| 00:00.07 | shadowwire | pong? |
| 00:00.11 | klys | hey yo |
| 00:00.33 | shadowwire | yo yo! |
| 00:00.43 | klys | have you seen anything cool today |
| 00:01.02 | shadowwire | Did I tell you that Im building an addition on my house? |
| 00:01.02 | klys | or last week because, maybe I wasn't looking |
| 00:01.06 | klys | yeah |
| 00:01.39 | shadowwire | You need to come down and see it. |
| 00:01.55 | klys | is anyone hosting festivities |
| 00:01.58 | shadowwire | Its getting close to done.... kind of. |
| 00:02.24 | shadowwire | I wont be here for thanksgiving. Ill be in Logan. |
| 00:02.30 | klys | IC |
| 00:02.49 | klys | anyone I know of live in logan? |
| 00:03.00 | shadowwire | However I think tg dinner will be at either Lori's again or Mikes new place. |
| 00:03.09 | klys | in parowan |
| 00:03.13 | klys | no... |
| 00:03.23 | shadowwire | My wifes family lives in Logan (some) |
| 00:03.28 | klys | ya |
| 00:03.56 | klys | where is Mike |
| 00:04.05 | shadowwire | Not parowan.. Dang I cant remember the name of the town.... Out west of Cedar about 45 min. |
| 00:04.11 | shadowwire | Mikes is in Cedar. |
| 00:04.21 | klys | okay and Lori is there too |
| 00:04.26 | shadowwire | Nice place in the cove. |
| 00:04.48 | shadowwire | Lori lives out west of cedar in a town called...... |
| 00:04.48 | klys | I had a wierd dream this morning |
| 00:04.58 | shadowwire | Dang I got nothing... |
| 00:05.07 | shadowwire | What was the dream? |
| 00:05.34 | klys | well I was thinging about provo apartment policies and it might have god to me |
| 00:05.40 | klys | s/god/got/ |
| 00:05.58 | klys | because I was going to institute in my dream |
| 00:06.27 | shadowwire | ok. |
| 00:06.27 | klys | and this girl was there that I had met previously she was asking me some personal questions |
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| 00:06.33 | klys | she said it was for verification |
| 00:06.33 | RyanE | shadowwire: you doing the work yourself? |
| 00:06.48 | shadowwire | RyanE: Yes |
| 00:07.00 | RyanE | cool. Electrical? I loves doing the electrical. |
| 00:07.11 | klys | and so she asked me how I was doing and immediately I recognized this was not a friendly inquiry |
| 00:07.13 | shadowwire | Me too. |
| 00:07.35 | shadowwire | klys: Hmmm. Not friendly? How so? |
| 00:08.43 | shadowwire | RyanE:I like the low voltage stuff too. Networking, Doorbell, Light controllers, etc... |
| 00:08.50 | RyanE | groovy. Me too. |
| 00:09.01 | RyanE | I ran 11K feet of CAT5 on my house. |
| 00:09.13 | klys | well I got to asking her some questions, like are you the girl who was keeping track of me, and she says, I'm from the school of family life |
| 00:09.56 | shadowwire | RyanE: 11K, Like 11,000 ft? |
| 00:10.17 | shadowwire | klys: how odd. |
| 00:10.25 | klys | oh then I asked her a few more questions because she was in a group and leaving perhaps trying to ditch me. what her major was and then the dream ended with the word "snub" as a reply |
| 00:11.03 | shadowwire | Weird dream. |
| 00:11.04 | klys | so I looked up the dept of FHSS on the byu website this morning |
| 00:11.14 | shadowwire | and? |
| 00:11.29 | klys | and you know it has psychology, social work, all those |
| 00:11.53 | klys | anyway I was looking through the list and wondering, which one concerns itself with the action, to snub |
| 00:12.05 | klys | and I was thinking, social work possibly |
| 00:12.26 | klys | so I found out that the dean had a memo out on social work |
| 00:12.45 | shadowwire | RyanE: 11,000 ft is a lot of wire. My addition should only take 2-3 thousand. |
| 00:12.47 | klys | and then I went to pick up the paper this morning and the memo was on the front page |
| 00:12.48 | RyanE | shadowwire: yeah, like 11 1000ft boxes of wire. |
| 00:12.54 | RyanE | and I used nearly all of it |
| 00:13.01 | RyanE | but that's just me. |
| 00:13.16 | shadowwire | holy crap! |
| 00:13.32 | shadowwire | (both conversations) |
| 00:16.37 | shadowwire | where did everybody go? |
| 00:16.39 | RyanE | shadowwire: well, I wired CAT5 to j-boxes, because the dimmers I put in at the time were controlled over a RS-485 network. |
| 00:16.44 | klys | ...still here |
| 00:16.55 | shadowwire | thats cool |
| 00:17.27 | RyanE | yeah, they've all been ripped out and replaced now... :) |
| 00:18.16 | shadowwire | With what? |
| 00:18.19 | shadowwire | wireless? |
| 00:18.35 | RyanE | I work for Control4 now. |
| 00:18.43 | RyanE | It's controlled via ZigBee. |
| 00:18.55 | shadowwire | My cousin just but wireless controls on his new nouse. |
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| 00:19.07 | shadowwire | Dang H key. |
| 00:19.28 | shadowwire | ZigBee? Ill hve to look into that. |
| 00:19.33 | klys | and you had a wireless thing going before too |
| 00:19.54 | RyanE | There aren't a lot of Zigbee devices out, other than Control4, but other manufacturers are starting to do it. |
| 00:20.02 | tuxd00d | I'm not fealing well today...and I need to diagnose IAX2... it seams that my ISP is blocking my incoming IAX2 traffic |
| 00:20.14 | tuxd00d | any ideas on how to diagnose the problem |
| 00:20.45 | klys | there is a problem with incoming port tunneling in general |
| 00:21.03 | klys | nameley, ssh tunneling may be the only solution |
| 00:21.22 | klys | and one has to have a public ip to do ssh tunneling |
| 00:21.34 | klys | and it isn't offered as a service anywhere I know of |
| 00:22.00 | klys | I've been routed out of the network again |
| 00:22.25 | klys | and so I'm back to the codebase I had before, which drops a port and does listen() |
| 00:23.46 | klys | the major ISP (not xmission) on the backbone has said all the hardware available to them for smart routing cannot handle assigning public IPs via dhcp or similar |
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| 00:24.09 | brac | I made some of them. |
| 00:24.16 | klys | so they've been pedalling private networks all over town |
| 00:24.26 | klys | locking students out of their apartments |
| 00:25.10 | klys | most all of the apartment complexes have gone in for it, with this one as a major recent addition |
| 00:25.12 | shadowwire | klys Mary Jane says HI |
| 00:25.17 | klys | HI!! |
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| 00:25.53 | shadowwire | She's here to get the car seat. |
| 00:25.56 | klys | ask her what's on her mind I'd like to hear it |
| 00:30.15 | shadowwire | Hi It's MJ here Not very good at this. how are you? |
| 00:30.22 | klys | well enbough |
| 00:30.31 | klys | well enough anyway |
| 00:30.44 | klys | is anything happingin in garfield county |
| 00:31.14 | shadowwire | I'm Well going to school in Cedar not home much. |
| 00:32.03 | klys | you can leave me a message at 801-379-5000-,374-7925 |
| 00:32.07 | klys | anytime |
| 00:32.26 | klys | I should be able to call you back within a reasonable time |
| 00:32.47 | klys | and I'm curious about Em and everyone a little |
| 00:32.50 | shadowwire | Thanks Wish I could see you |
| 00:33.22 | shadowwire | Em moved in with Pearl Ann |
| 00:33.26 | klys | well I hear there is a thing going on I need to figure out a way down there |
| 00:33.56 | klys | I just have to be sure the way back from parowan is definately to Provo again for me |
| 00:34.07 | klys | or whereever we would like to go |
| 00:34.12 | shadowwire | We are going there for Thanksgiving when we figure it out we'll let you know too |
| 00:34.46 | klys | has anything come up in recent thought or reading |
| 00:36.05 | klys | I have a lot on my mind recently and am very busy, so I can't afford to be away much |
| 00:36.13 | shadowwire | Just signed up for a comm class today that I hope will teach me web page design |
| 00:36.54 | klys | what language, is it PHP or are you doing something more technical |
| 00:37.09 | klys | just as an aside |
