| 00:01.13 | rsimpkins | Mac car is great. My only beef is that I have to buy this special gas for it. |
| 00:01.37 | levi | You should try a lisp car. It's first in my list! ;) |
| 00:01.56 | rsimpkins | levi: Yeah, I've not tried lisp car yet. What is it like? |
| 00:02.34 | levi | 'car' is a function in lisp that gives you the first element in a list. :) |
| 00:02.42 | rsimpkins | I know perl car. Every model looks totally different, and takes on the appearance of the owner. It's great if you are the only driver, but if you borrow someone elses perl car - good luck. |
| 00:03.43 | rsimpkins | PHP car is a hoot. There are over 4000 switches on the front panel alone. Also, the horn never shuts off. |
| 00:04.25 | maquis | personally, i'm becoming a bit fond of the ruby car |
| 00:04.41 | rsimpkins | vim car is my favorite, except it has a manual transmission which makes it hard to drive and eat at the same time. |
| 00:04.53 | maquis | it's really easy to use -- just start playing with it, and you'll be able to drive almost immediately |
| 00:04.54 | nick125 | The perl car also randomly explodes on the side of the road. |
| 00:05.24 | levi | nick125: no, that's th e C car. |
| 00:05.26 | nick125 | The Java car is the speed and size of a tank, with the vulnerability of a motorcycle. |
| 00:05.31 | rsimpkins | nick125: That's not as bad as PHP car. If you loose a single part you have to buy a new one. |
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| 00:10.57 | tensai | the gnu car isn't finished yet. instead there's a sign in its place telling you that walking is better for you and the environment, so get off your lazy duff. |
| 00:11.07 | maquis | :) |
| 00:11.29 | nick125 | tensai: That's the GNU/Herd car. |
| 00:12.02 | maquis | i used to drive an emacs car (a long time ago). |
| 00:12.25 | maquis | i got tired of having to be a contortionist just to hit the gas pedal |
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| 00:16.07 | nick125 | maquis: It had three gas pedels that had to be pushed at the same time, one on the floor, one on the roof and one on hte trunk? |
| 00:17.10 | maquis | yeah |
| 00:17.14 | maquis | i wasn't very good at that |
| 00:17.20 | maquis | and so i switched to the vim car |
| 00:17.46 | maquis | took a long time to learn how to drive the vim car, and i still don't know what all the buttons do... but it's pretty sweet |
| 00:17.46 | nick125 | If you didn't push them all at the same time, the car would switch into reverse and autopilot itself into the nearest pole. |
| 00:18.19 | nick125 | I'm still driving the nano car. It's pretty comfy, and it's really a breeze to drive. |
| 00:18.40 | maquis | but the nano car doesn't even have a radio |
| 00:18.47 | maquis | and it's only got 2 seats |
| 00:18.51 | dataw0lf | it's not a car, it's a covered wagon. |
| 00:19.27 | nick125 | The VIM car is like a truck, but the interior has as many controls as a 747. |
| 00:19.42 | dataw0lf | the VIM car is the Batmobile. |
| 00:20.28 | nick125 | The GNU/Herd car is a bunch of parts lying on the ground, with half of them missing and a big sign saying "Assemble it yourself" with no manual. |
| 00:20.53 | dataw0lf | "Herd" ? |
| 00:21.38 | nick125 | Hurd |
| 00:21.38 | nick125 | blah |
| 00:22.30 | nick125 | I bet that Duke Nukem Forever is designed to run on Hurd.. |
| 00:28.13 | tensai | nick125: you know, that may just be the secret they don't want you to know |
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| 01:01.00 | findlay | levi: http://www.cliff.biffle.org/esoterica/hq9plus.html |
| 01:01.00 | brac | [HQ9+] |
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| 01:12.00 | herlo | is anyone else planning on going to SCALE? |
| 01:12.46 | findlay | how much dry ice will you give me? |
| 01:13.08 | herlo | findlay: $1 worth |
| 01:13.11 | findlay | nice |
| 01:13.42 | herlo | findlay: so you'll come now? |
| 01:16.01 | findlay | where's it at? |
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| 01:40.25 | tensai | findlay: that's great |
| 01:55.41 | Tene | findlay: there's an hq9+ compiler for parrot |
| 02:05.04 | herlo | is there a better place to get adobe reader rpm than from adobe's site? |
| 02:13.30 | nick125 | What do you need the adobe reader for? |
| 02:14.05 | herlo | nick125: it has some features that evince and others dont' for pdf readers |
| 02:14.27 | herlo | but essentially, its just for reading pdfs |
| 02:14.35 | herlo | and making sure they look good |
| 02:14.53 | herlo | sometimes, I copy the data out and acroread does a much better job |
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| 03:15.45 | Lakshmi | no you dont |
| 03:56.43 | levi | Man, the hospital wireless sucks. |
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| 04:31.22 | calvarez | what was the name of that site that tells you what os and web server software a server is using? |
| 04:31.29 | calvarez | given an ip address |
| 04:32.21 | levi | Beats me. |
| 04:45.44 | elg | levi: got pics yet? |
| 04:51.50 | Tene | netcraft? |
| 05:00.06 | tensai | telnet |
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| 05:55.53 | findlay | herlo: did you try kpdf? |
| 06:00.26 | findlay | herlo: you an linux expo junkie now? |
| 06:01.17 | findlay | bringing all of the new showery from the big shows out to our provincial offering |
| 06:02.51 | findlay | wow, some code I helped hack on is now part of a major software package |
