IRC log for #utah on 20071210

00:00.28atoponcelinuxalien: what's up?
00:01.36linuxalienatoponce, just ate dinner. Messing around with podcasts
00:02.02atoponcenice. which podcasts?
00:03.11linuxalienNBC News, 2600 Off the Hook, Geekbrief TV, Security Now, Macbreak Weekly, CommandN, Mobuzz TV, Ask theTechies, SETI, This week in science, Web Alert, Hak 5, Nerd News Radio
00:03.20linuxalienTekzilla
00:03.22linuxalienDignation
00:03.24atoponceheh
00:03.30linuxalienSci Fi Surplus <--- put on by my friends
00:03.40linuxalienA couple others. I'm a bit of an addict :0
00:03.48atoponceno lug radio?
00:03.54linuxalienThey have that?
00:04.07linuxalienthat'd be kinda cool
00:04.31atoponceyeah. its pretty good
00:05.10atoponcewell, the plane is about to depart. catch ya later
00:05.15linuxalienlaters!
00:05.18linuxalienI'll check them out
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01:24.27ibotTene: ok
01:24.40fozzmooyay.
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01:25.18ibotfozzmoo: ok
01:25.24fozzmoo;-)
02:44.40elgwhere would one buy litmus paper?
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05:11.20leviatoponce: If you don't see calling a company 'evil' because they don't embrace your particular flavor of Free Software ideals silly, then I'm afraid I can't help you.
05:12.20leviI mean, evil is sending innocents to the gulag or something.
05:13.31leviSupporting a semi-open protocol along with the truly open protocol does not make google evil, by any reasonable definition of evil.
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05:14.17leviI would further argue that Free Software zealots who think proprietary protocols and software are evil have drunk too much of RMS's crazy kool-aid.
05:14.38leviThey are, at most, inconvenient.
05:25.48fozzmoolevi: I agree.
05:26.39fozzmooI tend to think the prime motivating factor behind open source software is choice, not philosophy.
05:27.46fozzmooGiving users more options is far from "evil" in my book.
05:31.53leviWhat is now known as 'open source' has existed as long as computers have, and would still exist today even if RMS hadn't come around, though it might be a little less widespread.
05:32.38leviThe RMS 'Free Software' philosophy is really annoying to those of us who just want to use our computers for work and fun.
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06:54.52findlaylevi: well without the RMS stance on software freedom would we have as rich and broad a field of good 'open source' software to work and play with?
06:55.06findlayoh, that's what you said already :)
06:55.16findlayoh well.  I tried
07:03.29findlaybut I don't think that proprietary protocols are good or ultimately beneficial
07:04.30findlaygoogle's choice is a mixed bag
07:04.57findlaygnome supporting ooxml?  That seems less good
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08:22.42findlay~welcome Sargun
08:22.43ibotGood to see you, Sargun!
08:22.49Sargunheh
08:25.05SargunWhat's a good code indexing/search program?
08:26.05findlaydetails, my dear Sargun, details!
08:26.39findlayto what ends does your hypothetical program search/index?
08:27.37SargunI need to find where something is declared
08:27.44Sargunand trace calls, includes, etc.
08:27.50SargunI have about 4.6 Gigs of code
08:28.00findlaywhoa
08:28.33findlaydid you siphon that off an hacked MS FTP server or something? :)
08:28.58findlayI'd probably go at it with find and grep
08:29.21findlaywhat language?
08:31.20SargunC/Python/Java
08:31.30Sargunfindlay, I tried grep, I have about 10 meg of output
08:31.31Sargunhaha
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08:33.36findlaywhy do you want to sift through 4.6 GiB of source code?
08:34.04findlayno project I know is that big, unless you did snag a copy of Vista :)
08:48.48Sargunlol
08:49.24Sargunfindlay, my company's source
08:49.26SargunI hate it.
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13:53.39elg"agile construction indeed. agile methodologies work, to the extent that theyd o, because software is easy to chage. you can't refactor a bridge
13:54.04elgnor can you refactor your spelling
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14:49.14jsmith~refactor elg
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15:52.11tensairedbeard2: where are you at this week?
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15:57.35elg-metar klru
15:57.45elg~metar klru
15:57.59elg-RA woohoo
15:58.10redbeard2tensai: houston, which seems to hate me as much as i hate it
15:58.41elgobviously you don't hate houston enough
16:01.38tensaiis it possible to hate houston enough?
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16:06.59goozbachhttp://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/
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16:36.42elg-lart redbeard2
16:40.01elga nice drizzly day is the perfect time to listen to omd and depeche mode
16:41.02elghttp://www.oddpic.com/data/520/you_re-doing-it-wrong.jpg
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17:41.51tensaidoes anybody else see a problem with this URL?
