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| 01:25.58 | elg | buttercake! |
| 01:39.27 | Sargun | elgcake! |
| 01:50.21 | Special1 | fruitcake! |
| 01:50.32 | Lakshmi | sargun |
| 01:50.33 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 01:50.34 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 01:50.45 | Lakshmi | answer your phone please |
| 01:55.43 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 01:57.45 | Lakshmi | sarguns gone |
| 01:57.51 | Lakshmi | but, hey nick125 |
| 01:59.32 | Sargun | a pic? |
| 02:00.33 | nick125 | yea |
| 02:01.06 | nick125 | unprogrammed PIC too. |
| 02:01.15 | Lakshmi | oh not as cool as a picture |
| 02:03.23 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:03.25 | Sargun | Why not |
| 02:03.29 | Sargun | an FPGA? |
| 02:08.23 | findlay | ~pic |
| 02:08.24 | ibot | hmm... pic is position independent code Personal Internet Communicator from AMD (http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_12264,00.html?redir=PC5001) |
| 02:08.32 | findlay | ~pie |
| 02:08.33 | ibot | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 02:11.55 | RyanE | I can't believe that ibot doesn't know about PICMicro. |
| 02:23.35 | nick125 | Sargun: they're too expensive |
| 02:27.03 | nick125 | A PIC10F is $1.05 and a FPGA is $8.90 |
| 02:33.04 | Sargun | uh |
| 02:33.05 | Sargun | yeah |
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| 02:34.20 | nick125_treo | damn resturaunt shorted the dressing |
| 02:34.32 | Sargun | that sucks |
| 02:34.34 | Sargun | get more |
| 02:34.57 | nick125_treo | we paid for 16, and they gave us 5. |
| 02:41.16 | nick125_treo | each LED have 4 pins |
| 02:41.16 | nick125_treo | :) |
| 02:46.52 | nick125_treo | *has |
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| 02:49.37 | nick125_treo | Sargun: having fun yet? |
| 02:49.47 | Sargun | haha |
| 02:50.43 | nick125_treo | oh and it better work too :p |
| 02:51.37 | nick125_treo | either soldier those SMDs or put together 50,000 blinking christmas trees. |
| 02:51.37 | nick125_treo | your choice |
| 02:54.47 | nick125_treo | I'd personally go for the SMDs myself.... |
| 03:04.48 | Sargun | heh |
| 03:05.04 | nick125 | I wish the arduino supported the ATTinys |
| 03:06.41 | nick125 | I heard that the ATTiny11 doesn't have enough room for C code. |
| 03:06.51 | nick125 | So you'd have to code it in ASM. |
| 03:07.35 | Sargun | hehe |
| 03:08.03 | nick125 | Other than that, the ATTiny would be awesome to work with. |
| 03:08.13 | nick125 | 6 I/O pins, cheaper than the ATMegas, etc. |
| 03:08.37 | Special1 | no room for C code? but wouldn't you just use a cross compiler? |
| 03:08.46 | Special1 | that doesn't make sense |
| 03:09.00 | nick125 | It only has 1K of EEPROM. |
| 03:09.10 | Special1 | I'd believe the claim that it doesn't implement a lot of basic standard libraries |
| 03:09.32 | nick125 | Well, you probably couldn't fit the compiled code |
| 03:10.36 | nick125 | And you couldn't get the Arduino bootloader *and* code on there. |
| 03:10.46 | nick125 | Since the bootloader takes 1K of EEPROM. |
| 03:11.05 | Special1 | sure, you couldn't fit many functions and callbacks, but you could still use simple portable c code if there was a limited compiler available |
| 03:11.14 | nick125 | d7 |
| 03:11.15 | nick125 | er |
| 03:11.57 | Special1 | bootloading would be a different problem |
| 03:12.36 | Special1 | you'd have to do some bootloading under any circumstances |
| 03:15.01 | Special1 | I think you would have a default jump space to start, jumping to a small amount of non-volatile code space, which you'd want to make efficient use of. |
| 03:22.54 | tensai | ugh, hallmark movies |
| 03:23.18 | nick125 | Special1: It's not a lot of space to do much with. |
| 03:30.20 | Special1 | which is why you would use it for simple applications. That doesn't preclude the use of C code. Even if you had to hand tweak the resulting binary |
| 03:51.18 | Sargun | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Q_A_BMC_s_William_Hurley_talks_up_open_source |
| 03:51.21 | Sargun | dig ti. |
| 03:55.04 | nick125 | I need a better soldering iron |
| 03:55.15 | nick125 | You know, one where the tip doesn't melt in 5 minutes of use |
| 04:17.24 | findlay | ~seen beandog |
