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| 01:04.30 | Lakshmi | looks at Supaplex |
| 01:13.39 | Supaplex | :P |
| 01:13.54 | Lakshmi | Supaplex: whats up? |
| 01:14.39 | Supaplex | the cost of living |
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| 02:23.59 | mrpull-lt | good evening |
| 02:33.20 | Supaplex | hi |
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| 03:37.20 | Tene | Looks like raster got hired by the openmoko folks. |
| 03:37.31 | Tene | Gives me a lot more hope for that platform. |
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| 03:37.43 | Supaplex | oh? |
| 03:38.00 | Tene | Well, I wasn't *un*hopeful before. |
| 03:40.05 | Sargun | -rlart |
| 03:40.15 | Sargun | ~rlart |
| 03:40.16 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at QBFreak |
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| 04:07.30 | wps | how would I check to see if a certain process is running by it's name? |
| 04:07.43 | Sargun | ps aux|grep "procname" |
| 04:07.54 | wps | I don't see it in top you never get all of top in one window, so it could be offer the screen if it's idling |
| 04:08.15 | wps | thanks |
| 04:08.28 | herlo | wps: use htop |
| 04:08.37 | wps | if it returned something, then it's running? |
| 04:08.44 | herlo | wps: yup |
| 04:08.52 | wps | oo, htop is nice |
| 04:08.59 | Sargun | watch -n.1 "ps aux|grep procname|grep -v grep" |
| 04:09.04 | herlo | wps: yup, try scrolling down and to the right |
| 04:09.14 | herlo | Sargun: that's too much typing |
| 04:09.17 | herlo | :) |
| 04:09.22 | wps | oooo! |
| 04:09.34 | Sargun | not really. |
| 04:10.25 | wps | what does that watch think do? |
| 04:10.33 | wps | it cleared my terminal screen except or one line |
| 04:10.35 | Sargun | think do? |
| 04:10.39 | Sargun | huh |
| 04:10.43 | wps | s/think/thing/ |
| 04:10.49 | Sargun | stuffs :-) |
| 04:11.35 | Supaplex | Sargun: ps x -C procname |
| 04:12.05 | Lakshmi | Supaplex: ! |
| 04:12.23 | Supaplex | I mean, ps w -C procname |
| 04:12.57 | wps | Supaplex: that last one returned |
| 04:12.58 | wps | PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND |
| 04:13.01 | wps | and that's it |
| 04:13.28 | Supaplex | ps -C ssh ? |
| 04:13.56 | wps | returned this only: |
| 04:13.57 | wps | PID TTY TIME CMD |
| 04:14.21 | Supaplex | what process name were you looking for anyway? |
| 04:14.26 | wps | svnserve |
| 04:14.32 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:14.43 | Supaplex | ps -C svnserve |
| 04:15.03 | wps | I am trying to check a project out of the repository, but am getting an error |
| 04:15.11 | Supaplex | if ps aux|grep [s]vnserve finds it, so should: ps -C svnserve |
| 04:15.14 | wps | so I am trying to determine if svnserve is installed and running |
| 04:15.38 | wps | ps -C svnserve returns "PID TTY TIME CMD" |
| 04:15.42 | wps | does that mean that it's not running? |
| 04:15.59 | Supaplex | it means no processes with svnserve as the name were found. |
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| 04:18.40 | herlo | wps: watch rocks |
| 04:18.51 | herlo | wps: will run the command every seconds for you |
| 04:19.05 | herlo | try 'watch ls -l' on a directory and then copy files to that dir |
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| 04:20.31 | Supaplex | hello Caleb |
| 04:20.39 | Supaplex | there's like two of you here now. |
| 04:20.40 | Sargun | Hello Caleb |
| 04:21.04 | Sargun | Htop is -very- sexy |
| 04:21.18 | Supaplex | almost as sexy as vserver |
| 04:21.18 | Sargun | Who was that |
| 04:21.23 | Sargun | that reccomended that? |
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| 12:51.03 | brac | maquis waits for the Non-NATed IP ranges, all of the n (360 degrees) at 16 you should probably go through the tutorial |
| 13:16.34 | elg | -lart tensai |
