| 00:02.48 | bonez39 | is it possible, with gparted...to move an extended partition? |
| 00:04.07 | bonez39 | for example, I have /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2... /sda1 is my / directory...and is only 250 mb..and too small...I have freed up room on /sda2 by shrinking some of the partitions residing within /dev/sda2....but I can't seem to push those to the end, so that I can then expand /dev/sda1 and give it more room |
| 00:04.39 | dataw0lf | you can't move ext3 partitions. |
| 00:05.20 | bonez39 | can't move them? |
| 00:05.20 | herlo | dataw0lf: that's not true... |
| 00:05.37 | bonez39 | I gotta move this one...are you saying that gparted can't move them? |
| 00:06.02 | herlo | bonez39: its possible, but you can't have the mount active |
| 00:06.11 | bonez39 | herlo: how do I move this ? I have used gparted to shrink one of the partitions inside the extended.... |
| 00:06.20 | bonez39 | I am booted up with knoppix live cd |
| 00:06.25 | bonez39 | so none of these are mounted |
| 00:06.41 | herlo | bonez39: you need to move it where? |
| 00:06.52 | herlo | you have to have room to move it |
| 00:07.05 | herlo | so you'll need to move all of the extended partitions |
| 00:07.36 | herlo | er, the partitions in the extended partition |
| 00:07.47 | herlo | and then shrink the extended partition |
| 00:08.01 | herlo | hopefully, you'll have room to move whatever you need where you need |
| 00:08.45 | bonez39 | herlo: my / is too small |
| 00:09.03 | herlo | bonez39: and you need to move it out? |
| 00:09.06 | bonez39 | I tried to install openoffice 2.3 and it ran out of room, installing to /opt which is directly off of / |
| 00:09.13 | herlo | os move the extended partition out... |
| 00:09.26 | herlo | s/os/so/g |
| 00:09.30 | bonez39 | I need to move the extended partition to the end of the drive, so that I can then expand / and give it more room |
| 00:09.31 | herlo | all the way |
| 00:09.36 | herlo | right |
| 00:09.49 | bonez39 | yes....in gparted terms...all the way to the right.... |
| 00:09.56 | bonez39 | so that / at the far left can expand.... |
| 00:10.06 | herlo | right |
| 00:10.13 | herlo | correct |
| 00:10.17 | herlo | exactly :) |
| 00:10.30 | bonez39 | can I do this? when I click on the extended partition it doesn't allow me to fill in any space at the start, only at end where I don't want any space |
| 00:10.37 | bonez39 | how then? |
| 00:10.43 | herlo | bonez39: let me look, hang on |
| 00:11.53 | bonez39 | ok, hanging on....gladly |
| 00:14.01 | herlo | bonez39: okay, I just tested it |
| 00:14.05 | herlo | and it worked for me |
| 00:14.06 | herlo | what I did |
| 00:14.22 | herlo | I've got 7 partitions |
| 00:14.37 | herlo | 4 is extended + 3 logical |
| 00:15.26 | bonez39 | you have my attention |
| 00:15.33 | bonez39 | lead the way |
| 00:15.47 | herlo | I removed the first logical sdb5 |
| 00:15.54 | herlo | and sdb6 too |
| 00:16.13 | herlo | and then I moved the extended partition up to sdb7 |
| 00:16.15 | bonez39 | I don't have any logical partitions I can REMOVE |
| 00:16.25 | herlo | I, however, didn't click apply |
| 00:16.33 | bonez39 | ah.....you trick it |
| 00:16.51 | herlo | bonez39: nope, not a trick |
| 00:16.55 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 00:16.59 | bonez39 | I am listening |
| 00:17.13 | herlo | bonez39: you have disk space available in one of your logical partitions right? |
| 00:17.23 | herlo | so shrink it |
| 00:17.32 | herlo | then, you'll have some empty space to work with... |
| 00:17.39 | bonez39 | yes...my /home partition is about 375 gb...... |
| 00:17.51 | bonez39 | so I shaved about 10 gb off it.....resized it...... |
| 00:18.11 | bonez39 | to give myself 10 gb at the end, to move everything that way, then expand my / partition to give it room |
| 00:18.31 | bonez39 | I have empty space at the end of all other drives....extended and logical now |
| 00:19.06 | herlo | so you should be able to move everything to the end, then click on the extended partion, then click resize/move and it should let you resize from the beginning |
| 00:19.17 | herlo | can you not do that? |
| 00:19.27 | herlo | is /home in extended? |
| 00:19.33 | bonez39 | the space at beginning is greyed out..... |
| 00:19.38 | bonez39 | yes, my /home is in extended.... |
| 00:19.41 | herlo | that means its deleted... |
| 00:19.57 | bonez39 | there is nothing critical on this sytem, so I could just hoze it all and reconfigure.... |
| 00:20.01 | bonez39 | if I have to |
| 00:21.07 | bonez39 | if I just clear it and start over...I probably should establish /home / (root) as not extended drives....or not logical, but purely extended right? |
| 00:21.37 | herlo | bonez39: I see what's happenening |
| 00:21.52 | herlo | it says un allocated... |
| 00:21.54 | bonez39 | I don't have a problem with wiping it out if I need to...just want to mkake sure I understand the layout....if I do..... |
| 00:21.56 | herlo | hmmm |
| 00:21.59 | bonez39 | yeah, unallocated |
| 00:22.18 | bonez39 | actually I have 21 gb unallocated at the end there |
| 00:22.25 | bonez39 | which I need at the front |
| 00:22.51 | herlo | bonez39: and it won't let you move it |
| 00:22.52 | herlo | I see |
| 00:23.07 | bonez39 | right |
| 00:23.12 | bonez39 | that's the trouble |
| 00:23.18 | herlo | right |
| 00:24.08 | bonez39 | should I just reinstall? I mean, it seems , if gparted works anything like partition magic...that I should be able to just move things around.....at will.... |
| 00:24.14 | elg | * herlo thinks for two seconds... |
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| 00:24.27 | bonez39 | but I know inodes are likely not at all like win32 file system. or other |
| 00:26.34 | bonez39 | any other ideas? |
| 00:28.36 | bonez39 | two seconds are UP..... |
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| 00:29.55 | bonez39 | elg: methinks herlo's seconds are reckoned by some measure other than my measure of time |
| 00:31.11 | bonez39 | elg: any ideas from the Doctor? or just enjoying observing our frustration? |
| 00:33.23 | bonez39 | here's another.....I just bought a wrtp54g......to replace my current RT31P2 .. also from linksys...since it's not routing right .. anyone know how to tweak the wrtp54g? |
| 00:35.11 | bonez39 | back tomorrow |
| 00:35.16 | bonez39 | or tonight later |
