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| 00:19.13 | Supaplex | ~selinux++ |
| 00:19.57 | nick125_treo | ~hardened-- |
| 00:22.13 | nick125_treo | hardened is a pain in the rear. |
| 00:22.55 | nick125_treo | I had a mysql permissions error, and it showed as a memory access error in strace |
| 00:24.51 | Supaplex | I remember my first double take with selinux. I assumed it was still in permissive mode after a kernel upgrade. (not a box I manage) after reboot the apache error log inferred root didn't have access to a clearly 0755 directory with 0644 files. Took me a minute to catch on :) |
| 00:25.30 | Supaplex | then I peeked at the audit log, then the truckload of DUH hit me. |
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| 01:40.15 | findlay | hello |
| 01:41.33 | tensai | ~bonk findlay |
| 01:41.36 | ibot | ACTION bonks findlay over the head |
| 01:42.28 | linuxalien | hi findlay |
| 01:43.24 | findlay | hello linuxalien |
| 01:44.02 | linuxalien | What's cookin? |
| 01:44.31 | findlay | just some cereal |
| 01:44.53 | linuxalien | Cereal can be good. I've gotten up at midnight or 1am just to have cereal |
| 01:45.19 | findlay | well, I've not eaten hardly anything yet today |
| 01:45.42 | linuxalien | Oh, that could drain ya. Cereal will definitely help |
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| 01:59.33 | findlay | some dude at work keeps unplugging the ethernet cable |
| 01:59.38 | findlay | to my box |
| 01:59.50 | linuxalien | Oh wow |
| 02:00.04 | linuxalien | Shoot him with an airzooka |
| 02:00.04 | findlay | this is bad because my computer stores the daily company backups |
| 02:00.24 | findlay | and can't do any backups when it's not connected |
| 02:00.47 | linuxalien | That would bug me to death |
| 02:01.07 | findlay | yeah, looks like I'll have to leave a postit tomorrow |
| 02:01.14 | linuxalien | hehehe |
| 02:01.20 | linuxalien | Tell him - obey or die! |
| 02:01.21 | linuxalien | ;) |
| 02:01.28 | findlay | heh |
| 02:03.54 | linuxalien | And tape a pic of one of those USB nerf missile launchers. He'll remember...and chuckle |
| 02:18.33 | elg | or one of those automated paintball guns |
| 02:22.28 | linuxalien | Now that would be cool - with a motion sensor? |
| 02:29.57 | elg | yeah, someone posted a link the other day |
| 02:30.02 | elg | for protecting your hous |
| 02:34.55 | linuxalien | Wow nice haha |
| 02:34.58 | linuxalien | that would be fun to use |
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| 02:37.01 | levi | My daughter is impossible now that my mother has left. |
| 02:37.26 | sontek | that means you don't beat her enough |
| 02:37.36 | levi | Apparently. |
| 02:37.58 | sontek | :D |
| 02:38.30 | levi | She seems to think I'm pretty mean, though. |
| 02:38.31 | linuxalien | Make her learn calculus. That'll teach her! |
| 02:42.49 | levi | Poor girl... so mistreated... has to go to bed at her bedtime. |
| 02:43.19 | linuxalien | :) hehe |
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| 02:46.25 | bytheway | anybody here use mythtv? |
| 02:50.08 | levi | Yup. |
| 02:51.08 | bytheway | how stable is it? I read the server side is more stable than the front end... |
| 02:51.24 | bytheway | does it nead a lot of maintenance? |
| 02:53.03 | levi | It's reasonably stable, but I've had the backend crash occasionally. |
| 02:54.03 | bytheway | looking into maybe building a box |
| 02:54.32 | levi | I like mine. My wife likes it too. |
| 02:54.42 | levi | If you're going to do HD, don't skimp on the processor. |
| 03:01.15 | vontrapp | i think it's built at least partly on myth, though |
| 03:02.06 | vontrapp | myth was good for me when i used it, but now what i really need is just something to watch video files on the tv with |
