IRC log for #utah on 20071209

00:16.28Sargun~lart findlay
00:16.28ibotdrops a truckload of VAXen on findlay
00:16.48findlay~sargun Sargun
00:16.48ibotgo away Tene
00:16.55findlayfindlaySargun
00:16.56Sargun~lart findlay
00:16.56ibotbreaks out the Hoover and sucks up findlay
00:16.59findlay~findlay Sargun
00:16.59ibotACTION recreationally nmaps Sargun.
00:17.08Sargun~findlay findlay
00:17.08ibotACTION recreationally nmaps findlay.
00:18.02findlay~random
00:18.13findlayoooh
00:19.21findlay~dell Sargun
00:19.22ibotDude!  Sargun's getting a dell!
00:20.51findlaywell, at least they have darts and cheetos in here
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00:38.20nick125anyone alive here?
00:46.14nick125Sargun: *poke*
00:46.38Sargunnick125,
00:46.41nick125Sargun: sup?
00:47.57Sargunnot much
00:47.57Sargunyou
00:48.45nick125not too much.....trying to figure out why my code hates me
01:11.29rsimpkinsI am so frustrated with FreeBSD as a distro of UNIX. Argh!
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01:22.09Tene~onjoin lakshmi
01:22.09ibotonjoin for lakshmi set by lakshmi on Wed Dec  5 00:08:40 2007: i'm lakshmi, here me roar!
01:22.19Tene~onjoin lakshmi squidhands
01:22.19ibotok, Tene
01:22.38Lakshmi~onjoin tene stop changing the onjoins!
01:22.38ibotok, Lakshmi
01:23.00Lakshmi~onjoin lakshmi im lakshmi here me roar!
01:23.00ibotLakshmi: ok
01:23.06Lakshmithank you ibot
01:23.15Lakshmiibot thank you
01:23.15ibotLakshmi: my pleasure
01:23.18Lakshmi~thank ibot
01:23.18ibotde rien, Lakshmi
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01:57.58nick125It'd be interesting to write a programming language in XML.
01:58.09nick125Where everything is XML...like...
01:58.39Sargunhehehe
01:58.40nick125<program lang="xmllangthingy" version="2.4" compatibility="0"><print value="hello world"/></program>
01:58.50SargunHearts|laptop, you have IPv6
01:59.16nick125Or for even more XMLish fun:
01:59.30nick125<program lang="xmllangthingy" version="2.4" compatibility="0"><call class="console" function="print" value="hello world"/></program>
02:00.23nick125Sounds like fun, eh?
02:01.40Sargun<W3C blah blah blah />
02:01.40Sargun<program lang="xmllangthingy" version="2.4" compatibility="0" main="Foobar"  
02:01.41Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:01.41Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:01.41Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:01.41Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:01.43Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:01.45Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:01.47Sargun</program>
02:02.06Sargun<W3C blah blah blah />
02:02.06Sargun<program lang="xmllangthingy" version="2.4" compatibility="0" main="Foobar"  
02:02.06Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:02.06Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:02.06Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:02.07Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:02.09Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:02.11Sargun<PROTECTED>
02:02.13Sargun</program>
02:06.48Hearts|laptopSargun: so
02:08.37herlome points out that the Ubuntu-Utah stream is live and available at http://stream.utosf.org:8080/
02:08.41brac[Icecast Streaming Media Server]
02:08.56levinick125: You're not the first to think of that, though it's an astoundingly bad idea.
02:09.16nick125levi: I know, it was sort of meant as a joke.
02:11.24nick125Most of the code would be just for the syntax.
02:12.48SargunHearts|laptop, just wondering
02:14.14Hearts|laptopI am at the Univ of Utah
02:14.38Hearts|laptopso most likely yes Sargun
02:17.19SargunHearts|laptop, Have you run into a guy who is completely insane, and obsessed with the defense arm of the government?
02:17.42SargunOr someone who is totally obsessed with math and physics? Slightly overweight, and white?
