| 00:41.16 | findlay | ~hah Sargun |
| 01:09.10 | Lakshmi | heh sargun |
| 01:09.16 | Lakshmi | ~poke sargun |
| 01:09.17 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sargun, pokes sargun repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:09.27 | Lakshmi | ~smack sargun |
| 01:09.27 | ibot | ACTION smacks sargun upside the head. |
| 01:09.36 | Lakshmi | ~tickle sargun |
| 01:09.37 | ibot | ACTION jumps on sargun, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
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| 02:13.15 | nick125_treo | Sargun: are you callable? |
| 02:13.32 | fozzmoo | "callable!" hah. |
| 02:14.37 | fozzmoo | Surprise, surprise. it *is* a word. |
| 02:14.50 | fozzmoo | callable \callable\ adj. subject to a demand for payment or redemption before the due date; -- of financial instruments; as, callable bonds. |
| 02:15.10 | Supaplex | ~dial callable bonds |
| 02:15.11 | ibot | ACTION borrows Sargun's phone to call callable bonds, and hears "Deposit 25 Cents please... Please deposit 25 Cents to connect your call." |
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| 03:57.45 | vontrapp | herlo: nope |
| 03:57.49 | vontrapp | Sargun: because i can |
| 03:58.20 | Sargun | Really? |
| 03:58.25 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 03:58.57 | herlo | vontrapp: is there not an html help guide for that? |
| 04:02.47 | vontrapp | Sargun: you said i can |
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| 04:43.13 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 04:43.20 | Lakshmi | gah |
| 04:43.24 | Lakshmi | who changed that? |
| 04:44.06 | Sargun | you've changed. |
| 04:47.06 | Lakshmi | i have? |
| 04:47.13 | Lakshmi | sargun good or bad? |
| 04:47.15 | Lakshmi | and into waht? |
| 04:51.39 | herlo | a turtle |
| 04:51.47 | herlo | turtles rule! |
| 04:54.13 | Supaplex | :P |
| 04:54.22 | Supaplex | turtles are yummy |
| 05:03.20 | herlo | Supaplex: you and Blue Sharks agree |
| 05:04.27 | Lakshmi | ~find sargun |
| 05:06.09 | Supaplex | what network adapter does dosemu provide? |
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| 05:19.14 | Sargun | lol |
| 05:19.21 | Sargun | Supaplex, a good one? |
| 05:19.29 | Lakshmi | sargun, |
| 05:19.32 | Supaplex | that's so helpful |
| 05:19.56 | Lakshmi | Sargun since when did i change? |
| 05:20.19 | Supaplex | you changed your clothes |
| 05:20.34 | Lakshmi | thats like always |
| 05:20.35 | Lakshmi | generally |
| 05:23.40 | Supaplex | so you admit it |
| 05:24.58 | nick125 | Sargun: Sup? |
| 05:25.06 | Sargun | not much |
| 05:25.09 | Sargun | you got your DSL line bac |
| 05:25.12 | nick125 | yeah |
| 05:25.17 | nick125 | I don't know how, but it just works. |
| 05:25.19 | nick125 | Gooo figure. |
| 05:25.26 | nick125 | And I got the hole in the ceiling patched |
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| 05:28.29 | Sargun | nice. |
| 05:28.37 | Sargun | did you do a straight run |
| 05:28.43 | nick125 | Hm? |
| 05:34.15 | levi | Good evening. |
| 05:35.21 | nick125 | Hello levi. |
| 05:40.32 | Sargun | Hi levi! |
| 05:53.22 | levi | Hi, kids. |
| 05:53.47 | Sargun | if levi > old: print "Levi is too old" |
| 05:53.51 | Sargun | Levi is too old |
| 05:54.51 | levi | Too old for what? |
| 05:55.13 | nick125 | After I get this done, I'm not doing any more projects for a long long time. |
| 05:55.19 | Sargun | Too old in general |
| 05:56.48 | levi | Sargun: Nah, I'm just getting started. You're too young. |
| 05:57.14 | Sargun | You sure? |
| 05:59.20 | levi | Sure about what? |
| 06:13.32 | Lakshmi | hi sargun! |
| 06:15.39 | findlay | hi Lakshmi! |
| 06:16.07 | Supaplex | hi! |
| 06:16.13 | klys | hey supaplex |
| 06:16.17 | findlay | hi Sup! |
| 06:16.25 | findlay | sup klys! |
| 06:16.30 | klys | yo yo yo |
| 06:16.36 | findlay | ~sup |
| 06:16.36 | ibot | Yo findlay, how's it going eh? |
| 06:17.57 | klys | today there were dinner and meetings and not much else |
| 06:19.40 | klys | dinner was chili with boiled broccoli and scalloped potatoes, not bad |
| 06:20.32 | klys | people talk outside my window and I overhear things, such as: |
| 06:20.40 | klys | dtr == destroy the relationship |
| 06:39.35 | findlay | klys: ha |
| 06:39.50 | findlay | SO MY KEYBOARD IS GOING OUT |
| 06:39.55 | klys | really |
| 06:40.14 | findlay | SOMETIMES i CAN'T TELL WHEN CAPS LOCK IS ON |
| 06:40.26 | findlay | because the light went out |
| 06:43.40 | findlay | somehow localhost got deleted from my 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts and strange errors started happening |
| 06:43.52 | klys | check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:44.03 | klys | o ic |
| 06:44.06 | findlay | well, I put it back and it solved everything |
| 06:44.26 | klys | what's your favorite terminal |
| 06:44.43 | findlay | gnome-terminal |
| 06:45.07 | klys | yeah I guess it works with tabs |
| 06:45.33 | findlay | I find I use screen more than tabs |
| 06:46.13 | klys | does your windowmanager allow you to undecorate windows? |
| 06:46.43 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:46.51 | klys | nwhat window manager |
| 06:46.56 | findlay | enlightenment |
| 06:46.59 | klys | k |
| 06:47.02 | findlay | fluxbox will do it too |
| 06:47.11 | klys | I use fluxbox for it |
| 06:47.14 | findlay | most thin wm's do it |
| 06:47.27 | klys | tried qiv ? |
| 06:47.44 | findlay | but sometimes I find that the titlebar gives useful information |
| 06:47.53 | findlay | so I haven't quite parted with it yet |
| 06:50.45 | klys | findlay what are you up to |
| 06:50.55 | findlay | playing tetris |
| 06:53.02 | klys | is there a linux puzzle game similar to brix or the game where groups of blocks explode? |
| 06:54.19 | klys | supaplex what are you up to |
| 06:56.24 | findlay | klys: probably |
| 06:58.42 | findlay | Tene: so when are you going to fix my enlightenment? |
| 06:58.52 | findlay | you are a guru after all |
| 06:59.06 | Tene | findlay: you have up-to-date e and up-to-date themes? |
| 06:59.24 | Supaplex | klys: attempting to allow dosemu baremetal access to lpt1: - but it no like me. |
| 06:59.31 | findlay | Tene: can't you just hack into my box and hack it for me? |
| 06:59.36 | findlay | s/fix/ |
| 07:00.11 | Tene | of course, but I'm not going to bother if you're not up-to-date |
| 07:00.23 | klys | you're using ioportaccess, and you don't have modules lp, plip, nor parport_pc loaded? |
| 07:00.25 | findlay | besides, dosbox plays all the games I want :) |
| 07:01.40 | findlay | Tene: I'm running e-0.16.999.041 and my themes are current from get-e.org |
| 07:01.54 | klys | also cat /proc/ioports |
| 07:02.43 | Tene | findlay: backed up and cleared your config? |
| 07:02.53 | findlay | Tene: good idea |
| 07:04.43 | Supaplex | klys: http://rafb.net/p/0i0Z5288.html |
| 07:05.00 | Supaplex | no plip module loaded either. |
| 07:06.39 | Supaplex | supaplex@armada:~$ xdosemu -s |
| 07:06.40 | Supaplex | Running privileged (via sudo) in full feature mode |
| 07:06.59 | Supaplex | however, dir > lpt1: stalls forever. msd says there's no lpt ports. |
| 07:07.45 | Supaplex | the only time msd ever saw lpt ports is when $_lptX = something... |
| 07:08.07 | Supaplex | but that's not baremetal access, even if it's raw. |
| 07:08.31 | klys | does /dev/lp0 work if you insmod lp ? |
| 07:09.19 | Supaplex | I stopped cups, but yesterday I was printing to it |
| 07:10.33 | klys | and you haven't saved the bios since then |
| 07:10.49 | Supaplex | huh? |
| 07:10.51 | klys | or changed out any cards |
| 07:10.56 | Supaplex | no |
| 07:11.27 | findlay | my debit card looks the same as it did yesterday |
| 07:12.48 | klys | supaplex I don't really know. try bochs |
| 07:13.25 | klys | supaplex had you ever tested the board out I was asking you about? |
| 07:14.05 | Supaplex | klys: no. it's .. burried around here somewhere. :P |
| 07:14.31 | klys | seemed like you were about to one night then you conked out |
| 07:14.43 | findlay | heh |
| 07:14.57 | Supaplex | yea, but I didn't have jumpers or something |
| 07:15.11 | klys | right, so I should ask you sometime |
| 07:15.29 | Supaplex | yeah sometime. |
| 07:16.01 | klys | are you going to try bochs ? |
| 07:16.20 | Supaplex | I think I'd rather try real hardware :) |
| 07:17.24 | Supaplex | hummm |
| 07:17.26 | klys | did you ever have a problem with the printer port like it didn't work with ecp or bidirectionally |
| 07:19.19 | Supaplex | not as far as I know |
| 07:19.39 | klys | do you have a null printer cable |
| 07:20.12 | klys | makes for a pretty slow network, really |
| 07:20.28 | klys | faster than floppies though |
| 07:21.32 | klys | oh and this network configuration does not work with any known windows setup |
| 07:22.01 | Supaplex | never undersetimate the throuhput of a truck full of blueray discs headded down the freeway :) |
| 07:22.09 | klys | haha |
| 07:25.42 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/D1kaG818.html |
| 07:26.10 | Supaplex | brb, rebooting into a vserver kernel |
| 07:29.26 | Supaplex | yay. |
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| 10:26.04 | Supaplex | ~chase down brac |
| 10:26.04 | ibot | ACTION chases down brac |
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| 15:06.24 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 15:06.25 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at cridrferi |
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| 15:52.56 | Jayce^ | oh sure goozbach, try and warn people.... spoilsport :-p |
| 15:53.05 | Jayce^ | actually, most the team is very much non-geeks |
| 15:53.38 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 15:54.03 | fozzmoo | no one would ever suspect paintball enthusiasts as being socially arrested. |
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| 15:56.32 | elg | ~paintball jsmith |
| 15:56.46 | elg | ~paint jsmith |
| 15:56.47 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on jsmith |
| 15:57.05 | jsmith | elg: Speaking of paintball |
| 15:57.19 | jsmith | Anybody have a really nice paintball setup they want to sell me at a bargain? |
| 15:57.49 | Jayce^ | jsmith, what price range |
| 15:57.56 | Jayce^ | and what features are you most looking for? |