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| 13:24.09 | elg | ~intercept goozbach's laptop |
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| 14:10.16 | goozbach | ~beat elg |
| 14:10.16 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats elg over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 14:19.22 | jsmith | goozbach: What was that for? |
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| 14:22.32 | elg | nothing. I'm totally innocent |
| 14:22.47 | elg | I mean, I was going to put a replica of his laptop back in the box and send it on its way |
| 14:22.53 | elg | he wouldn't notice |
| 14:25.24 | goozbach | 07:24 < elg> ~intercept goozbach's laptop |
| 14:25.27 | ^Migs^ | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/20356?nlhtsec=1008securityalert3&&nladname=101007securityal |
| 14:25.33 | goozbach | that's why |
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| 14:39.45 | utahcon | !OOOOM |
| 14:39.46 | UtahBot | utahcon: Error: "OOOOM" is not a valid command. |
| 14:39.51 | fozzmoo | Heh |
| 14:39.58 | fozzmoo | !shutup |
| 14:39.59 | UtahBot | fozzmoo: Error: "shutup" is not a valid command. |
| 14:40.02 | goozbach | BOOB! |
| 14:40.08 | fozzmoo | WHERE?! |
| 14:40.23 | fozzmoo | Just one? |
| 14:40.33 | goozbach | just one |
| 14:40.34 | goozbach | yup |
| 14:40.34 | utahcon | it happens |
| 14:42.34 | elg | -chat |
| 14:42.35 | brac | but I'm not quite sure what i want to mount audio CDs in my book had an interested effect of "This is the stuff you released on 5/23 |
| 14:43.40 | fozzmoo | brac is weird |
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| 14:46.47 | tensai | -chat fozzmoo |
| 14:46.47 | brac | fozzmoo had |
| 14:46.58 | fozzmoo | Indeed |
| 14:47.36 | jsmith | -chat fozzmoo is |
| 14:47.36 | brac | fozzmoo is back in |
| 14:47.41 | elg | -chat pink floyd |
| 14:47.41 | brac | pink floyd or at least one position. |
| 14:47.46 | elg | -chat pink floyd |
| 14:47.47 | brac | pink floyd or at least since it's a case of ifdown... |
| 14:47.50 | elg | -chat pink floyd |
| 14:47.51 | brac | pink floyd is boring |
| 14:47.53 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 14:47.55 | elg | -botsnack |
| 14:47.55 | tensai | brac: fozzmoo had farfalle with basil in a butter sauce |
| 14:47.56 | brac | elg: cheers |
| 14:47.59 | jsmith | elg: Did you know that Douglas Adams toured with Pink Floyd as their drummer? |
| 14:48.18 | elg | no, but I now he wrote for doctor who in the beginning of his career |
| 14:48.28 | jsmith | Yeah... |
| 14:49.11 | maquis | -chat elg |
| 14:49.11 | brac | elg did |
| 14:49.18 | maquis | -chat about elg is |
| 14:49.18 | brac | elg is seeking revenge on emcnabb is a thing would need a bigger heatsink |
| 14:49.30 | maquis | well... the first half made sense |
| 14:49.40 | ^Migs^ | -chat about migs is |
| 14:49.40 | brac | migs is <reply> Be alert! Your country needs lerts! |
| 14:49.40 | elg | elg did rescue the world from suse, but then maquis turned back time and stopped him |
| 14:49.54 | maquis | why would i stop you from killing suse? |
| 14:50.10 | elg | don't ask me what your ulterior motives were |
| 14:50.14 | elg | -chat elg did |
| 14:50.14 | brac | elg did rescue the world outside of the effects of snow :) |
| 14:50.25 | elg | snow to the people! |
| 14:50.39 | utahcon | snow... :D |
| 14:53.14 | elg | do they get snow in virginia? I mean, virginia doesn't even believe in santa clause |
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| 14:57.54 | brac | +hey levi |
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| 15:09.10 | brac | (this was while playing |
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| 15:10.01 | elg | -chat sjansen |
| 15:10.01 | brac | sjansen went bonkers |
| 15:10.31 | sjansen | ~bonk elg |
| 15:10.32 | ibot | ACTION bonks elg over the head |
| 15:10.44 | elg | you, you, bonker! |