02:18.28Hearts|laptopSargun: I am that guy
02:19.02SargunYour name is gary?
02:21.41Hearts|laptopYes my name is Gary
02:33.08SargunLast name?
02:33.22SargunWhat is your last name
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04:24.42tensai~rlart
04:24.42ibotdoes a little 'dpkg -P eco' action
05:12.17findlayyourm lakshmi ?
05:13.26Lakshmiwhat findlay ?
05:15.25findlayhi
05:16.34Lakshmido you jus like talking to me
05:16.44Lakshmior are you jus bored
05:16.51findlayboth
05:17.01Lakshmiwhy do you like talking to me?
05:17.20findlaybecause you're unpredictable
05:19.03brac[Index of /mod_parrot]
05:19.13findlayoooh
05:19.22findlaycan it serve up Hello, World?
05:19.26findlay:)
05:20.10findlaylooks like it
05:20.15TeneThat's an example plumhead (parrot's php implementation) handler
05:21.24TeneWorks with any of the parrot languages.
05:21.38findlaycool
05:23.11findlayso now I can write a website in forth
05:23.51Tene... huh, there is a languages/forth/ in the parrot repository
05:24.21TeneLANGUAGES_STATUS.pod lists it as currently broken, though.
05:24.54findlaya broken website, then
05:27.57Teneyep, broken.
05:28.45Tenepynie looks like it's doing okay.
05:30.46levihttp://www.pthree.org/2007/12/08/google-is-now-officially-evil/
05:30.55leviSorry, atoponce, but that's just dumb.
05:31.37findlaywhatever, levi.  We know you're secretly a google fanboy :-)
05:33.42leviCalling google evil because they integrated an AIM chat client with gmail?  That's dumb, regardless of my feelings towards google.
05:33.52leviI mean, seriously.
05:34.18leviatoponce takes his im protocols WAY too seriously, apparently.
05:36.48findlayhow do you take your IM protocols?
05:37.06findlaywith NaCl?
05:37.13leviI simply don't think much about them.
05:37.14findlaywith sucrose?
05:38.25findlayso, anybody who thinks about their IM protocols is taking them too seriously?
05:40.01leviNo, anyone who thinks implementing AIM is 'evil' is taking them too seriously.
05:40.27findlayTene: parrot sure supports lots of languages for being incomplete
05:40.39findlayI wish they'd just concentrate on perl6 for now
05:40.46leviParrot 'supports' lots of languages.
05:41.23Tenefindlay: they're mostly concentrating on parrot itself right now.  perl6 is getting by far the most attention of any of the languages.
05:41.25findlaywhat do you mean by that?
05:41.48findlayI thought perl6 was defined by its implementation
05:41.51leviIs pugs still being actively worked on?  I haven't heard anything about it lately, except that Audrey has some healthy problems that necessitated a lifestyle change.
05:41.51Tenefindlay: he means that most of the language implementations on parrot are nowhere near complete.
05:42.03Tenefindlay: Perl 6 is defined by the test suite.
05:42.34findlay'healthy problems' :)
05:42.35levis/healthy/health
05:42.35Tenelevi: pugs isn't being actively worked on.  the two major Perl 6 projects right now are parrot and kp6
05:42.51leviWhat's kp6?
05:43.33findlay-google kp6
05:43.34brackp6: http://www.russound.com/kp6.htm
05:43.43HeartsbaneSargun: my last name is Shandling
05:43.49SargunAh
05:43.53SargunNot my nerd.
05:43.55Teneimplementation on lisp
05:44.16TeneThey're making some decent progress.
05:44.43findlayHeartsbane Shandling.  That's a cool name. :-)  Did you ever think about starring in an epic fantasy novel?
05:45.07findlayTene: cool
05:45.29Heartsbanefindlay: no
05:45.36findlay:(
05:45.41leviHeartsbane: I hope you're joking.