17:41.54tensaidbengine.cgi?mode=plain&oid=41706&dbase=modemdb1_0&dbdesc=modemdbdesc1_0&table=co_modem&orderby=location&search=SELECT%20oid%2C%20co_modem.%2A%20FROM%20co_modem%20%20ORDER%20BY%20location
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17:51.21^Migs^http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=413826
17:52.02goozbachit's a freaking long urlencoded string?
17:53.04^Migs^http://www.hugeurl.com/?NjUwYTRjZjFkZWMxYmM1MDE4NzRiYjVlNGEwZTMzMTUmNSZWakZhVjJJeFZYZE5WV2hWWVRGS1dGWXdhRU5WTVZwVlVteGtUMVpzV2pCWmExcGhZa1phY21ORVFsZFdla1o2VjFaYVlVNXNXblZXYkhCWFlsVXhORmRYZEZkT1IxSkhWVzVTVDFZeWFGZFVWbHBhVFd4YVdFMUlaR3hTTVVwNldUQldiMVl4V1hwaFJUbFZWbFp3VEZSVVJuTmpiSEJHV2tkd1UwMUlRak5XYlhodll6RlJlVk5zVm1sVFIxSlpXVlJCTVZZeGNGaGxSWFJUVm14YVdsbFZWVFZpUjBWM1ZtcFdWazF1YUZSVk1uTjRZekpPUm1GR1VtbFdNbWg0Vmtaa05GWXlUWGhWYkZaU1lrVTFjbFZxUW5OT1ZscFlUVlJTYUZac
17:56.09teabeertensai: thats the coolest url I've seen for awhile
17:57.23tensaigoozbach: search=SELECT oid, co_modem FROM co_modem ORDER BY location
17:57.36teabeer(or something similar)
17:57.56tensaiteabeer: if it wasn't an internal system that we're moving away from, I'd be a lot worried
17:58.26tensaiand if it wasn't production, I'd consider breaking it
17:58.46goozbachoh I see now!
17:58.48goozbachnicely done
17:58.50teabeerit's funniest that it's GET
17:59.58tensaiteabeer: well, it wasn't before. I'm trying to script it so I converted it.
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18:11.40Lakshmiyou should!
18:11.43Lakshmisup ppls?
18:21.27^Migs^http://www.inktank.com/images/AT/cartoons/04-04-01.gif
18:58.34jsmith-teaching^Migs^: Good one!
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19:11.57rsimpkinsJayce^: ping
19:26.11Jayce^~pong rsimpkins
19:26.12ibotrsimpkins: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:26.21rsimpkinsJayce^: Hey.
19:26.37rsimpkinsJayce^: Do you know who made the PLUG logo orignally?
19:26.47Jayce^don't recall
19:26.58rsimpkinsk, I'm going to spam the list looking for them. :)
19:28.35rsimpkinsJayce^: I need to come get that banner too.
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19:50.36thaddeusqs/here/hear/
19:50.59leviHuh, Brandon Sanderson is going to finish the WoT series.
19:52.30synicwhat?
20:01.09Jayce^he's a local
20:18.22fozzmoohttp://townhall.com/funnies/2007/12/06/8
20:20.49Jayce^hehe
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20:32.52^Migs^wow, that's cool
20:33.02^Migs^I only made it halfway through book 4 of WoT
20:33.11^Migs^and that was because I was listening to audio books.  Might've made it farther with hardcopies.
20:33.52leviI made it a little farther with the hardcopies, but they got so bogged down later in the series, and it took forever between books...
20:35.30^Migs^I like Discworld better.  Short books, and each one is standalone.
20:37.01pelaofelizDiscworld++
20:40.58neybarI stopped around book 6.  
20:41.20neybarI figure when book 12 is released I'll go through the series one more time and then be done with it.
20:42.59synicWhy is Robert Jordan not finishing it?
20:43.14dmdavishe passed away
20:43.27synichuh
20:43.54tensaiquitter
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21:32.01^Migs^http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2007-09/3597_tom2.JPG
21:33.54undertakingyouhttp://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2007-09/3597_tom2.JPGttp://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2007-09/3597_tom2.JPG
21:39.05sontekhows life?
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21:48.04levisynic: Robert Jordan contracted some really nasty rare blood disease or something and subsequently died.  Between the two events, he wrote down a bunch of notes and made recordings and stuff so someone else would be able to finish telling the story.
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21:50.27bonez39anyone here using comcast cable? I recently upgraded to Comcast's Business Standard service....and they installed an SMC modem/gateway....anyone here using this combination?
21:51.00bonez39My question about this....before, when I had Motorola's surfboard, it worked OK
21:51.02Supaplexnot I :)
21:58.35tensaipoll time! what does "date -d 'now - 1 day' +%F" return?
