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| 00:29.17 | shadowwire | What complications might I have by swaping out my domain controller? |
| 00:31.21 | Supaplex | do you have a backup that can take over? |
| 00:31.51 | Supaplex | I don't know if you can use your new replacement as a temporary backup, then promote it as the new master. |
| 00:31.57 | Supaplex | (random ideas) |
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| 01:10.28 | brac | Cool enough to check, though |
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| 01:26.43 | maquis | -chat |
| 01:26.44 | brac | ~hug perl |
| 01:26.44 | ibot | ACTION hugs perl tightly until perl turns slightly blue |
| 01:36.04 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 01:44.18 | Supaplex | herlo: didn't you present xen at utosc? |
| 01:44.26 | Supaplex | or maybe it was goozbach actually |
| 01:47.48 | herlo | Supaplex: nope |
| 01:47.57 | herlo | Supaplex: that'd be Lamont or Derek (goozbach) |
| 01:48.01 | Supaplex | wth? xensource.com is using aspx? |
| 01:49.29 | nick125 | Supaplex: They were bought out by a MS shill, Citrix. |
| 01:51.33 | herlo | nick125: that's not true, only the company Xensource was |
| 01:51.44 | herlo | nick125: xen is still Open Source as ever |
| 01:53.29 | Supaplex | this w2k3.hvm snippet *in* the pdf is an utter PITA. last time I tried this it was content encoding issues. and I have to fix the formatting again because it's python. grrrr |
| 01:55.18 | nick125 | installing windows on HVM is...fun |
| 01:55.22 | nick125 | I got it working once |
| 01:55.33 | nick125 | Haven't tried it since though, since Xen doesn't work with nvidia. |
| 01:56.44 | Supaplex | the nvidia module? or at all? I don't have nvidia loaded, and I was contimplating axing onboard in favor of a crappy pci video (console use only) |
| 01:56.45 | nick125 | (Okay, it doesn't work out of the box with the blob drivers) |
| 01:57.06 | nick125 | The propietary nvidia drivers |
| 01:58.08 | Supaplex | ahh. I'm not using X on that machine anyhow. |
| 02:15.10 | Supaplex | li:/etc/xen# xm create w2k3.hvm Using config file "w2k3.hvm". Started domain w2k3-001 |
| 02:15.13 | Supaplex | wahou :P |
| 02:15.27 | Supaplex | ~lart unicode whitespace |
| 02:15.27 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at unicode whitespace |
| 02:17.26 | Supaplex | so how do I see what it's running? the pdf said: NOTE: Once you click the mouse in the window in which Windows 2003 is running, it will be captured there. Press the left- |
| 02:17.29 | Supaplex | hand CTRL-ALT to exit grab. |
| 02:17.38 | Supaplex | but ... I don't have any such window :) |
| 02:17.58 | nick125 | Supaplex: It a QEMU window |
| 02:18.18 | nick125 | Which, if you aren't running X, won't appear |
| 02:18.21 | nick125 | There is a way to use VNC though. |
| 02:19.50 | Supaplex | I have ssh -X |
| 02:23.18 | Supaplex | li:~# xm console w2k3-001 |
| 02:23.18 | Supaplex | xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory |
| 02:23.18 | Supaplex | humm |
| 02:24.08 | Supaplex | ouuu nm xm console. hah |
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| 02:33.14 | Tene | Someone in my class today had the hardest time with virtualization... |
| 02:33.33 | Tene | He couldn't figure out the difference between files in the dom0 and files in the guest systems. |
| 02:35.32 | Supaplex | with xen, the guest dies somewhere between finishing post and starting to boot. I can run it with qemu, but I'm only booting the install cd. |
| 02:35.52 | Tene | xm create -c |
| 02:36.09 | Supaplex | yea, same. it won't keep the screen on long enough to know why it dies |
| 02:37.26 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/tgptR613.html |
| 02:39.14 | Supaplex | ahh, finally caught a screen shot. failed to boot from cd, could not read. |
| 02:39.45 | Supaplex | can the iso be on remote nfs? |
| 02:43.20 | Supaplex | humm same issue |
| 02:43.25 | Supaplex | non nfs. |
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| 02:49.59 | brac | Web Eye Tyrant |
| 02:52.43 | Supaplex | xm dmesg is useful. |
| 02:52.56 | Tene | huh. never noticed that before. clever. |
| 02:53.41 | Supaplex | similar config and issue, http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:uyCtH6D0HQcJ:lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2006-10/msg00885.html+site:lists.xensource.com+xen+cdrom+%22boot+failure+code%22+0002&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a wow long url... |