| 03:02.07 | levi | I promised my wife I'd make a DVR for her since we were giving up cable TV. |
| 03:02.12 | vontrapp | and myth wasn't too good at that |
| 03:02.21 | vontrapp | since now i get all my tv from bitme |
| 03:02.39 | vontrapp | what are you going to dvr without cable? |
| 03:03.15 | vontrapp | hd air? |
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| 03:03.41 | vontrapp | that spaceman song is so weird |
| 03:03.58 | vontrapp | and what's this second coming will begin with a baby's cry nonsense? |
| 03:04.54 | mrpull-_ | vontrapp: it is because one of my babies is ALWAYS crying |
| 03:05.10 | vontrapp | oh, course |
| 03:05.33 | vontrapp | i guess you don't beat your babies enough, either |
| 03:06.34 | bytheway | we're thinking of giving up cable as well |
| 03:06.41 | bytheway | and yeah, the dvr would be for HD air |
| 03:06.59 | levi | I've got an AMD dual-core processor now, and it works pretty well. |
| 03:07.22 | bytheway | what hd interface are you using? the pchdtv card? |
| 03:07.26 | vontrapp | waiting for the memory and case now |
| 03:07.40 | levi | I think it was in the $60-$70 range, so not super-expensive. |
| 03:07.47 | levi | I have the hdhomerun. |
| 03:07.59 | vontrapp | levi: the proc? |
| 03:08.04 | levi | vontrapp: Yeah. |
| 03:08.12 | bytheway | the hdhomerun looks interesting to me |
| 03:08.16 | bytheway | lot cheaper for the 2 tuners |
| 03:08.23 | levi | The hdhomerun is cool because you don't have to worry about kernel drivers and stuff. |
| 03:08.27 | bytheway | yeah |
| 03:08.29 | vontrapp | mine was 90, but i got a deal with the motherboard included |
| 03:09.16 | vontrapp | why no kernel drivers? does it do something *gasp* standard? |
| 03:09.18 | bytheway | so mythtv doesn't do the bitorrent tv stuff very well? |
| 03:09.37 | vontrapp | not last i checked, which was about a year ago, to be fair |
| 03:09.57 | levi | bytheway: It's got a video player that plays them just fine if you download them manually and stick them in a directory. |
| 03:10.10 | vontrapp | it's just the browsing interface for the non-bitme files that i didn't like |
| 03:10.25 | vontrapp | er, the non-mythtv |
| 03:10.26 | vontrapp | sorry |
| 03:10.37 | levi | vontrapp: Well, it has an open source control program, and then it blasts mpeg streams in a format that VLC understands. |
| 03:10.55 | bytheway | over ethernet, right? |
| 03:11.13 | vontrapp | levi: again, it's how you browse/choose the files i didn't like |
| 03:11.14 | levi | vontrapp: So, I'm not sure how much of it is standardized, but it's all open. |
| 03:11.42 | vontrapp | i don't want to write a frontend for something that already has a frontend that i don't like |
| 03:11.43 | levi | vontrapp: I'm talking about the hdhomerun again... |
| 03:11.51 | vontrapp | i'll just try something different and see if the frontend is better |
| 03:11.59 | vontrapp | linux mce looks like it is better ;) |
| 03:12.07 | bytheway | I think linux mce just uses mythv for all the video stuff it does |
| 03:12.09 | vontrapp | levi: oops, heh |
| 03:12.46 | vontrapp | bytheway: yeah, i think so, but it looks like a better frontend |
| 03:13.04 | bytheway | might just be a better plugin or something |
| 03:13.34 | vontrapp | one thing that looks really cool is it says it will detect bluetooth phones and upload a control program to them |
| 03:13.58 | vontrapp | can't find the remote? well, maybe you can at least find you phone |
| 03:16.02 | bytheway | does the IR receiver work well on the hdhomerun? |
| 03:17.02 | levi | I haven't used it, since my case has a built-in receiver and remote. |
| 03:17.13 | bytheway | aah, what case did you use? |
| 03:17.25 | levi | Some 'ion' case or something that was cheap. |
| 03:17.35 | bytheway | an htpc case, though? |
| 03:19.54 | levi | Yeah. |