| 00:53.46 | Tene | bonez39: |
| 00:54.01 | Tene | actually, nm |
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| 02:16.10 | tensai | bonez39: I know how to configure a wrtp54g. what do you mean by "tweak"? |
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| 05:00.46 | bbeattie | Anyone know of a cheap router that will let you setup multiple dmz's? I'm looking to have my home on a 10.x.x.x network but also have several 192.168.1.x, 192.168.2.x, 192.168.3.x, etc) that can get out the 10.x.x.x network that's online. It's easy with a linux box but I'd prefer a linksys type router to do this. Can the average linksys 54g router do this, or only if it's loaded with an aftermarket linux rom, or is there another recommendation? |
| 05:01.30 | herlo | but also mentions that its not a router as in out of the box... |
| 05:04.16 | bbeattie | have you used it yourself? |
| 05:04.49 | Sargun | bbeattie, Linux? |
| 05:04.55 | bbeattie | no, pfsense |
| 05:05.52 | Sargun | Why not Linux? |
| 05:06.20 | herlo | bbeattie: I love PFSense, use it all the time |
| 05:06.54 | herlo | has a wonderful web interface, and if you like the command line you can do that too.... |
| 05:06.54 | herlo | also has a menu driven aspect |
| 05:06.56 | herlo | plus you can just run it from CD or install it if you desire... |
| 05:07.16 | bbeattie | how much cpu/ram does it need, will a 300mhz 64MB ram laptop work? |
| 05:07.21 | herlo | oh yeah |
| 05:07.36 | bbeattie | herlo: supports ssh, vpn, or anything else? |
| 05:07.48 | bbeattie | port forwarding, etc.. |
| 05:07.50 | herlo | we use a 500Mhz with like 128M |
| 05:08.05 | herlo | port forwarding, ssh, vpn and more |
| 05:08.54 | herlo | we used it for dual wan (comcast and qwest) connections into our house until we recently got UTOPIA |
| 05:09.40 | bbeattie | is there a solution that's even more 'out of the box' from a linksys router? |
| 05:10.35 | herlo | not for what you asked |
| 05:10.38 | herlo | AFAIK |
| 05:10.49 | herlo | maybe cisco has something like that |
| 05:12.20 | bbeattie | how close do the linksys 54g routers with or without custom linux roms come? (I haven't ever used one, just this old smc wireless b router) |
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| 05:16.55 | herlo | me neither actually, so I can't say |
| 05:17.50 | Sargun | it wa sa treo! |
| 05:17.52 | Sargun | then it left! |
| 05:18.07 | nick125 | I'm about to fall asleep on the keyboard |
| 05:20.33 | nick125 | dude, I'm not in the mood :/ |
| 05:22.59 | fozzmoo | I wouldn't be in the mood after a cold shower either. |
| 05:23.02 | fozzmoo | Poor Sargun. |
| 05:23.35 | fozzmoo | bbeattie: Look for the WRT54GL |
| 05:23.39 | fozzmoo | That one runs Linux. |
| 05:24.20 | fozzmoo | I think I misunderstood the discussiion. |
| 05:24.29 | Sargun | nick125, what happened . |
| 05:24.55 | fozzmoo | Maybe he's having a "George" episode. |
| 05:25.11 | levi | "Can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe?" |
| 05:30.41 | tensai | bbeattie: I believe a wrt w/ openwrt could do that. I know with the firewalls we sell at work to get that level of capability would cost some mega-$$$. |
| 05:32.10 | Sargun | uhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 05:32.21 | Sargun | whoa, too many hh |
| 05:32.41 | Sargun | tensai, where do you work? |
| 05:32.53 | Sargun | bbeattie, what are the requirements for your FW |
| 05:32.57 | tensai | Sargun: wyoming.com |
| 05:34.04 | tensai | bbeattie: would those 192.168.[123].x subnets be on the same ethernet segment, or each on a separate port. the latter is more difficult. the former is a piece of cake with openwrt. |
| 05:34.19 | Sargun | Web mail company. |
| 05:34.37 | tensai | Sargun: no, ISP |
| 05:34.37 | Sargun | but you sell Firewalls? |
| 05:34.40 | Sargun | ah. |
| 05:34.53 | Sargun | I've designed and built some FWs at work |
| 05:35.00 | Sargun | the cheapest are around $1250 |
| 05:35.08 | Sargun | the best are around $37k |
| 05:35.40 | tensai | I think we sell some in the $300-500 range |
| 05:35.48 | Sargun | el cheapo |
| 05:36.20 | tensai | worst firewall I've ever seen was probably also the most expensive. some symantec system that was horrible (despite running linux underneath). |
| 05:37.14 | tensai | Sargun: we sell fortinets and they're good stuff, even the low end |
| 05:37.31 | tensai | we used to sell (still a little) sonicwalls and they're kind of a joke |
| 05:37.32 | Sargun | How much can they route? |
| 05:37.45 | Sargun | Are they transparent? |
| 05:39.13 | tensai | how much can they route? like max throughput? I dunno, never tried to kill one. |
| 05:39.17 | Sargun | ah. |
| 05:39.25 | Sargun | You don't work with insane people? |
| 05:39.43 | tensai | we've got a 60A for our office and we peak at probably 10mbit, avg about 5mbit |
| 05:39.59 | Sargun | 60A? |
| 05:40.03 | Sargun | Firewall's model number? |
| 05:40.05 | tensai | insane at some levels, but never with production traffic |
| 05:40.11 | Sargun | I haven't played with the Fortinet. |
| 05:40.22 | Sargun | I'm assuming you have a couple test models? |
| 05:40.32 | tensai | yeah. figured I'd toss that out if anybody wanted to follow along. |
| 05:40.47 | tensai | I don't personally have any, but we do have 'em around yeah |
| 05:41.16 | Sargun | Hehe |
| 05:41.21 | tensai | there are just so many other things to break that thrashing firewalls has never ranked up there |
| 05:41.24 | Sargun | DSL ISP? |
| 05:41.33 | Sargun | tensai, A DSL ISP you are? |
| 05:41.45 | tensai | dsl, wireless, dialup, web, mail. the works. |
| 05:42.00 | tensai | oh and soon to be phone |
| 05:42.10 | tensai | asterisk++, openser++ |
| 05:42.29 | Sargun | Neat. |
| 05:42.32 | Sargun | You work in Operations? |
| 05:42.38 | tensai | yup |
| 05:42.41 | Sargun | I'm assuming you are a CLEC then? |
| 05:42.45 | tensai | yup |
| 05:43.01 | tensai | it's the only way to make a buck in dialup these days |
| 05:43.29 | Sargun | Do you have an interconnect with Qwest? Or whoever your local ILEC is? |
| 05:44.21 | tensai | it's qwest and yes |
| 05:45.55 | tensai | we have a guy who works full time just to wade through all the muck with qwest and the puc |
| 05:46.26 | Sargun | yeah, most people have consultants do that |
| 05:46.34 | Sargun | how much do you guys make from incoming calls? |