| 15:58.48 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:59.26 | jsmith | Jayce^: I dunno... $150 bucks or so... something that'll get me started and at least give me a fighting chance as I learn to play |
| 15:59.49 | jsmith | Jayce^: Is that an unrealistic expectation for that price range? |
| 15:59.51 | Jayce^ | you can get some tippmann 98 based sets in that range.. new even |
| 16:00.03 | jsmith | Yeah... I could buy one of those at Walmart, right? |
| 16:00.05 | Jayce^ | you won't be doing tourney's but in average play it's great |
| 16:00.06 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 16:00.15 | jsmith | OK... maybe I'll just do that |
| 16:00.21 | Jayce^ | the Spyder MR* series are ok beginner ones in that range.. |
| 16:00.28 | Jayce^ | but stay away from all the others in that price |
| 16:00.42 | jsmith | I know next to nothing about paintball guns, so the advice is helpful |
| 16:00.45 | Jayce^ | best bet is the Tippman 98 or a5 (a little bit more) |
| 16:00.48 | jsmith | (I haven't played in 10 years) |
| 16:00.51 | Jayce^ | in that range |
| 16:00.56 | jsmith | OK... |
| 16:00.59 | Jayce^ | they are solid, dependable, upgradable |
| 16:01.36 | goozbach | if you double your range, you can get the new fancy X-7 |
| 16:01.44 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 16:02.23 | Jayce^ | goozbach, I'm telling ya, just buy the ego, you'll be much happier |
| 16:03.01 | jsmith | goozbach: But realistically, what's that gonna set me back, once I get the gun, hopper, tank, etc? |
| 16:03.20 | Jayce^ | jsmith, exactly.. |
| 16:03.22 | goozbach | yeah |
| 16:03.36 | herlo | Jayce^: don't sell all of the markers before I get one... |
| 16:03.39 | Jayce^ | if you can go to the a5, it is worth it, imho.. but the 98 is still useful.. |
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| 16:03.54 | jsmith | See... the only way I'm gonna be able to get away with playing at all is if it doesn't make too much of a blip on the budget radar |
| 16:03.56 | Jayce^ | wtiff have my wife's original model 98, thing is a tanki |
| 16:04.47 | goozbach | yeah get a 98 custom |
| 16:04.56 | jsmith | My neighbors were showing me their $400 guns, composite tanks, lightweight pistons, etc... but they're really serious players |
| 16:04.59 | Jayce^ | then buy a new barrel :) |
| 16:05.31 | Jayce^ | can get a CP for $30 or so, and it's a great upgrade.. dont' pay much more than that, and don't get too long of one.. it's not as good as little kids think :) |
| 16:05.41 | Jayce^ | jsmith, at only $400, not very serious :-p |
| 16:06.09 | jsmith | Jayce^: Alright... I'll take your word for it. If I spend $400, I'm gonna buy a gun that shoots real bullets ;-) |
| 16:06.13 | Jayce^ | just tell them your friend is hawking off his custom 07 ego, because he's planning on getting a custom 08SL |
| 16:06.23 | Jayce^ | jsmith, I buy those too :) |
| 16:07.15 | Jayce^ | umm, a bit more than 400 :) |
| 16:07.25 | goozbach | it's a sexy gun |
| 16:07.28 | herlo | Jayce^: bring it down on Saturday |
| 16:07.29 | Jayce^ | actually, to somebody here I'd go down to $700 (great deal) |
| 16:07.35 | Jayce^ | that's just the gun though |
| 16:07.51 | Jayce^ | herlo, oh, I will :) |
| 16:08.15 | Jayce^ | goozbach, so you going to play with us? |
| 16:08.20 | goozbach | sadly I won't be able to play paintball. |
| 16:08.22 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:08.28 | goozbach | I have to get things ready for the wedding |
| 16:08.48 | Jayce^ | goozbach, then paintball is exactly what you'll need... |
| 16:08.50 | goozbach | I *REALLY* want to play paintball, but Charity would kill me |
| 16:09.25 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you have to teach her... get her expectations to the right level... |
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| 16:10.38 | goozbach | Jayce^: yeah... see, if i get hurt two days before the wedding... |
| 16:10.52 | findlay | heh |
| 16:10.58 | goozbach | and the way my luck has been going lately I'm not going to chance it |
| 16:11.43 | goozbach | I just got my car out of impound this morning |
| 16:11.50 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.45 | herlo | Jayce^: sweet, I will be interested in looking forward to seeing it... |
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| 16:23.43 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Why was your car impounded? |
| 16:23.48 | fozzmoo | I guess I missed something. |
| 16:25.08 | jsmith | goozbach: We're eager to hear the story! |
| 16:25.20 | Jayce^ | goozbach, do tell.... |
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| 16:39.58 | maquis | storytime!!!!! |
| 16:40.53 | fozzmoo | That Wifi shirt rox |
| 16:40.55 | fozzmoo | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/zoom/ |
| 16:44.42 | goozbach | So... Friday... |
| 16:45.36 | goozbach | I left work early, I wasn't feeling well. ( I was starting to get a cold, probally from all the pre-wedding stress ). |
| 16:46.18 | goozbach | and so I'm heading home, and because I've been so busy with work, and getting ready for the wedding and whatnot, I hadn't taken care of getting my car registered in GA |
| 16:46.45 | goozbach | so I've been driving around with plates that expired back in March. |
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| 16:46.58 | goozbach | Utah plates nonetheless |
| 16:47.30 | goozbach | the worst part is that I had let my car insurance lapse... (FYI that's a *BAD* idea) |
| 16:47.59 | goozbach | and so I'm driving home from work, and I get pulled over by one of Cobb County's finest. |
| 16:48.26 | goozbach | well, I've got expired tags you see, and that's only semi-illegal |
| 16:48.36 | goozbach | not a really big deal. |
| 16:48.53 | goozbach | but, not having insurance *IS* a big deal. |
| 16:49.30 | goozbach | and also, you're spossued to get your car registred in a new state within 30 days of moving there. |
| 16:49.44 | goozbach | (I've been living in Georgia since July) |
| 16:49.48 | Jayce^ | ~mock goozbach |
| 16:49.48 | ibot | ACTION pulls goozbach's pants down and shows the world goozbach's pink spotted underwear |
| 16:49.51 | goozbach | so I got three tickets. |
| 16:50.04 | goozbach | 1. expired tags (NBD I kinda figured) |
| 16:50.28 | goozbach | 2. failure to register new resident (kinda a big deal but whatever) |
| 16:51.14 | goozbach | and 3. No Proof of Insurance. (Really big deal, ala "step out of the car son and call someone to come pick you up, you can't drive this anymore") |
| 16:51.41 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yeeesh. |
| 16:51.48 | goozbach | so, my car got towed away, I had to call my future mother-in-law for a ride |
| 16:52.18 | goozbach | and I had to wait all weekend for the police dept headquarters to open so I could get the impound released. |
| 16:52.28 | goozbach | which I did this morning. |
| 16:52.39 | goozbach | turns out I had to pay $140 for the impound fees. |
| 16:53.14 | goozbach | which means two fewer tanks of gas during the week and a half I'll be in Utah. |
| 16:53.22 | goozbach | which means no trips north of Milford |
| 16:53.27 | goozbach | which means... |
| 16:53.31 | goozbach | no paintball :( |
| 16:53.49 | goozbach | now let that be a lesson to you all |
| 16:53.57 | goozbach | wear sunscreen. |
| 16:54.14 | goozbach | ... I mean, Get insurance. |
| 16:54.31 | goozbach | fun story, no? |
| 16:54.52 | sontek | Pretty good story =) |
| 16:55.22 | fozzmoo | Let that be a lesson to you all! |
| 16:56.10 | sontek | I had the samething happen to me when I moved out to Utah, a guy didn't tighten his lugnuts when he replaced his rim/tire, so when we were heading east on the 80 it fell off and hit my car. And I let my insurance expire figuring I'd just find a local agent when I got here |
| 16:56.35 | goozbach | the only <quote>good</quote> news of the whole spectical is that my court date isn't until January, so I'll still be able to afford my honeymoon. |
| 16:56.42 | sontek | and the guy didn't have insurance either, so I got stuck with a dented door, and a ticket for no insurance |
| 16:57.04 | fozzmoo | It's amazing to me that people don't have insurance. |
| 16:57.14 | goozbach | yeah, I was waiting until after the wedding so I could put Charity on my insurance as well |
| 16:57.14 | fozzmoo | I think I've gone 2-3 days, max, ever. |
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| 16:57.31 | goozbach | fozzmoo: pin a rose on your nose! |
| 16:57.33 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:58.09 | goozbach | luckily I wasn't speeding. |
| 17:00.29 | levi | I think all my tickets have gone off my record now. |
| 17:00.52 | fozzmoo | My brother gets tickets pretty regularlu. |
| 17:01.00 | fozzmoo | s/regularlu/regularly/ |
| 17:01.12 | fozzmoo | But he pays a lawyer to "take care of them." |
| 17:01.16 | fozzmoo | So, his record is clean. |
| 17:01.21 | herlo | before last year, I didn't have any |
| 17:01.28 | sontek | I only have 1, I get 1 speeding ticket every 3 years, Its good luck to keep one on there |
| 17:01.33 | fozzmoo | The last ticket I got, I had him hook me up with said lawyer. |
| 17:01.45 | fozzmoo | It wasn't cheap, but my record is clean too. |
| 17:01.50 | fozzmoo | That was at least 2 or 3 years ago. |
| 17:02.15 | sontek | fozzmoo: have you ever tried doing the driving school thing? |
| 17:02.27 | fozzmoo | I did that when I was 18 or so. |
| 17:02.31 | fozzmoo | It was fun. |
| 17:02.32 | sontek | fozzmoo: one of my coworkers has got out of having 4 speeding tickets on his record by doing driving school |
| 17:02.33 | levi | I did driving school a couple of times. |
| 17:02.52 | sontek | fozzmoo: no, they'll allow you to take driving school instead of having the ticket go on your record |
| 17:02.56 | levi | One time the instructor didn't show, so I only had to be there for ~10 minutes. :) |
| 17:02.59 | goozbach | I've only ever gotten one speeding ticket |
| 17:03.01 | sontek | haha, nice =) |
| 17:03.08 | goozbach | and it was in a speed trap |
| 17:03.13 | goozbach | so I don't count it |