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| 03:24.39 | levi | It's this case: http://www.eaglebit.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EB-440-00035&Click=627 |
| 03:24.42 | brac | [EagleBit.com - Ion EC2 Home Entertainment Center Desktop Case w/Blue LCD & 450W Power Supply (Silver)] |
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| 03:35.22 | levi | It's okay-looking but big. And the remote actually registers as two usb keyboards, which required some interesting lirc configuration to set up. |
| 03:35.30 | levi | And the power supply in it was crap. |
| 03:35.46 | levi | Had to replace it with a nice stable one, because the system stopped booting. |
| 03:36.00 | levi | So, even if you could find it, I wouldn't really recommend it. |
| 03:36.05 | levi | At least I got it cheap. :) |
| 03:36.20 | bytheway | I just hadn't noticed a case with IR |
| 03:36.30 | bytheway | but I'm sure there's others out there |
| 03:36.37 | levi | Yeah. |
| 03:36.49 | levi | HTPC cases tend to be pretty expensive, though. |
| 03:37.32 | bytheway | yeah, I've been looking at some |
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| 03:49.14 | levi | Ahh, blessed silence. No more crying babies. |
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| 07:13.52 | findlay | ~cry |
| 07:13.53 | ibot | ACTION cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. |
| 07:15.38 | Lakshmi | yeah |
| 07:16.01 | Lakshmi | why are u crying? |
| 07:16.18 | findlay | because I'm sad |
| 07:19.15 | Lakshmi | why are u sad? |
| 07:26.32 | findlay | because she left |
| 07:26.35 | findlay | :( |
| 07:26.38 | findlay | ... |
| 07:26.40 | findlay | :) |
| 07:27.51 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 07:28.08 | fozzmoo | Why *are* you sad, findlay? |
| 07:28.55 | findlay | I'm not |
| 07:29.05 | findlay | I just want to get ibot to cry for levi |
| 07:29.20 | fozzmoo | why? |
| 07:29.58 | findlay | because levi needs more crying in his life |
| 07:30.07 | findlay | < levi> Ahh, blessed silence. No more crying babies. |
| 07:30.23 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 07:31.34 | findlay | ~seen beandog |
| 07:31.36 | ibot | beandog <n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 3d 6h 26m 51s ago, saying: '750gb for $150'. |
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| 08:52.56 | brac | [~ |
| 08:52.56 | brac | ~say Good day for a change of scene. Repaper the bedroom wall. |
| 08:52.57 | ibot | Good day for a change of scene. Repaper the bedroom wall. |
| 08:52.57 | brac | ~] |
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| 09:20.53 | Sargun | Uh, no. |
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| 10:17.40 | bonez44 | anyone up at this hour? |
| 10:18.09 | Supaplex | I hear bonez44 is up |
| 10:18.17 | Supaplex | I'm heading to bed :) |
| 10:18.52 | bonez44 | ;) I SHOULD be fast asleep in bed..... |
| 10:58.38 | Supaplex | n'nite *thud* |
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| 13:13.31 | herlo | ~onjoin herlo |
| 13:17.44 | herlo | ~onjoin -herlo |
| 13:17.44 | ibot | ok, herlo |
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| 14:10.22 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVHGy9XEF9I |
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| 15:36.10 | elg | a bot once bit my brother |
| 15:37.05 | ^Migs^ | yet another bot turned evil |
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| 15:42.33 | elg | had to be put down |
| 15:55.03 | goozbach | -chat about goozbach got |
| 15:55.04 | brac | goozbach got |
| 15:55.11 | goozbach | -chat about goozbach married |
| 15:55.12 | brac | goozbach married |
| 15:55.16 | goozbach | -chat |
| 15:55.17 | brac | trust me, I think windows sqlite is too little too kernel hackerish. too many students didn't want anything to connect to MSSQL. |