05:46.02Heartsbanelevi: are you the only one picking up on that
05:46.04leviHeartsbane: If you are, I don't think Sargun is old enough to get it.
05:46.19Heartsbanelevi: darn
05:46.21findlaywell, I'm not, obviously :)
05:46.32levifindlay: Gary Shandling doesn't ring any bells?
05:46.37findlaynope
05:46.40herlo~lart levi
05:46.40ibotpushes the wall down onto levi whilst whistling innocently
05:47.00herlo~lart findlay
05:47.00ibotburns findlay to a crisp with a laser
05:47.11findlay~findlay Heartsbane
05:47.12ibotACTION recreationally nmaps Heartsbane.
05:47.13findlay~findlay herlo
05:47.14ibotACTION recreationally nmaps herlo.
05:47.19herlo~herlo findlay
05:47.19ibotACTION pokes findlay in they eye with a sharp needle
05:47.21levi~levi herlo
05:47.22ibotACTION gives herlo a hovercraft and then fills it with eels!
05:48.34herlounagi!!!
05:49.08leviherlo: You may get to enjoy a few of them, but then they'll die and just make a stinky rotten mess.
05:49.40herlolevi: could be, but I can then sell them to the local sushi bar
05:50.20findlay~weather kpvu
05:50.39SargunHe is a comedian
05:50.50leviherlo: I'll just have to make sure they're all dead for a while before I deliver the hovercraft.
05:51.08leviSargun: Good job googling that.
05:52.36Sargunlol
05:52.37SargunThanks
05:52.59findlaybut I don't remember any hovercraft in The Princess Bride
05:53.30findlaysomebody from Arlington TX keeps leaving messages on my phone
06:02.37levifindlay: As long as it's not Garry Shandling...
06:09.54findlayNOAA is one of the good things about the US
06:09.59findlayjust sharing
06:12.51findlayamazing how oceanic storms can dump precipitation halfway into a continent
06:21.21Supaplex*YAWN*
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07:12.23atoponcelevi: it extends way past just aim. it's the fact they call themselves an open protocol then pull a stunt like that
07:12.46atoponcegoogle talk is anything but open, especially now
07:13.03atoponceyes. i take my softwate seiously
07:13.36atoponces/ate/are/
07:14.24SargunRsync.net or Amazon S3?
07:14.44atoponcewhy can't your im br as open as your email? surely google understands this, yet they make the im scene worse
07:17.05atoponcei see nothing silly abou judging the quality of a software company based on its ability to promote or hinder the progress of Free Software
07:17.50SargunBR?
07:18.14Supaplex~lart short weekends
07:18.14ibotbeats short weekends senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
07:20.24atoponceapparently, google is more intetested in its hinderance, therefore they are evil
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07:26.18TeneSargun: rsync.net
07:26.47SargunTene, Why?
07:26.54SargunI lost my previous backup solution
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07:31.23TeneSargun: http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt is significant
07:31.45TeneYou might not care about that personally, but something like that says many good things about a business.
07:32.45Sargun(from www.iht.com)
07:32.45SargunSharif barred from election in Pakistan
07:32.45SargunISLAMABAD: Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has been barred from running in
07:32.46Sargunparliamentary elections in January because of his criminal conviction for
07:32.46Sargunhijacking, Pakistan's election commission announced Monday.
07:32.53Sargunwhat does that have to do with it
07:33.21Sargunand the patriot act says that if you get searched with one of those "special" warrants you can't tell anyone
07:33.40TeneRight.
07:33.55TeneSo they publish a document saying that they *haven't* been searched like that.
07:34.00SargunI mean downside of amazon S3 is that bandwidth costs lotsa money
07:34.10SargunTene, if you had that document up
07:34.15Sargunand you got searched like that
07:34.19Sargunyou'd have to keep it up
07:34.26Sargunand explanation of that pakistan thing
07:34.45TeneSargun: they publish a new one every week.
07:35.03TeneThey will just not publish a new one if they do get searched.