| 06:03.08 | findlay | http://unicoders.org/code/django/trunk/utils/modelviz.py |
| 06:03.11 | tensai | sue, sue! |
| 06:04.25 | findlay | all of 3 lines of code I modified are there in their undiluted noteriety |
| 06:09.05 | findlay | I bet SCALE doesn't have a string quartet :) |
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| 08:26.02 | findlay | hm |
| 08:26.17 | findlay | this is a strange network problem |
| 08:26.37 | findlay | some sites I can access (www,ssh) and others I can't |
| 08:27.15 | findlay | I can do DNS just fine, but it won't make a connection |
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| 08:28.19 | findlay | any ideas? |
| 08:28.31 | findlay | it seems like it's mstar's fault |
| 08:30.01 | findlay | maybe they rebooted the internet |
| 08:33.40 | findlay | this is really annoying |
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| 08:47.44 | Tene | ... argh, I now have three blog posts waiting to be written... guess it's finally time to start a blog. |
| 08:48.00 | findlay | Tene: can you ping google? |
| 08:48.14 | findlay | or otherwise access the general interwebs? |
| 08:48.33 | Tene | Yes. |
| 08:48.38 | findlay | strange |
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| 08:49.31 | Tene | I built a triviAl parrot compiler tonight. |
| 08:49.36 | Tene | lots of fun. |
| 08:49.50 | stuporglue | Does anyone else here have Mstar/iProvo and if so, is your internet mostly down right now (ie. no Google, etc.) |
| 08:49.55 | findlay | Tene: see if you can connect to my website: jfindlay.us |
| 08:50.00 | findlay | stuporglue: yup |
| 08:50.20 | findlay | stuporglue: I was wondering if it was just me :) |
| 08:50.23 | stuporglue | findlay: Does this happen to you about once a week at about 1:00 am every time? |
| 08:50.31 | Tene | findlay: bah, that involves not being lazy. I refuse. |
| 08:50.47 | findlay | hm, I haven't been with them very long so I haven't noticed |
| 08:51.02 | findlay | stuporglue: what, are they running windows for their servers? :) |
| 08:51.28 | stuporglue | I don't know...I started using OpenDNS and didn't notice as much down time as before, but tonight not even that is helping |
| 08:51.45 | findlay | yeah, I don't know what's going on |
| 08:51.56 | stuporglue | I got to your site just now though |
| 08:52.04 | findlay | hm |
| 08:52.15 | stuporglue | Can't get to mine though stuporglue.org |
| 08:53.04 | findlay | mstar: 0.95 uptime, guaranteed :-/ |
| 08:53.48 | stuporglue | Weird thing is, there are a couple of sites I *can* get to. http://techdirt.com, your site, OpenDNS.org...haven't found any others yet |
| 08:54.02 | findlay | well freenode too |
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| 08:54.32 | findlay | and my site is on my local server |
| 08:54.58 | findlay | I can confirm techdirt and opendns |
| 08:55.22 | stuporglue | mstarmetro.com works :-/ |
| 08:57.36 | findlay | Tene: I would like to see if you really can get through: http://jfindlay.us/blog/ |
| 08:58.16 | findlay | you know you want to right click -> open link |
| 08:59.35 | findlay | stuporglue: how long does it usually last? |
| 08:59.47 | stuporglue | I don't know, I've never stayed up long enough to find out |
| 08:59.52 | findlay | hm |
| 08:59.55 | stuporglue | It's always worked again in the morning though |
| 09:00.07 | findlay | well I'm about to throw in the towel and go to bed |
| 09:00.28 | stuporglue | Although, the DHCP lease usually needs to be renewed. It's still valid, but nothing will work till you renew it |
| 09:00.39 | stuporglue | valid ==> Not expired yet |
| 09:01.07 | findlay | the DHCP of their router? |
| 09:01.10 | stuporglue | yeah |
| 09:01.31 | findlay | so, like, unplug the ups and wait for it to power down? :) |
| 09:01.31 | stuporglue | sorry, not their router, I don't think their box is a router |
| 09:01.39 | stuporglue | Just your local router |
| 09:08.51 | stuporglue | at least slashdot still loads :-/ |
| 09:29.41 | stuporglue | meh. I give up. Have a good night |
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| 14:43.01 | ^Migs^ | "A US judge has been removed from the bench for jailing an entire courtroom audience after none of them admitted being responsible for a ringing phone. " |
| 14:43.02 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 14:43.07 | ^Migs^ | LITTLE bit extreme, perhaps |
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| 14:51.49 | shadowwire | hmm. |
| 14:52.23 | shadowwire | Good morning |
| 14:54.34 | herlo | so I am trying to help this guy today with a problem where he can't su to his user |
| 14:55.15 | herlo | I can successfully log in as root, but when I try "su - student" it gives me an interesting error |
| 14:55.31 | herlo | su: warning: cannot change directory to /home/student: Permission denied |
| 14:55.42 | herlo | su: /bin/bash: Permission denied |
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| 14:56.23 | herlo | I start looking around and all the permissions seem correct, and everything else seems set |
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| 14:59.56 | herlo | I found this article about it and yet it doesn't seem to solve it either... |
| 15:00.00 | herlo | any idears? |
| 15:07.53 | thaddeusq | herlo: I came late to the question, what is the problem? |
