| 00:00.01 | Tene | ~poke Cubey |
| 00:00.02 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cubey, pokes Cubey repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 00:01.48 | rsimpkins | Woot! Swag and drinks at PLUG tonight. |
| 00:01.58 | rsimpkins | "omniture gift bags" no idea what is inside yet. |
| 00:01.59 | Jayce^ | sweet |
| 00:02.13 | dmdavis | omniture has some awesome magnets |
| 00:02.14 | rsimpkins | herlo mentioned pizza - but I don't want to put him on the spot. |
| 00:02.25 | dmdavis | the kind that are sticks and balls, you connect them to make neat structures |
| 00:02.32 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: I'll be there. |
| 00:02.33 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Geo-Mags. |
| 00:02.35 | sontek | as long as its not that place we always go to when we are at ostc |
| 00:02.38 | dmdavis | hopefully they'll give us some of those, cuz they rock |
| 00:02.40 | sontek | I don't like that pizza very much |
| 00:02.49 | rsimpkins | sontek: Which place is that? |
| 00:03.01 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Yeah, the geo mags are coveted. |
| 00:03.10 | sontek | rsimpkins: the one that makes weird pizza like 'thai pizza' |
| 00:03.28 | dmdavis | my coworker's wife works at omniture, so he's given me 3 sets to play with. You can make some cool things with 3 sets :) |
| 00:03.29 | Jayce^ | yeah, some pizza, from UTOS |
| 00:03.30 | rsimpkins | dmdavis: Some employees have multiple sets and have made some rather elaborate structures. |
| 00:03.51 | sontek | Jayce^: UTOS[F] ! |
| 00:03.52 | sontek | ;) |
| 00:03.59 | fozzmoo | FUTOS! |
| 00:04.08 | fozzmoo | I'm going to lobby clint for a name change. |
| 00:04.14 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: We are planning on food after the meeting - so a light dinner coudln't hurt. |
| 00:04.33 | fozzmoo | Orange chicken isn't "light." |
| 00:05.09 | dmdavis | it's Chinese food, right? should be out of your system before the meeting even starts. |
| 00:05.40 | neybar | rsimpkins: is Omniture going to be open for NUPM meetings? There isn't one for this month, we could continue to do it here at united, but it might be nice to meet in the same place |
| 00:05.55 | fozzmoo | dmdavis: heh. |
| 00:05.58 | Tene | dmdavis: I've never understood that... that's never held true for me at all... |
| 00:06.24 | fozzmoo | I can vouch for Tene: He eats a lot of chinese food and then just sits there... for hours, even! |
| 00:06.31 | dmdavis | Tene: to tell the truth, I've never noticed that either. that's just the conventional wisdom |
| 00:06.33 | rsimpkins | neybar: I'm not sure what we can do with NUPM yet. The logisitcs are a little up in the air right now. |
| 00:06.50 | Tene | fozzmoo: are you calling me lazy? ;) |
| 00:07.17 | fozzmoo | Tene: I'm just saying I've never seen you taking a series of fast little steps to the bathroom after eating a large amount of chinese food. |
| 00:07.34 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 00:08.15 | Tene | Hmm... chinese sounds good tonight. |
| 00:08.29 | fozzmoo | I seem to remember you just sit there... and occasionally say things like, "PHP sucks" or "Perl6 is gonna rock." |
| 00:08.48 | Tene | Heh. |
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| 00:09.37 | fozzmoo | Or "This Richard guy is a little weird." |
| 00:09.47 | Tene | Now I just sit here and occasionally say things like "Now we get to talk about squid." |
| 00:09.56 | fozzmoo | MMmm.m Calamari. |
| 00:10.20 | fozzmoo | I bet sontek would like some calamari pizza from that one place. ;-) |
| 00:22.12 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: What is the venue like where we're meeting at? |
| 00:25.44 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: http://plug.org/omniture |
| 00:26.35 | rsimpkins | We are still trying to work out the kinks. |
| 00:26.35 | rsimpkins | This first meeting is going to be a bit hard to park a laptop at I think. |
| 00:26.39 | rsimpkins | Unless you put it on your lap. :) |
| 00:26.57 | fozzmoo | I just wondered if it was going to be a conference room or more of a theater type room. |
| 00:27.08 | rsimpkins | yeah, more mass seating. |
| 00:27.24 | fozzmoo | Can I get power for video cameras? |
| 00:27.33 | rsimpkins | I'm sure we can figure somethign out. |
| 00:27.35 | fozzmoo | Or do I need to supply my own generator? |
| 00:27.59 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Bring an extension cord if you have one. I think there is one in there, but I'm not 100% positive. |
| 00:28.01 | fozzmoo | I'll bring some long cords. |
| 00:28.06 | fozzmoo | And some power strips. :) |
| 00:28.07 | rsimpkins | sounds good. |
| 00:29.01 | rsimpkins | For future meetings we can consider a conference room. |
| 00:29.11 | rsimpkins | Esspecially for very technical meetings. |
| 00:31.01 | rsimpkins | Someone needs to bring their /dev/random though. |
| 00:31.21 | rsimpkins | Unless we have 15 or less people show up we'll want to go random on the gift bags I think. |
| 00:31.27 | rsimpkins | I'm going to go see what is in them... :) |
| 00:36.32 | rsimpkins | geomags in the swag. |
| 00:36.38 | rsimpkins | Now I know you wanna come - cause those thigns are cool. |
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| 00:46.13 | brac | can you confirm that hardware works better for you as soon as you understand the question. |
| 00:46.36 | elg | yes, it does |
| 00:49.13 | QBFreak | ~lart Tene |
| 00:49.14 | ibot | slaps Tene upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 00:54.15 | elg | ok, spreadsheet gurus, can I say "give me the value of cell A10, or if that doesn't exist, A9, or ... A1" |
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| 01:15.07 | brac | in spite of your asterisk server, to download them for awhile I did ;-) |
| 01:19.27 | sinuhe | elg: which spreadsheet? |
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| 01:33.56 | brac | dataw0lf takes the transaction, duplicates it, modifies what is happening? |
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| 02:15.08 | levi | -chat |
| 02:15.10 | brac | That would cause trouble |
| 02:15.23 | levi | -chat |
| 02:15.25 | brac | Excuse me if there are a pains |
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| 02:19.02 | brac | use me as odd as the -f for iconv produced *almost* identical files, but it's written in C |
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| 03:09.02 | levi | Anyone here at PLUG? |
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| 03:10.15 | Sargun | anyone in here play with phones |