| 02:53.49 | Supaplex | ibot: shorten that |
| 02:53.55 | Supaplex | brac: shorten that |
| 02:55.22 | Supaplex | aka http://ln-s.net/1+5$ |
| 02:59.38 | herlo | Supaplex: may I recommend the tinyurl plugin for firefox? |
| 03:00.00 | Supaplex | sure why not. |
| 03:04.13 | Supaplex | wahou! |
| 03:04.25 | Supaplex | disk=[ 'phy:/dev/pool/winxppro,ioemu:hda,w', 'file:/home/supaplex/W2k3R2_WinLite.iso,hdb:cdrom,r' ] |
| 03:04.44 | Supaplex | the PDF is FUBAR. they dropped cdrom = (it's ignored now) |
| 03:08.55 | Supaplex | http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/xen-w2k3r2-works-0003.png :) |
| 03:13.16 | Supaplex | oh now there's an idea... partition my video card for a specific guest? that would rock |
| 03:13.54 | fozzmoo | Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. |
| 03:14.07 | fozzmoo | I just found a newegg.com search engine plugin for Firefox. |
| 03:14.13 | Tene | GFS is really cool. |
| 03:17.06 | rsimpkins | Tene: It is. I wish RH cluster was equally as cool. |
| 03:17.45 | fozzmoo | Tene: Have you played with GFS? |
| 03:18.39 | fozzmoo | I've wondered about using GFS or drbd for replicating a filesystem across two server. |
| 03:18.57 | Tene | fozzmoo: a couple of times. I don't have it running anywhere right now, though. |
| 03:19.07 | fozzmoo | I'm guessing drbd would have some performance advantages, but GFS would scale better. |
| 03:19.22 | Tene | I've never heard of drbd, I think. |
| 03:19.29 | fozzmoo | It's a network block device implementation. |
| 03:19.42 | fozzmoo | Supported by Linux-HA |
| 03:20.24 | Tene | obviously you should run GFS on top of drbd. |
| 03:20.31 | Tene | Best of both worlds, and such. |
| 03:20.39 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 03:20.40 | Tene | I bet it would work great. |
| 03:21.08 | fozzmoo | How about that episode of Heroes last night? |
| 03:21.19 | Tene | It was interesting. |
| 03:21.19 | findlay | linux haha? |
| 03:21.23 | Tene | I'm interested again. |
| 03:21.32 | fozzmoo | Kristin Bell is amazing. |
| 03:21.36 | Tene | Quite. |
| 03:21.45 | fozzmoo | The first episode she was in... I thought her character was just a copy of Veronica Mars. |
| 03:21.51 | Tene | nodnod |
| 03:21.53 | fozzmoo | But that episode really fleshed it out... |
| 03:22.02 | fozzmoo | Very different. I'm diggin it. |
| 03:22.14 | Tene | I'm very curious about Adam. |
| 03:22.25 | Tene | I'm going to be disappointed if he turns out to be a Bad Guy. |
| 03:22.55 | fozzmoo | There was an interview with Kring a week or so ago... he basically apologized for doing everything wrong for the first 7 episodes. |
| 03:23.05 | Tene | Huh. |
| 03:23.14 | findlay | so, gfs is a subset of drdb which is a subset of lvm which is a subset of raid which is a subset of extended partitons which is a subset of primary partitions which is a subset of cylinders which is a subset of platters which have lots of tasty bite-size vegetables on them with dip in the middle |
| 03:23.14 | fozzmoo | Said he knew they messed up and he was going to make ammends to the fans by changing things. |
| 03:23.18 | Tene | If he keeps this up... apology accepted. |
| 03:23.30 | fozzmoo | One thing he promised was more... suspenseful action. |
| 03:23.44 | findlay | therefore, platters are the most general set, so why not just use them? |
| 03:23.56 | findlay | why the acronym proliferation? |
| 03:24.23 | findlay | besides, you get to have tasty vegetables+dip |
| 03:24.28 | findlay | sounds like a winner to me |
| 03:25.24 | fozzmoo | http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html |
| 03:29.27 | findlay | how'd I get pointed this direction? |
| 03:31.58 | findlay | Tene: but generally the more specific you get, you lose symmetry and therefore, flexibility |
| 03:32.09 | findlay | at least from a rigorous perspective |
| 03:32.14 | Tene | Spheres aren't flexible. |
| 03:32.27 | findlay | neither are tetrahedrons |
| 03:33.28 | findlay | modular forms have way more symmetry than spheres |
| 03:36.01 | findlay | hyperbolic symmetry |
| 03:38.08 | findlay | Tene: I'm just saying that there are mathematical cases where specificity is a side effect undesirably compounding restrictions on usability by the loss of useful properties |
| 03:38.23 | findlay | even when specificity isn't the ostensible goal |