| 15:15.27 | levi | elg: Good morning. |
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| 15:24.18 | klys | supaplex: ping |
| 15:26.44 | RyanE | ~/clear |
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| 15:41.45 | levi | elg: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/17/dalek-cookie-kit.html |
| 15:42.36 | elg | cool, you should buy me some |
| 15:43.05 | elg | i like this one http://www.boingboing.net/2007/03/05/howto-bake-a-chocola.html |
| 15:43.48 | levi | Mmm, chocolate Dalek. |
| 15:43.50 | elg | -lart redbeard2 |
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| 16:14.03 | shadowwire | Sup? |
| 16:14.16 | levi | elg: I finished reading the main Prydain books yesterday. Can't wait until my kids are old enough to appreciate them. |
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| 16:20.01 | redbeard2 | it's probably not the best idea to read the wikipedia article on the pan am flight 103 the day before flying home, but i can't help myself |
| 16:22.02 | herlo | redbeard2: I suggested to atoponce on Sunday that my plane might crash while I was actually on the plane. It had mechanical problems, btw... |
| 16:22.06 | herlo | I lived |
| 16:22.28 | fozzmoo | "Mechanical problems" is such a broad term. |
| 16:23.14 | herlo | fozzmoo: true |
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| 16:23.39 | herlo | fozzmoo: in this case, the A/C went out, but "mechanical problems" was much more fun... |
| 16:25.14 | jsmith | http://flightaware.com/squawks/link/1/7_days/popular/182/MAYDAY_MAYDAY_Thomson_flight |
| 16:25.20 | jsmith | That's the best one I've seen lately |
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| 16:53.17 | RyanE | only gdb is evil, but that's by design. |
| 16:53.40 | levi | gdb isn't the nicest debugger ever, but it does what it's supposed to. |
| 16:54.41 | sjansen | jsmith: wow |
| 16:54.49 | shadowwire | why would anyone dislike a debugger? |
| 16:55.05 | jsmith | sjansen: Enjoy that? |
| 16:55.18 | sjansen | well... |
| 16:55.26 | levi | There's some argument going on via blog between a smalltalk guy and a ruby guy. The ruby guy says he's glad there's no standard ruby debugger, because it's a crutch and good TDD programmers don't need them! The smalltalk guy points out that his debugger works as a great complement to TDD. |
| 16:55.36 | sontek | who needs a debugger when god invented printf? =) |
| 16:55.39 | sjansen | Kinda. A little too real for me, though. |
| 16:55.44 | shadowwire | Type in "bad landing" on youtube or metacafe and see what you get. :) |
| 16:56.39 | levi | sontek: There are times when a good watchpoint is FAR more effective than a bunch of printfs. :) |
| 16:56.51 | shadowwire | printf? I was wondering who invented that. |
| 16:56.55 | sontek | haha |
| 16:57.10 | sontek | ~gdb++ |
| 16:57.30 | levi | You get to find out exactly which uninitialized pointer access modifies your other pointer which causes a crash somewhere entirely different. |
| 17:02.01 | levi | Supposedly, if you do your test-driven development process properly, all bugs will be completely obvious so you'll never need a debugger. |
| 17:02.10 | sontek | tru dat! |
| 17:02.20 | sontek | I'm more of a bdd kind of guy |
| 17:02.24 | sontek | bug driven development! |
| 17:02.29 | sontek | if its broken, I fix it! ;) |
| 17:02.54 | levi | By that logic, if you write all your programs properly, you'll never need tests because you won't write any bugs. |
| 17:02.59 | shadowwire | If its broken, I broke it. |
| 17:04.06 | levi | In the real world, you'll still discover bugs that your tests didn't cover, and you'll have to write tests to cover them afterward. But the debugger might come in awfully handy to find those bugs, because they probably won't be obvious! |
| 17:07.42 | levi | Nevermind that smalltalk guys invented test-driven development, even though they had their fancy debuggers. :P |