| 04:17.28 | ibot | beandog <n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 6d 3h 12m 43s ago, saying: '750gb for $150'. |
| 04:17.49 | findlay | where is that rascal? |
| 04:43.34 | tensai | ~seen maquis |
| 04:43.36 | ibot | maquis <n=maquis@c-24-17-72-165.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 8h 51m 58s ago, saying: 'looks like it might be working better this time'. |
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| 05:21.57 | tristanbob_ | what format have you converted your CD collection into? FLAC, OGG, MP3? |
| 05:22.25 | vontrapp | ogg |
| 05:22.28 | vontrapp | flac if i had the room |
| 05:22.33 | vontrapp | screw mp3 |
| 05:23.36 | vontrapp | hmm, i want to validate a password field, but only if the password is being set |
| 05:36.21 | findlay | flac! |
| 05:36.58 | findlay | ogg is OK, but throw out all those other inferior formats |
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| 05:42.51 | ibot | ibot is currently on #bzflag (6d 8h 21m 11s) #kierra (6d 8h 21m 11s) #brlcad (6d 8h 21m 11s) #handhelds (6d 8h 21m 11s) #utah (6d 8h 21m 11s) #oe (6d 8h 21m 11s) #zaurus (6d 8h 21m 11s) #gllug (6d 8h 21m 11s) #pillbox (6d 8h 21m 11s) #handhelds-gpe (6d 8h 21m 11s) #openzaurus (6d ... |
| 05:43.13 | klys | ~quote orcl |
| 05:43.24 | klys | ~quote nok |
| 05:43.38 | klys | ~seen shadowwire |
| 05:43.39 | ibot | shadowwire <n=shadowwi@209-253-33-218.ip.mcleodusa.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 5h 31s ago, saying: 'Zoro!'. |
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| 05:58.09 | findlay | ~seen me |
| 05:58.10 | ibot | me <i=40eb4aa4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-f9102c74a454c3b2> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 18d 12h 37m 26s ago, saying: 'this is annoying'. |
| 05:58.21 | findlay | ~seen findlay |
| 05:58.22 | ibot | findlay is currently on #utah (1d 23h 34m 57s) #ubuntu-us-ut (1d 23h 34m 57s). Has said a total of 55 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen findlay '. |
| 05:58.37 | findlay | I'm an idler |
| 06:08.43 | klys | findlay: where have you been recently |
| 06:17.23 | findlay | klys: (6372.371,40.244421,111.660804) |
| 06:18.35 | klys | though this tells me only one location |
| 06:19.06 | findlay | that is the primary locus out of which my life has operated |
| 06:22.46 | klys | what's news |
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| 07:10.18 | findlay | ~news |
| 08:50.56 | Sargun | ~findlay |
| 08:50.59 | Sargun | ~findlay nuclear |
| 08:50.59 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps nuclear. |
| 08:51.07 | Sargun | ~findlay findlay |
| 08:51.07 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay. |
| 08:51.16 | Sargun | ~findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay |
| 08:51.16 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay findlay. |
| 09:07.39 | Lakshmi | sargn |
| 09:07.41 | Lakshmi | sargun! |
| 09:07.45 | Lakshmi | sargun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 14:36.05 | timinator | LOL |
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| 15:33.42 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 15:33.42 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking elg's head off |
| 15:34.25 | tensai | elg: you're buddy is looking for an asterisk contractor. how come you're not jumping at the opportunity? |
| 15:40.52 | elg | ~ignore tensai's buddy |
| 15:40.53 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, tensai's buddy!" |
| 15:41.47 | tensai | when he gets no PMs, you think he'll get the hint? |
| 15:42.11 | elg | no |
| 15:42.20 | tensai | that's what I fear as well |
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| 15:44.25 | goozbach | buhahahah! |
| 15:44.29 | goozbach | good morning |
| 15:44.37 | timinator | morning |
| 15:44.45 | elg | ~attack goozbach |
| 15:44.45 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing goozbach |
| 15:45.58 | tensai | o/~ How do I know where you come from? You could be spies! ~/o |
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| 15:54.52 | tensai | redbeard2: simple two tone sugar cookies win again |
| 15:55.25 | redbeard2 | tensai: explain |