| 03:39.12 | findlay | silly symmerty |
| 03:39.17 | findlay | ~lart The Universe |
| 03:39.17 | ibot | calls The Universe on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
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| 03:49.28 | levi | Stupid UVSC charged me a late fee on my tuition even though I paid the day before late fees began. :P |
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| 04:02.21 | Supaplex | homemade bread ftw. mmmm |
| 04:04.29 | findlay | homemade bread for the world? |
| 04:04.34 | findlay | that's nice |
| 04:04.43 | Supaplex | win |
| 04:05.24 | findlay | ~win Supaplex |
| 04:05.25 | ibot | Congratulations, Supaplex! You have won the US presidency! |
| 04:05.28 | findlay | yay |
| 04:05.33 | Supaplex | yippie |
| 04:19.19 | vontrapp | oooh noooo! /me moves to canada |
| 04:19.49 | Supaplex | canada's a new state now. |
| 04:19.50 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:24.47 | findlay | I'd vote for Supaplex |
| 04:28.23 | Supaplex | coolies :) |
| 05:09.06 | Supaplex | 39.6F out. chilly. |
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| 05:21.49 | vontrapp | is there something in rails that is accessible to both the controller and the helper? |
| 05:21.53 | vontrapp | besides the controller itself |
| 05:22.07 | vontrapp | something i can modify arbitrarily |
| 05:25.33 | findlay | ~convert 1 mil to micrometers |
| 05:26.53 | Tene | ~convert speed of light to furlongs per fortnight |
| 05:27.01 | Tene | Aw. :( |
| 05:27.58 | findlay | ~convert 299792458 m/s to mph |
| 05:28.31 | findlay | ~convert 299792458 m/s to Tenes/fortniight |
| 05:28.34 | findlay | ~convert 299792458 m/s to Tenes/fortnight |
| 05:28.43 | findlay | ~convert 299792458 m/s to rods/fortnight |
| 05:28.58 | findlay | ~convert 299792458 m/s to drahms/fortnight |
| 05:29.13 | findlay | ~convert 299792458 m/s to parsecs/fortnight |
| 05:59.05 | findlay | ~convert 3 mil to micrometres |
| 06:05.09 | Supaplex | ~convert 1 teaspoon to picoliters |
| 06:06.13 | Supaplex | just a few billion huh? |
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| 06:28.08 | vontrapp | umount -l is my friend |
| 06:29.10 | Supaplex | mine to :) |
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| 07:07.29 | beholder | hi |
| 07:07.37 | beholder | anyone awake? |
| 07:08.05 | Supaplex | yes and I'm not a fan of vnc right now. |
| 07:09.17 | beholder | whats vnc? |
| 07:09.21 | sontek | use xnest =) |
| 07:09.25 | sontek | vnc is a waste |
| 07:10.01 | vontrapp | is there an xnest client for windows? |
| 07:10.09 | Supaplex | does it work with xen domUs? |
| 07:12.18 | Supaplex | beholder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VNC |
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| 07:33.27 | fozzmoo | beholder LEFT?! |
| 07:40.21 | klys | http://www.govdeals.com/eas/itmDisplay.cfm?itemID=743&acctID=399 |
| 07:41.16 | Supaplex | nice, but shipping? :P |
| 07:41.38 | klys | I don't even know if the deals here can be shipped |
| 07:51.18 | klys | iirc, the G3 had SCSI and ran at around 450 MHz |
| 07:51.43 | Supaplex | some ran slower |
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| 10:43.42 | Sargun | ~onjoin Sargun Sargun, you rock my world! |
| 10:43.42 | ibot | Sargun: ok |
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| 15:18.04 | tensai | redbeard2: the wife said it's OK |
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| 16:02.54 | Keighvin | ~blame Jayce^ |
| 16:02.55 | ibot | ACTION blames Jayce^ (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 16:14.01 | brac | you can tell you what the guy who doesn't 'game', that could be right |
| 16:15.36 | Keighvin | brac, you so crazy |
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| 16:28.31 | Supaplex | -say ~say -say what |
| 16:28.31 | brac | insufficient "say" auth (have 10, need 70) |
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| 16:29.02 | Supaplex | ~say -say what? |
| 16:29.02 | ibot | -say what |
| 16:29.29 | Supaplex | elg: brac's no fun w/o -say :P |
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| 16:30.45 | goozbach | T minus 6 days |
| 16:31.44 | Keighvin | Till...? |
| 16:31.50 | Supaplex | the 20th apparently |
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| 16:50.33 | findlay | the goozbachian nuptuials |
| 16:50.55 | Kemotaha | goozbach: scared yet? |