| 00:37.18 | klys | you probably don't have the syllabus yet though |
| 00:37.20 | shadowwire | guess i'll find out in January |
| 00:37.56 | klys | with web page hosting it's kind of expensive because not only do you need internet access, you also need a public host and it needs to be left on |
| 00:38.21 | klys | check out www.zendurl.com and www.leadhoster.com |
| 00:38.28 | shadowwire | I think they do it on the college system |
| 00:38.45 | klys | do you intend it for any personal pursuit |
| 00:38.55 | shadowwire | Thanks! |
| 00:39.07 | klys | oh ok |
| 00:39.20 | shadowwire | Just hope it'll help me get a good job |
| 00:39.47 | klys | have you looked into internet access at all |
| 00:40.01 | klys | I understand it's still 20 / mo. there |
| 00:40.03 | shadowwire | not a lot but I need to |
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| 00:40.37 | brac | is that close enough? |
| 00:40.55 | klys | that: seldom a meaningful or helpful word |
| 00:41.43 | klys | hey what are you up to on your next trip |
| 00:43.53 | klys | also if you have yahoo info. for Em or Pearl Ann let me know I'd like to chat |
| 00:44.00 | shadowwire | She Had to go, As do I. C-ya-l8er |
| 00:44.04 | klys | ciao |
| 00:44.14 | shadowwire | you gonna be on tomarrow? |
| 00:44.19 | klys | possibly |
| 00:44.24 | klys | I don't have to work as long |
| 00:44.31 | klys | I have to leave by 10:30 |
| 00:44.41 | shadowwire | cool. ttyl8er |
| 00:44.45 | klys | ciao |
| 00:57.36 | Supaplex | didn't you just get a new thinkpad? |
| 00:59.41 | Tene | Nope. |
| 00:59.58 | Tene | I've been using my girlfriend's, and the AC adapter for it is going out. |
| 01:44.59 | findlay | -chat ~piglatin |
| 01:44.59 | brac | ~piglatin was |
| 01:47.42 | findlay | -chat ~piglatin elg |
| 01:47.43 | brac | ~piglatin elg |
| 01:52.25 | Tene | -chat elg |
| 01:52.25 | brac | elg had a rough night last night I fell short of a problem |
| 01:59.28 | jsmith-away | -chat the sky |
| 01:59.29 | brac | the sky is clear, can be value in the corner |
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| 02:19.29 | brac | i thought on a blind transfer is set by sjansen on Fri Jan 13 08:08:53 2006: <hans> ping |
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| 03:08.58 | levi | Good evening. |
| 03:13.54 | Supaplex | hello |
| 03:14.13 | linuxalien | evenin |
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| 03:47.17 | elg | -lart firefox for not supporting display:inline-block |
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| 04:24.07 | elg | anyone with IE? |
| 04:29.26 | levi | I've got IE handy. |
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| 04:48.45 | levi | What's everyone up to tonight? |
| 04:49.48 | Tene | Chemical Brothers |
| 04:49.53 | Tene | and Parrot hacking. |
| 04:50.08 | levi | Whatcha doing with Parrot? |
| 04:54.12 | Tene | I just put together a proposal for a yaml format for representing an AST. |
| 04:54.41 | Tene | This will make it easier for higher-level compilers (such as kp6) to target parrot. |
| 04:55.48 | Tene | I also recovered my beginnings of a lojban grammar for parrot from my dead laptop. |
| 04:56.42 | Tene | Also, the power cable for my girlfriend's laptop that I've been using is going dead. Ordered another one from lenovo. |
| 04:57.17 | levi | I'm using a T41p I got from work now. It's pretty nice. |
| 04:58.16 | Tene | I'm going to order a 61p eventually, just haven't done it yet. |
| 05:00.07 | levi | It certainly feels sturdy. |
| 05:00.43 | Tene | Starting yesterday, the power cable only works when adjusted properly. It's fraying inside right at the connects-to-laptop end. |
| 05:00.48 | herlo | Tene: the t61p is not offered anymore |
| 05:01.21 | Tene | herlo: lenovo.com disagrees with you. |
| 05:02.33 | herlo | Tene: its back? |
| 05:03.10 | herlo | atoponce would also like to exchange his T61 with one that ends in p |
| 05:03.32 | Tene | Yeah, it's up there. |
| 05:03.36 | levi | What's the 'p' mean? |
| 05:03.37 | herlo | Tene: interesting |
| 05:03.53 | herlo | levi: dunno, just that it has better features |
| 05:04.26 | Tene | the difference is that it has an nvidia card that can drive higher resolutions. |
| 05:04.45 | Tene | and it has a higher resolution screen. |
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| 06:15.09 | klys | ~pjsip |
| 06:16.40 | klys | asterisk users? |
| 06:16.57 | Supaplex | they rawk |
| 06:17.17 | klys | and it's compatible or so I just read |
| 06:17.41 | Supaplex | more fud? |
| 06:17.52 | klys | internal routing |
| 06:18.17 | klys | I'll go compile it now |
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| 07:53.36 | Supaplex | ~depth charge yesterday |
| 07:53.36 | ibot | ACTION pushes a drum with 600 pounds of high explosives onto yesterday and watches it explode, smearing yesterday into a primeval soup |
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| 13:21.02 | brac | 16th I guess... |
| 13:22.21 | sinuhe | ~ping herlo |
| 13:22.21 | ibot | pong herlo |
| 13:22.53 | sinuhe | ~ping Tene |
| 13:22.54 | ibot | pong Tene |
| 13:23.04 | sinuhe | ~ping sontek |
| 13:23.05 | ibot | pong sontek |
| 13:23.13 | sinuhe | ~Jayce |
| 13:23.21 | sinuhe | ~ping Jayce |
| 13:23.22 | ibot | pong Jayce |
| 13:23.26 | sinuhe | ~goozbach |
| 13:23.27 | ibot | well, goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 13:23.31 | sinuhe | Gee, that was fun. |
| 13:23.41 | sinuhe | ~ping goozbach |
| 13:23.42 | ibot | pong goozbach |
| 13:23.55 | sinuhe | ~noodle goozbach |
| 14:13.56 | herlo | sinuhe: pong |
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| 14:55.02 | sontek | sinuhe: hi! |
| 14:55.26 | sontek | ~tackle sinuhe |
| 14:55.26 | ibot | ACTION tackles sinuhe to the ground. |
| 14:56.47 | Tene | ~ping sinuhe |
| 14:56.47 | ibot | pong sinuhe |
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| 15:34.39 | goozbach | sinuhe: pong |
| 15:35.37 | herlo | sinuhe: hello? |
| 15:40.35 | sinuhe | herlo: hallo |
| 15:40.47 | sinuhe | Sorry: was in the middle of a lecture. |
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| 15:46.16 | herlo | sinuhe: no worries |
| 15:46.19 | herlo | what's up? |
| 15:46.34 | sinuhe | herlo: the ceiling, currently. |
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| 15:47.06 | elg | hooray |
| 15:47.16 | elg | </sarcasm> |
| 15:47.26 | elg | the bishopric changed this week, but I'm still exec. sec. |
| 15:47.28 | herlo | sinuhe: that's all? |
| 15:47.41 | elg | the new bishop wants us to meet every sunday from 7:30-10:30 |
| 15:47.45 | elg | (various meetings) |
| 15:47.49 | sinuhe | herlo: I've not had enough coffee to contemplate other possibilities. |
| 15:48.29 | herlo | sinuhe: you pinged me at 6:22 |
| 15:49.18 | sinuhe | I did? |
| 15:49.27 | herlo | 06:22 < sinuhe> ~ping herlo |
| 15:49.29 | sinuhe | Oh, yes, MST would have been 6.22 |
| 15:49.34 | herlo | sinuhe: correct |
| 15:49.44 | goozbach | sinuhe: how's being a guru treating you? |
| 15:50.26 | sinuhe | goozbach: I like being a guru. Tonya's not had an easy time with my being away, though. I've been a stay at home husband until now, and she's still having difficulty with me being away a lot. |
| 15:51.10 | sinuhe | goozbach: Guru Labs treats me well enough, I seem to have their respect, and there isn't back handed politics to deal with, so I really have no complaints. |
| 15:53.01 | herlo | :) |
| 15:53.14 | sinuhe | Thanks herlo. Good to know you're there for me. |
| 15:53.26 | sinuhe | ~politics herlo |
| 15:53.31 | sinuhe | Hmmm...I'll have to fix that. |
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| 15:55.02 | sinuhe | ~politics herlo |
| 15:55.07 | sinuhe | Hmmm. |
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| 15:59.26 | shadowwire | ~get herlo |
| 15:59.27 | ibot | ACTION fetches herlo |
| 16:00.13 | herlo | shadowwire: yes? |
| 16:14.46 | moriancumer | ding, dong Rocky's gone! |
