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| 00:37.05 | mrpull-lt | i survived. that wasn't so bad. |
| 01:00.14 | vontrapp | where's pineapple? |
| 01:04.26 | sontek | ~pineapple |
| 01:04.27 | ibot | ACTION dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing ~o pineapple pineapple pineapple ~o |
| 01:05.24 | levi | Man, I just lost respect for my software engineering professor. Which is not surprising, because he's a software engineering professor. |
| 01:05.58 | levi | He was at OOPSLA, he went to the Guy Steele & Dick Gabriel keynote, and he didn't like it. |
| 01:08.09 | levi | He does, however, speak very reverently of Fred Brooks's keynote. |
| 01:08.32 | levi | Which I'm sure was very nice, but couldn't have been as geeky-cool as the Steele/Gabriel one. |
| 01:24.47 | levi | I heard a quote at some point that said, essentially, that software engineering was 'how to program for people who can't', but I can't find a source for it. Anyone know what I'm thinking of? |
| 01:36.20 | levi | Ahh, I found it! |
| 01:36.49 | levi | Software Engineering has accepted as its charter "how to program if you cannot." |
| 01:37.18 | levi | -- Edsger W. Dijkstra (from The Cruelty of Really Teaching Computer Science) |
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| 01:49.10 | herlo | ~urls |
| 01:49.17 | herlo | -urls |
| 01:49.17 | brac | [2007/10/29 17:18:36] <klys> http://www.parinyasoft.com |
| 01:49.17 | brac | [2007/10/29 16:52:15] <ibot> http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2007/08/07/experiments-with-runtime-less-app-bundles/'. |
| 01:49.17 | brac | [2007/10/29 14:56:12] <Tene> http://www.freerice.com/totals.html |
| 01:49.20 | brac | [2007/10/29 14:35:53] <levi> http://www.freerice.com/index.php |
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| 02:00.16 | Nja1 | www.freetalklive.com |
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| 02:15.52 | brac | Java is used as an example of feature bloat. :) |
| 02:16.10 | elg | ack. quicksilver.blacktree.com isn't responding |
| 02:17.56 | sontek | responds for me, but it just says hi |
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| 02:23.40 | brac | Rush Limbaugh? |
| 02:25.46 | elg | -roulette |
| 02:25.47 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 02:26.51 | sontek | ~rlart |
| 02:26.51 | ibot | chops ti`ocpi in half with a free AOL CD |
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| 02:27.07 | ti`ocpi | o_O |
| 02:55.02 | elg | well, terminal2 is pretty slick. the only problem is I can't change the next/previous tab keys from cmd-{} |
| 03:11.01 | elg | ahhh, but I found a way around it |
| 03:17.04 | levi | Cool. :) |
| 03:19.05 | levi | Did you see that I found my Dijkstra software engineering quote? |
| 03:19.29 | elg | no |
| 03:22.44 | levi | Software Engineering has accepted as its charter "how to program if you cannot." |
| 03:23.00 | elg | hehe |
| 03:23.13 | levi | From his talk, "The Cruelty of Really Teaching Computer Science" |
| 03:23.41 | elg | i think I read that. he's the guy with crazy meticulous handwriting? |
| 03:23.46 | levi | Yup. |
| 03:23.51 | elg | yeah, good talk |
| 03:25.21 | levi | So, my Software Engineering professor was at OOPSLA last week. |
| 03:26.00 | levi | Guy Steele and Dick Gabriel did a really cool keynote that was sort of a fun, geeky-artistic rendering of the history of programming languages. |
| 03:26.41 | levi | I mentioned it in class, and he pooh-poohed it, saying that it was merely a highly opinionated regurgitation of information or something. |
| 03:27.05 | levi | And then he mentioned with great reverence the Fred Brooks keynote he went to. |
| 03:27.17 | levi | My respect for him has dropped several notches. :P |
| 03:28.43 | levi | Not that there's anything wrong with Fred Brooks, but c'mon... Guy Steele and Dick Gabriel are quintissential hacker-artists doing their thing. Failing to appreciate that is really telling. |
| 03:31.29 | levi | Man, everyone's too busy tonight to respond to my annoyed rantings. :) |
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| 03:33.00 | elg | i'm not busy |
| 03:33.14 | elg | it's just that irssi doesn't like something about the terminal.app encoding or emulation or something |
| 03:33.22 | elg | and i have to hit ctrl-l to see everything :) |
| 03:34.04 | elg | people who say "highly opinionated regurgitation" are usually overly opinionated, and probably regurgitating ;) |
| 03:35.09 | sontek | speaking of regurgiation, I had to look at the asterisk SIP implementation today |