07:36.49Sargunoh
07:36.52Sargunneat.
07:36.59SargunI didn't realize that part
07:37.13TeneI've also heard good things about their service in general.
07:37.16SargunTene, But I'm going to encrypt my stuff here either way
07:37.21SargunOr do you know about any other backup services
07:37.42TeneWell...
07:38.46TeneI know people who just rsync encrpyted filesystems around to their friends.
07:39.20Tenehttp://digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/backups.html is a document a friend wrote about his personal backup solution, or at least the interesting parts of it.
07:39.24brac[Robin Lee Powell's Backup Method]
07:48.05SargunRLP
07:48.50Sargunhm, maybe I need to go and buy another hard drive
07:48.52Sargunand use that
07:48.53Sargun:-(
07:53.15SargunOk, I'm buying a new 500 Gb HDD
07:55.31SargunIts much cheaper over 13 months (max)
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07:58.11findlay~shark
07:58.12ibothmm... shark is http://research.compaq.com/SRC/iag/
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08:16.01findlaymorning, that is
08:16.13findlayguess that's this morning now
08:16.35findlaythose silly Mormons.  Always want music
08:31.32Supaplex~lart http://bugs.debian.org/455195
08:31.32ibotthrows http://bugs.debian.org/455195's poor little doggy off a cliff
08:40.30findlay~say -chat ~rot13
08:40.30ibot-chat ~rot13
08:40.31brac~rot13 did
08:40.31ibotqvq
08:40.46Tene~rot13 rot13
08:40.46ibotebg13
08:41.01findlay~rot0 Tene
08:41.01ibotTene
08:41.17Tene~rotfindlay findlay
08:41.33findlaynow you're thinking like a mathematician
08:42.34Tenefindlay: should i use a simple incrementing integer for ids for objects, or should I go all the way and use a UUID?
08:42.56Sargun~lart findlay
08:42.56ibotoverclocks findlay until findlay burns out
08:43.10SargunTene, For what?
08:43.26TeneSargun: working on a little game
08:43.56findlayuuid.  You need to think about the future
08:44.09SargunAh, neat.
08:44.11SargunWhat language?
08:44.21findlaylike when you're going to have more objects than a 64 bit int can hold
08:44.41Tenefindlay: but shouldn't I be concerned about using up too many UUIDs?
08:45.03TeneSargun: perl, for now.  plans for parts of it to be running on parrot in the future.
08:45.08Sargunah, neat.
08:45.31findlayTene: have you been stealing UUIDs from the UUID vat again?
08:45.36Sargunlol
08:45.46Tenefindlay: they're taxing UUIDs now?
08:45.51SargunDepending on what UUID scheme you use
08:46.25Teneibot: vat
08:46.52findlayum, yeah, you give me $1 for each occurance of each UUID every day
08:48.16findlayTene: why not a hash for a key?
08:48.36Tenefindlay: hash of what?
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08:49.05findlayI don't know, but I've seen hash ID's before
08:49.14findlaysomething unique :)
08:50.11Tenelike a UUID?
08:50.14findlaygrab random numbers out of a Taylor series on cellular automata or something
08:50.23findlayor use qbits
08:50.38findlayand read data off from a digital thermocouple
08:50.53Sargun16-byte UUIDs created every second will last you 8919403.77946 years
08:51.18Sargunjust use 16-byte long longs
08:52.08findlayand hash it against the total population of papilionidae in Bejing
08:53.07Sargunuh
08:53.09Sargunyeah
08:53.13Sargunhaha
08:53.20findlay~chaos Sargun
08:55.32Sargunfindlay, What kind of game in Tene programming?
08:55.50SargunAnyone want to do a simple 1-hour programming challenge?
08:56.38findlaySargun: what's your challenge?
08:57.20TeneSargun: multiplayer roguelike
08:57.23SargunI don't have one yet.