| 15:55.28 | goozbach | -chat goozbach |
| 15:55.28 | brac | goozbach had the concept of 4 schools there that command that you won't have to get the opportunity to give me your resume? |
| 15:55.39 | goozbach | -chat married |
| 15:55.40 | brac | married is |
| 15:55.45 | goozbach | bah |
| 15:55.50 | goozbach | -chat bah |
| 15:55.50 | brac | bah had |
| 15:57.30 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/uninsured_man_hopes_his |
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| 16:06.28 | elg | married is goozbach |
| 16:06.31 | elg | -chat married |
| 16:06.31 | brac | married did |
| 16:06.33 | elg | -chat married |
| 16:06.33 | brac | married was a sysadmin job. |
| 16:06.36 | elg | -chat married |
| 16:06.36 | brac | married is goozbach |
| 16:06.43 | elg | is goozbach married? |
| 16:06.45 | elg | -chat married |
| 16:06.47 | brac | married is goozbach married? |
| 16:07.32 | herlo | brac: yes he is |
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| 16:34.49 | shadowwire | Hello to people all you |
| 16:35.25 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 16:35.25 | brac | maquis is looking forward to reading a number of ways you could hold someone down here. |
| 16:36.38 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 16:36.39 | brac | maquis was close.... |
| 16:36.40 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 16:36.40 | brac | maquis had |
| 16:36.42 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 16:36.42 | brac | maquis is char-broiled... |
| 16:36.59 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 16:37.00 | brac | maquis is referring to doesn't even work? |
| 16:37.10 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 16:37.10 | brac | maquis is apparently popular among engineering types doing simulations |
| 16:37.16 | maquis | sweet! |
| 16:37.25 | shadowwire | cool. |
| 16:37.25 | Tene | -chat tene |
| 16:37.26 | brac | tene did |
| 16:37.27 | Tene | -chat tene |
| 16:37.27 | brac | tene did |
| 16:37.28 | Tene | -chat tene |
| 16:37.29 | brac | tene is currently the most common microkernels out there that there minivan... |
| 16:37.31 | maquis | -chat shadowwire |
| 16:37.31 | brac | shadowwire is currently on #utah and you have been some discussion - not the cell |
| 16:37.51 | shadowwire | -chat shadowwire |
| 16:37.52 | brac | shadowwire is yet |
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| 16:38.30 | shadowwire | -yet |
| 16:40.02 | Shadowwire | -chat shadowwire |
| 16:40.02 | brac | shadowwire did |
| 16:40.08 | Shadowwire | Did not! |
| 16:40.58 | Shadowwire | What would you consider the worst computer virus ever? |
| 16:41.07 | tensai | windows |
| 16:42.53 | ^Migs^ | omg |
| 16:42.55 | ^Migs^ | this is so gross: http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags-dont-work-at-0-gs.html |
| 16:42.59 | brac | [Barf Bags Dont Work at 0 Gs Video] |
| 16:45.04 | elg | you have to wonder how airsick chick got talked into going on an acrobatic ride in a small plane in the first place |
| 16:45.36 | Shadowwire | That sucks to be her. |
| 16:45.39 | elg | i know lots of people who don't get airsick that would take a lot of convincing to get into a small plane even for a normal ride |
| 16:48.56 | Shadowwire | I love stuff like that, as long as there isnt somone who might barf with me. |
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| 16:51.18 | Shadowwire | -chat maquis |
| 16:51.18 | brac | maquis was about the fire |
| 16:51.30 | Shadowwire | The fire you say? |
| 17:04.15 | mrpull | I swear I have read that "nerd handbook" blog post that everyone is linking to a long time ago... |
| 17:04.53 | Tene | Me too! |
