do there for money. |
| 06:36.53 | maquis | why are so many of the "median home price" values "NA" |
| 06:37.04 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:37.17 | maquis | i wish prices around here were like in idaho falls |
| 06:37.26 | maquis | we could have 2 houses there |
| 06:37.30 | fozzmoo | Wow. Ogden-Clearfield. |
| 06:37.40 | fozzmoo | That's a surprise. |
| 06:38.00 | maquis | btw, i like how the pics for #4, #5 and #6 all have LDS temples in them... that rather startled me |
| 06:38.35 | maquis | logan's #11 |
| 06:38.51 | fozzmoo | And Asheville, NC has a coat of haze. |
| 06:39.22 | fozzmoo | No temple in Logan's picture. |
| 06:39.51 | fozzmoo | Yakima is an interesting place. |
| 06:39.58 | fozzmoo | Been through there on my way back from Seattle. |
| 06:40.12 | fozzmoo | Seems fueled by the area AF base. |
| 06:40.34 | fozzmoo | Oooh. Spokane. Lovely. |
| 06:40.41 | fozzmoo | Absolutely beautiful up there. |
| 06:42.14 | fozzmoo | SHOCKER! #1 Worst housing market: California... a blue state. |
| 06:42.46 | fozzmoo | #3. California. |
| 06:43.01 | fozzmoo | #4. California. |
| 06:43.14 | fozzmoo | #5. California. |
| 06:43.17 | fozzmoo | (See a trend?) |
| 06:43.51 | fozzmoo | The others are in Florida. |
| 06:44.01 | fozzmoo | #8. Modesto, CA. |
| 06:44.11 | fozzmoo | That's too bad. I have an uncle that lives there. |
| 06:44.56 | findlay | what does blue state mean? |
| 06:45.12 | fozzmoo | findlay: It means they usually vote democrat in national elections. |
| 06:45.25 | findlay | is that the state you're in when you decide not to breathe? |
| 06:45.32 | fozzmoo | Pretty much. :) |
| 06:45.44 | fozzmoo | State you're in when you shut off you brain. :) |
| 06:46.03 | findlay | and red state is when you're so sanguine you don't think about anything |
| 06:46.23 | fozzmoo | red state is where you're working so hard to make money, you can't worry about politics. :) |
| 06:47.00 | fozzmoo | Oh, here we go. Michigan. |
| 06:47.09 | fozzmoo | Another VERY blue state. union workers. |
| 06:47.15 | fozzmoo | Not doing too well up there, I hear. |
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| 06:47.57 | maquis | there's a few bad ones in michigan |
| 06:48.06 | maquis | but aside from 3 michigans, they're all CA or FL |
| 06:48.39 | fozzmoo | California, I attribute to their messed up economic policies. |
| 06:48.51 | fozzmoo | Florida is probably people leaving because they're sick of the storms. |
| 06:48.55 | fozzmoo | But I dunno. |
| 06:48.58 | maquis | i dunno |
| 06:49.20 | findlay | fozzmoo: the West Ogden area is actually a nice area |
| 06:49.25 | findlay | west of I-15 |
| 06:49.26 | maquis | hurricanes have a major advantage over earthquakes, imho |
| 06:49.44 | fozzmoo | findlay: Yeah. I considered living in that area. North and west of Roy. |
| 06:50.12 | findlay | from Brigham to Nephi |
| 06:50.21 | findlay | the cities, that is |
| 06:50.46 | fozzmoo | The housing market may be doing good, but I don't know where people in Weber and Davis Counties get jobs. |
| 06:51.01 | fozzmoo | Same thing with Logan. |
| 06:51.03 | findlay | it's a self-sustaining mystery |
| 06:51.04 | fozzmoo | It's a mystery. |
| 06:51.36 | fozzmoo | A lot of people in North Logan moved there after they made their riches in California or something like that. |
| 06:51.49 | findlay | that's the prime reason why I'm not considering USU. Of coures if they give me a good scholarship, I'd go |
| 06:51.50 | fozzmoo | Now they're just living off the dividends. |
| 06:58.30 | fozzmoo | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/12/open_source_hardware_gift.html |
| 06:58.31 | brac | [MAKE: Blog: Open Source Hardware Gift Guide] |
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| 16:18.27 | levi | fozzmoo: My mother in law works for a builder, too, and the situation is pretty dire. |
| 16:18.52 | levi | Tons of layoffs, lots of builders went bankrupt, etc. |
| 16:18.52 | fozzmoo | so I hear. |
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| 16:27.54 | levi | Aside from the new home market drying up, though, things seem to not have gone hugely crazy. |
| 16:30.06 | fozzmoo | goozbach: ping |
| 16:31.38 | tensai | idaho falls seems to have weathered it OK. the home market has definitely slowed, but I haven't heard of layoffs or bankrupcies like many places. |
| 16:32.11 | tensai | now is not a good time to sell your house though. I've seen a lot of them sitting for many months. |
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| 16:33.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: pong |
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| 16:52.46 | tensai | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458 |
| 16:54.07 | jsmith-busy | tensai: They had to document that, as the Windows installer won't remove the Linux partitions |
| 16:54.31 | tensai | jsmith-busy: isn't that a *good* behavior? |
| 16:54.38 | ^Migs^ | MMMmmmMmMm. We're having Famous Dave's cater today. |
| 16:55.14 | ^Migs^ | I love their logo. A pig licking his chops and frying up sausage. |
| 16:55.50 | fozzmoo | Something sick and twisted about that. |
| 16:56.38 | jsmith-busy | tensai: It's certainly OK by me ;-) |
| 16:58.30 | tensai | ^Migs^: which "chops"? his hands, sliced pork chops, or the location that chops come from (the lower back)? |
| 16:58.41 | ^Migs^ | I mean licking his lips |
| 16:58.55 | ^Migs^ | isn't that the proper euphemism? |
| 16:59.05 | ^Migs^ | is that even a euphemism at all? |
| 16:59.48 | tensai | ^Migs^: no, it is (and I'm not sure why I was thinking chops meant hands). just in the context of a pig, it could be taken differently |
| 17:00.28 | goozbach | yay! |
| 17:00.38 | goozbach | I just got rid of all the comment spam on my original site |
| 17:00.53 | goozbach | some 5700 porn/drug/sex related spams. |
| 17:01.12 | goozbach | I shouldn't have opened up automatic trackbacks I guess |
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| 17:11.42 | maquis | i need to clean out the spam on my site... |
| 17:12.37 | rsimpkins | Gahh!! Windows is SOOO SLOW! |
| 17:13.36 | Kemotaha | rsimpkins: this will clean it up: |
| 17:13.41 | Kemotaha | deltree c:/ |
| 17:13.44 | Kemotaha | deltree c:\ |
| 17:13.46 | Kemotaha | I mean |
| 17:14.17 | rsimpkins | I really like some MS products. I know that's horrible of me to say, some of them are actually okay. |
| 17:14.49 | Kemotaha | I do too. I say that Microsoft is a great applications company |
| 17:15.07 | rsimpkins | However, the OS they run under! OUCH! |
| 17:15.14 | rsimpkins | The thing is a dog. |
| 17:15.17 | vontrapp | angry twins! |
| 17:15.18 | Kemotaha | very true |
| 17:15.23 | vontrapp | with nose rings |
| 17:16.07 | vontrapp | um, i like a very few windows apps |
| 17:16.16 | vontrapp | most of them probably aren't by microsoft even |
| 17:16.36 | rsimpkins | I'm kind of a fan of most of MS Office. |
| 17:16.54 | sontek | I like MS Office, the SQL Management tools, and Visual Studio |
| 17:16.56 | vontrapp | i guess VS is pretty good as IDEs go, but i hate IDEs in general, so yeah |
| 17:16.58 | rsimpkins | Maybe it's just 'what I know' - but I'm pretty productive in Viso/Powerpoint/Excel/Word. |
| 17:17.28 | rsimpkins | Apple's office suite looks really great - but I don't have it. |
