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| 01:02.46 | brac | ~rot 666 Jayce^ |
| 01:02.46 | ibot | 666 Jayce^ |
| 01:08.29 | fozzmoo | Maybe someone can answer this: Do I need anything other than matching UUIDs on array component partitions for the kernel to auto-create software RAID arrays? |
| 01:09.18 | elg | fozzmoo: i don't have a real answer for you, but my guess is that's enough |
| 01:09.41 | elg | since i believe (and indeed I think I ahve seen this happen) that the kernel can automagically detect and configure raids |
| 01:14.36 | herlo | fozzmoo: ping |
| 01:15.48 | fozzmoo | herlo! |
| 01:15.48 | herlo | hey |
| 01:15.50 | herlo | sup? |
| 01:16.00 | fozzmoo | Okay... my home server's been having problems. |
| 01:16.07 | fozzmoo | A couple drives have been acting up. |
| 01:16.23 | fozzmoo | These drives contain raid1 arrays |
| 01:16.30 | herlo | k |
| 01:16.44 | fozzmoo | So, I failed all the partitions on one of the drives... and added matching partitions from the new drives. |
| 01:16.53 | fozzmoo | Did that for both of the drives I wanted to remove. |
| 01:17.00 | fozzmoo | So, now I have the arrays across the two new drives. |
| 01:17.14 | fozzmoo | But rescue mode won't automagically create the arrays. |
| 01:17.15 | herlo | k |
| 01:17.23 | fozzmoo | It errors out. |
| 01:17.31 | fozzmoo | I can go to a prompt and manually create them... |
| 01:17.34 | fozzmoo | and then I can mount stuff. |
| 01:18.05 | herlo | so what is the problem? automagically creating them? |
| 01:18.13 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 01:18.23 | fozzmoo | I need to get into rescue mode so I can install grub on the new drive(s) |
| 01:18.31 | herlo | ahh.. |
| 01:18.35 | fozzmoo | But I can't get that far. it errors out... |
| 01:18.45 | herlo | mdadm does exist in rescue mode |
| 01:18.53 | fozzmoo | vt4 says "WARNING: missing components of raid device..." |
| 01:18.54 | herlo | oh |
| 01:19.31 | fozzmoo | herlo: Yeah, I can go to a prompt and do 'mdadm --create /dev/md2 ...' and recreate each array... |
| 01:19.33 | fozzmoo | and that works fine. |
| 01:19.44 | elg | i have a grub iso |
| 01:20.11 | fozzmoo | But it seems like I need to know what magic I need to perform so the kernel (and anaconda) auto-assemble the arrays. |
| 01:20.24 | fozzmoo | I've got matching UUIDs on all the component partitions... |
| 01:20.32 | herlo | fozzmoo: what kernel version? |
| 01:20.33 | elg | hans.fugal.net/grub.iso |
| 01:20.36 | fozzmoo | 2.6.18 |
| 01:20.39 | fozzmoo | (CentOS5) |
| 01:20.41 | elg | 22MB |
| 01:21.11 | fozzmoo | elg: Would that help me? |
| 01:21.35 | elg | i've installed grub on stuff when booting from that (i.e. it brings up grub and you use grub to install grub on a hard drive) |
| 01:21.44 | herlo | fozzmoo: probably not because grub doesnt support raid |
| 01:22.12 | elg | well, whether he can put grub on them or not is a valid question |
| 01:22.32 | elg | but booting into rescue mode to put grub on them won't automagically allow grub to boot from them |
| 01:22.34 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I need grub installed on the new boot drive. that's true. |
| 01:23.00 | fozzmoo | I just need to know why the kernel won't auto-create the arrays anymore. What am I missing? |
| 01:23.08 | elg | i think you have a separate non-raid boot device? |
| 01:23.17 | herlo | fozzmoo: check rc.sysinit |
| 01:23.26 | fozzmoo | Actually, no. /boot is raid1 |
| 01:23.34 | fozzmoo | herlo: Okay. |
| 01:23.37 | elg | ime the centos5 rescue mode is pretty anemic |
| 01:23.48 | herlo | thats where it inits raid |
| 01:23.51 | elg | maybe it would work fine with your normal kernel |
| 01:23.58 | Lakshmi | hey everyone |
| 01:23.58 | herlo | elg: that's actually not true |
| 01:24.15 | fozzmoo | if [ -f /etc/mdadm.conf ]; then |
| 01:24.15 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.15 | fozzmoo | fi |
| 01:24.25 | elg | i was darned if I could figure out how to do LVM from it |
| 01:24.36 | herlo | elg: rm has lvm raid and more |
| 01:24.39 | fozzmoo | elg: Part of my arrays are LVM. |
| 01:24.42 | herlo | elg: what ver? |
| 01:24.42 | fozzmoo | \rm? |
| 01:24.50 | elg | i believe it was centos5 |
| 01:24.57 | herlo | rescue mode: im on my treo |
| 01:25.03 | elg | maybe I'm thinking of the installation disks. is that different from rescue mode I suppse so |
| 01:25.11 | herlo | elg: it has lvm capability |
| 01:25.25 | fozzmoo | Yeah. It detected my raid1+LVM stuff just fine before. |
| 01:25.50 | fozzmoo | My normal kernel might work, but I can't boot (because of grub!) yet. |
| 01:26.06 | fozzmoo | Alright. Well I've got a few things to try. Thanks! |
| 01:26.25 | herlo | fozzmoo: I'll check when I get home |
| 01:28.16 | elg | i honestly don't remember the details of the disaster. it was a few months ago, it was supposd to be a 30-minute job and took a couple of hours because A) I didn't realize I had to download all the flipping CDs to do a basic install, B) I had LVM problems that I couldn't figure out how to solve and had to download ubuntu or knoppix or something |
| 01:28.41 | elg | and that's as far as my memory block will allow me to remember :) |
| 01:30.45 | herlo | elg: get the dvd or do a network rm |
| 01:30.55 | herlo | its way better |
| 01:31.13 | elg | i'll remember that |
| 01:31.18 | elg | though i'm sure it didn't have a dvd drive |
| 01:32.12 | herlo | elg: boot.iso or usb disk is best to boot from |
| 01:41.43 | Sargun | Bye! |
| 01:41.46 | Sargun | Don't Die! |
| 01:41.49 | Sargun | Try to Fly!~ |
| 01:43.00 | Lakshmi | hehe |
| 01:43.08 | Lakshmi | how about purple sargun |
| 01:43.12 | Lakshmi | rhyme with purple! |
| 01:43.13 | Lakshmi | ? |
| 01:43.56 | Sargun | slurple. |
| 01:44.03 | Lakshmi | a real word? |
| 01:44.05 | Lakshmi | maybe? |
| 01:44.22 | Sargun | it is. |
| 01:45.37 | Lakshmi | oh |
| 01:45.46 | Lakshmi | would u like to define slurple then? |
| 02:23.23 | Lakshmi | death by water intoxication |
| 02:23.29 | Lakshmi | or death by alchohal poisoning? |
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| 02:27.41 | fozzmoo | Well, FEI, my RAID problem turned out to be kinda dumb. |
| 02:27.49 | fozzmoo | Elusive, but dumb, nonetheless. |
| 02:28.20 | fozzmoo | Apparently, at some point, I partitioned one of the two new drives and failed to type them as 'fd' (Linux RAID autodetect) so they were all Linux partitions |
| 02:28.33 | fozzmoo | Evidently, you can manually create arrays using those... |
| 02:28.48 | fozzmoo | but you can't expect the kernel to auto-create arrays for you that way. :) |
| 02:41.29 | herlo | fozzmoo: yup, you can |
| 02:41.39 | herlo | fozzmoo: and I hadn't thought of that, dang it! |
