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| 00:26.43 | fozzmoo | So, I got a laptop for my dad today. |
| 00:31.53 | fozzmoo | Went to Costco and got a low-end HP. |
| 00:31.58 | fozzmoo | It, of course, has Vista on it. |
| 00:32.07 | fozzmoo | I was just going to reformat and install Linux. |
| 00:32.29 | fozzmoo | But Adam said, "Make system recovery disks, just in case." |
| 00:32.33 | fozzmoo | So, I did. |
| 00:32.38 | fozzmoo | Well, I started. |
| 00:32.42 | fozzmoo | at 2:00 |
| 00:32.51 | fozzmoo | Still going. |
| 00:32.54 | fozzmoo | 2 DVDs. |
| 00:33.00 | fozzmoo | Gotta write them. then verify them. |
| 00:33.00 | pmcnabb | fozzmoo: just the recovery disks? |
| 00:33.52 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 00:34.01 | fozzmoo | Well, there was 40 minutes there where I was driving home. |
| 00:34.08 | fozzmoo | I left the laptop on doing nothing. |
| 00:34.33 | fozzmoo | Adam said it would take 2-3 hours. that estimate appears to have been on the short side. |
| 00:34.48 | fozzmoo | Vista just sucks. |
| 00:35.01 | fozzmoo | Maybe Vista was created to improve people's opinions of XP!? |
| 00:35.27 | elg | This headline is worthy of the daily unifarse |
| 00:36.27 | elg | "chewing gum during exams may raise score" |
| 00:37.28 | elg | informal non-scientific study...According to Wrigley Jr. Company press release...students who chewed gum received a mean score of 90, while students who did not chew gum received a mean score of 60... |
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| 00:56.44 | herlo | ibot: no he didn't |
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| 02:38.31 | levi | Wheeeeee. |
| 02:42.47 | jsmith | I bounced down the stairs today, does that count? |
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| 02:45.29 | levi | I'm just happy that this is the last day of classes. |
| 02:46.53 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 02:47.19 | jsmith | No more classes, no more books... no more expensive textbook crooks! |
| 02:47.34 | levi | Now I just have to study, take finals, and... well, then I have lots of stuff to do around the house. |
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| 04:53.19 | vontrapp | what would you call a mapping of something to a schedule versus the schedule itself? |
| 04:53.53 | jsmith | A view? |
| 04:54.03 | jsmith | A transform? |
| 04:54.11 | jsmith | A dart board? |
| 04:54.17 | vontrapp | rather, a mapping between thing and schedule |
| 04:54.26 | jsmith | a relation? |
| 04:54.37 | vontrapp | well, yeah, i was going for less generic |
| 04:54.45 | jsmith | A relationship? |
| 04:54.48 | vontrapp | vehicles and schedules, to be specific |
| 04:54.58 | vontrapp | a vehicle is like a car |
| 04:55.06 | vontrapp | and a schedule is like change the oil every year |
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| 04:55.59 | vontrapp | what do you call that thing that binds a vehicle and a schedule together? |
| 04:56.27 | tensai | a thunk? |
| 04:56.28 | vontrapp | maybe i'm going about it wrong, maybe schedule -> task, and a schedule is a union of vehicle and task |
| 04:56.29 | mrpull-lt | vontrapp: is that the start of a joke? |
| 04:56.59 | vontrapp | yep, and theres the punchline |
| 04:58.14 | vontrapp | is there a better word than task |
| 04:58.26 | tensai | appointment? |
| 04:58.27 | vontrapp | for tire rotation, oil change, register, whatever |
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| 04:59.10 | tensai | event? |
| 04:59.14 | vontrapp | hmm, appointment with a schedule... |
| 04:59.21 | vontrapp | that could work |
| 04:59.26 | jsmith | "scheduled maintenance"? |
| 04:59.43 | vontrapp | these are database names, btw |
| 04:59.49 | vontrapp | table names |
| 05:00.20 | vontrapp | jsmith is ascared of databases |
| 05:01.05 | mrpull-lt | service schedule? |
| 05:01.08 | vontrapp | something very much like appointment, but as pertains to a recurring schedule |
| 05:01.22 | mrpull-lt | service interval? |
| 05:02.06 | vontrapp | the schedule (or task) is itself of a recurring nature |
| 05:02.51 | mrpull-lt | reoccurring preventative maintenance? |
| 05:03.36 | vontrapp | here's how the data goes |
| 05:04.06 | vontrapp | a schedule (name could differ) has an interval, along with name and description |