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| 17:18.05 | vontrapp | mostly i can't stand the os |
| 17:18.13 | sontek | The best thing about ms office is the stability, I want to track down the open office devs everytime I try to do a presentation with it and it drops my master page half way through |
| 17:18.20 | vontrapp | i was helping a coworker with his vista laptop |
| 17:18.25 | vontrapp | it was SOOOOOOo slow |
| 17:18.34 | sontek | blame his hardware, not the os ;) |
| 17:18.49 | sontek | Not vista's fault he's a cheapskate |
| 17:19.09 | vontrapp | well, if they're going to ram it down everyones throaghts they could at least make it play nice on the hardware they're forcing it onto |
| 17:19.39 | rsimpkins | There is no reason an OS should be getting slower and slower. |
| 17:19.49 | rsimpkins | I actually had a speed INCREASE going from 2.4 to 2.6. |
| 17:20.13 | sontek | I haven't ever used vista, but it looks pretty :P |
| 17:20.17 | vontrapp | granted, you can't take an os from nowadays and put it on a 500MHz and expect it to be zippy |
| 17:20.25 | rsimpkins | The downside is, I won't be getting a new laptop any time soon because my old one is more than adequate for Fedora. |
| 17:20.28 | sontek | the pretty costs extra on the hardware! |
| 17:20.32 | vontrapp | but c'mon, this is new computers, even if they are bottom rung, they're still new |
| 17:20.50 | rsimpkins | sontek: It looks pretty - sometimes - other times it looks exactly like XP> |
| 17:21.04 | vontrapp | sontek: yeah, about the only good thing about vista is the thinking curser |
| 17:21.10 | rsimpkins | sontek: About a zillion apps force vista to turn off all the pretty stuff. |
| 17:21.11 | vontrapp | cool little spinny blue wheely thing |
| 17:21.27 | vontrapp | and it better be pretty, cause you'll be looking at it a lot |
| 17:21.59 | rsimpkins | Vista is DOA. I know very few people who are happy with it. |
| 17:22.09 | vontrapp | ~doa |
| 17:22.10 | ibot | i heard doa is dead on arrival |
| 17:22.28 | rsimpkins | However, I keep getting more excited bout my Linux desktop. |
| 17:22.33 | rsimpkins | Things continue to improve. |
| 17:22.48 | vontrapp | yeah, i find it hilarious that NOBODY is excited about vista |
| 17:22.54 | sontek | I don't know anyone who is amazed/excited about it, but I know a lot of people who are content with it, they act like its a shinier XP |
| 17:22.59 | tensai | ~lart echo |
| 17:22.59 | ibot | turns echo into a lifesized tux doll |
| 17:23.38 | vontrapp | sontek: and the speed thing, they say it was fast when they first got it, then a couple days ago it just "got slow" |
| 17:23.53 | vontrapp | i was worried i did it when i put ooffice on there (didn't come with word i guess?) |
| 17:23.59 | vontrapp | but the couple days ago thing vindicated me |
| 17:24.58 | vontrapp | haha, and when i was trying to connect it to the wireless network, all i got was "no networks found" |
| 17:25.18 | vontrapp | wasn't until i clicked on "diagnose why no networks were found" that it told me the stupid wireless card was disabled |
| 17:25.51 | vontrapp | would it have killed them to say "your wireless card is disabled" instead of "click here to diagnose blah blah" |
| 17:26.11 | sontek | vontrapp: yeah, I don't know about the performance, but I don't know anyone with any semi-outdated hardware either, we are all devs so we have pretty decent stuff |
| 17:26.57 | rsimpkins | Proof that MS Windows ?? is horrible: I'm currently running my weekly spybot sweep, and virus scan. |
| 17:27.01 | vontrapp | all i know is it's new and came with vista, that alone one can expect it run good |
| 17:27.08 | rsimpkins | So my box is basically unusable for a good 3 hours. |
| 17:27.12 | sontek | lol! I love the spybot sweeps, I miss those |
| 17:27.19 | vontrapp | i did look at the proc specs, 1.5GHz or something, don't know if it had speed step |
| 17:27.24 | sontek | I think i'm going to get wine and run spybot on here |
| 17:27.57 | rsimpkins | Spybot is searching for a possible 81,000 bots! |
| 17:28.07 | rsimpkins | The number has grown. |
| 17:28.21 | vontrapp | and that mac commercial poking fun at the security sentry asking you questions all over... soooooo true |
| 17:28.36 | vontrapp | each time a program wnated to do something i had to allow it to TWICE |
| 17:28.39 | vontrapp | for the same thing |
| 17:28.41 | rsimpkins | That is a great ad. |
| 17:29.44 | sontek | we pretty much have the samething in Linux though, if your wireless driver is disabled, NetworkManager isn't going to show you wireless networks |
| 17:29.52 | sontek | and selinux isn't going to ask you, its just going to deny you |
| 17:30.07 | rsimpkins | Linux has it's own weaknesses. No doubt about it. |
| 17:30.24 | rsimpkins | At least with Linux you have a chance at getting down and dirty. |
| 17:31.08 | vontrapp | true, but it's also greyed out, it doesn't pretend it's looking for networks and not finding them |
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| 17:32.25 | vontrapp | and package managers, something you'll never ever find in windows |
| 17:35.35 | rsimpkins | Yeah MS really missed the boat on an integrated 'store' for their system. |
| 17:35.47 | rsimpkins | Something ala iTunes, but for MS apps. |
| 17:36.08 | rsimpkins | I'm sure if they rolled it out they'd get insane response though. |
| 17:36.25 | vontrapp | anyone used calendar popups with rails? |
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| 17:37.56 | tensai | maquis: can you take all the annoying Kindle marketing off of Amazon? kthxbye |
| 17:38.43 | vontrapp | ew, hot cocoa doesn't taste very sweet after gum |
| 17:41.21 | rsimpkins | Oh, I didn't realize Omniture get's caught as a spybot. |
| 17:41.22 | rsimpkins | That's fun. |
| 17:41.50 | rsimpkins | I'm spying on you all right now. |
| 17:45.07 | tensai | I block web analytics with adblock whenever I find them |
| 17:45.35 | rsimpkins | It doesn't help. :) |
| 17:45.45 | rsimpkins | You think it does, and so as long as you feel warm and fuzzy. |
| 17:46.42 | rsimpkins | Some day I think the way we gather stats is going to change significantly, as it will with most of the analytics packages out there. |
| 17:48.54 | tensai | warm and fuzzy works for DHS, why not for me? |
| 17:53.55 | tensai | rsimpkins: from what I've seen, analytics have all moved to using javascript collectors since log analyzers don't give you nearly so much data (such as browser size). how can blocking the javascript collectors not have an effect? |
| 17:54.12 | tensai | rsimpkins: and what is the monumental shift that you're envisioning? |
| 17:59.51 | maquis | tensai: nice try |
| 18:01.56 | tensai | maquis: seems like every time I turn around, "would you like a $400 kindle with your $20 item?" |
| 18:04.47 | maquis | sorry |
| 18:17.48 | elg | levi: yes, I did find it interesting |
| 18:18.08 | elg | although, what I found the most interesting was a comment noting that the first darcs2 prerelease is out. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/33159 |
| 18:19.34 | elg | "1. It should no longer be possible to confuse darcs or freeze it |
| 18:19.34 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.34 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.34 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.42 | elg | " 2. Identical primitive changes no longer conflict. This is a |