| 17:07.53 | atoponce | god developed printf? does that mean he created the universe with c? :) |
| 17:08.11 | Jayce^ | atoponce, Perl, according to xkcd |
| 17:09.09 | levi | He must have used C or something like it, since there are all the null pointer black holes hanging around. |
| 17:09.30 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:10.07 | sjansen | http://bennun.biz/features/skies.html |
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| 17:27.36 | sjansen | http://www.salon.com/travel/diary/hest/1999/04/13/passenger/ |
| 17:40.48 | ^Migs^ | dangit |
| 17:40.55 | ^Migs^ | I just downloaded Ubuntu 7.04 last night, now 7.10 is out today |
| 17:41.02 | synic | hah. |
| 17:41.37 | Jayce^ | gee, haven't we all been talking about this for quite a while now? |
| 17:41.46 | Jayce^ | quick, go grab f7 while you're at it.. |
| 17:41.53 | Jayce^ | opensuse 10.2 also :) |
| 17:47.28 | RyanE | F7 is a key, not an OS. |
| 17:48.08 | tensai | grr. this mac is going to be the death of me |
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| 17:51.05 | brac | that's when you do something is much easier than you think you're mheath's age |
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| 17:51.35 | findlay | what's the difference between a WAP and a wireless router? |
| 17:51.54 | jsmith | findlay: One is simply an access point, but doesn't do routing |
| 17:52.02 | jsmith | findlay: One is an access point + router |
| 17:52.11 | findlay | do I need routiing? |
| 17:52.22 | findlay | they seem about the same price |
| 17:54.20 | tensai | you could probably turn your wireless router into a WAP by plugging the router into the LAN port and turning off the DHCP server |
| 17:54.28 | tensai | haven't tried that but it seems like it would work |
| 17:55.29 | findlay | well the WAP's I'm looking at on newegg are more expensive than the W-routers |
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| 17:57.01 | tensai | I hope ender comes back. I'd like to hear how life without the buggers is. |
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| 18:14.17 | findlay | well, I gave in and got a wrt54gl |
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| 18:15.15 | findlay | free shipping and about $55 after the rebate |
| 18:15.22 | fozzmoo | findlay: You sucker! |
| 18:15.24 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:16.45 | findlay | hm, the wrt54gl doesn't look very suckable |
| 18:16.52 | findlay | maybe teethable |
| 18:17.03 | findlay | plasticy tasting probably |
| 18:17.08 | levi | Why'd you go with the wrt vs. a Buffalo or something? |
| 18:17.15 | findlay | why not? |
| 18:17.49 | findlay | levi: what is your opinion? |
| 18:17.55 | levi | My Buffalo was $40-something, and no rebates were involved. |
| 18:18.10 | findlay | hm |
| 18:19.01 | Kemotaha | yeah but the wrt runs open source |
| 18:19.13 | Kemotaha | and you can run your own custom version on it |
| 18:19.15 | levi | So does the Buffalo. |
| 18:19.17 | Kemotaha | openwrt |
| 18:19.19 | levi | I put OpenWRT on it. |
| 18:19.38 | findlay | levi: I can't find them on newegg |
| 18:19.46 | findlay | where'd you get it? |
| 18:19.50 | Kemotaha | plus you get the good made by Cicso feeling |
| 18:19.52 | levi | From newegg. |
| 18:19.58 | maquis | ok... here's a question for everyone... |
| 18:20.11 | maquis | if you had the time to learn 5 new technologies, what would they be? |
| 18:20.31 | levi | Actually, it was $39 before shipping. |
| 18:20.47 | levi | But apparently they aren't selling it anymore. |
| 18:20.50 | fozzmoo | maquis: Does "Java" count as a single technology? |
| 18:20.56 | maquis | fozzmoo: sure |
| 18:21.27 | levi | maquis: Depends on how you define 'new', and what you wanted to accomplish with them. |
| 18:21.34 | maquis | levi: new to you |