08:57.30Tenefindlay: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sfO6JpR5Ip8
08:57.40SargunBut if anyone wants to be in one
08:57.59TeneSargun: depends on what the challenge is.
08:58.03TeneIf the problem interests me, yes.
08:59.18Sargunah, see, I was hoping someone could come up with the challenge
08:59.40SargunAny ideas?
09:01.36findlayimplement http://www.cliff.biffle.org/esoterica/hq9plus.html
09:01.40brac[HQ9+]
09:01.51SargunAre you CF?
09:02.08findlayno, I'm CF++
09:02.47Tenefindlay: there's a complete hq9+ implementation for parrot. ;)
09:03.41Sargunlol
09:03.51findlayTene: I know
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13:03.01Sargunibot, pong
13:03.02ibotPING!
13:04.35nick125wow
13:04.43nick125Sargun: hi
13:05.50Sargunnick125, why are you still up
13:06.07nick125Sargun: I got up like an hour ago
13:07.33Sargunoh
13:07.34Sargunwhoa
13:07.42nick125I don't know why either :p
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19:34.37Sargunnick125, you still awake
19:35.17SargunThe answer to regex: (?:(?: {2})((?:[0-9]{2})/(?:[0-9]{2})/(?:[0-9]{4}))(?: {3})(?:[0-9]{2}):(?:[0-9]{2})(?: {12,13})((?:[0-9]{2}):(?:[0-9]{2}))(?: {4,5})((?:[0-9])\.(?:[0-9]{2}))(?:(?: )(?:
19:35.17Sargun)(?: {12,15})(?:[0-9]{2}):(?:[0-9]{2})(?: {12,13})((?:[0-9]{2}):(?:[0-9]{2}))(?: {4,5})((?:[0-9])\.(?:[0-9]{2})))*)|([A-Z ]+,[A-Z ]+[A-Z])
19:40.16findlay((?)?)?(((()?(:()):(?()([8]6[89]5789[]5367]35
19:41.28findlaythat will only match nonsense
19:46.34Sargunhaha
19:46.39Sargunfindlay, That's not true.
19:46.54findlay~truth
19:46.55ibottruth is probably relative
19:47.00Sargun~kill findlay
19:47.00ibotACTION shoots a inverse photon gun at findlay
19:49.25findlayibot: no, truth is often known as T-theory.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-schema
19:49.26ibotokay, findlay
19:55.34findlay-chat
19:55.35bracdoh.... i didn't intend it to taste nasty if it didn't say, "try minix 3, the blah blah windows blah"
19:57.50Sargungah
19:57.56Sargun'12/03/2007': 5.1200000000000001,
19:57.57Sargun<PROTECTED>
19:58.02SargunPython won't do that!
20:00.01SargunWhat's going on????
20:01.11SargunWhy do people assume code is really weird, and only computer programmers can understand it?
20:01.17SargunIts english
20:01.19Sargunsort of
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20:08.56goozbachfozzmoo: guess what
20:09.05fozzmoohttp://www.fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/2007/12/glenn-beck-christmas-show.html
20:09.10fozzmoogoozbach: You're pregnant?
20:09.38goozbachyou search for "chairty hammock" on google, your "goozbach gets married" post is on the first page
20:10.12fozzmooSweet.
20:10.22fozzmooUnless she wants some anonymity.
20:11.14herlogoozbach: already?
20:11.38goozbachno, we arent' pregnant yet
20:12.37herlo<_<
20:12.39herlo>_>
20:13.10fozzmoohee hee.
20:13.25herloyummy aren't I?
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23:17.30findlay~roar
23:17.30ibotWRAAA!!
23:17.35findlayoooohh
23:21.49linuxalienHow saucy
23:22.40atoponce~lart herlo
23:22.40ibotchops herlo in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
23:22.52linuxalienhi atoponce
23:22.54herlo~lart atoponce
23:22.54ibotpulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps atoponce
23:23.47linuxalienhaha
23:25.17findlay~random
23:25.23findlayyay

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