| 16:18.41 | findlay | and what did the voting machines think of argument 1 or whatever it's called? |
| 16:18.58 | findlay | s/voting/vote stealing/ |
| 16:20.01 | maquis | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/science/tesla-coils-playing-the-mario-bros-theme-are-unsurprisingly-awesome-319384.php?autoplay=true |
| 16:20.14 | findlay | heh |
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| 16:27.43 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 16:28.08 | Jayce^ | ~pong herlo |
| 16:28.09 | ibot | herlo: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:29.14 | herlo | Jayce^: email coming your way |
| 16:39.47 | Jayce^ | already got two responses to it :) |
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| 16:43.16 | herlo | :) |
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| 17:03.56 | Heartsbane | ~make herlo |
| 17:03.58 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `herlo'. Stop. |
| 17:04.23 | Heartsbane | Whew! |
| 17:04.30 | levi | Heh, it makes me chuckle how worked up people got over Referendum 1. |
| 17:06.02 | neybar | are you saying people shouldn't get worked up over education? |
| 17:06.41 | levi | Not at all. I'm just saying that people blew Ref. 1 way out of proportion. |
| 17:06.54 | levi | It's not like it was poised to actually change anything. |
| 17:07.31 | levi | It just had so much money pumped into it, everyone got worked into a frenzy. |
| 17:07.39 | neybar | I think that UEA/NEA blew it out of proportion. The "for" crowd had to respond some how. I'm not sure that either side was very accurate though. |
| 17:08.26 | Supaplex | ~wake #utah |
| 17:08.27 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on #utah and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 17:08.43 | neybar | public school is NEA's lifeblood, they absolutely can't let something like ref one pass with out a fight |
| 17:09.04 | levi | Well, yeah. The union money potrayed it as a great evil that would destroy public education. So the 'for' side said it was a great boon that would both save public education and magically provide better schools for everyone. |
| 17:09.32 | levi | In reality, a few more people would switch to public schools, and life would go on as usual. |
| 17:10.05 | levi | Er, switch to private schools, I mean. |
| 17:10.06 | neybar | not only is it a "great evil" but it is a huge slap in the face. |
| 17:10.25 | Jayce^ | neybar, it showed that even the government recognized the union had problems, they couldn't let that fly.. |
| 17:10.39 | neybar | exactly |
| 17:11.03 | levi | Well, yeah, it's clearly a vote against confidence in the unions. It wouldn't have had any great effect, though. |
| 17:11.17 | neybar | it wasn't just public school that was on the chop block, it was the whole system. Granted, I personally think that that view is hugely blown out of proportion |
| 17:11.34 | levi | No, nothing was on the chopping block. It was just an insult. |
| 17:13.01 | neybar | I know, but that seemed to be the perception. I lost count of the number of phone calls / fliers personal visits to my home, but everyone of them was trying to tell me that a vote for ref one was a vote against our poor struggling public schools |
| 17:13.01 | neybar | bah! |
| 17:13.01 | neybar | that is complete bullcrap |
| 17:13.03 | Jayce^ | I think the lasting effect though is that the unions just pissed off the government even more... |
| 17:13.11 | Jayce^ | because the law had passed |
| 17:13.52 | levi | Yeah, the anti folks were just spewing all kinds of lies. It was highly annoying. |
| 17:13.52 | neybar | I've worked for a local school district, they had more money than they knew what to do with. Their problem is mismanagement. There was now accountability for the money that they were given and most of the time they pissed it away at the end of the school year |
| 17:14.02 | Jayce^ | most of the arguments against were verbaitam copies of those used against the charter school legislation.. |
| 17:14.35 | findlay | I found the whole debate amusing |
| 17:14.57 | findlay | each 'side' was prone to stupid sorts of propaganda |
| 17:15.08 | findlay | as if there were only two sides |
| 17:15.36 | levi | I quickly found myself in the "I don't really care, because it's just not that big of a deal as proposed" camp. |
| 17:15.46 | findlay | levi: yeah |
| 17:17.41 | herlo | Heartsbane: good try |
| 17:17.47 | findlay | but I'm also not willing to believe that market forces will magically account for all deficiences in education |
| 17:18.13 | findlay | it is those same market forces that landed microsoft and their crap in the top spot |
| 17:19.00 | levi | findlay: And even with ref 1 passing, there wouldn't be anything remotely resembling a free market. |
| 17:19.13 | Heartsbane | herlo: well if there was a package herlo, what would it do? |
| 17:19.24 | herlo | Heartsbane: a lot! |
| 17:19.37 | neybar | I just found it insulting that some how a vote for ref one was some how against public schools |
| 17:19.42 | Heartsbane | pfffffttt |
| 17:19.46 | Heartsbane | hehehe |
| 17:19.48 | findlay | levi: right |
| 17:20.43 | findlay | but what is all legislation but a sorrowful convolution of inharmonious proposals? |
| 17:21.44 | findlay | neybar: and a vote against was a vote against parents? |
| 17:21.59 | findlay | silly propaganda is very amusing |
| 17:23.03 | levi | And the libertarian hogwash about public schools being an evil idea just makes me shake my head. |
| 17:23.44 | levi | And quoting Brigham Young... that's just hilarious. |
| 17:23.52 | findlay | :-) |
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| 17:25.11 | brac | i wanna be a neat ceremony |
| 17:25.26 | findlay | -chat ~piglatin elg |
| 17:25.26 | brac | ~piglatin elg |
| 17:25.37 | levi | I certainly don |
| 17:25.39 | levi | Er |
| 17:26.36 | levi | don't think the current incarnation of public schools is the best thing ever, but it served me alright, and it's not like there aren't alternatives now if it doesn't. |
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| 17:28.48 | rsimpkins | We are paying the wrong people. We should pay the kids and the parents who achieve. So if a kid gets great grades, let's buy them a car. How about it? |
| 17:29.06 | rsimpkins | I wonder how many kids with great grades we'd get if we gave each kid in HS with a 4.0 a car. |
| 17:29.26 | levi | I don't know, but cheating would be rampant. |
| 17:29.37 | rsimpkins | I have the solution for cheaters. |
| 17:29.59 | rsimpkins | You'll have to force them to join the military. |
| 17:30.17 | rsimpkins | Or assign them a career in politics. |
| 17:30.27 | levi | Um. |
| 17:30.28 | Supaplex | and that'll help us? |
| 17:30.32 | rsimpkins | ;-0 |
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| 17:30.50 | rsimpkins | My point is that's what we have now. |
| 17:30.53 | Supaplex | rsimpkins: oh I get it. job match for cheaters. |
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| 17:30.59 | Supaplex | yup. |
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| 17:31.41 | rsimpkins | I think the Finnish culture encourages payment of money for school achievment. |
| 17:31.50 | rsimpkins | I think the money comes from private donors thought - but I'm not sure. |
| 17:33.46 | rsimpkins | I think a grade school kid could make the equiv of a few hundred dollars US in Finland for getting good grades. |
| 17:33.51 | elg | put on your excel hats (well, openoffice spreadsheet) |
| 17:34.05 | rsimpkins | Wow, that made no sense. Public school! I blame the schools! |
| 17:34.13 | elg | I have 10 fields that have either a date, or a 0 |
| 17:34.50 | elg | and another set of 10 fields with the due dates |
| 17:35.12 | elg | I want another field to have 40 points if one of those dates is existent but after the due date |