| 05:49.10 | tensai | I honestly have no idea, nor could I probably tell you anyway |
| 05:49.52 | tensai | I actually had never considered that. I wonder if we have to file it with the puc. |
| 05:50.10 | Sargun | Its public information if I considered looking it up in the PUC |
| 05:51.51 | tensai | yeah I guess it would be. It's just never interested me. |
| 05:52.19 | tensai | the few times I've had to get info from the puc were not much fun |
| 05:52.59 | Sargun | haha. |
| 05:53.00 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 05:53.38 | bbeattie | tensai: different vlans |
| 05:54.09 | bbeattie | well, I guess they'd have to partially share the same input vlan, right? |
| 05:54.22 | tensai | bbeattie: what kind of vlans? tagged, untagged? |
| 05:55.35 | bbeattie | tensai: basically I need to have a few identical networks (for dev/testing stuff at home) but on different networks so they don't interfere by having the same ip's, but I need them to all route to the internet |
| 05:56.30 | bbeattie | I have three boxes that have a 192.168.168.100 address but they also have alias's for 192.168.[123].dhcp |
| 05:56.43 | tensai | bbeattie: from what I remember of the openwrt docs, each of the switch ports can be assigned to a separate vlan which gets an interface name (vlan0, vlan1, etc.) |
| 05:56.52 | bbeattie | tensai: not sure, I've never configured a vlan really, but I did get a switch finally to do them |
| 05:58.38 | tensai | wow. the openwrt config has changed quite a bit since I installed |
| 05:59.05 | bbeattie | tensai: so the wrt's can have each network port be for a different 192.168.[123].x network, nat each one individually, and dhcp each one individually? that's what I'm really looking for, but I think the pfense wouldn't work as well since I only have one ethernet port total in the laptop. |
| 05:59.39 | tensai | if you only have one interface then you would have to do tagging, which I honestly have very little experience with |
| 05:59.54 | tensai | but yes I believe openwrt could do it |
| 05:59.55 | bbeattie | tensai: in short what's the idea of tagging? |
| 06:00.06 | Sargun | 802.1q |
| 06:00.12 | Sargun | Read the spec :-x |
| 06:00.19 | tensai | bbeattie: the packet says which vlan it is, rather than the switch just knowing based on the port number |
| 06:00.28 | Sargun | Its so Vlans can span across interfaces |
| 06:01.06 | bbeattie | I see... |
| 06:01.11 | tensai | or more clearly, so multiple vlans can occupy the same physical interface |
| 06:01.39 | bbeattie | do the newest wrtl's work with openwrt or does cisco/linksys try to keep people from modding them? I remember a digg article some time ago about a little battle between the two sides |
| 06:01.55 | tensai | bbeattie: look for the wrt54gl |
| 06:02.13 | tensai | it's the only one worth buying. the v5s without linux are just crap. |
| 06:04.44 | Sargun | tensai, What kinda routers do you use |
| 06:05.21 | tensai | Sargun: me personally I've got a craptiontec and a wrt54g. for our company backbone we use all ciscos. |
| 06:05.47 | Sargun | All Ciscos? :-( |
| 06:05.51 | Sargun | Convert them to Linux. |
| 06:06.28 | Sargun | Use Layer 3 Routers + Linux. |
| 06:06.35 | Sargun | You'll be happier |
| 06:06.57 | Sargun | What do you use for firewalling? |
| 06:07.02 | Sargun | the customers |
| 06:07.13 | Sargun | I mean you probably have what, 2-3 Gig of traffic? |
| 06:08.36 | tensai | I think you overestimate the connectedness of wyoming. antelope don't need computers you know. |
| 06:09.16 | tensai | we don't firewall on our customers' behalf, if that's what you're asking |
| 06:09.30 | tensai | we do traffic shaping with mikrotik routers (which are linux based) |
| 06:10.39 | tensai | but the rest of the routers are ciscos and you'd be hard pressed to convince us to switch |
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| 06:15.03 | bbeattie | tensai: tensai: any idea if this is a guarantee to work? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190 I can't find a serial number to verify.. |
| 06:16.14 | tensai | Sargun: actually these look pretty cool as a 7200 replacement. http://www.imagestreamsolutions.com/Linux_Routers/Gateway_Router_Specs.html |
| 06:16.39 | Sargun | teabeer_, You don't watch your customers traffic? |
| 06:16.41 | tensai | Sargun: the cards don't appear to be hot swappable, which is a huge downside. still, has a lot of the right buzzwords. |
| 06:16.43 | Sargun | block SMTP. |
| 06:17.00 | tensai | bbeattie: yes, that's the right ones |
| 06:17.11 | Lakshmi | Hi sargun! |
| 06:17.29 | tensai | Sargun: I've got better things to do. no, we don't block smtp or anything else that isn't actively causing real issues (viruses, etc.) |
| 06:17.36 | Sargun | Intercept/manipulate unencrypted traffic. |
| 06:17.42 | Sargun | throttle |
| 06:17.52 | Sargun | discon a connection |
| 06:17.53 | tensai | did I say I worked for comcast? I don't think I did... |
| 06:18.00 | Sargun | if its using too much B/W |
| 06:18.01 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 06:18.13 | Sargun | It's not NEBs complaint. |
| 06:18.39 | tensai | Sargun: yeah, that's another problem. lots of our gear is in qwest colos |
| 06:19.00 | tensai | Sargun: see we have to use our own network, so we try to make it the network we want to use |
| 06:19.15 | Sargun | Weigh your higher paying customers. |
| 06:19.23 | Sargun | This has a lot of neat things |
| 06:19.27 | Sargun | but lacks things I want. |
| 06:19.57 | Sargun | such as many GigE interfaces |
| 06:20.09 | Sargun | the last "embedded" network solution I tried sucked. |
| 06:21.01 | Sargun | tensai, What's your speciality? Storage, Networking, Edge solutions, Last mile? |
| 06:21.39 | tensai | Sargun: last mile. we've got an awesome wireless network. |
| 06:21.47 | tensai | wyoming is a great place for wireless |
| 06:21.51 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:22.15 | tensai | and an awful place to run wires |
| 06:22.46 | Sargun | I hate Wireless |
| 06:22.53 | Sargun | I have a loop at 19k feet |
| 06:22.57 | Sargun | and I can't do anything with it |
| 06:23.02 | Sargun | This -sucks- |
| 06:23.03 | Sargun | er |
| 06:23.11 | Sargun | basically nothing |
| 06:23.17 | tensai | 19kft, I can get you 7mbit on wireless |
| 06:23.23 | Sargun | I might get a DS1 and buy my own T1 terminators |