| 15:56.11 | tensai | redbeard2: split the dough in half and colored on green. rolled them up in a spiral, cut and baked. they were warmly received by the church choir. |
| 15:56.17 | tensai | s/on/one/ |
| 15:56.55 | redbeard2 | tensai: debian cookies? |
| 15:57.33 | tensai | that would have been good, but no. the colors were all wrong. |
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| 16:40.55 | tristanbob | I think I will choose OGG format to rip my entire CD collection |
| 16:41.26 | tristanbob | which program is the easiest to use for mass ripping? with great ID3 support |
| 16:41.41 | goozbach | grip |
| 16:42.17 | tensai | I assume emacs has a mode for it |
| 16:42.35 | elg | abcde |
| 16:42.43 | elg | I heart abcde |
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| 16:43.33 | elg | http://lly.org/~rcw/abcde/page/ |
| 16:49.16 | tristanbob | does OGG have something like the ID3 tag? |
| 16:50.17 | tristanbob | I am looking at grip |
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| 16:55.17 | elg | abcde will autotag them from cddb (which you can edit) |
| 16:55.26 | elg | yes ogg supports tags. much more flexible than id3 |
| 16:57.53 | tristanbob | looks a little outdated 2004 |
| 17:03.17 | levi | I don't think ogg is a great choice for ripping CDs. Considering how cheap hd space is now, I'd go with a lossless codec and then transcode to whatever is most convenient for my portable player. |
| 17:03.45 | levi | Well, I guess ogg is fine if you use a lossless ogg, if there is one. |
| 17:03.58 | goozbach | yeah, rip to flac then transcode to ogg or mp3 as needed |
| 17:07.07 | tristanbob | hmmm - it looks like flac is around 55% compression ratio |
| 17:07.22 | tristanbob | that means it will take ~350 MB for each CD? |
| 17:07.44 | levi | I suppose your choice may also depend on how much music you have to encode and whether you're willing to buy another drive for it. |
| 17:08.39 | tristanbob | also, my main motivation is I am going to buy an OGG player - http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/7/ |
| 17:08.43 | brac | [COWON America] |
| 17:09.02 | tristanbob | so I think I want more compression - OGG will do that |
| 17:09.26 | levi | The advantage of encoding in mp3 is that it plays pretty much anywhere, so there's never a need to transcode. |
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| 17:12.14 | Yet | Hi all. |
| 17:12.42 | Shadowwire | -chat shadowwire |
| 17:12.42 | brac | shadowwire went |
| 17:12.54 | Shadowwire | Did not! |
| 17:13.19 | levi | tristanbob: Apparently, that player doesn't correctly read tags on ogg and flac files, at least according to a review I'm reading. |
| 17:13.37 | Shadowwire | Hey, anybody know why SATAII drives are not 10,000 rpm yet? |
| 17:13.46 | tristanbob | levi - that is not good - how else do you find the music you want to listen too? |
| 17:14.04 | tristanbob | link to that review? |
| 17:14.15 | levi | tristanbob: It's got a file/folder navigation mechanism as well as a tag-based one. |
| 17:14.27 | tristanbob | anyone have another recommendation for an OGG player |
| 17:14.38 | levi | http://iaudiophile.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.98 |
| 17:14.48 | tristanbob | levi - it would be cool if I could play based on genre |
| 17:15.08 | levi | I don't know if it has support for that. |
| 17:15.37 | elg | tristanbob: my samsung yp-mt6 plays ogg fine and has no trouble with tags |
| 17:15.47 | elg | it's a little older, but newer models in that line probably are fine too |
| 17:16.10 | tristanbob | I wonder if there is a firmware update that will fix the OGG tags... |
| 17:16.20 | elg | i have stuff I really care about (my organ music) ripped to flac, but most stuff ogg or mp3 |
| 17:16.35 | elg | i find it sufficient. esp. if you have the CDs - you already have a lossless version for transcoding |
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| 17:16.42 | elg | unless you're afraid the CDs are going to get ruined/lost |
| 17:17.51 | elg | the space savings to quality loss ratio is excellent for ogg or mp3. with flac you almost have to wonder if it's worth compressing at all. in the end you decide it is, but the space savings is much less dramatic |
| 17:17.57 | elg | plus with flac you can have tags :) |
| 17:18.19 | elg | (vs wav) |