| 17:35.17 | elg | 0 otherwise |
| 17:36.07 | sjansen | http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/10/fun_with_unicode_1.html |
| 17:36.08 | Supaplex | if(b2>today(),40,0) |
| 17:36.09 | brac | [Fun with Unicode - O'Reilly Ruby] |
| 17:36.15 | Supaplex | or something like that. |
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| 17:38.01 | jsmith | iMoo? |
| 17:38.31 | herlo | jsmith: ping |
| 17:38.37 | jsmith | herlo: Pong |
| 17:39.06 | herlo | jsmith: someone mentioned to me last night (Jayce^ IIRC) that its possible to set up an asterisk service provider to do conference calls via soft phones? |
| 17:39.44 | jsmith | herlo: Sure! |
| 17:39.49 | elg | Supaplex: cool, thanks |
| 17:39.51 | herlo | jsmith: do you know of any good ones, or would it be more prudent to do something else? |
| 17:39.52 | elg | I got it. |
| 17:40.03 | elg | it's ugly, but... |
| 17:40.03 | elg | =IF(OR(AB9>$AB8;AC9>$AC8;AD9>$AD8;AE9>$AE8;AF9>$AF8;AG9>$AG8;AH9>$AH8;AI9>$AI8;AJ9>$AJ8;AK9>$AK8;AL9>$AL8);40;0) |
| 17:40.11 | jsmith | herlo: Twinkle, X-Lite, ekiga, OpenWengo, Zoiper... take your pick |
| 17:40.14 | herlo | jsmith: eventually (when we have an office) I'd like to get our phones on asterisk... |
| 17:41.40 | herlo | jsmith: how do most of them work? |
| 17:41.55 | herlo | jsmith: no, not quite what I meant |
| 17:42.21 | herlo | jsmith: I know how softphones work, but I'm more interested in the service providers end |
| 17:42.31 | Supaplex | I almost brought up a twinkie, but I'm fresh out. :`( |
| 17:42.47 | elg | or not |
| 17:43.01 | elg | I thought $ meant don't change this cell when you cut and paste over a range |
| 17:43.20 | jsmith | elg: That's correct |
| 17:43.39 | Jayce^ | jsmith, was telling him about some of the providers that do a VPS with simple asterisk, for conferencing, etc.. |
| 17:43.48 | jsmith | elg: But you may need to put a $ in both the column and row |
| 17:43.58 | jsmith | elg: =$a$5 |
| 17:44.01 | herlo | jsmith: what jsmith said |
| 17:44.14 | herlo | s/jsmith said/Jayce^ said/g |
| 17:44.19 | jsmith | herlo: Yeah... it's easy to do... I could set something up in literally minutes, if you wanted to try it out |
| 17:44.27 | herlo | jsmith: yess! |
| 17:44.46 | elg | ah, =ab$8 |
| 17:44.47 | elg | got it |
| 17:45.01 | jsmith | herlo: OK, we'll take this to a private message then, as to not bore the rest of the community |
| 17:45.08 | herlo | jsmith: thanks |
| 17:53.46 | Jayce^ | ~bore sontek |
| 17:53.47 | ibot | "sontek, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..." |
| 17:54.35 | sontek | speaking of a sausage factory.. Morgan Webb is still winning that utosf poll |
| 17:54.36 | Supaplex | yummy |
| 17:54.51 | elg | hey, can i make a cell turn a different color conditionally with a formula in ooo spreadsheet |
| 17:54.53 | elg | ? |
| 17:55.40 | jsmith | elg: Probably... |
| 17:55.46 | bonez31 | got another network connection question...how do I see what shares are available on aonther machine? I am on linux/debian box, wanting to mount a win xp shared drive....I just cleared and then reset the share, verified the IP address of the xp box....but am failing to mount it ... |
| 17:55.49 | jsmith | elg: You can in Google Spreadsheets now |
| 17:56.10 | herlo | sontek: hehe |
| 17:56.33 | pelaofeliz | elg: yes -- it's conditional formatting |
| 17:56.39 | sontek | bonez31: well, you can use samba/smbclient to list the shares, but if you know the share name you can just mount it with mount -t cifs //server/share /mountpoint |
| 17:56.41 | elg | pelaofeliz: cool. how do I do it? |
| 17:56.44 | pelaofeliz | Format->conditional formatting |
| 17:56.50 | sontek | bonez31: but you should look into autofs and automounting shares on your network |
| 17:57.29 | sontek | bonez31: I blogged about it here but I didn't go into much detail: http://blog.sontek.net/2007/10/30/autofs-automount-network-shares/ |
| 17:58.08 | Supaplex | bonez31: smbclient -L <host> |
| 17:59.04 | bonez31 | sontek: I was attempt to 'mount -t smbfs //share/name /mount/point... so is cifs the newer way to mount such a share? |
| 18:00.17 | elg | sweet |
| 18:01.04 | bonez31 | sontek: hmmm smbclient -L <share name> or <machine IP> both return timeout errors...on ports :445 and :139... |
| 18:01.25 | Supaplex | elg: and if you create a style, I think you can do 'do not print' and some color you won't notice on the screen (or hide?) |
| 18:02.06 | sontek | bonez31: cifs has been around for awhile, its the preferred way, but I don't know the whole history on it |
| 18:02.19 | sontek | bonez31: are you trying by hostname or ip? |
| 18:02.36 | bonez31 | sontek: ok...I changed .. am trying both hostname and then if not, ..ip of that machine... |
| 18:03.21 | bonez31 | sontek: here's exactly what I tried... 'mount -t cifs //192.168.15.102/sethc /sethc |
| 18:03.50 | bonez31 | sontek: that responds now with 'Password:" where it just waits...no error out yet...for over a minute, no prompt yet |
| 18:04.04 | sontek | just hit enter after password: |
| 18:04.18 | sontek | you can pass credentials to mount so it doesn't prompt you for a password |
| 18:05.54 | herlo | sontek: the credentials=/etc/creds.txt is the best option for samba |
| 18:06.02 | herlo | or something like that |
| 18:07.10 | sontek | herlo: I prefer just passing it on the command line, but any shares that are coming from samba/cifs at my house have guest enabled |
| 18:07.15 | Supaplex | and chmod og= creds.txt :) |
| 18:07.27 | sontek | but if you want to be secure putting the credentials in a file is usually good ;P |
| 18:09.17 | Supaplex | and hopefully it's a secure but less valueable password :) eg one only for this. |
| 18:09.32 | sontek | but I prefer using autofs with /etc/auto.cifs.SERVERNAME |
| 18:09.40 | herlo | sontek: if you use fstab, credentials is recommended |
| 18:09.46 | sjansen | http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1022757_cool_cash_card_confusion |
| 18:09.56 | sontek | herlo: god invented autofs so people would stop using fstab |
| 18:10.05 | sontek | herlo: do you want to ignore god?! |
| 18:10.16 | herlo | sontek: /etc/auto.master is still readable by everyone |
| 18:10.35 | herlo | sontek: and usually so are the mappying autofs files |
| 18:10.35 | sontek | herlo: but /etc/auto.cifs.SERVERNAME doesn't have to be |
| 18:10.59 | herlo | sontek: agreed, but usually people forget to change it |
| 18:11.02 | bonez31 | sontek: ok, I try just hitting ENTER at the password prompt, again, it responds by doing NOTHING..NO RESPONSE..... |
| 18:11.03 | sontek | herlo: but you can also use credentials in the autofs file |
| 18:11.23 | sontek | herlo: you can still do -fstype:cifs,credentials=file |
| 18:11.27 | sontek | if you want |
| 18:11.29 | herlo | exactly |
| 18:11.44 | bonez31 | sontek: what I don't understand, is in winxp ...setting up a share...xp never prompts to apply a password to the share.....it just shares OR NOT |
| 18:12.04 | sontek | bonez31: yes, it'll use default user permissions |
| 18:12.11 | sontek | bonez31: have you disabled simple sharing? |
| 18:12.33 | sontek | bonez31: and make sure to enable guest, if you want anonymous users to access it |
| 18:15.01 | bonez31 | sontek: does xp use passwords to secure....in so far as winders can actually secure anything....shared drives or folders? |
| 18:17.59 | sontek | bonez31: ofcourse |
| 18:18.38 | bonez31 | sontek: but then where are those issued, since one is clearly not asked for them when sharing a drive? |
| 18:19.40 | bonez31 | fyrenice:/home/scott# smbclient -L seth timeout connecting to 192.168.15.102:445 timeout connecting to 192.168.15.102:139 Error connecting to 192.168.15.102 (Operation already in progress) Connection to seth failed <<<< this is the response to probing 'seth' the windows xp machine... |
| 18:20.23 | bonez31 | my /etc/hosts shows '192.168.15.102 seth' for the reference....to this machine.... |