| 06:23.33 | Sargun | This is california, lots of hills, houses, and trees |
| 06:23.40 | Sargun | BTW: Are you going to NANOG42? |
| 06:24.18 | tensai | I thought about asking today, but probably not. I can't come up with any decent justifications for the cost and I don't really want to fly anywhere |
| 06:24.41 | Sargun | its only like |
| 06:24.43 | Sargun | $500? |
| 06:24.50 | tensai | yeah, but that's the cheap part |
| 06:24.59 | tensai | hotel, airfare, meals, car rental |
| 06:25.28 | Sargun | eyah |
| 06:25.29 | Sargun | yeah |
| 06:25.35 | Sargun | Hotels aren't that expensive here. |
| 06:25.37 | Sargun | like $500 |
| 06:25.42 | Sargun | er |
| 06:25.46 | Sargun | $50 |
| 06:25.55 | tensai | I was gonna say... |
| 06:25.56 | Sargun | for a really crappy, stay like a college-kid hotel |
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| 06:26.32 | Sargun | The hotel which is right by my office (also, right by the CRG building), is like $250 a night starting for the butler domains. |
| 06:26.46 | Sargun | And the "standard" domains are like $600 |
| 06:26.57 | Sargun | and the niceish domains are like $800 |
| 06:27.03 | Sargun | the nice ones are $1200 |
| 06:27.36 | Sargun | tensai, Food, you don't need food! |
| 06:27.56 | tensai | you kiddin' me? that's my only chance to eat out! |
| 06:28.40 | tensai | it's the one thing that makes me want to join the Gurus |
| 06:29.18 | Sargun | lol. |
| 06:29.25 | Sargun | How ancient are you? |
| 06:29.38 | tensai | redbeard goes to blue ginger and rubs it in my face |
| 06:29.45 | tensai | Sargun: 30 |
| 06:32.08 | Sargun | hehe |
| 06:32.16 | Sargun | Anyways, there is no harm in asking |
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| 06:32.29 | Sargun | and you'll join a group of no-so-elite #utahers that have met me |
| 06:32.45 | Sargun | in the flesh and blood |
| 06:33.05 | tensai | gee, don't tempt me too much ;P |
| 06:33.31 | Sargun | hahaha |
| 06:33.34 | tensai | I'm thinking I would rather go to Astricon instead |
| 06:33.53 | Sargun | Texas. Vs. California. |
| 06:34.38 | tensai | ooh I should go to von japan |
| 06:35.33 | Sargun | hm. |
| 06:36.20 | tensai | I will be at UTOSC next year. I'm planning a paper to present already. |
| 06:37.22 | Sargun | give us a hint on the topic! |
| 06:38.17 | tensai | I mentioned it sometime in the last hour |
| 06:38.43 | Sargun | Wireless? |
| 06:38.47 | Sargun | Linux on embedded? |
| 06:38.57 | Sargun | Asterisk |
| 06:39.37 | tensai | probably all of the above |
| 06:39.54 | tensai | well, I really need to get to bed. later. |
| 06:40.36 | Sargun | ah |
| 06:40.37 | Sargun | neat |
| 06:40.39 | Sargun | g'night |
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| 07:34.29 | nick125 | LOL |
| 07:36.00 | Sargun | ibot, yes, you are. |
| 07:36.18 | Sargun | ~onjoin Sargun You Rock! |
| 07:36.18 | ibot | Sargun: ok |
| 07:36.33 | Sargun | is brac in here |
| 07:36.37 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us |
| 07:36.38 | nick125 | yay, firefox locked up when I tried closing it. |
| 07:36.42 | Sargun | haha |
| 07:36.52 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/ |
| 07:36.56 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal |
| 07:37.00 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py |
| 07:37.00 | brac | [~Nobody Likes Findlay |
| 07:37.00 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.887258689 |
| 07:37.01 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.887258689 |
| 07:37.01 | brac | Findlay is evil~] |
| 07:37.02 | brac | [~Nobody Likes Findlay |
| 07:37.04 | Sargun | finally! |
| 07:37.04 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.387585585061 |
| 07:37.05 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.387585585061 |
| 07:37.05 | brac | Findlay is evil~] |
| 07:37.06 | brac | [~Nobody Likes Findlay |
| 07:37.06 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.37124220634 |
| 07:37.07 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.37124220634 |
| 07:37.08 | brac | Findlay is evil~] |
| 07:37.09 | brac | [~Nobody Likes Findlay |
| 07:37.11 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.543236650026 |
| 07:37.11 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.543236650026 |
| 07:37.13 | brac | Findlay is evil~] |
| 07:37.17 | brac | [~Nobody Likes Findlay |
| 07:37.19 | brac | ~say http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.223297391845 |
| 07:37.19 | ibot | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/brac.py?0.223297391845 |
| 07:37.19 | Sargun | ok. |
| 07:37.21 | brac | Findlay is evil~] |
| 07:37.21 | Sargun | I think it died. |
| 07:37.23 | Sargun | Crap. |
| 07:38.03 | nick125 | wow, you still have the pyportal code.. |
| 07:38.17 | Sargun | some of it. |
| 07:38.32 | nick125 | That was an..interesting project. |
| 07:39.16 | nick125 | It'd be interesting to rewrite pyportal with a modular architecture. |
| 07:40.26 | nick125 | I've never figured out a good way to write modular web applications that either 1) didn't suck; 2) be horribly inefficient or 3) be inflexible |
| 07:40.33 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/welcome.py |
| 07:41.08 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/welcome.py |
| 07:41.09 | brac | [~ |
| 07:41.09 | brac | ~say You will be run over by a bus. |
| 07:41.10 | ibot | You will be run over by a bus. |
| 07:41.10 | brac | ~] |
| 07:41.29 | Sargun | ~onjoin Sargun http://xbmodder.us/pyportal/welcome.py |
| 07:41.29 | ibot | Sargun: ok |
| 07:41.33 | brac | [~ |
| 07:41.33 | brac | ~say Love is in the offing. Be affectionate to one who adores you. |
| 07:41.33 | ibot | Love is in the offing. Be affectionate to one who adores you. |
| 07:41.33 | brac | ~] |
| 07:41.38 | Sargun | uhh. |
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| 07:41.41 | brac | [~ |
| 07:41.41 | brac | ~say Blow it out your ear. |
| 07:41.42 | ibot | Blow it out your ear. |
| 07:41.57 | Sargun | oh. this is cool |
| 07:42.51 | Sargun | Who wants a fortune o'welcome |
| 07:43.12 | findlay | ~fortune |
| 07:43.13 | ibot | well, fortune is a kickass app available for Linux. Packages are in OZ and http://frob.us/modules.php?name=Fortune lets you use fortune over the web. |
| 07:43.36 | findlay | -chat Sargun |
| 07:43.36 | brac | Sargun is a convex polygon |