| 17:18.23 | levi | tristanbob: The 'Firmware' menu item on their website isn't a link, so I'm guessing no. |
| 17:19.01 | tristanbob | yeah, I saw that |
| 17:19.51 | tristanbob | elg, yeah - I will always have my CDs, I just want to put them away in my basement :) |
| 17:21.32 | elg | if you're going to be using a player, then the music you like is going to be encoded in mp3 or ogg. transcoding takes time and you'll therefore not want to delete the oggs or mp3s, and so if you have flac also you just have wasted space, unless you want überfidelity when listening to the flacs on the desktop or something |
| 17:21.52 | elg | I do for my organ music. I don't for weird al |
| 17:22.00 | elg | YMMV :) |
| 17:26.07 | levi | It would be nice to have a music library GUI that would handle ripping, lossessly encoding, and tagging a bunch of CDs, then transcoding before syncing selected songs to a player. |
| 17:26.37 | findlay | sorry, Weird, but your music just isn't worth the high quality storage space on my hdd |
| 17:26.47 | elg | transcoding a few gigs worth of mp3 or ogg takes a LONG time |
| 17:27.08 | elg | i think you'd find it impractical unless perhaps your media player can hold your whole library |
| 17:28.01 | levi | Well, I could always just encode in Apple Lossless format and just throw those on my iPod. It'd resolve the problem where I have too much stuff on there to ever find anything to listen to. ;) |
| 17:30.52 | tensai | tristanbob: I use the Rockbox firmware on my Sansa and it plays Vorbis just fine, with tags even |
| 17:32.45 | tristanbob | tensai, cool - I will look into that - do you have a link? |
| 17:32.45 | tensai | rockbox.org |
| 17:33.26 | levi | Eventually the Cowon iAudio X7 will probably be supported by Rockbox, too. |
| 17:33.38 | tristanbob | levi, something like banshee? http://www.banshee-project.org/Main_Page |
| 17:34.50 | tristanbob | cdex works great on Windows systems, btw... http://cdexos.sourceforge.net |
| 17:36.21 | levi | Banshee looks pretty much like an iTunes clone. |
| 17:37.26 | levi | Doesn't seem to do any automatic transcoding. |
| 17:37.38 | levi | But maybe that's not such a great idea anyway. |
| 17:37.47 | levi | Maybe in the future when we've all got 20 cores. |
| 17:40.14 | levi | Wow, the screenshots for Rockbox on the Sansa look ugly. |
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| 17:49.32 | maquis | no you're not |
| 17:50.05 | maquis | stupid rain |
| 17:50.40 | maquis | i had to walk 2 blocks to get into the office, and everywhere that wasn't covered by my raincoat is soaked through :( |
| 17:51.34 | goozbach | it rained hard here last night |
| 17:51.42 | goozbach | good thing too, we're about out of water |
| 17:52.22 | sontek | levi: the sansa is amazing =) |
| 17:54.11 | sontek | levi: and banshee does auto transcoding when working with DAP devices |
| 17:55.23 | levi | Cool. |
| 17:55.52 | levi | sontek: Do you use the default sansa firmware or rockbox? |
| 17:56.53 | sontek | levi: default, I use rockbox on my ipod though |
| 17:57.22 | levi | I use the default firmware on my ipod and I like it. :) |
| 17:57.37 | sontek | levi: I'm a mono developer, so I had to support the sansa firmware ;) |
| 17:58.02 | levi | My ipods, I should say. I have a 1st gen, a 2nd gen nano, and a shuffle. |
| 17:58.39 | levi | sontek: BTW, I finally got my C# & ADO.NET project figured out. |
| 17:59.15 | sontek | levi: and now you are madly in love with C#? :D |
| 17:59.32 | levi | findlay: Did you hear about Deutsche Grammophon opening their own DRM-free mp3 music store? |
| 18:00.20 | levi | sontek: Um, no. I feel about the same about it, which is mildly indifferent. :) |
| 18:00.38 | levi | Seems like a pretty decent language for the masses brainwashed by C, C++, and Java culture. ;) |
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| 18:01.05 | sontek | levi: haha, thats because you aren't using 3.5 =) C# 3.5 has type inference and lambda expressions |
| 18:01.22 | sontek | levi: and extension methods |
| 18:01.30 | levi | What are extension methods? |
| 18:01.52 | levi | Or, I could just use F#. :P |
| 18:02.09 | sontek | levi: they allow you to extend base types, so you can say method explode goes to string |