| 15:08.15 | elg | herlo: that agave thing looks vewy interesting. I'm going to give it a look soon |
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| 15:11.11 | Tene | herlo: ownership? permissions on /home ? |
| 15:11.23 | Tene | chmod a-x /home, perhaps? |
| 15:18.48 | sontek | herlo: does he have it setup so only certain users in certain groups can su? |
| 15:18.54 | sontek | herlo: like 'wheel' |
| 15:19.53 | Tene | sontek: 'su' specifically reports "cannot change directory to /home/student" |
| 15:20.07 | Tene | If root couldn't run su, it would just fail. |
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| 15:38.09 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?826340 |
| 15:38.10 | brac | [QDB: Quote #826340] |
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| 15:41.24 | tensai | I would strace it |
| 15:41.31 | tensai | strace always fixes everything |
| 15:42.22 | Tene | yarly |
| 15:42.31 | Tene | except herlo hates strace. |
| 15:42.34 | Tene | Stupid commie. |
| 15:42.48 | tensai | probably a nazi commie |
| 15:42.55 | Tene | prolly |
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| 16:06.56 | herlo | sorry, lecturing, and I don't hate strace |
| 16:07.22 | herlo | Tene: perms on /home are set appropriately |
| 16:07.35 | ^Migs^ | http://support.microsoft.com//default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;261186 |
| 16:07.40 | ^Migs^ | During normal operation or in Safe mode, your computer may play "Fur Elise" or "It's a Small, Small World" seemingly at random. This is an indication sent to the PC speaker from the computer's BIOS that the CPU fan is failing or has failed, or that the power supply voltages have drifted out of tolerance. This is a design feature of a detection circuit and system BIOSes developed by Award/Unicore from 1997 on. |
| 16:07.43 | herlo | sontek: nope, no pam_wheel stuff |
| 16:08.15 | herlo | ^Migs^: interesting... |
| 16:08.20 | dmdavis | ^Migs^: wow, that's awesome |
| 16:08.47 | dmdavis | I need to start implementing that in code I write. It will randomly play songs if there's a problem. |
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| 16:09.32 | Jayce^ | if "it's a small world" started randomly playing, there would be problems |
| 16:09.43 | herlo | ~lart "it's a small world" |
| 16:09.43 | ibot | steals "it's a small world"'s mojo |
| 16:09.44 | Jayce^ | can you imagine walking through a datacenter with that following you around? |
| 16:09.54 | herlo | ewww! |
| 16:10.31 | Jayce^ | it's like a nightmare, running down corridors of computers, with pc speaker sound versions of it's a small world always just behind you.. |
| 16:12.28 | herlo | I kept running around naked everywhere, but didn't seem to care, the controllers were not the same, but we played Halo 3, Guitar Hero and other games...then we'd eat, be friendly, and at one point there was a toilet in the middle of the room without a stall, very strange... |
| 16:15.35 | ^Migs^ | http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?a=54 |
| 16:15.37 | ^Migs^ | haha |
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| 16:22.22 | Kemotaha | ^Migs^: you posted the dangerous commands didn't you? |
| 16:30.08 | sontek | their bash forkbomb doesn't even work, n00bs |
| 16:33.23 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 16:33.34 | ^Migs^ | I wish I didn't know about that page, cuz now I'm curious |
| 16:35.59 | Tene | herlo: I know that you don't hate strace, but I like lies. |
| 16:37.17 | herlo | Tene: I can tell :^) |
| 16:37.42 | Tene | I means... uh... I hate them. |
| 16:37.49 | thaddeusq | ^Migs^: That's what virtual machines are for. :) |
| 16:37.56 | sontek | Tene: don't let me lie about your lies! Take a stand! Don't let the man get you down! |
| 16:38.06 | sontek | s/me/him/ |
| 16:38.16 | herlo | ~lart sontek |
| 16:38.16 | ibot | follow's sontek with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 16:38.53 | sontek | ~rlart |
| 16:38.53 | ibot | eats jlp_work and falls over dead |
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| 16:56.14 | sontek | ~morse elg |
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| 17:12.53 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 17:12.53 | ibot | holds ccjoe to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 17:13.09 | maquis | ~moose elg |
| 17:16.57 | atoponce | who uses zsh here? |
| 17:19.55 | sontek | atoponce: theres no such thing! If its not bash it doesn't count! |
| 17:20.02 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:20.03 | Tene | atoponce: fozzmoo does. |
| 17:21.21 | atoponce | well, i'd like to ksow why i have to encapsulate my ssh export in quotes |
| 17:21.27 | atoponce | EG: scp 'some.server:/some/directory/file.txt' . |
| 17:36.05 | fozzmoo | atoponce: I've not had to do what you're describing. |
| 17:44.52 | atoponce | yeah. it treats it like a command if i don't wrap it in quotes |
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| 18:07.25 | Tene | atoponce: what sort of command? |
| 18:07.28 | Tene | a command to do what? |
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| 18:14.53 | atoponce | if the command was 'scp thor:~/*.patch .' it would get this error: 'zsh: no matches found: thor:~/*.patch' |
| 18:15.48 | goozbach | yay! |
| 18:15.58 | Tene | atoponce: that's because of the * |
| 18:16.07 | Tene | zsh is trying to do a wildcard expansion |
| 18:16.11 | Tene | and there are no matches |