| 18:19.42 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.42 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.54 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.54 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.54 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.54 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.54 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.55 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.57 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.59 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.01 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.03 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.05 | vontrapp | good job elg |
| 18:31.03 | levi | elg: Yeah, I read the darcs release notes. Hopefully it'll regain some momentum now. |
| 18:34.36 | elg | I'm going to actually get haskell to compile on my mac as a result. that's something anyway :) |
| 18:36.17 | levi | I don't think I ever tried compiling it. Just got a binary release. |
| 18:37.46 | maquis | elg: you wrote a cookbook app, right? |
| 18:38.09 | tensai | maquis: didn't everybody? it's a rite of passage, like writing a CMS. |
| 18:38.25 | maquis | i'm just curious about how people like to model ingredients... |
| 18:38.55 | maquis | is it just a big textarea for ingredients? |
| 18:39.07 | Supaplex | and now on the catwalk, a 5lb all wheat flour ... |
| 18:39.11 | maquis | or, a separate row in a table for each ingredient? |
| 18:39.13 | maquis | or what... |
| 18:42.33 | tensai | maquis: the data is more flexible if each ingredient is done separately. the recipe can be scaled, searched, etc. |
| 18:42.47 | maquis | tensai: that's what i was thinking.. .just trying to figure out how to model it best |
| 18:43.32 | maquis | (i've got a few different things i've been poking at recently, and i'm trying to get a better feel for modelling stuff in the db, since i'm not that good at it) |
| 18:43.32 | tensai | maquis: redbeard2 started a project to design a data model for recipes. open recipe format. it's been quiet of late. |
| 18:43.46 | maquis | ooh... that's right |
| 18:44.37 | maquis | redbeard2: is your server up? |
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| 18:45.59 | redbeard2 | maquis: checking... |
| 18:46.45 | redbeard2 | maquis: it does seem to be down. i guess i'd better track down goozbach |
| 18:47.06 | goozbach | I is here |
| 18:47.09 | goozbach | what's up? |
| 18:47.42 | redbeard2 | goozbach: my server doesn't seem to be responding |
| 18:49.08 | Jayce^ | as if it needs to |
| 18:50.36 | findlay | does pretty much everybody use the Maildir format? |
| 18:50.47 | findlay | (instead of mbox) |
| 18:51.14 | tensai | redbeard2: the server is responding to ICMP and TCP, but not to HTTP. |
| 18:51.25 | redbeard2 | tensai: i can't ssh to it either |
| 18:51.56 | tensai | not even displaying an SSH banner. sounds like a kernel panic to me. |
| 18:51.59 | goozbach | he's getting hammered |
| 18:52.03 | goozbach | it's not a kernel panic |
| 18:52.08 | tensai | ~panic |
| 18:52.09 | ibot | somebody please DO something! |
| 18:52.15 | goozbach | I just glanced at his comsole |
| 18:52.51 | findlay | redbeard2 is too popular for goozbach service :) |
| 18:53.23 | tensai | *that's* why I can't find my email! I closed it down. how silly. |
| 18:54.24 | Supaplex | smooth one |
| 18:54.53 | elg | redbeard2: are you /.ed? |
| 18:54.53 | goozbach | findlay: more correctly, "redbeard's current purchased product from goozbach is not sufficent". :) |
| 18:55.03 | findlay | haha |
| 18:55.54 | redbeard2 | elg: i doubt it's /. |
| 18:55.57 | redbeard2 | they don't like me enough |
| 18:56.10 | redbeard2 | probably stumbleupon. that's what it usually is. |
| 18:56.25 | findlay | sure it's legitamate traffic? |
| 18:56.29 | tensai | redbeard2: intellectual level is too high for /. |
| 18:57.27 | elg | ~gauntlet |
| 18:57.36 | elg | ~gauntlet tensai |
| 18:57.45 | tensai | ~soap elg |
| 18:57.46 | ibot | ACTION washes elg's mouth out with a fat bar of pink soap |
| 18:58.02 | tensai | elg: why am I making soap again? |
| 18:58.06 | elg | ~gauntlet $tensai is <action>slaps $tensai in the face with kid gloves and runs away squealing. |
| 18:58.07 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 18:58.11 | elg | for your wife for Christmas |
| 18:58.43 | elg | and to see if you can do it in 5-10 minutes with nothing but my blog to go on |
| 18:59.58 | tensai | elg: oh, see. I don't have your blog plugged straight into my brain. |
| 19:01.17 | elg | well, get on that |
| 19:05.57 | elg | I've got some duct tape if that will help |
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| 19:10.41 | maquis | anyone here ever used intellij? |
| 19:11.43 | maquis | i've got some teammates trying to tell me it's the best thing since sliced bread, and i'm kinda curious what other people think |
| 19:12.00 | maquis | i'm planning on messing with eclim, because i'm rather suspicious of IDEs |
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| 19:27.42 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | All hail sed! |
| 19:28.08 | findlay | they have sliced bread now? |
| 19:29.11 | sjansen | sed is better than sliced bread |
| 19:29.39 | sjansen | Teach a man to slice bread, he makes sandwiches for the rest of his life. |
| 19:29.44 | Supaplex | I've never heard of sliced bread. what's so cool about that? |
| 19:29.55 | sjansen | Teach a man sed, he performs miracles on text files for the rest of his life. |
| 19:30.21 | Supaplex | that's until I steal -i from your sed. |
| 19:31.01 | findlay | for some reason I always feel deprived when the topic is changed, like I didn't have enough time to appreciate the old topic before he was uncerimoniously dismissed |
| 19:31.25 | findlay | when I didn't even know what the old topic was |
| 19:32.45 | goozbach | findlay: script your client to run /topic about every hoiur |
| 19:32.51 | goozbach | s/hoiur/hour/ |
| 19:33.19 | findlay | you must do all of your text editing with `sed -i` for the next week |
| 19:33.33 | findlay | then we'll see how you feel about sed :) |
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| 19:35.17 | sjansen | while grep -q '<key[^<]*[äçÇéËöü][^<]*</key' */*.xml |
| 19:35.17 | sjansen | do |
| 19:35.17 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.20 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.22 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.24 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.26 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.28 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.30 | sjansen | done |
| 19:35.33 | sjansen | Ugly, but quick and it gets the job done. |
| 19:36.42 | findlay | are those unicode escapes or something? |
| 19:38.11 | Supaplex | http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/sjansen-0001.png is how it looks on my screen |
| 19:39.11 | sjansen | Supaplex: Get a real IRC client, one that understands UTF-8. |
| 19:40.11 | sjansen | findlay: If you're seeing funny boxes, you don't have international fonts. If you're seeing junk, you need to use a real IRC client. It's almost 2008 for goodness sake. |
| 19:40.53 | Supaplex | I bet it's konsole |