| 03:35.26 | elg | man, that's worse than regurgitation |
| 03:41.25 | levi | sontek: Doesn't look pretty? |
| 03:42.20 | sontek | levi: It looks like they took the infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of time to the test |
| 03:42.36 | levi | sontek: A lot about asterisk seems that way. |
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| 03:44.03 | levi | If I had the motivation, I might try to create an asterisk-lite voip pbx system in Erlang. But there's pretty much no chance of that actually happening. :) |
| 03:44.13 | vontrapp | grr, my grep gave me false negative agian |
| 03:45.01 | pmcnabb | vontrapp: perhaps you need "grep -v"? ;) |
| 03:46.54 | vontrapp | no, i need grep -really-pay-attention |
| 03:47.07 | vontrapp | i wonder if it's greps fault or if it's screen's |
| 03:47.43 | vontrapp | the failing command is "screen -ls | grep comm" |
| 03:47.43 | pmcnabb | what are you matching? |
| 03:47.56 | vontrapp | obviously the comm screen _does_ exist, cause here i am |
| 03:48.06 | vontrapp | but it only happens sometimes |
| 03:48.15 | pmcnabb | i'm surprised it happens at all |
| 03:48.22 | vontrapp | well yeah |
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| 04:17.47 | Sargun | nick125, |
| 04:19.42 | nick125 | Sargun: hi |
| 04:23.33 | sontek | I just taught my dog a new trick :D When I say "box!" he gets up on his hind legs and starts punching :D |
| 04:23.48 | levi | Cool. :) |
| 04:24.30 | fozzmoo | sontek: I saw something just like that on AFV on Sunday. |
| 04:24.56 | fozzmoo | Except the trigger was the word "ding!" |
| 04:24.59 | sontek | :( now I don't feel so cool! |
| 04:25.21 | fozzmoo | Could win you $10,000. :) |
| 04:25.45 | sontek | w00t, now I feel cool |
| 04:27.07 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo !! |
| 04:27.15 | fozzmoo | Ugh!!! |
| 04:27.23 | Lakshmi | yay!!! |
| 04:27.31 | fozzmoo | s/Ugh/Lakshmi/ |
| 04:27.39 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 04:27.39 | Lakshmi | i should change my onjoin into something cooler |
| 04:27.42 | Lakshmi | hehe |
| 04:27.48 | Lakshmi | ima have to to change it back huh? |
| 04:28.07 | Sargun | uh |
| 04:28.18 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: You do whatever you want. :) |
| 04:29.04 | Lakshmi | i will fozzmoo |
| 04:29.23 | fozzmoo | okay then. |
| 04:29.39 | fozzmoo | Just finished Heroes. |
| 04:29.48 | fozzmoo | they're *trying* to redeem themselves. |
| 04:29.55 | fozzmoo | The show producers, that is. |
| 04:30.35 | Lakshmi | ah |
| 04:30.40 | Lakshmi | i heard it was an awsome show |
| 04:30.58 | herlo | fozzmoo: don't spoil anything |
| 04:31.14 | fozzmoo | herlo: Someone... used... their... POWERS! |
| 04:31.20 | fozzmoo | Muahh hah hah ahahhahah! |
| 04:31.59 | vontrapp | getting a little too religious for me at this point |
| 04:32.22 | herlo | fozzmoo: usually, that's the case! |
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| 06:04.37 | decriptor | evening all |
| 06:08.25 | findlay | ~say -chat ~lart stuff |
| 06:08.26 | ibot | -chat ~lart stuff |
| 06:08.27 | brac | ~lart stuff |
| 06:08.27 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples stuff's foot to the floor |
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| 06:13.48 | Lakshmi | yay! |
| 06:13.48 | Lakshmi | it listens |
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| 06:19.06 | rsimpkins | PICKLES! |
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| 07:15.40 | brac | ~lart had |
| 07:15.40 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of had |
| 08:20.08 | sontek | is there any chance acpi could be giving a false positive on temperature readings? |
| 08:20.14 | sontek | my laptop keeps shutting down randomly because of over eating but i'm monitoring the temperature in /proc/acpi/temperature and its not going over 57 C and i'm doing md5sum < /dev/urandom and surfing the web, and listening to music |
| 08:20.34 | sontek | I did see it spike to 94 one time, but then dropped right back down, which is why I think acpi is crazy |
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| 08:28.16 | Supaplex | that might happen on cpu demand |
| 08:29.03 | Supaplex | my amd xp 2600+ didn't play nice with non-oem heatsink+fans, even thought they were supposely rated for it... |
| 08:29.24 | sontek | ok, so its probably still the laptop overheating though? |
| 08:29.39 | Supaplex | it could be |
| 08:29.41 | sontek | The laptop is under warranty for another 8 days, so if its borked I need to send it in =) |