| 18:16.17 | Tene | * is a significant character to zsh |
| 18:16.34 | Tene | bash just returns the quoted glob if there are no matches. |
| 18:17.21 | Tene | zsh's behavior is arguably more-correct, because quoting globs that don't match can potentially lead to surprising behavior. |
| 18:18.11 | Tene | for example, 'touch *.c' will create a file called '*.c' if there are no files that match the glob in the current directory. |
| 18:19.37 | goozbach | ohh nevermind... BOO! |
| 18:20.03 | goozbach | looks like it's going to be dificult to use amazon's EC2 as an authoritiative DNS server |
| 18:20.27 | atoponce | Tene: i see. so with bash, it's guessing what i'm after, where zsh is expecting me to be exact |
| 18:25.33 | Tene | Right. |
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| 18:32.52 | maquis | my ears hurt |
| 18:32.55 | maquis | :( |
| 18:33.35 | Tene | maquis: did you try quoting them? |
| 18:34.31 | maquis | no |
| 18:35.00 | maquis | they feel like i'm coming down on an airplane |
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| 18:44.05 | goozbach | try yawning |
| 18:44.23 | goozbach | if you are having trouble yawning open your bible and start reading in cronicles |
| 18:44.34 | goozbach | you should yawn in no time |
| 18:48.46 | dataw0lf | well, after mentioning "yawn" three times, I doubt if she'll have a problem yawning now. |
| 18:48.47 | Jayce^ | ~smack goozbach |
| 18:48.48 | ibot | ACTION smacks goozbach upside the head. |
| 18:49.18 | sinuhe | goozbach: Numbers is worse than Chronicles |
| 18:49.26 | goozbach | sinuhe: good point |
| 18:49.32 | sontek | or you could just read herlo's blog! |
| 18:49.35 | sontek | ;) |
| 18:50.04 | goozbach | good point |
| 18:50.09 | shadowwire | try isaiah. |
| 18:51.09 | Jayce^ | song of solomon... oh wait, different reaction. |
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| 18:52.46 | Kemotaha | ~smack Jayce^ |
| 18:52.46 | ibot | ACTION smacks Jayce^ upside the head. |
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| 18:56.31 | shadowwire | ~lart Klys for not getting on here lately. |
| 18:56.31 | ibot | wallops Klys with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for not getting on here lately. |
| 18:56.45 | Tene | http://www.instructables.com/id/Articulated-Wing-Framework/ |
| 18:56.47 | brac | [Articulated Wing Framework - The World's Biggest Show & Tell - craft, diy] |
| 19:20.03 | shadowwire | cool. |
| 19:21.38 | sontek | any of you guys ever used thebluezone.com for interweb? |
| 19:21.50 | sontek | my boss lives up in woodscross and it looks like they are the only option |
| 19:25.08 | findlay | ~boss sontek |
| 19:25.21 | findlay | ~boss |
| 19:25.22 | ibot | i guess boss is a powerful, annoying creature, usually devoid of any clue, especially when ordering people around. |
| 19:25.31 | maquis | -chat boss |
| 19:25.31 | brac | boss went to is pretend Marine Corp boot camp can whip out the private keys |
| 19:25.42 | maquis | -chat managers |
| 19:25.42 | brac | managers is |
| 19:25.46 | maquis | -chat manager |
| 19:25.46 | brac | manager did |
| 19:25.49 | findlay | -chat maquis |
| 19:25.49 | brac | maquis did |
| 19:25.51 | findlay | -chat maquis is |
| 19:25.51 | brac | maquis is #utah |
| 19:25.55 | findlay | yay |
| 19:25.56 | maquis | yay@ |
| 19:26.12 | maquis | -chat bosses |
| 19:26.13 | brac | bosses went |
| 19:26.14 | maquis | -chat bosses |
| 19:26.14 | brac | bosses did |
| 19:26.15 | maquis | -chat bosses |
| 19:26.16 | brac | bosses went |
| 19:26.17 | maquis | -chat bosses |
| 19:26.17 | brac | bosses was |
| 19:26.18 | maquis | -chat bosses |
| 19:26.19 | brac | bosses went |
| 19:26.22 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 19:26.30 | maquis | brac's stupid |
| 19:26.46 | findlay | -chat ~piglatin |
| 19:26.46 | brac | ~piglatin went |
| 19:27.09 | maquis | -chat ~say |
| 19:27.09 | brac | ~say had |
| 19:27.09 | ibot | had |
| 19:27.12 | shadowwire | Hey, Why would it take longer to copy one thing tahts 200 mb than annother thats the same size? |
| 19:27.20 | maquis | -chat ibot is |
| 19:27.20 | brac | ibot is currently on #utah #uphpu. Has said a routing problem |
| 19:27.39 | findlay | shadowwire: lots of reasons |
| 19:27.49 | maquis | shadowwire: anything else on the network |
| 19:28.10 | findlay | not all areas of the hdd are equally speedy in read/write access |
| 19:28.57 | findlay | ~volunteer jsmith |
| 19:29.16 | jsmith | ~put findlay in the army |
| 19:33.02 | shadowwire | I think the problem is windows. |
| 19:35.16 | unum | are you coping for one sata hd to another? |
| 19:35.43 | unum | but random hd usage by windows could screw it up as well |
| 19:37.12 | shadowwire | Im copying from a sata raptor to a USB memory stick. |
| 19:37.30 | shadowwire | unfortunately using windows-xp |
| 19:37.42 | shadowwire | 78 minutes remain |
| 19:38.02 | findlay | ha |
| 19:38.03 | shadowwire | the other folder copied in about 45 seconds. |
| 19:38.14 | findlay | livecd time? |
| 19:38.23 | shadowwire | ? |
| 19:38.36 | findlay | throw in a knoppix cd and use that to copy |
| 19:38.57 | shadowwire | good idia. |
| 19:39.07 | shadowwire | idea; a i mean. |
| 19:49.22 | thaddeusq | sontek: I live in Woods Cross, who is your boss? |
| 19:50.44 | thaddeusq | sontek: We've been trying to get UTOPIA there. If he hasn't been involved already, he should check out www.woodscrosscitizen.com and www.woodscrossutopia.com |