| 19:41.18 | sjansen | I bet it's $LANG. |
| 19:41.27 | findlay | sjansen: my irc client understands utf-8 |
| 19:41.32 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 19:41.51 | sjansen | $ echo $LANG |
| 19:41.51 | sjansen | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 19:42.02 | sjansen | I would have also accepted pt_BR.UTF-8 |
| 19:42.10 | findlay | I'm pointing to your replacements. What are those? |
| 19:43.32 | sontek | it looks fine for me |
| 19:43.36 | Supaplex | well, my irssi is running on openwrt |
| 19:45.37 | findlay | sjansen: my irssi client has problems with the same two characters. Seems like less than half of unicode that people spew forth in the channels I'm in shows up properly |
| 19:45.47 | findlay | s/sjansen/Supaplex/ |
| 19:46.10 | sjansen | I ♥ UTF-8 ☺ |
| 19:46.24 | Supaplex | the openwrt box didn't have LANG set, and it didn't help to reset it after login |
| 19:46.31 | findlay | I mean less than half don't show up correctly |
| 19:46.43 | findlay | still annoying though |
| 19:46.58 | sjansen | findlay: That means that your client is trying to translate UTF-8 to whatever wimpy encoding your system is currently using. |
| 19:47.16 | findlay | sjansen: my system is using en_US.UTF-8 |
| 19:47.53 | findlay | and only en_US.UTF-8, I might add |
| 19:47.58 | sjansen | Are you running your client remotely? Do you have any internationalized fonts? Gentium is a good start. |
| 19:48.32 | findlay | probably a font issue |
| 19:49.41 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> Off Topic and Beyond | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | I ♥ UTF-8 ☺ |
| 19:50.27 | findlay | yay. This time I remembered the old topic :) |
| 19:50.36 | Supaplex | hah |
| 19:55.17 | elg | findlay: you have to tell irssi utf-8 and your terminal has to be utf-8 |
| 19:55.32 | findlay | elg: I have |
| 19:55.44 | elg | well you failed somewhere |
| 19:55.59 | levi | findlay: You FAIL. |
| 19:56.17 | levi | I do too, but that's because I never tried to get Unicode working. |
| 19:56.26 | findlay | fine |
| 19:56.31 | findlay | I'm going back to windows! |
| 19:56.41 | findlay | windows never fails! |
| 19:56.56 | elg | are you using screen? |
| 19:57.25 | findlay | already told screen about utf8 as well |
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| 19:57.56 | ibot | tickles tuple with a rose bush |
| 19:58.26 | elg | do you see Ã…? |
| 19:58.35 | elg | … and – and —? |
| 19:58.46 | tuple | yes, I do |
| 19:58.55 | findlay | I know it's 'working' because before it wouldn't display any unicode chars, but now it displays some (probably only those in the extended ascii sets), hence I think it's a font issue |
| 19:59.07 | findlay | the thing is, I'm too lazy right now to look into it |
| 19:59.18 | elg | but not too lazy to complain about it |
| 19:59.34 | levi | I'm too lazy to even tell irssi and screen about utf8. |
| 19:59.39 | findlay | I haven't done any complaining |
| 19:59.43 | levi | I just enjoy the ?s that I see. |
| 19:59.55 | findlay | ~nuke something for levi |
| 19:59.56 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at something for levi ... B☢☢M! |
| 20:00.08 | sjansen | http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ |
| 20:00.09 | brac | [Do websites need to look exactly the same in every browser?] |
| 20:00.20 | findlay | -urls 1024 |
| 20:00.21 | brac | [2007/12/11 12:41:41] <Supaplex> http://irssi.org/ |
| 20:00.21 | brac | [2007/12/11 12:38:27] <Supaplex> http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/sjansen-0001.png |
| 20:00.21 | brac | [2007/12/11 11:18:14] <elg> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/33159 |
| 20:00.21 | brac | [2007/12/11 09:52:47] <tensai> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458 |
| 20:00.23 | brac | [2007/12/10 23:58:31] <fozzmoo> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/12/open_source_hardware_gift.html |
| 20:00.23 | brac | [2007/12/10 23:34:01] <maquis> http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/12/1210_bestworst_housing/index_01.htm?chan=rss_topSlideShows_ssi_5 |
| 20:00.24 | brac | [2007/12/10 23:06:21] <Tene> http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ |
| 20:00.26 | brac | [2007/12/10 22:14:09] <levi> http://scala-blogs.org/2007/12/dynamic-web-applications-with-lift-and.html |
| 20:00.28 | brac | [2007/12/10 21:42:29] <levi> http://blog.moertel.com/articles/2007/12/10/how-i-stopped-missing-darcs-and-started-loving-git |
| 20:00.31 | brac | [2007/12/10 20:04:16] <herlo> http://www.persistenceunlimited.com/2007/12/the-26-major-advantages-to-reading-more-books-and-why-3-in-4-people-are-being-shut-out-of-success/ |
| 20:00.46 | levi | Uh, 1024 urls? I hope he doesn't keep that many. |
| 20:01.03 | findlay | well I was just sloppily aiming for the max |
| 20:02.03 | sjansen | ~fire findlay |
| 20:02.03 | ibot | I'm sorry, findlay, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 20:02.20 | findlay | what does that have to do with conflagration? |
| 20:03.11 | findlay | ~fire |
| 20:03.12 | ibot | Bender : Light a fire for a man and he's warm for a night. Light a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life... |
| 20:03.37 | vontrapp | sjansen: of course they do! |
| 20:03.46 | vontrapp | if they don't then you're not using enough tables |
| 20:04.01 | findlay | tables! |
| 20:04.31 | elg | do websites need to look totally tubular in every web browser? |
| 20:04.59 | goozbach | elg: if they are going to fit through the tubes |
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| 20:09.11 | levi | Wow, there's a Utah Snort Users Group? |
| 20:09.26 | findlay | yup |
| 20:09.55 | tensai | maquis: thanks |
| 20:14.06 | findlay | ~seen beandog |
| 20:14.09 | ibot | beandog <n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 3d 18h 19m 56s ago, saying: 'its wet, but thats it.'. |
| 20:16.15 | Supaplex | ~seen kmail-respond |
| 20:16.16 | ibot | Supaplex: i haven't seen 'kmail-respond' |
| 20:16.41 | Supaplex | me either. it's kicking my tail. |
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| 20:19.23 | bonez44 | anyone know how to install TurboTax using WINE? I just attempted such an install and it failed as it said I didn't have IE 5 or IE 6 installed.... |
| 20:19.26 | bonez44 | any way around this? |
| 20:20.18 | Supaplex | check the winehq appdb pages |
| 20:20.37 | tensai | bonez44: you can install IE |
| 20:20.47 | tensai | bonez44: or use turbotax online |
| 20:21.44 | findlay | I've been using freetaxusa.com |
| 20:22.35 | tensai | I've used h&r block the last few years |
| 20:25.16 | sontek | I just keep using h&r block's website, because then they keep the backup of my w2's =) |
| 20:25.31 | findlay | I keep backups of my W2's |
| 20:25.49 | findlay | but that's nice too |
| 20:26.23 | sontek | I try to, but I trust them more than myself |
| 20:27.58 | bonez44 | tensai: trust the government? I'd rather NOT.... |
| 20:28.19 | bonez44 | findlay: does freetaxusa.com include option for corporate filing? or just personal? |
| 20:28.28 | tensai | bonez44: huh? when did I say anything like that? |
| 20:29.01 | bonez44 | tensai: you said..use turbotax online..and I jumped the gun..thinking my data would be warehoused by the good folks at Intuit.... |
| 20:29.06 | bonez44 | My mistake.... |
