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| 00:34.37 | findlay-w | when you get those "scratch stuff off to reveal your prize" cards, do you scratch the whole area clean or just enough to reveal the winning message? |
| 00:36.38 | levi | Depends on how bored I am. |
| 00:37.25 | fozzmoo | If it's a substantial winning, I'll scratch it all off and then I'll gather up the material I scratched off and snort it. |
| 00:37.31 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 00:38.07 | findlay-w | it's probably a waxy substance |
| 00:38.31 | findlay-w | which, if your living area is lit by candle, then you might as well not bother snorting more wax |
| 00:44.04 | findlay-w | what if I made a scratch-to-reveal-your-prize as a javascript deal on my website. How many hours per day would you spend in scratching out random fortune strings? |
| 00:44.23 | findlay-w | a) 2 h |
| 00:44.29 | findlay-w | b) 15 h |
| 00:44.37 | findlay-w | c) 299792458 h |
| 00:44.52 | fozzmoo | But there aren't 299792458 h in a day. |
| 00:45.15 | findlay-w | there are if you're reaalllly close to an event horizon |
| 00:45.48 | fozzmoo | And, of course, if I'm really close to an event horizon, I will be spending all my waking hours scratching your website. |
| 00:46.04 | findlay-w | nice! |
| 00:46.20 | findlay-w | you win! |
| 01:11.00 | Tene | There are that many horus in a day if you have your botnet do the work for you. |
| 01:12.01 | findlay-w | can bots scratch? |
| 01:12.18 | Tene | They can if the scratching is done via javascript. |
| 01:26.28 | fozzmoo | http://tinythingsihate.blogspot.com/2007/11/0055-goths-who-go-to-disneyland-then.html |
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| 03:42.07 | Lakshmi | HEY everyone |
| 03:42.17 | Lakshmi | ~onjoin lakshmi hey! |
| 03:42.17 | ibot | ok, Lakshmi |
| 03:42.23 | levi | Hi, Lakshmi. |
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| 03:51.26 | brac | [~ |
| 03:51.27 | brac | ~say You recoil from the crude; you tend naturally toward the exquisite. |
| 03:51.27 | ibot | You recoil from the crude; you tend naturally toward the exquisite. |
| 03:51.27 | brac | ~] |
| 03:51.38 | Sargun | ibot, Yes, I do. |
| 03:51.38 | ibot | You do.? |
| 04:10.53 | findlay | a bit clumsy of an onjoin there |
| 04:11.13 | findlay | might as well iterate through a Shakespeare sonnet or do something interesting like that |
| 04:11.59 | findlay | ~say -chat Sargun |
| 04:12.00 | ibot | -chat Sargun |
| 04:12.01 | brac | Sargun is somewhere north of Boston... |
| 04:12.24 | Sargun | Am I? |
| 04:12.27 | Sargun | brac, Die. |
| 04:12.34 | findlay | ~say -chat die |
| 04:12.34 | ibot | -chat die |
| 04:12.36 | brac | die was |
| 04:18.33 | levi | Oooh, Visual Studio 2008 is out of beta. |
| 04:19.02 | levi | -talk about me |
| 04:19.17 | levi | -chat about me |
| 04:19.17 | brac | me did |
| 04:19.27 | levi | -chat about visual studio |
| 04:19.27 | brac | visual studio to do that for them to voip |
| 04:19.34 | levi | -chat about findlay is |
| 04:19.35 | brac | findlay is tempted to buy a cheap car, get less features. Buy a new surfboard |
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| 04:20.46 | levi | -chat about fozzmoo is |
| 04:20.46 | brac | fozzmoo is correct, then the documentation for using the same package? |
| 04:21.07 | fozzmoo | Anyone mounted UDF media created with Vista on Linux? |
| 04:21.53 | findlay | I thought vista was just theoretical |
| 04:22.14 | findlay | nobody actually *expected* anyone to have to suffer it |
| 04:22.59 | findlay | so people actually use vista? |
| 04:23.10 | fozzmoo | A guy in my ward brought over a CD and a DVD with a WMV on them. |
| 04:23.15 | fozzmoo | Wants me to convert them to MOVs. :) |
| 04:23.16 | findlay | heh |
| 04:23.19 | fozzmoo | I said, sure! |
| 04:23.22 | findlay | that sounds fun |
| 04:23.29 | fozzmoo | I can use mencoder to do it... |