| 07:43.40 | findlay | hm |
| 07:44.14 | Sargun | Am I? |
| 07:44.59 | findlay | ~asses Sargun |
| 07:46.24 | findlay | yay |
| 07:47.08 | nick125 | Maybe tomorrow I'll start working on something...since I don't have anything else to do tomorrow. |
| 07:47.20 | Sargun | Anyone here good at web coding? |
| 07:47.37 | findlay | nick125: got any good projects in the works? |
| 07:47.54 | nick125 | findlay: Not really. |
| 07:48.10 | findlay | nick125: become a gentoo arch tester :) |
| 07:48.11 | nick125 | I'll probably work on designing my GPS logging device. |
| 07:48.13 | Sargun | findlay, you got any good thanks giving projects. |
| 07:48.17 | Sargun | uh |
| 07:48.48 | findlay | Sargun: yeah. I'm planning a DDoS on your servers as thanks |
| 07:48.48 | nick125 | Gotta get working on reading MMC docs. |
| 07:48.55 | Sargun | uh |
| 07:49.00 | findlay | uh |
| 07:49.17 | Sargun | NMEA |
| 07:49.22 | Sargun | receiver |
| 07:49.28 | Sargun | it is |
| 07:50.07 | nick125 | NMEA is fun too |
| 07:50.22 | nick125 | I'd actually hate to manufacture this device though.... |
| 07:50.36 | nick125 | the GPS chip has 32 pins on a 1.0mm pitch |
| 07:50.47 | nick125 | The entire chip is 10mm x 10mm x 2mm |
| 07:51.30 | nick125 | Also trying to solder the ATMega168 on there *shutter* |
| 07:54.10 | findlay | you're designing a camera *shutter*? |
| 07:54.59 | findlay | dude, nick125, I'm sure they have ingenious automated manufacturing processes for stuff like that |
| 07:57.36 | nick125 | Yeah, I'd hope so. |
| 07:57.49 | nick125 | I'd hate having to solder 3 SMDs. |
| 07:58.07 | findlay | :) |
| 07:58.19 | nick125 | Well, probably more than that. |
| 07:58.36 | nick125 | I've got the GPS receiver, the AVR, and the FTDI port. |
| 07:58.58 | nick125 | Why is it that I feel that some chip manufacturers put pins on things just to put pins on them? |
| 07:59.15 | nick125 | For example, this GPS chip has 6 ground pins. |
| 08:04.10 | nick125 | night everyone |
| 08:29.16 | Sargun | findlay, you still awake |
| 08:30.37 | Lakshmi | Sargun |
| 08:30.40 | Lakshmi | Sargun |
| 08:30.49 | Sargun | Lakshmi, |
| 09:11.00 | Tene | ~findlay findlay |
| 09:11.00 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay. |
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| 13:23.43 | bonez45 | anyone know why using gparted....on an unmounted drive and partitions...would have some options greyed out? |
| 13:42.03 | bonez45 | how would one separate test in one cell, separated by by a comma, into two columns? |
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| 14:08.27 | elg | ~attack emcnabb |
| 14:08.28 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing emcnabb |
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| 15:12.36 | dmdavis | elg: syn |
| 15:13.57 | elg | ack |
| 15:14.20 | dmdavis | elg: I gathered up all my PDA stuff. it's a zaurus sl-5500 |
| 15:14.29 | dmdavis | elg: you want it? |
| 15:14.38 | dmdavis | elg: little scuffed, but not bad |
| 15:14.52 | dmdavis | still turns on and works |
| 15:15.13 | dmdavis | I'd be willing to donate it to the Starving Student fund :) |
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| 15:15.25 | tensai | dmdavis: if he doesn't, I might |
| 15:15.36 | dmdavis | tensai: k |
| 15:37.51 | teabeer_ | Sargun: no, not really |
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| 15:48.11 | pelaofeliz | Mazel tov, Goozbach |
| 15:48.51 | fozzmoo | I sent goozbach a text message last night around 11:30 saying "Tick... Tock... " |
| 15:49.01 | fozzmoo | and he immediately responded, "No frakkin kidding!" |
| 15:49.11 | fozzmoo | I hope he got some sleep last night. |
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| 16:05.07 | elg | dmdavis: sorry, was in the zone |
| 16:06.28 | elg | dmdavis: I'd be happy to give it a good home |
| 16:06.38 | elg | if you're sure you want to donate it |
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| 16:29.40 | elg | ~onjoin dmdavis ping elg |
| 16:29.40 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 16:30.01 | nick125 | morning everyone.. |
| 16:30.11 | elg | is it still? |
| 16:30.21 | nick125 | here, yeah. |
| 16:30.23 | nick125 | Tue Nov 20 09:30:23 MST 2007 |
| 16:30.43 | elg | only 9:30. fascinating |
| 16:31.25 | elg | hey look, another grad student on openclue |
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| 16:36.55 | dmdavis | elg: pong |
| 16:37.18 | elg | ~onjoin -dmdavis |
| 16:37.18 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 16:37.32 | elg | just wasn't sure if you got my last messages since your connection timed out |
| 16:37.38 | dmdavis | nope |
| 16:37.55 | elg | i'd be ecstatic to give it a good home if you're sure you want to donate it |
| 16:38.33 | dmdavis | yeah, not a problem. I haven't used it in a year or two, so it might as well go where it will get some love |
| 16:43.39 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 16:43.44 | ^Migs^ | I was IMing me friend, and just now he said. "Hmmm...we're evacuating. Probably a big deal. Later!" |
| 16:44.17 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 16:44.26 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: you friend is where? |
| 16:45.20 | ^Migs^ | Utah |
| 16:45.22 | ^Migs^ | Ogden |
| 16:45.24 | ^Migs^ | I wonder what's going on |
| 16:47.58 | tristanbob | nothing happening over here in Ogden |
| 16:48.04 | tristanbob | so no godzilla |
| 16:48.14 | tristanbob | wait, what is that rumbing sound... |
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| 16:49.31 | dataw0lf | someone doing the rumba? |
| 16:52.04 | dmdavis | speaking of which, anyone here own a roomba? Are they as truly awesome as they seem? |
| 16:52.22 | dmdavis | there was one for sale on woot.com yesterday for $99, and I was tempted |
| 16:55.36 | elg | dmdavis: a prof here has one |
| 16:55.46 | elg | well, one without a vacuum. just the robot part |
| 16:56.02 | elg | he's hooking it up with an embedded board running linux with wifi |
| 16:56.21 | dmdavis | cool |
| 16:56.22 | tensai | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0847817/ |
| 16:56.24 | brac | [Helvetica (2007)] |
| 16:56.30 | tensai | a movie about a font. seriously. |
| 16:56.33 | elg | they're pretty cool to play with |
| 16:57.05 | nick125 | Yay, these dumb idiots couldn't be nice enough to put the phone number on the form. |