| 18:02.18 | sontek | well, extend any type, not just base types |
| 18:02.24 | levi | Ahh, interesting. |
| 18:02.30 | sontek | so you can basically dynamically add methods to types if you want |
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| 18:02.37 | levi | How's the dispatch system work for that? |
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| 18:03.55 | levi | Extension methods sound like Ruby envy to me. ;) |
| 18:04.21 | tristanbob | sontek, loves the sansa as well? which one do you have? do you use ogg? |
| 18:04.44 | sontek | tristanbob: http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1249)-SanDisk_Sansa_Connect_MP3_Player.aspx |
| 18:04.49 | sontek | tristanbob: thats the one I have |
| 18:05.18 | sontek | levi: Ruby is far from the first language to do that ;) |
| 18:05.56 | sontek | tristanbob: I don't use ogg, but I don't think it has ogg support, I guess I could check |
| 18:07.04 | levi | sontek: Yeah, I know, but it's the one with the most buzz right now. |
| 18:07.14 | tensai | I have a sansa e250 and the default firmware definitely didn't have ogg support |
| 18:07.39 | tensai | it took me a while to figure out why only half my music was showing up |
| 18:08.08 | levi | Heh, silly ogg people. |
| 18:08.21 | sontek | yeah, the reason I bought the sansa connect was because they embed mono, but it does have a really good interface anyways |
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| 18:13.30 | findlay | levi: no, but that sounds awesome |
| 18:15.37 | findlay | today, findlay meets, "the boss" |
| 18:16.40 | levi | You're meeting Bruce Springsteen?! |
| 18:17.09 | findlay | nope, that's not his name |
| 18:22.52 | findlay | but "the boss" always seems to want to take control over all of my responsibilities |
| 18:23.10 | findlay | in the most annoying manner possible |
| 18:23.30 | levi | Must not be Bruce, because he just plays music and stuff. |
| 18:23.42 | findlay | too bad for me then |
| 18:23.44 | findlay | :( |
| 18:28.39 | findlay | I guess I can still take comfort in being the only command line guru here where nobody else can interfere |
| 18:28.58 | findlay | the CLI is strangely comforting like that generally |
| 18:32.41 | tensai | ~lart linksys |
| 18:32.41 | ibot | eats linksys's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 18:32.50 | levi | findlay: You know, Microsoft has coopted your favorite acronym. CLI = Common Language Infrastructure. |
| 18:32.55 | tensai | they keep changing their product line |
| 18:33.23 | levi | Or something like that, anyway. |
| 18:33.39 | dataw0lf | it's CLR, I thought. |
| 18:33.49 | dataw0lf | Common Language Runtime. |
| 18:33.51 | levi | CLR is just the runtime. |
| 18:34.20 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure |
| 18:34.43 | findlay | levi: well at least CLI is fairly removed from Microsoft's front-end GUI and user programs of dislike :) |
| 18:39.16 | goozbach | when was the last time YOU shipped five pallets worth of your work? |
| 18:40.01 | levi | goozbach: Depends on how loosely you define 'my work'. If it's five pallets worth of stuff I contributed to... well, a few months, I think. |
| 18:43.56 | goozbach | I was just marveling at Howard Taylor's schlock book |
| 18:44.16 | goozbach | it's entirely "his work" and he's got five or six pallets worth of them |
| 18:46.06 | levi | Well, not entirely. I think the people at the printing press might have had something to do with most of the bulk of the physical product. :) |
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| 19:05.48 | levi | Hmm, I wonder if this TortoiseHg thing is anything like TortoiseSVN. The website doesn't look too encouraging. |
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| 19:23.25 | tensai | ~crush jsmith |
| 19:23.26 | ibot | ACTION crushes jsmith with a full height scsi disk |
| 19:26.27 | jsmith | tensai: Thanks... |
| 19:33.28 | levi | This looks interesting: http://code.google.com/p/hydraproject/ |
| 19:33.36 | levi | (no, it's not by smorrey) ;) |
| 19:35.03 | tensai | <accent type="scottish">well then it's crap</accent> |
| 19:35.26 | levi | I have some cool Scottish neighbors. |
| 19:40.26 | tensai | redbeard2: you said you made the ribs, but didn't mention how they turned out |