| 20:29.32 | bonez44 | I assume one just uses the online tools, gets the forms created and stores and prints them locally...without storing the data with them.... |
| 20:29.42 | bonez44 | but with all the data breeches....why take that chance.... |
| 20:29.44 | tensai | well it will be warehoused by Intuit. but the guvment has your tax data already anyway |
| 20:30.14 | bonez44 | true..it's not them I guess...it's just having more out there for the ID thieves to access.... |
| 20:30.21 | bonez44 | ok, I am mixed up...... |
| 20:30.37 | tensai | that is a valid concern. ssl only protects your data until the server gets it. then it's up to good security policy to keep it safe. |
| 20:30.48 | bonez44 | tensai: on the "you can install IE" note..how is that done using wine? |
| 20:31.06 | Supaplex | ies4linux |
| 20:31.11 | bonez44 | ok..... |
| 20:31.14 | tensai | bonez44: you can download the IE installer and run it with wine. it's been a while since I've done it. |
| 20:31.25 | bonez44 | ok... |
| 20:33.33 | Supaplex | let's see here. www.winehq.org. click appdb. type turbotax in searchbox, click search. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=623 |
| 20:33.38 | brac | [Wine Application DB - Viewing App: TurboTax] |
| 20:36.45 | Supaplex | looks like the rating is 'garbage' because it segfaults on start. so even if you do get it installed, noone as of yet has reported it runs. |
| 20:37.33 | findlay | that's about how I feel about inuit. I'm glad that linux+wine agrees with me :) |
| 20:41.47 | tensai | I've never forgiven intuit for using crazy drm a few years back |
| 20:44.17 | bonez44 | well, I looked up ie 4 linux...and it's not a going project at the moment..... |
| 20:44.59 | tensai | IE installs fine with vanilla wine |
| 20:45.47 | findlay | what about with vanilla root beer? |
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| 21:00.00 | elg | note to joyful travelers. you can't bring snowglobes in carry-on |
| 21:00.24 | findlay | haha |
| 21:03.48 | elg | heh. |
| 21:03.51 | elg | NEVER leave babies in an infant carrier while it goes through the X-ray machine." |
| 21:04.03 | Supaplex | haha |
| 21:04.16 | vontrapp | are you reading your brochure or something? |
| 21:04.20 | Supaplex | but toddlers are okay, right? ;) |
| 21:04.43 | findlay | oh come on |
| 21:04.45 | tensai | but you /can/ put your infant in a snowglobe |
| 21:05.04 | findlay | like an airport scanner shoots enough X rays to damage your DNA |
| 21:05.11 | Supaplex | yes, my infant fits in a snowglobe. considering I have none. |
| 21:05.14 | findlay | idiots |
| 21:05.19 | elg | just making sure there's no surprises tomorrow |
| 21:05.49 | vontrapp | an infants dna is _way_ more active though |
| 21:06.00 | findlay | the word 'x-rays' is nearly impossible to separate from supersititon |
| 21:06.52 | vontrapp | is that like a special kind of babysitter? supersititoner, your baby won't know what hit him |
| 21:07.11 | findlay | basically |
| 21:07.13 | mrpull | I recall a story about a grandmother that sent a baby thru the xray |
| 21:07.23 | mrpull | english isn't her first language |
| 21:07.27 | vontrapp | findlay: at least the words "nuclear power" are starting to diverge from superstition |
| 21:07.28 | findlay | and he came out X-Man! |
| 21:07.39 | mrpull | and someone told her to put the infant seat thru |
| 21:07.43 | mrpull | and she did |
| 21:07.48 | mrpull | with the baby |
| 21:07.57 | elg | and... |
| 21:07.58 | mrpull | the story didn't say if the baby was hurt |
| 21:08.03 | mrpull | anticlimax |
| 21:08.05 | elg | or mutated |
| 21:08.08 | elg | lame story |
| 21:08.12 | vontrapp | but the woman did get in lots of trouble i think |
| 21:09.08 | findlay | just wait for X-Man to embark on daring exploits to save humanity from the tyranny of corrupt government bureaucracies |
| 21:09.22 | mrpull | dang. that was a year ago now. |
| 21:09.41 | mrpull | I was telling my brother about it at LAS on Sunday. |
| 21:09.44 | mrpull | http://www.boingboing.net/2006/12/20/baby-put-through-air.html |
| 21:10.01 | mrpull | SWA's kiosks were all down. It added about 2 hours of lines :-/ |
| 21:10.24 | mrpull | stupid SWA. we should have paid the extra $50 |
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| 21:20.54 | elg | "Baby gets daily dose of cosmic rays in 3 seconds!" |
| 21:21.44 | Supaplex | sweet. sign me up. ;) |
| 21:28.00 | findlay | I love the power of <ctrl><alt><<-> |
| 21:28.21 | findlay | Supaplex: what superhero will you become? |
| 21:30.43 | Supaplex | someone already nominated Supapecks |
| 21:31.15 | findlay | hm |
| 21:34.14 | tensai | mrpull: I remember that story. I don't think the baby was injured. |
| 21:34.29 | mrpull | yeah. I don't think the baby was hurt. |
| 21:34.57 | findlay | you'd have to get a *really* high dose to have it be noticed right away |
| 21:36.07 | tensai | ~zap findlay |
| 21:36.08 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives findlay a good jolt. |
| 21:36.21 | fozzmoo | Wow. |
| 21:36.27 | fozzmoo | http://drudgereport.com/rom.jpg |
| 21:37.20 | tensai | yuck |
| 21:38.04 | sontek | vote kucinich! |
| 21:38.33 | findlay | haha |
| 21:39.50 | fozzmoo | http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmMxYTUyYzA1YTk2YzE5NGVmNjc0OGFjYWJmNzMzNjI=&p=1 |
| 21:39.53 | brac | [The Editors on National Review Online] |
| 21:49.25 | Jayce^ | heh, nice, even though it's the NR |
| 21:51.54 | Jayce^ | kucinich, the only candidate batty enough to be endorsed by sean penn ) |
| 21:52.27 | rsimpkins | I'm going to write in Al Gore, just cause he's the only guy not asking for it. |
| 21:52.52 | Jayce^ | *shudder* |
| 21:54.12 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Are you a Ron Paul fan? |
| 21:54.28 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 21:54.34 | rsimpkins | I knew that'd get ya. |
| 21:54.36 | Jayce^ | a few good ideas wrapped in a loony shell |
| 21:54.52 | Jayce^ | vote kucinich +ronpaul, the moonbat ticket |
| 21:54.53 | rsimpkins | So no endorsment for any candidate from Jayce^? |
| 21:54.58 | tensai | Jayce^: is it a loony candy shell? |
| 21:55.55 | Jayce^ | some people do find it sweet |
| 21:55.59 | Jayce^ | I think it's pretty bitter :) |
| 21:56.33 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Are you a Romney fan? |
| 21:56.47 | goozbach | http://thecontaminated.com/luxury-tunned-bus/ |
| 21:56.49 | rsimpkins | No wait - PLEASE dont' tell me you are voting for Clinton! :) |
| 21:56.51 | findlay | I'm writing in Linus |
| 21:57.09 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, yeah, at least now... |
| 21:57.37 | findlay | he'd replace the president with a bunch of amazingly efficient scripts |
| 21:57.39 | rsimpkins | I'm for a huckabee/romney romney/huckabee ticket against Clinton/Obama |
| 21:58.01 | Jayce^ | huckabee has some good stuff, but a little worried about some of his economics.. |
| 21:58.18 | rsimpkins | I like the senergy. I think you need them both. |
| 21:58.56 | rsimpkins | synergy. |
| 21:58.56 | Jayce^ | guliani would be good for namepower on a ticket, but I'd rather have him filling a good role in a cabinet |
| 21:58.56 | rsimpkins | Yeah, Guliani can only go so far with using 9/11 every other word in his speeches. |
| 21:59.08 | rsimpkins | Just becuase he was there doesn't make him a terrorist expert. It makes him a victim. |