| 16:57.10 | dmdavis | tensai: wow, I thought you were just joking about the title. but no, it really is about typography |
| 16:57.23 | tensai | dmdavis: that's what I thought too |
| 16:57.25 | dmdavis | elg: yeah, it seems like it would be lots of fun |
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| 17:14.30 | findlay-w | it's near Christmastime. Do you know what that means? |
| 17:14.53 | findlay-w | it means that findlay gets to play chamber music with his family |
| 17:15.31 | findlay-w | Tschaikowsky, Schubert, Mozart, and maybe even some Beethoven this time |
| 17:20.40 | bonez45 | how would I change my color pallet\te...without driving the resolution higher? |
| 17:21.18 | bonez45 | would that be through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? or can I do it some other way? I think the colors on this box are set to very low....as some colors are washed out.... |
| 17:27.21 | dmdavis | findlay-w: that sounds awesome. what do you play? |
| 17:27.55 | findlay-w | I play the viola |
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| 17:34.26 | bonez45 | findlay-w: not a pink floyd fan, are ya? |
| 17:35.01 | findlay-w | man, lds.org's gospel library searching is incredibly annoyingly unfunctional |
| 17:35.09 | findlay-w | bonez45: no |
| 17:35.23 | dmdavis | bonez45: I don't think they have much chamber music :) |
| 17:36.14 | bonez45 | oh, reason I asked about PF is I have this David Gilmour DVD....has several songs on it....with this hot viola player...or is it cello....I forget.....the lady playing the stringed instrument....anyway...she looks like she has fun performing for Mr. Gilmour et al |
| 17:36.30 | bonez45 | dmdavis: they involve this one player.....true, they are NOT chamber music |
| 17:36.39 | findlay-w | although pink floyd is way nicer than most other stuff out there |
| 17:37.17 | dmdavis | their music is very dark, but oh so cool :) |
| 17:37.23 | dmdavis | if only they sang more about butterflies and less about insanity |
| 17:38.13 | bonez45 | findlay-w: PF is talent.....raw great talent.....not like the crap that showed up on the music awards a couple nights ago..I just fail to see where the talent lies..in the sh____t that is being produced today and labeled as "music" |
| 17:39.36 | findlay-w | I have to say they are one of the few bands that don't start to destroy my brain tissue after a few minutes exposure |
| 17:41.23 | bonez45 | there ya go.....I could listen over and over and over..and I HAVE......my three boys...ages 11, 9 and 7 can sing most of their mainline tunes.....due to their exposure...to my music listening |
| 17:44.45 | bonez45 | is that good or dangerous? |
| 17:45.03 | bonez45 | for my boys? and their ears? I dont' listen really loud, but what we hear is good music |
| 17:47.37 | findlay-w | PF isn't generally loud though |
| 17:47.59 | bonez45 | true..they don't have to be loud to be good....... |
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| 18:34.52 | rsimpkins | findlay-w: The RSS-feed from findlay seems to be broken, due to " 110 Connection timed out". |
| 18:35.19 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: The RSS-feed from dataw0lf seems to be broken, due to "404 Not Found". |
| 18:35.47 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: The RSS-feed from fozz seems to be broken, due to an error "no element found" on line 1 |
| 19:05.08 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: On the PLUG site? |
| 19:05.35 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Yeah. |
| 19:05.44 | rsimpkins | Let me know if you have a different feed and I'll update it. |
| 19:06.15 | fozzmoo | http://www.fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/atom.xml |
| 19:06.17 | fozzmoo | Try that |
| 19:11.08 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Looks like that did it, thanks. |
| 19:12.10 | elg | awesome. amazon is selling an electronic paper reader |
| 19:12.19 | elg | $400 - still way too expensive. but the wave has begun |
| 19:12.30 | rsimpkins | electronic paper reader. |
| 19:12.42 | rsimpkins | so - it electronically reads paper? |
| 19:12.52 | rsimpkins | Like, you put it on your paper and it reads it? |
| 19:14.30 | elg | ebook reader with an epaper display |
| 19:14.39 | rsimpkins | What is epaper? |
| 19:14.56 | rsimpkins | epaper == lcd screen? |
| 19:15.00 | elg | no |
| 19:15.16 | elg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_paper |
| 19:15.28 | elg | no backlight |
| 19:15.34 | rsimpkins | I see. |
| 19:15.42 | rsimpkins | So you can turn the pages and stuff? |
| 19:16.02 | elg | that's the biggest differentiator. makes it more like reading real paper, which in case you haven't noticed is much nicer on the eyes |
| 19:16.04 | rsimpkins | Or do you only get one piece of paper? |
| 19:16.06 | elg | no, it's still a display |
| 19:16.31 | rsimpkins | So can you turn on a backlight if you want one? |
| 19:16.38 | rsimpkins | Like - if you wanna read in dim light? |
| 19:17.28 | elg | dunno. maybe. like putting a light behind the page of your newspaper |
| 19:17.31 | rsimpkins | 'capable of holding text and images indefinitely without drawing electricity' << okay - that's a killer feature. |
| 19:17.54 | rsimpkins | So you only use your battery when you 'change' pages. |
| 19:17.57 | elg | i think i'd prefer the light from the front though |
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| 19:36.56 | bonez45 | quick question.....I think I am reformatting my spare linux box.....it has 400 gb drive....I ran out of / space....curious about suggestions on how large to make /, /home and whether I should make separate partitions for other folders or not? |
| 19:37.05 | bonez45 | any suggestions on how to carve a drive? |
| 19:42.44 | elg | the easiest is to not |
| 19:43.19 | elg | the second easiest is to contain whatever might otherwise grow without bound, and put the rest in one partition for / |
| 19:43.59 | elg | e.g. if you are filling 400GB you are obviously dealing with some disk-hungry apps (like video). decide how much you need for it |
| 19:51.10 | rsimpkins | Everyone wave at timinator. :) |
| 19:51.31 | timinator | ty rsimpkins |
| 19:51.41 | rsimpkins | lunch time. |
| 19:52.04 | rsimpkins | I am so out of it today. |