| 02:42.03 | fozzmoo | I know I made sure all my new partitions were 'fd'... |
| 02:42.14 | herlo | hmm |
| 02:42.15 | fozzmoo | but apparently on the last time through, I got sloppy. |
| 02:42.31 | herlo | fozzmoo: do you know what package loads the driver for the synaptics touch pad? |
| 02:42.32 | fozzmoo | So, one drive had 'fd' partitions. The other drive had all Linux partitions. |
| 02:42.39 | herlo | yeah, that'd do it |
| 02:42.45 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo alchohal poisoning or water poisoning? |
| 02:42.53 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Probably water. :) |
| 02:43.00 | Lakshmi | cool |
| 02:43.05 | Lakshmi | not as fun to resarch though |
| 02:43.10 | Lakshmi | so im sorry u loose :) |
| 02:43.25 | fozzmoo | herlo: synaptics |
| 02:43.31 | fozzmoo | rpm -qf /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so |
| 02:43.32 | fozzmoo | synaptics-0.14.4-8.fc6 |
| 02:43.47 | fozzmoo | (That's on F7) |
| 02:44.06 | herlo | hmm, that's strange |
| 02:44.27 | herlo | I have that package |
| 02:45.09 | findlay | did it come UPS or yum? |
| 02:45.35 | herlo | findlay: yum |
| 02:45.48 | herlo | # rpm -q synaptics |
| 02:45.48 | findlay | hm |
| 02:45.48 | herlo | synaptics-0.14.4-11.fc8 |
| 02:46.11 | findlay | does yum have free shipping? |
| 02:46.26 | fozzmoo | findlay: you ask odd questions. |
| 02:46.35 | findlay | it is my destiny |
| 02:47.05 | herlo | findlay: yep, free everything actually |
| 02:47.11 | herlo | shipping labeling delivery, etc |
| 02:47.12 | findlay | nice |
| 02:47.19 | herlo | findlay: you should really switch to yum |
| 02:47.28 | findlay | yeah |
| 02:47.40 | findlay | well, I recently switched to galeon |
| 02:48.20 | findlay | I like my ff extensions and stuff, but when it starts chugging 15% CPU and 50% mem I get sad |
| 02:50.01 | herlo | findlay: what version of ff were you running? |
| 02:50.07 | findlay | that is 15/50 in *idle* |
| 02:50.35 | herlo | findlay: and what OS |
| 02:50.48 | findlay | herlo: 2.0.0.8 |
| 02:50.54 | findlay | on teh linux |
| 02:52.04 | herlo | findlay: which linux? |
| 02:52.18 | herlo | findlay: I've never had that kind of load in Fedora and I'm currently running 2.0.0.8 |
| 02:52.24 | findlay | the lavender one |
| 02:52.28 | herlo | er 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.8 |
| 02:52.50 | herlo | findlay: I don't like lavender, it tries to hard to be purple |
| 02:52.57 | findlay | well I did some agressive memory prefs changing |
| 02:53.00 | findlay | in about:config |
| 02:53.09 | findlay | but it doesn't seem to have helped much |
| 02:53.24 | findlay | and I haven't done any formal investigation in the matter |
| 02:54.02 | findlay | this is also after I had had about 50 tabs open with no more than about 20 simultaneously |
| 02:54.19 | findlay | I think ff likes to leave way too many cached pages all over the place |
| 02:54.53 | findlay | that is, 50 tabs in about the space ot two hours on a ff process that had been open for about 5 days |
| 02:55.32 | findlay | s/t/o |
| 02:55.36 | findlay | s/t/f |
| 02:56.12 | herlo | findlay: that's a bit higher than the amount of tabs I run, but I regularly leave mine open for 1-2 days |
| 03:09.36 | levi | Well, my efforts to link into a MSSQL database have been futile, but I built an in-memory db with the System.Data stuff and its XML serialization. |
| 03:09.48 | levi | That will probably be sufficient for what I need. |
| 03:10.31 | herlo | me loves his Werewolf! |
| 03:24.48 | herlo | the bluetooth features are *so* much better |
| 03:26.51 | mrpull-wc | herlo: does it make it easy to join a BT PAN? |
| 03:30.22 | herlo | mrpull-wc: what is that? |
| 03:30.31 | herlo | Personal Area network? |
| 03:30.44 | mrpull-wc | yeah. personal area network. |
| 03:30.48 | herlo | mrpull-wc: if that's what you are asking, I believe it can.. |
| 03:31.31 | mrpull-wc | in windows it is a cinch to tether my BT phone |
| 03:31.58 | herlo | mrpull-wc: already, I have that working with my mouse. Before, I had to connect it every time. Now its just a matter of accepting the bluetooth device |
| 03:32.00 | mrpull-wc | it is a hassle (at least in ubuntu) to do it so i just boot to windows when i want to tether |
| 03:32.23 | herlo | I used to have to do hidd --connect <mac address of my mouse> |
| 03:32.45 | herlo | now, the bluetooth manager notifies me that it wants to connect, I click okay, and I'm good |
| 03:32.53 | herlo | very awesome! |
| 03:33.16 | herlo | and, you can set it to easily accept certain devices without request... |
| 03:33.23 | mrpull-wc | does it use gnome's BT manager? |
| 03:33.27 | herlo | yup |
| 03:33.28 | mrpull-wc | is so, what version? |
| 03:33.56 | herlo | gnome-bluetooth-0.9.1-3.fc8 |
| 03:34.21 | herlo | mrpull-wc: its pre f8 |
| 03:34.56 | herlo | rawhide is frozen right now though, with only bug fixes coming... |
| 03:35.25 | herlo | I'm currently trying to get the new open ATI driver working with my FireGL card |
| 03:54.22 | sontek | herlo: why can't you have a - in nfs share names? |
| 03:55.02 | levi | sontek: How does one discover what process has a file open in Windows? |
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| 03:56.12 | herlo | sontek: because autofs uses that |
| 03:57.10 | sontek | levi: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/ProcessExplorer.mspx |
| 03:57.37 | sontek | levi: theres also a program called unlocker that will give you the process and allow you to terminate it |
| 03:58.50 | herlo | sontek: why would you want to have a - in your share name? |
| 03:59.27 | sontek | herlo: because thats what the directory is named |
| 03:59.36 | herlo | sontek: why? |
| 03:59.38 | levi | sontek: I found an interesting thread that documents the errors I'm seeing. |
| 04:00.23 | levi | sontek: Apparently SQL Server Express is a buggy piece of garbage. :) |
| 04:00.23 | sontek | herlo: because its the way I like it? |
| 04:00.23 | herlo | sontek: but that's a dumb way to name your directory/files |
| 04:00.23 | sontek | levi: thats why they give it away for free |
| 04:00.32 | sontek | herlo: I'm sorry you feel that way |
| 04:00.52 | sontek | herlo: hyphens take 1 key, underscores take 2 |
| 04:01.45 | herlo | sontek: agreed, I don't use either |
| 04:01.53 | herlo | sontek: use a 0 or something else |
| 04:02.03 | sontek | herlo: thats just silly |
| 04:02.10 | herlo | sontek: so's a - |
| 04:02.23 | sontek | - is readable |
| 04:02.36 | sontek | tv0shows0finished isn't readable |
| 04:02.41 | sontek | tv-shows-finished is |
| 04:02.42 | herlo | sontek: but I still don't see why you need it at the beginning |
| 04:02.49 | herlo | sontek: that's fine |