| 21:59.28 | rsimpkins | I think he's playing up the victim==expert thing a little too much. |
| 22:00.16 | Jayce^ | one thing I really like about most of the (R) candidates this year is they are almost all ex governors or mayors.. not legislators.. |
| 22:00.29 | Jayce^ | fundamental difference in what they think the president *should* be doing |
| 22:00.58 | levi | I don't like any presidential candidates. |
| 22:01.13 | levi | I think we're probably going to get screwed again. |
| 22:01.31 | fozzmoo | levi: I don't. |
| 22:01.52 | levi | fozzmoo: I think you're politically insane anyway. ;) |
| 22:01.58 | Jayce^ | I really liked the recent speech where rocky tried to distance himself from any affiliation with Mitt |
| 22:02.09 | fozzmoo | I think we've got a lot of choices this time around, on the R side anyway, that represent change from the current administration. |
| 22:02.10 | Jayce^ | made me respect mitt more :) |
| 22:02.18 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: heh. |
| 22:02.26 | fozzmoo | I recently found I agreed with Rocky on something. |
| 22:03.02 | fozzmoo | He was quoted in the paper saying The Blue Boutique had been a law-abiding business with little or no complaints coming into the city offices. People should just let them continue operating. |
| 22:03.23 | levi | People want to shut down the Blue Boutique? |
| 22:03.31 | rsimpkins | I heard about that. |
| 22:03.47 | rsimpkins | levi: No, they want to move locations to a place that people percieve as more residential. |
| 22:04.03 | rsimpkins | levi: Or, the dirty underwear will be on display where kids might see them. Gah! |
| 22:04.06 | levi | rsimpkins: Blue Boutique does? |
| 22:04.23 | rsimpkins | It basically has been approved. No one can really stop it. |
| 22:04.46 | rsimpkins | The store is apparently not classified as a sexuallly orriented business. |
| 22:05.04 | levi | Where else are people going to buy novelty gifts for their friends who are getting married? |
| 22:05.04 | rsimpkins | So the city can't really control where they want to open a shop. |
| 22:05.06 | fozzmoo | And the whack-job protestors (other businesses in Sugarhouse) want it to be a SOB. |
| 22:05.13 | dmdavis_ | they sell dirty underwear? that's gross. |
| 22:05.27 | fozzmoo | dmdavis_: There's a fetish for everything, ya know. |
| 22:05.37 | dmdavis | fozzmoo: OK, that was grosser :) |
| 22:05.46 | rsimpkins | I think it's just a vocal minority that cares. |
| 22:06.00 | levi | Most of them probably haven't even been inside it. |
| 22:06.45 | rsimpkins | levi: Or they think it would violate their religion even looking at it - let along purchasing something. |
| 22:06.51 | rsimpkins | *alone |
| 22:07.17 | rsimpkins | Someone was saying they are going to start taking pictures of everyone who goes inside and posting them on some web site. |
| 22:07.24 | levi | Oh geez. |
| 22:07.44 | levi | How shameful! |
| 22:07.59 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I'm like - let me be the first in line - take my picture. |
| 22:08.10 | rsimpkins | I'll give a copy to my bishop. |
| 22:08.16 | levi | I'll show you what I bought when I come back out, too! |
| 22:08.26 | rsimpkins | No doubt. |
| 22:08.57 | tensai | come outside wearing it. that'll scare them off. |
| 22:09.20 | levi | I got an ad for a store in American Fork, I think, that gave me the impression that it was an LDS-themed adult novelty store or something. |
| 22:09.41 | levi | For husbands and wives, of course. |
| 22:10.02 | fozzmoo | whoa. |
| 22:10.03 | levi | I'm curious what it's really about. |
| 22:10.11 | fozzmoo | "For all the wives you love." |
| 22:10.19 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 22:10.20 | rsimpkins | prude 'tude. Gotta love. |
| 22:11.04 | fozzmoo | I'd like places like the back room of Blue Boutique a lot more if stuff wasn't plastered with pornographic labels. |
| 22:11.28 | rsimpkins | I'm going to open a Hijab store in downtown salt lake. Instead of black I'm going to use white fabric. |
| 22:11.50 | rsimpkins | According to these locals I should have a line out the door to purchase them. |
| 22:12.21 | levi | fozzmoo: Well, pornographic labels probably add appeal to most of the target market of 'adult novelties'. |
| 22:12.39 | fozzmoo | levi: Maybe in most areas, yes. |
| 22:12.44 | fozzmoo | But in Utah... not so much. |
| 22:13.02 | fozzmoo | How about a plain black box w/ white lettering that says "Medium Butt Plug"? |
| 22:13.32 | fozzmoo | Not some half-naked 'ho squatting with a look of pain on her face. |
| 22:14.06 | levi | Well, I don't think Utah stores get to pick the packaging. |
| 22:14.14 | fozzmoo | They could repackage. |
| 22:14.37 | dataw0lf | so that you're spared the agony of seeing it? |
| 22:14.49 | dataw0lf | any time you're in a store that sells butt plugs as butt plugs you're probably going to have to wear some blinders |
| 22:15.12 | fozzmoo | From a business perspective, I think it makes more sense to tone down the imagery in Utah. |
| 22:15.38 | dataw0lf | to tone down the imagery. So you have a problem with the imagery, not the product. |
| 22:15.51 | dmdavis | I know I would buy more stuff for my wife from Victoria's Secret if not for the models all around |
| 22:15.53 | fozzmoo | A store that says, "Sex is fun between two monogamous, eternally married partners with our accessories." |
| 22:16.03 | fozzmoo | dataw0lf: This isn't about me. It's about the culture in Utah. |
| 22:16.15 | rsimpkins | I can't believe this is a topic in #utah. :) |
| 22:16.19 | dataw0lf | yea, neither can I. |
| 22:16.27 | dataw0lf | I can't believe I'm having a conversation about sex toys with a Mormon. |
| 22:16.28 | levi | fozzmoo: That seems to be what the store I saw advertised was all about. |
| 22:16.31 | dataw0lf | The baby Jesus weeps. |
| 22:16.35 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: You should know by now... nothing is a surprise. |
| 22:16.40 | rsimpkins | True. |
| 22:17.21 | fozzmoo | dataw0lf: I understand the neighborhood sex toy parties has been a problem in LDS communities the last couple of years. |
| 22:17.36 | dataw0lf | is self masturbation banned when it's in front of your partner too, or did they not specify that in the BoM |
| 22:17.56 | fozzmoo | My sister in law hosted one. Then, about a month later, I heard about a church leader saying members shouldn't do those things. |
| 22:17.59 | dataw0lf | I've always wondered that, and this discussion of sex toys has opened the flood gates. |
| 22:18.00 | levi | Oh, hey, the store I saw the ad for has a website: http://www.husbandandwifeintimacy.com/ |
| 22:18.07 | brac | [Tasteful Lingerie, Massage Oils and Romantic Gifts. American Fork, UT] |
| 22:18.23 | fozzmoo | dataw0lf: I think the unofficial LDS church position is... |
| 22:18.34 | dataw0lf | Missionary? |
| 22:18.41 | fozzmoo | "Do whatever you want as long as you and your partner are comfortable with it." |
| 22:18.41 | dataw0lf | ho ho, sorry couldn't hold back. Too many puns today. |
| 22:18.44 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 22:18.45 | fozzmoo | Good one. |
| 22:19.15 | fozzmoo | I've never heard of a church leader saying what kinds of intimate acts are appropriate and what aren't- as long as it's just you and your married partner. |