| 03:16.34 | levi | Must not be any network there. |
| 03:17.33 | Sargun | Heh. |
| 03:18.48 | pjw | I'm at plug |
| 03:18.52 | dmdavis | me too |
| 03:19.38 | Sargun | PLUG is neat. |
| 03:19.45 | Sargun | Second wednesday of the month. |
| 03:24.17 | levi | Is anyone else there? |
| 03:24.27 | levi | Is it winding down, or is it worth going to still? |
| 03:24.46 | dmdavis | hmm |
| 03:24.58 | levi | (finishing up class) |
| 03:25.00 | dmdavis | we're almost done with the current slide, but I don't know how many more there are |
| 03:25.26 | dmdavis | I'd guess the presentation is close to done, but there will still be mingling :) |
| 03:25.53 | levi | OK, I'll probably head over then. |
| 03:26.03 | dmdavis | I think the door is locked |
| 03:26.08 | dmdavis | if it is, call me at 592-5937 |
| 03:26.16 | levi | Will do. |
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| 03:26.53 | levi | vontrapp: It's not like the PLUG date changes a lot. :) |
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| 03:27.01 | vontrapp | it's not like i think about it a lot |
| 03:27.41 | levi | Well, come late like me. :) |
| 03:27.45 | vontrapp | besides, i have to stand on my principles |
| 03:27.54 | dmdavis | they're closing up right now, I think |
| 03:27.57 | vontrapp | i will not come unless my calendar tells me to! |
| 03:28.15 | vontrapp | :) |
| 03:29.54 | dmdavis | ah, pizza and drinks |
| 03:29.56 | dmdavis | hurry, levi |
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| 04:00.05 | Lakshmi | sargun |
| 04:00.10 | Lakshmi | ~find sargun |
| 04:00.14 | Lakshmi | ~smack sargun |
| 04:00.24 | ibot | ACTION smacks sargun upside the head. |
| 04:00.46 | vontrapp | ~smack sargun and find him |
| 04:00.47 | ibot | ACTION smacks sargun and find him upside the head. |
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| 04:23.40 | ender_x | hello.. |
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| 04:26.13 | Sargun | ender_x, Hello |
| 04:26.17 | Sargun | Salt Lake man. |
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| 04:26.50 | ender_x | hi there |
| 04:26.57 | linuxalien | Hi! |
| 04:27.06 | ender_x | kinda.. not so much slc.. as layton. |
| 04:27.24 | ender_x | hi linuxalian. |
| 04:28.16 | ender_x | so how is everyone? |
| 04:28.30 | linuxalien | Good. Just tired. hehe but not quite ready for sleep |
| 04:28.48 | vontrapp | active record should have a foreign_key type for columns |
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| 04:29.12 | ender_x | whatcha buildin vontrap? |
| 04:29.17 | ender_x | hello ibot. |
| 04:30.04 | vontrapp | which would just be set up the foreign key stuff in db's that support it |
| 04:30.38 | ender_x | anyone on utopia? |
| 04:31.14 | linuxalien | I wish |
| 04:31.20 | linuxalien | I'm on comcast right now |
| 04:31.27 | ender_x | yeah.. I wish too. |
| 04:31.51 | linuxalien | Ogden doesn't want to do the utopia thing. They're going for municipal wifi |
| 04:32.00 | ender_x | brad's prolly going to buy a utopia connection for his wifi projects up there. |
| 04:32.31 | ender_x | yeah.. doubt that'll be much. we made a bid on doing ogdens municipal wifi.. they didnt want to pay for jack. |
| 04:34.08 | linuxalien | wow, really? |
| 04:34.20 | linuxalien | hmmm I wonder if Xmission will do it then |
| 04:34.26 | linuxalien | Didn't they do some of SLC free? |
| 04:34.59 | Sargun | http://www.syslog.com/~jwilson/pics-i-like/000w2816.jpg |
| 04:36.13 | ender_x | what the? |
| 04:36.17 | ender_x | heh whats that? |
| 04:36.40 | ender_x | yeah.. xmission did kinda.. slc paid for it. |
| 04:37.27 | linuxalien | Well, if Ogden doesn't want to pay much, I wonder who will do it. I heard Xmission from someone but dunno. |
| 04:37.51 | ender_x | yeah they were the only other bidders. |
| 04:38.11 | ender_x | Ogden wanted to say FJ and xmission were in collaboration. |
| 04:38.49 | ender_x | sargun.. how perchance did you come across that? |
| 04:39.33 | linuxalien | It's too bad Google didn't bid as well. A while back there were rumors of google wifi |
| 04:40.21 | ender_x | yeah not rumors.. they did it in sanfran? |
| 04:43.30 | linuxalien | Oh nice. I was hoping they'd eventually do it everywhere. |
| 04:43.32 | Sargun | Not really |
| 04:43.38 | Sargun | they barely cover anything here. |
| 04:43.44 | linuxalien | Aww |
| 04:46.07 | ender_x | gentoo fan eh sargun? |
| 04:46.25 | Sargun | Yes.... |
| 04:46.45 | ender_x | been quite a while since I tried it. |
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| 04:47.03 | Sargun | it kicks butt |
| 04:47.22 | ender_x | :-) |
| 04:47.47 | ender_x | hello jottley. |
| 04:48.05 | jottley | hello ender_x |
| 04:54.29 | Sargun | it=Gentoo/Fiber/SDSL |
| 04:54.42 | Sargun | Why do we have new members of #utah |
| 04:54.53 | findlay | yay, gentoo |
| 04:54.54 | Sargun | Did someone pull a publicity stunt for PLUG? |
| 04:55.31 | linuxalien | dunno |
| 04:57.31 | findlay | Sargun: we're all here to assist in ensuring you don't detect that your reality is a fabrication |
| 04:57.48 | findlay | man, I feel awkward |
| 04:58.07 | findlay | I went to this Dvorak concert at BYU with the Utah Symphony |
| 04:58.37 | findlay | and after it was over I started talking to this guy who looked familliar, who I thought was a radio announcer for KBYU |
| 04:58.53 | Sargun | Dvorak? |
| 04:59.28 | Sargun | uhhh |
| 04:59.33 | Sargun | Where is the awkwardness in that? |
| 04:59.35 | ender_x | #utah channel linux poll: two votes for gentoo |
| 05:00.06 | vontrapp | lol! NEWS HEADLINE, This maverick sells beer on SUDNAY!! |
| 05:00.09 | vontrapp | must be a slow news day |
| 05:00.11 | Sargun | Three isn't it. |
| 05:00.15 | Sargun | ender_x, findlay and me. |
| 05:00.28 | ender_x | Two. not 3! :-) mandriva for me |
| 05:00.35 | Sargun | No, you like Gentoo. |
| 05:00.39 | ender_x | heh |
| 05:00.40 | Sargun | You do not like Mandriva. |
| 05:00.45 | ender_x | oh.. I get confused. |
| 05:00.58 | Sargun | This is not the Distribution you're thinking of :-P (Star wars) |
| 05:01.29 | linuxalien | Hehe |
| 05:01.41 | linuxalien | on the desktop |
| 05:01.46 | linuxalien | I've got OS X Tiger on the iBook |
| 05:04.28 | linuxalien | Mandriva has a cool thing called PLF or urpmi |
| 05:04.35 | linuxalien | Long live the penguin liberation front! |
| 05:06.42 | ender_x | ya.. urpmi/apt-get/yum/emerge/(whats the suse one) |
| 05:06.48 | ender_x | there all good.. |
| 05:06.52 | ender_x | urpmi is pretty fast. |
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| 05:07.38 | ender_x | hello dmdavis. |
| 05:08.04 | dmdavis | hi |