| 17:03.14 | fozzmoo | There was a girl -- a real blonde -- in my "class" that shared some stories about going incredibly ridiculous speeds through 25MPH zones... |
| 17:03.25 | fozzmoo | and how she had her license suspended and then revoked... |
| 17:03.34 | fozzmoo | and then admitted that she drove her Cabriolet to the class. |
| 17:03.44 | levi | Heh. |
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| 17:06.06 | brasto | did I miss the plug meeting, or is it this week? |
| 17:06.14 | brasto | I couldn't find the calendar on the website... |
| 17:06.16 | Jayce^ | I've had 1 ticket, 29 in a 25 zone... had to do the school thing |
| 17:06.30 | Jayce^ | brasto, should be on the plug site... it's this week, at omniture |
| 17:06.42 | Jayce^ | yeah, it's there |
| 17:07.37 | thaddeusq | brasto: http://www.plug.org/node/101 |
| 17:07.37 | brasto | thank you Jayce^ and thaddeusq |
| 17:08.00 | herlo | on Friday we start looking into this actually |
| 17:08.30 | sontek | When we went to court for my friend's speeding ticket (speeding and driving on a suspended license), before he did his, there was this smoking hot blonde that was up and she was speeding 30mph over the limit, suspended license, expired tags, and the judge was like 'if you get your license reinstated within 90 days you'll pay $100 fine, or else its $500". The Joe got up, with 10mph over and a suspended license only, and the judge was like |
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| 17:12.19 | fozzmoo | http://www.fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/2007/11/linus-torvalds-a-man-who-under.html |
| 17:12.29 | fozzmoo | sontek: The judge was like... WHAT?! LIKE WHAT?! |
| 17:13.09 | levi | I'm guessing he didn't get off as easy. |
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| 17:15.19 | findlay-w | what bugs me is when cops seem more concerned with how fast you're driving instead of your overall safety consciousness |
| 17:16.01 | brasto | herlo: I'd love to see that |
| 17:16.19 | herlo | brasto: we're going to be working on it Friday at 3pm at Guru Labs |
| 17:16.25 | herlo | brasto: wanna come help us? |
| 17:16.33 | rsimpkins | herlo: How will it stay updated? |
| 17:16.35 | herlo | brasto: well, more like 4:30 actually |
| 17:16.37 | levi | findlay-w: What they're really concerned with, generally, is your revenue-generating potential. |
| 17:16.38 | brasto | herlo: will the centralized calendar have ics feeds? |
| 17:16.42 | herlo | rsimpkins: we're working on those details |
| 17:16.52 | findlay-w | levi: truly |
| 17:16.53 | rsimpkins | herlo: Will sigs have rights to add stuff to it, or will someone have to control it? |
| 17:16.56 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, that's how it works, we give you an ical file and say "have fun" :-p |
| 17:16.57 | brasto | herlo, I'll have to see if I can get off a little early, but I'd like to |
| 17:17.06 | herlo | rsimpkins: what I was hoping for was something that would be built in with a widget that each UG can use |
| 17:17.23 | herlo | brasto: rsimpkins: you guys are welcome to come and contribute. |
| 17:18.09 | herlo | not just for user groups, but for anyone holding an open source related event, whether social, technical, business or community releated |
| 17:18.16 | herlo | s/leat/lat/g |
| 17:18.23 | rsimpkins | herlo: I don't have time to help Friday - on call. What I would like to do is understand what on my side (if anything) I need to start getting queued up. |
| 17:18.34 | rsimpkins | herlo: Happy to wait until you have the details. |
| 17:18.50 | herlo | rsimpkins: I think we'll have somethign useful come next week |
| 17:18.56 | herlo | at least how we're going to do it... |
| 17:19.41 | herlo | rsimpkins: but I can point you to a couple things right now from my head |
| 17:20.14 | jsmith | herlo: CalDAV? |
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| 17:20.25 | herlo | jsmith: probably |
| 17:20.30 | herlo | rsimpkins: http://plan.utos.org/wiki/UTOS:Widgets |
| 17:21.42 | herlo | rsimpkins: btw, plan is being redone at http://collective.utos.org and then plan will become the planning wiki for UTOSC |
| 17:21.52 | herlo | but the widgets aren't there yet... |
| 17:22.13 | brasto | herlo: I'd suggest a simple rsync or perhaps a chron wget job for those who already have ics files - e.g.: uphpu |
| 17:24.00 | herlo | brasto: caldav can help with that sort of thing, but yeah |
| 17:24.22 | sontek | Yeah, I think the proper way to do it would tell each group to setup their own ics, so you don't have to deal with the politics of who gets permissions and who doesn't, allow the user groups to do that |
| 17:24.33 | sontek | and then you can just be a calendar planet |
| 17:24.54 | brasto | sontek: that would work if all the groups were motivated to make ical files |
| 17:25.14 | findlay-w | make a template for them? |
| 17:25.15 | sontek | if they aren't motivated enough to make the ical, they aren't going to be motivated enough to update whatever Clint makes :P |
| 17:25.26 | brasto | perhaps simply give ical files to those who don't have their own and synch the ones that have one... but either way may work just as well... |
| 17:25.54 | brasto | sontek: that may be true... does that include PLUG since PLUG doesn't have an ical? |
| 17:26.04 | brasto | or does it have one that I've never found... |
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| 17:26.40 | sontek | brasto: it includes plug more than most, they are so lazy they forget to have meets! |
| 17:27.15 | brasto | sontek: lol - true! |
| 17:27.19 | rsimpkins | So who would like to volunteer to the be the PLUG ical wrangler? :) |
| 17:27.20 | nick125 | ugh, my DSL is broken. |
| 17:27.57 | brasto | ~give nick125 a better DSL connection |
| 17:27.58 | ibot | ACTION gives a better DSL connection to nick125 |
| 17:28.36 | nick125 | Within the last 12 hours, it's resynced about 35 times. |
| 17:29.11 | herlo | sontek: I have no intention of *making* anything, more about trying to figure out how to get things like blog posts and make them into events |
| 17:29.23 | herlo | helping the groups announce their meetings and other things... |
| 17:29.46 | brasto | rsimpkins: I'm not sure I'll have time anytime soon, but perhaps I can help. here's one idea for you that can make it simple... |
| 17:29.48 | sontek | Yeah, I just think openclue and the mailing lists already solve that |
| 17:30.18 | herlo | sontek: to a point, but many business people don't know about openclue, which btw is also at planet.utosf.org |
| 17:30.51 | sontek | yeah, but shouldn't we just market whats already there? |
| 17:31.04 | sontek | If business people don't know about it, tell them =) |
| 17:31.15 | herlo | sontek: we do |
| 17:31.19 | sontek | herlo: openclue.org is shorter to type |
| 17:31.28 | herlo | sontek: its true |
| 17:31.32 | herlo | sontek: but |
| 17:31.40 | herlo | sontek: business people don't know about openclue |
| 17:31.52 | herlo | and some of them know about utosf.org |
| 17:32.06 | herlo | more will know after this year's conference too |
| 17:32.25 | brasto | rsimpkins: here it is... PLUG.org uses Drupal. There's a Drupal module for events that includes a dynamically generated ical feed: http://drupal.org/project/event |
| 17:33.06 | brasto | Here's my Drupal event page: http://flfn.org/event |
| 17:33.35 | brasto | There's a link on that page to the ical feed - unless it |
| 17:33.45 | herlo | brasto: how does that work? |
| 17:33.46 | brasto | unless it's broken by friendly urls... |
| 17:33.58 | herlo | brasto: is that based upon the posts or only calendar entries? |
| 17:34.18 | herlo | what I was tryign to get at before sontek pointed out that openclue.org is shorter to type was |
| 17:34.34 | herlo | that sometimes people don't update their calendars, but they do update their blogs |
| 17:34.35 | brasto | herlo - it's based on a particular content type called an "event" - something you post in the web gui |
| 17:34.49 | brasto | it does not read ical feeds, but it provides a sort of virtual ical feed |
| 17:34.55 | herlo | scraping their blogs is an ideal way to determin if its an event or something that should go on the calendar |
| 17:35.12 | herlo | and since the blogs are an rss feed, it can sure help |
| 17:35.30 | brasto | the event module also provides an rss feed for posted events |
| 17:35.45 | brasto | people would just have to post an event as an event rather than as a blog |
| 17:35.50 | herlo | brasto: that'd work! |
| 17:36.24 | brasto | herlo, note that this page has both an rss feed icon and an ical feed icon: http://flfn.org/event |
| 17:37.15 | herlo | in this way, we can provide not only tools for those who just post, but also for those who do calendars. We'll then generate a plugin or an rss/ical feed (probably all) back to the communities and they can do with them as they please. Hopefully, we'll be adding more as we continue |
| 17:37.26 | herlo | brasto: yeah, clicked on it, haven't looked yet, thx though |
| 17:38.58 | brasto | herlo and rsimpkins - I sent the wrong module link... the one that provides the ical and rss is not the event module, it's the Calendar module: http://drupal.org/project/calendar |
| 17:39.16 | brasto | I have not played with this enough to see if it integrates with the event module... |
| 17:51.32 | herlo | brasto: we'll be looking at it on friday... :) |
| 17:52.32 | goozbach | so I just did a yum update |
| 17:52.42 | goozbach | saw a fun package: |
| 17:52.47 | goozbach | libsexy |
| 17:53.00 | herlo | goozbach: yeah, that's been around for awhile |
| 17:55.44 | goozbach | herlo: put that one on your POD |
| 17:57.17 | herlo | goozbach: POW? |
| 17:57.44 | goozbach | oh yeah |
| 17:57.51 | goozbach | package of the <whatever> |
| 17:58.02 | fozzmoo | POM! |
| 17:58.25 | Kemotaha | POY! |
| 17:58.33 | fozzmoo | POS! |
| 17:58.33 | jsmith | Package of the Millennium? |
| 17:58.40 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Or minute. :) |
| 17:58.41 | goozbach | package of the infinumim |
| 17:58.48 | herlo | Program of the Week |
| 17:58.48 | jsmith | fozzmoo: No, that's already been written |
| 17:58.49 | herlo | POW |
| 17:58.55 | herlo | (tm) |
| 17:59.04 | goozbach | pimple of the mouth? |