| 05:04.56 | vontrapp | a vehicle can be associated with many schedules through a join model wherein is stored the particulars of the schedule (like when it starts, when the next one is, etc) |
| 05:05.34 | vontrapp | i'm looking for succinct descriptive names |
| 05:05.44 | vontrapp | otherwise i'll go ahead and use schedules_vehicles |
| 05:12.34 | mrpull-lt | just use foo,bar,baz |
| 05:12.47 | mrpull-lt | the next coder will thank you later |
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| 05:14.45 | mrpull-lt | nope... nothing. |
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| 05:21.16 | sontek | Hey, I have a bug where when I first bootup gnome thinks my VGA is on (xrandr shows it off, but has a resolution for it, which I believe is what gnome is reading) so I can only use half my screen: http://www.orchidesolutions.com/bug-in-gnome2.png |
| 05:21.20 | sontek | I can do xrandr --output VGA --off to fix it, but then I reboot and its broken again |
| 05:21.23 | sontek | any ideas? =) |
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| 08:22.23 | findlay | -chat |
| 08:22.24 | brac | I WANNA see! |
| 08:22.27 | findlay | -chat homework |
| 08:22.27 | brac | homework was due to DMCA |
| 08:22.41 | findlay | -chat Lakshmi |
| 08:22.42 | brac | Lakshmi went |
| 08:26.16 | Lakshmi | findlay why me? |
| 08:26.26 | Lakshmi | -chat findlay |
| 08:26.26 | brac | findlay was fortunate to find the white trash family that moved into this further? |
| 08:28.32 | findlay | -chat why me? |
| 08:28.33 | brac | beats me |
| 08:28.33 | brac | why me? What'd I do it for non-personal stuff |
| 08:33.52 | findlay | -chat reset by |
| 08:33.52 | brac | reset by peer means that Apple cinnamon? |
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| 08:48.14 | brac | [~ |
| 08:48.14 | brac | ~say You have taken yourself too seriously. |
| 08:48.15 | ibot | You have taken yourself too seriously. |
| 08:48.15 | brac | ~] |
| 08:51.25 | findlay | ~lart Sargun |
| 08:51.25 | ibot | shoots Sargun in his sleep |
| 08:51.28 | findlay | -chat Sargun |
| 08:51.31 | brac | Sargun did |
| 08:51.53 | findlay | ~say go to bed Sargun |
| 08:51.53 | ibot | go to bed Sargun |
| 08:54.45 | Sargun | No. |
| 09:11.26 | Lakshmi | yeah no. |
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| 09:19.41 | Lakshmi | you should |
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| 14:32.06 | Tene | -chat a b |
| 14:32.06 | brac | a b flat trumpet and is still limited access. |
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| 15:23.04 | elg | tennis player misses 6 out of 10 labs and 2 out of 5 quizzes and wants to discuss "circumstances" and "options" |
| 15:23.17 | elg | oh and the last day of class is tomorrow and then finals week |
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| 15:35.51 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for good reason |
| 15:35.51 | ibot | lowers Jayce^'s priority for good reason |
| 15:35.57 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ for good measure |
| 15:35.57 | ibot | strangles Jayce^ with a doohicky mouse cord for good measure |
| 15:36.01 | Keighvin | That sounds better. |
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| 15:36.58 | Keighvin | Mornin' |
| 15:37.14 | Shadowwire | Not in Austrailia. |
| 15:37.41 | Keighvin | Evenin' |
| 15:42.22 | Shadowwire | http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Mountain/d/-7/java |
| 15:44.06 | Keighvin | meh. |
| 15:52.59 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap Keighvin |
| 15:53.00 | ibot | ACTION beats Keighvin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:54.51 | Jayce^ | ~lart Keighvin for great justice |
| 15:54.51 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto Keighvin whilst whistling innocently for great justice |
| 15:57.40 | goozbach | grub pudding! |
| 15:58.25 | goozbach | I finished half-life 2 episiode 2 last night |
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| 16:18.53 | RyanE | If anyone is interested in Bells on Temple Square concert tickets (tomorrow night, Conference Center), let me know. |
| 16:20.47 | jsmith | RyanE: Oooh... If nobody else goes for them, I'll take them off your hands |
| 16:21.17 | RyanE | jsmith: I've got quite a few. How many do you want? (kids must be 8 years and older) |
| 16:21.39 | RyanE | jsmith: but the price is right... $0 |
| 16:21.44 | jsmith | RyanE: I'm in Virginia, but I've got family that would love to go... how soon do you need to know? |