| 19:55.28 | unum | I think we managed to cripple the state bill |
| 19:55.44 | unum | we might need to finish sending it down in flames come january |
| 19:57.19 | pjw | unum: which state bill? |
| 20:04.01 | unum | pjw: there was a bill proposed to a committee that would restrict utopia |
| 20:04.06 | unum | I sent it to the plug list |
| 20:04.18 | unum | I'm not sure it made it through committee but it may resurface |
| 20:30.55 | pjw | unum: let me know if you need more help. I've still got a few friends in the legislature. |
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| 20:32.51 | unum | pjw: who do you know? |
| 20:32.59 | sjansen | http://antoniocangiano.com/2007/11/28/holy-shmoly-ruby-19-smokes-python-away/ |
| 20:33.54 | pjw | John Dougall, Steve Urquhart are good friends. I don't know that John Valentine would says he's my friend, but he'll take my calls. Dougall is Greg Curtis' cousin, so there's some influence there. |
| 20:35.54 | unum | those two are the ones who cause the most trouble |
| 20:35.58 | unum | so that's good to know |
| 20:37.11 | unum | oops I had steve confused |
| 20:37.33 | unum | I've dealt with dougal, he's the one who introduced the bill to restrict porn to port 80 |
| 20:38.01 | unum | he's also very opposed to odf |
| 20:38.34 | unum | I'm going to be working very hard to run curtis out of office next fall so he won't be a friend of mine |
| 20:40.04 | unum | of course hopfully in 2009 jay seegmiller holds that seat so it won't matter |
| 20:49.57 | sontek | thaddeusq: Hes Trent Hansen |
| 20:50.12 | sontek | thaddeusq: he hasn't been in on any of the discussions for utopia but I've told him about them |
| 20:50.28 | sontek | thaddeusq: do you have any experience with thebluezone? |
| 20:51.43 | Tene | I do! |
| 20:51.57 | Tene | I have very horrible experiences with thebluezone! |
| 20:52.40 | Tene | Miserable, useless, worthless, failure of an ISP. |
| 20:54.55 | *** join/#utah Lakshmi (n=Lakshmi@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 20:54.58 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 20:55.10 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo how much do u know about history? |
| 21:05.24 | thaddeusq | sontek: sorry I went to lunch. I have never used the blue zone, I kind of know how they work though. |
| 21:07.55 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: I know a thing or two. |
| 21:07.58 | fozzmoo | What kind of history? |
| 21:08.05 | fozzmoo | History of the cosmos? |
| 21:08.12 | fozzmoo | History of the United States? |
| 21:08.18 | fozzmoo | History of Human Civilization? |
| 21:08.33 | Lakshmi | conceptulize how the anceint world of the mediteranniean changed from 500 bce to the end of the roman republic |
| 21:08.38 | Lakshmi | that history |
| 21:08.48 | maquis | Lakshmi: interesting |
| 21:08.55 | fozzmoo | conceptualize? |
| 21:09.00 | fozzmoo | Like... build a diorama? |
| 21:09.07 | Lakshmi | or state an idea |
| 21:09.13 | fozzmoo | It was like... surreal, man. |
| 21:09.30 | Lakshmi | like how do u think it changed |
| 21:09.40 | fozzmoo | First of all, tell your professor it's B.C.! |
| 21:09.44 | fozzmoo | Not BCE. |
| 21:09.46 | fozzmoo | Gawl. |
| 21:09.51 | fozzmoo | Sorry. Little rant there. |
| 21:09.54 | Lakshmi | heh |
| 21:09.59 | maquis | i agree with fozz |
| 21:10.08 | Lakshmi | and uh but how |
| 21:10.15 | Lakshmi | like how did the culture change etc |
| 21:10.26 | goozbach | then don't forget the spanish inquisition! |
| 21:10.31 | fozzmoo | Christ came, got nailed to a tree, everything changed. The Romans fell. |
| 21:10.50 | Lakshmi | thanks fozzmoo |
| 21:11.13 | fozzmoo | Well, you've got to mention the rise of Christianity. |
| 21:11.49 | fozzmoo | I used to be a lot better at this stuff than I am now. |
| 21:12.19 | maquis | Lakshmi: the culture changed in a lot of ways |
| 21:12.37 | maquis | honestly, the roman empire became arrogant |
| 21:13.02 | maquis | they overstretched their boundaries to the point that they couldn't keep in control... |
| 21:13.06 | maquis | and then they imploded |
| 21:13.07 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 21:13.17 | fozzmoo | That's what I meant to say. :) |
| 21:13.34 | maquis | but the culture changed a ton because the roman empire had an interesting attitude toward conquered cultures |
| 21:14.17 | ^Migs^ | BCE is more professional and academically-sound than BC |
| 21:15.08 | maquis | rather than doing as so many other conquering nations and trying to force conquered cultures to adapt to the roman culture, they actually worked har to let those conquered cultures operate semi-autonomously with their own cultures. as a result, the romans actually adopted an attitude of accepting parts of other cultures and adding them to their own culture |
| 21:15.16 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 21:15.21 | ^Migs^ | just as long as they paid tribute to Caesar |
| 21:15.25 | maquis | yup |
| 21:16.09 | ^Migs^ | they also couldn't do much with the Jewish culture, anyway. They recognized that the Jewish religion was thousands of years older than their own. Antiquity had to be respected. |
| 21:17.14 | Lakshmi | maquis how did they become arrogant? |
| 21:17.24 | maquis | Lakshmi: they thought they could rule the world |
| 21:17.30 | ^Migs^ | as do all empires |