| 19:52.30 | timinator | that's cause I've monopolized your day w/ email server stuff |
| 19:52.32 | timinator | :) |
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| 20:27.35 | brac | [~ |
| 20:27.35 | brac | ~say If you sow your wild oats, hope for a crop failure. |
| 20:27.36 | ibot | If you sow your wild oats, hope for a crop failure. |
| 20:27.36 | brac | ~] |
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| 20:28.18 | levi | elg: The Amazon e-reader seems somewhat less than awesome to me, but hopefully it'll drive costs of such devices down. |
| 20:28.34 | Sargun | How much is it? |
| 20:29.08 | rsimpkins | Someone said $400. |
| 20:29.11 | rsimpkins | elg. |
| 20:29.18 | levi | Yes, it's $400. |
| 20:29.40 | rsimpkins | Is it the epaper that is expensive then? |
| 20:29.53 | RyanE | yeah, epaper is not popular enough to be cheap |
| 20:29.54 | RyanE | yet |
| 20:30.01 | levi | And books are drm'd, though you can transfer free stuff to it via a cable if you convert it to the right format first. |
| 20:30.04 | levi | It doesn't do pdf. |
| 20:30.18 | levi | It does give you 'free' EVDO data access, though. |
| 20:30.19 | rsimpkins | Not doing PDF is a big draw-back. |
| 20:30.27 | elg | really? that's dumb |
| 20:30.35 | elg | but by the time the price comes down, something will be doing pdf :) |
| 20:30.50 | Sargun | Linux, is there linux on it yet? |
| 20:30.51 | levi | And, for a fee, you can email stuff to Amazon and they'll convert it and wirelessly send it to your gadget. |
| 20:30.57 | levi | Sargun: No. |
| 20:30.59 | RyanE | gee, nice. |
| 20:31.07 | levi | Well, it's like $0.10 |
| 20:31.28 | levi | They also charge you for blog subscriptions. |
| 20:31.43 | levi | I assume these charges are to subsidize the EVDO access. |
| 20:31.43 | RyanE | yeah, time to write something that mimcs that. |
| 20:32.06 | RyanE | so is the EVDO limited in the sites it can go to? |
| 20:32.19 | RyanE | or is there no browser, other than the 'ebook' browser? |
| 20:32.25 | elg | must be. "free wikipedia access" |
| 20:32.38 | levi | Well, it has a web browser, but it is not a full-featured browser. |
| 20:32.47 | Sargun | elg, that makes it worth it automatically. |
| 20:32.55 | elg | hehe |
| 20:32.57 | Sargun | An encyclopedia the size of wikipedia |
| 20:33.03 | Sargun | is like $800. |
| 20:33.12 | Sargun | Of course "that's forever" |
| 20:33.15 | elg | and in color |
| 20:33.17 | Sargun | and no load time |
| 20:33.18 | levi | And you have to run down the batteries with the EVDO radio to use it, whereas if you get the stuff downloaded, you use much less battery. |
| 20:33.19 | Sargun | that too. |
| 20:34.14 | RyanE | I'm sure they probably have Project Gutenberg access too. |
| 20:34.29 | levi | I dunno about that one. |
| 20:34.59 | Sargun | that's cool. |
| 20:35.03 | levi | I mean, I'm sure you could download Project Gutenberg texts, but I doubt they make it particularly easy. |
| 20:35.26 | elg | why should they? gutenberg texts are UGLY |
| 20:35.30 | elg | the frontmatter anyway |
| 20:35.32 | elg | which is like 10 pages |
| 20:36.11 | elg | and the rest, the text, isn't formatted (just ASCII), so it wouldn't show off their pretty interface |
| 20:36.22 | elg | gutenberg is great, but it ain't a showpiece |
| 20:36.49 | RyanE | elg: you could probably stylize the text as it's imported to the device. |
| 20:37.00 | levi | elg: I think they use the MobiPocket format or something like that, which isn't much better than plain text with organizational markup. |
| 20:37.09 | elg | sure, if gutenberg was the least bit standardized |
| 20:37.22 | elg | you can do a lot with organizational markup |
| 20:37.25 | RyanE | it is standardized, just the standard doesn't include any markup. :) |
| 20:37.49 | elg | which means people use ASCII "markup" |
| 20:38.08 | elg | which is fine for ASCII-enabled humans but very difficult to convert into a rich format programmatically |
| 20:46.29 | levi | Anyway, Kindle appears to be a hot seller. I hear they sold out in 5.5 hours. |
| 20:46.57 | levi | I wouldn't mind giving one a test-drive, but I wouldn't shell out $400 without knowing how I'd like it first. |
| 20:50.47 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.03 | Sargun | Does it have a mic? |
| 20:51.19 | Sargun | If the OS had some alterations (maybe run Google's android? ;-P) I'd buy it in a blink of an eye |
| 20:51.31 | Sargun | I wonder how they got away with having a cell modem |
| 20:51.41 | Sargun | but no 911 capabilities ? |
| 20:52.38 | levi | I don't think there's any voice capability at all. |
| 20:52.55 | levi | And I don't think a traditional GUI would work well with e-ink. |
| 20:53.00 | Sargun | It supports .mp3 so it has speakers. |
| 20:53.04 | levi | The refresh rate is... abysmal. |
| 20:53.09 | Sargun | :-( |
| 20:53.21 | Sargun | So, what does the Kindle have over the OLPC? |
| 20:53.25 | Sargun | Other than battery life. |
| 20:53.45 | levi | That's one of the things that bugged me about the Sony reader I tried at CompUSA. |
| 20:54.09 | levi | When you hit the 'next page' button, the screen flashes and it takes about half a second for the next page to appear. |
| 20:55.25 | RyanE | levi: do you know if that's an artifact of it being epaper technology, or just a bad implementation? |
| 20:55.48 | RyanE | i.e. does epaper have to 'full clear' before putting something else on? |
| 20:57.59 | Keighvin | The next revision of the Sony reader is supposed to be much faster on the refresh. |
| 20:58.15 | Keighvin | The kindle does not have speakers - only a headphone jack. |
| 20:58.29 | levi | RyanE: I'm not sure, but the Kindle video I watched looked like it had the same refresh artifact. |
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| 20:58.33 | brac | ~lart went |
| 20:58.33 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on went |
| 21:00.51 | Keighvin | That's a property of the e-ink display - by sending the inverse image they can clear up a lot of the ghosting that would otherwise occur. |
| 21:01.25 | Keighvin | eInk is messy, it doesn't snap to states with the same claredi as LCD. |
| 21:04.22 | Keighvin | Er, clarity. Good grief. |
| 21:04.36 | Keighvin | claredi is the name of an internal product here that I spend way too much time with. |
| 21:07.12 | Sargun | heh. |
| 21:07.19 | Sargun | Claredi |