| 16:21.56 | jsmith | RyanE: Gimme a few minutes, and I'll let you know |
| 16:22.00 | RyanE | jsmith: ok. |
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| 16:23.11 | Supaplex | gimmie! |
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| 16:29.12 | redbeard2 | so, this training center buys us donuts each morning. and this week there have been a couple of donuts in each box that's been made to look like a snowman |
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| 16:29.33 | redbeard2 | problem is, the icing bled on this one, so it looks more like an insane clown |
| 16:33.00 | jsmith | Awesome... pictures? |
| 16:33.12 | Keighvin | redbeard2 hates clowns, da? |
| 16:33.56 | redbeard2 | Keighvin: can't sleep, clowns will eat me |
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| 16:42.07 | redbeard2 | jsmith: http://blog.josephhall.com/uploaded_images/Photo_120607_002.jpg |
| 16:42.30 | jsmith | redbeard2: Awesome! |
| 16:43.24 | tensai | ~clown redbeard2 |
| 16:49.25 | timinator | LOL morning guys |
| 16:55.09 | tensai | ~clown $foo is <action> puts on a red nose and attacks $foo in his sleep |
| 16:55.10 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 17:05.04 | synic | is there a non-php alternative to squirrelmail out there? |
| 17:24.20 | elg | mutt |
| 17:25.16 | jsmith | alpine? |
| 17:27.27 | sontek | synic: you can try bobomail |
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| 17:30.30 | sjansen | For the last couple of years I've blissfully avoided any significant Web development. |
| 17:30.44 | Supaplex | synic: there's a C one in fact. sqwebmail |
| 17:31.03 | sjansen | Unfortunately, I'm temporarily back in the trenches. |
| 17:31.21 | elg | ooh, we can mock you |
| 17:31.24 | elg | what are you doing? |
| 17:31.56 | sjansen | Let me give you some advice: If you hear you Web developer muttering something about hasLayout, RUN! don't walk RUN AWAY! |
| 17:42.08 | elg | ~flee |
| 17:42.09 | ibot | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 17:42.17 | elg | sounds like java |
| 17:44.28 | rsimpkins | I love my Rubik's snake. |
| 17:45.11 | tensai | ~snake sjansen |
| 17:45.43 | tensai | ~snake $rsimpkins is <action> locks $rsimpkins in a cage with a hungry python |
| 17:45.44 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 17:46.13 | dataw0lf | muha, XKCD rocking the Python. |
| 17:47.02 | synic | sweet, bobomail is python |
| 17:53.07 | nick125 | hahaah @ xkcd |
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| 18:10.50 | sjansen | Argh! If I use a clear, I trigger the peek-a-boo bug. If I work around the peek-a-boo bug, the clear is ignored. |
| 18:12.14 | sjansen | Bummer, bobomail looks abandoned. |
| 18:14.09 | rsimpkins | peek-a-boo-bug? |
| 18:14.51 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: IE bug that makes text disappear |
| 18:15.09 | rsimpkins | Ahh. Don't use IE much - so. :) |
| 18:18.31 | elg | sjansen: lovely thing, IE |
| 18:32.43 | jsmith | ~ie sjansen |
| 18:32.58 | jsmith | -chat about Internet Explorer |
| 18:32.58 | brac | Internet Explorer has no clue |
| 18:34.44 | maquis | brac: correct |
| 18:34.48 | maquis | -chat about firefox |
| 18:34.48 | brac | firefox went |
| 18:34.52 | maquis | -chat about firefox |
| 18:34.52 | brac | firefox went |
| 18:34.53 | maquis | -chat about firefox |
| 18:34.53 | brac | firefox is macness, and anyone showing something messed up? |
| 18:34.58 | maquis | -chat about firefox |
| 18:34.58 | brac | firefox is better... |
| 18:35.06 | maquis | -chat about firefox |
| 18:35.07 | brac | firefox did |
| 18:35.08 | maquis | -chat about firefox |
| 18:35.09 | brac | firefox went |
| 18:35.10 | maquis | -chat about firefox |
| 18:35.10 | brac | firefox did |
| 18:35.17 | maquis | -chat about fire fox |
| 18:35.17 | brac | fire fox |
| 18:35.21 | maquis | hmmm |
| 18:35.23 | maquis | -chat about maquis |
| 18:35.24 | brac | maquis did not take away control in it, and you can remember the rest of us used to be installed. |
| 18:49.06 | Shadowwire | Did Fox just get fired? |
| 18:50.36 | goozbach | -chat about goozbach |
| 18:50.36 | brac | goozbach went |
| 18:50.45 | goozbach | yes I did, and what did I do? |
| 18:50.52 | goozbach | -chat about goozbach did |
| 18:50.52 | brac | goozbach did |
| 18:51.02 | Shadowwire | Why is it, Firefox used to be so good, and now... |