| 17:04.57 | Shadowwire | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.neatorama.com/images/2007-01/scarriest-car-accident.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.neatorama.com/2007/01/11/&h=333&w=500&sz=51&hl=en&start=8&um=1&tbnid=IlPAiC_ZFbXZtM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev= |
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| 17:06.43 | brac | get back in february is still in school, I have to isntall the gnome browser now |
| 17:07.51 | levi | Good morning. |
| 17:08.42 | mrpull | I am googling around a bit and can't find any mention of some of the key terms before this month |
| 17:09.11 | mrpull | but it was odd how I knew the hole post before I read it |
| 17:09.56 | mrpull | maybe it was the similarities to the hacker FAQ? http://www.seebs.net/faqs/hacker.html |
| 17:10.11 | mrpull | Tene: so you think you'd seen it before too? |
| 17:10.45 | Tene | mrpull: I *have* seen it before. I have an email with the link in it in one of my mailboxes from about a month ago. |
| 17:12.42 | mrpull | this rands guy sure is getting credit for it |
| 17:15.15 | elg | it's not like they're secret principles |
| 17:15.58 | elg | i've read pieces similar to it before. or are you saying you've read those words before? |
| 17:17.03 | mrpull | I was suspecting full on plagiarism... but it could be a very close resemblance to another article with a common theme |
| 17:17.20 | mrpull | not like it matters |
| 17:17.33 | mrpull | but it was an odd déjà vu moment |
| 17:17.43 | elg | i thought the writing style was similar to his other posts that I clicked into |
| 17:22.13 | Tene | mrpull: specifically, I was saying that I've read that same article at that same site. |
| 17:22.29 | Tene | not that I've read it elsewhere, just that I've been to that site before. |
| 17:23.38 | mrpull | ah... I'm saying I read a very similar article in years past |
| 17:24.55 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/funny-pictures-ymca-cat.jpg |
| 17:24.57 | findlay-w | well, that's it |
| 17:25.03 | findlay-w | good bye for now |
| 17:25.35 | findlay | hello |
| 17:25.46 | elg | that's the dumbest lolcat i've ever seen |
| 17:25.56 | elg | back to work slacker |
| 17:26.19 | ^Migs^ | Wrong. |
| 17:26.40 | ^Migs^ | It's at least a 7/10 |
| 17:26.54 | elg | maybe it's a 2 |
| 17:29.47 | ^Migs^ | I might go as low as 6 |
| 17:30.02 | ^Migs^ | I think you're forgetting I'm an authority on humor |
| 17:31.06 | maquis | i've read a nerd handbook before, but it was slightly different |
| 17:33.49 | levi | Didn't ESR write one? |
| 17:35.34 | levi | I'm pretty sure the Rands one is original to him, though. |
| 17:39.16 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: pfft |
| 17:39.19 | dataw0lf | http://api.ning.com/files/415obw1aT-MWFH4FSfsJhoeDWStPYmPFG7L87lLRwJw_/dunecat.jpg |
| 17:42.26 | ^Migs^ | Dunecat's nice and all, but http://www.webertube.com/mediadetails.php?key=cc1960e995b9c94936ef |
| 17:44.05 | levi | http://tickletux.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/the-best-software-development-books-of-2007/ |
| 17:44.34 | levi | Interesting list, though it's really 'best books out of a rather limited list the author has read' |
| 17:45.07 | levi | And, however cool Erlang is, 'Programming Erlang' was not 'Probably the most anticipated software development book of the year'. |
| 17:46.08 | elg | heh |
| 17:46.17 | elg | i wonder how that top book compares to the pragmatic programmer |
| 17:46.33 | elg | which, to me anyway, fits the bill for what he said that book is about |
| 17:47.12 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I don't trust "best of {year}" lists that are written by just one person |
| 17:47.18 | ^Migs^ | nobody has time to read ALL the books |
| 17:47.47 | tensai | or if somebody did have time to read all the books out there, their opinion would be seriously suspect |