| 04:02.57 | sontek | I don't, it doesn't work with it in the middle |
| 04:03.01 | herlo | sontek: I thought you were talking about a - at the beginning |
| 04:03.45 | herlo | sontek: the - in the middle of an nfs share should work just fine. |
| 04:04.06 | sontek | herlo: it doesn't, and vim's syntax highlighting turns it read |
| 04:04.14 | sontek | herlo: so i'm pretty sure its invalid, I just don't know why |
| 04:05.19 | levi | Hmm, I killed the SQL server process and started it again. |
| 04:05.27 | levi | Now it dies immediately after I start it. |
| 04:06.29 | herlo | # mount 127.0.0.1:/data/a-dir-for-sontek /mnt |
| 04:06.41 | herlo | 127.0.0.1:/data/a-dir-for-sontek on /mnt type nfs (rw,addr=127.0.0.1) |
| 04:06.44 | herlo | sontek: there it is |
| 04:07.00 | herlo | sontek: it turns red for me too, but it works just fine |
| 04:11.13 | sontek | hmm yeah, looks like the nfs part works with it |
| 04:11.19 | sontek | so its just autofs that screws up with it |
| 04:14.11 | herlo | sontek: and that's because autofs uses a special type of share that requires a - |
| 04:14.17 | herlo | its called a direct map |
| 04:14.29 | sontek | herlo: but isn't it always at the beginning? |
| 04:15.20 | herlo | sontek: nope |
| 04:15.27 | herlo | sontek: its not what you think |
| 04:15.48 | herlo | with autofs, you can set up a direct map that will work off the / |
| 04:16.10 | herlo | normally autofs only works from some directory (one level) away from / |
| 04:16.15 | herlo | e.g. /exports |
| 04:16.30 | herlo | but autofs supports this direct mapping... |
| 04:16.42 | herlo | and I'm guessing that's why because it has a mapping like so |
| 04:16.52 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.23 | levi | 'Team projects' in school are pretty much a joke, anyway. |
| 04:19.22 | sontek | levi: team projects are the best thing to be done at schools |
| 04:20.55 | sontek | levi: but you sitting here complaining about technologies used and calling the work you are doing a joke, makes me think that you wont be a very productive teammate in a company someday. You aren't going to get to choose your team or technology in the real world. |
| 04:23.25 | sontek | when I was in school, when we did team projects, I took it as a learning experience, even when I was the most talented person on the team, I still learned a lot, communication, organization, and even learned how to do a little teaching |
| 04:23.32 | levi | sontek: Dude, I've been productive at work for years now. |
| 04:24.28 | levi | sontek: I'm just way out of my element with these Microsoft tools. |
| 04:24.44 | sontek | complaining about them isn't going to get you any closer to your element ;) |
| 04:25.21 | sontek | and you can get the job done with out them, I do everyday =) |
| 04:25.35 | sontek | I work at a microsoft shop but I run Linux |
| 04:25.45 | levi | sontek: Where did you go to school? |
| 04:26.13 | levi | I had more luck with team projects when I was at BYU and everyone was a full-time student. |
| 04:26.15 | sontek | levi: University of Michigan |
| 04:27.04 | sontek | I never graduated though, I moved out here when I was in my 3rd year and never continued my education |
| 04:27.12 | findlay | sontek: cool |
| 04:27.20 | levi | With UVSC night classes, pretty much everyone works full time and doing any sort of team collaboration is incredibly difficult. |
| 04:27.21 | findlay | I may go to graduate school there |
| 04:27.38 | sontek | yeah, I can see that |
| 04:27.46 | sontek | findlay: what field? |
| 04:27.51 | levi | I didn't graduate either, which is why I'm in this situation now. |
| 04:27.51 | findlay | M-theory |
| 04:28.20 | levi | I prefer N-theory, myself. :P |
| 04:28.45 | findlay | levi: don't you mean m++ theory, or is that m# theory? |
| 04:29.34 | levi | findlay: No, the proper successor to M is N. Silly stuff like '++' and '#' is for weenies who can't break with tradition. |
| 04:29.46 | findlay | haha |
| 04:30.11 | findlay | are you making oblique insinuations about the D language? |
| 04:30.16 | sontek | I've actually been thinking about signing up for slcc night classes to start moving forward on my degree again |
| 04:30.20 | findlay | it seems pretty C-like to me |
| 04:30.31 | levi | findlay: I didn't intend to, but I did realize it could be taken that way. |
| 04:30.59 | levi | findlay: I don't have a final opinion about D yet, though. |
| 04:31.12 | findlay | levi: sadly you're so right |
| 04:31.46 | levi | sontek: They don't have any 4-year degrees, do they? |
| 04:31.56 | findlay | there are programmers out there in this world who won't learn functional languages or ${language} because it's not 'mainstream' |
| 04:32.24 | findlay | where 'mainstream' at least subconsciously == 'Microsoft' |
| 04:32.34 | levi | Woot, I can add database objects to my 'Solution' now. |
| 04:32.37 | sontek | levi: no, but you can transfer to UofU from there |
| 04:32.58 | sontek | levi: and slcc is a block from my office |
| 04:33.08 | levi | sontek: Ahh, that's convenient! |
| 04:33.09 | sontek | well, like a quarter mile, but not far ;) |
| 04:33.14 | findlay | sounds like a winner |
| 04:33.35 | levi | UVSC is not close to my office, which is a pain. But I was able to transfer most of my BYU credits usefully there. |
| 04:49.53 | sontek | do they have decent cs classes? |
| 04:59.46 | levi | Some of them are pretty good. |
| 05:00.19 | levi | If you're interested in C++ and software engineering, there are really top-notch guys. |
| 05:01.26 | levi | If you get a bad adjunct professor, things can get pretty bad, though. |
| 05:01.46 | levi | The regular faculty is pretty good, with only one glaring exception that I've found. |
| 05:02.09 | sontek | I've been developing high level web applications in C#/.NET for 5 years now, I really would rather be hacking on lower level C stuff (i've recently started working on a project called mango-lassi which is all C) |
| 05:02.20 | findlay | yeah, pretty good for an M$ shop |
| 05:03.44 | levi | I work with lower level C stuff at work. I'd really rather be hacking on stuff in Lisp or Haskell or OCaml or something. :) |
| 05:04.03 | sontek | I'll give ya haskell and ocaml =) |
| 05:04.14 | sontek | ~lart lisp |
| 05:04.14 | ibot | teaches lisp that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 05:04.25 | levi | But the stuff I'm working on at the moment is cool, so the fact that I have to continue to deal with C is bearable. |
| 05:04.46 | levi | C'mon, Lisp is awesome. I often use Scheme in class assignments when I have the option. |
| 05:05.05 | levi | And I wrote my blog engine in Common Lisp. |
| 05:05.22 | sontek | the design of Lisp is cool, the language is very powerful |