| 21:17.42 | maquis | they didn't realize that every time they pulled in more territories, they were stretching their resources a bit more |
| 21:17.49 | fozzmoo | Which goes to prove that the US isn't so much an empire. |
| 21:17.52 | fozzmoo | Not yet anyway. |
| 21:18.16 | maquis | and the infrastructure of the day (as advanced as the romans made it) didn't quite support the speed of travel needed in order to keep control over such a broad area |
| 21:18.17 | ^Migs^ | I think we could get away with conquering Canada and declaring it the 51st state, but that's about it |
| 21:18.47 | maquis | ^Migs^: an empire today could cover much larger territory than in the time of the roman empire |
| 21:18.52 | maquis | simply due to the speed of travel |
| 21:19.00 | fozzmoo | And the speed of robots. |
| 21:19.11 | ^Migs^ | we should declare all of North America part of the United States then, imo |
| 21:19.14 | fozzmoo | Robots to do the bidding of the empire. |
| 21:19.21 | ^Migs^ | fozzmoo has the right idea |
| 21:19.43 | ^Migs^ | what empire WOULDN'T want robot slaves? |
| 21:19.51 | ^Migs^ | except when the robots revolt, of course |
| 21:20.07 | fozzmoo | Right. We all know robots, by their nature, eventually turn evil. |
| 21:20.09 | maquis | at the same time, however, should a broadly distributed group choose to revolt, the technology of today would also allow them to do so in a way that could overwhelm the empire anyways. because even though transportation is fast, it can't be everywhere at once |
| 21:20.14 | ^Migs^ | only once Skynet is built |
| 21:21.02 | ^Migs^ | my SuSE PC is starting to turn evil |
| 21:21.21 | fozzmoo | Sometimes I think SUSE is like the Roman empire during its last 100 years. |
| 21:23.48 | maquis | Lakshmi: does that help? |
| 21:24.21 | Lakshmi | yeah maquis |
| 21:24.25 | Lakshmi | it does |
| 21:24.32 | maquis | cool :) |
| 21:24.35 | Lakshmi | ima go try writing my essay now |
| 21:24.41 | Lakshmi | i'll be back if i need more help |
| 21:24.45 | Lakshmi | dont leave please |
| 21:24.59 | ^Migs^ | don't forget to mention the robots |
| 21:25.09 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: why not use BCE? |
| 21:25.29 | ^Migs^ | use BCE |
| 21:25.44 | ^Migs^ | I always did that in my classes and it made me sound smrt. |
| 21:27.27 | maquis | Lakshmi: i'm around, but i'll be in and out |
| 21:27.28 | maquis | :) |
| 21:27.39 | maquis | if you need me and i don't respond immediately, just /msg :) |
| 21:28.16 | ^Migs^ | and watch the movie "300" to learn about proper Roman history |
| 21:28.26 | ^Migs^ | wait, that's Greek |
| 21:28.27 | fozzmoo | dataw0lf: Because it's a nonsensical convention "intellectuals" use because they don't want to openly admit that our concept of time is centered around the life of Christ. |
| 21:28.37 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: and Persia |
| 21:28.38 | ^Migs^ | what's that cool movie about the ROmans? |
| 21:28.49 | fozzmoo | Caligula? |
| 21:29.03 | ^Migs^ | actually yeah that's a cool one |
| 21:29.07 | ^Migs^ | but I was going for something less historically accurate |
| 21:29.15 | *** join/#utah nearn (n=burn@64.251.22.233) |
| 21:29.19 | fozzmoo | Uhm... Braveheart? |
| 21:29.20 | ^Migs^ | Gladiator would work. :) |
| 21:29.26 | fozzmoo | Gladiator. Yeah. |
| 21:30.05 | nearn | huh, I did not know this channel existed. |
| 21:30.12 | ^Migs^ | whoa, we exist? |
| 21:30.17 | ^Migs^ | prove it,. |
| 21:30.19 | fozzmoo | Only because nearn says so. |
| 21:30.28 | nearn | damn skippy. |
| 21:30.51 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: well, no, B.C. and A.D. are most likely historically inaccurate. I have no problem ignoring the religious connotations, since Christianity has been a huge part of the modern era, and I've been ignoring religious people all my life besides. But we don't know exactly when Christ was born, and most historians agree that it was before the traditional beginning of A.D. |
| 21:30.58 | ^Migs^ | what do you hope to accomplish by coming to this quasi-existing channel, nearn? |
| 21:31.21 | fozzmoo | dataw0lf: It depends on how accurate you want to be. |
| 21:31.30 | ^Migs^ | ignore THAT |
| 21:31.41 | nearn | to idle like i have never idled before. |
| 21:31.51 | fozzmoo | Most people will accept that Christ was born somewhere around 1 A.D. |
| 21:31.53 | dataw0lf | anybody who actually hit me in the face with a bible would get to meet their God a lot sooner then they expected. |
| 21:32.10 | fozzmoo | Ooooh. A threat. |
| 21:32.15 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: "most people" not being historians. |
| 21:32.29 | ^Migs^ | historians like to shake things up |
| 21:32.48 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: Huh? A threat? |
| 21:32.54 | ^Migs^ | disprove the existence of Christ and all that |
| 21:32.58 | fozzmoo | But even historians would say the "concensus" is that Christ lived around there. |
| 21:33.01 | ^Migs^ | dataw0lf was just stating that matter-of-factly |
| 21:33.02 | fozzmoo | (if he lived at all.) |
| 21:33.06 | ^Migs^ | I didn't feel particularly threatened |
| 21:33.34 | fozzmoo | And now, I have work to do. :) |
| 21:33.58 | dataw0lf | first, consensus*. Second, a "guesstimation" doesn't seem the best way to approach our way of delineating modern eras. |