| 18:51.04 | goozbach | -chat about goozbach did what |
| 18:51.05 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 18:51.12 | Shadowwire | -help |
| 18:51.12 | brac | help topics: core, auth [53 plugins: 8ball, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bash, cal, chucknorris, deepthought, demauro, dice, digg, dns, excuse, figlet, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, host, imdb, insult, iplookup|userip, karmastats|karma, keyword|forget|tell, lart, lastfm, markov|chat, math, movieplot|movietitle, nickserv, opme, qauth, quotes, realm, remind, roshambo, rot13, roulette, |
| 18:51.14 | brac | rps, rss, rubyurl, search|google, seen, slashdot, spell, threat, tinyurl, topic, translate, tube, urban, urls, weather|metar, wserver; 13 plugins ignored: use help ignored plugins to see why] (help <topic> for more info) |
| 18:53.16 | tensai | sjansen: have you tried hasLayout? |
| 18:53.57 | sjansen | hasLayout is the root of my problem |
| 18:54.17 | sjansen | ~beat tensai |
| 18:54.18 | ibot | ACTION beats tensai with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 18:54.33 | sjansen | Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! |
| 18:57.33 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you know tensai has problems with smokers... |
| 18:57.39 | Jayce^ | homemade onews |
| 19:00.30 | findlay | so today I had confrontation with dude-who-umplugs-my-network-cable |
| 19:00.48 | findlay | not pretty. I'm in a bad mood today |
| 19:02.07 | findlay | caught him in the act |
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| 19:02.18 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 19:02.35 | findlay | seemed to think that company backups weren't as important as his web surfing |
| 19:03.48 | Shadowwire | Kick his a**! |
| 19:04.17 | Shadowwire | rot13 |
| 19:04.25 | Shadowwire | -rot13 |
| 19:04.44 | Shadowwire | -8ball |
| 19:04.45 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help 8ball' |
| 19:04.47 | Keighvin | ~rot13 plus waht you want to rot |
| 19:04.47 | ibot | cyhf jnug lbh jnag gb ebg |
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| 19:05.01 | Shadowwire | -8ball something |
| 19:05.22 | Shadowwire | -lart dude-who-unplugs-network |
| 19:05.26 | Keighvin | ~rot1 HAL |
| 19:05.26 | ibot | IBM |
| 19:05.51 | Shadowwire | I dont get the "rot13" thing |
| 19:06.10 | levi | Cool, trailer for Prince Caspian. |
| 19:06.11 | Shadowwire | ~rot3 HAL |
| 19:06.11 | ibot | KDO |
| 19:06.11 | findlay | ~rot13 rot13 |
| 19:06.11 | ibot | ebg13 |
| 19:06.14 | Keighvin | ROTate characters in the alphabet by N (13) characters; |
| 19:06.29 | Shadowwire | O I C. |
| 19:06.37 | Shadowwire | cool |
| 19:06.40 | findlay | ~rot1337 cool |
| 19:06.40 | ibot | nzzw |
| 19:06.46 | Keighvin | It's an inexpensive cipher that's transparent enough to use but obscures things you don't want to read unintentionally. |
| 19:07.04 | Keighvin | rot13 is kind of the standard, rot26 is used in jokes, and rotN is used for arbitrary nerdiness. |
| 19:07.58 | findlay | ~rot1099511627776 cool |
| 19:07.58 | ibot | seeb |
| 19:08.21 | Keighvin | rot1048576 megabyte |
| 19:08.25 | Keighvin | ~rot1048576 megabyte |
| 19:08.25 | ibot | iacwxupa |
| 19:08.35 | findlay | 1099511627776 == 1024^4 |
| 19:08.55 | Keighvin | Nifty. |
| 19:09.42 | Keighvin | Also known as 1TB, yes? |
| 19:09.57 | findlay | looks like it |
| 19:10.24 | findlay | although TiB would be more proper |
| 19:10.42 | Shadowwire | -chat -rot1 something |
| 19:10.42 | brac | -rot1 something |
| 19:10.58 | Shadowwire | -chat ~rot1 something |
| 19:10.59 | brac | ~rot1 something |
| 19:10.59 | ibot | tpnfuijoh |
| 19:12.14 | maquis | -chat ~lart |
| 19:12.14 | brac | ~lart had |
| 19:12.14 | ibot | rm -rf's had |
| 19:13.13 | findlay | ~say -chat ~lart |
| 19:13.14 | ibot | -chat ~lart |
| 19:13.15 | brac | ~lart was not getting any closer? |
| 19:13.15 | ibot | beats was not getting any closer? into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 19:17.33 | Shadowwire | thats impressive, the whole Andromeda galaxy. all 76 KPC of it |
| 19:23.57 | Shadowwire | ~lart Stupid Printers |
| 19:23.57 | ibot | takes a big bite out of Stupid Printers's jugular vein |
| 19:24.20 | Shadowwire | ~lart Stupid Printers for the second time |
| 19:24.20 | ibot | takes Stupid Printers to the vet for a "special" visit for the second time |