22:00.25Supaplexuhm. 2007-12-09
22:01.46tensaisee, that's what I would think too. but I have a system which says 2007-12-11.
22:01.46tensaithe clock is correct though
22:01.50tensaidate -d yesterday works fine
22:02.22leviIt must be running <some OS I hate>!
22:02.40leviYou just need to upgrade to <some OS I like>, then all your problems will be solved.
22:02.53tensaiit is RH 7.3, so it *does* need to be upgraded
22:02.59Tene2007-12-09
22:03.50TeneYou must be running <some OS I like>.  That's not a bug, that's a feature, justified by long, complicated, and invalid reasoning.
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22:11.26tensaianother rh 7.3 system does the same thing. must be a bug in date.
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22:20.53tensainow time for a quiz. how many redhat 7.3 boxes do I have?
22:21.01gillyboat7.3?
22:21.11tensaiyes, you read that correct
22:21.13jsmith-teachingtensai: Less than I used to manage ;-)
22:21.17gillyboatno, you have 7.3 boxes
22:21.38tensaigillyboat: heh
22:26.55Supaplextensai: more than I
22:27.40jsmith-teachingtensai: How many?
22:28.03tensaigillyboat was only off by .7. I have 8.
22:29.24Supaplexyup. 8 more than I have.
22:31.23tensai8 more than I would like to have
22:32.31SupaplexI bet :)
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22:36.31Supaplexstupid cow
22:41.34tensaihere's a funny cow story
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22:42.16tensaion a trip with my wife once, I was eating some beef jerky. I looked out the window at some cows and said "that's what you're going to me, you big fat cow" pointing to the jerky and talking to the cows.
22:42.28tensaishe thought I was talking to her about the cows :(
22:43.21elgheh
22:43.21elgoops
22:44.08Supaplexhaa :P
22:44.26tensais/to me/to be/
22:45.09levitensai: I'll bet that led to some hurt feelings.
22:46.45Jayce^nice tensai
22:49.27tensailevi: next hour was a little rough
22:49.47tensaiof course she didn't come out and say anything. the car just got really quiet until I asked what was wrong.
22:50.18tensaiit's a funny story now though
23:16.54goozbachmaquis: got your ears on?
23:18.03elgthe begging has begun
23:18.11elg"My point total for this class was  871. I noticed that I only need 29 more points to receive
23:18.11elgan A in this class. I was jus wondering if there was anything I could do to get those extra
23:18.11elg30 points."
23:18.57elgI get begging from two groups. The almost-As and the Almost-0s (and theoretically the almost-Cs, but there doesn't really seem to be such a creature. they either fail spectacularly or don't fail)
23:21.01tensaielg: tell him to hook up with mr peabody. if he gets the reference, give him 30 geek points.
23:23.28tensaielg: I'm curious to know what the Almost-0s are begging for. I failed a couple classes, I knew I failed and I accepted my fate. That's what happens when you don't take the final after all.
23:24.04elgI had one guy on the tennis team. missed 5 out of 9 labs and two quizzes
23:24.13elgwanted to meet with me to "explain my circumstances"
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23:27.17elghe's lucky I didn't agree to meet with him
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23:33.52jsmith-teachingelg: I had a professor who was just the opposite... he'd say "Sure, come to my office.  I'll give you a pop quiz on the spot, and if you can prove to me you learned the material, I'll give you an A"
23:34.06jsmith-teachingelg: That usually shut up the whiners ;-)
23:34.16elghmm, good idea
23:34.18elgbut without warning
23:34.30elgand make the quiz grade replace the grade they're whining about
23:35.13jsmith-teachingSounds good to me ;-)
23:37.14gillyboator you could also make them take the grade that is in the box that the lovely Maria is bringing down the stairs right now
23:40.20jsmith-teaching"Let's make a deal!"
23:42.48goozbachhttp://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/dec/10/delta-launches-etiquette-videos-make-skies-friendl/?news-breaking
23:43.03fozzmoogoozbach: Did you see the fun I had this weekend?
23:44.22goozbachyeah
23:45.33findlayhm, nonlinear phenomena
23:46.05findlaystupid lines have to make everything complicated
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23:57.48vontrappi want a really good memory krell
23:57.59Teneibot: krell
23:58.29vontrappi want it to show me the top few memory users, and how much of their usage is in virtual/shared/real
23:58.41vontrappi swear i've seen one like it before
23:58.47vontrappit was colorful and stuff
23:58.51vontrappbut now i can't find it
23:58.59vontrapp-dict krell
23:59.07vontrapp~foo krell
23:59.08ibotACTION foo! || <action> bar krell || <reply> foo krell bar || foo
23:59.22vontrapphrmm, what was that command

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