| 05:05.23 | levi | I also wrote a Markdown parser, though I haven't actually put it into use. |
| 05:05.28 | sontek | but I just can't stand its syntax |
| 05:05.46 | levi | It takes some getting used to. |
| 05:05.49 | herlo | sontek: so you also hate scheme |
| 05:05.58 | levi | If you can't get used to it, you could try Dylan. |
| 05:06.08 | sontek | herlo: no, I hate scheme syntax |
| 05:06.10 | herlo | ~schemehater sontek |
| 05:06.29 | sontek | herlo: lisp was way ahead of its time |
| 05:06.47 | levi | Scheme is awesome, if you get a good distribution with a lot of convenience functions already written for you. |
| 05:07.24 | levi | Even if you don't, it's awesome for its extensibility. |
| 05:07.42 | levi | But then it's also a bit tedious to write all those convenience functions... |
| 05:08.23 | levi | Anyway, Dylan is very much like Lisp, but has an Algol-style syntax. |
| 05:11.11 | levi | Scala is kind of cool, too, and has the advantage of living on either the JVM or .NET and having access to all the libraries on those platforms, but also seems to have a steep learning curve. |
| 05:11.50 | levi | BTW, my C#/Visual Studio/SQL Server experience is going much more smoothly now that I reinstalled SQL Server. :P |
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| 05:32.13 | findlay | heh, 'The Reinstall' |
| 05:43.19 | sontek | I love C#/.NET but haven't used Visual Studio in awhile |
| 05:43.27 | sontek | and never used the express editions |
| 05:44.13 | findlay | what about C##? |
| 05:45.21 | levi | I'm ambivalent about C#/.NET. It's slowly but surely drawing people closer to the state of the art in programming languages, but it's getting pretty darn messy along the way. |
| 05:45.49 | findlay | quagmire of Java flavors |
| 05:46.23 | findlay | s/flavors/proportions/ |
| 05:47.17 | findlay | it's amazing how otherwise very intelligent people can be so wholly and stubbornly MS-centric |
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| 05:52.10 | findlay | ~onjoin Sargun My World Has Rocks Sargun? |
| 05:52.10 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 05:54.38 | levi | findlay: Who's wholly and stubbornly MS-centric? |
| 05:55.45 | findlay | levi: I know a few people who think C# is the best thing since pocket protectors and don't even get them started on those evil 'functional' languages |
| 05:56.11 | findlay | D wasn't created by MS, so it must be garbage |
| 05:56.41 | findlay | perl, python, ruby, php are just ametuer languages, etc. |
| 06:03.27 | sontek | I love C#/.NET because its syntax fits well for what I like in a language, its just my style, and the .net class librarie have so many great things already done for you, it makes developing large applications easy. |
| 06:04.32 | sontek | and I prefer typed languages over dynamic ones |
| 06:05.08 | sontek | but its all a matter of style, I don't make fun of people who wear american eagle over abercrombie and fitch, and I don't make fun of people for their language choice |
| 06:06.11 | findlay | sontek: I sincerely want to appreciate c# and stuff, but the MS connection makes me feel sick and wicked inside |
| 06:06.22 | findlay | maybe that's hypocritical |
| 06:07.39 | sontek | C# really hasn't been ms centric for a few years, and I have nothing against open standards, even if the standard was designed initially by microsoft |
| 06:07.58 | findlay | that's true |
| 06:08.03 | sontek | its a great standard |
| 06:08.15 | sontek | MS really doesn't accel in R&D |
| 06:08.22 | sontek | does* |
| 06:08.51 | Lakshmi | school sucks |
| 06:09.02 | findlay | but ever since I started seriously using perl and especially later python, I now dislike the C-style verbose puctuation |
| 06:09.57 | findlay | ~school Lakshmi |
| 06:10.01 | ibot | ACTION slaps Lakshmi around, robs'm, then reminds'm to be thankfully for the education. |
| 06:11.54 | levi | sontek: On the contrary, Microsoft has some great research going on. It's just that it doesn't translate very directly/visibly into their product line. |
| 06:12.15 | findlay | sontek: maybe I should try using c# before attempting to find an opinion on it :) |
| 06:12.33 | findlay | spell checking for irssi would be awesome |
| 06:13.04 | levi | findlay: C# is vaguely like Java, but with a few extra advanced bits. |
| 06:13.36 | levi | Maybe slightly less verbose than Java. |
| 06:14.12 | findlay | levi: sorry, I know no Java :) |
| 06:14.35 | levi | findlay: C# people hating on functional languages is funny, considering Erik Meijer is a huge functional language fan, and that Microsoft just announced that they're adding F# to their official .NET languages. |
| 06:14.48 | findlay | man, there are so many way cute girls in my new ward |
| 06:15.07 | findlay | what's F#? |
| 06:15.09 | levi | F# = ocaml on .net |
| 06:15.14 | findlay | ah |
| 06:16.11 | levi | Well, it used to be ocaml on .net, but it's been progressing away from being simply a port of ocaml. |
| 06:19.10 | sontek | microsoft is moving towards the functional/dynamic ways |
| 06:19.15 | sontek | they also release the DLR |
| 06:19.26 | sontek | and ofcourse employ the developers of ironruby |
| 06:20.33 | findlay | not to be confused with iridiumruby |
| 06:35.58 | tensai | wow. I finally got hit by a food recall. |
| 06:36.22 | tensai | I hold in my hands a pizza which may or may not be laced with steer manure and killer bacteria |
| 06:41.01 | levi | sontek: F# is not dynamic, though. It's got a relatively sane static type system. |
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| 07:03.27 | sontek | tensai: eat it at win the lawsuit |
| 07:04.19 | tensai | sontek: tempting to be sure. but now there's public evidence that I was aware of the danger, so if I ate it I'd probably lose |
| 07:04.44 | sontek | message riker! |
| 07:04.44 | tensai | I sure would like to get violently ill just so I can cash in though. imagine the fun. |
| 07:04.56 | sontek | he'll doctor the logs! |
| 07:06.04 | tensai | I do have to wonder if the e. coli would make this pizza taste somewhat less like cardboard |
| 07:10.03 | Sargun | hi |
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| 07:41.59 | klys | ~quote orcl |
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| 08:15.39 | Sargun | lol |
| 08:54.18 | Lakshmi | hi sargun |
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| 09:18.53 | Sargun | hey Lakshmi |
| 09:20.31 | Lakshmi | sup sargun |
| 09:20.42 | Lakshmi | are u home? |
| 09:20.46 | Lakshmi | are u done with works? |
| 09:20.48 | Sargun | I'm home |
| 09:20.52 | Sargun | and it doesn't work |
| 09:20.55 | Lakshmi | :( |
| 09:20.56 | Lakshmi | aw |
| 09:21.00 | Lakshmi | im sorry |
| 09:21.03 | Sargun | which means I'm back tomorrrow |