| 19:24.43 | Shadowwire | ~lart Stupid Printers for the third time |
| 19:24.43 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Stupid Printers until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with for the third time |
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| 19:34.22 | Shadowwire | ~lart Stupid Printers for the fourth time |
| 19:34.22 | ibot | gives Stupid Printers a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for the fourth time |
| 19:34.35 | Shadowwire | ~lart Stupid Printers for the fifth time |
| 19:34.35 | ibot | turns Stupid Printers into a lifesized tux doll for the fifth time |
| 19:34.59 | Shadowwire | ~eat stupid printers |
| 19:35.00 | ibot | That's too disgusting. |
| 19:35.05 | Shadowwire | I agree. |
| 19:35.20 | Shadowwire | ~eat crap |
| 19:35.21 | ibot | ACTION eats crap and falls over dead |
| 19:37.49 | Shadowwire | Anyone Use AIX on a regular basis? |
| 19:38.57 | tensai | thankfully, no |
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| 19:44.29 | Shadowwire | my company is getting a new server that runs AIX. |
| 19:48.17 | tensai | and two days later you'll put linux on it? |
| 19:48.57 | Shadowwire | ~lart smart comments. |
| 19:48.57 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on smart comments. |
| 19:51.09 | tensai | what sort of server? |
| 19:52.38 | Shadowwire | IBm P55 for running Eclipse. |
| 19:53.42 | jsmith | Eclipse requires an big-ol' AIX box? |
| 19:54.08 | Shadowwire | When its the server for 7 branches it does. |
| 19:54.38 | jsmith | This is Eclipse, the IDE, right? |
| 19:54.45 | Shadowwire | No. |
| 19:55.25 | jsmith | Carnivore got renamed to Eclipse? |
| 19:57.28 | Shadowwire | Activant Eclipse. Its POS software. (in every sense) |
| 19:57.43 | maquis | carnivore the FBI tool? |
| 19:57.47 | maquis | or some other carnivore? |
| 19:58.12 | maquis | -chat |
| 19:58.13 | brac | ~# /sbin/init 6 |
| 19:58.17 | maquis | -chat |
| 19:58.18 | brac | And my ability to rip my entire point |
| 20:00.02 | Shadowwire | anybody here use UNIX as opposed to Linux? |
| 20:00.49 | jsmith | Shadowwire: I've used lots of variants of UNIX... why? |
| 20:02.08 | Shadowwire | Im looking for Opinions mostly. |
| 20:03.50 | Shadowwire | ~greet everyone |
| 20:03.51 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on everyone |
| 20:04.32 | Supaplex | ~wake Shadowwire |
| 20:04.33 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Shadowwire and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:09.18 | Shadowwire | ~chucknoris Supaplex |
| 20:09.29 | Shadowwire | ~chucknoris |
| 20:09.39 | Shadowwire | -chucknoris supaplex |
| 20:09.46 | Shadowwire | -chucknoris |
| 20:09.51 | Shadowwire | hmm. |
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| 20:23.13 | levi | Programming is hard, let's go scripting... |
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| 20:30.15 | elg | Shadowwire: I use os x. i've used hpux and solaris |
| 20:34.41 | tensai | ~chucknorris Shadowwire |
| 20:35.28 | tensai | ~chucknorris $foo is <action> round house kicks $foo |
| 20:35.29 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 20:40.23 | Keighvin | OK people, the Chuck Norris signature move is a WHEEL KICK, not a roundhouse. |
| 20:47.19 | tensai | ~no, chucknorris $foo is <action> wheel kicks $foo |
| 20:47.30 | tensai | ~chucknorris Keighvin |
| 20:47.31 | ibot | ACTION round house kicks Keighvin |
| 20:49.22 | tensai | ~chucknorris $foo is <action> wheel kicks $foo |
| 20:49.22 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 20:49.27 | tensai | ~chucknorris Keighvin |
| 20:49.28 | ibot | ACTION wheel kicks Keighvin |
| 20:49.56 | tensai | ~factinfo cmd: chucknorris (.*?) |
| 20:49.56 | ibot | cmd: chucknorris (.*?) -- created by tensai <n=tensai@joanna.zmonkey.org> 34s ago; it has been requested once, last by tensai, 28s ago. |
| 20:50.39 | tensai | cool. now I finally know how to update commands! |
| 20:57.28 | sontek | anyone good with awk/grep? I need to do an svn status and awk out all the first column (the status), and then take all the files and create them as a comma separated list, with newlines after each comma |
| 20:57.40 | sontek | I need to update a changelog with lots of files changed :P |
| 20:59.34 | tensai | can you pastebin a snippet of the svn status output? |
| 21:02.08 | jsmith | Something like: svn status | cut -b 8-80 | sed -e 's/$/,/' |