| 05:09.35 | linuxalien | I might run linux on my ibook someday. If it's still alive. |
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| 05:12.02 | bbeattie | what are the favorite asterisk carriers? |
| 05:12.02 | bbeattie | I've head some people talk about one that sounds something like velocity. |
| 05:14.28 | tensai | bbeattie: arrivaltel. I've never used them though so I have no first hand experience. |
| 05:15.19 | ender_x | bbeattie: I'm using voxee but not like production use |
| 05:17.36 | bbeattie | what's the one that sounds like velocity? |
| 05:18.08 | tensai | veracity? |
| 05:18.15 | bbeattie | I'm looking for something to play around with for now, and someone said the one that sounds like velocity was pretty decent. |
| 05:18.18 | bbeattie | that's it. |
| 05:18.24 | findlay | sorry for the delay |
| 05:18.43 | findlay | anyway, the guy turned out to be the director of the School of Music for BYU |
| 05:19.37 | findlay | and then I felt awkward |
| 05:20.21 | findlay | veracity? |
| 05:21.12 | Sargun | BYU! |
| 05:21.21 | findlay | ~BYU Sargun |
| 05:21.27 | ibot | ACTION draws a chalk circle around findlay |
| 05:21.44 | Sargun | ~kill findlay |
| 05:21.44 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoelectron gun at findlay |
| 05:21.45 | Sargun | ~mormon findlay |
| 05:21.49 | Sargun | ~religion findlay |
| 05:21.56 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 05:21.56 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down findlay's throat until findlay puts on 150lbs |
| 05:22.04 | Sargun | ~insult findlay |
| 05:22.13 | Sargun | ~zap findlay |
| 05:22.14 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives findlay a good jolt. |
| 05:22.20 | Sargun | ... |
| 05:22.40 | findlay | ibot: no BYU $Sargun is <reply> sends a gaggle of giggling freshmen BYU girls after $Sargun |
| 05:22.40 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 05:22.45 | findlay | ~BYU Sargun |
| 05:22.45 | ibot | sends a gaggle of giggling freshmen BYU girls after $Sargun |
| 05:22.54 | findlay | dude |
| 05:22.58 | Sargun | ? |
| 05:23.11 | findlay | ibot: no BYU $dude is <reply> sends a gaggle of giggling freshmen BYU girls after $dude |
| 05:23.11 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 05:23.14 | findlay | ~BYU Sargun |
| 05:23.15 | ibot | sends a gaggle of giggling freshmen BYU girls after Sargun |
| 05:23.19 | findlay | there |
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| 05:29.04 | findlay | ~BYU fozzmoo |
| 05:29.05 | ibot | sends a gaggle of giggling freshmen BYU girls after fozzmoo |
| 05:29.16 | fozzmoo | Poor girls. |
| 05:29.20 | findlay | oooh, aliteration |
| 05:29.24 | findlay | :) |
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| 05:31.49 | Sargun | heh |
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| 05:35.54 | findlay | ~random |
| 05:36.08 | findlay | ~cookie |
| 05:38.29 | findlay | ~stuff |
| 05:38.30 | ibot | ACTION is stuffing George* |
| 05:38.38 | findlay | -chat |
| 05:38.39 | brac | will do it |
| 05:38.47 | findlay | -chat Tene is |
| 05:38.48 | brac | Tene is very bad case of a non-technical early adopter, I guess |
| 05:38.53 | findlay | hmm |
| 05:42.12 | ender_x | ~zap findlay |
| 05:42.13 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives findlay a good jolt. |
| 05:42.32 | ender_x | !list |
| 05:42.33 | UtahBot | ender_x: Admin, Alias, Channel, Config, Factoids, Games, Google, Insult, Karma, Lart, Misc, Network, Nickometer, Owner, RSS, Seen, User, and Weather |
| 05:42.52 | ender_x | !Google cheese |
| 05:43.08 | ender_x | !weather |
| 05:43.09 | UtahBot | ender_x: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 05:43.19 | ender_x | !weather 84040 |
| 05:43.20 | UtahBot | ender_x: The current temperature in Ogden Hill AFB, Utah is 32.0°F (9:55 PM MST on November 14, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:43.40 | ender_x | !insult findlay |
| 05:43.41 | UtahBot | findlay - You are nothing but a ruttish ass-full of hasty-witted dung. |
| 05:44.22 | findlay | ~shakespeare ender_x |
| 05:44.22 | ibot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: ender_x - Would thou wert clean enough to spit upon! |
| 05:44.43 | levi | Hello |
| 05:44.49 | findlay | hey levi |
| 05:45.00 | dmdavis | levi: you make it for the pizza? |
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| 06:03.10 | dmdavis | levi: well, I hope you made it to the meeting |
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| 06:03.59 | findlay | guess I missed the state of utoss |
| 06:04.15 | sontek | findlay: you are wasting your life away with the devils music! |
| 06:04.32 | findlay | ~waste sontek |
| 06:08.49 | tensai | ibot: no BYU $findlay is <action> sends a gaggle of giggling freshmen BYU girls after $findlay |
| 06:08.49 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 06:12.03 | findlay | just wanted to get my nick in there somehow? :) |
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| 06:26.44 | Lakshmi | nothing |
| 06:26.46 | Lakshmi | u? |
| 06:27.11 | findlay | none |
| 06:27.54 | fozzmoo | niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice |
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| 06:28.03 | findlay | ha |
| 06:29.19 | herlo | fozzmoo: how'd the vids come out? |
| 06:29.29 | fozzmoo | I dunno. I haven't looked yet. |
| 06:29.35 | fozzmoo | I'm editing a UTOSC interview right now, tho |
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| 06:35.08 | rsimpkins | Thanks everyone for helping out/coming to PLUG tonight. |
| 06:35.22 | rsimpkins | It seemed that everyone had a good time until we had to kick you out! :) |
| 06:37.04 | fozzmoo | You're welcome. |
| 06:37.17 | fozzmoo | Nice place to have a meeting, btw. |
| 06:37.28 | fozzmoo | Make sure the PTB know we appreciate it. |
| 06:37.57 | rsimpkins | It took a lot of people behind the scenes at OMTR to pull it off, so I'll for sure be sending out thanks. |
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| 06:40.20 | levi | I keep getting this weird interaction between irssi and screen that locks up that one particular screen window. |
| 06:41.06 | Tene | levi: are you accidentally pressing ctrl+s ? |
| 06:41.16 | rsimpkins | levi: Do you have a funky irssi theme? |
| 06:48.53 | levi | Tene: Nope. |
| 06:48.56 | levi | rsimpkins: Nope. |
| 06:49.33 | Tene | levi: are you accidentally pressing ctrl+a,s ? |
| 06:49.52 | levi | I know XON counteracts XOFF, so I always try that if it locks up just in case. |
| 06:50.05 | Tene | levi: screen has its own XON XOFF stuff |