| 08:29.50 | Supaplex | which vendor? |
| 08:30.11 | Supaplex | oh, and how did you pay for the laptop? some CC's extend a 1y warranty into 2y (ask them) |
| 08:31.22 | sontek | It was a local company, it was a used laptop, picked it up for my gf for school |
| 08:31.33 | sontek | My only problem is I can't reproduce it |
| 08:31.46 | Supaplex | what's the laptop make? |
| 08:31.47 | sontek | I have cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null md5sum < /dev/urandom running |
| 08:31.52 | sontek | ibm thinkpad r40 |
| 08:32.05 | sontek | and neither is burning up the CPU, only 40% usage |
| 08:32.21 | Supaplex | cpuburn should put more strain thatn md5sum+urandom |
| 08:32.38 | Supaplex | multiple instances may be needed |
| 08:35.37 | sontek | yeah, md5sum+urandom isn't doing the job |
| 08:35.49 | sontek | 5 instances still not above 50% usage |
| 08:36.18 | sontek | the system is bogged down like none other, but top says 25us 75sy |
| 08:37.04 | sontek | but its still going strong at 56 C |
| 08:40.10 | Supaplex | Package: cpuburn Description: a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU CPUburn is a collection of programs to put heavy stress on CPU. These programs are designed to load x86 CPUs as heavily as possible for the purposes of system testing. Warning: The goal has been to maximize heat production from the CPU, putting stress on the CPU itself, cooling system, motherboard. This may cause data loss (filesystem corruption) and possibly permanent |
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| 08:49.26 | sontek | no cpuburn in suse |
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| 12:25.20 | Tene | sontek: I always like 'make -j' on the kernel. |
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| 12:42.34 | brac | nick125 works on ppc hardware with a word |
| 12:43.00 | elg | -lart spr |
| 12:45.23 | sjansen | ~fart elg |
| 12:45.24 | ibot | ACTION farts in elg's general direction |
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| 13:17.34 | fugalh | -lart vontrapp |
| 13:18.27 | elg | bleh |
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| 13:34.37 | elg | http://damncoolpics.blogspot.com/2006/10/halloween-pumpkin-pc-modding.html |
| 13:43.40 | findlay | -chat elg is |
| 13:43.41 | brac | elg is older |
| 13:43.48 | findlay | -chat emcnabb is |
| 13:43.48 | brac | emcnabb is an American and my key-based auth still works |
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| 13:55.20 | brac | I realize it's made Seasons 1 & 2 were rocking space heaters |
| 14:06.35 | synic | who runs openclue.org? |
| 14:08.05 | Tene | I don't! |
| 14:12.36 | elg | gabe |
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| 15:29.24 | tensai | ~noogie Tene |
| 15:29.25 | ibot | ACTION puts Tene into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Tene's hair off! |
| 15:37.51 | fozzmoo | herlo: ping |
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| 16:11.55 | Tene | -figlet ibot-- |
| 16:11.55 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.55 | brac | (_)| |__ ___ | |_ |
| 16:11.56 | brac | | || '_ \ / _ \ | __|_____ _____ |
| 16:11.56 | brac | | || |_) || (_) || |_|_____||_____| |
| 16:11.58 | brac | |_||_.__/ \___/ \__| |
| 16:11.58 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.04 | elg | -cowsay harleypig |
| 16:40.13 | rsimpkins | brac is chatty today. |
| 16:40.32 | elg | -chat rsimpkins is |
| 16:40.32 | brac | rsimpkins is happy with the shortcuts |
| 16:40.40 | rsimpkins | I am, that is so true. |
| 16:43.20 | sjansen | I thought politician couldn't call cell phones. |
| 16:44.01 | thaddeusq | sjansen: politicians can call anything they want. |
| 16:44.32 | thaddeusq | They put exemptions in all the "do not call" legislation for political activities. |
| 16:47.16 | levi | Huh, apparently Leopard sandboxes are built via Scheme code. |
| 16:55.39 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/10/30/leopard-calculator |
| 17:00.27 | levi | elg: Woot! |
| 17:01.10 | levi | Didn't your blog's sidebar used to be on the right? |
| 17:02.21 | herlo | fozzmoo: pong |
| 17:03.14 | elg | levi: not in my own theme, no, but my theme broke with a typo upgrade once upon a time and I took a long time to fix it |
| 17:03.50 | elg | sidebar on the left is the one true way. then when long <pre> sections happen, you don't et ugliness |
| 17:04.10 | levi | Yeah, I agree, I just thought it used to be on the other side. |
| 17:04.27 | levi | Just my wonky memory, I guess. |