| 21:02.38 | jsmith | sontek: That fit the bill? |
| 21:03.02 | sontek | jsmith: that was perfect =) |
| 21:04.25 | jsmith | sontek: Any time ;-) |
| 21:10.09 | findlay | cool |
| 21:10.21 | findlay | can I be the command-line-pirate? |
| 21:12.31 | rsimpkins | Woot! MySQL is coming in May. |
| 21:12.47 | rsimpkins | Flying in a presentor in May any way. |
| 21:12.52 | rsimpkins | presenter |
| 21:13.05 | findlay | ~mysql rsimpkins |
| 21:13.41 | rsimpkins | It should be a really great meeting. |
| 21:15.25 | rsimpkins | No. |
| 21:15.36 | findlay | yeah-huh |
| 21:15.49 | findlay | 3 years ago |
| 21:15.52 | findlay | ish |
| 21:15.52 | rsimpkins | What happened? |
| 21:16.22 | findlay | some MySQL publicommunity guy came and gave a presentation |
| 21:16.29 | findlay | s/public// |
| 21:16.33 | rsimpkins | Yeah, same sort of deal here. |
| 21:16.44 | rsimpkins | However, a lot has happened in the last three years. |
| 21:17.15 | findlay | mysql-4.0 hadn't quite been released yet |
| 21:17.57 | findlay | what's it up to now? |
| 21:18.01 | findlay | ~find mysql |
| 21:18.05 | rsimpkins | 5.0 |
| 21:18.10 | rsimpkins | 5.1 RC very close. |
| 21:23.53 | levi | You know, I should give a PLUG presentation on scripting with scsh sometime. |
| 21:26.45 | tensai | rsimpkins: any idea what he's going to be presenting on? |
| 21:27.41 | rsimpkins | tensai: He's going to be sending me a list of topics, and we'll take votes from everyone. |
| 21:27.53 | rsimpkins | tensai: My suggestion was what's new in 5.0, 5.1 |
| 21:28.00 | rsimpkins | Or, why upgrade from 4.0? |
| 21:28.10 | rsimpkins | I think we still have A LOT of members using 4.0/4.1 |
| 21:28.23 | tensai | *ahem* 3.23 *cough* |
| 21:28.35 | rsimpkins | Yeah, we have MORE than our share here. :) |
| 21:29.32 | tensai | we use a lot of mysql, but a marketing speach wouldn't warrant the 4 hour trip for me |
| 21:29.40 | tensai | s/speach/speech/ |
| 21:30.00 | tensai | or maybe it was s/peach. it's a peach with encryption. |
| 21:30.35 | levi | rsimpkins: So, do you have presenters scheduled until May, or is that just when they decided to send one? |
| 21:32.05 | rsimpkins | levi: Pretty much until May. |
| 21:32.10 | rsimpkins | And beyond really. |
| 21:32.35 | levi | Wow. Do you have a schedule? |
| 21:32.38 | rsimpkins | I'm carefully considering all the options, and might move some of these guys around. |
| 21:33.25 | levi | I.e., who's presenting what when? |
| 21:33.25 | rsimpkins | Jan, Feb, and May are confirmed. |
| 21:33.25 | rsimpkins | So March, April are in negotiations still. |
| 21:33.25 | findlay | sjansen knows how to shave a yak |
| 21:33.25 | levi | I should actually be able to make it to meetings, at least during next semester. |
| 21:33.34 | findlay | -chat sjansen |
| 21:33.34 | brac | sjansen was actually able to verify that it has a nice comfy couch? |
| 21:33.37 | tensai | levi: are you done with school completely? |
| 21:34.06 | levi | tensai: Nope. |
| 21:34.13 | rsimpkins | Jan. is a Sys Admin topic. Feb is an open source biz topic. then we'll have a windows/linux integration topic, then MySQL. |
| 21:34.24 | rsimpkins | I'd like to get a language topic in March/April |
| 21:34.30 | rsimpkins | Any recommendations? |
| 21:34.37 | levi | Scsh. :) |
| 21:35.09 | rsimpkins | How are you using it? |
| 21:35.15 | rsimpkins | Or rather, where are you using it. |
| 21:35.58 | levi | Well, I don't actually use it much, but it's designed for writing scripts on POSIX systems. |
| 21:36.20 | levi | Like, sh-style scripts that call programs and pipe them together. |
| 21:37.31 | levi | It aims to combine the ease-of-piping of sh with the low-level POSIX API access of C, but in a nice, elegant package. |
| 21:37.58 | levi | It also has a built-in awk-like DSL. |
| 21:38.07 | findlay | what kind of salsa do you eat with it? |
| 21:38.27 | findlay | it's finals week next week |
| 21:38.42 | tensai | ~salsa findlay |
| 21:38.48 | levi | I found it pretty nice to use for text file munging, too. |
| 21:39.29 | levi | Anyway, this new serious PLUG you're leading would probably be more interested in something less esoteric, anyway. |
| 21:39.44 | findlay | no way |
| 21:39.57 | findlay | esoterckicia |
| 21:40.19 | rsimpkins | levi: Serious PLUG? |
| 21:40.27 | tensai | ~lart linksys |
| 21:40.27 | ibot | executes killall -KILL linksys |
| 21:41.00 | levi | rsimpkins: SRIUS PLUG IS SRIUS |