| 18:21.35 | findlay | levi: nope |
| 18:21.42 | maquis | and it doesn't matter what you want to accomplish... |
| 18:22.30 | maquis | this is a hypothetical "you have all the time you need and an endless supply of information... what will you learn?" |
| 18:22.43 | levi | findlay: Okay, well, the WRT was probably a pretty good deal then. |
| 18:23.01 | fozzmoo | Uhm... Java web app development , Python, JACK, Qt, some init-alternative. |
| 18:26.10 | levi | maquis: I would probably learn Haskell, Erlang, Scala, Forth, and Intel assembly language. |
| 18:26.17 | fozzmoo | levi: You would. |
| 18:26.24 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 18:27.19 | maquis | i'm trying to figure out what mine are, and i really don't know |
| 18:27.28 | levi | Afterward, I'd write my own programming language for systems and embedded software development. |
| 18:27.31 | fozzmoo | maquis: You're not going to hold me to that list, are you? |
| 18:27.36 | maquis | kernel/embedded development |
| 18:27.41 | maquis | fozzmoo: nope |
| 18:27.43 | fozzmoo | whew |
| 18:27.45 | maquis | robotics |
| 18:27.49 | maquis | and i don't know the other 3 |
| 18:27.59 | maquis | probably something to do with AI/machine learning... |
| 18:28.27 | levi | There ought to be a much better tool than C/C++ for embedded and kernel development. |
| 18:29.08 | synic | ~onjoin synic |
| 18:29.08 | ibot | onjoin for synic set by vontrapp on Mon Sep 24 15:48:31 2007: syn for me, synic! |
| 18:40.59 | elg | i HATE it when pens with 4 inches of ink in the barrel stop writing |
| 18:41.09 | elg | which is just about every pen that's ever stopped writing on me |
| 18:41.22 | elg | has anyone ever seen a pen use even most of its ink? |
| 18:42.07 | maquis | elg: i have |
| 18:42.09 | RyanE | occasionally. Fortunately, I lose them before then. |
| 18:42.25 | elg | maquis: what's the secret? |
| 18:42.37 | maquis | the gel pens a couple years ago had a little bit of clear gel after all the ink, and i got to the point where i was writing with the clear gel |
| 18:42.40 | maquis | elg: i don't know |
| 18:42.46 | maquis | i think it's the type of pen |
| 18:42.48 | maquis | and the type of ink |
| 18:43.19 | maquis | also, the all-black pens with the liquid-ish ink tend to actually work pretty well (although they have a bit more tendency to walk off than bic pens do) |
| 18:43.32 | maquis | and... i did run out of ink in a fountain pen once |
| 18:43.51 | maquis | but that had something to do with having the lid fall off while it was sitting on my bed in college... |
| 18:43.52 | sjansen | redbeard2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Flight_243 |
| 18:43.58 | elg | maquis: you're talking about the pilot v-ball |
| 18:44.07 | elg | the once-beautiful and elegant design |
| 18:44.09 | maquis | maybe... let me check |
| 18:44.30 | maquis | nope |
| 18:44.39 | maquis | but those work too |
| 18:44.45 | maquis | i've used them and they tend to use up all the ink as well |
| 18:44.54 | elg | I've never had one of those die on me. lose them lots though. :) |
| 18:44.59 | maquis | :) |
| 18:45.08 | elg | that's probably why I've never seen a pen to the end |
| 18:45.15 | maquis | :) |
| 18:45.22 | elg | still, i've had a lot of basically fresh (at least fresh-looking) pens die on me |
| 18:45.26 | elg | this particular one is a pilot G2 |
| 18:45.30 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 18:45.42 | maquis | i usually use bic pens or ballpoint pens |
| 18:45.50 | maquis | the type of ink they use is rather poor, though |
| 18:47.31 | elg | you weren't talking about this one: http://www.pilotpen.us/images/enlarge/vBall_large.jpg ? |
| 18:47.44 | maquis | no |
| 18:47.48 | maquis | i'm thinking of something cheaper |
| 18:47.53 | maquis | you can get them in red, blue or black |