| 06:50.07 | levi | This time, I think I was just pressing PGUP and PGDOWN |
| 06:50.11 | Tene | in addition |
| 06:50.14 | Tene | hmm. |
| 06:50.29 | fozzmoo | levi: Don't press PGUP or PGDN |
| 06:50.32 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 06:50.48 | levi | After I killed irssi, it remained locked for a while. Then I started irssi in another window and the old one unlocked. |
| 06:55.38 | findlay | you unlocked irssi? |
| 06:55.49 | levi | No, the old window unlocked. |
| 06:56.07 | findlay | and then you got the treasure? |
| 06:57.30 | fozzmoo | ~thwack findlay |
| 06:57.35 | ibot | ACTION smacks findlay on the head with a Holy Bible |
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| 07:04.03 | findlay | argh, yer intertubes be mean when it comes to the unlocked treasure, matey! |
| 07:04.34 | findlay | ~onjoin levi |
| 07:04.34 | ibot | onjoin for levi set by supaplex on Mon Oct 1 22:36:59 2007: levi: ARRRG! Your packets be dropping from your leaky tubes! |
| 07:04.44 | findlay | ~pirate yesterday |
| 07:25.46 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 08:12.31 | Lakshmi | nothing |
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| 08:42.28 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.57 | Sargun | /win12 |
| 08:45.15 | Supaplex | it's called a typo |
| 08:45.17 | Sargun | Mhmm, brains. |
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| 08:59.30 | Sargun | shutup. |
| 09:02.00 | Supaplex | ~ignore Sargun |
| 09:02.00 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Sargun!" |
| 09:16.52 | Lakshmi | ~smack sargun |
| 09:16.53 | ibot | ACTION smacks sargun upside the head. |
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| 13:18.13 | brac | extras is dynamic. People are dumb enough to whip your laptop to turn minutes and 46 seconds ago, quiting IRC (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by peer means that it is in use, but at £75.00 I might write it without your help after all, we acknowledge societies right to |
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| 15:47.43 | goozbach | but I don't want to be pointy dmdavis |
| 15:51.50 | dmdavis | ? |
| 15:52.34 | dmdavis | I'm not sure I understand... |
| 15:52.41 | dmdavis | -chat |
| 15:52.42 | brac | who's that shouting, "Jayce^ the operator!"? All he ever talk about Fortress. |
| 15:52.58 | tensai | ~fortress Jayce^ |
| 15:53.03 | redbeard2 | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:53.03 | ibot | whips Jayce^ with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 15:53.16 | redbeard2 | ~shout Jayce^ |
| 15:53.30 | redbeard2 | ~migs Jayce^ |
| 15:53.31 | ibot | ACTION forces Jayce^ to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 15:53.39 | dmdavis | look what you inspired, brac |
| 15:54.09 | redbeard2 | ~inspire brac |
| 15:54.22 | redbeard2 | -inspire brac |
| 15:54.31 | redbeard2 | oh well |
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| 15:58.49 | tensai | ugh. sales calls. |
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| 16:10.55 | elg | that Jayce^, always talking about Fortress |
| 16:13.48 | redbeard2 | ~sell Jayce^ |
| 16:13.49 | ibot | ACTION gives Jayce^ to the nearest poor soul and pays them a quid. jbot runs away. |
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| 16:25.25 | Jayce^ | Fortress |
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| 16:30.13 | levi | Fortress, Guy Steele's new language? ;) |
| 16:31.05 | findlay-w | it amuses me that those chain email messages *still* get forwarded around the general intarwebs. Aren't they like sooo 1995? |
| 16:31.28 | goozbach | http://www.instigatorblog.com/exposed-the-pros-and-cons-of-freelancing/2007/10/31/ |
| 16:31.59 | goozbach | dmdavis: I now know why you are confused, my first email to PLUG got returned. |
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| 16:34.47 | levi | findlay-w: You're lucky you only get one every once in a while. I'm sure stupid chain emails are second only to spam in email volume. :P |
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| 17:04.16 | brac | but reversed |
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| 17:43.17 | dmdavis | goozbach: the real reason I was confused is that I wasn't looking at my email until just now. :) I get it now! |
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| 17:50.29 | dmdavis | goozbach: I get the pointy reference now. :) I saw the email |
| 17:50.55 | decriptor | ryan you around? |
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| 18:05.58 | shadowwire | Whats up? |
| 18:06.09 | RyanE | depends on which ryan. |
| 18:11.01 | shadowwire | ~which ryan |
| 18:11.42 | shadowwire | Hey RyanE, Is anyone else here? |
| 18:14.23 | thaddeusq | RyanE: I believe decriptor meant rsimpkins |
| 18:16.17 | findlay-w | so, this is funny |
| 18:16.36 | goozbach | findlay-w: what what? |
| 18:17.01 | findlay-w | there's all this promotional stuff about this copier about how it can do LDAP and print/scan to FTP or print to URL and stuff |
| 18:18.02 | findlay-w | but the UI is crap and won't let me enter a single IP address then I decide that maybe they want you to do that from their crap windows program, so I go and google "crap sharp program" |
| 18:18.19 | findlay-w | but all I get on that is more promotional stuff about how great it is |
| 18:18.54 | findlay-w | I wouldn't be surprised if they expected you to *buy* crap Sharp(R) program |
| 18:19.46 | findlay-w | for $499.99 |
| 18:20.35 | findlay-w | thus, I am exceedingly diverted |
| 18:23.17 | tensai | findlay-w: it didn't come with the copier? |
| 18:23.26 | findlay-w | tensai: not that I can see |
| 18:23.54 | findlay-w | we've had it for a while |
| 18:23.54 | findlay-w | I guess I'll be calling our supplier tomorrow |
| 18:23.54 | tensai | perhaps it's on the copier itself. if you could just get FTP set up you could check. |
| 18:24.30 | findlay-w | perhaps, but I'm no copy machine UI guru |
| 18:24.36 | findlay-w | so, I failed |
| 18:24.42 | findlay-w | or it failed |
| 18:24.48 | Tene | ibot: findlay-w is also a failure |
| 18:24.48 | ibot | okay, Tene |
| 18:25.01 | findlay-w | ibot: it is also a failure |
| 18:25.02 | ibot | So we want to be stupid, right, is also a failure ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 18:25.29 | maquis | wow... i actually remember the conversation that the second half of that was from |
| 18:25.34 | maquis | -chat |
| 18:25.34 | brac | dirt cheap! |
| 18:25.39 | maquis | -chat |
| 18:25.40 | brac | I won't bother responding to my knowledge of Java for this wedding!!! |
| 18:25.42 | findlay-w | -chat remember |