| 17:04.33 | elg | with that theme? |
| 17:04.38 | levi | Yeah. |
| 17:04.43 | elg | guess so then :) |
| 17:05.16 | levi | Kind of like when you say a word, or see it spelled, and think 'That can't be right!' |
| 17:06.12 | levi | But then you think about it for a while, and yes, it's right. |
| 17:06.39 | Tene | elg: what's changed? |
| 17:07.10 | elg | Tene: the rpn stack |
| 17:07.15 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 17:07.17 | elg | it had rpn before, but no stack (no visible stack) |
| 17:07.41 | levi | INVISIBLE STACK |
| 17:09.24 | elg | the osx calculator is nice in many ways, but the invisible stack was always annoying. now I have one less reason to pull out my hp48 when i'm on my laptop |
| 17:09.43 | levi | I *heart* my HP48. |
| 17:10.07 | levi | Stupid stats class is TI-oriented. |
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| 17:45.13 | tensai | thaddeusq: there's a separate rule about calling cell phones since they are typically paid for by the minute |
| 17:49.45 | rsimpkins | herlo: ping |
| 17:59.25 | sjansen | All I know was that I favor vouchers, but didn't care enough to plan on voting on the issue. |
| 17:59.46 | sjansen | Now that I'm getting annoying calls on my cell phone asking me to vote against I'm planning on going to the trouble of voting for. |
| 18:01.02 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I think ref 1's biggest enemy is apathy. :) |
| 18:01.36 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I'm totally apathetic about it. |
| 18:02.36 | goozbach | -chat pineapple |
| 18:02.36 | brac | pineapple is great |
| 18:02.43 | fozzmoo | isn't it, tho? |
| 18:02.44 | goozbach | brac: yes it is |
| 18:02.53 | goozbach | -chat fozzmoo |
| 18:02.53 | brac | fozzmoo went |
| 18:03.01 | goozbach | and got some pineapple! |
| 18:03.12 | goozbach | I finally had to turn on the furnace last night |
| 18:03.28 | goozbach | it got brisk last night |
| 18:03.32 | goozbach | into the 30's |
| 18:03.47 | goozbach | which makes me sad |
| 18:04.08 | goozbach | cause it doesn't mean snow is on the way here (Atlanta) |
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| 18:39.37 | Sargun | hi |
| 18:40.09 | Supaplex | ~sargun pineapple |
| 18:40.10 | ibot | go away Tene |
| 18:41.42 | nick125 | Sargun! |
| 18:42.27 | Sargun | nick125, |
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| 18:42.47 | nick125 | My espresso machine isn't working. |
| 18:43.22 | rsimpkins | Humm, haven't seen this before: tessier_ ): ¡uʍop ǝpısdn sı ɹoʇıuoɯ ʎɯ ¡dlǝɥ |
| 18:43.25 | nick125 | I'm not getting any pressure from it at all. |
| 18:57.48 | Sargun | o.O |
| 18:57.57 | nick125 | boo for shoddy build quality that breaks in 5 days. boo. |
| 18:58.06 | Sargun | nick125, inject nitrogen into it? |
| 18:58.21 | nick125 | No, it's called putting it back in the box and taking it back to the store. |
| 18:59.02 | nick125 | then buying a different brand. |
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| 19:04.41 | Lakshmi | hey!! |
| 19:07.36 | Supaplex | hi |
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| 19:08.46 | herlo | rsimpkins: pong |
| 19:10.03 | Sargun | delete. |
| 19:11.36 | Sargun | er |
| 19:11.37 | Sargun | disk |
| 19:11.50 | Lakshmi | what? |
| 19:13.10 | Lakshmi | philosophy is interesting. |
| 19:14.10 | Supaplex | I ran fdisk one day when I was about 12. I shouted "FDISK!" and my mom thought I said "FTHIS!" |
| 19:14.27 | Supaplex | ahh the days of dos. |
| 19:17.33 | Lakshmi | hehe |
| 19:17.35 | Lakshmi | thats funny |
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| 19:19.56 | Sargun | hahaha |
| 19:20.53 | Supaplex | are you trying to scare the magic smoke out? ;) |
| 19:26.20 | Lakshmi | hey fozzmoo |
| 19:27.53 | Sargun | GAH! |
| 19:27.57 | Sargun | F'ingwaoifkwaaaaaaaaaodwa |
| 19:28.39 | Supaplex | ~comfort Sargun |
| 19:28.40 | ibot | There, there, Sargun. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:29.07 | Sargun | THE Intel? IXA SDK WILL BE REMOVED FROM Download Center STARTING JULY 1, 2007 |
| 19:29.13 | Sargun | Your Intel? sales representative can provide the latest roadmap and release information |
| 19:31.37 | Supaplex | yea, that'll make gcc less popular. hide the intel stuff. *laugh* |
| 19:34.00 | Sargun | why do they release all the good phones with a crappy network |
| 19:34.20 | Sargun | and all the Crappy phones with a good network |
| 19:34.31 | Sargun | Crappy: Windows/Proprietary |
| 19:36.05 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Hi |