| 21:41.19 | rsimpkins | My ability to feed my family depends on Linux and open source software. So I guess I take to too seriously some times. |
| 21:41.30 | rsimpkins | to/it |
| 21:41.37 | findlay | serious penguins |
| 21:41.39 | rsimpkins | Not enough sushi at lunch. |
| 21:43.16 | levi | Well, I have never been particularly interested in the serious, family-feeding part of Linux. I've always been interested in the 'cool stuff' and 'fun toys' factors, even when I did use it for work. |
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| 21:44.19 | levi | But I suspect I'm in the minority, so putting together more 'serious' material for PLUG is likely good for it and most of its members. |
| 21:44.35 | rsimpkins | I love the fun stuff. |
| 21:44.47 | tensai | the esoteric stuff eventually becomes the serious stuff |
| 21:44.55 | rsimpkins | Agreed. |
| 21:45.07 | levi | Except for Scsh, which is Lisp so it will never become mainstream. ;) |
| 21:45.32 | rsimpkins | I would love a presentation on linux hardware hacks/tricks/electronics/robotics or similar. |
| 21:45.42 | levi | You guys don't even accept Emacs, for goodness sake. Such a biased community! ;) |
| 21:45.45 | rsimpkins | Or Linux and HAM radio. |
| 21:45.52 | findlay | robotic tux |
| 21:45.57 | findlay | with a ham radio |
| 21:46.24 | rsimpkins | There are so many great topics to choose from, it's really hard to pick one. |
| 21:46.27 | elg | levi: know any good articles on error handling? specifically in asynchronous messaging, but in general too |
| 21:46.42 | elg | articles, posts, books, rants, whatever |
| 21:46.56 | levi | How about this for a paper title, "Pointer Swizzling at Page Fault Time: Efficiently and Compatibly Supporting Huge Address Spaces on Standard Hardware" |
| 21:47.29 | levi | elg: Well, there's Armstrong's thesis on reliable software. |
| 21:47.52 | levi | elg: Wherein he describes erlang and his philosophy on dealing with errors. |
| 21:48.29 | levi | Other than that, all I've seen lately is stuff arguing back and forth about exceptions. |
| 21:49.55 | levi | It seems that most of the 'exceptions are bad!' folks either experienced them in C++, where they are fraught with peril, or in Java, where they are a constant source of extra typing. |
| 21:52.11 | levi | Anyway, I came across the swizzling paper in a discussion on comp.lang.lisp between a guy who helped implement Allegro Comon Lisp and their persistent object store system and a guy who formerly worked at Symbolics implementing their Lisp Machine software system and some later object store systems elsewhere. |
| 21:54.01 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handed_material |
| 21:54.45 | elg | this particular line of thought goes like this: OSC (opensoundcontrol) is a network protocol base, if you will. It's generally done over UDP, and while you can send a reply to a UDP packet other than that the whole thing is connectionless. Asynchronous |
| 21:54.53 | findlay | man, I'm so spoiled by wikipedia |
| 21:55.30 | elg | I like OSC for various reasons, but this lack of meaningful bidirectional communication is always a hangup, and usually just because of error stuff |
| 21:55.40 | elg | so I'm trying to derive a best practice or pattern on the subejct |
| 21:57.39 | elg | the same underlying nagging feeling is in all code, though. esp e.g. C code where you have a single return value, less so in the presence of exceptions |
| 21:58.38 | levi | Well, I would certainly be interested in hearing your results when you come up with them. |
| 21:59.38 | levi | What kinds of error conditions have been causing trouble? |
| 22:00.33 | elg | take e.g. a jukebox. you say (asynchronously) "play foo.mp3" |
| 22:00.50 | elg | if foo.mp3 doesn't exist, you can reply right then about that error |
| 22:01.48 | elg | but what if halfway through there's a read error, or the file is corrupted? any number of things can go wrong. they won't, usually, but they can. the jukebox can do something smart, e.g. just stop playing and wait for instructions, or go to the next song |
| 22:02.38 | elg | but how does the client get wind of what happened? does it register in an observer-like pattern to be told about errors? does it just poll periodically to see if everything is as it should be? does the server keep a list of things that went wrong to tell pollers? |