| 18:25.42 | brac | remember is the only thing you can also void said contracts |
| 18:26.01 | maquis | -chat |
| 18:26.01 | brac | make -C SUBDIRS=/usr/src/zaptel-trunk clean |
| 18:26.11 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 18:26.11 | brac | maquis is looking to mass-convert family tree browser |
| 18:26.16 | findlay-w | heh |
| 18:26.17 | maquis | -chat findlay |
| 18:26.18 | brac | findlay did it the director's commentary |
| 18:26.20 | findlay-w | -chat findlay-w |
| 18:26.20 | brac | findlay-w was |
| 18:26.33 | findlay-w | -chat tensai |
| 18:26.34 | brac | tensai had a name |
| 18:26.35 | maquis | -chat emcnabb |
| 18:26.35 | findlay-w | -chat Tene |
| 18:26.35 | brac | emcnabb is currently unknown, but it's still a ton, but interesting and understandable. I haven't been following it |
| 18:26.36 | brac | Tene went to one of those servers can be wierd |
| 18:26.54 | findlay-w | well |
| 18:26.55 | maquis | -chat ibot |
| 18:26.55 | brac | ibot had |
| 18:26.59 | Tene | -chat maquis |
| 18:27.00 | brac | maquis went to the shop to have SLRs |
| 18:27.08 | maquis | pretty close |
| 18:27.10 | maquis | i'd like a dslr |
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| 18:55.01 | tensai | elg: yes I like cherry picking. hard to make cherry pie without picking the cherries first. |
| 18:55.39 | elg | ~pick tensai |
| 18:56.00 | elg | ~cherry tensai |
| 18:56.03 | elg | ~bake tensai |
| 18:56.04 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook tensai, elg |
| 18:56.10 | elg | thanks, ibot |
| 18:56.12 | elg | ~cook tensai |
| 18:56.12 | ibot | ACTION throws tensai in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks tensai on 350 for an hour |
| 18:58.35 | tensai | ~cherry $elg is <action> loads cherries into a paintball gun and pummels $elg |
| 18:58.36 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 19:00.07 | tensai | ~pick $elg is <action> carefully extracts the boogers from $elg's nose and feeds them to $randnick |
| 19:00.07 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 19:01.13 | elg | ~pick tensai |
| 19:01.14 | ibot | ACTION carefully extracts the boogers from tensai's nose and feeds them to goozbach |
| 19:01.25 | maquis | eew!!!!! |
| 19:04.49 | elg | ~pick maquis |
| 19:04.50 | ibot | ACTION carefully extracts the boogers from maquis's nose and feeds them to mrpull |
| 19:08.46 | maquis | ick |
| 19:08.50 | maquis | ~pick elg |
| 19:08.51 | ibot | ACTION carefully extracts the boogers from elg's nose and feeds them to bmidgley |
| 19:12.20 | elg | what's this? stamps.com sent me a CD, and the jacket says "Special offer $100 value! $45 i npostage, digital scale ($50 value), $5 supplies kit. 4-week trial! no risk, cancel anytime" |
| 19:12.36 | elg | "no risk and no upfront costs" |
| 19:12.57 | elg | so am I reading this right? if i sign up for their free trial I get a scale? do I have to send it back if I cancel? |
| 19:16.34 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 19:17.45 | elg | as if I would subscribe to stamps.com. I send about $2 of mail a month |
| 19:21.23 | Tene | I send about $0 of mail per month. |
| 19:22.16 | dataw0lf | the digis they sell you will probably be crappy, though, elg |
| 19:22.28 | dataw0lf | I'd just go to a headshop and get a decent one for fifty bucks. |
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| 19:26.14 | tensai | elg: I'm trying to find the terms of the deal on their site, but it seems to you have to sign up first |
| 19:26.25 | dataw0lf | Sargun: well, that's rather crass. |
| 19:27.00 | tensai | elg: http://www.stamps.com/img/offer/Pro_5pa_1030wc_1060wc_scfree_wk35/webreg2-learn-more.html |
| 19:27.19 | tensai | "As a new Stamps.com customer you will receive a FREE 5 lb. Digital Scale. The scale is a $50 value and is yours to keep with no additional obligation. Just pay for shipping and handling." |
| 19:27.29 | Tene | http://qdb.us/110042 -- entertaining. |
| 19:27.32 | brac | [QDB: Quote #110042] |
| 19:35.32 | elg | tensai: but if i sign up for the free trial, am I "a new Stamps.com customer"? |
| 19:35.52 | elg | and how much is S&H? |
| 19:36.13 | elg | there just isn't enough info. I'll see what they say to my emial |
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| 19:43.22 | Supaplex | I bought a 35lb scale from ebay for chump change. I'd let stamps.com keep their crummy 5lb scale. :P |
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| 19:47.12 | elg | how heavy you can weigh is hardly the discriminating factor for me |
| 19:47.24 | elg | it's how precise it can be |
| 19:47.35 | Supaplex | mine does 0.1 oz increments |
| 19:47.50 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't put much faith into a mail delivery gift for precision |
| 19:48.10 | elg | well, i wouldn't either |
| 19:48.14 | dataw0lf | i have a 5 lb digital scale that measures down to a hundredth, I spent about 90 dollars on it. |
| 19:48.24 | elg | 1g would be good enough |
| 19:48.30 | elg | the one I have now (a few years old) does 5g |
| 19:48.48 | elg | how accurate does postage need to be? |
| 19:48.50 | Supaplex | for mail 0.1oz resolution is plenty :) |
| 19:49.20 | elg | 0.1oz is not quite 3 grams. no better for me than my current 5g |
| 19:49.49 | Supaplex | but again, for mail? |
| 19:50.03 | Supaplex | if you already have one, keep using it |
| 19:50.33 | tensai | elg: you get this one and send me your old one. I'll even let you pay S&H for both! |
| 19:52.11 | elg | hehe |
| 19:52.52 | elg | tensai is right, it's baking I'm thinking of. 5g is plenty for weighing flour, water, sugar, etc. but if I had a 1g scale I could weigh salt and yeast too |
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| 19:58.05 | Lakshmi | nm you? |
| 20:07.27 | Sargun | Today's XKCD is neato |
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| 20:14.08 | Lakshmi | nmnm |
| 20:20.13 | elg | heh. "One hot tip: if you spot a bug which is being ignored, send a |
| 20:20.14 | elg | completely botched fix to the mailing list. This causes thousands of |
| 20:20.14 | elg | kernel developers to rally to the cause. Nobody knows why this |
| 20:20.14 | elg | happens. (I really have deliberately done this several times. It works)." |
| 20:20.18 | elg | (Andrew Morton) |
| 20:37.56 | Supaplex | lol |
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| 20:57.40 | nick125 | Anyone want to read the first chapter of my mini-Python book that I'm writing for no apparent reason (other than to do it)? |
| 20:58.52 | nick125 | http://spitty.nick125.com/~nick/tmp/pytut.pdf |