| 09:21.07 | Sargun | its alright |
| 09:21.15 | Sargun | Thanks for caring |
| 09:21.22 | Lakshmi | np |
| 09:21.32 | Lakshmi | your worth it :) |
| 09:21.39 | Lakshmi | guess what though! |
| 09:21.44 | Lakshmi | im done with my note card! |
| 09:22.33 | Sargun | thesuperpass |
| 09:22.45 | Lakshmi | question for you- how do u do it? |
| 09:22.51 | Sargun | Do what? |
| 09:22.57 | Lakshmi | sleep at like 1 wake up at 6 ready to go |
| 09:23.28 | Sargun | with lots of rock |
| 09:23.46 | Lakshmi | ah rocks are cool |
| 09:23.55 | Lakshmi | as long as you dont have them in you its good |
| 09:24.00 | Sargun | ~poch |
| 09:24.01 | Sargun | ~epoch |
| 09:24.02 | ibot | well, epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a very ugly concept used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 09:24.25 | Lakshmi | will we even be alive in 2038? |
| 09:24.33 | Lakshmi | i'll be like ancient |
| 09:24.52 | Lakshmi | oh |
| 09:24.54 | Lakshmi | whoa |
| 09:24.58 | Lakshmi | i guess not that ancient |
| 09:25.02 | Lakshmi | jus semi ancient |
| 09:25.42 | Lakshmi | your aim is having a spazattack |
| 09:27.09 | Sargun | 2 things |
| 09:27.22 | Lakshmi | 2 things what? |
| 09:27.24 | Sargun | You know who will be even more ancient |
| 09:27.25 | Sargun | findlay, |
| 09:27.36 | Lakshmi | prolly |
| 09:27.37 | Lakshmi | and? |
| 09:27.51 | Sargun | He is an old man. |
| 09:27.58 | Lakshmi | how old is he? |
| 09:28.15 | Sargun | like several eons |
| 09:28.21 | Lakshmi | ah |
| 09:28.36 | Lakshmi | i didnt realize that old ppl talk to other ppl |
| 09:28.49 | Lakshmi | its a very interesting concept in my head |
| 09:29.01 | Lakshmi | i have a pin nazi |
| 09:31.23 | Sargun | hm |
| 09:31.24 | Sargun | Pin nazi> |
| 09:31.34 | Lakshmi | yeah |
| 09:31.44 | Lakshmi | i got told i dont wear the right kind of safety pins |
| 09:31.52 | Sargun | by who? |
| 09:31.56 | Lakshmi | and that all pins worn must pass thorough inspection |
| 09:32.01 | Lakshmi | for pinness |
| 09:32.09 | Lakshmi | who do you think would be that bizarre? |
| 09:32.25 | Lakshmi | as to implement a pin rule |
| 09:33.05 | Sargun | uh |
| 09:33.08 | Sargun | who the...? |
| 09:33.19 | Lakshmi | dance danbce |
| 09:33.20 | Lakshmi | DANCE |
| 09:33.22 | Lakshmi | that |
| 09:33.27 | Lakshmi | evil liltle thing |
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| 09:34.52 | Sargun | hatul30, |
| 09:34.56 | Sargun | You're alive? |
| 09:34.56 | Lakshmi | lets go to egypt! |
| 09:35.07 | Lakshmi | wanna see a dead persons face? |
| 09:35.13 | Lakshmi | wouldnt that be soo cool!? |
| 09:37.07 | Sargun | o.O |
| 09:37.08 | Sargun | why |
| 09:37.18 | Sargun | Its a desert. |
| 09:37.45 | Lakshmi | but thers king tut |
| 09:38.03 | Lakshmi | i have to stalk room 606 |
| 09:38.04 | Lakshmi | now |
| 09:38.05 | Lakshmi | GREAT |
| 09:38.16 | Lakshmi | like i already didnt have things to do |
| 09:38.21 | Lakshmi | oh and i have to hide |
| 09:38.28 | Sargun | o.O |
| 09:38.29 | Sargun | why? |
| 09:38.30 | Sargun | huh |
| 09:38.33 | Lakshmi | assassins |
| 09:38.52 | Lakshmi | the chick i have to kill is in room 606 |
| 09:38.58 | Lakshmi | im assuming someone got a picture of me |
| 09:39.06 | Lakshmi | and therefore someone is stalking my room |
| 09:39.14 | Lakshmi | therefore i have to hide for 7 days |
| 09:40.17 | Sargun | ah. |
| 09:40.19 | Sargun | neat. |
| 09:40.27 | Sargun | Well. |
| 09:40.32 | Sargun | Who lives in 606? |
| 09:40.36 | Sargun | Find out everything about them |
| 09:40.39 | Sargun | their daily routine |
| 09:40.41 | Lakshmi | ugly chick |
| 09:40.42 | Sargun | Would be good. |
| 09:40.47 | Lakshmi | why? |
| 09:40.52 | Lakshmi | there are 8 ppl that live in 606 |
| 09:40.57 | Sargun | you know when they go out in the morning |
| 09:41.03 | Sargun | allow one of them to let you in? |
| 09:41.07 | Lakshmi | yeah but thats hard |
| 09:41.09 | Sargun | Do you know her name? |
| 09:41.19 | Lakshmi | idk maybe one of my frirends lives up there |
| 09:41.22 | Sargun | Do you know her name? |
| 09:41.40 | Lakshmi | Kathleen Coburn |
| 09:41.45 | Lakshmi | very ugly chick |
| 09:42.46 | Lakshmi | are u googleing her or something? |
| 09:43.31 | Sargun | hey I'm going to sleep lukshu |
| 09:43.36 | Sargun | Can I? |
| 09:44.07 | Lakshmi | yeah |
| 09:44.09 | Lakshmi | go for it |
| 09:44.13 | Lakshmi | gnite |
| 09:44.17 | Lakshmi | love you |
| 09:50.39 | Lakshmi | she has a FB :) |
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| 13:13.28 | brac | dang i forgot to turn on batching lets say I was at MCRD |
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| 14:52.13 | ^Migs^ | http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/pumpkinkiller.jpg |
| 14:54.50 | ^Migs^ | http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/barf.jpg |
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| 14:57.19 | brac | that's true |
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| 15:34.46 | ^Migs^ | how do I see the specs of my system from the command line? |
| 15:35.00 | ^Migs^ | RHEL |
| 15:35.26 | ^Migs^ | memory, RAM, processor... |
| 15:40.58 | findlay | free -m ; cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:41.08 | maquis | urgh... |
| 15:41.11 | findlay | fdisk -l |
| 15:41.23 | findlay | lshw |
| 15:42.51 | herlo | dmidecode |
| 15:42.59 | herlo | that'll give you most of what you want |
| 15:43.16 | herlo | ^Migs^: watch out though, it dumps tons of useless info too |
| 15:43.52 | herlo | ^Migs^: also, there's some hal- commands, but I can't remember them exactly, off-hand |
| 15:45.32 | findlay | ~onjoin Sargun Sargun: My World Is Rocky! Adrienne!!! |
| 15:45.33 | ibot | findlay: ok |
| 15:45.53 | herlo | ~lart findlay |
| 15:45.53 | ibot | beats findlay senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 15:47.07 | findlay | herlo: it looks like that gives you about the same info as lshw |
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| 15:48.03 | findlay | s/that/dmidecode/ |
| 15:48.12 | herlo | findlay: which one? |
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| 15:48.40 | findlay | herlo: dmidecode == lshw? |
| 15:48.57 | herlo | findlay: oh, try the hal commands, they're prettier |
| 15:56.26 | jsmith | herlo: It's about time you upgraded to werewolf |
| 15:56.42 | herlo | jsmith: yeah, like a week early? |
| 15:56.51 | herlo | well, 5 days |
| 15:56.54 | jsmith | herlo: I've been running rawhide ;-) |
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| 15:57.03 | herlo | jsmith: you have? |
| 15:57.33 | jsmith | herlo: Of course! What else would a good netizen do to help out? |
| 15:57.44 | herlo | jsmith: blog? |
| 15:57.55 | herlo | jsmith: throw release parties? |