| 16:51.29 | Kemotaha | goozbach: atleast she has met us some. :) I remember when she jumped into the channel since you left it open on your laptop at your house |
| 16:51.42 | Kemotaha | s/your/her/ |
| 16:51.43 | Supaplex | who? grandpa goozbach scared? never ;) |
| 16:51.52 | goozbach | grandpa? |
| 16:52.14 | Supaplex | didn't one of your kids just get married? |
| 16:52.32 | goozbach | Supaplex: who do you think you are talking to? |
| 16:52.35 | goozbach | I'm only 27 |
| 16:52.47 | tensai | and you've got grandkids??? |
| 16:52.51 | Kemotaha | lol |
| 16:53.01 | Supaplex | humm I'm mistaken then. :P |
| 16:53.06 | findlay | goozbach's grandkidless |
| 16:53.14 | findlay | so far |
| 16:53.16 | Kemotaha | Supaplex: It was a great laugh |
| 16:53.26 | Supaplex | but now he's scared! |
| 16:53.30 | Supaplex | :-D |
| 16:53.47 | Kemotaha | It would have better to see a picture of goozbach's face :& |
| 16:54.09 | findlay | howd you do that with your mouth? |
| 16:54.42 | Supaplex | oh that's easy. :-$ is just as easy |
| 16:55.04 | Kemotaha | it's an anime thing :) |
| 16:55.28 | Supaplex | ~anime++ |
| 16:56.04 | Supaplex | that's from too much starch in your diet. |
| 16:56.34 | findlay | ~starch Supaplex's diet |
| 16:56.35 | Kemotaha | findlay: what client are you using? |
| 16:56.42 | findlay | irssi |
| 16:56.48 | goozbach | I don't have kids yet |
| 16:56.58 | goozbach | isn't that a prereq to having grandkids? |
| 16:57.17 | Kemotaha | goozbach: not if you are your own uncle |
| 16:58.13 | findlay | ~duck Kemotaha |
| 16:58.13 | ibot | ACTION gives Kemotaha a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels Kemotaha with it's big white wings. |
| 16:58.16 | Jayce^ | he is from southern UT |
| 16:58.22 | findlay | heh |
| 16:58.39 | sinuhe | goozbach: is your broken name server still working? The guru wiki still has a reference to it, but it didn't look broke. |
| 17:00.48 | goozbach | Jayce^: point |
| 17:01.02 | goozbach | hence the reason I moved most of the way across the country to find a bride |
| 17:01.05 | goozbach | sinuhe: should be |
| 17:01.09 | goozbach | friocorte.com zone |
| 17:01.21 | sinuhe | goozbach: Good. Thanks. |
| 17:01.21 | goozbach | ns1.friocorte.com server |
| 17:02.00 | goozbach | yup it's still broken: |
| 17:02.02 | goozbach | [dcarter@ord-mandell upper-main]$ host -l friocorte.com ns1.friocorte.com |
| 17:02.24 | goozbach | returns, that shouldn't happen unless you are a slave server |
| 17:02.48 | goozbach | this is what you should see: |
| 17:02.49 | goozbach | [dcarter@ord-mandell upper-main]$ host -l neverblock.com ns1.friocorte.com |
| 17:02.49 | goozbach | ; Transfer failed. |
| 17:03.41 | sinuhe | Sweet. That means mine is setup right. :-) |
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| 17:06.18 | goozbach | cpan module of the <whatever> Pod::Simple::Wiki |
| 17:06.26 | elg | -chat the sky |
| 17:06.27 | brac | the sky was clear. |
| 17:06.28 | goozbach | turn your pod into wiki format for cut and paste |
| 17:06.36 | goozbach | ya! |
| 17:07.20 | elg | hey, where's the git debate? i want in |
| 17:07.34 | Tene | There's a git debate? |
| 17:07.46 | Tene | There's been a minor one on the enlightenment mailing list... |
| 17:09.06 | Tene | The consensus turned out to be "Migrating in the middle of trying to get a product out the door would be foolish... we'll look at it again for e18." |
| 17:09.06 | elg | according to herlo's blog there is |
| 17:09.27 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 17:09.49 | Supaplex | that's ok. I don't git it either. |
| 17:10.05 | Tene | Git saves lives. CVS leads to nuclear war. |
| 17:10.11 | Kemotaha | Jayce^: the plug password replacement emails got eaten up by gooogle's spam filter |
| 17:10.18 | Tene | That's what I remember from my debate class... |
| 17:10.44 | sinuhe | Is this the part where I jump in about GNU Arch and have everyone pounce on me? |
| 17:10.57 | Tene | sinuhe: I don't know anything about Arch. |
| 17:11.17 | Tene | Is it nice? What's it like. Spend time giving me information that I could find out on my own. |
| 17:11.20 | elg | no but it is the part where I mention that although git is bounds ahead of cvs and svn, mercurial and darcs are far better choices |
| 17:11.31 | elg | and I blissfully ignore the arch guy hoping he'll go away |
| 17:11.44 | goozbach | sinuhe: Arch is nice, but BZR is where it's at |