| 19:37.46 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 19:37.56 | Sargun | Crappy Network: GSM/EDGE |
| 19:38.29 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Just dabbing my eyes with kleenex to soak up the blood that's been squirting out of them today. |
| 19:38.36 | fozzmoo | Not literally. |
| 19:38.49 | Lakshmi | hehe |
| 19:39.02 | Lakshmi | whatq happened ish? |
| 19:39.08 | Lakshmi | and i need a math tutor. |
| 19:40.35 | fozzmoo | Just work... getting kinda crazy. |
| 19:43.44 | Lakshmi | ah |
| 19:43.48 | Lakshmi | fun fun stuff |
| 19:43.57 | Lakshmi | im sitting in a boring philosophy classs |
| 19:44.21 | fozzmoo | Boring?! PHilosophy?!?! |
| 19:44.52 | Sargun | do the people who run Intel just not want business? |
| 19:45.49 | Sargun | http://downloadcenter.intel.com/NotFound.aspx?NoMatch=%20&lang=eng |
| 19:45.54 | brac | [Support Intel] |
| 19:46.04 | Supaplex | philosophy, the study of stuff we're not really sure about, but sure, it's accredidit (however you spells that) |
| 19:46.18 | Sargun | http://forums.gentoo.org |
| 19:48.58 | dataw0lf | Supaplex: there's a lot of uncertainty in quantum physics too, I don't see you complaining about that |
| 19:49.01 | Sargun | http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/css/index.htm |
| 19:49.14 | Sargun | If someone could tell me how to navigate from that page to a human |
| 19:49.20 | brac | [Intel® Communications Support Services and Intel® Communications Software Services] |
| 19:50.05 | Supaplex | dataw0lf: yes, it's some cute irony isn't it? :) |
| 20:00.44 | Sargun | they EOLed the f'ing product. |
| 20:01.10 | Supaplex | which one? |
| 20:01.29 | Supaplex | they bummed out on my buggy nics to :( |
| 20:02.07 | Supaplex | rtl8139c+ work better, so for the bother I just use those instead. (non network intensive machines) |
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| 20:03.14 | Lakshmi | its so confusing |
| 20:03.50 | Supaplex | ~onjoin Lakshmi now what? *sigh* |
| 20:03.50 | ibot | ok, Supaplex |
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| 20:04.04 | Lakshmi | who changed it? |
| 20:04.12 | Lakshmi | or how did it get changed? |
| 20:04.17 | Supaplex | <<-- |
| 20:04.35 | Supaplex | like 2s before you joined. :P |
| 20:05.10 | Lakshmi | hehe :-/ |
| 20:05.15 | Lakshmi | now ihave to change it back |
| 20:05.17 | Lakshmi | gah gah gha |
| 20:13.34 | Sargun | where are you lukshu |
| 20:13.45 | Lakshmi | in classe |
| 20:13.49 | Lakshmi | listening to philosophy |
| 20:13.51 | Sargun | ~onjoin -lakshmi |
| 20:13.51 | ibot | ok, Sargun |
| 20:14.00 | Lakshmi | ima call u in a minute |
| 20:14.02 | fozzmoo | Wahoo! |
| 20:14.10 | fozzmoo | I won an argument with my boss! |
| 20:14.14 | fozzmoo | I was declared the winner! |
| 20:14.20 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo congrats |
| 20:14.23 | fozzmoo | yes! |
| 20:14.23 | Lakshmi | sargun pick up |
| 20:14.25 | fozzmoo | I rock! |
| 20:14.29 | Sargun | fozzmoo, what was the argumento? |
| 20:14.41 | Sargun | Lakshmi, getting in the shower |
| 20:14.51 | fozzmoo | The argumento was whether we should use a third party DNS service as a primary or slave. |
| 20:15.00 | fozzmoo | He wanted to use them as primary - to eliminate risk. |
| 20:15.10 | Supaplex | too hard to update |
| 20:15.12 | fozzmoo | I insisted it was TOO risky, and would cause our updates to take longer... |
| 20:15.33 | fozzmoo | and if our primary went down, they would continue serving from the last update... |
| 20:15.37 | goozbach | I WANNA ROCK! |
| 20:15.38 | fozzmoo | so, he declared me the winner. |
| 20:15.40 | goozbach | RO |
| 20:15.42 | goozbach | CK! |
| 20:15.52 | Supaplex | ~rock goozbach's desk |
| 20:16.03 | Supaplex | ~rock goozbach to sleep ;) |
| 20:16.12 | goozbach | I want to ROCK! |
| 20:16.25 | Sargun | I'm going to the next NANOG. |
| 20:16.33 | fozzmoo | NANOG? |
| 20:16.38 | fozzmoo | ~dict NANOG |
| 20:16.43 | Sargun | north america network operators group |
| 20:16.44 | Tene | ~fozzmoo++ |
| 20:16.52 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Sounds boring. |
| 20:17.07 | Sargun | Lakshmi, you crashed my phone... |
| 20:17.11 | Sargun | call my home. |
| 20:17.18 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Take your pocket protector. |
| 20:17.29 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Find a new bf that will answer the phone. |
| 20:17.39 | Sargun | I do answer the phone |
| 20:17.56 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Find a new gf that won't call you every 20 seconds. |
| 20:18.03 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 20:18.18 | fozzmoo | (They do exist, I've heard.) |
| 20:18.23 | Sargun | Europeans pronounce "Routers" "Rooters" |
| 20:18.46 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Yeah, we dumb americans can't say anything right. |
| 20:18.55 | Supaplex | anything |
| 20:19.13 | Supaplex | oh, only the dumb ones. okay. |
| 20:19.30 | Sargun | heh. |
| 20:26.32 | Tene | It took 'chelle a little while to learn "Don't call while I'm teaching class" |
| 20:29.34 | Sargun | Those darn europeans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 |
| 20:31.37 | Sargun | So bye bye, folks at RIPE 55 |
| 20:32.10 | Sargun | haha |
| 20:32.12 | Sargun | so many laptops |
| 20:32.45 | Sargun | Well, we win, we have a female on our board |
| 20:33.05 | Sargun | On June 27, 2006, the sale of Intel's XScale PXA mobile processor assets was announced. Intel agreed to sell the XScale PXA business to Marvell Technology Group for an estimated $600 million in cash and the assumption of unspecified liabilities. The move is intended to permit Intel to focus its resources on its core x86 and server businesses. The acquisition was completed on November 9, 2006. Intel is expected to continue manufacturing XScale processo |
| 20:33.05 | Sargun | rs until Marvell secures other manufacturing facilities, and will continue manufacturing and selling the IXP and IOP processors, as they were not part of the deal.[1] |
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| 20:47.40 | sontek | whats the events for monitoring when a file has changed? |
| 20:47.55 | sontek | lnotify! |
| 20:48.04 | sontek | i* |
| 20:49.02 | Tene | dnotify-- |
| 20:49.07 | Tene | inotify++ |
| 20:50.09 | Supaplex | oh yes. dnotify on a busy spool dir. bad. :P |
| 20:52.27 | sontek | we just setup some servers doing load balancing and we needed a way to do a central deploy and have it copy the websites to all the servers |
| 20:52.50 | sontek | so i'm just going to write a script that uses inotify to monitor one share, and it'll know how to copy to the rest of the servers through autofs |
| 20:53.41 | tensai | drbd++ |
| 20:54.33 | tensai | Supaplex: I ran drbd for a couple really active mail spools and it saved our bacon more than once |
| 20:54.50 | Supaplex | sweet |
| 20:55.40 | Supaplex | you (your company etc) should send them a token of your thanks :) |
| 20:56.22 | tensai | I answered questions on the mailing list. does that count? |
| 20:56.33 | Supaplex | sure |
| 20:56.57 | tensai | we decommissioned those servers and don't have drbd running anywhere else, but I highly recommend it |
| 20:57.02 | atoponce | what's the difference between a 'full format' and a 'fast format' in windows? |
| 20:57.35 | Supaplex | full checks all sectors? takes longer? shows you need a new hdd if any sectors are bad? (c/o sector reallocation) |
| 20:57.46 | tensai | atoponce: fast format just writes the NTFS MFT. full format writes all the inodes too. |
| 20:58.04 | levi | Mmm, Orbital doing Doctor Who theme. |
| 20:58.14 | atoponce | does ntfs have inodes? |
| 20:59.20 | tensai | not sure if they're called inodes, but something similar |
| 20:59.23 | tensai | apparently I was wrong though |
| 20:59.25 | atoponce | i thought full formatted the entire disk, where fast only formatted the table, then formatted additional as needed on the fly as you need more spacj |
| 20:59.26 | tensai | "Both are the same as to creating a new MFT and neither really remove the files since there are many 'unformat' programs that can recover the data after a format. The difference is quick format does not scan the disk for errors." |
| 21:00.00 | tensai | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302686 |
| 21:01.02 | atoponce | interesting |
| 21:06.07 | rsimpkins | http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKN2633622620071026?rpc=44 <<<<< boooooo. |
| 21:06.32 | rsimpkins | "The most important piece of that was, in fact, hiring engineers in India and reducing engineers in the U.S." |
| 21:07.28 | rsimpkins | Novell is a sinking ship, huh? |
| 21:08.34 | rsimpkins | When the most important thing is getting rid of your skilled and innovative workforce and replacing them with code monkeys, you've got big problems. |
| 21:12.48 | tensai | who says that indian coders won't be equally skilled and innovative? novell has long had an indian workforce and a number of products have come out of there |
| 21:13.04 | tensai | one in particular I know of is NDS for Solaris |
| 21:13.32 | tensai | not that I'm a Novell apologist. I certianly wouldn't go back to work for them. |
| 21:15.50 | fozzmoo | My guess is that the overall design work is still done by domestic people. |
| 21:16.00 | fozzmoo | high-level architecture, etc. |
| 21:16.16 | fozzmoo | Then, the commodity coding, etc. is done by inexpensive offshore resources. |
| 21:16.33 | fozzmoo | If you have well trained offshore resources and a good quality control process, it's a win-win for everyone. |
| 21:17.32 | fozzmoo | But it does mean that software development is less lucrative as a career in the US and those who do it should plan on going into software design/architecture/management for a more robust career path. |
| 21:17.38 | fozzmoo | Whew. |
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| 21:33.13 | tensai | rsimpkins: great, we killed fozzmoo |
| 21:33.32 | levi | He's being shipped to India. |
| 21:34.08 | tensai | ~onjoin fozzmoo fozzmoo: so, how are you enjoying India? |
| 21:34.08 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 21:36.21 | tensai | can somebody with a satellite tv tell me, when they installed your receiver did they actually verify that it was able to make a phone call back to the mother ship? |
| 21:36.30 | rsimpkins | I'm glad I'm a sys admin some days. Hard to outsource your sys admin to another country. :) |
| 21:36.31 | tensai | or did they just hook it up to the phone line and call it good? |
| 21:36.47 | Supaplex | tensai: it's usually not required until PPV reaches a certian amount |
| 21:37.07 | tensai | Supaplex: so if you don't ppv then it never dials out? even to verify that the line works? |
| 21:37.21 | Supaplex | that's how it works for me |
| 21:37.31 | rsimpkins | So can you run up a huge ppv bill and re-flash the device? |
| 21:37.37 | Jayce^ | tensai, plugged in and that was it.. |
| 21:37.43 | Supaplex | PPV is stored on the smart card |
| 21:38.09 | Jayce^ | tensai, depends if you use Dish or Directv.. dish used to dialup for a little more information.. |
| 21:38.50 | tensai | I use OTA, but I'm trying to find out if a voip phone will have issues being connected to a satellite receiver |
| 21:39.44 | Supaplex | in the network age, who uses modems? don't they have a networking option? |
| 21:40.20 | tensai | Supaplex: nah, they just charge you $5 a month for being ahead of the curve |
| 21:40.29 | Supaplex | twerps :P |
| 21:42.07 | Jayce^ | tensai, dish used to give a hassle about it, but I haven't had a directv complaint about using a voip line |
| 21:42.43 | tensai | this person is using dish. I told her to just try it out and see. guess I'll find out soon then. |
| 21:43.31 | levi | rsimpkins: I've never feared that my job would be outsourced, but I suppose it's possible. |
| 21:44.18 | levi | I wonder if there are statistics on how successful software projects outsourced overseas tend to be. |
| 21:48.35 | Supaplex | they're " " this successful. |
| 21:48.57 | Supaplex | does FOSS count? Lots of FOSS all over the place. :P |
| 21:49.34 | levi | No, it doesn't. |
| 21:50.01 | tensai | did I have lunch today? |
| 21:50.20 | levi | FOSS stuff is either implemented whenever someone feels like it, or when a company pays for it, in which case they usually add the features they want in-house. |
| 21:50.29 | elg | tensai: no, you had two breakfasts |
| 21:50.32 | Supaplex | tensai: but more importanly, did you eat it? |
| 21:50.54 | tensai | I guess I better have another lunch, just to be sure |
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| 21:53.35 | Supaplex | try to eat atleast one this time. |
| 21:55.42 | Supaplex | they can haz ... oh nm. |
| 22:02.33 | levi | http://arcanux.org/lambdacats.html |
| 22:02.35 | brac | [Lambdacats] |
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| 22:15.41 | herlo | redbeard2: http://bebop.cns.ualberta.ca/~cwant/chocomonkey/ |
| 22:15.49 | herlo | redbeard2: can you make these for us? |
| 22:23.52 | redbeard2 | herlo: if you get me the molds, sure |
| 22:24.33 | herlo | redbeard2: isn't that part of cooking too? |
| 22:24.53 | redbeard2 | food safe silicon can be expensive |
| 22:25.17 | redbeard2 | they sell it at chefrubber.com tho |
| 22:26.58 | herlo | redbeard2: how about it I pitch in and pay for part/all of the silicon... |
| 22:27.00 | Supaplex | silicon or silicone? |
| 22:27.14 | herlo | ~dict silicon |
| 22:27.24 | herlo | ~dict silicone |
| 22:28.19 | Supaplex | eg, the latter if it's bakeware |
| 22:28.30 | Supaplex | former if it runs linux ;) |
| 22:28.34 | redbeard2 | it's not bakeware. it's rubber. |
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| 22:29.08 | Supaplex | Results 1 - 10 of about 550,000 for silicone bakeware |
| 22:29.33 | Supaplex | so not this stuff http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=silicone+bakeware&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 22:29.47 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/2ct43n |
| 22:29.51 | herlo | redbeard2: like that? |
| 22:29.56 | redbeard2 | i'm pretty sure the stuff i'm talking about would melt in the oven |
| 22:30.28 | redbeard2 | herlo: that link isn't working for me |
| 22:31.37 | redbeard2 | http://www.chefrubber.com/Shopping/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=46&cat=Food+Grade+Silicone+%28RTV%29 |
| 22:31.40 | brac | [Chef Rubber] |
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| 22:33.31 | herlo | http://chefrubber.com/Shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=137&cat=%28a%29+Ultra+Soft+Silicone%0D%0ACR%2D1040 |
| 22:33.32 | brac | [Chef Rubber] |
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| 22:34.45 | levi | Hmm, silicone rubber does indeed contain silicon. |
| 22:35.52 | Supaplex | ah HA, what's it say just below "Smooth-Sil 940" top right corner of right box panel? http://bebop.cns.ualberta.ca/~cwant/chocomonkey/www/small_chocomonkey08.jpg SiliconE rubber compound. |
| 22:36.52 | levi | Supaplex: Well, yeah. It clearly wasn't straight silicon. |
| 22:37.20 | Supaplex | yup. just an easy oversight. |
| 22:40.01 | thaddeusq | herlo: where are you going to get a 3D printer? |
| 22:40.11 | herlo | thaddeusq: I'm not |
| 22:40.51 | herlo | thaddeusq: redbeard2 said he'd do it if I bought the silicone |
| 22:41.41 | levi | redbeard2: And that stuff almost certainly won't melt in the oven, unless it's a really hot oven. They're stable from -100 C to > 200 C. |
| 22:41.44 | redbeard2 | there are places with 3d printers that will make prototypes for you |
| 22:42.08 | redbeard2 | if you can get the 3d graphic, they can print it. then it can be used to make a mold. |
| 22:42.30 | levi | Some high-temp formulations go as high as 316 C. |
| 22:42.48 | Supaplex | oh, like the uv laser in epoxy pool stuff |
| 22:43.50 | redbeard2 | levi: you know, i've had just about enough of this celsius crap. i want american temps, dangit! |
| 22:44.16 | levi | 200 C = 392 F |
| 22:44.27 | herlo | ~convert 200C to degrees |
| 22:44.35 | herlo | ~convert 200C to fahrenheit |
| 22:44.49 | redbeard2 | ~convert 200C to F |
| 22:44.57 | levi | 316 C is 600 F |
| 22:45.11 | levi | Which would be a mighty hot oven. |
| 22:45.15 | thaddeusq | ~convert 200 C to F |
| 22:45.16 | redbeard2 | pizza oven |
| 22:45.29 | redbeard2 | ~convert 200C |
| 22:45.31 | levi | Yeah, but why would you put silicone in a pizza oven? |
| 22:45.44 | redbeard2 | levi: new topping. |
| 22:45.49 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 22:45.50 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:46.16 | Supaplex | ohhh, tastes just like hollywood |
| 22:47.26 | levi | The smooth-sil 940 baking use directions instruct you not to expose it to temperatures above 400F. |
| 22:48.18 | redbeard2 | i have a silicone-coated whisk that goes up to 550F |
| 22:48.25 | redbeard2 | good for sauces |
| 22:48.44 | levi | Yeah, I'm sure it varies based on formulation. |
| 22:48.55 | levi | But most of them should be fine to 400F. |
| 22:50.59 | redbeard2 | you know... if we got some molds together (like herlo's monkey molds), we could make molded chocolates for next year's utosc. that would be way better than the cookies. |
| 22:51.09 | redbeard2 | plus, i wouldn't have to make them the same day. |
| 22:52.10 | redbeard2 | what we need are tux molds |
| 22:52.14 | redbeard2 | and beastie molds |
| 22:52.28 | redbeard2 | and firefox, but definitely not iceweasel |
| 22:52.45 | herlo | redbeard2: we could do a lot of cool things with that |
| 22:53.33 | redbeard2 | the problem is... food-grade silicone molds rarely work for more than a few uses before they start to fall apart. homemade ones, at least. |
| 22:53.46 | redbeard2 | and having custom molds made is pretty expensive |
| 22:58.45 | levi | I wonder what the high-heat failure mode for silicone rubber is. |
| 22:59.52 | Supaplex | if you keep the mold cool, it should last longer. chocolate has a pretty low melting point :) |
| 23:00.31 | levi | Heat may not be the issue with the home-made molds. |
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