| 18:21.04 | Supaplex | xp firewalled it? |
| 18:22.10 | bonez31 | Supaplex: do I need to specifically ALLOW the exception for XP's firewall settings? Currently the firewall allows anything on the LAN, to access it, but nothing from outside... |
| 18:22.26 | sontek | bonez31: open up the folder in windows, go to "Sharing" and then select "Permissions" |
| 18:22.36 | sontek | bonez31: also check the firewall like Supaplex suggested |
| 18:22.51 | sontek | bonez31: and even after you add "guest" as a user, you still need to enable the account |
| 18:25.44 | findlay-w | ~onjoin sargun |
| 18:25.44 | ibot | onjoin for sargun set by findlay on Mon Nov 5 08:45:33 2007: Sargun: My World Is Rocky! Adrienne!!! |
| 18:26.13 | findlay-w | ~onjoin sargun ping findlay please |
| 18:26.13 | ibot | ok, findlay-w |
| 18:28.20 | bonez31 | Supaplex: I believe that XP has not firewalled it...firewalled access from other LAN machines...but I am not 100% sure... |
| 18:28.41 | bonez31 | sontek: I open the c: drive, open Properties,..then Sharing...but see no Permissions menu |
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| 18:31.37 | findlay-w | ~onjoin -sargun |
| 18:31.37 | ibot | findlay-w: ok |
| 18:38.03 | sontek | bonez31: then simple file sharing is on |
| 18:38.25 | sontek | tools -> folder options -> view -> uncheck "Use simple file sharing" |
| 18:39.20 | bonez31 | sontek: ok, I unchecked it...and then tried to mount the share..... still no response.... |
| 18:40.08 | bonez31 | sontek: here, just hand me that gas can...that's the one, and a lighter...... will solve my networking issues once and for all.....and cook my lunch at the same time...... |
| 18:40.57 | bonez31 | it's worked great....so long, and now, it's just turned ... (is maquis here??) womanish.....uncontrollable...unpredictable......sorry to bug you here with this..sontek and Supaplex |
| 18:41.39 | Tene | buy it stuff! that always helps problems with women! |
| 18:42.03 | bonez31 | ah, yes....green poltice....helps immensly... |
| 18:44.10 | bonez31 | Tene: is 'smbclient -L seth' times out, per >>> timeout connecting to 192.168.15.102:445 what might that mean? |
| 18:44.32 | Supaplex | try nmap |
| 18:44.52 | Supaplex | sudo nmap -sS -vvp 445 192.168.15.102 |
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| 18:46.15 | brac | basically. And not all |
| 18:46.24 | Supaplex | -chat nmap |
| 18:46.24 | brac | nmap went |
| 18:47.08 | shadowwire | -chat my lunch |
| 18:47.09 | brac | my lunch rides are ~14 miles through the agony |
| 18:47.36 | shadowwire | -chat error connecting |
| 18:47.36 | brac | error connecting to a channel pastebin, do we? |
| 18:48.02 | shadowwire | ~lart -brac |
| 18:48.02 | ibot | stabs -brac |
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| 18:48.13 | brac | ~lart went |
| 18:48.13 | ibot | eats went and falls over dead |
| 18:48.35 | Supaplex | ~eat brac |
| 18:48.36 | ibot | That's too disgusting. |
| 18:48.41 | shadowwire | ibot must be realy fat. |
| 18:48.50 | shadowwire | Ibot eats a lot. |
| 18:49.04 | bonez31 | nmap -sS -vv p 445 192.168.15.102 << is this correct? |
| 18:49.17 | Supaplex | -p |
| 18:49.22 | bonez31 | Supaplex: when it's ok... |
| 18:49.25 | shadowwire | ~lie to bonez31 |
| 18:49.26 | ibot | ACTION tells bonez31 lies, and gets away with it |
| 18:50.52 | bonez31 | Supaplex: http://pastebin.ca/764984 |
| 18:50.58 | bonez31 | there's the output |
| 18:51.25 | Supaplex | yup. filtered means firewalled |
| 18:51.40 | bonez31 | ok..... |
| 18:52.04 | Supaplex | and or host does not exist :) (we assume it is, based on your input) |
| 18:52.11 | bonez31 | Supaplex: so, how do I clear that, in firewall settings? |
| 18:52.36 | bonez31 | I run ipconfig in cmd console on xp ..and it clearly shows 192.168.15.102 as its IP....with 255.255.255.0 submask... |
| 18:53.35 | Supaplex | i'm rusty on windows. I haven't booted it in ... atleast 8 months |
| 18:54.36 | bonez31 | ok.... |
| 18:55.30 | Supaplex | sorry :) ##windows can be helpful. I'll bbiam |
| 18:55.48 | bonez31 | Supaplex: already there in ##windows |
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| 19:03.45 | bonez31 | welcome Mac |
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| 19:12.57 | bonez31 | Host seth (192.168.15.102) appears to be up ... good. |
| 19:12.57 | bonez31 | All 1680 scanned ports on seth (192.168.15.102) are filtered |
| 19:13.22 | bonez31 | this from nmap.... all my ports on that xp box are filters/firewalled/making me mad cause inaccessible.....;) |
| 19:23.59 | bonez31 | sigh. |
| 19:25.15 | unum | ok I need some perl help |
| 19:25.43 | unum | I have a string that I want to output and have it formated by spacing |
| 19:25.46 | unum | ie: |
| 19:26.00 | unum | fixed width |
| 19:26.05 | unum | that's the word I wanted |
| 19:26.14 | unum | back to my example |
| 19:26.27 | unum | print "$number $name"; |
| 19:26.35 | unum | but the number is not always the same number of spaces |
| 19:26.47 | fozzmoo | use printf instead |
| 19:26.50 | unum | I meant the number is not always the same width |
| 19:27.00 | Keighvin | Right - printf or sprintf is your friend. |
| 19:27.35 | unum | aah thas right I new there was an easy way to do it but couldn't remember |
| 19:31.23 | sjansen | ~lart herlo |
| 19:31.23 | ibot | urinates on herlo |
| 19:32.11 | sjansen | ~fart Jayce^ |
| 19:32.12 | ibot | ACTION farts in Jayce^'s general direction |
| 19:33.48 | unum | print sprintf("%s %s %s %10s %2s\n",$cfmc_id,$first_name,$last_name,$language,$spec); |
| 19:33.57 | unum | that's my line but I want every thing to line up |
| 19:34.24 | fozzmoo | man 3 printf |
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| 19:37.36 | fozzmoo | Ther's also the format function.... |
| 19:37.40 | fozzmoo | perldoc -f format |
| 19:37.59 | fozzmoo | It's a little more... report writing-oriented. |
| 19:41.26 | red45 | NickServ help REGISTER |
| 19:41.47 | sjansen | ~laugh red45 |
| 19:41.48 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at red45...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 19:42.20 | sjansen | ~wave red45 |
| 19:42.20 | ibot | Bye, red45 |
| 19:42.34 | red45 | bye? |
| 19:42.40 | sjansen | ~welcome red45 |
| 19:42.41 | ibot | Hey, red45! Glad you could join us. |
| 19:42.41 | red45 | gimme a second! |
| 19:45.12 | red45 | I seem to be registered |
| 19:45.33 | red45 | ibot would have openly mocked me again had I made a mistake! |
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| 19:52.28 | goozbach | ~mock red45 |
| 19:52.29 | ibot | ACTION pulls red45's pants down and shows the world red45's pink spotted underwear |
| 19:52.42 | goozbach | even if you don't she mocks you |
| 19:52.58 | fungus | ~gender ibot |
| 19:52.58 | ibot | I heard ibot is sexless. |
| 19:53.28 | goozbach | ~gender ibot |
| 19:53.29 | ibot | I heard ibot is sexless. |
| 19:53.29 | red45 | well, as long as I know that mocking will continue |
| 19:53.44 | goozbach | we only mock the people we like |
| 19:53.50 | goozbach | (using ibot that is) |
| 19:53.55 | red45 | I apprecite that |
| 19:54.01 | goozbach | we openly mock others |
| 19:54.19 | goozbach | like sjansen for example |
| 19:54.32 | red45 | He seems like a good guy |
| 19:54.36 | red45 | most the time |
| 19:54.48 | sjansen | ~sjansen |
| 19:54.49 | ibot | sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is |
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| 19:59.26 | sjansen | http://www.awe.com/mark/blog/200711071924.html |
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| 20:10.09 | Supaplex | sjansen: that's pretty cool. I wonder what the numbers of <package> were installed, or even what might be considered typical in relation to 'default install'. I don't expect many people to have a telnet daemon running, even if it is kerbos authentication =) |