| 19:41.33 | redbeard2 | tensai: i keep meaning to post the results, but i don't have my ingredient list with me. it's on the whiteboard in the kitchen at home, and i'm in san francisco |
| 19:41.45 | redbeard2 | i can tell you that they were good tho, if a little spicy |
| 19:41.55 | tensai | redbeard2: ok, I can wait |
| 19:42.09 | tensai | redbeard2: spicy for you, or spicy for mortals? |
| 19:42.50 | redbeard2 | tensai: spicy for me. i was sweating. |
| 19:42.57 | redbeard2 | mere mortals would turn to ash. |
| 19:43.28 | redbeard2 | in retrospect, maybe 2 tsp each of ancho and chipotle was a little much for just one rack of ribs |
| 19:46.44 | levi | A little bit of Windows insanity: http://www.commonsense4commonpeople.net/2007/12/how-adding-more.html |
| 19:52.10 | unum | a few weeks backs I asked about c++(or c) libraries for postgresql |
| 19:52.24 | unum | someone mentioned a package and I forgot to write it down |
| 19:53.29 | unum | anyone know what it is? |
| 19:54.48 | unum | s/package/set up libraries |
| 19:56.21 | jsmith | unum: What type of libraries you looking for? |
| 19:56.42 | jsmith | unum: Just the postgresql C libraries for writing your own C program that interacts with PostgreSQL? |
| 19:58.00 | levi | Don't they come with postgresql? |
| 19:59.06 | unum | jsmith: yes |
| 19:59.10 | unum | levi: probably |
| 19:59.14 | unum | are there better ones |
| 20:02.00 | redbeard2 | when i left the hotel this morning, another dude with a backpack got on the elevator with me, and my first thought was to wonder if he was one of my students. he just had that kind of look, you know? |
| 20:02.30 | redbeard2 | he's not one of my students, but i just saw him in the training center lobby. either he's an instructor or he's somebody else's student |
| 20:02.53 | levi | Heh. Funny how you can tell those things. |
| 20:05.23 | redbeard2 | it's true. i noticed something else with somebody else here too. |
| 20:05.41 | redbeard2 | there was a guy talking to the lady at the front desk, and my gaydar was going crazy |
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| 20:06.12 | levi | . o O ( I thought only gay people had 'gaydar' ) |
| 20:06.48 | redbeard2 | levi: 1) he was very effiminate and 2) i'm in san francisco, a self-proclaimed gay capitol |
| 20:07.27 | redbeard2 | s/effim/effem/ |
| 20:08.34 | levi | Yeah, I spent several months of my mission in a very gay portion of San Diego. |
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| 20:26.23 | levi | Hmm, listening to this talk on Clojure makes me far more excited about it than when I just heard it was 'Lisp on JVM'. |
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| 20:37.51 | rsimpkins | I have zero gaydar. |
| 20:39.40 | rsimpkins | I was in this guys home with my comp, the guy got up to answer the phone, my comp looked at me and said we should probably leave - and why don't I just shut up all ready. I was like, what? Then he pointed to the wall where the picture of the nude man was and said HE IS GAY, AND IS HITTING ON US! Doh. :) |
| 20:40.02 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:40.12 | rsimpkins | I had no clue what was going on. |
| 20:40.57 | levi | It was always interesting visiting the homes of gay members. |
| 20:41.01 | elg | are you saying ibot is gay? |
| 20:42.30 | rsimpkins | I think ibot is not unisex, but multisex, therefore can't really be considerd homosexual, but multisexual - depending on which mode ibot is in. |
| 20:45.18 | rsimpkins | Sometimes I wish there was a global delete button for IRC and e-mail. |
| 20:45.38 | levi | What would a 'global delete' button do? |
| 20:46.21 | rsimpkins | Out of sight - out of mind. |
| 20:50.38 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:51.05 | levi | You'd have to add google, wikipedia, slashdot, digg, reddit, etc... |
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| 21:05.12 | Tene | Looks like plumhead, the PHP implementation for Parrot, is getting some attention again. |
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| 21:16.25 | Lakshmi | i know |
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| 22:21.39 | elg | what's an obscure weight measurement? |
| 22:22.59 | levi | slug |
| 22:23.38 | levi | (I guess that's mass, not weight, if it makes a difference in this context) |