| 17:12.03 | goozbach | elg, don't go dissing TL |
| 17:12.10 | goozbach | he's a visionary |
| 17:12.13 | elg | I'm beyond dissing TL |
| 17:12.18 | goozbach | I wanna be just like him |
| 17:12.23 | elg | I just try to pretend he doesn't exist now |
| 17:12.39 | Tene | pfft, bzr? more like SLOWzr. |
| 17:12.45 | goozbach | develop a world class RCS and then be able to spout on about any and all topics as if I'm an expert |
| 17:12.55 | elg | but really, I don't care what Distributed RCS you use. Just use one, for pete's sake |
| 17:12.56 | goozbach | that's my dream |
| 17:13.11 | elg | hehe |
| 17:13.18 | Tene | elg: I'm curious about the advantages hg and darcs have. |
| 17:13.29 | Tene | When I've looked at them, I didn't see anything particularly compelling. |
| 17:13.36 | elg | compared to what? |
| 17:14.15 | goozbach | "as the creator of 'superprg' I belive that a nuclear arms race is only a matter of time, also this little pill I found in the back of my medicine table aparently cures AIDS and cancer" |
| 17:14.51 | Tene | elg: Git, I guess. |
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| 17:15.20 | elg | the primary advantage of either over git is usability |
| 17:15.46 | elg | darcs has an interesting theoretical twist too, that is appeaoling. however it does have performance issues |
| 17:16.13 | elg | darcs has got to be the easiest distributed rcs ever (that I've used), and easier than cvs too |
| 17:16.34 | elg | but these days I mostly go with hg (mercurial) because it's faster, still quite easy, and a bit more flexible |
| 17:16.48 | goozbach | bzr is super easy as well |
| 17:17.02 | goozbach | and I guess I haven't noticed any "slowness" |
| 17:17.09 | elg | git is nice enough, but a little too kernel hackerish. too many obscure options and corner cases and ways to break things |
| 17:17.11 | goozbach | what do you have to do to get that? |
| 17:17.27 | elg | too much low-level access, too little normal-use-case access |
| 17:17.37 | elg | but it has improved quite a bit. I'd use git over cvs or svn any day |
| 17:17.59 | elg | i have no opinion on bzr. tla was the epitome of impossible to use back when I tried it, but that's been quite a while |
| 17:18.41 | herlo | elg: I didn't say there'd be a debate tonight... |
| 17:18.56 | herlo | elg: I was more referring to the debate of VCS', but hey |
| 17:18.59 | dmdavis | why is distributed rcs so much better than cvs/svn? |
| 17:19.25 | elg | another reason I'm tending to hg instead of darcs lately is that hg is python and darcs is one of them strange languages, and in practice that means it's harder to get darcs working in a pinch in odd places (like a mac or windows) |
| 17:20.10 | herlo | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 17:20.10 | ibot | raises middle finger to redbeard2 |
| 17:20.33 | Supaplex | ~google USPBUY1315 |
| 17:21.29 | sinuhe | Be glad sjansen isn't here. This versioning system debate would get him going. |
| 17:21.33 | elg | dmdavis: lots of reasons, but two big ones are that you can check stuff in when disconnected (laptop on the train or plane or in the woods), |
| 17:22.16 | elg | and that you have a noncentralized development model. for a project of any size, the central repository is the bane of everyone's existence, and someone (e.g. linus) gets stuck being the bottleneck |
| 17:22.25 | Tene | Looks like there's significant progress in a native port of git to windows. |
| 17:22.58 | elg | there's lots about the subject online. i recommend reading a bit of it until the paradigm shift hits you |
| 17:23.16 | elg | once it does, you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. until it does, it will seem like a novel idea at best |
| 17:23.20 | dmdavis | makes sense. seems like it mainly is applicable to projects with many contributers, though |
| 17:23.43 | dmdavis | or frequent check ins |
| 17:23.43 | elg | not really |
| 17:23.56 | elg | frequent check in should be the norm for any project |
| 17:24.11 | elg | I use it for my own development (one person) and it is very useful |
| 17:24.12 | dmdavis | sure, but frequent is subjective |
| 17:24.28 | elg | i keep a copy on my laptop, one on my server (where I deploy something or just provide download) |
| 17:24.34 | dmdavis | I check in each change I make, but I could make it through a plane ride without checking in, I think |