| 18:47.58 | maquis | and they come in boxes of like 20 |
| 18:48.21 | maquis | doh... now you have me looking up pens |
| 18:48.23 | RyanE | Probably the BIC Ultra Round Stic Grip, as I have here |
| 18:48.31 | RyanE | or another BIC |
| 18:48.38 | maquis | and remembering that fountain-pens are still too expensive |
| 18:48.46 | elg | the precise maybe? http://www.pilotpen.us/images/enlarge/preciseV_large.jpg |
| 18:49.37 | elg | the pilot v-ball you can't hardly find anymore, now you have to get the v-ball grip which works the same but is UGLY http://www.pilotpen.us/images/enlarge/vBallGrip_large.jpg |
| 18:49.58 | RyanE | that is ugly. |
| 18:50.06 | elg | that's the pen I wish I had but I left it at school. so this loser G2 pen which should in no way be out of ink is going out on me |
| 18:50.34 | maquis | elg: i've heard the fischer space pens are pretty good too |
| 18:51.05 | elg | yeah, the fisher space pens work great |
| 18:51.11 | elg | i have one of the mini ones |
| 18:51.12 | ^Migs^ | what about a laser pen? |
| 18:51.21 | maquis | i've got one that needs a bottle of ink, but my ink bottle's mouth is too small |
| 18:51.26 | elg | although I haven't utterly lost it, it's usually hard to find. and not much fun to write with |
| 18:51.36 | RyanE | I've tried the G2 with the Mont Blanc refill. Didn't like it that much. |
| 18:51.39 | fozzmoo | I need to find out what kind of pen Consonus gives out as swag. That's got to be the best pen ever. |
| 18:51.40 | elg | the big ones are too much for me to plunk down the money for |
| 18:51.53 | elg | http://www.rei.com/product/701171 |
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| 18:52.48 | levi | $8 is too much? |
| 18:52.56 | elg | no, that one is ok |
| 18:53.12 | elg | plus my campus bookstore doesn't carry any of the others, just the stowaway |
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| 18:53.50 | levi | I have a nice cross pen/pencil set, and then a funky fat cross pen with all sorts of different writing options. |
| 18:53.53 | *** part/#utah mm_202 (n=mm_202@216.106.29.84) |
| 18:54.20 | levi | Mostly I use a Zebra Sarasa, though. |
| 18:54.46 | elg | the regular size fisher pens start at $2 |
| 18:54.48 | elg | er, $20 |
| 18:55.03 | elg | which I might spring for if I could guarantee I wouldn't lose it |
| 18:55.09 | maquis | hmmm... amazon carries some disposable fountain-pens at about 2$ each... |
| 18:55.21 | maquis | which is actually not bad |
| 18:55.37 | maquis | because i think the cartridges for the regular ones run pretty close to that |
| 18:59.36 | levi | I've got a pen/pencil set of these, which were a gift many years ago: http://www.cross.com/catalog/pendetail.aspx?cat_name=Classic+Century+Pens&id=2402 |
| 19:03.05 | elg | dr. google seems to think heating the ink will help |
| 19:03.29 | elg | not feeling like subjecting the plastic pen to open flame even if I had one handy, I'm going to try boiling it |
| 19:03.46 | RyanE | and if it doesn't work, it'll certainly guarantee that is indeed broken. |
| 19:04.06 | maquis | ooh... then you can reshape it, too! |
| 19:04.08 | RyanE | s/is/it is/ |
| 19:11.30 | levi | Wow, Carl's MythTV system is a killer deal. |
| 19:12.24 | shadowwire | s/broke/broke it/ |
| 19:12.56 | shadowwire | MythTV system? Do tell. |
| 19:13.03 | RyanE | on the pluglist |
| 19:14.29 | shadowwire | Whats the pluglist? |
| 19:18.19 | RyanE | http://plug.org/mailman/listinfo/plug |
| 19:23.49 | elg | that seems to have worked. for now anyway |
| 19:23.58 | elg | we'll see if i can grade the rest of the stack without trouble |
| 19:24.04 | levi | My mythtv system needs an upgrade. I can't record and watch HD programs at the same time. |
| 19:24.25 | sontek | I use torrent as my mythtv |
| 19:24.27 | levi | At least not without annoying regular jerkiness in the playback. |