| 22:19.19 | dataw0lf | well, I don't think the Blue Boutique is really catering to Mormons much. I used to live near Sugarhouse and the percentage of Mormons is pretty dang low. |
| 22:19.33 | herlo | hehe |
| 22:19.37 | herlo | you guys make me laugh... |
| 22:19.42 | dataw0lf | I'd assume that a sex shop in a less secular crowd would probably repackage. |
| 22:20.01 | goozbach | can we find another topic |
| 22:20.03 | fozzmoo | I did some work for the guy that owns All For Love on Main St. Same thing there. |
| 22:20.04 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:20.13 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You worried about shoulder surfers? |
| 22:20.37 | goozbach | I personally don't object, however we do cater to people in this channel which may be offended |
| 22:21.06 | fozzmoo | I thought we were being pretty tasteful. I'm sorry. |
| 22:21.25 | fozzmoo | Well, except for my 'ho squatting thing. That coudl have been offensive, I admit. |
| 22:21.26 | herlo | goozbach: if someone objects, they should speak up, otherwise, I think this conversation is quite healthy |
| 22:22.03 | goozbach | I was mostly refering to fozz's comment |
| 22:22.03 | dataw0lf | hey, I'm offended when I DON'T talk about sex. |
| 22:22.05 | dataw0lf | just kidding. |
| 22:22.10 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 22:22.31 | tensai | what's clear is that blue boutique should be using linux on all their computers |
| 22:22.43 | findlay | http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/airduct.html |
| 22:22.45 | brac | [Should You Have the Air Ducts in Your Home Cleaned? | Publications | Indoor Air | Air | US EPA] |
| 22:22.45 | rsimpkins | If this was #iran I think we'd all be on our way to prison by now. |
| 22:22.50 | levi | Anyway, yeah, if you don't like to see those things, you might try the store whose link I pasted earlier. |
| 22:23.09 | levi | Though it might be /too/ tasteful for you. |
| 22:23.44 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: anyway, I'd like to commend you on your healthy sexual outlook. I've always (falsely, I guess) assumed that LDS couples are complete prudes. I'm ashamed to make such an assumption, and I'm happy you cleared it up for me. |
| 22:24.09 | tensai | rsimpkins: I wonder if you'd be off to the gulag just for using irc |
| 22:24.37 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: I didn't see any females talking so I'm assuming we'd all be safe. |
| 22:24.51 | thaddeusq | I actually have a DNS question. Is there any reason that when a DNS server initiates an outbound connection, that it must go out as a certain IP? I know if I have an incoming query, it must know it's public IP address but, what if the DNS server does an outbound query? Can it appear to come from a different IP? |
| 22:25.11 | fozzmoo | dataw0lf: Why, thank you. I hope I'm not the only exception to that rule. |
| 22:25.55 | goozbach | dataw0lf: my wife and I are ANYTHING but prudes. so there's your dataset |
| 22:25.57 | rsimpkins | thaddeusq: How exactly would it get the response? |
| 22:25.58 | dataw0lf | I hope not either. I'm pretty impressed by your maturity. |
| 22:26.20 | thaddeusq | rsimpkins: through the firewall |
| 22:26.26 | findlay | so prudishness connotes immaturity? |
| 22:26.36 | goozbach | findlay: sometimes |
| 22:26.38 | dataw0lf | goozbach: I don't think any newlywed could be defined as a "prude" ;-). |
| 22:26.45 | goozbach | dataw0lf: good point |
| 22:26.47 | findlay | goozbach: you're right about that |
| 22:27.00 | fozzmoo | As long as "tasteful lingerie" doesn't mean white cotton nightgowns that go to the ankles. :) |
| 22:27.06 | dataw0lf | findlay: Not necessarily. But completely acting like sex doesn't exist by banning it from talk between adults IS. |
| 22:27.10 | goozbach | findlay: I think that being able to comunicate is very important |
| 22:27.13 | tensai | fozzmoo: whatever turns you on, man |
| 22:27.21 | goozbach | sex isn't a "dirty" thing |
| 22:27.46 | goozbach | and not talking about it in any form (uberprude) is very imature |
| 22:28.26 | tensai | thaddeusq: I don't think DNS requires that the request come from a certain IP, but I believe Bind does use the accepting IP address and port 53 |
| 22:28.39 | fozzmoo | Talking about sex all the time... that's a sign of another problem. :) |
| 22:28.53 | fozzmoo | ... a problem I remember having when I was 16-22 |
| 22:28.56 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 22:29.12 | herlo | what about thinking all the time about sex? |
| 22:29.14 | goozbach | to 22? |
| 22:29.14 | dataw0lf | yea. that's called high school and college ;) |
| 22:29.22 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you stopped? |
| 22:29.28 | fozzmoo | goozbach: That's when I got married. |
| 22:29.44 | fozzmoo | Kind of like how I liked to drink alcoholic beverages.,.. until I turned 21. |
| 22:29.54 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 22:30.12 | goozbach | or does inuendo not count? |
| 22:30.25 | dataw0lf | herlo: called "male" |
| 22:30.37 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You referring to the text message I sent you? :-D |
| 22:31.10 | herlo | dataw0lf: hehe, ain't that the truth :^P |
| 22:31.37 | goozbach | oh yeah there's that as well |
| 22:31.54 | fozzmoo | goozbach: What's your POINT?! ;-) |
| 22:32.01 | goozbach | you never stopped. |
| 22:32.14 | goozbach | 15:28 < fozzmoo> Talking about sex all the time... that's a sign of another problem. :) |
| 22:32.17 | goozbach | 15:28 < fozzmoo> ... a problem I remember having when I was 16-22 |
| 22:32.36 | goozbach | I propose that it should be 16- |
| 22:32.57 | goozbach | that there never was any upper bound |
| 22:33.19 | dataw0lf | I suppose it's all relative |
| 22:33.19 | fozzmoo | Just for me, specifically? :) |
| 22:34.23 | fozzmoo | Well, it's been great... uhm... talking to you guys.... n. stuff. |
| 22:34.28 | fozzmoo | Time for me to pack up and head home. |
| 22:35.54 | dataw0lf | daaaaaaang. Girlfriend just got back from the veterinarian and one of our ferrets is at 5.1 lbs |
| 22:35.58 | dataw0lf | he is gigantic |
| 22:36.07 | goozbach | huuuge!!! |
| 22:36.29 | dataw0lf | not even full grown yet, vet said he'll probably put on another quarter pound |
| 22:36.42 | rsimpkins | Aren't ferrets like cats on a permenant caffine drip? |
| 22:37.04 | tensai | dataw0lf: did she go to the vet just to get him weighed? |
| 22:37.13 | levi | Long cats with short legs. |
| 22:37.14 | dataw0lf | they definitely are feisty. |
| 22:37.19 | Supaplex | they'v got their one kind of personality |
| 22:37.27 | dataw0lf | tensai: Hehe. No, last set of shots and checkup. |
| 22:37.31 | Supaplex | one == own |
| 22:38.16 | dataw0lf | we have two ferrets, one is a "normal" ferret, pretty small, named Guido van Rossum. Then we have a "european" ferret who is a couple months older named Aldus Manutius the Great. |
| 22:38.44 | dataw0lf | they're great. You just have to get at least two or they get extremely lonely. We rescued these about a month ago. |
| 22:39.00 | rsimpkins | I actually want a pet skunk. |
| 22:39.07 | dataw0lf | same family. |
| 22:39.14 | dataw0lf | are they legal in Utah? |
| 22:39.17 | rsimpkins | Yeah, but skunks are more mellow IMHO. |