| 20:59.19 | Supaplex | does it suit a, I've heard of python and understand a little, but don't use it, audiance? :) I guess I'll look and see. |
| 21:00.03 | nick125 | I'd appreciate some constructive criticism on it (or any wishes that'd you like to see) :-) |
| 21:01.03 | Supaplex | alighty. It's on my idle priority thread atm. have a few issues to chase down first :) |
| 21:01.17 | nick125 | haha, you're multithreaded? |
| 21:01.37 | Supaplex | who isn't? ;) |
| 21:03.37 | dataw0lf | nick125: besides some spelling/grammatical errors, and the lack of any real content, yea, it's uh, fine. |
| 21:03.56 | nick125 | dataw0lf: Hey, it's a first draft. |
| 21:04.21 | dataw0lf | you wanted criticism. |
| 21:05.00 | nick125 | It'd be nice if nano had spell checking. |
| 21:05.23 | Supaplex | vim does |
| 21:05.29 | dataw0lf | You're using nano? |
| 21:05.35 | dataw0lf | I have some more criticisms for you then. |
| 21:05.40 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 21:05.40 | Supaplex | lol |
| 21:05.56 | nick125 | Better than wasting time learning a brand new language just to use a damn text editor. |
| 21:06.19 | dataw0lf | a brand new language? |
| 21:06.20 | Supaplex | so I don't have to learn python to keep using vim? |
| 21:06.52 | nick125 | Well, spending time to figure out what ctrl-x#$&@%*#$&^*I$%^@#36 does. |
| 21:07.13 | dataw0lf | well if you can't spend a day to learn basic vim commands, I don't expect you to finish the book. |
| 21:07.23 | dataw0lf | And I'm not trying to sell vim, either. Just use something other than nano. |
| 21:07.32 | dataw0lf | Especially if you want to write seriously. |
| 21:07.42 | nick125 | I know the basics of vim, I just hate using it. |
| 21:07.58 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't think vim is very adept at actually writing documents, either. Use OO.o or something. |
| 21:08.25 | nick125 | I've never heard of someone using OO.o to write something more than a letter. |
| 21:09.16 | dataw0lf | I've never heard of anyone seriously using nano to write anything but.... um. Hm, I guess a config file their very first time installing Linux. |
| 21:10.34 | dmdavis | only the config files necessary to get your system to install vim |
| 21:10.59 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:11.19 | dataw0lf | crikey, I'd rather use echo and redirection than nano. |
| 21:11.25 | tensai | nano is good for fixing a broken .vimrc :) |
| 21:11.28 | Supaplex | yes I was kidding :) making light of the ends vs the means. |
| 21:11.30 | nick125 | I've been unable to find a text editor that doesn't suck beyond believe (or so utterly complex that its ridiculous). |
| 21:11.46 | Supaplex | tensai: I thought we created mv for that. ;) |
| 21:11.51 | dmdavis | Vim only seems to suck if you don't know its power |
| 21:12.04 | dmdavis | you soon realize that it does quite the opposite of suck, though |
| 21:12.12 | dmdavis | and no, not blow :) |
| 21:12.43 | dataw0lf | I can't imagine thinking vim sucks if you've used it for longer than a day. |
| 21:12.43 | goozbach | someone needs to go through vimtutor |
| 21:13.30 | dmdavis | we need a vim plug session, maybe |
| 21:13.35 | goozbach | nick125: turn of the TV, IRC, CounterStrike, your phone, everything, open up a single terminal and run vimtutor |
| 21:13.44 | dataw0lf | dmdavis: for the one person who doesn't use vim? |
| 21:13.45 | dmdavis | stuart did a good vim presentation for uug |
| 21:13.50 | dmdavis | true |
| 21:14.06 | dataw0lf | advanced vim concepts or something would be cool. |
| 21:14.07 | goozbach | 45mins later if you still think vim sucks, you are welcome to continue using nano |
| 21:14.15 | dataw0lf | Maybe a presentation on personal vimrcs :) |
| 21:14.35 | goozbach | you must complete vimtutor, and then I won't bother you about it. |
| 21:14.37 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:14.59 | dmdavis | I will. if you still dislike it, I'll tell you some of the awesome commands that you must not understand yet |
| 21:15.20 | dataw0lf | I'll just continue making fun of you for using nano, is all. |
| 21:15.20 | dmdavis | and I'll keep telling you about them until you finally admit you like it :) |
| 21:15.36 | dmdavis | where's the honeymoon? |
| 21:16.17 | dmdavis | goozbach: well, where ever it is, enjoy your honeymoon |
| 21:19.29 | goozbach | it's at Zion, and Vegas |
| 21:19.38 | goozbach | and doesn't start till Tuesday night |
| 21:20.06 | goozbach | but I've got to do laundry, pack, and get ready to fly out tomorrow |
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| 21:50.46 | levi | vim is awesome. So is emacs! |
| 21:53.26 | Jayce^ | http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/mishare-enables-ipod-file-swapping-apple-is-so-pleased/ |
| 21:53.28 | brac | [miShare enables iPod file swapping, Apple is so pleased - Engadget] |
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| 22:02.08 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Ping. |
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| 22:15.27 | Jayce^ | pong |
| 22:15.38 | sinuhe | ping |
| 22:18.02 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Did you need stuff? |
| 22:19.14 | tensai | that's pretty fun. I'm helping bring up a 41.1 mile wireless link |
| 22:19.26 | tensai | 217,000 feet |
| 22:19.46 | rsimpkins | tensai: That's pretty cool. |
| 22:19.56 | tensai | should have 6-8mbit on it once we're done |
| 22:20.02 | rsimpkins | Nice. |
| 22:21.06 | tensai | fine tuning the antennas is touchy at that distance. I can't imagine how they contact the Pioneer and Voyager spacecraft. |
| 22:21.21 | herlo | tensai: big dishes |
| 22:22.00 | tensai | herlo: I'm not sure they're physical size. I know they've got about a 4° beam |
| 22:22.30 | tensai | oh, or did you mean for space. still seems like you get just the teensiest bit off and bye bye space ship |
| 22:23.36 | herlo | tensai: right, space |
| 22:34.44 | elg | tensai: watch "The Dish" |
| 22:34.52 | levi | NASA probably has nicer equipment than you do. |
| 22:35.05 | levi | Also do what elg said, it's a fun movie IIRC. |
| 22:35.11 | elg | they had just that problem for the main television feed dish (in australia) during the lunar landing |
| 22:35.24 | elg | it is a fun movie |
| 22:35.34 | elg | -chat |
| 22:35.35 | brac | you're giving other people |
| 22:35.46 | elg | better to keep it to yourself |
| 22:36.05 | elg | man, does nobody on plug have the least interest in distribtuded version control? |
| 22:36.26 | Tene | What do I need revision control for... I don't make mistakes. |