| 17:59.18 | rsimpkins | I don't have time to fiddle with yet another drupal module. It took me months to get the ones we have workin! |
| 17:59.33 | rsimpkins | Drupal is easy, but I pushed the limits a bit too far with PLUG IMHO. |
| 18:00.21 | rsimpkins | I think we have 20 modules - most of them customized in some way. |
| 18:00.37 | rsimpkins | Quite a few of them patched so they will not break other modules. |
| 18:00.49 | fozzmoo | goozbach: We've got a lot of pimple of the mouth here on #utah |
| 18:00.50 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:03.31 | herlo | rsimpkins: ahh, yes. I'm hoping its a drop-in module that we'll maintain at projects.utosf.org |
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| 18:05.23 | rsimpkins | I guess I'm part programmer. |
| 18:07.30 | sontek | Programming is a waste, all the business people want is Web 2.0/Ajax because all our competitors are doing it, what they don't realize is they are breaking the Internet! |
| 18:07.37 | bonez39 | why the doubt, rsimpkins |
| 18:07.39 | rsimpkins | It looks like nearly 80% of PLUG members consider themsevles experienced, advanced, or highly experienced Linux users. |
| 18:08.01 | rsimpkins | Either we have really big egos, or we all have been using Linux for a while. :) |
| 18:08.03 | bonez39 | I am clearly in the 20% |
| 18:08.28 | levi | rsimpkins: I vote for #1. Except for my case... I really have been using it for a while. ;) |
| 18:08.30 | findlay-w | I'm, like, ultra advanced I think |
| 18:09.16 | sontek | I'm off the charts advanced! |
| 18:09.30 | levi | My linux administration skills have actually degraded lately, though, because I just don't care about administering linux machines at an advanced level anymore. |
| 18:09.33 | sontek | The database would collapse if it knew how advanced I am |
| 18:09.41 | findlay-w | great, sontek. Now I want to get one of those Asus deals |
| 18:09.45 | levi | But I know more about Linux programming than I used to. |
| 18:09.54 | sontek | findlay-w: w00t, gogogogoo |
| 18:09.54 | herlo | findlay-w: that was me |
| 18:10.02 | sontek | herlo: no, you said it a half hour after me |
| 18:10.06 | levi | Programming is more interesting than administrating, anyway. ) |
| 18:10.07 | sontek | herlo: copy cat! |
| 18:10.07 | herlo | sontek: you're fired |
| 18:10.08 | levi | ;) |
| 18:10.15 | herlo | sontek: I said it three weeks ago |
| 18:10.22 | herlo | and they have a great article in LJ for it too |
| 18:10.23 | findlay-w | but I'm reticent to buy one while it's still the top model |
| 18:10.26 | sontek | herlo: I said it infinity x 1 ago, n00b! |
| 18:10.54 | herlo | sontek: you're the n00b who doesn't realize that infinity times anything is still infinity |
| 18:11.07 | herlo | findlay-w: they have a lower end model for around $299 |
| 18:11.17 | findlay-w | herlo: I don't see it |
| 18:11.32 | herlo | me neither, but that's what LJ said |
| 18:11.34 | herlo | I'm looking for it |
| 18:11.41 | findlay-w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfinite_number |
| 18:11.47 | sontek | ~mock herlo's math skills |
| 18:11.47 | ibot | ACTION pulls herlo's math skills's pants down and shows the world herlo's math skills's pink spotted underwear |
| 18:11.55 | rsimpkins | Random Statement: Dude, I got a Dell. And I like it. |
| 18:12.02 | findlay-w | ~dell herlo |
| 18:12.03 | ibot | Dude! herlo's getting a dell! |
| 18:12.10 | herlo | I wonder if their only selling the 4G and not the 2G version for now |
| 18:12.21 | findlay-w | 4 G's |
| 18:12.23 | findlay-w | hmm |
| 18:12.42 | herlo | findlay-w: its called the eeepc 4G |
| 18:13.03 | findlay-w | so, naturally the 2G model would be eeepc 2G :) |
| 18:13.04 | herlo | Transfinite numbers are cardinal numbers or ordinal numbers that are larger than all finite numbers, yet not necessarily absolutely infinite. |
| 18:13.11 | findlay-w | correct |
| 18:13.21 | findlay-w | I know |
| 18:13.23 | herlo | findlay-w: :) |
| 18:13.29 | findlay-w | I read it |
| 18:13.40 | findlay-w | cool stuff |
| 18:13.42 | herlo | the point I am making is that infinite would still technically be larger |
| 18:14.00 | herlo | The Absolute Infinite is mathematician Georg Cantor's concept of an "infinity" that transcended the transfinite numbers |
| 18:14.12 | sontek | my point is that I said infinity x 1! |
| 18:14.30 | herlo | sontek: and anything X 1 is still that number |
| 18:14.36 | findlay-w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity |
| 18:14.36 | herlo | thus infinity |
| 18:14.50 | findlay-w | I guess you can arrive at 'infinity' in various ways |
| 18:14.58 | sontek | ~n00b herlo |
| 18:15.15 | fozzmoo | So... anyone have any experience with Shorewall? |
| 18:15.25 | findlay-w | yay for multiplicitive identity! |
| 18:15.39 | findlay-w | s/i/a/ |
| 18:15.55 | findlay-w | s/ci/ca/ |
| 18:16.33 | findlay-w | dude, the mult. identity doesn't even change the cardinality or whatever |
| 18:16.45 | findlay-w | by definition :) |
| 18:17.28 | fozzmoo | neybar: Good morning, sunshine. |
| 18:17.35 | herlo | findlay-w: does that mean I am correct? |
| 18:17.40 | findlay-w | herlo: basically |
| 18:17.42 | fozzmoo | What can you tell me about SHorewall? Would you use it for a corporate firewall at a data center? |
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| 18:18.34 | shadowwire | ~ping klys |
| 18:18.35 | ibot | pong klys |
| 18:18.39 | neybar | well shorewall is a set of config files and scripts that start iptables. So if you feel comfortable with iptables, I think that security wise shorewall should be ok also. |
| 18:18.47 | neybar | I find the convienence to be very nice. |
| 18:19.00 | findlay-w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicative_identity |
| 18:19.06 | neybar | As far as I can tell it isn't adding too much cruft or overhead |
| 18:19.31 | fozzmoo | neybar: So, say... 1 WAN port and 3 LAN ports. Shorewall can help make management of that easier? |
| 18:19.45 | neybar | definately |
| 18:19.57 | fozzmoo | K. Thx |
| 18:20.35 | levi | herlo: some infinities are larger than others, too. |
| 18:21.54 | beandog | shorewall and convenient dont belong in the same sentence together |
| 18:21.54 | neybar | when you are playing around with shorewall take note of the safe-start / safe-restart |
| 18:24.35 | ^Migs^ | holy crap: http://www.glumbert.com/media/ridehell |
| 18:25.25 | findlay-w | herlo, sontek: the real question ... does it have GPS? |
| 18:26.07 | findlay-w | besides, why would somebody want to load windows on such a cute little machine? |
| 18:27.13 | herlo | findlay-w: I'm planning on loading Fedora |
| 18:27.32 | fozzmoo | Vuurmuur looks cool (Another curses-based iptables frontend) |
| 18:27.58 | neybar | that is making me sick just watching it ^Migs^ |
| 18:28.26 | rsimpkins | Raise your hand if you have a portable MP3 player (iPod, etc), and enjoy listening to music. |
| 18:28.29 | herlo | ^Migs^: I'd ride that |
| 18:28.34 | levi | rsimpkins: I do. |
| 18:28.50 | beandog | fozzmoo, hmm that does look cool |
| 18:28.57 | rsimpkins | I'd like to have an ipod party after PLUG in our living room. |
| 18:29.08 | rsimpkins | So bring your players. :) |
| 18:29.38 | herlo | rsimpkins: we're thinking of having a UTOSC planning meeting after PLUG if that's possible... |
| 18:30.08 | rsimpkins | herlo: We can't stay too late, but I don't see that as an issue if you don't mind kickin' it in the lounge area. |
| 18:30.29 | herlo | rsimpkins: yeah, lounge aread |
| 18:30.30 | rsimpkins | herlo: You are planning on about 30 mins of presentation, right? |
| 18:30.34 | herlo | rsimpkins: yeah |
| 18:30.40 | rsimpkins | k |
| 18:30.44 | herlo | rsimpkins: I'm working on it now actually |
| 18:30.59 | herlo | rsimpkins: were we meeting today or tomorrow for testing? |
| 18:31.03 | rsimpkins | I'm hoping PLUG from now on goes about 30-45 mins per presentation, then we hang out until we get kicked out. :) |
| 18:31.13 | fozzmoo | Eh... FireHOL... not so much. |
| 18:31.14 | rsimpkins | herlo: Whenever. |
| 18:31.22 | levi | rsimpkins: So, how late do you think people will be around? |
| 18:31.25 | herlo | rsimpkins: I could come down tomorrow morning at 8am or so |
| 18:31.34 | rsimpkins | herlo: I am in bed at 8am. :) |
| 18:31.43 | sontek | I'll bring the beer! |
| 18:31.44 | herlo | rsimpkins: when do you start work? |
| 18:31.52 | rsimpkins | herlo: When I arrive. :) |
| 18:32.08 | herlo | rsimpkins: I can do it about 2-3pm if you prefer |
| 18:32.14 | rsimpkins | k, that's better. |
| 18:32.24 | herlo | rsimpkins: k, I'll call you when I am on my way tomorrow |
| 18:32.34 | rsimpkins | sounds good. |
| 18:33.39 | rsimpkins | Any how, I have this dumb idea. You bring your ipod and your phones. You plug your phones in to someone elses iPod and maybe hear something interesting/shocking/fun. Thus opening your mind to new types of music. |
| 18:34.14 | rsimpkins | As long as people don't mind hitting the next button if they hear something they don't appreciate. |
| 18:34.26 | rsimpkins | Like most people here probably would when listing to mine. :) |
| 18:34.37 | pelaofeliz | so while we're talking about the meeting -- have you considered having it during the day (say over lunch)? It's very rare that I can make it on a weeknight evening, but I could go to pretty much anything over lunch break... |
| 18:34.50 | levi | Sounds fun. I used to bring my iPod to parties and play interesting music for people. |
| 18:34.54 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: There are geek lunches often. |
| 18:35.03 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: They tend to be less formal. |
| 18:35.23 | levi | I wouldn't be able to show up until 8:30pm or so. Would anyone still be around? |
| 18:35.29 | herlo | levi: yes |
| 18:35.29 | fozzmoo | prolly. |
| 18:35.55 | rsimpkins | levi: I think we can be here until 9, 9:30 before we start to overstay our welcome. |
| 18:36.08 | rsimpkins | A director from Omniture will be present. |
| 18:36.26 | levi | I recall hanging out until way later than that at United Online a time or two. :) |
| 18:36.29 | rsimpkins | Right now that'll be at least the HR director, and NetOps director. |