| 21:34.08 | ^Migs^ | I think Luke Timothy Johnson demonstrated quite well that it's impossible to deny the historicity of Jesus in his book "The Real Jesus." Although I'm not usually one who thinks a single book holes THE ultimate answers to an issue. |
| 21:34.29 | ^Migs^ | whether or not he was actually divine is a different matter altogether, best left to religionists. |
| 21:34.41 | dataw0lf | anyone who argues whether Jesus lived or not is missing the point. "He" spread a good message. |
| 21:34.42 | fozzmoo | and the atheists. :) |
| 21:35.15 | fozzmoo | "How nice it would be if everyone was nice to each other." |
| 21:35.17 | ^Migs^ | I don't think it means they're missing the point. It's an interesting topic, regardless. |
| 21:35.45 | ^Migs^ | idle away, nearn! |
| 21:36.19 | dataw0lf | the magical unicorn powers that are claimed Jesus had are beyond the point too. I'd think he was a good guy if he went and bought the loaves of bread. |
| 21:37.23 | ^Migs^ | that's not really a matter for historians, though. It's irrelevant. |
| 21:37.47 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 21:38.11 | ^Migs^ | I think we can all agree that SOMETHING must have happened around 1-33 C.E. to cause a religious revival, and that something was PROBABLY caused by a person. |
| 21:38.41 | dataw0lf | well, there were popular prophets aplenty around that time. And afterwards too. |
| 21:38.50 | ^Migs^ | indeed there were |
| 21:40.39 | ^Migs^ | only a handful we know of who actually claimed to be the Son of God, though |
| 21:45.55 | fozzmoo | Kemotaha's had it with your anti-Christ rhetoric! |
| 21:47.26 | vontrapp | so what's BCE? never heard of it |
| 21:47.45 | sjansen | before the common era |
| 21:47.59 | sjansen | A way for historians to be politically correct. |
| 21:48.13 | fozzmoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCE |
| 21:48.16 | vontrapp | and what's common era? when christ was? |
| 21:48.18 | sjansen | BC -> BCE |
| 21:48.22 | sjansen | AD -> CE |
| 21:49.32 | vontrapp | well, i have no problem using before christian era or christian era then |
| 21:49.56 | vontrapp | but then i'll just be lazy and leave off the era |
| 21:50.02 | vontrapp | it's 2007C dude! |
| 21:51.16 | fozzmoo | I think our years should be measured since the Big Bang. |
| 21:51.42 | vontrapp | ok, let's just increase the guestimation factor to billions of years |
| 21:51.45 | fozzmoo | November 27, 4,607,345,547 STBB |
| 21:51.53 | sjansen | Why not change the Unix ephoch to the day Linus announced Linux. |
| 21:51.56 | pjw | I think years should be measured relative to Jan 1, 1970 |
| 21:52.26 | fozzmoo | pjw: That's a STUPID idea. |
| 21:52.36 | vontrapp | let's do since jan 1, 1982 |
| 21:52.39 | fozzmoo | okay. |
| 21:52.53 | vontrapp | then when i'm old and senile, there will only be one day i could possibly be confused about my age |
| 21:55.38 | vontrapp | anyone else have a problem with my date scheme? just follow pjw, off you go |
| 21:56.10 | vontrapp | blast, the only tree ascii art i can find is christmas trees |
| 21:58.20 | fozzmoo | They're called COMMON trees, you twit! |
| 21:59.01 | sontek | whos this Christ fellow you guys keep talking about? |
| 21:59.04 | vontrapp | *grumble* |
| 21:59.33 | shadowwire | hmmm. |
| 21:59.49 | vontrapp | topped with a speckle |
| 22:00.01 | vontrapp | and candy crutches |
| 22:01.07 | shadowwire | I think our current calandar system works rather well. Besides, if you measure "Years" from the big bang you need to remember that time also is relitive. |
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| 22:06.29 | sontek | I think we should measure time from when fozzmoo got his first computer |
| 22:10.02 | dataw0lf | at least fozzmoo could probably nail that down to a year. |
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| 22:23.01 | moriancumer | It must be something on the server side I was able to connect passwordless ssh on a different server |
| 22:25.30 | shadowwire | I say we quit measuring time altogether. |
| 22:25.32 | goozbach | pjw: why then? :) let's do November 11 1892 2:15pm |
| 22:28.50 | goozbach | ohh sorry, November 17 1858 |
| 22:29.58 | goozbach | if we're picking arbitrary dates that is |
| 22:30.04 | goozbach | VMS is WEIRD! |
| 22:30.30 | goozbach | the GPS epoch is Jan 6 1980 |
| 22:30.33 | goozbach | interesting |
| 22:30.41 | dmdavis | moriancumer: I don't know if there's more to that comment than what I see, but were you using keys to connect instead of passwords? |
| 22:30.52 | dmdavis | moriancumer: if so, there's stuff to do client AND server side |
| 22:32.21 | dmdavis | well, at least the initial set up is client side, then you just need to send your public key to the server |
| 22:36.01 | moriancumer | dmdavis: I thought that occurs when I ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub username@remote_host |
| 22:36.12 | tensai | look at the syslog on the server. it should say why it rejected the key. |
| 22:36.38 | tensai | if you have bad permissions on .ssh or .ssh/authorized_keys then ssh will refuse login |
| 22:37.46 | dmdavis | OK, didn't know you had set up the key already. is the server using v2? do you need to move authorized_keys to authorized_keys2? |
| 22:38.10 | moriancumer | should HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key be uncommented on the server in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 22:38.40 | moriancumer | dmdavis: how can I check the version |