| 22:37.23 | levi | elg: I haven't used the distributed features enough to comment. |
| 22:38.03 | Supaplex | elg: like me, myself, and I? |
| 22:38.07 | levi | elg: I do like how darcs automatically breaks apart your commits into separate patches. I'm bad about only working on one thing at a time and checking it in as soon as I'm done. |
| 22:38.12 | sinuhe | Tene: documenting changes for copyright reasons. How else is the bazarre supposed to work? |
| 22:38.50 | tensai | sinuhe: copywhat? |
| 22:39.00 | levi | sinuhe: Do you mean the bizarre or the bazaar? |
| 22:39.21 | sinuhe | levi: Well, that's a matter of perspective now, isn't it? :-P |
| 22:39.21 | Tene | I don't let other users work on my code. They make too many mistakes. |
| 22:39.31 | levi | sinuhe: It's a matter of spelling! :) |
| 22:39.42 | sinuhe | Yada, yada... |
| 22:40.59 | levi | Grrr, remote gdb isn't working for me. |
| 22:41.24 | elg | levi: me too. that's what the record extension to mercurial adds |
| 22:41.33 | levi | Oh, nice. |
| 22:41.39 | elg | mercurial's extension mechanism seems to be powerful |
| 22:41.53 | elg | i'd argue some of the distributed but disabled extensions should be enabled by default, but hey |
| 22:42.10 | levi | I am currently using subversion with TortoiseSVN on Windows, because I don't trust my teammates with command line tools. |
| 22:42.17 | levi | Or with the code, really. |
| 22:42.25 | elg | heh |
| 22:42.32 | levi | I trusted them in the first release, and I got severely burned. |
| 22:42.39 | Tene | I'm told that the native windows port of git works quite nicely these days. |
| 22:42.58 | Tene | There's not a nice equivalent of TortoiseSVN yet, but there's one in progress. |
| 22:43.07 | Tene | CheetahGit |
| 22:43.28 | Tene | although... google has no hits for that. |
| 22:43.42 | Tene | So perhaps I've been misinformed, or perhaps I'm misremembering. |
| 22:43.46 | levi | If I can't trust them to write reasonable C# code in Visual Studio, I sure can't trust them to ever be able to check out any code with git. |
| 22:50.55 | levi | Woot, I got remote gdb to work by running it from another machine. |
| 22:51.13 | Tene | extra-remote? |
| 22:52.42 | Tene | ~channel Supaplex |
| 22:52.45 | Tene | ~change Supaplex |
| 22:52.49 | Tene | ~zap Supaplex |
| 22:52.50 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives Supaplex a good jolt. |
| 22:56.54 | elg | heh, "Then learn how to choose Git for all your version control needs." |
| 22:57.03 | elg | http://uug.byu.edu/ |
| 23:06.38 | dmdavis | elg: interestingly, I missed your question about people's interest in distributed version control, because I was learning how to use distributed version control |
| 23:07.08 | dmdavis | but I need to know now: should I use darcs, git or hg? |
| 23:07.26 | Tene | git, of course. |
| 23:07.50 | Tene | DARCS stands for Distributed And Really Really Slowi |
| 23:08.02 | Tene | I wouldn't trust developers taht can't spell, would you? |
| 23:08.09 | dmdavis | :) |
| 23:08.18 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:08.46 | dmdavis | how does hg compare? that's what I was reading up on right now |
| 23:10.28 | dmdavis | :se noai |
| 23:10.28 | dmdavis | a:se ai |
| 23:10.36 | dmdavis | that was odd... |
| 23:11.21 | dmdavis | I should have switched to another screen in gnuscreen, instead I spout gibberish in irc. |
| 23:11.55 | dataw0lf | happens to me all the time |
| 23:12.32 | dataw0lf | but usually only when I have screens inside screens (but I often do) |
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| 23:16.11 | Tene | itsafozz. |
| 23:17.21 | levi | dmdavis: So, I made it to the meeting last night, but I had no idea who you were so I didn't say hi, unless I did and you didn't tell me who you were. |
| 23:17.24 | elg | dmdavis: any of the three I think will serve you well. I'd say pick hg |
| 23:18.51 | fozzmoo | Tene: Indeed. |
| 23:21.18 | dmdavis | levi: yeah, I don't know if I saw you either. But, I don't know many people in PLUG so I left after only a short bit of socializing |
| 23:22.10 | fozzmoo | dmdavis: Did I meet you? |
| 23:22.12 | dmdavis | elg: maybe after UUG tonight, I'll be sold on git. if not, I'll stick with hg because it's what I first started reading docs for |
| 23:22.29 | dmdavis | fozzmoo: not explicitely, but I sat right behind you while you filmed |
| 23:23.09 | levi | git seems overly complicated, and tuned for the Linux kernel workflow. |
| 23:23.17 | fozzmoo | OKay. |
| 23:23.58 | elg | dmdavis: you might. amcnabb deserves compliments if he can sell git's UI over hg's |
| 23:24.01 | dmdavis | yeah, the main thing that appealed to me about hg is that it seemed easiest to use |
| 23:24.47 | elg | i'm revisiting hg's queue (quilt-like) mechanism (extension, actually) |
| 23:25.06 | elg | quilt is an underutilized wonder of civilization |
| 23:25.10 | elg | ~quilt |
| 23:25.11 | ibot | quilt is, like, http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt/ |
| 23:25.24 | elg | that stupid savannah page is absolutely worthless |
| 23:25.41 | levi | I've been briefly exposed to it through OpenEmbedded, but didn't really use it. Why's quilt so great? |
| 23:25.57 | elg | glad you asked. I'm planning on blogging about it in a day or two |
| 23:26.12 | dmdavis | where's your blog? |
| 23:26.12 | levi | But I wanna know NOW! ;) |
| 23:26.19 | elg | hans.fugal.net/blog |
| 23:26.27 | elg | yeah, I'll give you the executive summary now |
| 23:26.50 | fozzmoo | goozbach: ping |
| 23:27.17 | elg | quilt manages a stack of patches. you sit anywhere on the stack - the patches below you are applied and the ones above aren't. you can make modifications and refresh the quilt on top of the applied stack |
| 23:27.33 | elg | and maneouver up and down the stack at will |
| 23:27.37 | elg | so, a use case: |
| 23:27.59 | elg | (one that I happen to use a whole lot) |
| 23:28.07 | elg | you download linux package X on OS X |
| 23:28.13 | elg | woop, doesn't compile, quite. |
| 23:28.40 | elg | so you start a quilt stack (it doesn't need no stinkin' revision control, it can sit on a tarball or wherever) |
| 23:28.52 | elg | you edit the files you need to get it to compile, and refresh the patch |
| 23:29.07 | elg | now you can unapply the patch to get the original source |
| 23:29.18 | elg | or you can do quilt diff to create a patch file ready to send to the author |
| 23:29.26 | levi | Interesting. |
| 23:29.35 | elg | (avoid the annoying oops I forgot to backup the original file and now making a patch is a royal pain) |
| 23:29.59 | dataw0lf | that's pretty cool. I didn't know mercurial had that sort of functionality. |