| 22:39.26 | rsimpkins | Oh, I dunno. |
| 22:39.45 | dataw0lf | I've only run across one pet skunk, and that was only for a couple minutes. |
| 22:40.04 | dataw0lf | our ferrets are fairly mellow. They come up and cuddle for hours at a time which apparently is fairly rare. |
| 22:40.12 | rsimpkins | I knew someone with one. Very laid back. Good pet for people who are awake at night - like sys admins. :) |
| 22:40.37 | dataw0lf | that's pretty cool. |
| 22:40.44 | rsimpkins | Honestly, I have a hard time keeping a fish alive. I should probably just stay away from pets. |
| 22:40.59 | dataw0lf | fish are some of the hardest animals to keep alive ;-) |
| 22:41.58 | dataw0lf | with me and the girlfriend's new house we couldn't really keep a dog happy, our backyard is just way too small, and the house isn't huge. So we decided to go with ferrets, which I owned in college. |
| 22:42.00 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_skunk#Legality |
| 22:42.00 | Supaplex | i find ferrets to be independent and timid, but I've never owned one. |
| 22:42.03 | dataw0lf | I like rats. |
| 22:42.06 | fungus | Not legal in Utah |
| 22:42.20 | rsimpkins | fungus: oh well. |
| 22:42.21 | dataw0lf | Supaplex: Ours are quite independent, but far from timid. |
| 22:42.43 | dataw0lf | we have this huge vacuum which they'll charge when it's on. My old labrador was terrified of it. |
| 22:42.59 | dataw0lf | and she isn't a very timid dog. |
| 22:44.57 | tensai | hey, pet skunks are legal in wyoming |
| 22:49.53 | elg | ~skunk tensai |
| 22:50.12 | levi | ~wyoming tensai |
| 22:54.01 | Jayce^ | my ferret was quite mellow actually, but unneutered, stunk to high heaven |
| 22:54.06 | jsmith-busy | tensai: They have laws in Wyoming? |
| 22:56.06 | levi | ~stinkyferret Jayce^ |
| 23:02.12 | tensai | jsmith: a few, mostly regarding antelope or gay cowboys as that comprises 90% of the population |
| 23:02.35 | jsmith | Don't forget the sagebrush, and the jackrabbits |
| 23:05.21 | dataw0lf | I thought gay cowboys called themselves "jackrabbits" |
| 23:06.42 | tensai | findlay: so why the post about air ducts? |
| 23:09.56 | *** part/#utah dmdavis (n=dmdavis@66.7.124.11) |
| 23:15.56 | findlay | tensai: because this dilapidated old pile of bricks they rent out has ducts that probably has never been cleaned during it's 60 year existence. And I've gotten sick from the pollution |
| 23:16.05 | findlay | the management doesn't seem to care |
| 23:16.14 | mrpull | findlay: you related to the vegas findlays? the car sellers? |
| 23:16.22 | findlay | mrpull: yup |
| 23:16.37 | findlay | distantly |
| 23:16.45 | mrpull | cool. they seem to be the only car company running normal ads in LV. |
| 23:16.48 | levi | I CAN HAS DUCTS? |
| 23:16.57 | findlay | NOWAI |
| 23:17.37 | findlay | tensai: just sharing some research :) |
| 23:17.41 | findlay | seemed like a good page |
| 23:18.32 | findlay | well, they're related to me, so they must have good sense. |
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| 23:21.44 | mrpull | those vegas car ads are nuts. |
| 23:21.51 | mrpull | who'd want a pimp in their ads? |
| 23:22.53 | tensai | mrpull: the kind of people who want a hooker in their car |
| 23:23.08 | tensai | findlay: I saw a real live viola the other day. it was so exciting. |
| 23:23.23 | findlay | tensai: awesome! |
| 23:23.32 | tensai | findlay: and despite viola jokes to the contrary, the viola seemed to be a very nice part of the orchestra |
| 23:24.12 | tensai | findlay: the director was saying something about "mutes" to the violinists. what is that? |
| 23:24.14 | levi | Hmm. I have a real live viola at home, but it's been injured. |
| 23:24.18 | findlay | what do they do with a violist who dies? |
| 23:24.27 | findlay | move him back a stand |
| 23:24.46 | findlay | what's the difference between a extra large pizza and a music teacher? |
| 23:24.58 | findlay | the pizza can feed a family of 6 |
| 23:25.45 | findlay | tensai: a mute is usually a small rubber object that clamps onto the bridge, thus muting the sound |
| 23:26.04 | tensai | levi: I would suspect the cello. they usually have it in for the violas. |
| 23:26.06 | findlay | although the effect of the mute is certainly not a flat-band attenuation |
| 23:26.16 | levi | tensai: No, it was a niece. |
| 23:26.26 | tensai | levi: dressed as a cello? |
| 23:26.35 | levi | tensai: Nope, dressed as a little girl. |
| 23:26.51 | findlay | mutes add character to the sound, so sometimes a composer of music will dictate the use of mutes not so much to limit the sound output but to change the tone color |
| 23:27.18 | levi | While we weren't paying attention, she snuck into our room, took the viola into the bathroom, closed the door, and broke a bunch of strings and tore the bow apart. |
| 23:27.29 | findlay | heh |
| 23:27.36 | findlay | nice |
| 23:28.08 | tensai | findlay: is a mute easy to put on? I wonder because it seemed they were playing some parts with and some without. is that common? |
| 23:28.47 | findlay | usually the mute will straddle one or two (my preference) strings between the bridge and tailpiece so you can make quick changes |
| 23:29.22 | findlay | althouth when you take it off you usually have to wedge it onto the strings a little so that it doesn't rattle |
| 23:29.54 | levi | My wife stopped playing after she had jaw surgery. |
| 23:30.12 | levi | It left a little bone spur or something right where the chin rest goes. |
| 23:30.31 | findlay | that's not fun |
| 23:30.51 | levi | So it changed her form, her conductor noticed and yelled at her or something like that, and she stopped going. |
| 23:31.01 | findlay | ha |
| 23:31.03 | tensai | findlay: I'll have to look closely tonight and see if I can spot the mutes |
| 23:31.28 | findlay | form is all about the individual player |
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| 23:31.48 | tensai | player.form.submit() |
| 23:31.55 | levi | I've been meaning to get it fixed and get a dense foam pad for the chin rest, but at this point I don't know when she'd have the time to practice. |
| 23:32.24 | levi | I'm not sure when I'm going to have the time to practice my guitar. |
| 23:32.36 | levi | Know any pieces for electric guitar and viola? ;) |
| 23:33.28 | tensai | findlay: the pit at our theater is tiny. I'll be impressed if they can fit the whole orchestra in there. they actually have to block off the exit to fit in more players. |
| 23:34.53 | findlay | I've played in some really packed places before |
| 23:38.03 | goozbach | good support contracts++ |
| 23:38.14 | goozbach | not having to figure things out yourself++ |
| 23:38.32 | goozbach | waiting until zero hour to find out you don't know how to get it done-- |
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| 23:50.47 | levi | Wow, two things I never thought would be compatible: http://mormon-magus.info/ |
| 23:51.18 | levi | Also found linked from there: http://unfettered-mormon.org/ |
| 23:55.13 | levi | On a completely unrelated note, I want one of these: http://www.irextechnologies.com/ |
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| 23:56.22 | mrpull | ~onjoin -mrpull |
| 23:56.22 | ibot | ok, mrpull |
| 23:56.44 | levi | Compared to Kindle, it has a bigger screen, 802.11 wireless, pdf support, a touchscreen+stylus, and an open SDK. |