| 18:37.22 | rsimpkins | levi: This is the first time for Omniture, so they are cautious. We need 'adult supervision' :) |
| 18:37.35 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:38.16 | rsimpkins | I think they are just curious in figuring out the type of crowd we are. Of course, I know how boring we all are, but they don't. ;) |
| 18:38.21 | sontek | so does that mean I should bring brown bags for the beer? |
| 18:40.32 | rsimpkins | sontek: Not if you bring enough for the directors too. :) |
| 18:41.36 | sontek | deal! |
| 18:41.59 | sontek | we need to talk with Squatters to make a PLUG beer |
| 18:42.01 | rsimpkins | I know most LUGs have beer. The good ones even have a sponsor supply it. |
| 18:42.14 | sontek | one of our clients (Salt Lake Convention and Visitors Bureau) has their own beer from Squatters :P |
| 18:42.18 | rsimpkins | Beer and pizza is pretty standard LUG fair outisde of Utah. :) |
| 18:42.34 | neybar | so are you shortening the presentations to allow more "hang out time"? I'm all for socializing, but personally I come to PLUG to learn. I'd hate to minimize that too much. |
| 18:43.00 | rsimpkins | neybar: We are trying to find the right balance. Work with us while we figure out what that balance is. |
| 18:43.26 | rsimpkins | neybar: Many people come to learn, many people come because they 'fit in' at least one night a week somwhere. |
| 18:43.28 | findlay-w | no way, man. Technical is so 2006. It's all about social now |
| 18:43.43 | findlay-w | :) |
| 18:44.15 | sontek | If I wanted to be social I'd join IRC! |
| 18:44.22 | sontek | I meet in person for knowledge! |
| 18:44.23 | neybar | seriously |
| 18:44.24 | sontek | ;) |
| 18:44.54 | rsimpkins | now wait a sec! :) |
| 18:45.01 | rsimpkins | << meets for the knowledge too. |
| 18:45.21 | rsimpkins | So if no one wants to socialize we'll just make herlo talk longer! |
| 18:45.37 | sontek | nooo, I want to socialize!! Don't make me listen to herlo for that long! |
| 18:45.55 | goozbach | libsexy is a bunch of gtk2 widget improvements |
| 18:46.00 | sontek | anything but that! |
| 18:46.05 | goozbach | http://www.chipx86.com/wiki/Libsexy |
| 18:46.45 | fozzmoo | A must-watch for Veterans Day: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/11/video-lumberjack-in-a-desert/ |
| 18:47.01 | neybar | all I'm saying is that it sounds like omniture is trying to make PLUG hip. If it gets too hip I'll stop fitting in, cause heavens knows I'm anything but hip/cool... :) |
| 18:47.20 | rsimpkins | neybar: Omniture isn't trying to make PLUG anything. |
| 18:47.31 | rsimpkins | neybar: I'm trying to get people coming to PLUG meetings again. |
| 18:47.38 | rsimpkins | neybar: 6 people showing up for a meeting is lame. |
| 18:47.41 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: I thought everything Omniture touched was hip/cool. :) |
| 18:48.01 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Hopefully none of it rubs off on us! ;-) |
| 18:48.39 | rsimpkins | We are all geeks here, right? |
| 18:48.51 | rsimpkins | Cause I certainly wanna fit in with the geeks. |
| 18:49.27 | fozzmoo | "Oh look at that James guy! He thinks he's so cool. He's probably in PLUG or UPHPU!" "Yeah. What a joke... Oh, Hi James! Liked your presentation today. very nice." |
| 18:49.34 | sontek | nope, i'm a cool kid! I wear abercrombie and wax my chest! |
| 18:51.23 | rsimpkins | neybar: What Omniture is doing is trying to give us a nice place to meet and relax. Discuss open source. Give us some goodies. And try to hire people. |
| 18:51.45 | beandog | yes but what kind of goodies? |
| 18:52.04 | rsimpkins | beandog: I have no clue. Could be lame, good be really good. |
| 18:52.19 | rsimpkins | beandog: I'll buy you a can of pop at least. :) |
| 18:52.22 | beandog | rawk |
| 18:52.24 | sontek | What other goodies do you need than working for Omniture! |
| 18:52.46 | rsimpkins | The HR people probably have some Omniture marketing swag to hand out. |
| 18:53.00 | rsimpkins | Who knows if that is what it is, but at least it is something. |
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| 18:56.37 | rsimpkins | neybar: Just so you know. I've got some really interesting technical presentations in the works, at least I hope they are interesting. |
| 18:57.00 | fozzmoo | Vuurmuur is pretty dang cool. |
| 18:58.04 | sontek | I think we should do a language debate! |
| 18:58.26 | fozzmoo | No, let's argue about semantics. |
| 18:58.49 | elg | no, let's argue about semantis of editors depending on which language you're editing |
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| 18:59.09 | rsimpkins | No. Let's debate about debates at PLUG meetings. |
| 18:59.38 | rsimpkins | how many for? how many against? |
| 18:59.47 | sontek | But the fun part would be you have to draw the language you are for/against out of a hat. |
| 18:59.49 | elg | 12 |
| 19:00.22 | rsimpkins | sontek: Careful, that'd cross the line from geeky to cheesy. :) |
| 19:00.32 | elg | no, i think it'd work |
| 19:00.37 | elg | if you had 10 minutes to research your position |
| 19:00.49 | elg | and they were all esoteric languages that people aren't already polarized on |
| 19:01.07 | sontek | rsimpkins: I think it'd be awesome because then we could get Jayce^ having to defend C#! |
| 19:01.21 | rsimpkins | sontek: We'd have to stack the hat just for him. :) |
| 19:02.15 | sontek | and ofcourse, fozz will have to defend java |
| 19:02.40 | rsimpkins | One thing I'd like to see PLUG do that is probably the most controversial is not have meetings if we can't have a good meeting. ie. If we don't have an interesting presentation - meeting cancled. |
| 19:03.03 | sontek | I think we should do open discussion instead |
| 19:03.15 | rsimpkins | We did an open mic night once. It was good. |
| 19:04.04 | fozzmoo | "If you want job security... uhm... learn some Java. Thank you. Next." |
| 19:05.10 | rsimpkins | The big problem PLUG is facing is the types of people who want to give presentations, and the ability of those people to put a room full of geeks in to a deep slumber. Combine that problem with a general lack of presentors and you've got an issue. |
| 19:05.35 | rsimpkins | By changing the premiss by which presentors are chosen, the interest in presenting is greatly increased. |
| 19:06.59 | sontek | Yeah, I think we could do something like, if you are a first time presenter you are limited to a 30 minute presentation. That way we can get a feel for who is good and who isn't |
| 19:07.26 | rsimpkins | I'd rather not experiment with people's time. |
| 19:07.36 | rsimpkins | I'd prefer that presentors not waste the members time at all. |
| 19:08.00 | sontek | but then you limit the amount of presenters you can get |
| 19:08.24 | sontek | I'm sure there are some good presenters that we haven't seen at a UG yet |
| 19:08.45 | sontek | or we just have open heckling, just like comedy shows, if you suck we'll boo you off stage |
| 19:08.47 | rsimpkins | When you come to a PLUG meeting you should leave 1) smarter than when you arrived. 2) excited about something. 3) feeling secure in your geekiness. |
| 19:09.20 | rsimpkins | sontek: there are lots of great presentors. there are also lots of really horrible ones. :) |
| 19:09.32 | sontek | haha, its true =) Thats why the heckling works |
| 19:09.39 | rsimpkins | Generally PLUG has done a wonderfully amazing job. |
| 19:11.48 | rsimpkins | It all comes down to this question: Why do you come to PLUG meetings? |
| 19:12.03 | rsimpkins | Or, the opposite really: Why do you NOT come to PLUG meetings? |
| 19:12.34 | rsimpkins | family/church/work responsibilites keep most people away most nights. |
| 19:12.51 | rsimpkins | Ruling out the obvious, what are we left with? |
| 19:13.00 | neybar | cheese |
| 19:13.27 | rsimpkins | neybar: you come for the cheese? |
| 19:13.29 | sontek | announcements of topics don't come out soon enough usually |
| 19:13.41 | rsimpkins | sontek: Yeah, something we are trying to fix. |
| 19:14.07 | rsimpkins | sontek: It is really hard. Some presentors are on the ball, others don't feel bad blowing you off. |
| 19:14.49 | sontek | yeah, we should get a list going of what presentations people are interested in |
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| 19:15.23 | rsimpkins | sontek: The list would be very helpful I think, but finding quality presentors to match that list could be pretty darn near impossible. |
| 19:15.34 | rsimpkins | I think it would be a helpful guilde. |
| 19:15.37 | rsimpkins | *guide. |
| 19:16.12 | rsimpkins | It takes a lot of work to put on these meetings. |
| 19:17.39 | rsimpkins | PLUG is such a diverse crowd it is impossible to have a meeting everyone will enjoy every time. That doesn't stop us from trying though. |
| 19:19.50 | rsimpkins | Really, there is no point if people like neybar, sontek, fozzmoo, elg, levi, etc don't come. |
| 19:20.05 | neybar | I don't think you need to worry about providing "entertaining" speakers though. If you happen to have an expert on a given subject that is also a great presenter great. I'd rather hear from some one who knows what they are talking about than a good presenter if that is the option. |
| 19:20.23 | rsimpkins | neybar: Amen. |
| 19:20.33 | rsimpkins | neybar: Those types of people are REALLY hard to get to come present. |
| 19:21.18 | rsimpkins | neybar: The often don't feel comfortable in front of a crowd, and they frequently have schedules that keep them extreamly busy. |
| 19:21.41 | rsimpkins | neybar: But if you have some connections.... ;) |
| 19:21.44 | sontek | I think we each just need to start recruiting people from our work to present |
| 19:21.57 | goozbach | the User groups around here seem to prefer a 1 day before announcement schedule (if you are lucky, if not it's "yesterday's meeting was awesome, here are pics") |
| 19:21.57 | levi | rsimpkins: I would totally be there every month if it weren't for my @#%! classes. |
| 19:22.04 | sontek | i'm sure there are some knowledgeable guys at Omniture or United Online that could present |
| 19:22.35 | neybar | heh, UO has been sucked pretty dry, I think we are on the third round at least of various people here. |