| 04:23.36 | fozzmoo | but I can't even mount it. |
| 04:23.39 | fozzmoo | either of them. |
| 04:23.48 | findlay | yay for microsoft |
| 04:23.59 | levi | Huh. |
| 04:24.11 | findlay | but I'm tempted to get a new surfboard, anyway |
| 04:25.17 | findlay | so, I was hungry and all I had was spaghetti, so I dug around for stuff to put on it and ended up with some cheese and experimented with some chili powder |
| 04:25.39 | findlay | and the conclusion is I don't recommend chili powder on spaghetti |
| 04:26.06 | levi | Probably depends on how much chili powder. |
| 04:26.12 | findlay | fozzmoo: can you use dd? |
| 04:26.19 | levi | My wife puts chili powder in her marinara sauce all the time. |
| 04:26.34 | findlay | levi: indeed. I'm afraid I dumped an unfortunately large accidental amount on |
| 04:26.39 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 04:27.05 | levi | It's a pretty good addition to spaghetti, in moderation. |
| 04:27.45 | fozzmoo | findlay: Well, I got a 26MB image file out... no errors. |
| 04:27.46 | fozzmoo | Amazing! |
| 04:27.56 | findlay | nice |
| 04:28.26 | levi | Now, you just need to figure out how to extract the files. :) |
| 04:29.02 | findlay | I recommend a real-time perl script decoder/cracker |
| 04:29.03 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 04:29.20 | findlay | with a side of chili powder |
| 04:29.26 | fozzmoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rainier_(packet_writing) |
| 04:29.29 | fozzmoo | I found that. |
| 04:30.29 | levi | fozzmoo: Hmm. That page says Linux supports it. |
| 04:30.44 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I actually don't think this is what I need. |
| 04:31.16 | fozzmoo | I think UDF 2.50 is what I'm dealing with. |
| 04:33.17 | fozzmoo | http://www.13thmonkey.org/udfclient/ |
| 04:33.20 | brac | [13thmonkey.org : udfclient] |
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| 04:39.45 | fozzmoo | ls |
| 04:39.46 | levi | Hi, undertakingyou |
| 04:40.43 | undertakingyou | levi: how are you doing? |
| 04:41.20 | fozzmoo | So... this says to use a POSIX compliant make like bmake or pmake... |
| 04:41.24 | fozzmoo | WTF is that about? |
| 04:41.39 | fozzmoo | GNU make isn't good enough for them? |
| 04:41.50 | levi | undertakingyou: Not too bad. |
| 04:43.35 | undertakingyou | levi: I have been meaning to ask you . . . you're still in school right? |
| 04:44.15 | levi | undertakingyou: Well, back in school is more like it. |
| 04:45.17 | undertakingyou | levi: what are you going back for? |
| 04:46.03 | tensai | left his keys in a classroom, figured he'd get a degree while he was there |
| 04:46.04 | levi | undertakingyou: To finish my BS degree. :) |
| 04:46.22 | undertakingyou | tensai: nice :) |
| 04:46.24 | levi | I started at BYU in '94. |
| 04:48.31 | undertakingyou | levi: What will your degree be in and how long do you have left? |
| 04:49.10 | levi | It'll be Computer Science, and I've got something like 30 credits left. It will take basically forever to finish. |
| 04:49.51 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 04:50.16 | undertakingyou | I ask because I am planning on going back to school for a CS degree. |
| 04:50.47 | levi | Going full time or part time? |
| 04:51.13 | undertakingyou | it will have to be part time. I have done the full time school and work. It nearly killed me. |
| 04:51.37 | levi | I wouldn't even consider full time school and full time work. |
| 04:51.59 | levi | Well, maybe if I didn't have a family and didn't have any hobbies or anything. |
| 04:52.10 | undertakingyou | levi: I'm not sure what I was thinking. I did 17 credit hours while working 50 hours a week. |
| 04:52.39 | levi | undertakingyou: What kind of classes were you taking? |
| 04:53.15 | tensai | 17 credit hours of PE. that would be awesome. |
| 04:53.35 | undertakingyou | levi: stuff for my mortuary science degree. Death and Bereavement, embalming theory, thantochemistry etc. |