| 22:04.08 | levi | Good questions, but I'm not sure the answers would be the same for all asychronous systems. |
| 22:04.53 | elg | perhaps so |
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| 22:06.26 | levi | In the case of a jukebox, you have a contract that when you ask for a media stream, you'll be getting packets at regular intervals. If they stop, there's an implicit signal of an error condition, at which point the client could query the jukebox for information. |
| 22:07.46 | levi | An alternative would be to set up an out-of-band control channel with error signaling built-in. |
| 22:08.12 | elg | well, the example I'm thinking of is the jukebox plays the file, and the client is just controlling it at a high level |
| 22:08.16 | elg | but yes i follow |
| 22:08.59 | levi | Oh, so the client isn't receiving a stream, it's just sending control messages. |
| 22:09.56 | levi | So your problem isn't so much asynchrony as it is a unidirectional data path. |
| 22:10.15 | elg | yes |
| 22:11.42 | elg | of course it's not strictly unidirectional |
| 22:12.56 | elg | at the moment I'm gravitating toward error messages going out on a sort of error bus. if you care about them, you register with the bus which then sends the error messages to you |
| 22:13.50 | levi | Sounds like a reasonable solution. This is kind of like a SNMP trap, where a managed device can be programmed with a 'trapsink' to send traps to. |
| 22:14.38 | levi | You set the trapsink on all your devices to the address of your management station, and it's set up to receive them and notify you. |
| 22:15.07 | elg | yes, that's true. except there are multiple sinks and a client can request to be a sink |
| 22:15.52 | levi | Well, you can do that in SNMP too, I was just simplifying. |
| 22:15.55 | elg | but then, in some applications, you might as well just notice all clients and automatically register them, and automatically deregister them when a message fails |
| 22:16.05 | elg | ok, didn't realize you could set a trap dynamically |
| 22:17.01 | levi | You can generally set up your trapsinks via a SNMP-managed table and some other GUI/text interface. |
| 22:18.18 | levi | Anyway, are any other messages being sent regularly to a client? I can imagine you might want to be able to send updates about what track is currently playing, or other info like that. |
| 22:19.18 | elg | could be useful, indeed. events for example |
| 22:20.40 | levi | I would suggest implementing a general server->client message path and then building error notification on top of it. |
| 22:21.13 | elg | yeah I think you're righ |
| 22:21.14 | elg | t |
| 22:24.14 | levi | This pointer swizzling paper is way cool. :) |
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| 22:27.49 | levi | http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/92467.html |
| 22:32.54 | jsmith | It exploits temporal and spatial locality, now does it? |
| 22:33.27 | jsmith | Does "exploiting spatial locality" mean it moves things from one place to another? |
| 22:39.40 | tensai | levi: those acknowledgements are a little, um, scary |
| 22:45.42 | pelaofeliz | can anyone recommend penetration testing or vulnerability scanning tools? |
| 22:46.08 | tensai | graphyx probably could if he were here |
| 22:46.08 | maquis | yay!!! |
| 22:48.05 | Supaplex | a sharp dagger will slice into any CAT5 :) |
| 22:48.15 | maquis | anyone here used eclim? |
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| 23:00.49 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: http://www.nessus.org/download/ |
| 23:00.50 | brac | [Tenable Network Security] |
| 23:01.09 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: thanks |
| 23:01.19 | levi | jsmith: Well, it means that objects used together are frequently stored together. |
| 23:02.15 | levi | jsmith: The purpose of the system is to create a mapping between objects in transient memory and persistent memory. Instead of swapping them in one object at a time, it does them a page of memory at a time. |
| 23:02.38 | levi | Wait, he left. :P |
| 23:03.06 | levi | tensai: They're hilarious. :) |
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| 23:39.20 | sargun-palm | hey |
| 23:39.37 | Supaplex | hey^3 |
| 23:39.39 | sargun-palm | has anyone in here messed with amazon S3? |
| 23:39.51 | Supaplex | Jayce^ maybe, not I |
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