| 19:22.55 | levi | And I would present something if I could decide on something and didn't have to spend all my spare time doing homework. |
| 19:25.13 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: so you said that most can't show up in the evenings because of scheduling conflicts -- what other schedules have you tried? |
| 19:25.27 | pelaofeliz | Does a mid-day meeting not work because people are too spread out geographically? |
| 19:25.43 | levi | mid-day? |
| 19:25.53 | levi | Who has mid-days free? |
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| 19:26.13 | pelaofeliz | you don't get a lunch break? |
| 19:26.40 | levi | Not one that would allow driving down to Orem and back, plus a meaningful meeting length. |
| 19:26.43 | neybar | most people have an hour, take out travel, parking, etc that doesn't leave you with much |
| 19:27.24 | goozbach | what makes me mad is that groups like the VMware users group, don't seem to have a problem with meeting durning the workday |
| 19:27.29 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: The geek lunch thing is popluar, so I have been told. |
| 19:27.42 | goozbach | as a matter of fact, they tend to be "corprate sanctioned" |
| 19:27.57 | Kemotaha | rsimpkins: I could probably give a presentation about monitoring software. It would have to be February or later |
| 19:28.03 | Kemotaha | nagios and the like |
| 19:28.08 | pelaofeliz | yeah -- I know of other groups that meet weekly mid-day, and have decent turnout... |
| 19:28.26 | goozbach | Kemotaha: you are a nagios guru? |
| 19:28.27 | pelaofeliz | which is why I wonder why it's dismissed... |
| 19:28.39 | Kemotaha | goozbach: I am trying to become one :) |
| 19:28.41 | goozbach | I may need to borrow your mind for a bit, later |
| 19:28.52 | Kemotaha | anytime |
| 19:29.00 | goozbach | I'm trying to monitor my netapp filers and my F5 load balancer, and it's killing me. |
| 19:30.16 | Kemotaha | What is going wrong with it? |
| 19:31.01 | Supaplex | it's running ssh root@goozbach killall -u goozbach ;) |
| 19:31.10 | Kemotaha | lol |
| 19:31.31 | Kemotaha | though if it is nagios is would be killall -u nagios |
| 19:33.11 | Supaplex | fungus: do you miss helios so much you're bumping goozbachs' machines offline? :) |
| 19:34.34 | fungus | It's not my fault the Netapp F87 had the power button so prominently placed for easy bumping. |
| 19:35.40 | teabeer | anyone looking for a job? |
| 19:35.46 | Supaplex | and I don't blame you for the girly shreak when it went offline :) |
| 19:37.23 | goozbach | Kemotaha: I'm just having issues trying to wrap my head around SNMP I think |
| 19:37.54 | goozbach | I can't seem to get SNMP data from them in a clear manner so I can start writing the nagios plugins |
| 19:38.03 | rsimpkins | Kemotaha: That might work. Let me know what you have in mind. |
| 19:38.42 | jsmith | goozbach: Do you have the MIBs? |
| 19:39.00 | Kemotaha | you don't need the MIBs, if you have the right oids |
| 19:39.00 | fungus | goozbach: this is the nagios plugin I use for my Netapp filers. |
| 19:39.02 | fungus | http://nerhood.homeip.net/wordpress/archives/2006/06/19/monitoring-netapp-with-nagios-and-nagiosgraph/ |
| 19:39.17 | Kemotaha | the Mibs will cause some problems with the plugins sometimes |
| 19:39.25 | fungus | see http://nerhood.homeip.net/code/check_netapp for the actual code |
| 19:39.51 | Kemotaha | fungus has it right, there is code out there to monitor it |
| 19:40.11 | jsmith | Yeah, it's shouldn't be rocket science |
| 19:40.29 | jsmith | In fact, I'd be willing to be dollars to donuts that rsimpkins has a Nagios plugin for that already |
| 19:40.48 | fungus | some of it seems like it due to the 32 vs 64 bit counter problem in Netapp's version of snmp |
| 19:41.03 | Kemotaha | rsimpkins: I was thinking a basic overview of nagios, cacti, maybe opennms. Then maybe some details of how it is setup. For 30 minutes you can't go too deep. Or we could stick to one and talk about the configuration of it. |
| 19:41.59 | rsimpkins | Kemotaha: I could be wrong - but I think members would like more targeted specific info over general info. |
| 19:42.19 | Supaplex | how about some labs to? :) |
| 19:42.20 | rsimpkins | Kemotaha: What do you feel most 'expert' in? |
| 19:44.00 | Kemotaha | not sure yet :) I don't necessarily feel like an expert but I am managing ours and redoing it from scratch so I figured in a couple months I could give a pretty good presentation on it. |
| 19:44.20 | Kemotaha | Primarily Nagios. But we are going to intergrate cacti with nagios |
| 19:44.44 | rsimpkins | Kemotaha: Okay, let's see how things go. I bet you learn some interesting lessons in the next two months that the group would love to learn from. |
| 19:45.03 | Kemotaha | that's what I figure too |
| 19:45.20 | rsimpkins | I've got a presentor for Febuary, and probably January. So March/April is a good fit. |
| 19:45.27 | Kemotaha | I have looked into a bunch of the frontends already. |
| 19:46.11 | pelaofeliz | have you looked at Zabbix? |
| 19:46.47 | Kemotaha | yeah |
| 19:46.57 | goozbach | fungus: thanks |
| 19:47.09 | pelaofeliz | Nagios > Zabbix? |
| 19:47.14 | rsimpkins | Does everyone know Matt Assay? |
| 19:48.04 | elg | i want to make a header on my spreadsheet. by header i don't mean the ugly thing i always turn off when printing, I mean a couple rows/columns that stay put when scrolling down/right |
| 19:48.09 | elg | anyone know how to do that? |
| 19:48.16 | elg | ooo of course |
| 19:48.57 | pelaofeliz | Window->split |
| 19:49.16 | Kemotaha | pelaofeliz: Nagios is more extensible. I didn't play with Zabbix that much. Maybe I just didn't have the right mindset |
| 19:49.18 | pelaofeliz | elg: select a row, then do window->split |
| 19:49.55 | Kemotaha | pelaofeliz: it seemed like the setup for Zabbix wasn't very intuitive. |
| 19:50.02 | pelaofeliz | kemotaha: I haven't used Nagios, just Zabbix, but it does what I need... |
| 19:50.25 | Kemotaha | Nagios is lacking in the graphing end, but there are plugins to do it with |
| 19:50.44 | Kemotaha | The thing that nagios does better than the rest is the alerting capabilities |
| 19:50.58 | goozbach | I'm using munin and nagios |
| 19:53.18 | elg | hmmm, split is sort of right |
| 19:53.31 | elg | but I swear I've opened xls files where it was really a header |
| 19:53.40 | elg | with split I can scroll up in the bottom half and see the header twice |
| 19:53.54 | rsimpkins | elg: I think it is freeze. |
| 19:54.30 | rsimpkins | elg: select the row UNDER your header, then do freeze |
| 19:54.47 | rsimpkins | elg: That's probably what you want. |
| 19:55.44 | rsimpkins | elg: This is MS Excel? |
| 19:56.07 | rsimpkins | or Spreadsheet? |
| 19:57.59 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: I think he said he's using OpenOffice.org (Spreadsheet) |
| 19:58.17 | rsimpkins | ahh. |
| 19:59.42 | rsimpkins | It works in spreadsheet/OpenOffice as well. |
| 19:59.49 | rsimpkins | select row under the header - then choose freeze. |
| 20:00.14 | rsimpkins | Then there is some option to ensure that all frozen rows appear at the top when printing - can't recall where that is. |
| 20:07.25 | pelaofeliz | so I'm beating a dead horse now -- if the geek lunch is popular, why wouldn't a mid-day meeting work? |
| 20:07.54 | levi | Well, maybe it would work, but I probably wouldn't show up. |
| 20:08.37 | elg | rsimpkins: that's it, thanks |
| 20:09.50 | pelaofeliz | levi: do you go to the geek lunches? |
| 20:09.55 | levi | No. |
| 20:10.02 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: What I'm saying is that the geek lunches do what a mid-day meeting would do - at least - isn't that the point? |
| 20:10.42 | herlo | rsimpkins: geek lunches are more informal, but we do discuss geek things... |
| 20:11.02 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: dunno -- you were lamenting the low turnout at the evening meetings, so I thought a different schedule might give better turnout for the meetings |
| 20:11.26 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: I think our turnout would drop to next to nothing if we tried to have a formal meeting at lunch. |
| 20:12.03 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: fair enough. How come? |
| 20:12.04 | rsimpkins | The mailing list is growing, web traffic is growing, linkedin group growing, meeting attendance - not growing. |
| 20:13.28 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: I think a mid-day meeting would be difficult because people usually like to eat lunch - and many can't take extended lunches. |
| 20:14.25 | rsimpkins | I'd love to figure out a way to have a mini-conference. That could be interesting. Take the afternoon off work to get some Linux training. |
| 20:14.27 | pelaofeliz | what if you did a lunch meeting? go somewhere with food & a conference room, everybody eats while somebody presents, 2 birds with 1 stone and all that? |
| 20:14.49 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: I think you should do it! I'd come! :) |
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| 20:15.51 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: I bet Canyon Park would do it -- let everybody grab a meal at the cafeteria and use one of the conference rooms in that same building.. |
| 20:15.58 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: Call it a 'geek lunch' - I don't think they are formally organized. Maybe you can change that. |
| 20:16.12 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: They just might. |
| 20:16.28 | rsimpkins | I'd for sure come if it was just 100 feet away. :) |
| 20:16.41 | rsimpkins | Well, maybe more like 100 yards - but still. |
| 20:17.07 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: well, I was thinking as a replacement for the evening meetings rather than geek lunch... but I guess just in addition to would work, as well... |
| 20:17.45 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: I am all for addition. :) |
| 20:18.12 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: I think it works wonderfully as an addition. Someone just needs to organize it. |