| 19:25.06 | levi | sontek: My HD OTA recordings are much higher quality than 'HD' torrents. |
| 19:25.21 | levi | At least the HD torrents I've downloaded. |
| 19:25.51 | levi | I supplement my recordings with a few downloaded shows, but I find downloading very inconvenient. |
| 19:25.58 | sontek | yeah, I don't want my movies on hd, I just watch them on my monitor |
| 19:26.14 | sontek | I just use an rss feed + regular expressions for my torrents |
| 19:26.29 | sontek | its very convenient, I go home and have all the latest tv shows |
| 19:26.43 | sontek | but azureus is a system hog so I've been playing with other solutions |
| 19:28.03 | levi | Even on a monitor, HD looks much better. |
| 19:38.39 | Supaplex | ~seen kyls |
| 19:38.47 | ibot | i haven't seen 'kyls', Supaplex |
| 19:39.00 | Supaplex | ~seen klys |
| 19:39.02 | ibot | klys is currently on #utah (4h 17m 16s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 4h 14m 44s, last said: 'supaplex: ping'. |
| 19:39.06 | Supaplex | my typobad. |
| 19:39.16 | Supaplex | klys: yo :) |
| 19:41.15 | shadowwire | Yo Yo! |
| 19:44.50 | sontek | ~seen Supaplex |
| 19:44.52 | ibot | supaplex is currently on #debian (5d 3h 7m 48s) #utah (5d 3h 7m 48s). Has said a total of 335 messages. Is idling for 5m 36s, last said: 'klys: yo :)'. |
| 19:45.10 | shadowwire | ~seen shadowwire |
| 19:45.12 | ibot | shadowwire is currently on #utah (3h 31m 14s). Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen shadowwire'. |
| 19:45.17 | sontek | we need a stats page to see who the chatterboxes are in here |
| 19:45.41 | sontek | ~seen herlo |
| 19:45.42 | ibot | herlo is currently on #utos (5d 21h 21m 46s) #ubuntu-utah (5d 21h 21m 46s) #utah (5d 21h 21m 46s) #uphpu (5d 21h 21m 46s). Has said a total of 587 messages. Is idling for 1h 16m 54s, last said: 'thaddeusq: haha'. |
| 19:45.53 | shadowwire | Chatterboxes? What do you mean? |
| 19:46.06 | sontek | the people who type 587+ messages :D |
| 19:46.12 | sontek | ~seen sontek |
| 19:46.14 | ibot | sontek is currently on #utos (5d 2h 41m 33s) #ubuntu-utah (5d 2h 41m 33s) #utah (5d 2h 41m 33s). Has said a total of 502 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen sontek'. |
| 19:46.19 | Supaplex | I wonder what he's implying |
| 19:46.23 | sontek | haha |
| 19:46.32 | shadowwire | Hmm. |
| 19:46.33 | RyanE | ~seen RyanE |
| 19:46.34 | ibot | ryane is currently on #utah (3d 12h 33m 9s). Has said a total of 103 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen RyanE'. |
| 19:46.50 | shadowwire | I think you started something. |
| 19:46.52 | Supaplex | -seen ibot |
| 19:46.52 | brac | ibot was last seen 14 seconds ago, saying ryane is currently on #utah (3d 12h 33m 9s). Has said a total of 103 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen RyanE'. |
| 19:46.53 | ibot | brac: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:47.06 | sontek | http://www.df7cb.de/irc/pisg/pisg-full.html |
| 19:47.06 | Supaplex | haha |
| 19:47.09 | sontek | like that page |
| 19:47.09 | brac | [#pisg @ quakenet stats by Myon] |
| 19:47.16 | fozzmoo | http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q271/anettemr/GetAttachment.jpg |
| 19:47.21 | shadowwire | -chat ~seen ibot |
| 19:47.21 | brac | ~seen ibot |
| 19:47.22 | ibot | ibot is currently on #bzflag (5d 22h 26m 2s) #kierra (5d 22h 26m 2s) #brlcad (5d 22h 26m 2s) #handhelds (5d 22h 26m 2s) #utah (5d 22h 26m 2s) #oe (5d 22h 26m 2s) #zaurus (5d 22h 26m 2s) #gllug (5d 22h 26m 2s) #pillbox (5d 22h 26m 2s) #handhelds-gpe (5d 22h 26m 2s) #openzaurus (5d ... |
| 19:47.45 | RyanE | the dreaded ellipses... |
| 19:48.07 | shadowwire | -chat ~chat |
| 19:48.08 | brac | ~chat was |
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| 19:49.07 | tensai | sontek: there is such a page |
| 19:49.08 | tensai | ~logs |