| 22:23.43 | vontrapp | how much water drips off of you fresh from the shower |
| 22:24.00 | vontrapp | (or how much heavier your towell is after you dry) |
| 22:26.10 | levi | Also: grain, dram, nail, clove, stone, pennyweight, mark, scruple |
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| 22:28.42 | levi | google can't convert to nail, clove, mark, or scruple, though. |
| 22:31.19 | Supaplex | fungus: yo! |
| 22:31.45 | fungus | xelpapus: !oy |
| 22:31.53 | Supaplex | fungus: get my memoserv? |
| 22:32.32 | fungus | checking |
| 22:32.34 | fungus | ys |
| 22:33.00 | Supaplex | :P it's only 1gb |
| 22:33.05 | Supaplex | plenty for my needs |
| 22:33.50 | fungus | I guess you can't beat free |
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| 23:08.57 | Lakshmi | gah why is nothing working! |
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| 23:25.46 | brasto | mail gurus: I got a non-delivery notice from my server: creataview.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) |
| 23:25.59 | brasto | I believe this came from using a web form on a web page... |
| 23:26.11 | brasto | I have the virtmap in place for that email address |
| 23:26.17 | brasto | any ideas? |
| 23:27.30 | fungus | your server detects that it is the primary MX record, but it's config says it isn't the final destination for mail. |
| 23:27.33 | brasto | the domain is also in /etc/mail/local-host-names |
| 23:28.26 | brasto | fungus: isn't the local-host-names entry the config that you are talking about? |
| 23:29.23 | brasto | Do I need a generics table entry I need |
| 23:29.44 | brasto | s/entry I need/entry/ |
| 23:33.19 | dataw0lf | has anyone else seen the Jared Massey taser video / article? I just read / watched it, was hoping for discussion. |
| 23:34.17 | dataw0lf | http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_7609258 |
| 23:34.51 | dataw0lf | brasto: nah, this guy got pulled over for a speeding ticket with his pregnant wife and kid in the car. |
| 23:35.12 | dataw0lf | argued with the cop, went back to his minivan after being pulled out saying "what the heck is wrong with you?" and the cop just tasered him. |
| 23:35.54 | dataw0lf | thaddeusq: I'll have to check your post out. |
| 23:36.10 | dataw0lf | Personally, I don't see a taser as being the replacement for anything but lethal force. |
| 23:36.31 | thaddeusq | dataw0lf: I agree. That's basically what I mentioned on my blog |
| 23:36.33 | dataw0lf | and Mr. Massey, although he seemed upset, never seemed a threat to the police officer in any way. |
| 23:37.00 | dataw0lf | personally I wouldn't have stuck my hand in my pants, but I've been trained in force protection and that wasn't a threatening "I'm going for a weapon" sort of hand stick. |
| 23:37.07 | thaddeusq | dataw0lf: with a little background as well since I was a member of the Woods Cross City council when we purchased tasers for our officers. |
| 23:37.17 | dataw0lf | thaddeusq: Ah, very cool. |
| 23:37.36 | dataw0lf | I think tasers are great. But the fact that police officers seem to use them just to get you to comply with their directives is a little offputting. |
| 23:37.52 | thaddeusq | dataw0lf: it seems to me that too many officers use them instead of pepper spray. |
| 23:38.26 | dataw0lf | thaddeusq: Well I think that the type of person who goes to apply to be a police officer 90% of the time SHOULDN'T be a police officer, but that's neither here nor there. |
| 23:38.50 | brasto | I know a police man who was killed because a man who he pulled over drew a gun and fired. A policeman must act fast. I back up the police man |
| 23:39.24 | dataw0lf | blindly backing up a police officer's actions isn't the solution, either. |
| 23:39.32 | thaddeusq | brasto: The trooper could have defused the situation long before it ever got to that point. |
| 23:40.03 | dataw0lf | brasto: I can tell you that our rules of engagement in IRAQ were more stringent than a police officer's. |
| 23:40.53 | dataw0lf | the man put his hand in his pocket halfway with his back turned to the police officer. |
| 23:40.56 | thaddeusq | dataw0lf: Our officers are in far more danger in Eastern Utah, then in Iraq! |
| 23:40.56 | dataw0lf | There was absolutely no threat. |