| 04:54.34 | levi | I'm pretty sure it would be impossible to pass 17 credit hours of CS classes while working 50 hours a week. And even if you did pass, it wouldn't be with As. |
| 04:55.18 | levi | Well, it would be impossible for me, anyway. |
| 04:55.30 | undertakingyou | levi: that is what worries me to a certain degree. Can you tell some of the classes that you have had to take for yours? |
| 04:58.36 | levi | Well, you have to take a couple of classes that teach you programming languages, some CS theory classes (which are basically math classes), computer architecture (logic and assembly language)... |
| 04:59.49 | levi | Database classes, Programming language theory classes, artificial intelligence, software engineering, design patterns, compilers, operating systems... |
| 05:00.05 | levi | There's a lot of stuff. |
| 05:00.37 | levi | There's also a lot of flexibility, since there are different emphasis tracks with different requirements, and then a huge chunk of electives. |
| 05:02.23 | undertakingyou | levi: you answered one of my big questions. What are some of the emphasis tracks? (if you don't mind me asking) |
| 05:03.08 | levi | At UVSC, there's computer science, networking, and software engineering. |
| 05:03.15 | levi | There's also a software engineering major. |
| 05:04.15 | undertakingyou | I've always wondered how they broke that out. I couldn't see there being a "super" CS degree that covered everything. |
| 05:05.20 | levi | If you're a real wuss, there's always 'info systems' ;) |
| 05:05.49 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 05:06.04 | undertakingyou | Why is that the 'wuss' degree? |
| 05:06.29 | levi | A lot of people (at least at BYU) who wanted to get into 'computers' but found CS too hard went to Info Systems. |
| 05:06.48 | undertakingyou | ahhh . . . well that is BYU for you :) |
| 05:07.40 | levi | I imagine there are similar people at UVSC, but I don't really meet anyone who's not in #utah or in my classes, so I wouldn't know for sure. |
| 05:08.44 | undertakingyou | I'm sure it is that way all over. I am just not a BYU fan. |
| 05:08.51 | undertakingyou | :) I'm shallow |
| 05:12.17 | fozzmoo | At USU, the "wuss" degree was Business Information Systems. |
| 05:12.23 | fozzmoo | No real math prereqs. :) |
| 05:12.32 | levi | fozzmoo: Yeah, same thing, I think. |
| 05:12.59 | fozzmoo | Full disclosure: I changed my emphasis from science to business because I couldn't ever pass differential eq. |
| 05:13.02 | levi | You learn things like how to use Microsoft Office and how to make a web page with Dreamweaver or something. |
| 05:13.06 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 05:13.17 | undertakingyou | lol |
| 05:13.21 | undertakingyou | that is funny. |
| 05:13.23 | fozzmoo | So, I graduated with a BS in CS. |
| 05:13.31 | fozzmoo | but with a business minor. |
| 05:13.36 | fozzmoo | instead of a math minor. |
| 05:14.42 | levi | Differential equations is kind of a farce, anyway. Like you're ever going to run into one you can solve that way. The Numerical methods class is where it's at. :) |
| 05:16.42 | fozzmoo | So... I gave up on the UDF CD/DVD |
| 05:16.51 | undertakingyou | I find it interesting how much math computers take. Until I used linux I never thought of it |
| 05:16.51 | fozzmoo | I drove over to the guy's house with two USB flash drives. |
| 05:17.04 | levi | fozzmoo: Good plan. :) |
| 05:17.22 | fozzmoo | Had my first exposure to Windows Movie Maker. |
| 05:17.27 | fozzmoo | Whew. Stinky. |
| 05:17.43 | fozzmoo | To "Save" a video to a file, you have to "publish" it. |
| 05:18.30 | undertakingyou | fozzmoo: Windows movie maker was the first I ever used. It sucks. |
| 05:18.31 | fozzmoo | That way, they can give you all the options of burning a CD or DVD, uploading to some pay service, or saving it to a directory all on one screen. |