| 21:07.22 | Sargun | Where do you work? |
| 21:07.38 | Keighvin | In the EDI division of Ingenix. |
| 21:08.06 | Sargun | Neat. |
| 21:08.51 | Sargun | You help design technology to prevent people from dying? |
| 21:08.58 | Sargun | or being impaired |
| 21:09.36 | Keighvin | Neither, I'm afraid. |
| 21:10.24 | Sargun | ah |
| 21:16.48 | RyanE | Keighvin: you work for UHG? |
| 21:17.03 | RyanE | should've read above... duh. |
| 21:17.14 | Keighvin | Yeah, why? |
| 21:17.40 | RyanE | I left Claredi about a year before it was purchased. |
| 21:18.01 | Keighvin | You didn't miss much. |
| 21:18.10 | RyanE | how long you been at Ingenix? Since Medicode days? |
| 21:18.17 | Sargun | heh |
| 21:18.25 | Keighvin | No, started here in May. |
| 21:18.34 | RyanE | Keighvin: yeah, I have a knack for leaving just in time. :) |
| 21:26.31 | Keighvin | I usually try to stay on too long and bring the company down from the inside. |
| 21:27.29 | Sargun | heh |
| 21:28.38 | beandog | ok |
| 21:28.45 | beandog | how in the free world do I install a package on RH |
| 21:28.49 | beandog | Its been freaking 4 years. |
| 21:29.44 | RyanE | First you install Ubuntu, then apt-get install <package> ;) |
| 21:31.10 | dataw0lf | with yum |
| 21:31.21 | gillyboat | yum install <package> |
| 21:31.42 | beandog | RH has yum? ok |
| 21:31.46 | beandog | I needs imagemagick |
| 21:31.55 | beandog | gotta mogrify my unicorn collection. |
| 21:32.55 | beandog | no yum. |
| 21:33.21 | levi | Step 1: Find the yum RPM |
| 21:33.26 | beandog | Ive got up2date |
| 21:33.37 | levi | (or apt-get RPM, if you'd prefer) |
| 21:34.45 | beandog | hmm |
| 21:34.57 | beandog | ok |
| 21:35.16 | levi | Or, you could find the RPM you want, find its dependencies, etc. |
| 21:35.45 | levi | imagemagick probably doesn't have a whole lot of dependencies, if you find an RPM built for your version of RH. |
| 21:36.20 | beandog | thats not gonna break anything if I install yum is it |
| 21:37.44 | dataw0lf | Doubtful, but you never really know, do you? Just make sure you have the right rpm build. |
| 21:38.24 | Sargun | yum install -y imagemagick |
| 21:38.30 | Sargun | beandog, Use the RHN |
| 21:38.33 | levi | (this is why you don't use an OS that doesn't have yum or apt-get or something similar pre-installed) |
| 21:38.37 | Sargun | search for imagemagick |
| 21:38.42 | Sargun | emerge imagemagick! |
| 21:39.02 | levi | 'emerge' works too, if you're a Gentoo freak. |
| 21:39.28 | levi | I seriously doubt someone who runs a crufty old RH would appreciate Gentoo, though. ;) |
| 21:39.43 | dataw0lf | beandog is a Gentoo person. |
| 21:39.54 | dataw0lf | if you can call a Gentoo user a 'person', that is. |
| 21:43.13 | Sargun | findlay, is a Gentoo... |
| 21:43.15 | Sargun | Thing... |
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| 21:44.05 | levi | So, anyone have an nVidia GeForce 7200-based card? |
| 21:50.37 | RyanE | 7600 close enough? |
| 21:50.52 | levi | Well, I assume a 7600 would be significantly faster. |
| 21:51.34 | RyanE | I dunno. I got it principally because it was fanless. I likey the quiet PC these days. |
| 21:52.10 | levi | What do you think of the 7600? |
| 21:52.12 | dataw0lf | you'd think that you're getting old enough to start losing your hearing, RyanE, and it would have the opposite effect. |
| 21:52.39 | RyanE | I'm not a heavy gamer, it works fine. It does beryl well (when I turn it on), and it's worked for everything I've tried. |
| 21:52.59 | RyanE | dataw0lf: yeah, I had the big 4-0 a month ago. You'd think. |
| 21:53.10 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 21:53.12 | dataw0lf | just messing |
| 21:53.14 | levi | I'm thinking of getting a 7200-based card for the PC I'm making for my father-in-law. |
| 21:53.18 | dataw0lf | 40 is the new 30. Or so I hear. |
| 21:53.29 | RyanE | yeah, and fat is the new thin, so I'm set. :) |
| 21:53.33 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 21:53.35 | levi | The on-board video is some SiS crap. |
| 21:54.03 | dataw0lf | levi: what's your father-in-law going to use the box for? |
| 21:54.25 | levi | dataw0lf: Mostly desktop apps, web browsing, etc. |
| 21:54.54 | dataw0lf | levi: I'm sure the 7200 would be fine. |
| 21:55.13 | RyanE | probably the SiS crap would be good enough if he's only doing that. :) |
| 21:55.19 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 21:55.20 | levi | dataw0lf: I'd just use the on-board video, but the Linux support for it seems so craptacular that it can't even display at a decent resolutions without nasty artifacts and frequent crashes. |
| 21:55.44 | dataw0lf | wow. Yea, the 7200 will be more than enough. |
| 21:56.04 | levi | The 7200 cards are in the mid $30s, so it's worth it. |
| 21:56.33 | RyanE | yeah, that's what the 5200's were last time I bought a card for a low-end machine. |
| 21:57.08 | levi | Should hopefully do a decent job of Google Earth, too. |
| 21:57.19 | RyanE | I would think so. |
| 21:57.38 | levi | Which doesn't seem too GPU-intensive, since I was able to run it with soft-GL. |
| 21:57.53 | dataw0lf | yea, my girlfriend has a video card of similar quality, and she runs Earth fine. |
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| 23:08.17 | bonez45 | is there an exim channel on freenode? anyone know where an active exim channel is? |
| 23:20.30 | rsimpkins | Have you tried #exim? |
| 23:21.31 | rsimpkins | 'PROCRASTINATORS OF THE WORLD UNITE... tomorrow... or whenever is good for you. Really anytime.' needs to be changed to 'PROCRASTINATORS OF THE WORLD UNITE... sorry, got this message out a little late. We united last week.' |
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| 23:42.25 | bonez39 | ok, I found #exim.....but it's dead there...anyone know just off the top, why exim4 could stop receiving email, but continue to send out just fine? |
| 23:51.33 | tensai | because receiving and sending are different |
| 23:52.58 | beandog | because giving is better than receiving. |
| 23:53.02 | beandog | merry christmas! |
| 23:53.13 | beandog | check your firewall |
| 23:54.51 | bonez39 | my firewall on my debian sarge system? |
| 23:54.58 | bonez39 | where would I check it? |
| 23:55.48 | bonez39 | I just swapped out old router and put in a new one yesterday.....and I set up ports 25 and 110 to route to my box where I process my email |