| 22:39.22 | dmdavis | moriancumer: I think it's the protocol option in sshd_config |
| 22:39.43 | tensai | recent versions (last like 5 years) prefer v2 to v1 |
| 22:39.54 | dmdavis | I've always used authorized_keys2, because authorized_keys often doesn't work for me |
| 22:40.09 | thaddeusq | moriancumer: what are the permissions on the /home/user directory? |
| 22:40.27 | tensai | recent openssh treats authorized_keys and authorized_keys2 the same. the latter is deprecated. |
| 22:40.29 | thaddeusq | moriancumer: on the target machine? |
| 22:40.51 | tensai | dmdavis: but back in the day it mattered. you must have some older machines around. |
| 22:41.24 | dmdavis | tensai: I remember this being an issue years ago, so now I just use 2 out of habit |
| 22:42.09 | tensai | I just recently discovered that rsync -e ssh is redundant because rsync now prefers ssh to rsh |
| 22:42.33 | moriancumer | cp authorized_keys authorized_keys2 and it still requests a password |
| 22:43.25 | tensai | moriancumer: have you looked in syslog? ssh has some decent logging. |
| 22:43.51 | tensai | /var/log/auth.log for debian and /var/log/secure for rh |
| 22:48.41 | moriancumer | looking |
| 22:48.45 | shadowwire | Time is of your own making; |
| 22:48.45 | shadowwire | its clock ticks in your head. |
| 22:48.46 | shadowwire | The moment you stop thought |
| 22:48.46 | shadowwire | time too stops dead. |
| 22:49.55 | dmdavis | shadowwire: it's a good thing you can't stop time for others. I know too many people who would have brought time to a screeching halt. |
| 22:50.02 | thaddeusq | moriancumer: if the target users home directory has write permissions for group or other, you will see the problem you are experiencing |
| 22:50.45 | dmdavis | thaddeusq: would that also apply to .ssh and authorized_keys? |
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| 22:51.21 | thaddeusq | dmdavis: yes. |
| 22:53.20 | moriancumer | Nov 28 23:00:30 localhost sshd[11807]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/jared |
| 22:53.26 | moriancumer | permissions |
| 22:53.35 | moriancumer | hey my time is off |
| 22:53.39 | thaddeusq | dmdavis: /home/user /home/user/.ssh and /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys all must not be writable by group or other. |
| 22:54.04 | dmdavis | thaddeusq: OK, I figured, just wanted to make sure so that moriancumer would check those too |
| 22:54.34 | moriancumer | trying |
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| 23:11.33 | thaddeusq | moriancumer: did it work? |
| 23:14.36 | goozbach | moriancumer: is the password you are being asked, for the private key or for the server you are trying to connect to? |
| 23:15.40 | thaddeusq | goozbach: it's because the permissions are wrong on the target user's home directory. ssh won't use key based authentication in that situation it will resort to the password authentication. |
| 23:16.41 | goozbach | well, sometimes people create a password-protected private key, and then say "hey it's still asking for a password" |
| 23:16.52 | goozbach | even when it IS doing key based auth |
| 23:16.59 | goozbach | just thought I'd point that out/ |
| 23:17.34 | thaddeusq | goozbach: he posted the error that said "bad ownership or modes for directory /home/jared" |
| 23:18.05 | jsmith | I have bad ownership on my directory? |
| 23:18.10 | jsmith | Who owns it? |
| 23:18.10 | Tene | thaddeusq: bad perms. |
| 23:18.17 | Tene | erm... jsmith |
| 23:18.19 | Tene | or whoever |
| 23:18.31 | goozbach | thaddeusq: didn't see that part |
| 23:18.39 | goozbach | nevermind then |
| 23:20.18 | jsmith | goozbach: Fix my DNS while you're at it |
| 23:21.01 | moriancumer | I still get jared@192.168.0.97's password: |
| 23:21.09 | moriancumer | goozbach: ^ |
| 23:21.52 | moriancumer | drwxr-xr-x for ~ |
| 23:22.27 | shadowwire | How it is looks for the life from the battery the east element? |
| 23:22.28 | moriancumer | drwx------ for .ssh |
| 23:23.26 | moriancumer | -rw------- for authorized_keys |
| 23:24.38 | Tene | moriancumer: chmod o-rx ~ |
| 23:24.41 | Tene | to make ssh `¤Iha ¤Ip#¤Ipy |
| 23:24.44 | Tene | happy |
| 23:27.51 | shadowwire | Timmothy eats the worm hairry the quality of large fat |
| 23:29.57 | *** join/#utah hagna (n=hagna@70.98.162.62) |
| 23:30.26 | hagna | ok why does "ssh sudo command" always prompt me for a password on ubuntu even though command is in the sudoers file |
| 23:30.32 | hagna | as a no password command |
| 23:36.20 | moriancumer | Something is messed up. I've tried ~ permissions o-rwx adn go-rwx and still no go |
| 23:36.45 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 23:36.45 | moriancumer | still get a password request |
| 23:38.34 | hagna | I think sudoers is wrong |
| 23:40.56 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@166-70-238-250.ip.xmission.com) |
| 23:45.43 | hagna | yep it was wrong |
| 23:45.47 | hagna | moriancumer: you talking to me? |
| 23:47.01 | goozbach | it's fun to say that :) |
| 23:47.37 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 23:47.55 | hagna | brain washed |
| 23:48.52 | moriancumer | hagna: no |
| 23:49.13 | moriancumer | later |
| 23:49.21 | *** part/#utah pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 23:49.33 | moriancumer | thanks for the help |
| 23:49.40 | *** part/#utah moriancumer (n=jared@c-67-177-42-19.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |