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| 00:28.07 | Supaplex | -chat spooky |
| 00:28.08 | brac | spooky did |
| 00:28.16 | Supaplex | did not! |
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| 00:40.12 | Sargun | hello |
| 00:40.28 | Sargun | haha |
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| 00:42.35 | Sargun | Google |
| 00:42.48 | brac | [NANPA : North American Numbering Plan Administration] |
| 00:43.04 | nick125 | lol |
| 00:43.13 | Sargun | Little cute bugs. |
| 00:43.26 | nick125 | boo for frozen python scripts, boo. |
| 00:44.04 | Sargun | haha |
| 00:44.52 | nick125 | Sargun: Oh, any ideas on the question I SMSed you? |
| 00:45.16 | Sargun | oh |
| 00:45.25 | nick125 | ... |
| 00:45.27 | Sargun | stick them with a knife, and pin them against the wall. |
| 00:45.40 | nick125 | /c/users/proj/cx_Freeze-3.0.3/FreezePython --target-dir dist --base-binary=`cygpath -w \`realpath data/win32/lib/Win32GUI.exe\`` --include-modules \ |
| 00:45.44 | nick125 | ... |
| 00:46.12 | nick125 | bad retarded software, bad. |
| 00:46.13 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 00:46.35 | Supaplex | silly snakes |
| 00:46.53 | nick125 | No, bad developer. |
| 00:47.00 | nick125 | freezing software is bad. |
| 00:47.23 | Supaplex | so we're in agreement |
| 00:47.44 | Supaplex | a little to the left |
| 00:47.50 | Supaplex | awwwe thanks. |
| 00:48.35 | nick125 | Sargun: So I heard Qwest is going to offer 20mbit FTTN within the next two years and Albuquerque is near the top of the list to get it (they are already laying fiber down the street) |
| 00:49.28 | Sargun | uh |
| 00:49.32 | Sargun | doubt it |
| 00:50.01 | nick125 | The CEO of Qwest confirmed it, and I've seen Qwest laying fiber (or marking for fiber, least) down the street. |
| 00:53.51 | Sargun | Qwest is retarded though |
| 00:54.33 | nick125 | They better allow resellers on the FTTN. If not, |
| 00:54.41 | nick125 | I'll be camming up and yelling every day. |
| 00:54.51 | nick125 | *calling |
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| 00:59.09 | nick125 | This was a bit cheaper than the OCN. |
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| 01:01.17 | nick125 | FTTP would be better than FTTN, but something is better than nothing. |
| 01:01.38 | nick125 | They are also talking about using channel bonding too |
| 01:02.01 | sargun | uh |
| 01:04.27 | levi | Yo. |
| 01:05.15 | SaRgUn | heya levi |
| 01:06.41 | levi | Wassup? |
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| 01:07.46 | SaRgUn | Not too much, you? |
| 01:08.22 | Lakshmi | hello everyone. |
| 01:08.41 | levi | In class, and hoping my wife is doing okay. |
| 01:09.17 | SaRgUn | Oh, what happened |
| 01:09.19 | SaRgUn | hi Lakshmi |
| 01:09.53 | Lakshmi | sup SaRgUn ? |
| 01:13.13 | levi | She has a kidney stone. |
| 01:17.17 | Lakshmi | aw ouch im sory |
| 01:17.31 | Lakshmi | how are they treating it? |
| 01:18.09 | levi | Painkillers, water, and time. |
| 01:19.35 | Lakshmi | ah cool cool. |
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| 01:22.31 | xbmodder_ | I'm going to take the little kids this year, and make them into candy, and give the candy into other little kids |
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| 01:49.42 | mrpull-lt | levi: are you a fan of John Edward (the crossing over guy)? |
| 01:50.16 | mrpull-lt | levi: I'm guessing NO... so knowing how you love Glen Beck, i'm sure you are dismayed that you are missing an hour long glen beck tv with Edward on... |
| 01:50.26 | mrpull-lt | what a doofus edward is |
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| 01:50.54 | levi | mrpull-lt: Heh. Is Glen making Edward look bad? Because I could get behind that. |
| 01:51.16 | mrpull-lt | he's not. he's playing along. |
| 01:51.48 | mrpull-lt | i swear i could do what Edward does |
| 01:52.01 | mrpull-lt | uuummm... is there someone in your family that is named John? |
| 01:52.10 | mrpull-lt | was he named after an ancestor? |
| 01:52.18 | mrpull-lt | WAS THAT ANCESTOR A MAN? |
| 01:52.27 | mrpull-lt | he is speaking to me |
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| 01:59.57 | brac | I really wanted the customizability |
| 02:00.36 | mrpull-lt | -chat cold reading |
| 02:00.37 | brac | cold reading |
| 02:01.11 | mrpull-lt | brac: very insightful |
| 02:03.45 | mrpull-lt | is there an award for dumbest website bugs ever? |
| 02:03.46 | mrpull-lt | http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20071026_N_C__woman_admits_400G_scam_of_QVC.html |
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| 02:04.44 | Sargun | ibot, I know. |
| 02:04.44 | ibot | You know.? |
| 02:05.11 | Sargun | I do, yes. |
| 02:08.45 | Lakshmi | sargun hello. |
| 02:08.51 | Lakshmi | aim, please. |
| 02:09.02 | Lakshmi | or PM me. |
| 02:11.29 | elg | -figlet TRICK OR TREAT |
| 02:11.30 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.30 | brac | |_ _|| _ \ |_ _|/ ___|| |/ / / _ \ | _ \ |
| 02:11.30 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.30 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:17.41 | Sargun | ... |
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| 02:22.54 | levi | So, I get to delve into the world of C#, MS SQL Server, and Visual Studio. |
| 02:23.06 | levi | Wish me luck. |
| 02:24.13 | dataw0lf|h | C# and Visual Studio aren't too bad. |
| 02:25.05 | mrpull-lt | aren't those three of the better MS products? |
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| 02:26.07 | Lakshmi | sargun sargun sargun |
| 02:26.38 | dataw0lf|h | mrpull-lt: never really used MSSQL, but I've heard mixed reviews. |
| 02:26.49 | dataw0lf|h | But, I'm sure in the relative sense. |
| 02:27.07 | mrpull-lt | yay... the Delta Medallion Gods have smiled upon me for the 6th consecutive flight |
| 02:27.19 | mrpull-lt | clustering MS-SQL is fantastic |
| 02:27.58 | dataw0lf|h | no kidding? |
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| 02:28.21 | mrpull-lt | i (and later people i manage) have had 100% uptime -- including patching -- of an MS SQL box for 4 consecutive years |
| 02:28.52 | dataw0lf|h | That's pretty impressive, for any system. |
| 02:29.03 | dataw0lf|h | what type of data? |
| 02:29.18 | mrpull-lt | backend for a cold fusion based website |
| 02:29.51 | dataw0lf|h | Ah. How much traffic? How much data? |
| 02:30.15 | mrpull-lt | it is a two node cluster - two HP DL580's with an MSA (shared scsi version) |
| 02:30.27 | mrpull-lt | peak is 75 Mbps |
| 02:30.51 | mrpull-lt | i dont know have many hits... i'm not involved with that side |
| 02:31.40 | dataw0lf|h | Hm. I'll have to check out MS-SQL on Vista or something. If I get a new laptop... (fried mine) |
| 02:31.58 | mrpull-lt | the sites that it hosts are on digg/slashdot/other dozens of times per year... we've had good uptime thanks to a little bit of redundancy of webheads and good load balancers |
| 02:32.37 | dataw0lf|h | Got em colo'ed or... ? |
| 02:33.12 | mrpull-lt | yes |
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| 02:42.32 | brac | i can manage Java memory without leaking, why can't you write tests that way... |
| 02:56.42 | nick125 | Sargun: your phone sucks. |
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| 02:56.58 | Sargun | nick125, that was your end |
| 02:57.01 | nick125 | it was? |
| 02:57.14 | nick125 | I didn't get a call drop tone |
| 02:57.28 | elg | wait a sec... |
| 02:57.44 | elg | you guys can't talk to eachother on the phone. it's one of the rules of irc |
| 02:58.20 | elg | all their sysadmins must be out trick or treating |
| 02:58.23 | elg | or maybe this is the trick |
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| 03:03.30 | Lakshmi | heh |
| 03:10.27 | levi | So, I have to figure out to what degree I can use C# and MS SQL with the 'express' editions. |
| 03:10.53 | levi | I want to write a simple GUI frontend for a database. |
| 03:14.48 | mrpull-lt | no full free/cheap student version available? |
| 03:16.12 | levi | I could get one, but it would require going into school at the right time. |
| 03:16.28 | mrpull-lt | i am certain that you can use C# express and SQL express to do simple db-backed apps |
| 03:16.51 | mrpull-lt | there are free windows C# IDE's if you are seeking an alternative |
| 03:17.35 | mrpull-lt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SharpDevelop |
| 03:23.59 | levi | Nah, C# express should work fine. I might have SharpDevelop installed, but I'm sure the rest of the group members will be using Visual Studio. |
| 03:27.03 | mrpull-lt | IIRC, some sick SOB implemented a .net iron-lisp variant... i think you need the full version of VS to try it |
| 03:28.14 | levi | Heh. I don't think my group would think too highly of me writing stuff in lisp.. |
| 03:28.47 | levi | I'd probably use F# if I was going to use a functional language with .net |
| 03:29.21 | levi | anyway, thanks for confirming that the express stuff will work for what I need it to. |
| 03:29.33 | levi | I need to get ready for bed... got a really early ride in to work tomorrow. |
| 03:47.07 | mrpull-lt | geeze... it is midnight... i'd better check out too |
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| 04:29.22 | sontek | levi: SharpDevelop supports visual studio solutions |
| 04:30.07 | sontek | levi: but if you are comfortable in linux, you can use monodevelop to open up the solutions |
| 04:30.17 | sontek | levi: or just use vim and compile them with mdtool |
| 04:33.10 | sontek | levi: or ofcourse, same thing in windows, you can modify the files in vim and use the console based msbuild.exe that comes with the .net sdk to build the solution |
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| 05:01.27 | Sargun | neca.org/ |
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| 06:06.30 | Lakshmi | hi sargun |
| 06:11.22 | findlay | hi Lakshmi |
| 06:14.36 | Lakshmi | hi findlay |
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| 06:28.07 | Lakshmi | whats going on with you? |
| 06:31.28 | Supaplex | ~lart yesterday |
| 06:31.29 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up yesterday |
| 06:34.16 | findlay | ibot: what is going on with me? |
| 06:34.17 | ibot | ACTION is going on with me to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
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| 06:40.09 | Supaplex | !wizardfire peer |
| 06:40.10 | UtahBot | Supaplex: Error: "wizardfire" is not a valid command. |
| 06:40.15 | Supaplex | ~wizardfire peer |
| 06:40.16 | ibot | ACTION sends a bolt of wizard fire from a wizard staff at an unsuspecting peer |
| 06:40.28 | Supaplex | buhuhaha. connection reset that. :P |
| 07:36.16 | bucky | http://www.cavemancrib.com/ |
| 07:38.01 | Supaplex | bleh. flash |
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| 13:18.17 | elg | -lart redbeard2 |
| 13:18.28 | elg | ~lart redbeard2 eh |
| 13:18.28 | ibot | keeps mailing redbeard2 eh free America Online CDs until he drowns |
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| 13:25.51 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 14:08.30 | brac | If you leave those? |
| 14:09.42 | elg | if you leave, don't look back. please don't take my heart away |
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| 14:16.34 | levi | I'm glad all the silly IRC 'costumes' are gone. |
| 14:16.42 | moriancumer | who was excited about the OpenBSD release, yesterday? |
| 14:17.01 | levi | Who gets excited about a 3rd rate unix distribution? |
| 14:18.00 | levi | http://www.erlang.se/workshop/2007/ |
| 14:18.02 | brac | [ACM SIGPLAN Erlang Workshop 2007, Freiburg, |
| 14:18.02 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.39 | moriancumer | I don't know. I just remember some mentioning they were excited about the new release. I wanted to asked what it was about OpenBSD they were attracted to. |
| 14:20.07 | moriancumer | s/some/someone/ |
| 14:20.40 | levi | Well, OpenBSD fans typically cite its security and portability as reasons for interest. |
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| 14:25.26 | moriancumer | I was wondering if it was useful as desktop, since that's all I'm really into. |
| 14:26.04 | moriancumer | I'll try their irc |
| 14:26.15 | levi | Depends on your tolerance for compiling stuff, I imagine. You should just stick with your favorite Linux distribution, though. |
| 14:30.38 | pineapplehead | oh yeah I should take off my costume |
| 14:30.56 | sjansen | wait... |
| 14:31.01 | sjansen | that's not right... |
| 14:31.19 | teme | not right again... |
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| 14:31.41 | fozzmo | this doesn't seem right either |
| 14:32.03 | ^jayce | is this it? |
| 14:32.08 | ^jayce | nope... |
| 14:32.34 | broc | I ar a bot! |
| 14:33.12 | fozzmoo | ~lart broc |
| 14:33.12 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps broc |
| 14:35.02 | encmabb | hello everybody! |
| 14:35.31 | redbeard73 | yummy cookies!!! |
| 14:36.09 | Sargum | stupid girls |
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| 14:36.54 | Linuturk | ? |
| 14:37.01 | datawolf|atl | hi hi |
| 14:37.30 | Linuturk | Now I know why you moved |
| 14:37.42 | Linuturk | you wanted a bigger IRC channel to hang out in ;p |
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| 14:38.58 | datawolf|atl | this bores me |
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| 14:40.13 | brac | go figure |
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| 15:03.10 | tensai | brac: no, *you* go figure |
| 15:05.08 | levi | -chat |
| 15:05.09 | brac | i'd just like that... 0% interest credit card, didn't I? |
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| 15:17.29 | levi | Heh, Joe calls hiding side-effects within objects 'the devil itself'. |
| 15:21.07 | levi | He's fun to listen to. |
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| 15:25.54 | fozzmoo | Huuuh... |
| 15:25.55 | levi | And it's gratifying to hear Erik Meijer talk about C# as a tool to get people ready for functional programming languages. |
| 15:25.58 | fozzmoo | http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd33/ginanickl/ |
| 15:25.59 | brac | [ginanickl - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting] |
| 15:26.09 | fozzmoo | Uhm. No. That's not what I meant to post. :) |
| 15:26.14 | fozzmoo | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6817&tag=nl.e539 |
| 15:26.16 | fozzmoo | There we go! |
| 15:26.41 | fozzmoo | Google PC! |
| 15:26.46 | fozzmoo | Running Linux. |
| 15:26.54 | fozzmoo | $199 from your local WallowMart |
| 15:27.09 | levi | Well, not /our/ local WalMarts. |
| 15:27.35 | levi | At least they're not available in-store within 100 miles of my home. |
| 15:27.43 | fozzmoo | Uses Enlightenment. |
| 15:27.46 | fozzmoo | That's fascinating. |
| 15:27.56 | fozzmoo | Tene will be impressed. |
| 15:28.00 | levi | Not enough RAM for full gnome. ;) |
| 15:28.11 | findlay | endarkenment, google-themed |
| 15:28.39 | fozzmoo | levi: Is there EVER enough RAM for full GNOME? :) |
| 15:29.16 | findlay | dialog: "I'm feeling lucky. [ Yes ] [ Entanglement ] [ What does Jobs think of my PC? ]" |
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| 15:31.01 | findlay | -chat feeling lucky |
| 15:31.01 | brac | feeling lucky punk? Well? Are ya?" button. |
| 15:31.44 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 15:32.04 | findlay | I need one of those buttons |
| 15:33.55 | ^Migs^ | I made some of that "Amish Friendship Bread" last night, which involves letting the dough ferment for 10 days. It was pretty good but I Have to wonder if it was more because of all the sugar and cinnamon you have to put in the recipe than the actual fermented part |
| 15:42.42 | elg | that stuff is a joke |
| 15:42.48 | maquis | mmm... bread |
| 15:43.11 | elg | it's got tons of sugar and fat |
| 15:43.26 | elg | too much grease for my taste, but people tend to like it. they like candy bars too :) |
| 15:43.48 | elg | the whole fermentation schedule thing is a joke though, when the start has so little effect on the final product. |
| 15:44.13 | elg | but I haven't bothered to prove it. you should make some without the start and let us know if it's missing a "secret" ingredient |
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| 16:26.06 | tensai | elg: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7071017.stm |
| 16:26.11 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Technology | Leopard upgrade hits Mac firewall] |
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| 16:32.59 | elg | puhlease |
| 16:33.25 | elg | "updated software was set to off and allowed any and every incoming net connection." |
| 16:33.36 | elg | except of course those that didn't have anything to connect to |
| 16:33.56 | elg | linux for years (if not still) didn't have a default firewall. that doesn't make it insecure |
| 16:34.16 | elg | this is phobiaspeak aimed at windows users who equate no firewall with instant death by viruses |
| 16:36.15 | levi | Indeed, though disabling the firewall without telling you isn't exactly model behavior. |
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| 16:58.44 | elg | that much is true |
| 16:58.59 | elg | if it does disable an enabled firewall without telling, that's worth griping |
| 17:01.34 | Jayce^ | I really wish there was a way to query pg, and find out how long a query has left.. |
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| 17:02.21 | elg | i really wish I had a time machine |
| 17:06.22 | elg | -lart my dead watch |
| 17:06.40 | thaddeusq | It's interesting to me the different parts of the article people focus on. I, not being a mac user, focused on the following line: installing the software as an upgrade to a machine on which the firewall was turned on would lead to this protective software being turned off |
| 17:07.36 | elg | i need a watch. i want analog face, timer, chrono, and alarm. ideally, a roatating thingy on the outside |
| 17:07.44 | elg | and not too expensive |
| 17:07.55 | elg | thaddeusq: to be fair, I mostly skimmed |
| 17:08.14 | elg | the first few doses of bile I quit reading and just flipped to the end |
| 17:08.37 | thaddeusq | elg: what's the "rotating thingy on the outside" used for? |
| 17:09.01 | elg | it comes in handy in all kinds of ways |
| 17:09.09 | elg | but they hardly do it anymore |
| 17:09.15 | elg | at least not on the affordable watches |
| 17:09.28 | elg | the general populace was probably too dumb to figure out how to use it |
| 17:09.55 | thaddeusq | yep, that's me, too dumb to figure out how to use it. |
| 17:10.11 | elg | spin it to the current time as a marker so you know how long you've been doing X |
| 17:10.26 | elg | spin it to the moment now + 3 hours so you know when to stop doing X |
| 17:10.42 | elg | use it as a sliderule (may need custom marker job, but some do have slide rule markings) |
| 17:11.32 | elg | oh, the other requirement is no stupid metal band |
| 17:11.38 | elg | cloth or leather, please |
| 17:11.40 | sontek | I have a cellphone, it has all of those |
| 17:12.22 | elg | cellphone != cheep |
| 17:12.22 | elg | and it doesn't fit on my wrist |
| 17:12.22 | elg | unless you have a dick tracy model |
| 17:12.22 | sontek | It fits in your pocket! |
| 17:12.26 | sontek | I've got the 80s model thats as big as my head |
| 17:12.29 | sontek | its called a treo 650 |
| 17:12.32 | thaddeusq | elg: You don't use a cell phone already? |
| 17:12.41 | elg | nope |
| 17:12.51 | elg | i had one for awhile when I worked a full-time sysadmin job |
| 17:13.16 | elg | if i were inflicted with a cell phone, I'd probably just go with a nice simple analog watch |
| 17:14.28 | elg | this one isn't cheap, but it would be cool (except for that drat metal band) http://www.amazon.com/Seiko-Flight-Alarm-Chronograph-SNA411/dp/B00068TJM6/ref=sr_1_2/104-9963078-7090337?ie=UTF8&s=jewelry&qid=1193937226&sr=1-2 |
| 17:18.55 | Tene | a watch-based cellphone that speaks bluetooth would be kind of nice. |
| 17:19.16 | fozzmoo | Tene: You're right. |
| 17:19.31 | Tene | transparent OLED for the screen to display CID info... |
| 17:19.42 | Tene | over nice analog hands |
| 17:19.48 | fozzmoo | I was thinking a bluetooth device that has 3.5mm headphone jack would be cool. |
| 17:19.57 | fozzmoo | A passthrough, actually... |
| 17:20.01 | Tene | I was thinking of building one, actually... |
| 17:20.12 | fozzmoo | So, basically, this bluetooth device would have a built-in microphone... |
| 17:20.22 | fozzmoo | and then it would plug into your digital music player (ipod, whatever) |
| 17:20.30 | fozzmoo | and then you'd plug your headphones into the bluetooth device. |
| 17:20.32 | Tene | I have a few bluetooth a2dp headphones with mic that are abhorrently ugly. |
| 17:20.59 | fozzmoo | Then you could take calls without taking your earbuds out. |
| 17:21.06 | Tene | You can use them for music or phone, if you don't mind looking ugly, but I was thinking of wiring up a 3.5mm jack to them instead. |
| 17:21.16 | fozzmoo | So, same idea? |
| 17:21.20 | Tene | I took them apart, shouldn't be too hard... |
| 17:21.35 | Tene | Just havn't gone out to get a jack yet. |
| 17:21.35 | fozzmoo | Cool. |
| 17:21.46 | fozzmoo | I'm interested! |
| 17:21.52 | Tene | Want my other pair? |
| 17:22.04 | fozzmoo | heh. Sure. |
| 17:22.16 | Tene | I'll take it... where? this weekend. |
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| 17:47.48 | unum | is there a quick way to get the highest key value in a hash |
| 17:50.29 | unum | nm |
| 17:50.34 | unum | did it the long way |
| 17:53.15 | fozzmoo | $highval = pop (sort {$a cmp $b} keys %hash); |
| 17:53.23 | fozzmoo | something like that. |
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| 18:13.26 | tensai | come for the OINK stay for the MOOOO |
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| 18:58.02 | goozbach | If I were to get a watch, it would be the T-Touch from Tag |
| 18:59.16 | goozbach | http://www.tissot.ch/ |
| 18:59.18 | brac | [Tissot] |
| 18:59.27 | goozbach | they start in the $600's tho' |
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| 19:02.28 | tensai | goozbach: http://www.licsundial.net/?p=83 |
| 19:04.16 | bucky | those Cavemen on tv need those |
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| 19:06.32 | brac | I don't doubt they even do as much as I thought $sjansen was out of cinnimon buns! |
| 19:08.45 | goozbach | tensai: those don't have enought technology for me |
| 19:08.59 | goozbach | sjansen was out of cinnimon buns? |
| 19:09.04 | goozbach | oh boy! |
| 19:19.29 | Supaplex | no brac only thought he was out |
| 19:21.21 | bucky | so which AI back end does Brac use? |
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| 19:22.24 | brac | ibot gives paper voting again to see what it looks like mheath in the car =P |
| 19:23.21 | Jayce^ | oooh, new Joss Whedon series |
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| 19:26.54 | Tene | fozzmoo: how should I get you those bt headphones this weekend? |
| 19:27.41 | goozbach | Jayce^: about a hot female, who for all intents and purposes is a "plaything" |
| 19:28.52 | Tene | new joss series? source? |
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| 19:32.40 | Lakshmi | heh hi |
| 19:32.49 | tensai | bucky: it's a very simple algorithm whose name I can't recall at the moment |
| 19:33.01 | unum | good old pen and paper |
| 19:33.13 | unum | take that machines!! |
| 19:34.01 | unum | actually I find it kind ironic I spend all day writing programs to talley peoples political opinions and refuse to use voting machines my self |
| 19:34.06 | tensai | bucky: if brac sees a word sequence, say A B C, then he knows that C follows the pair {A, B} |
| 19:34.18 | bucky | megaHAL ? |
| 19:34.28 | thaddeusq | unum: you do realize that when you vote absentee, most of the time your vote isn't even counted? |
| 19:34.35 | tensai | bucky: then he looks for {B, C} to find any further sequences |
| 19:34.51 | tensai | elg: what's the algorithm brac uses to chat called? |
| 19:35.08 | levi | Markov chains, I believe. |
| 19:35.10 | unum | thaddeusq: yep, but when you vote with the electronic machines it may no be counted either |
| 19:35.11 | Tene | fozzmo1: how should I get you those bt headphones this weekend? |
| 19:35.14 | unum | atleast I know :) |
| 19:35.17 | tensai | levi: yes, that's the one |
| 19:35.19 | bucky | tnx levi |
| 19:35.19 | Tene | tensai: Markov Chain |
| 19:35.30 | thaddeusq | unum: sounds like mostly FUD to me. |
| 19:35.33 | unum | actually I think salt lake counted a lot of the absentee voters first last year |
| 19:35.38 | tensai | I knew it was a Something Something |
| 19:35.47 | Tene | -chat Markov Chain |
| 19:35.48 | brac | Markov Chain is being changed to support OSS is a deterrent to creativity and passion and it only counts if you need to be in touch" |
| 19:35.55 | unum | thaddeusq: why do you trust diebold? |
| 19:36.22 | thaddeusq | unum: Why do I trust hand-counters? |
| 19:36.34 | Tene | unum: because they're a for-profit company, and the best way to make money is to ignore politicians, right? |
| 19:36.41 | unum | thaddeusq: hand counting is done by committee of all parties that want to be involved |
| 19:36.55 | unum | Tene: i assume you are being sarcastic |
| 19:37.05 | thaddeusq | unum: normally not on the municipal level. |
| 19:37.14 | fozzmoo | Tene: I dunno. We'll figure out something. |
| 19:37.31 | unum | thaddeusq: are you saying the same ballot is counted by different people |
| 19:37.53 | unum | or just that in an off year the ballot will not be counted by bipartisan counters |
| 19:38.00 | tensai | thaddeusq: paper ballots have a long history and we know their weaknesses. electronic ballots are new and the manufacturers haven't been open about the systems, so we don't really know if they're safe or not. |
| 19:38.17 | unum | plus the manufacturers are partisian |
| 19:38.22 | elg | tensai: markov chain |
| 19:38.35 | thaddeusq | tensai: so because it's new we assume they are not safe? |
| 19:38.40 | unum | s/manufacturers/manufucture |
| 19:38.53 | Tene | tensai: why does "have no information" lead you to conclude "might be safe" as the default? |
| 19:38.58 | unum | because it's not open I assume it's not safe |
| 19:39.17 | thaddeusq | unum: Does your bank use open software? |
| 19:39.19 | tensai | I said we don't know. I made no assumptions. |
| 19:41.27 | thaddeusq | I personally don't think that Diebold has enough incentive to personally make problematic software. |
| 19:42.19 | thaddeusq | Now, if the US govt mandated that every state use Diebold, I'd have a big problem with it. |
| 19:42.52 | fozzmoo | thaddeusq: Companies need INCENTIVE to make problematic software? :) |
| 19:43.01 | tensai | what's the saying about malice and stupidity? I don't assume that diebold is out to undermine all of western civilization or anything. |
| 19:43.37 | tensai | but like reagan said, trust but verify |
| 19:43.45 | thaddeusq | unum said that my vote might not count if I vote electronically. I personally think that is just FUD. |
| 19:43.48 | fozzmoo | Sorry. Couldn't help it. |
| 19:43.51 | tensai | fozzmoo: knew you'd like that one :) |
| 19:43.58 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 19:44.22 | thaddeusq | tensai: trust but verify, absolutely. That's why the electronic machines keep a printed record. |
| 19:44.36 | tensai | thaddeusq: not so far they haven't |
| 19:45.06 | tensai | there was an election in florida where a substantial number of votes were lost and couldn't be recounted because they used electronic machines |
| 19:45.14 | tensai | it was enough votes that could have changed the election |
| 19:45.46 | thaddeusq | tensai: What do you mean they haven't? I voted electronically last year and the machine I voted on had a paper record. All the machines used in Utah have a paper record printed. |
| 19:46.44 | tensai | http://www.fcw.com/print/10_26/news/83677-1.html |
| 19:48.02 | thaddeusq | Well, we all know Florida's votes don't count anyway. |
| 19:48.08 | unum | thaddeusq: only some of them keep a paper record |
| 19:48.22 | thaddeusq | unum: All the ones in Utah do. |
| 19:48.37 | unum | but they frequently jam so they can't really be counted |
| 19:48.38 | tensai | thaddeusq: because there's been a lot of public outcry. in the 2002 and 2004 elections they were nowhere to be seen. |
| 19:48.50 | unum | or did they fix the jamming |
| 19:49.10 | tensai | we use paper punch ballots here |
| 19:49.14 | unum | and like tensai says the print outs are only their because people us asked for them |
| 19:49.28 | unum | s/asked/demanded |
| 19:49.42 | thaddeusq | unum: So that's a good thing, right? |
| 19:49.57 | tensai | thaddeusq: it's getting better |
| 19:50.10 | unum | thaddeusq: it's an improvement, and if the state would actually count the paper ballots that would really help |
| 19:50.25 | unum | plus if there was a way to better observe the paper ballots... |
| 19:50.48 | tensai | I'm not against electronic votes, but we should take an Amish perspective and only upgrade if the technology actually improves voting, not just because we can |
| 19:51.15 | unum | I fully support electronic voting. I just want it to be done in a way that I can trust |
| 19:51.27 | unum | in machines that aren't made by diebold |
| 19:51.49 | thaddeusq | unum: So if they were made by mickeysoft that would be better? |
| 19:51.52 | thaddeusq | :) |
| 19:52.11 | tensai | as long as they're cute |
| 19:52.24 | thaddeusq | My point is that if there is enough to be gained, ANY voting can be manipulated. |
| 19:53.08 | thaddeusq | Allegations of Vote manipulation is not new. It's been around probably as long as voting has been. |
| 19:53.31 | unum | but there's no reason we should make it easier |
| 19:53.41 | unum | and microsoft does make part of the voting machine |
| 19:53.45 | unum | don't forget |
| 19:54.12 | thaddeusq | unum: I guess we have to agree to disagree. I personally don't believe that electronic voting makes it any easier. |
| 19:54.53 | fozzmoo | And then there's the question of whether electronic voting makes the voting itself any easier. |
| 19:55.28 | thaddeusq | I have observed all aspects of my own municipal elections, voting, counting, etc. I don't believe that electronic voting makes it any easier to have vote manipulation. |
| 19:55.52 | unum | for municipal I would agree |
| 19:55.57 | tensai | the one good example I've seen is for people who can't read or can't manipulate a punch key or similar |
| 19:56.12 | tensai | the electronic machines can read the votes to them and use alternate input methods |
| 19:56.47 | unum | I guess I should say the current electronic voting machines do not help much with cheating in a city election |
| 19:57.11 | tensai | thaddeusq: my gripe is that we don't know if electronic voting machines make it easier because the companies won't tell how they work. they don't allow public scrutiny. |
| 19:58.34 | thaddeusq | tensai: And that's my argument. Why do we worry so much about that and not seem to worry about public scrutiny of our banking software? |
| 19:58.39 | Tene | tensai: isn't there scads of evidence showing how easy the diebold machines are to circumvent? |
| 19:58.50 | fozzmoo | Last time I voted (last year), the electronic machine printed out a paper which I gave tot he officials. |
| 19:59.21 | tensai | Tene: there were some researchers who worked up a virus that changed votes. all they had to do was put it on the flash card that stored votes. |
| 20:01.09 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:01.32 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi. |
| 20:01.40 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 20:01.46 | tensai | thaddeusq: banks have a vested interest in them working correctly, so they make sure they do. for voting machines, the interest lies with the public so it's up to us to verify they work correctly. |
| 20:03.23 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Oh... just workin from home today. |
| 20:03.39 | Lakshmi | sounds fun |
| 20:03.54 | Lakshmi | greek art is odd. |
| 20:04.10 | tensai | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/11/the_problem_wit.html |
| 20:04.12 | brac | [Schneier on Security: The Problem with Electronic Voting Machines] |
| 20:07.11 | unum | I trust my banking software because my money is still there |
| 20:07.39 | unum | YOU don't scan your accounts to watch for oddities? |
| 20:12.04 | Supaplex | http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/index.htm now that's one COOOOOLLLL pumpkin! |
| 20:12.06 | brac | [Nodwick dot com] |
| 20:12.56 | Sargun | In your language of choice |
| 20:13.05 | Sargun | round a number to the nearest whole power of 2 |
| 20:13.30 | Sargun | Programming language |
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| 21:01.09 | justanick2 | hi. a completely non-ubuntu-related question: |
| 21:01.39 | justanick2 | is there some number i can dial that tells me my own phone number? |
| 21:01.59 | Heartsbane | ya anywhere with caller ID |
| 21:03.01 | justanick2 | nope. how would that help? |
| 21:03.29 | Heartsbane | you could look at it and find out your phonenumber |
| 21:04.41 | justanick2 | is there some service number that just tells you the number from which you're calling? |
| 21:06.42 | Heartsbane | not that I know of |
| 21:07.04 | goozbach | justanick2: jsmith would be the one to ask that question to. |
| 21:07.10 | goozbach | try asking in #utaug |
| 21:07.23 | justanick2 | thanks. will do. |
| 21:07.38 | justanick2 | thanks also, heartsbane |
| 21:07.57 | Heartsbane | I really wasn't that helpful |
| 21:08.07 | fozzmoo | I just call my cell phone. :) |
| 21:08.31 | tensai | yeah, call fozzmoo's cell phone |
| 21:08.59 | Heartsbane | Don't do it, he will give it to a telemarketer |
| 21:09.11 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Or I'll send it to India |
| 21:09.22 | Heartsbane | That is just dirty pool |
| 21:12.56 | justanick2 | be careful, i might just do that :) |
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| 21:20.13 | Tene | http://arj.nvg.org/miscellaneous/romanticism1.html -- interesting |
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| 21:26.20 | goozbach | fozzmoo: in or out man... in or out |
| 21:34.45 | fozzmoo | goozbach: been having some networking problems here at home. |
| 21:34.51 | fozzmoo | But I think i've got them resolved now. |
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| 21:42.33 | brac | someone should add more money than non |
| 21:43.25 | rsimpkins | money++ |
| 21:46.57 | fozzmoo | Nope. Still having problems. |
| 21:47.01 | fozzmoo | I don't think it's a network problem anymore. |
| 21:47.09 | fozzmoo | I think I've got a disk or two going bad. |
| 21:47.41 | elg | am I the only one that thinks casio watches are ugly? |
| 21:48.00 | levi | elg: Still looking at watches? |
| 21:49.15 | fozzmoo | I've got a G-shock that has stainless steel around it. |
| 21:49.17 | fozzmoo | I like it. |
| 21:49.30 | elg | well my wife dragged me to the store in the meantime |
| 21:49.32 | elg | but yes |
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| 22:34.36 | elg | lol. http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=933 |
| 22:34.39 | brac | [Piled Higher and Deeper] |
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| 22:40.36 | Jayce^ | phd has some good ones |
| 22:40.45 | Jayce^ | figures you'd like it :) |
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| 22:54.33 | brac | To find anything near here |
| 22:57.20 | bucky | Decoding the Pioneer Past is on ABC 4 tonight at 10:00 |
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