| 17:25.21 | elg | there's also network time waiting for checkins even when you are connected |
| 17:25.50 | dmdavis | true, and I guess it would be nice to not have to connect back to my work network when checking in at home |
| 17:26.31 | Tene | Git has become a normal part of my development... not being able to branch and check in regularly is awkward for me. |
| 17:26.49 | dmdavis | how are conflicts handled? It could be bad if I and a coworker are both making several changes to our own repo that touch some common files, then we both check back into the main repo |
| 17:27.06 | Tene | It's normal to make a branch for every issue I start addressing. |
| 17:27.30 | Tene | dmdavis: conflicts are handled by the person doing the push to the other repo. |
| 17:27.41 | elg | or the pull from another repo |
| 17:28.13 | elg | there's no difference really than with e.g. cvs. except that most of the distributed tools have more sophisticated merging |
| 17:28.28 | dmdavis | so, I'd hope to push my repo into the "main" repo before my coworker, so he has to deal with the conflicts :) |
| 17:29.33 | elg | http://hgbook.red-bean.com/hgbookch1.html#x5-130001.4 |
| 17:29.35 | brac | [1 Introduction] |
| 17:29.43 | goozbach | it all depends on how smart the "merge" command is |
| 17:30.46 | dmdavis | elg: thanks, I'll read that |
| 17:31.03 | elg | mercurial for example will automatically do a good job of merging, then fire up tkdiff or filemerge or whatever awesome merging tool you have handy (configurable of course, but does a good thing by default) |
| 17:31.54 | dmdavis | but, just in case I am converted, is it possible to import an svn repo into darcs|hg|git maintaining the logs/revisions? |
| 17:32.50 | elg | herlo: "presenting on git, Linus’ favorite VCS. This topic is of heavy debate in many circles in Utah’s Open Source community." |
| 17:33.01 | elg | dmdavis: yes |
| 17:33.19 | dmdavis | sweet |
| 17:33.21 | elg | and even to gateway between svn and one of those, if you have to work with other unenlightened souls |
| 17:33.25 | elg | see tailor |
| 17:33.26 | elg | ~tailor |
| 17:33.27 | ibot | from memory, tailor is a tool to migrate changesets between ArX, Bazaar, Bazaar-NG, CVS, Codeville, Darcs, Git, Mercurial, Monotone, Subversion and Tla repositories. See http://www.darcs.net/DarcsWiki/Tailor |
| 17:35.35 | dmdavis | should be: http://wiki.darcs.net/DarcsWiki/Tailor |
| 17:37.12 | elg | ibot, no tailor is a tool to migrate changesets between ArX, Bazaar, Bazaar-NG, CVS, Codeville, Darcs, Git, Mercurial, Monotone, Subversion and Tla repositories. See http://wiki.darcs.net/DarcsWiki/Tailor |
| 17:37.13 | ibot | okay, elg |
| 17:39.33 | levi | "On Twitter, it is generally polite to follow those that follow you" <- another reason to not sign up for Twitter. |
| 17:43.14 | Keighvin | Automated codependence. |
| 17:44.17 | Tene | Does that mean that it's also polite to stop following anyone who stops following you? |
| 17:52.26 | tensai | I don't understand the fun of social networking sites |
| 17:52.54 | tensai | it seems like a pointless race to see who has the most friends |
| 17:55.18 | sinuhe | tensai: Social networking sites seem to be an excuse for someone else to collect personal information about me, without any real benefit to myself (only the *perceived* benefit). Every decent job I've ever got, every decent person I've ever met, was a personal referral, or someone I talked to face to face. |
| 17:56.39 | levi | http://www.qwantz.com/archive/000153.html |
| 17:58.01 | tensai | sinuhe: are you saying that social networking sites don't lead to the kind of relationships that would foster a job referral? |
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| 17:58.41 | macnewbold | most of the people I am connected to in social networking sites are people I've met face to face |
| 17:59.04 | levi | I think they're kind of useful for getting back in touch with people I've met in the past. |
| 18:00.22 | levi | But I have no need to get endless stream-of-consciousness updates from random people. |
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| 18:01.03 | dmdavis_ | nor do I want to feel obligated to constantly update all my "followers" |
| 18:01.04 | levi | I prefer getting content with at least a modicum of editorial review first, even if it's self-imposed. |
| 18:01.12 | levi | dmdavis_: How's your lisping going? |