| 15:59.24 | maquis | what's rawhide? |
| 16:01.47 | ^Migs^ | thanks, findlay |
| 16:03.06 | elg | there's something both satisfying and infuriating about going into a project channel, asking a question, being berated for not reading the docs, proving you have read the docs and done your due diligence, and being faced with endless silence |
| 16:03.08 | elg | not even an apology |
| 16:03.17 | elg | i just hope he's investigating it |
| 16:03.30 | Jayce^ | what this time elg? |
| 16:03.41 | elg | lighttpd X-Sendfile support |
| 16:03.58 | elg | and I'm already ticked that mongrel doesn't see fit to bother supporting it |
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| 16:04.58 | bonez31 | any CUPS gurus here? my printing is all hozed....works, but it doesn't |
| 16:05.19 | maquis | bonez31: what's the problem? |
| 16:06.16 | bonez31 | bux=but ? |
| 16:06.24 | maquis | yup |
| 16:06.28 | bonez31 | x and t aren't close but on same hand |
| 16:06.29 | bonez31 | ok |
| 16:08.02 | maquis | bonez31: i don't attempt to explain my typing |
| 16:08.23 | maquis | it's irrational |
| 16:08.24 | maquis | :) |
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| 16:15.25 | maquis | -chat |
| 16:15.27 | brac | I'm gonna recompile Asterisk and SER, which in this channel work-related, because I wanted to route them |
| 16:16.54 | maquis | -chat |
| 16:16.55 | brac | I like her more. |
| 16:17.05 | goozbach | maquis: rawhide is the fedora release name |
| 16:17.06 | maquis | brac: that's ok... i'm married |
| 16:17.23 | goozbach | like the perpetual debian testing, it's a moving target |
| 16:17.34 | maquis | ah |
| 16:17.35 | goozbach | I've been running rawhide for three weeks now |
| 16:19.06 | maquis | curse january 1, 1970 |
| 16:19.13 | maquis | ~curse january 1, 1970 |
| 16:19.14 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, january 1, 1970 ! |
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| 17:11.49 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/study_finds_working_at_work |
| 17:22.48 | moriancumer | Does anyone know of a way to open quattro pro files in Linux? |
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| 17:31.12 | klys | I'm just finding out there isn't a way |
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| 17:33.35 | ^Migs^ | omg |
| 17:33.38 | ^Migs^ | people still use quattro pro? |
| 17:34.02 | moriancumer | yep, My wife's boss. |
| 17:34.29 | ^Migs^ | why? |
| 17:34.56 | moriancumer | Don't have a clue. |
| 17:35.18 | klys | http://www.cohort.com/DownloadCoStatPart2.html |
| 17:35.21 | brac | [Download the Free Trial Version of CoStat 6.3] |
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| 17:43.44 | redbeard2 | i'm looking for a good set of mini security screwdrivers. can anyone recommend any? |
| 17:44.46 | Tene | Security screwdrivers? |
| 17:46.31 | redbeard2 | Tene: yeah... they have non-standard blades. things like a star, or two dots. |
| 17:46.35 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 17:47.01 | redbeard2 | my cell phone is acting funny, and i think there's a mechanical problem that i might be able to fix, if i can find a small enough star blade |
| 17:47.34 | neybar | have you tried a heavy rock yet redbeard2? |
| 17:47.55 | redbeard2 | ~rock neybar |
| 17:49.54 | redbeard2 | ~stone neybar |
| 17:49.55 | ibot | ACTION hurls a boulder completely crushing neybar |
| 17:50.13 | redbeard2 | hey, that did help! |
| 17:50.34 | neybar | ~fish redbeard2 |
| 17:50.35 | ibot | ACTION slaps redbeard2 around with a large trout |
| 17:50.55 | neybar | you can keep the trout if you want |
| 17:51.04 | redbeard2 | ~cook trout |
| 17:51.04 | ibot | ACTION throws trout in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks trout on 350 for an hour |
| 17:51.11 | Jayce^ | ~paper redbeard2's rock |
| 17:51.15 | redbeard2 | oog. overcooked fish. |
| 17:51.25 | Jayce^ | figures, with you doing it |
| 17:51.40 | Jayce^ | is a wheep a happy cry? |
| 17:51.47 | Jayce^ | marshmellow |
| 17:52.00 | redbeard2 | mmm, peeps |
| 17:52.04 | redbeard2 | just like in canada |
| 17:52.10 | Jayce^ | did you ever catch that movie? |
| 17:52.13 | neybar | peeps are an abomination |
| 17:53.02 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: not possible. peeps really are just that disgusting. |
| 17:53.09 | neybar | isn't that like challenging him to make you a dish with mushrooms that you will like? |
| 17:53.52 | RyanE | Peeps "in season" are ok. Eating them at times other than Easter is truly an abomination. |
| 17:55.08 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, I agree, but it's the challenge |
| 17:55.15 | Jayce^ | neybar, nah, that's possible.. |
| 17:55.24 | Jayce^ | now lutefisk, that would be truly impossible |
| 17:55.48 | redbeard2 | i guess you could melt down the peeps and mix them with a puffed rice cereal. |
| 17:55.54 | Jayce^ | see |
| 17:55.55 | Jayce^ | easy |
| 17:56.32 | redbeard2 | ...and then club jayce with it. wouldn't do much for the flavor, but _I_ would feel better |
| 17:56.38 | RyanE | and if you do it in the microwave, you get to see the peeps explode! |
| 17:57.21 | neybar | lol |
| 17:57.25 | redbeard2 | RyanE: again, as much fun as it would be, it wouldn't really do anything for the flavor |
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| 18:06.43 | RyanE | redbeard2: with you, it's *always* about the flavor, isn't it? :) |
| 18:07.36 | redbeard2 | RyanE: well... yeah... |
| 18:16.48 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 18:17.44 | maquis | ~cheer google-phone |
| 18:17.45 | ibot | ACTION cheers google-phone on |
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| 18:24.58 | herlo | quick, name 4 people you'd like to see at UTOSC 2008 |
| 18:30.17 | neybar | redbeard2, Jayce^, RyanE and maquis |
| 18:30.28 | RyanE | heh. I think he meant as *presenters*. |
| 18:30.37 | elg | alton brown |
| 18:30.39 | RyanE | I'd love to see me there as an *attendee*... |
| 18:30.41 | neybar | I think he should be more specific |
| 18:31.01 | neybar | :) |
| 18:31.02 | RyanE | me, myself, I and elg |
| 18:31.11 | neybar | I second elg |
| 18:31.28 | RyanE | gotta pull in those out-of-towners |
| 18:31.32 | neybar | maybe a little Harleypig |
| 18:31.40 | RyanE | oh yeah |
| 18:31.42 | redbeard2 | herlo: if alton brown's not available, we should get somebody like wylie dufresne. he's a chef that any geek can relate to. |
| 18:31.58 | herlo | alton brown would be awesome |
| 18:32.13 | neybar | we could pull in mythbusters |
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| 18:49.40 | brac | get back saturday around midnight as well. |
| 18:50.23 | herlo | neybar: not a bad idea, vote for it: http://utosf.org |