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| 20:36.13 | herlo | ~beat sjansen |
| 20:36.14 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats sjansen over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 20:37.10 | sontek | ~activex herlo |
| 20:37.44 | herlo | ~thump sontek |
| 20:37.45 | ibot | ACTION thumps sontek in the ear with a brick! |
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| 20:55.31 | elg | plug just ain't what it used to be |
| 20:55.39 | sjansen | how so? |
| 20:55.46 | Supaplex | the prongs are bent? |
| 20:55.56 | elg | we never get the interesting linux questions anymore |
| 20:56.17 | elg | it's all flamewar now (not that the amount of flamewar has changed) |
| 20:56.18 | jsmith | elg: That's the problem... everybody got too smart! |
| 20:56.28 | elg | or linux got too boring. ;-) |
| 20:56.33 | sjansen | plug needs new blood |
| 20:56.44 | Jayce^ | amen |
| 20:56.54 | sjansen | well... linux does seem less fun than it used to |
| 20:57.05 | dmdavis | so, we need a new OS? |
| 20:57.12 | dmdavis | maybe all move to plan9? |
| 20:57.12 | sjansen | all the simple stuff has become too simple with distro tools |
| 20:57.13 | Jayce^ | sjansen, because college kids now learn it because they need it for a job, not because they like playing with it |
| 20:57.24 | ^Migs^ | that's why you have to introduce it at the K-12 level |
| 20:57.48 | sjansen | gone are the days you could spend a week fighting your XF86Config and feel victorious after finding the magical modeline |
| 20:57.57 | elg | ^Migs^: that will ensure a steady supply of l33t hax0rs |
| 20:58.26 | sjansen | oh, hackers still exist even if they're harder to find in flood of posers |
| 20:58.39 | elg | sjansen: most of the really fun times were a result of incomplete hardware support, come to think of it |
| 20:58.40 | sjansen | but plug is less useful to them thanks to google |
| 20:58.45 | ^Migs^ | frankly, I think that's a good thing |
| 20:59.10 | ^Migs^ | even when I complain about students trying to hack into my systems, I'm glad that there's students out there with enough tech-savviness to try and mess around |
| 20:59.13 | sjansen | s/posers/paycheck monkeys/ |
| 20:59.24 | ^Migs^ | keeps us moving toward improvement |
| 20:59.35 | sinuhe | Now it's bloody impossible to break X. It's no fun anymore. |
| 20:59.38 | Supaplex | I still use xvidtune :) |
| 21:00.04 | ^Migs^ | I'd like nothing more than to see 5th and 6th graders knowing how to use the shell and set up a simple server |
| 21:00.26 | elg | ^Migs^: I think that's untrue. I think you'd like more to see 4th graders doing it |
| 21:00.26 | sinuhe | What happened to the day when fvwm2 launched with a 1024x768 screen, but with a 1600x1200 screensize, and three different screen resolutions? |
| 21:00.34 | elg | with dancing pigs in the background |
| 21:00.35 | sinuhe | Sigh. |
| 21:00.39 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 21:00.49 | Supaplex | elg: here's one, does samba automagically know about cups? I can't find my printcap file :) |
| 21:00.50 | sinuhe | I still have my .twmrc. I haven't played with it in years. |
| 21:00.53 | elg | there was a presentation at our lug yesterday and the guy was using fvwm still |
| 21:00.57 | elg | it made me nostalgic |
| 21:01.09 | sinuhe | I did finally delete my .fvwmrc for fvwm1. |
| 21:01.17 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking with this new charter school I'm working on we'll be able to give the older classrooms test servers to mess around with |
| 21:01.32 | elg | Supaplex: printcap is ancient history. why do you need it? :) |
| 21:02.01 | elg | samba and cups speak the same printcap-free dialect (unlss you're using ancient samba). that's from memory of course and may be completely wrong |
| 21:02.03 | ^Migs^ | s/classrooms/students/ |
| 21:02.23 | Supaplex | without using winblows, how do I know the printers are there for them? |
| 21:02.42 | elg | for that you need a few dead chickens... |
| 21:02.50 | elg | or maybe smbclient -L or something like that |
| 21:03.09 | elg | you can always set up your cups server (on a different machine if you need) with an smb printer and see if it works |
| 21:03.22 | elg | that should tell if you if the printers are "there" |
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| 21:03.31 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 21:03.35 | Supaplex | great idea |
| 21:03.36 | elg | but don't expect to be able to figure out if they will work without breaking down and using windows |
| 21:03.45 | elg | each version will work or not independent of the others, too. |
| 21:04.42 | Supaplex | nice ... |
| 21:11.19 | bonez31 | ifconfig shows my current IP..... what about the dns servers a machine is using though? /etc/resolv/conf? |
| 21:11.28 | sjansen | That's called "job security" |
| 21:12.12 | ^Migs^ | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN0748678920071107 |
| 21:12.32 | ^Migs^ | That article made me think of a wacky idea for a sitcom. A Jew and Muslim who are switched at birth finding out their true origins. |
| 21:12.55 | ^Migs^ | perfect for Iranian television |
| 21:13.28 | elg | heh |
| 21:13.56 | elg | so let's say I decide it's time to learn a little ajax, in the eternal battle against going stale |
| 21:14.10 | sjansen | http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/health/07fat.html?_r=2&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1194451583-35r8yvG//muQc6VvudlMvw&oref=slogin |
| 21:14.13 | brac | [Causes of Death Are Linked to a Person’s Weight - New York Times] |
| 21:14.14 | unum | I think drinking ajax sounds more fun |
| 21:14.14 | elg | ok, learn a little more than a little ajax. I learned a little the other day ;-) |
| 21:14.22 | elg | any books to recommend? |
| 21:14.27 | sjansen | Am I reading that right? Is it actually better to be a little overweight? |
| 21:14.35 | unum | we have head rush ajax here, my boss liked it |
| 21:14.35 | elg | http://pragprog.com/titles/ajax or http://pragprog.com/titles/cppsu perhaps? |
| 21:14.50 | sjansen | Okay, that's it, fries and a coke from now on! It's for my health! |
| 21:14.58 | elg | sjansen: without reading the article, I think that's true |
| 21:15.14 | elg | for a definition of "little" that would still make most people overweight |
| 21:16.33 | sjansen | elg: Friends don't let friends develop Web apps. AJAX is a time sucking soul destroying black hole. |
| 21:16.52 | unum | I'm trying to figure out when they weighed these people |
| 21:17.08 | unum | hopefully not at time of death |
| 21:17.16 | unum | that's worthless for what they are studying |
| 21:17.34 | unum | aah found it |
| 21:17.35 | Supaplex | "he died fat" |
| 21:17.41 | unum | life long measurements |
| 21:17.45 | elg | sjansen: so true. and yet, I feel the need to be at least conversant in it |
| 21:18.58 | unum | I know of an ajax job, it will be open if you know of a c++ job :) |
| 21:19.12 | sjansen | One problem with AJAX is that the basics are simple. The devil is in the detail, and for that you're better off learning a library and letting it deal with all the millions of compatibility issues and such. |
| 21:19.34 | unum | I'm in house so I just tell everyone to use firefox |
| 21:19.38 | elg | I don't think the article (which I only skimmed) really answers the question: do more people live longer in the 25-30 BMI range because more people are in the 25-30 BMI range, or is there cause and effect? |
| 21:20.53 | elg | sjansen: i'm not crazy enough to want to learn to do ajax at a low level. give me a library, absolutely |
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| 21:21.04 | Lakshmi | hi |
| 21:21.52 | sjansen | In which case, it'd probably be best to use the library integrated with your preferred framework. |