| 20:18.21 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: You're in charge. :) |
| 20:18.44 | levi | I much prefer the evening meetings, since there's plenty of time for a presentation and socializing. It's just that I don't want to ditch class to go. |
| 20:19.28 | rsimpkins | levi: You can come after class I thought. :) |
| 20:19.34 | pelaofeliz | I'm in much the same boat -- I'd love to go to the evening meetings, but there's no way I could. But I can always do it at lunch. |
| 20:19.48 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: I think there would be some real interest. |
| 20:19.50 | fozzmoo | Saturdays. |
| 20:20.03 | nick125 | yay, I finally got the new phone line in to the DSL modem. It seems the remote attenuation went down a bit. |
| 20:20.12 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: Esspecially if canyon park let you put up a poster on the cafateria doors or something a week before the lunch. |
| 20:20.15 | levi | rsimpkins: Yeah, I may show up on Wednesday after class, but I'll probably have missed the presentation by then. |
| 20:20.35 | levi | I may not be able to come depending on how my wife is feeling, etc. |
| 20:20.48 | rsimpkins | Understood. |
| 20:21.17 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: could we have Canyon Park as an official sponsor, then? |
| 20:21.47 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: Of PLUG? If they hosted a PLUG lunch - you bet. |
| 20:21.51 | tensai | I would love to attend the meetings, but 4 hours is too long of a drive |
| 20:22.01 | fozzmoo | tensai: Yat? |
| 20:22.07 | tensai | fozzmoo: idaho falls |
| 20:22.09 | rsimpkins | tensai: You near an airport? ;-) |
| 20:22.26 | fozzmoo | Good ole' "Eye Eff." |
| 20:23.11 | tensai | rsimpkins: between the arm and a leg they charge and the body cavity search, I'll have to pass on the flying |
| 20:23.49 | rsimpkins | tensai: No doubt. I hear you on the cavity search. o.O |
| 20:24.13 | tensai | maybe if I got dinner first, you know. but it's just straight to the point with them. |
| 20:25.22 | rsimpkins | tensai: I think they get a bonus if they violate the most people or something. |
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| 20:35.54 | herlo | hello Turtle |
| 20:39.01 | herlo | fozzmoo: I have the KB banners in the back of my car. I forgot to drop them off today. How late will someone be there today? |
| 20:39.54 | fozzmoo | I'll be leaving at 3 |
| 20:40.01 | Lakshmi | hey fozzmoo |
| 20:40.06 | Lakshmi | how have you been |
| 20:40.06 | fozzmoo | Someone should be here until 6 |
| 20:40.13 | Lakshmi | i havent talked to u in forever |
| 20:40.15 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: HI! |
| 20:40.24 | Lakshmi | what are u upto? |
| 20:40.25 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Oh, I Haven't talked to you in forever either!!! |
| 20:40.30 | fozzmoo | I am up to working!!! |
| 20:40.31 | Lakshmi | mhm!!! |
| 20:40.35 | Lakshmi | aw thats so sad! |
| 20:40.46 | Lakshmi | im watching VH1 shortest marriages |
| 20:40.51 | Lakshmi | is more fun! |
| 20:41.11 | fozzmoo | There you go! |
| 20:41.32 | fozzmoo | Let's glamorize the drive-thru marriage. |
| 20:41.51 | Lakshmi | mhmm |
| 20:41.57 | Lakshmi | well actually ythey are talking bout |
| 20:42.03 | Lakshmi | lisa marie and nicholas cage |
| 20:42.47 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: What's on Discovery or Discovery Science right now? Anything interesting? |
| 20:43.01 | Lakshmi | i dont get that channel here |
| 20:43.04 | fozzmoo | Cuz... I can hear your brain turning to cottage cheese from here! |
| 20:43.13 | Lakshmi | its a dorm life |
| 20:43.26 | fozzmoo | No Discovery? |
| 20:43.27 | Lakshmi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.29 | fozzmoo | Only VH1? |
| 20:43.33 | Lakshmi | we have dicovery health |
| 20:43.41 | fozzmoo | Oh. That's a good one. |
| 20:43.41 | Lakshmi | and they are having miracle of babies |
| 20:43.51 | Lakshmi | so i get to watch prego ppl giving birth |
| 20:43.51 | fozzmoo | "Today... on Mystery Diagnosis..." |
| 20:44.00 | Lakshmi | oh thats on tmrw night |
| 20:44.02 | Lakshmi | i love that show |
| 20:44.12 | Lakshmi | that and life in the ER |
| 20:44.15 | Lakshmi | and tramau |
| 20:44.24 | Lakshmi | and other shows like that |
| 20:45.28 | fozzmoo | I want to know how much money these people get for letting Discovery Channel share their baby delivery with them. |
| 20:45.55 | Lakshmi | a lot prolly |
| 20:46.08 | Lakshmi | prolly enought to pay for the hospital bills |
| 20:46.08 | fozzmoo | It was crazy enough when we went into the labor and delivery center with the one or two doctors and the team of nurses. I can't imagine a crew of cameramen, gaffers, and directors. |
| 20:46.18 | Lakshmi | mhm |
| 20:46.25 | Lakshmi | and then they'll have ppl retape parts |
| 20:46.30 | Lakshmi | oh that dilation didnt look right |
| 20:46.32 | Lakshmi | retake! |
| 20:46.42 | fozzmoo | "This time, grunt... harder." |
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| 20:47.27 | Lakshmi | exactly |
| 20:47.31 | Lakshmi | it seems bad |
| 20:47.35 | Lakshmi | or its a reinactment |
| 20:47.44 | Lakshmi | im a bit too grossed out to watch and figure out |
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| 20:49.55 | herlo | not sure if anyone has seen this vid, but its prtty cool about the android platform from google |
| 20:51.32 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/yrnv7w |
| 20:56.15 | rsimpkins | On a shoot like that you have 2-3 camera, a PA or two, an Audio guy, and a producer. |
| 20:57.39 | levi | childbirth is pretty gross-looking. It's tolerable when it's /your/ kid being born, though. |
| 21:04.51 | herlo | $10million is available for developing cool apps on google's framework! |
| 21:06.40 | levi | Man, those guys have really stilted delivery. Sounds like they're reading off a prompter. |
| 21:10.01 | fozzmoo | Sergey: Use some of that money and get a haircut. |
| 21:11.21 | levi | android looks way better than most phone UIs. |
| 21:11.25 | herlo | fozzmoo: haha, I agree |
| 21:14.03 | herlo | fozzmoo: when I saw him at CES 2006, he looked much better |
| 21:14.24 | herlo | I see this as a huge move for google though and the handset looks awesome |
| 21:16.30 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I'm stoked. |
| 21:16.55 | fozzmoo | I think I'll hold off on buying that Centro, at least until I learn more more Android options. |
| 21:17.52 | tensai | as much as I like google, I'm hestitant to put all my eggs in their basket |
| 21:18.18 | tensai | android does look pretty cool though |
| 21:19.47 | levi | Maybe the bad hair and stilted delivery was an attempt to look/sound like an android. :P |
| 21:19.56 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 21:21.48 | ^Migs^ | what are some good companies to approach if I wanted to get computers donated to a school? |
| 21:22.47 | herlo | ^Migs^: what do you mean by that, are you donating them, or are they wanting donations? |
| 21:23.28 | jsmith | ^Migs^: What type of computers? Servers? Desktops? |
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| 21:25.07 | rsimpkins | Do schools even want donated computers? |
| 21:26.00 | herlo | rsimpkins: some do |
| 21:26.40 | ^Migs^ | anything |
| 21:26.48 | rsimpkins | Cool. Most schools I've worked with don't have the infrustructure, training, time, and staff to deal with a jump in computers. |
| 21:26.50 | ^Migs^ | Yes, since this school is just starting |
| 21:27.04 | ^Migs^ | best to get everything we can right now |
| 21:27.15 | rsimpkins | Is this like a private school or something? |
| 21:27.16 | ^Migs^ | and it'll be using LTSP, so ANYTHING donated would be used |
| 21:27.18 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 21:27.19 | ^Migs^ | charter school |
| 21:27.19 | herlo | ^Migs^: so they *want* computers |
| 21:27.37 | rsimpkins | LTSP? |
| 21:27.41 | ^Migs^ | yes, I guess nobody technically "NEEDS" computers |
| 21:27.42 | goozbach | is it just me or does fozz look like mancow? |
| 21:27.43 | goozbach | http://www.tv-heads.com/free/download_male_mancow.jpg |
| 21:27.48 | ^Migs^ | http://www.ltsp.org/ |
| 21:28.01 | ^Migs^ | easy way to set up thin clients. They'll all be running Edubuntu |
| 21:28.07 | rsimpkins | ahh. |
| 21:28.09 | fozzmoo | goozbach: My secret is out. |
| 21:28.46 | herlo | fozzmoo: and they say shiite right there |
| 21:28.47 | rsimpkins | I didn't know fozz was on fox. |
| 21:28.47 | ^Migs^ | I'm looking at a startup budget of about $20k |
| 21:29.04 | ^Migs^ | which I think is ridiculous |
| 21:29.29 | ^Migs^ | I'm hoping to get about 200 computers donated |
| 21:29.31 | herlo | ^Migs^: you could pull it off with that setup ^^ |
| 21:29.34 | ^Migs^ | Yeah, I think so |
| 21:29.42 | ^Migs^ | we're making heavy use of FOSS for everything. |
| 21:29.51 | ^Migs^ | human resources app, financial system, student information system, library system, etc. |
| 21:30.13 | ^Migs^ | OpenOffice on all the computers, free educational software. Frankly, I think it's gonna rock |
| 21:30.23 | fozzmoo | I think an older machine booting off USB would be the way I'd do it today. |
| 21:30.24 | rsimpkins | Who plays that SNL char about the company IT guy? Fallon? I think they title it "Your Company's Computer Guy" or something. |
| 21:30.33 | ^Migs^ | then about 6 months down the road hopefully we'll have more funding. I want to invest as much as possible in hardware and save as much as possible on software |
| 21:30.42 | rsimpkins | He bascially insults the users and what not. |
| 21:30.46 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 21:30.50 | ^Migs^ | great sketch |
| 21:31.32 | herlo | ^Migs^: which school? |
| 21:31.38 | ^Migs^ | Venture Academy: http://www.venturelearning.org |
| 21:31.47 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking of putting up a Donate page |
| 21:31.59 | herlo | ~lart fozzmoo from undertakingyou |
| 21:31.59 | ibot | whips fozzmoo from undertakingyou with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 21:32.38 | goozbach | dang, I'm looking for a good unshaven pic of fozz and all he has posted on his site are five-oclock shadow |