| 18:55.34 | Jayce^ | neybar, there is no such thing as a little harleypig |
| 18:56.18 | neybar | tu-tu |
| 18:56.35 | Jayce^ | ouch |
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| 20:05.25 | dataw0lf | herlo: gj with the Guido inclusion. |
| 20:22.48 | unum | if I assign a function to an event handler using javascript, I get a variable called "this" when the function gets called |
| 20:22.50 | herlo | dataw0lf: cool |
| 20:23.06 | unum | do a I get that varialbe if I assign the function in html |
| 20:24.26 | unum | oops wrong channel |
| 20:24.52 | unum | though if anyone knows the answer I'd appreciate it |
| 20:33.18 | sontek | unum: the this object isn't javascript, its the ajax library you are building |
| 20:33.27 | sontek | s/building/using/ |
| 20:35.31 | unum | sontek: I'm not using an ajax library |
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| 20:41.58 | ^Migs^ | why not? |
| 20:43.33 | sontek | unum: can you give me a small code example of what you are doing? |
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| 20:44.15 | Lakshmi | thanks ibot |
| 20:44.21 | Lakshmi | hey everyone |
| 20:45.01 | ^Migs^ | who? me? |
| 20:47.57 | sontek | unum: but are you basicly trying to do something like <a href="#" onclick="function()" /> ? |
| 20:48.06 | unum | sontek: ya |
| 20:48.25 | unum | when I define function will I have access to the "this" variable |
| 20:48.31 | sontek | unum: it wont give you this |
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| 20:49.18 | unum | is the only way to get this is to set the event handler in javascript? |
| 20:49.43 | sontek | yeah |
| 20:50.02 | sontek | because with the example I said above its passing a reference of the function, rather than the whole object |
| 20:50.06 | sontek | or element |
| 20:50.46 | sontek | unum: but you can do onclick="function(this)" |
| 20:50.56 | sontek | and then access this since you passed it in |
| 20:52.27 | unum | sontek: thanks, that's what I was wondering |
| 20:52.40 | unum | I guess I should have just asked if that would work |
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| 21:28.54 | vontrapp | this isn't an ajax library thing, it's actual javascript |
| 21:29.16 | vontrapp | s/this/'this'/ |
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| 21:44.33 | vontrapp | mmmm, homemade icecream |
| 21:45.01 | vontrapp | i love the fatty residue it leaves in my mouth |
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| 21:52.02 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, I was on Western Governor's University web site, and they have this annoying little Javascript that pops open a chat window whenever their live rep wants so they can answer questions to draw you into the school. |
| 21:52.27 | ^Migs^ | I asked them if the Java chat applet was produced in-house or if they bought it off a vendor, and if so, which vendor. She promptly closed the window. |
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| 22:04.20 | beandog | ^Migs^, lol thats great |
| 22:10.15 | ^Migs^ | it sucks. I really wanted to know. That could be useful. The only other free software I've found like that is http://www.helpcenterlive.com |
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| 22:45.06 | Sargun | If I could shoot my phone company |
| 22:45.14 | Sargun | They'd be lead laden |
| 22:45.31 | unum | Sargun: you're mobile phone company? |
| 22:45.36 | Sargun | That too |
| 22:45.47 | Sargun | AT&T |
| 22:45.49 | Sargun | SBC |
| 22:45.52 | Sargun | PacBell |
| 22:45.54 | Sargun | Ma'Bell |
| 22:45.58 | Sargun | SprintPCS |
| 22:46.07 | Sargun | All of 'em |
| 22:47.08 | sontek | except for T-Mobile =) |
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| 22:54.28 | albino | someone around here told me about a voip isp in the utah county area that was using asterisk for everything, anyone know the name/website? |
| 22:55.05 | herlo | albino: probably iProvo and veracity |
| 22:55.12 | herlo | veracity being the isp |
| 22:55.55 | unum | we're using veracity for our voip stuff |
| 22:56.08 | unum | you can send them an iax trunk with is awesome |
| 22:56.09 | albino | no, it was a bunch of local guys who started a small company |
| 22:56.22 | herlo | airswitch? |
| 22:56.28 | albino | unum: for non-phone geeks, what does that mean? |
| 22:56.43 | albino | Isn't airswitch the old AF company doing broadband in AF? |
| 22:57.07 | herlo | albino: nope, their the company that's based in Springville |
| 22:57.34 | herlo | later bought by some texas firm, but they still have dark fiber in Springville and even a few homes still run on it in fact... |
| 22:59.02 | albino | hmm |
| 22:59.10 | albino | I still think I'm looking for something else |
| 22:59.19 | herlo | albino: yeah, sounds like it |
| 22:59.21 | albino | I thought they were associated with the uvsc-lug |
| 22:59.30 | unum | albino: it's a way of sending voip calls that reduces network over head |
| 23:00.23 | unum | jsmith isn't in here to take the credit |
| 23:01.13 | Kemotaha | airswitch is runnign AF fiber now too |
| 23:02.02 | albino | AF fiber? Did they upgrade their network? Last time I looked it was Cat-5e |
| 23:02.44 | Kemotaha | Most of it is cat5e, They start laying fiber shortly after they bought out airswitch or however it worked |
| 23:03.36 | albino | I sure wish lehi had a network story, utopia or something |
| 23:03.45 | RyanE | Ditto Highland |
| 23:04.12 | albino | the other wish is that I was rich enough to just start laying the fiber myself |
| 23:04.39 | Tene | ~fiber albino |
| 23:04.48 | herlo | albino: yeah, I'm currently calling HOA's to places I want to live. One guy told me that Utopia was a joke... |
| 23:05.09 | Tene | ibot: fiber $target is <action> stuffs $target with fiber. |
| 23:05.10 | ibot | okay, Tene |
| 23:05.13 | Tene | ~fiber albino |
| 23:05.13 | ibot | ACTION stuffs albino with fiber. |
| 23:05.46 | herlo | they wouldn't come into their complex because it was filled with ponds and rivers. They'd have to tear apart roads and ponds and stuff. Not sure how true that is, but it seems it'll be hard to get into there... |
| 23:06.12 | albino | my only option is comcast |
| 23:06.41 | albino | and I seriously think broadband should be $20 a month for a good fast connection, if they can have it in south korea why can't we have it in Utah? |
| 23:07.12 | herlo | albino: because we're stupid... |
| 23:07.25 | albino | herlo: you mean because our goverment rocks? |
| 23:08.12 | herlo | albino: exactly |
| 23:08.31 | herlo | albino: Utah actually is *very* progressive compared to most states in the Union |
| 23:08.33 | herlo | which is sad |