| 18:01.13 | sinuhe | tensai: They never have for me. They've been nothing but a waste of my time and an annoyance when I try and remove myself from them. |
| 18:02.07 | dmdavis_ | levi: still plugging along. I'm about to start chapter 21 in Practical Common Lisp, so I'm getting a handle on it |
| 18:02.19 | levi | Fun. :) |
| 18:02.54 | levi | After reading PCL, I wrote a blog server and a Markdown implementation. I haven't done much with common lisp since, unfortunately. |
| 18:03.37 | levi | I've written a few Scheme programs, though. It's easier for me to use casually, since it's such a small language. |
| 18:03.48 | dmdavis_ | :| but you were always the Lisp guy on Plug! How can you not be hacking on it? |
| 18:04.29 | levi | Oh, I will be hacking on it again in the future. My plate is just very full at the moment. |
| 18:06.58 | dmdavis | I've begun writing a little zork-style game, but I haven't done anything really fancy yet |
| 18:07.23 | dmdavis | and I started writing it before I knew classes/namespaces/many necessary features, so it's not well designed :) |
| 18:09.56 | levi | There's a lot of Common Lisp to learn, and it's not immediately obvious how to use all the cool features in designs. |
| 18:10.14 | levi | I never did completely figure out the condition system. |
| 18:11.44 | dmdavis | yeah, I just read that chapter. it looks awesome and intense |
| 18:14.21 | dmdavis | it's one of those things that you can tell could do very cool things, but it'd be tough to figure out how to really use it |
| 18:19.50 | ^Migs^ | wow: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7094764.stm |
| 18:19.53 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Technology | 'Virtual theft' leads to arrest] |
| 18:19.56 | ^Migs^ | A Dutch teenager has been arrested for allegedly stealing virtual furniture from "rooms" in Habbo Hotel, a 3D social networking website. |
| 18:19.58 | ^Migs^ | The 17-year-old is accused of stealing 4,000 euros (£2,840) worth of virtual furniture, bought with real money. |
| 18:31.43 | goozbach | so has the plug list really been dead for five days? |
| 18:31.45 | Supaplex | when imaginary crimes pay real dividens? |
| 18:31.55 | goozbach | or am I not getting emails? |
| 18:35.42 | dmdavis | it looks like my most recent plug email is from the 12th |
| 18:40.44 | goozbach | ok mine too |
| 18:41.01 | goozbach | is PLUG broken, or do people not have an opnion? |
| 18:41.07 | fozzmoo | I don't care. |
| 18:41.08 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:42.33 | tensai | once in a while plug goes silent for a few days at a time. it's probably normal. |
| 18:42.50 | tensai | you could always send out a flamebait and test |
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| 18:46.52 | dmdavis | someone could write a script that will go through the plug archives, and graph the volume |
| 18:47.17 | dmdavis | see if lulls like this are normal, when they happen, maybe look for common subject terms right befor the lull :) |
| 18:49.22 | tensai | I've noticed that sundays are often slower |
| 19:01.00 | elg | tensai: everyone's home watching tv on sunday ;-) |
| 19:01.18 | tensai | elg: not me. I'm home watching the mail queue. |
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| 19:01.36 | elg | at least it's more interesting than football |
| 19:04.22 | Supaplex | ~eat elg's new football |
| 19:04.23 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the elg's new football available |
| 19:04.55 | elg | the best part about football is that on thanksgiving all the guys feel compelled to go play, and I got to hang out with the chicks |
| 19:05.14 | elg | of course, for much of my life that was boring aunts and grandmas, but for a few years there it was real live chicks |
| 19:08.40 | Supaplex | for wow. rsync --link-dest= |
| 19:11.04 | elg | for those wondering if plug is down, no it's not. here's proof, from the latest not-post: "Don't you reckon your tiny stick as a serious problem? |
| 19:11.05 | elg | " |
| 19:13.35 | tensai | elg: real live chicks, eh? never pegged you for a chicken farmer. |
| 19:34.21 | Supaplex | http://www.arbysfinest.com/images/freeshake_071003.gif |
| 19:42.33 | levi | For anyone who's in the Sandy area, Colossimo's has a killer sale on imported chocolate bars. |
| 19:42.56 | levi | $1 a bar, even for the $5 Valrhona bars. |
| 19:42.57 | ^Migs^ | http://tinyurl.com/236dan |