| 21:32.52 | fozzmoo | eh. |
| 21:33.11 | herlo | goozbach: its a perpetual shadow |
| 21:33.22 | fozzmoo | It's like a Playdoh Fun Factory, really. |
| 21:33.23 | herlo | goozbach: he shaves it with a #1 attachment on his razor |
| 21:33.42 | herlo | nice and short, but never clean shaven |
| 21:33.42 | goozbach | herlo: I know... I'm trying to find one with a couple days growth which will make him look more like mancow |
| 21:33.50 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why thin clients aren't the de facto standard in schools |
| 21:33.57 | thaddeusq | rsimpkins: Jimmy Fallon plays Nick Burns |
| 21:34.06 | herlo | ^Migs^: because of M$ |
| 21:34.07 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Because hardware vendors want to sell more. |
| 21:34.15 | ^Migs^ | well, I guess I know WHY |
| 21:34.32 | ^Migs^ | schools r dumb |
| 21:34.33 | elg | because it takes skill to manage thin clients |
| 21:34.38 | ^Migs^ | no it doesn't |
| 21:34.42 | ^Migs^ | it takes skill to set them up |
| 21:34.46 | elg | well, ok |
| 21:34.51 | ^Migs^ | managing them is cake |
| 21:34.52 | herlo | ^Migs^: and school administrators don't really know enough to make *good* decisions on computer purchases |
| 21:35.08 | rsimpkins | thaddeusq: Nick Burns. Right on. |
| 21:35.17 | rsimpkins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Burns,_Your_Company's_Computer_Guy |
| 21:35.22 | ^Migs^ | The problem is often that they become too married to the technology |
| 21:35.35 | herlo | ^Migs^: because they don't know any better |
| 21:35.44 | ^Migs^ | they invest in it early on, because they're not aware of anything else, and then it just becomes so integrated they can't change |
| 21:36.06 | ^Migs^ | there was a school district in Canada that made the transition to being entirely open source, and it took them 10 years to do so |
| 21:36.17 | rsimpkins | Oh by the way. YOUR WELCOME! |
| 21:46.26 | levi | ^Migs^: Managing them is cake when you know how to manage thin clients. |
| 21:46.48 | levi | ^Migs^: And when you know that such a thing actually exists. |
| 21:56.18 | jsmith | And running thick-clients as if they were thin clients works too, and can often be cheaper than buying real thin-clients |
| 22:00.52 | ^Migs^ | how so, jsmith? |
| 22:01.05 | pelaofeliz | the nice thing about thin clients, though, is that they're very low maintenance -- many have no moving parts, so unless they get abused, they should outlast a thick client by a fair margin |
| 22:01.44 | ^Migs^ | I might actually want to consider thick clients for some. The one problem is that I want to include some applications that would benefit from a 3d hardware accelerator, like Celestia or Alice |
| 22:02.15 | ^Migs^ | rather than buy graphics cards for everything, might be cheaper to use thick clients. |
| 22:02.24 | ^Migs^ | although maybe there's a few things I haven't quite looked into |
| 22:02.24 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Sometimes thin clients are more expensive than a cheap PC (think the $200 Walmart.com variety). But you can manage a real PC as if it were a thin client (network booting, etc.) |
| 22:02.40 | ^Migs^ | jsmith: they're not more expensive if they're all donated, which is my goal |
| 22:02.48 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 22:03.35 | ^Migs^ | I'm hoping we can have plenty of computers with NICs with boot rom capability, but can't really count on it. I imagine we could find some cheap NICs for about $10 each. We'll have about 160 computers in the school, so it unfortunately adds up a lot |
| 22:03.52 | ^Migs^ | might be easier to just network-boot off whatever hard drive they come with |
| 22:05.06 | levi | You can also netboot off a floppy, though you then have to deal with floppies. |
| 22:06.01 | elg | just give them all jump drives and a piece of cardboard. tell them the cardboard is a monitor, but they have to draw the pixels by hand |
| 22:07.27 | tensai | seems like most nics these days do support pxe |
| 22:08.47 | levi | tensai: Relying on that being the case with donated computers is iffy, though. |
| 22:09.13 | tensai | relying on donated computers sounds iffy at best anyway |
| 22:09.39 | tensai | maybe for 5-10 computers, but 200 sounds like a maintenance nightmare |
| 22:10.43 | ^Migs^ | I had some problems getting floppies and CDs to work, for some reason |
| 22:10.49 | ^Migs^ | will have to work on that some more |
| 22:10.55 | beandog | its not so bad |
| 22:10.58 | beandog | its a one time setup |
| 22:11.01 | beandog | for each computer |
| 22:11.01 | ^Migs^ | I like elg's idea |
| 22:11.05 | ^Migs^ | very economical |
| 22:11.07 | beandog | its going to be a royal pita getting the xmodes working anyway |
| 22:11.13 | beandog | if you have crappy old video cards |
| 22:11.20 | beandog | unless you write some shell scripts to fix em all |
| 22:11.30 | ^Migs^ | also, the users will be able to access a Windows Terminal Server off the LTSP Server if they want |
| 22:11.36 | beandog | LTSP ftw |
| 22:11.57 | ^Migs^ | I didn't want to have Windows at all, but it took enough to convince the principal that we didn't need MS Office |
| 22:12.04 | ^Migs^ | removing Windows entirely is too scary |
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| 22:13.38 | tensai | yay. an upgrade of cups fixed my gutsy printing problems. |
| 22:13.54 | tensai | the cups backend no longer segfaults |
| 22:28.05 | elg | tensai: what were the problems you were having? just cups backend segfaulting? |
| 22:28.46 | tensai | elg: yup, that's it. the backend would segfault so the job would stay forever in the queue. |
| 22:29.13 | elg | sounds like what's going on with my samsung printer |
| 22:29.20 | elg | maybe the upgrade will fix it |
| 22:29.26 | elg | maybe it's samsung's driver anyway |
| 22:31.01 | tensai | no mention of a segfault in the changelog. my current version is 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.1, btw. |
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| 22:32.43 | goozbach | http://www.flickr.com/photos/patr1ck/1356570690/in/pool-65611869@N00/ |
| 22:32.48 | goozbach | broken? |
| 22:34.48 | klys | it's a fun PR stunt anyway |
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| 23:29.51 | redbeard2 | let's say i lost my wireless access point. i know the mac address, but i don't know the ip address. is there a good way to find out the ip address using the mac address? |
| 23:30.21 | neybar | you can try to ping the broadcast ip and then look at your arp table |
| 23:31.24 | redbeard2 | like, say, "ping -b 192.168.0.0"? |
| 23:31.33 | macnewbold | redbeard2: if it hands out DHCP addresses, you can get one and see what it uses for the gateway IP. That's usually itself. the last resort way is to do a factory reset |
| 23:33.08 | redbeard2 | macnewbold: i'm not sure i have dhcp turned on on it, but i'll check |
| 23:33.15 | neybar | most likely your broadcast ip is 192.168.0.255 |
| 23:33.39 | goozbach | or you can plug into the switch ports on the back side and get a dhcp address, if the wireless network isn't doing dhcp |
| 23:34.21 | goozbach | perhaps you can even get lucky and watch some network traffic using wireshark and get the address from the arp noise |
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| 23:34.48 | goozbach | or you could refain from breaking into other people's networks :) |
| 23:36.19 | neybar | where's the fun in that? |
| 23:36.21 | redbeard2 | goozbach: turns out it really is my own router. i just haven't touched it for a few months |
| 23:36.46 | redbeard2 | i also don't know if it's in the 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x subnets. |
| 23:37.11 | maquis | redbeard2: run kismet |
| 23:37.19 | maquis | then, while scanning, unplug your router |
| 23:37.21 | maquis | (power) |
| 23:37.33 | maquis | watch the kismet output to figure out whih network went away |
| 23:37.36 | maquis | plug router back in |
| 23:37.53 | maquis | cnnect to the network that is now back |
| 23:39.05 | maquis | based on the IP you get, you should be able to determine if it's 192.168 or 10.0 |
| 23:39.07 | nick125 | Anyone here know of a place to order electronic supplies online (like power supplies, PCBs, ICs, variable DC power supplies, etc)? |
| 23:39.49 | redbeard2 | maquis: compiling kismet now |
| 23:40.00 | nick125 | mmm...kismet |
| 23:40.12 | maquis | nick125: newegg has a lot of stuff... amazon has some too, although i don't knwo much about our stuff on amazon |
| 23:40.18 | maquis | ooh... we decorated |
| 23:40.47 | nick125 | I want to get a variable DC power supply.. |
| 23:45.45 | tensai | redbeard2: you could ping -b 255.255.255.255. pinging broadcast only returns mixed results. not all devices respond. |
| 23:47.24 | maquis | nick125: http://www.amazon.com/Tekpower-Variable-Supply-1-5-15-HY152A/dp/B000RO8J98/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7468982-3426246?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1194911226&sr=8-1 |
| 23:47.48 | maquis | like that? |
| 23:48.02 | maquis | i just searched for variable dc power supply, and came up with a number of results |
| 23:48.11 | maquis | (not all of which are good, but still) |
| 23:48.27 | redbeard2 | tensai: dude, you rock. that did it. |
| 23:48.42 | redbeard2 | apparently i'm at 10.0.0.100 right now. that's gonna need to change. |
| 23:49.31 | tensai | redbeard2: cool |
| 23:49.40 | redbeard2 | uh oh. now i need to remember my login. |
| 23:50.46 | tensai | redbeard2: your password is "secret" |
| 23:51.03 | maquis | tensai: he changed it? |
| 23:51.13 | maquis | i thought he had it set to "password" a few weeks ago |
| 23:51.30 | maquis | or was that his bank account? |
| 23:52.31 | redbeard2 | you guys suck |
| 23:54.50 | maquis | yup... it's his bank account |
| 23:55.36 | unum | that was mean of all of you to share his passwords over an unencrypted connection |
| 23:55.48 | unum | now he's going to have to change them all before cheney drains his accounts |
| 23:56.05 | maquis | unum: you might notice that i kept his username to his bank account to myself :P |
| 23:56.41 | maquis | unum: anyways... at least we did it while he's here... |