| 23:41.24 | thaddeusq | dataw0lf: That was obviously said with my tongue firmly in my cheek. |
| 23:41.30 | dataw0lf | "HE COULD BE CARRYING A WEAPON!" Shouldn't be a blanket excuse for police officers. |
| 23:42.06 | brasto | tell that to the young family left fatherless in Lehi because a man did have a weapon, and killed a police officer. He left behind a baby. |
| 23:42.07 | dataw0lf | If you're a generally logical person, you know that guy's body language, his passengers, and the way he put his hand into his pocket, don't indicate that he means to fire upon you with any sort of weapon. |
| 23:42.36 | dataw0lf | brasto: I'd like to see the guy and the video behind that shooting. |
| 23:42.47 | dataw0lf | it's pretty easy to tell if a guy poses a threat to you. |
| 23:43.01 | dataw0lf | either way, you have the taser directed at them, the guy didn't yank his hand out of his pocket |
| 23:43.06 | thaddeusq | Even the official investigation by the UHP concluded the officer should have defused the situation long before he ever told Mr. Massey to exit the vehicle. |
| 23:43.48 | thaddeusq | s/officer/trooper/g |
| 23:43.58 | dataw0lf | I know that I never shot anyone in Iraq if they weren't holding a weapon directed at another soldier. |
| 23:44.10 | dataw0lf | God knows I felt like it during searches at checkpoints, they can look pretty suspicious. |
| 23:44.24 | brasto | the officer should not wait for the man to pull his hand out of his pocket. but I see your points as well. Still, for a dork that does not respect the law or give an officer the respect he deserves, maybe he should get tasered a couple more times. |
| 23:44.50 | dataw0lf | the fact that you have a weapon, though, PLUS the fact that you're trained in that weapon, PLUS the fact that you have the weapon pointed at the target means that you don't have to fire for a longtime in relation to "reactionary" situations. |
| 23:45.01 | thaddeusq | brasto: respect is a two way street. IMNHO, the trooper didn't show any respect from the get go. |
| 23:45.09 | dataw0lf | thaddeusq: definitely. |
| 23:47.40 | dataw0lf | also, the fact that the officer gave him a second zap is ridiculous. |
| 23:48.00 | dataw0lf | and then commenting to another officer that "he took a ride with the taser" |
| 23:48.03 | elg | hear hear to all dataw0lf and thad said |
| 23:48.11 | dataw0lf | exactly the sort of people I DON'T want as police officers. |
| 23:48.18 | dataw0lf | and I have a huge respect for their profession. |
| 23:48.20 | brasto | second zap was overboard |
| 23:53.46 | dataw0lf | also, I've been tased before, and it's the most painful experience I've ever encountered besides a spinal tap. Maybe every officer should be tased just to see what it's like. |
| 23:53.59 | dataw0lf | I didn't get tased by an officer, I got tased in the military when we were kidding around, btw. |
| 23:55.33 | tensai | I know officers have to be pepper sprayed before they can use it. I would have figured tasers were the same. |
| 23:55.42 | brasto | except for the second zap, I'm completely with the officer. I've watched the video now. The officer, did speak strongly, but it was all called for because of the belligerent attitude of the offender. Yes it was two ways, but the officer was under control, and the offender was not. |
| 23:56.12 | brasto | I never saw the officer really lose his temper. |
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| 23:56.48 | Lakshmi | today is a blah day |
| 23:57.02 | dataw0lf | just because one does not see an officer lose his temper does not mean that he can tase someone. |
| 23:57.09 | dataw0lf | The whole point of a taser is a replacement to lethal force. |
| 23:57.17 | dataw0lf | It is NOT FOR COMPLIANCE. |
| 23:57.20 | dataw0lf | Jeepers. |
| 23:58.21 | dataw0lf | he could've grabbed that guy easily. If the guy fights, you pin him. Law enforcement officers are trained in this. |
| 23:59.02 | brasto | true, dataw0lf. |
| 23:59.58 | dataw0lf | but of course nerds who were picked on in high school flock to the police officer banner and then say smarmy comments like "he had to ride the taser". The officer enjoyed the whole experience. Fire him, replace. Easy enough. Apparently he didn't take to training well enough. |