| 17:49.32 | elg | i don't know what you mean. I have the time to read all those books and my opinion is pristine. I have 60*60*24*7*52 seconds a year to read books |
| 17:50.22 | levi | elg: Yeah, but you're a grad student. Reading stuff is your 'job'. ;) |
| 17:50.34 | maquis | heh |
| 17:50.43 | elg | if only i could afford all the books published in 2007, I could totally publish a best of list |
| 17:50.50 | maquis | the rest of us have real jobs... |
| 17:51.09 | elg | i prefer avl, but i'm only the ta |
| 17:51.13 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:51.33 | levi | I need to brush up on data structures and algorithms sometime. |
| 17:52.01 | elg | this book, intro to algorithms by cormel et al is an excellent, but expensive, book on the subject |
| 17:52.34 | elg | cormen, not cormel |
| 17:52.55 | levi | Yeah, that seems to be the definitive text. |
| 17:53.10 | levi | Unfortunately not the one my BYU class used. |
| 17:53.18 | elg | my sentiments exactly |
| 17:53.20 | levi | Or else I'd have a copy. |
| 17:53.55 | levi | I know /some/ BYU class used it, since I saw people with it on campus. |
| 17:54.11 | elg | oh yeah? |
| 17:54.15 | elg | I'd never seen it before i came here |
| 17:54.29 | elg | we used that purple book |
| 17:54.32 | levi | Dan Nuffer had his algorithms class using it. |
| 17:54.32 | elg | and the turtle book. |
| 17:54.37 | levi | That blasted purple book. :P |
| 17:54.39 | elg | this one could replace both |
| 17:54.58 | elg | but i was kind of fond of the turtle book. the purple book was dumb |
| 17:55.14 | elg | my turtle book ended up with layers of duct tape. I got it (quite) used in the first place |
| 17:55.39 | levi | I have the Sedgewick Algorithms in C book, too, which I got because the purple book was so lame. |
| 17:56.21 | levi | I'm not sure which one the turtle book is. |
| 17:56.29 | levi | Was that the intro to CS book? |
| 17:56.36 | levi | I think I sold that one back for some reason. :( |
| 17:58.47 | elg | the 235/236 book |
| 18:00.00 | levi | Do you know what the title is? |
| 18:00.13 | levi | I do recall it being a pretty decent book. I wish I'd kept it. |
| 18:00.29 | levi | I think I still have a lot of the printed notes for that class, though. |
| 18:00.40 | levi | Well, those classes. |
| 18:01.11 | elg | i'm drawing a blank, and it's at home |
| 18:01.28 | elg | i'm thinking it was by aho and ullman for some reason |
| 18:01.46 | levi | That would make sense. |
| 18:02.28 | levi | Ah, it was called 'Foundations of Computer Science' |
| 18:02.56 | elg | http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Computer-Science-C-Principles/dp/0716782847/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196445762&sr=8-3 |
| 18:03.50 | levi | Heh: http://www.amazon.com/review/R2HW2VKTRPEX1B/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2HW2VKTRPEX1B |
| 18:04.06 | findlay | I used to have one of those |
| 18:05.41 | elg | that name looks familiar |
| 18:05.52 | elg | note the date. 2000 |
| 18:06.00 | levi | Yeah. |
| 18:06.05 | findlay | then I sold it on amazon |
| 18:06.09 | elg | that was about the time when 2/3 of the class was in CS because that's where teh money was |
| 18:06.25 | levi | Teh moneyz! |
| 18:06.56 | elg | you could tell those of us who were into computers and them other folks apart instantly |
| 18:06.58 | findlay | I remember being pressured into programming in high school because of teh m0n1ez |
| 18:07.07 | elg | even the people who liked computers but didn't do very well, bless their souls |
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| 18:07.31 | Shadowwire | nice. |
| 18:08.58 | levi | Heh, Cormen left a review on his book, clarifying that the pseudocode is not in fact APL, as some other reviewer stated. |