| 23:30.00 | elg | now, you want to modify project X because you find it annoying that it does X and Y. add patches to the stack |
| 23:30.04 | dmdavis | how's that different from making a repo, and commiting your change? |
| 23:30.18 | elg | dmdavis: the difference is subtle |
| 23:30.52 | elg | the biggest difference is that you're dealing with patches directly, which is the best format where you want to contribute back to an "external" project |
| 23:31.18 | elg | one where you have no reputation, commit access, etc. and also where you're not to the point where you want to maintain your own tree |
| 23:31.36 | dmdavis | but hg (for example) can generate a patch of your changes |
| 23:31.46 | elg | yes, it can |
| 23:32.00 | levi | dmdavis: In this scenario, you don't have an hg repository, you downloaded a tarball. |
| 23:32.00 | elg | but, what if you make change A, then change B, then change A' |
| 23:32.14 | elg | now you have two pieces to the puzzle to send for change A |
| 23:32.25 | elg | hg rightly has them separated, because you asked for full history |
| 23:32.31 | dmdavis | true, but you can create one, commit, make changes. seems just as easy |
| 23:32.40 | elg | with patch management, you don't want full history. you want the patches to evolve into the perfect set of patches |
| 23:33.19 | elg | with mercurial queues, you can do *both*. you keep a quilt-like (and quilt-compatible) patch stack, and the patch stack itself is revision controlled |
| 23:33.49 | elg | but it is indeed very similar, and more than anything a workflow preference sort of thing |
| 23:33.56 | dmdavis | OK |
| 23:33.56 | levi | I can see why OpenEmbedded used quilt now. |
| 23:33.57 | elg | quilt came out of andrew morton's scripts for managing patches |
| 23:34.35 | elg | dmdavis: read the section on MQs in the hgbook before you go tonight |
| 23:34.49 | elg | that will be decent protection against git paraphernilia ;-) |
| 23:35.02 | elg | although I think there's equivalent tools to integrate with git |
| 23:35.18 | Tene | but elg: you can perform that workflow by hand on top of git! |
| 23:35.26 | elg | sure, using quilt |
| 23:35.34 | elg | and to be honest, I usually use quilt even in my hg repos |
| 23:36.01 | elg | but as I learn MQ better I might change that. funny how I only discovered quilt through reading about mq though |
| 23:36.25 | elg | learning the generic seemed much more generally useful, and it has been. i even use it when grading |
| 23:36.51 | elg | student submits non-compiling code. i use quilt to make the obvious compiler-suggested changes and not lose the original code for grading |
| 23:39.22 | levi | elg: Why bother? Just write "doesn't compile: F!" and you're done! ;) |
| 23:40.18 | elg | I should, but I'm too darned nice :-) |
| 23:40.52 | elg | actually i'm too nice and too mean all at the same time |
| 23:41.02 | Tene | 'splain |
| 23:41.53 | elg | i don't give slack or go too far out of my way when grading. makes me grumpy. so I prepare a rubric before and pretty much stick to it. if I don't though, I'm too nice to the early ones |
| 23:41.55 | elg | before I get grumpy |
| 23:42.03 | elg | so I have to fight it in both directions |
| 23:42.05 | elg | :) |
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| 23:42.10 | elg | if I were sjansen, though. |
| 23:42.13 | elg | if only |
| 23:42.27 | levi | sjansen starts out grumpy, so no problem there! |
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| 23:46.12 | elg | turns out the students were getting the prim's algorithm "help" from wikipedia |
| 23:46.46 | elg | I just don't get it. The book had the pseuducode laid out for them. all they had to do was code it up. the assignment said "the algorithm from the book", but instead they went with the convoluted version on wikipedia |
| 23:47.07 | dmdavis | was Wikipedia wrong, or did they misunderstand it? |
| 23:47.26 | elg | not sure. I haven't looked closely at wikipedia. this is just from what a student was telling me |
| 23:47.57 | elg | we walked through his algorithm and finally found where it was kind of sort of doing prim's algorithm (but it must have had a bug since it was getting the wrong answers) |
| 23:48.12 | dmdavis | I know that Wikipedia can be wrong, but I don't really believe it. Don't make me question my faith! |
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| 23:48.54 | dataw0lf | wikipedia has the same problem the internet as a whole does: there's no entrance exam for it's users. |
| 23:49.25 | dataw0lf | Like, I'd be fine with a 5 question test. "How do you spell "Hello"?", etc |
| 23:49.47 | dmdavis | well, you have to want to write a description of Prim's algorithm. That seems like a bit of an initial test. in this case. |
| 23:50.15 | elg | speaking of the poor saps, they're in the middle of their exam right about now. a moment of silence, please |
| 23:50.19 | dataw0lf | don't underestimate the power of beginners to jump into the most complex task they can imagine. |
| 23:50.23 | gillyboat | Question 2: Are you using AOL or MSN? |
| 23:50.59 | dataw0lf | "lol yes i m usin ALO how did u know lol" |
| 23:51.22 | gillyboat | that's uncanny |
| 23:51.41 | elg | after a cursory look, wikipedia looks ok. different from what the book has in some ways but still obviously prim's |
| 23:52.06 | elg | must be a product of that slight difference, their misunderstanding, and wading through sophomore java code |
| 23:52.30 | elg | class GraphObject { ... |
| 23:52.40 | elg | (red pen) Don't you mean *edge*? |
| 23:52.48 | dataw0lf | sophomoric or sophomore? ;-) |
| 23:53.18 | elg | well, i guess technically it's a junior class |
| 23:53.26 | elg | but isn't all java code sophomoric? |
| 23:53.33 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:54.00 | levi | elg: You should see the C# code I've been dealing with. :P |
| 23:54.20 | elg | no, I shouldn't. I don't know if I could handle it. ;-) |
| 23:54.59 | levi | Granted, there wasn't a lot of it, since only one of my teammates has ever checked anything in and it was mostly autogenerated gui code. |
| 23:56.44 | Tene | http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/terminal-values.html -- interesting |
| 23:57.16 | tensai | dataw0lf: hello is, of course, spelled "EHLO" |
| 23:58.26 | Tene | "Recipes make poor cake when you grind them up and toss them in the batter." |
| 23:58.34 | elg | Tene: nice, "Humans are experts at planning, not experts on planning" |
| 23:59.05 | levi | That blog often has interesting articles. |
| 23:59.40 | fozzmoo | A little too... cerebral for me. ;-) |