| 05:19.05 | levi | My first attempt at editing video was via iMovie. |
| 05:19.05 | fozzmoo | Well, I'm done. |
| 05:19.21 | fozzmoo | ffmpeg -i input.wmv output.mov |
| 05:19.58 | fozzmoo | I've been doing all my video editing with Ulead MediaStudio Pro for Winbloze. |
| 05:20.23 | fozzmoo | I would love to use Final Cut Pro, but Mac hardware is so pricey. |
| 05:20.32 | fozzmoo | And then FCP is *really* pricey. |
| 05:21.00 | Tene | fozzmoo: can't you do it with vim? |
| 05:21.23 | levi | You can apparently do video editing with emacs now. ;) |
| 05:21.26 | fozzmoo | Maybe emacs... but vim... |
| 05:21.32 | fozzmoo | What levi said. :) |
| 05:21.33 | levi | Even I wouldn't want to attempt that, though. |
| 05:30.13 | Tene | fozzmoo: seen Tie::RefHash? |
| 05:31.00 | fozzmoo | Not really. why? |
| 05:32.37 | Tene | No particular reason. Just looked nice. |
| 05:33.22 | fozzmoo | make |
| 05:33.35 | fozzmoo | Gotta stop doing that. |
| 06:03.30 | findlay | make fozzmoo |
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| 07:55.47 | findlay | are DE's even usefull? |
| 07:55.52 | findlay | s/ll/l/ |
| 07:56.08 | findlay | argh, I can't believe I just said that |
| 07:56.17 | findlay | too much slashdot for me |
| 07:56.44 | findlay | anyway, DE's are incredibly limited in solvability |
| 07:57.30 | findlay | we need a new mathematics. One that doesn't have all of this nonelementary departure/transimpossible constructs |
| 07:58.09 | findlay | anybody have free time to help me hack on math-3.0? |
| 07:58.33 | findlay | I figure we'd rewrite it in Tagalog |
| 07:59.07 | findlay | seems well suited for handling nonfinite elements elegantly |
| 08:09.01 | tensai | findlay: uh, no |
| 08:09.41 | tensai | that doesn't sound even the least bit fun |
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| 10:23.20 | Sargun | Does anyone here have a shell on a solaris machine that can do a uname -o and a uname? |
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| 17:45.34 | RyanE | can anyone think of a good use for a CopperRocket 201 iDSL modem? I guess it's DI time. |
| 17:45.42 | RyanE | *someone* might want it, right? |
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| 19:31.52 | levi | RyanE: A tremendous amount of stuff dropped off at DI goes straight to the trash can. |
| 19:32.11 | levi | RyanE: If you think it's likely to end up there, it's probably less effort to do it yourself. |
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| 19:47.01 | donisewell | heloooo |
| 19:50.45 | levi | You know, I think I prefer the usability of my iBook G4 to the Thinkpad I have from work. |
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| 21:00.24 | findlay | levi: what about the keyboard/mouse differences? |
| 21:00.51 | findlay | I always found the mac approach to be annoying |
| 21:20.12 | tensai | RyanE: I've got a copper mountain dslam that would probably work with it. you want it? |
| 21:22.46 | nick125 | Wouldn't it cost a lot to ship it? |
| 21:23.24 | nick125 | The DSLAMs that I've seen usually weigh about 200lbs |
| 21:32.03 | tensai | nah, this one is less than 100lbs I bet. It's in a rack so I've never personally lifted it. |
| 21:34.35 | tensai | our modems are really heavy though. I hate installing those. |
| 21:37.41 | tensai | apparently the 201 IDSL supports speeds of 64kbps to 144kbps. yeah, probably not going to be useful to anybody. |
| 21:51.38 | nick125 | tensai: You don't happen to have a few sangoma s518s sitting around that you happen to not be using? :P |
| 22:17.40 | tensai | nick125: sorry :( |
| 22:18.10 | findlay | I've got a few rocks sitting around you can have |
| 22:20.16 | nick125 | tensai: damn. I can't find any sangoma S518s for under $150. |
| 22:20.27 | nick125 | And I really want to get rid of this crappy Zoom modem |
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