| 18:10.20 | levi | Looks like I could get Cormen's book used from an amazon marketplace seller for ~$50. |
| 18:10.40 | levi | Someone's also selling an electronic solutions manual. |
| 18:10.58 | levi | I wonder how legit that is. |
| 18:11.17 | findlay | heh reminds me of when I bought my physics book |
| 18:11.52 | findlay | I got the international version from Thailand for about half price |
| 18:12.13 | levi | Wow, used copies of the Dragon book start at ~$75. |
| 18:12.38 | findlay | on the back cover was this scary sounding mote from the publisher that they didn't approve of me buying it, trying to make it sound as illegal as possible without actually doing so |
| 18:12.42 | findlay | it was quite amusing |
| 18:12.47 | findlay | s/mote/note/ |
| 18:14.51 | levi | So many books I should buy. |
| 18:15.47 | levi | maquis: They don't appear to have the Dragon book. |
| 18:16.01 | maquis | levi: i don't know what all they have |
| 18:16.07 | maquis | but they have some books at a low price |
| 18:16.20 | maquis | i found *a* dragon book i want from it |
| 18:16.27 | maquis | but it's a fiction book by laurence yep |
| 18:17.13 | levi | Hmm, there's a new edition of The Emperor's New Mind out, apparently. |
| 18:17.20 | levi | I think I prefer the cover on the one I've got. |
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| 18:24.28 | levi | Stupid draconian password expiry policies. |
| 18:27.17 | levi | The warehousedeals.com 'Computer Science' section has a pretty interesting idea of what Computer Science is. |
| 18:27.58 | dmdavis | 'operating systems', too |
| 18:28.27 | dmdavis | movie maker: the operating system! |
| 18:30.00 | levi | "Dude, You Can Do It! How to Build a Sweeet PC" |
| 18:32.57 | dmdavis | ah, just found a link that someone shared on the mailing list a while ago: nerdbooks.com |
| 18:33.19 | dmdavis | supposedly good prices, and they seem to have more theory books |
| 18:33.34 | levi | dmdavis: How's your Lisping coming? |
| 18:34.18 | dmdavis | it's moving in fits and spurts |
| 18:34.34 | levi | Working on anything in particular? |
| 18:34.37 | dmdavis | I read some, than program some, and I'm in programming mode right now |
| 18:34.44 | dmdavis | just a goofy little zork-style game :) |
| 18:35.14 | dmdavis | gave me a chance to make objects, deal with input/output, use different data structures |
| 18:35.35 | levi | There's actually a really cool interactive fiction game that tries to teach some simple Lisp or Scheme, I can't remember which. |
| 18:35.46 | levi | It's written in InForm or something, though, not Lisp. |
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| 18:36.30 | dmdavis | I got the idea from some illustrated lisp instructions I saw a while ago that shows how to quickly make a little text game |
| 18:36.54 | levi | Yeah, the 'Casting Spels in Lisp' or whatever it's called. |
| 18:36.57 | dmdavis | yep |
| 18:37.40 | dmdavis | you back to any lisping yet? |
| 18:38.07 | levi | Not yet. Still spending all my coding time in C or C# (for work and school, respectively). |
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| 18:40.14 | dmdavis | what I really need to do is find some small-enough-to-understand yet large-enough-to-be-interesting lisp code online to get a better idea of design from |
| 18:40.32 | dmdavis | I have a feeling that I am doing some Bad Things in my program :) |
| 18:41.13 | levi | dmdavis: The code in Practical Common Lisp is pretty good. And Peter Norvig has a Common Lisp style guide that's pretty enlightening. |
| 18:41.32 | levi | Of course, PAIP is also good for learning CL. |
| 18:42.03 | dmdavis | yeah, I need to get farther in PCL, so I can see some more big examples. I'll check out Peter Norvig, too. |
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| 18:47.53 | levi | I lucked out and someone sold me a whole pile of Lisp books for cheap, including SICP and PAIP. |
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| 18:48.23 | dmdavis | nice |
| 18:50.17 | levi | One of them is on Dylan, too. |
| 18:52.20 | dmdavis | for a second there, I thought it was about Bob Dylan, but Wikipedia tells me it's a language :) |
| 18:53.00 | levi | Yes, it's a Lisp-variant originally developed at Apple, but now only maintained by some open source volunteer types. |
| 18:53.29 | levi | It's kind of like Scheme + CLOS - S-expressions. |
| 18:53.36 | dmdavis | interesting |
| 18:54.40 | dmdavis | do you like it more than common lisp? |
| 18:56.37 | dmdavis | or is it just an interesting alternative? |
| 18:59.56 | levi | Just an interesting alternative. |
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| 19:05.13 | dmdavis | off to lunch. later. |
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| 20:25.55 | elg | the lartc is a beautiful thing |
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| 20:35.23 | tensai | ~lartc elg |
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| 20:37.43 | ^Migs^ | http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gex_itsp.htm |
| 20:37.47 | brac | [IT support] |
| 21:02.40 | ^Migs^ | ~lart tensai |
| 21:02.40 | ibot | slaps tensai upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 21:09.09 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?826387 |
| 21:09.12 | brac | [QDB: Quote #826387] |
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| 21:32.44 | dataw0lf | http://www.amazon.com/Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM |
| 21:42.10 | Supaplex | http://www.unitednuclear.com/low.htm |
| 21:42.11 | brac | [Uranium Ore - Low Radiation Level] |
| 21:46.29 | elg | -chat |
| 21:46.29 | brac | Would a a harg time going to 127.0.0.1:20000, I think. |
| 21:46.50 | elg | harg, matey |
| 22:03.06 | maquis | -chat |
| 22:03.08 | brac | C'mon... try harder to handle from 5 states :) |
| 22:07.37 | ^Migs^ | aww, Evil Knievel died |
| 22:11.27 | thaddeusq | ~comfort ^Migs^ |
| 22:11.28 | ibot | There, there, ^Migs^. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 22:26.33 | brasto | does jonathan duncan use this channel? |
| 22:27.24 | Supaplex | does undertakingyou ever pass/overtake ibot while driving? |
| 22:27.51 | undertakingyou | Supaplex: all the time. :) |
| 22:28.36 | Supaplex | had to ask c/o the onjoin :) |
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| 22:58.01 | sontek | Hey, if I have an rsa key, how can I test my password? |
| 22:58.04 | sontek | passphrase* |
| 22:58.14 | sontek | I want to make sure I remember what it is :P |
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| 23:16.35 | elg | consummate Vs! |
| 23:17.52 | findlay | ~trogdor elg |
| 23:17.52 | ibot | ACTION burninates elg |
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| 23:29.14 | Supaplex | note to self. ibot's sister might be unsavory if the m00se only bit her once. |
| 23:30.28 | jsmith | elg: Is that like you consummate a marriage? |
| 23:34.25 | findlay | ~say -chat ~random |
| 23:34.26 | ibot | -chat ~random |
| 23:34.26 | brac | ~random is |
| 23:34.52 | elg | ~dict consummate |
| 23:35.58 | elg | "showing a high degree of skill or flair; complete or perfect" |
| 23:36.03 | elg | also what you said |
| 23:36.32 | elg | you might be too old to appreciate it, but http://www.homestarrunner.com/trogdor.html |
| 23:36.36 | brac | [TROGDOR!!!] |
| 23:38.10 | elg | actually that's just the game |
| 23:38.28 | elg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gz1DIIxmEE |
| 23:48.16 | findlay | elg: the nerd handbook is disturbingly accurate |
| 23:58.49 | mrpull | findlay: and suspiciously familiar |