| 20:01.21 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 20:03.08 | rsimpkins | herlo: Around. :) |
| 20:04.54 | levi | This is very interesting... a rebuttal to the RMS history of the end of the MIT AI lab and the Lisp Machine company conflicts. http://dlweinreb.wordpress.com/ |
| 20:06.00 | levi | It's nice to hear the other side of that story. |
| 20:09.08 | goozbach | Turtles: the food that comes in it's own bowl |
| 20:10.32 | goozbach | the bowl also doubles as a helmet when you are done |
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| 20:16.58 | Lakshmi | no im not |
| 20:25.49 | Kemotaha | ~onjoin Lakshmi ok, you're right |
| 20:25.49 | ibot | ok, Kemotaha |
| 20:26.06 | Kemotaha | :) |
| 20:26.18 | Lakshmi | ~onjoin lakshmi sup? |
| 20:26.18 | ibot | Lakshmi: ok |
| 20:26.36 | brac | [Ajaxload - Ajax loading gif generator] |
| 20:28.59 | ^Migs^ | hey, that's pretty cool |
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| 20:47.52 | ^Migs^ | hahaha: http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7843.html |
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| 21:35.32 | levi | So quiet. |
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| 21:39.13 | goozbach | ~entertain levi |
| 21:39.14 | ibot | ACTION shows levi family photos while tap dancing in hdtv |
| 21:40.41 | sontek | hey guys, lenovo is having a sale right now, everyone go order your lappy's |
| 21:40.57 | sontek | they are giving like $295 off + another 15% discount with a coupon code |
| 21:41.12 | sontek | I just made my dream lappy for $1900 (: |
| 21:47.33 | Tene | I was planning on waitin guntil my next paycheck. |
| 21:47.45 | Tene | waiting until |
| 21:48.05 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:48.21 | goozbach | what?! |
| 21:48.24 | goozbach | stupid lenovo |
| 21:48.37 | goozbach | you'll end up waiting three months for them to ship the laptop |
| 21:49.25 | sontek | Tene: the sale only lasts until Saturday! |
| 21:49.55 | Tene | sontek: seems like they've been having a sale going on every week for the past few weeks. |
| 21:50.18 | Tene | Also, if I'm going to get what I really want, I have to wait for more money anyway. |
| 21:50.45 | Tene | Unless you want to fund my laptop... |
| 22:00.48 | sontek | Tene: but I just funded my laptop! You should've asked before that! ;) |
| 22:01.17 | Tene | Perhaps you should check again... maybe you already funded mine. |
| 22:02.05 | sontek | oh noes! I knew I should've setup an ssh tunnel before I ordered that! |
| 22:02.10 | sontek | darn sniffers! |
| 22:12.58 | levi | So, I wonder where smorrey's torrent replacement is. Wasn't he supposed to have a prototype ready for us by now? |
| 22:16.34 | Tene | Perhaps you should post to plug. |
| 22:16.55 | dataw0lf | I have a prototype you could post so you could show you did more work |
| 22:17.05 | dataw0lf | class VaporWare(object): |
| 22:17.07 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.59 | Tene | Heh. |
| 22:22.41 | Jayce^ | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/21/ninjas-attack-richar.html |
| 22:23.08 | herlo | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 22:23.08 | ibot | throws Jayce^'s poor little doggy off a cliff |
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| 22:48.45 | elg | what's your favorite virus info site? e.g. "I have this virus, how do I learn everything about it and kill it?" I know I've seen some back when I was a sysadmin |
| 22:48.50 | elg | but my memory atrophied |
| 22:50.57 | levi | Mmm, this dark chocolate with candied orange peel is excellent. |
| 22:58.40 | tensai | elg: debian.org |
| 23:00.02 | elg | :) |
| 23:00.38 | klys | seen shadowwire |
| 23:00.49 | klys | ~seen shadowwire |
| 23:00.57 | ibot | shadowwire <n=shadowwi@209-253-33-218.ip.mcleodusa.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 22h 31m 40s ago, saying: 'What complications might I have by swaping out my domain controller?'. |
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| 23:17.53 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo |
| 23:18.18 | fozzmoo | What?! |
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| 23:43.06 | Supaplex | -say no |
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| 23:58.51 | QBFreak | Tene: did you poke me here? |
| 23:58.58 | QBFreak | the window was all red n stuff |
| 23:59.56 | Tene | No. |