| 21:22.03 | sjansen | So if you're using Rails, a book about Prototype. |
| 21:22.55 | elg | good point |
| 21:24.26 | unum | elg: in the article they point out that the study doesn't prove a cause and effect |
| 21:24.36 | unum | of course the BMI is a bunch of crap anyways |
| 21:24.49 | elg | yes, it is |
| 21:25.04 | sjansen | unum: I've still decided to eat fries everyday for my health and you can't stop me. |
| 21:25.34 | elg | personally, I think overweight people live longer because they don't run |
| 21:25.37 | elg | running kills! |
| 21:25.46 | sjansen | ~elg++ |
| 21:25.49 | unum | sjansen: I'd consider a fattening food that doesn't give you diabetes if I were you |
| 21:26.07 | unum | I use the ellipitical |
| 21:26.43 | sjansen | If God had meant us to run he wouldn't have invented swimming... and shin splints. |
| 21:26.55 | sjansen | Or bicycles. |
| 21:27.09 | sjansen | Or Segways. |
| 21:27.25 | elg | or møøses |
| 21:28.44 | levi | Mmm, bicycles. |
| 21:29.03 | elg | i used to love bikes, then I got tall |
| 21:29.16 | elg | now i can only love expensive tall-person bikes |
| 21:30.33 | sjansen | Short bald bearded people rule! |
| 21:31.12 | pelaofeliz | Xen question for y'all -- I've got a domU that writes much faster to the file: disk than the phy: disk it's got... |
| 21:31.59 | pelaofeliz | the phy: disk is a big disk to contain a large mysql database. |
| 21:33.05 | pelaofeliz | when I run a million or so INSERTs on the file: disk, it takes ~3 minutes, but it takes much longer on the phy: disk (I killed it after 10-15 minutes) |
| 21:33.25 | elg | rsimpkins: ping |
| 21:33.56 | elg | i think maybe #utah killed plug |
| 21:34.01 | sjansen | pelaofeliz: goozbach might be a good one to ping if he doesn't see your question |
| 21:34.02 | rsimpkins | elg: here. |
| 21:34.05 | elg | like video killed the radio star |
| 21:34.15 | sjansen | in my heart and in my car |
| 21:34.18 | rsimpkins | elg: Luckily I keep excelent backups. What needs to happne? |
| 21:34.27 | pelaofeliz | sjansen: thanks |
| 21:34.40 | elg | well it may be just fine. I just want to forward you this mysqlcheck report so you can deal with it :) |
| 21:34.47 | rsimpkins | k |
| 21:35.43 | sjansen | pelaofeliz: It'd probably be more effective to offer him a Mountain Dew and a cheesecake. |
| 21:36.00 | sjansen | Maybe a grapefruit if he's feeling especially wicked. |
| 21:36.05 | pelaofeliz | One dewski comin' right up! |
| 21:36.19 | Supaplex | sjansen: and a highly sour one at that! |
| 21:36.27 | pelaofeliz | I'm fresh out of cheesecake & grapefruit |
| 21:37.21 | elg | pelaofeliz: you could ask on plug. kind of like cpr |
| 21:38.28 | rsimpkins | k, plug back up and restored. |
| 21:38.30 | rsimpkins | Thanks elg. |
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| 21:44.09 | sjansen | ~rsimpkins++ |
| 21:45.24 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 21:45.26 | elg | ~harleypig++ |
| 21:45.35 | herlo | ~elg-- |
| 21:45.37 | harleypig | ? |
| 21:45.41 | herlo | just for all the ++ing |
| 21:45.43 | herlo | :) |
| 21:45.45 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:47.46 | elg | ~herlopig-- |
| 21:48.51 | herlo | ~elg++ |
| 21:50.54 | herlo | Jayce^: ping |
| 21:57.29 | Keighvin | ~karma harleypig |
| 21:57.29 | ibot | harleypig has karma of 1 |
| 21:57.40 | Keighvin | ~karma elg |
| 21:57.40 | ibot | elg has karma of 3 |
| 21:57.47 | harleypig | hey cool ... I'm the one! |
| 21:58.17 | Keighvin | ~karma Keighvin |
| 21:58.17 | ibot | keighvin has neutral karma |
| 21:58.28 | Keighvin | Chaotic neutral, at that. |
| 21:58.41 | harleypig | hah! keighvin's karma is neutered! |
| 21:58.51 | Keighvin | Cute. How's the back? |
| 21:59.15 | harleypig | collapsing slowly |
| 21:59.30 | Keighvin | Not happy sounding. |
| 21:59.49 | harleypig | yeah, well. :] |
| 22:02.42 | Jayce^ | pong |
| 22:05.25 | Jayce^ | herlo, what time did we want to start the game? |
| 22:07.48 | rsimpkins | PelaoFeliz in here? |
| 22:08.08 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: Just activated your PLUG acct. :) |
| 22:08.12 | rsimpkins | pelaofeliz: Thanks for signing up. |
| 22:08.14 | harleypig | damn damn damn DAMN! |
| 22:08.25 | harleypig | I break my policy of not loaning out my computer one time |
| 22:08.26 | pelaofeliz | rsimpkins: thanks a bunch |
| 22:08.27 | harleypig | ONE TIME! |
| 22:08.35 | harleypig | And guess what the idiot did ... |
| 22:08.39 | rsimpkins | harleypig: lol |
| 22:08.42 | beandog | installed gentoo? |
| 22:08.47 | synic | poured coke into the keyboard? |
| 22:08.49 | harleypig | I have to reinstall my windows installation |
| 22:08.49 | rsimpkins | harleypig: Yeah - NEVER loan your system. |
| 22:09.17 | harleypig | I've got virtumonde, backorifice, and a couple of other virus/trojan's/what have you |
| 22:09.22 | Jayce^ | harleypig, HAHAAH |
| 22:09.26 | Jayce^ | err, dude, STBY |
| 22:09.27 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 22:09.32 | beandog | heh |
| 22:09.38 | rsimpkins | harleypig: That sucks. |
| 22:09.40 | harleypig | God, I hate windows. |
| 22:09.41 | Supaplex | buhuhaha. grep -i ^printcap cupsd.conf |
| 22:09.41 | Supaplex | Printcap /var/run/cups/printcap |
| 22:09.52 | beandog | So the real problem was that you even had windows in the first place |
| 22:10.09 | harleypig | beandog: True ... but how else am I going to play CS:S? |
| 22:10.16 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:10.16 | harleypig | transgaming won't work for me. |
| 22:10.18 | beandog | good call. |
| 22:10.25 | beandog | games++ |
| 22:10.29 | Supaplex | keep wineing ;) |
| 22:10.31 | rsimpkins | Anyone here play EVE online - or guild wars? |
| 22:10.59 | harleypig | *sigh* And I was gonna try and see if I could go see a movie this afternoon too ... |
| 22:11.10 | harleypig | What is EVE? |
| 22:11.17 | neybar | mmopg |
| 22:11.18 | rsimpkins | harleypig: space themed MMORPG |
| 22:11.20 | neybar | mmorpg |
| 22:11.32 | harleypig | sounds interesting ... is it like wow? |
| 22:11.48 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 22:11.50 | ^Migs^ | think more Privateer |
| 22:11.51 | rsimpkins | harleypig: It's like wow in as "wow this is in-depth and hard to understand." |
| 22:11.56 | harleypig | ;D |
| 22:12.01 | harleypig | got a url? |
| 22:12.14 | rsimpkins | http://eve-online.com/ |
| 22:12.16 | brac | [EVE Online - a massive multiplayer online roleplaying space game - MMORPG] |
| 22:12.18 | ^Migs^ | I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It's pretty popular. |
| 22:12.22 | rsimpkins | They give you a 14 day trial. |
| 22:12.23 | ^Migs^ | one of the most popular, in fact |
| 22:12.23 | beandog | harleypig, what movie? |
| 22:12.26 | beandog | is there anything good out |
| 22:12.35 | rsimpkins | harleypig: Load it up, then bring up the map of the universe. It is massive. |
| 22:12.43 | ^Migs^ | rsimpkins: I used to play Guild Wars. Awesome stuff. |
| 22:12.49 | harleypig | *shrug* I haven't been able to go anywhere for months ... I was just gonna see what was out there. |
| 22:12.50 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Not latley? |
| 22:12.57 | ^Migs^ | nope, not for awhile |
| 22:13.02 | ^Migs^ | probably about a year, in fact |
| 22:13.12 | harleypig | is eve more like a graphical mud then? |
| 22:13.23 | ^Migs^ | Eve is more like a space simulator |
| 22:13.26 | ^Migs^ | hehe |
| 22:13.32 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: The latest expansion Eye of the North has some interesting things. |
| 22:13.48 | ^Migs^ | I got bored with Guild Wars |
| 22:13.58 | ^Migs^ | I usually get bored with MMORPGs after awhile |
| 22:14.21 | rsimpkins | harleypig: I'm having a hard time having fun with EVE. It is pretty bland. |
| 22:14.49 | ^Migs^ | I think EVE might be more for those who want an socioeconomical game |
| 22:14.54 | ^Migs^ | s/an/a/ |