| 23:08.52 | albino | one of the guys I work with pinged all the possible Lehi city council reps up for election, everyone of them said they were not in favor of utopia |
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| 23:09.13 | herlo | we should be *leading* the bandwidth revolution, but because we're a capitalist country, we have to suck every penny out of the consumers before we can move forward... |
| 23:09.15 | albino | so even if it were up for vote again sounds like it would get smacked down |
| 23:09.31 | herlo | albino: I just don't get that |
| 23:10.13 | albino | well I actually understand the opposite sides argument, I'm just not sure I agree with it |
| 23:10.34 | albino | It's the old people, they vote in droves and they have no care in the world for broadband |
| 23:10.40 | herlo | and what is that? |
| 23:10.45 | herlo | albino: that's it? |
| 23:10.55 | albino | where old is like > than 55 |
| 23:11.10 | albino | herlo: well yeah, they speak the loudest to their councilmen |
| 23:11.14 | herlo | yeah, my dad would beg to differ. If he could get UTOPIA he would |
| 23:11.17 | herlo | he's 58 this year |
| 23:11.21 | albino | herlo: and they say "Waaa, we don't want to pay for something we don't use" |
| 23:11.22 | herlo | probably closer to 65 |
| 23:11.41 | herlo | albino: its the 'good ole boys' club if you ask me |
| 23:11.42 | albino | herlo: I bet he is in the minority compared to the rest of the citizens in that age group |
| 23:12.06 | herlo | albino: could be, but my grandparents use the net too... |
| 23:12.15 | herlo | though they would probably be fine with dial-up |
| 23:12.23 | albino | I wonder if we could create a community full of tech elites |
| 23:12.42 | herlo | albino: its called silicon valley |
| 23:12.44 | herlo | :) |
| 23:12.50 | albino | an HOA where the opening question is gives us the code to do Hello World in your favorite language |
| 23:13.04 | herlo | albino: nice |
| 23:13.20 | herlo | printf("hello, world"); |
| 23:13.21 | albino | or you must provide a blog url to full out an application |
| 23:13.26 | herlo | albino: nice |
| 23:14.46 | thaddeusq | albino: does bash count as a language? |
| 23:14.56 | albino | silicon vallye what a rip off, we've got silicon village, fast internet, internet controlled laundry rooms, internet controled hottubs... |
| 23:15.01 | Kemotaha | echo "hello workd." |
| 23:15.09 | albino | thaddeusq: It does, but if you pikc it as your favorite we don't accept you into the village |
| 23:15.21 | albino | s/pikc/pick |
| 23:15.40 | Kemotaha | internet controlled hottubs? So we can scald herlo when ever we want to? |
| 23:16.13 | Sargun | Silicon Valley kicks ass. |
| 23:16.14 | albino | I can think of multiple reasons to want that :) |
| 23:16.16 | Sargun | Just our internet sucks |
| 23:16.22 | Sargun | because we have crappy phone companies |
| 23:16.36 | herlo | Kemotaha: that's mean! |
| 23:16.40 | albino | well what we really have is big telcos who want to stay BIG |
| 23:16.41 | Sargun | Lakshmi, |
| 23:16.45 | unum | albino: I tried to send you a text message the other day |
| 23:16.56 | albino | unum: I got it, re peguin suit, awesome! |
| 23:16.59 | albino | unum: did you wear it? |
| 23:17.06 | unum | albino: no I went as a pirate |
| 23:17.09 | herlo | albino: true |
| 23:17.12 | Kemotaha | herlo: I didn't know any other uses for an internet controlled hottub? unless it is heated by flame wars on the interent |
| 23:17.17 | albino | unum: dammit unum, it's Tux man, Tux! |
| 23:17.18 | Lakshmi | hi sargun |
| 23:17.24 | herlo | Kemotaha: yeah, that's the ticket |
| 23:17.25 | Sargun | hi Lakshmi |
| 23:17.29 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 23:17.30 | herlo | Kemotaha: but I didn't make up the idea |
| 23:17.31 | Lakshmi | aim? |
| 23:17.39 | herlo | Kemotaha: don't shoot (or rather, burn) me |
| 23:17.39 | albino | Kemotaha: chilling the tub so the babes cuddle up with you... |
| 23:17.40 | unum | I was afraid you had changed your number, and I had text messaged some random stranger about a penguin suit |
| 23:17.48 | Kemotaha | so if the hottub gets cold, post emacs rules on a randome mailing list? |
| 23:17.49 | unum | it was such that you could see your face |
| 23:18.16 | albino | What about prompting the tub to heat up 5 minutes before heading over? |
| 23:18.24 | albino | Or turning on the bubbles in advance |
| 23:18.39 | Kemotaha | albino: nah that is too pratical, the internet doesn't think like that |
| 23:18.41 | albino | Or getting the lighting right to set the mood...? |
| 23:18.52 | albino | Kemotaha: web controlled tub dude, you can have it |
| 23:19.42 | albino | okay, sorry for dreaming up stupid stuff, I'll go back to writing java code now |
| 23:21.22 | Kemotaha | nah, I like the dream just sad that I can't have it :( |
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| 23:30.35 | levi | So, what VNC server should I run on Windows? |
| 23:31.29 | Sargun | tightvncd |
| 23:32.47 | Lakshmi | tacos or burritos ? |
| 23:34.31 | unum | tacos |
| 23:34.38 | herlo | burritos |
| 23:34.47 | unum | darn you herlo always being contrary |
| 23:34.49 | herlo | Lakshmi: you should put up a poll about it |
| 23:34.53 | herlo | unum: true |
| 23:35.56 | Lakshmi | i should |
| 23:36.00 | Lakshmi | sargun what do u say? |
| 23:36.14 | sontek | If its Cafe Rio, burrito, if its the little stands next to sears, tacos |
| 23:36.59 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 23:37.05 | Sargun | Who do you guys know of that makes cheap, decent servers? |
| 23:37.19 | unum | supermicro |
| 23:38.33 | sontek | Sargun: Frys the day after Thanksgiving |
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| 23:38.53 | Sargun | haha |
| 23:39.01 | Sargun | sontek, How does thine know of fry's |
| 23:39.09 | Sargun | I believed you were from the desert named |
| 23:39.19 | Sargun | Utah! |
| 23:39.21 | sontek | Sargun: I lived in L.A for 2 years |
| 23:39.26 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 23:39.30 | sontek | Sargun: and I'm not originally from UT =) |
| 23:39.49 | Sargun | Ah |
| 23:40.01 | herlo | sontek: we never would've guessed :) |
| 23:40.06 | Lakshmi | sargun wild and out is a funny show |
| 23:40.33 | Sargun | Wild and out? |
| 23:40.37 | Lakshmi | its a show |
| 23:41.08 | Lakshmi | btw sargun aim please |
| 23:41.10 | Lakshmi | or pm me |
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| 23:42.44 | sontek | herlo: he obviously didn't guess! |
| 23:43.49 | klys | (burritos) |
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| 23:47.50 | klys | anyone here have a super tip on being cheap? |
| 23:50.49 | sontek | klys: don't spend money, thats my super tip! |
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