| 22:14.57 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 22:14.57 | rsimpkins | Agreed. |
| 22:15.17 | ^Migs^ | s/oops/BOLLOCKS!/ |
| 22:15.20 | rsimpkins | If you like financial stuff, stocks, investing, etc - and you like space pirates - eve could be fun for you. |
| 22:15.41 | harleypig | rsimpkins: Oh, is this a pay for play? |
| 22:15.59 | ^Migs^ | you want a free MMO? |
| 22:16.07 | rsimpkins | harleypig: 14 day free trial, then like $15 a month or so. I don't wanna buy it unless someone says it's good. |
| 22:16.14 | rsimpkins | harleypig: GW doesn't have a monthly. |
| 22:16.21 | harleypig | GW? |
| 22:16.25 | rsimpkins | guild wars |
| 22:16.27 | ^Migs^ | Guild Wars is probably the best free one, but there's a ton of free MMORPGs that have come out of Asia |
| 22:16.32 | harleypig | ^Migs^: Yeah, what's wrong with that? :> |
| 22:16.36 | ^Migs^ | like Risk Your Life 2, Savage... |
| 22:16.37 | rsimpkins | guild wars will keep you busy for a while. |
| 22:16.41 | dmdavis | runescape is a decent free to buy/free to play (unless you want a pay account) that is decent. runs right in the browser |
| 22:16.41 | rsimpkins | and it looks pretty. |
| 22:16.49 | ^Migs^ | I installed a whole ton, but can't think of them all |
| 22:16.56 | ^Migs^ | heh, Runescape is fun |
| 22:17.09 | herlo | Jayce^: 10am-2pm |
| 22:17.16 | harleypig | I've gotten into muds again recently ... but I kinda miss the graphical component |
| 22:17.24 | herlo | Jayce^: read the email |
| 22:17.27 | dmdavis | the main problem is that all those mmorpg's eventually just devolve into grinding for levels |
| 22:17.28 | ^Migs^ | Dungeon Runners... |
| 22:17.33 | bonez31 | I need an adjustable keyboard tray....anyone know of a really great one....using something great that is fully adjustable? |
| 22:17.36 | ^Migs^ | wait, that's not mmo |
| 22:17.48 | bonez31 | I looked at Office Max..and their selection was pretty small |
| 22:17.59 | ^Migs^ | http://www.gameogre.com/freemmorpgs.htm |
| 22:18.01 | brac | [Free MMORPG Lair - Huge List of Free MMORPGs] |
| 22:18.11 | ^Migs^ | oh, Anarchy Online is pretty popular. Free, but ad-based |
| 22:18.21 | ^Migs^ | like you're walking around a town and you'll see ads on the buildings |
| 22:18.51 | ^Migs^ | Rappelz is kind of cool. Basically the same as WoW, just more of a grind game |
| 22:19.12 | dmdavis | _more_ grind? is that possible? |
| 22:19.19 | ^Migs^ | you know what game I really like? Not an MMORPG, but more of a multiplayer FPS, is Rakion |
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| 22:19.57 | ^Migs^ | it's fantasy-based, and I like it because rather than shooting guns and stuff, you get right in the other players' faces and beat the crap out of them |
| 22:19.58 | harleypig | holy crap ... i just took a look at peer guardians' log ... I'm blocking more than 100 outgoing requests a second ... *sigh* |
| 22:20.06 | ^Migs^ | unless you're a cheap archer or mage. Then you beat the crap out of them from a small distance |
| 22:20.07 | Jayce^ | http://www.specialopspaintball.com/brigade/gamelocator/results.asp?GameID=19783 |
| 22:20.09 | brac | [Special Ops Paintball] |
| 22:20.18 | redbeard2 | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/11/chefs_as_chemists.html |
| 22:20.19 | brac | [MAKE: Blog: Chefs as chemists] |
| 22:20.24 | ^Migs^ | Shot Online is a neat little golf MMO |
| 22:20.44 | harleypig | I guess I can't put it off any longer ... |
| 22:20.51 | herlo | Jayce^: wanna announce it? |
| 22:20.55 | herlo | I'll blog it too |
| 22:21.00 | herlo | or you can, rather |
| 22:21.04 | ^Migs^ | Audition Online is pretty freakin sweet too |
| 22:21.06 | Jayce^ | go ahead :) |
| 22:21.13 | ^Migs^ | I got a little tired of that quickly, though. |
| 22:21.20 | ^Migs^ | but it's worth trying |
| 22:21.20 | herlo | Jayce^: you need to announce it though fist |
| 22:21.22 | herlo | first |
| 22:21.27 | herlo | oh, okay... |
| 22:21.29 | herlo | I'll do it |
| 22:21.36 | Jayce^ | BTW... I HATE SLONY! |
| 22:21.45 | herlo | SLONY? |
| 22:22.15 | herlo | Jayce^: oh, I won't use it... |
| 22:22.37 | beandog | Panasomic > Slony |
| 22:22.48 | Jayce^ | postgres replication |
| 22:22.57 | herlo | Jayce^: I see that |
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| 22:25.01 | jsmith | Jayce^: Tried Bucardo yet? |
| 22:36.42 | Jayce^ | jsmith, dba couldn't get it working "as well as slony" :) |
| 22:37.29 | herlo | Jayce^: just got off the phone with Jeff about rentals. |
| 22:37.33 | herlo | good to go |
| 22:38.23 | Jayce^ | cool, will he have extra paint to sell? |
| 22:38.31 | Jayce^ | we can |
| 22:38.37 | herlo | Jayce^: he could... |
| 22:38.45 | Jayce^ | we'll have some too probably |
| 22:38.52 | herlo | Jayce^: wouldn't be all that hard, but Erich has about 15 boxes |
| 22:39.00 | Jayce^ | *snicker*... |
| 22:39.07 | Jayce^ | :-D |
| 22:40.02 | herlo | Jayce^: I love the little description on specialops |
| 22:48.10 | sontek | Paintball is for girls, real men play Counter-Strike |
| 22:48.39 | fozzmoo | Where does Morgan Webb fit into that statement, sontek? |
| 22:49.22 | sontek | fozzmoo: mmmm... Morgan. I still call picking her up from the airport if we get her |
| 22:50.40 | herlo | sontek: last I checked, *I* was the fearless leader who got to do those sorts of things |
| 22:51.19 | sontek | herlo: nope, you have more important things to do! Like blogging about paintball and polls about ibot being a chick, no time for Morgan! |
| 22:52.09 | sontek | herlo: But I'll take one for the team |
| 22:52.13 | herlo | sontek: haha, not true! I'm single, and youre not |
| 22:52.21 | sontek | herlo: Single is a relative term! |
| 22:52.53 | fozzmoo | She's married. |
| 22:52.56 | herlo | sontek: I'm not going there... |
| 22:53.05 | herlo | fozzmoo: so, don't ruin it for me |
| 22:53.24 | fozzmoo | So, I can say, "Hey, I'm married. You're married. What's the problem?" |
| 22:53.38 | sontek | Thats it. We are taking her off the poll, add other maxim spreads to it |
| 22:54.11 | fozzmoo | Right on! |
| 22:54.29 | sontek | sarah silverman! |
| 22:54.37 | herlo | haha, I think not |
| 22:55.43 | sontek | we should get leah, http://leahculver.com/, I met her at OSCON, shes hot and actually hacks on django =) |
| 22:56.45 | sontek | a true open source person! Not any of that Morgan Webb wannabe crap |
| 22:57.04 | sontek | so am I in charge of organizing the UTOSF 2009 Geek Calendar? |
| 22:57.26 | fozzmoo | We could just have maquis come and speak. |
| 22:59.08 | sontek | fozzmoo: the attendees have spoken, they want someone whos been in maxim. |
| 23:06.03 | herlo | sontek: yep, organize away |
| 23:08.03 | sontek | w00t |
| 23:08.19 | sontek | Jayce^: you are January! |
| 23:08.48 | sontek | fozzmoo: I'm seeing you as a February |
| 23:09.57 | fozzmoo | I've never been in Maxim. |
| 23:10.40 | sontek | fozzmoo: we are going to do our own calendar! It'll be better than Sport Illustrator's |
| 23:11.38 | sontek | June is the only month spoken for, but you can sumo wrestle the winner between me and herlo if you really want it |
| 23:12.17 | rsimpkins | sontek: Which month is harlypigspeedo? |
| 23:13.48 | sontek | rsimpkins: March, hes gonna have a leprechaun outfit with the green beard |
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| 23:20.28 | herlo | rsimpkins: its the thong: http://cafepress.com/harleypig |
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| 23:46.06 | fozzmoo | 998 packages. 985M of updates |
| 23:51.33 | sontek | :O |
| 23:53.36 | beandog | did anyone else in slc area have their cable go out |
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| 23:54.52 | brac | what I realllllly want, is the audience for the Church. |
| 23:58.24 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 23:58.34 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on mrpull and turns mrpull into a brick |