| 19:49.09 | ibot | logs is probably apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 19:49.46 | tensai | and guess who tops the leader board for yesterday |
| 19:50.02 | nick125 | Anyone here have any suggestions for an open source filtering suite? |
| 19:50.09 | shadowwire | is there a way to create an endless loop of ibot / brac chat? |
| 19:50.14 | nick125 | Or something that can filter web traffic through a blacklist |
| 19:51.00 | Supaplex | nick125: squid, junkbuster, depends on your needs. |
| 19:51.38 | RyanE | shadowwire: it was attempted somewhat successfully in the past, but changes have been made to both bots to make it much harder to do. |
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| 19:51.44 | tensai | shadowwire: yes, it's possible. no, please don't do it. |
| 19:52.01 | nick125 | I think something that runs on the server-side. |
| 19:52.05 | shadowwire | cool. |
| 19:52.36 | dataw0lf | nick125: check out squid. |
| 19:52.49 | nick125 | I'm thinking of getting DansGuardian + Squid setup on a test machine |
| 19:53.00 | Supaplex | shadowwire: I demonstrated that a few years ago in #debian-bots. I quickly deleted the junk-factiods after about 2-3 rounds of repeated replies. |
| 19:53.01 | tensai | nick125: I've used squid + squidguard and dansguardian. both are good setups |
| 19:53.03 | Jayce^ | nick125, good combo |
| 19:53.17 | Supaplex | nick125: oh yea, I totally spaced DG. good pick. |
| 19:53.35 | nick125 | I have it installed on a Deb Etch box, I'll try configuring it today. |
| 19:54.48 | nick125 | for some odd reason, it won't send my outbound mail.. |
| 19:56.09 | Supaplex | I guess I need a mixer setup or something. my ibook is usually playing music to my receiver/amp, but I miss all the im+mail notifications on my desktop. humm. |
| 19:56.35 | nick125 | What in the world.....it says that the SMTP server does no support authentication (their misspelling intact) |
| 19:57.27 | nick125 | What's another good easy to install webmail suite that isn't crappy? |
| 19:57.46 | Jayce^ | google apps :) |
| 19:58.00 | nick125 | Something that can use my IMAP server |
| 20:02.47 | beandog | squirrelmail? |
| 20:02.54 | sontek | Sqirrel |
| 20:03.17 | Supaplex | sqwebmail is less pretty, but it's very fast |
| 20:06.29 | Lakshmi | squirrel. |
| 20:07.41 | ^Migs^ | raccoon |
| 20:07.59 | nick125 | For some reason, squirrel mail is saying that all of my folders are empty.. |
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| 20:08.33 | ^Migs^ | I think it's time to trim my beard when I can chew on it |
| 20:11.00 | nick125 | Anyone use horde twig (I believe that's what it is)? |
| 20:11.37 | nick125 | I would go to their site, but it's blocked for some odd reason (while the myspace proxies aren't blocked ...go figure) |
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| 20:15.23 | RyanE | Does anyone know a way to save the contents of an irssi window? |
| 20:15.25 | Keighvin | j0. |
| 20:15.45 | Tene | RyanE: screen's hardcopy command. ;) |
| 20:16.00 | RyanE | yeah, I can cut & paste, but it's a few pages long conversation in IM |
| 20:16.06 | RyanE | and I'm lazy. :) |
| 20:16.12 | Keighvin | quick |
| 20:16.19 | Keighvin | Everyone talk a lot and scroll it off. |
| 20:16.25 | RyanE | it's not in here. |
| 20:16.34 | Keighvin | Well fine then. |
| 20:16.37 | RyanE | I use bitlbee, and it's in an IM conversation. |
| 20:17.08 | sjansen | http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/07/10/18/1435249.shtml <-- My impression is confirm, being a Web expert doesn't pay. |
| 20:17.22 | Keighvin | Anybody interested in a $40/hr 3 mo. perl contract? |
| 20:18.04 | RyanE | no ($40/hr), no (3mo.), and no (perl). heh. |
| 20:18.54 | Keighvin | Yes it's chump change, but I figured somebody in here might be junior-to-mid level and it would be helpful for them. |
| 20:21.08 | Jayce^ | double the rate an maybe I'll feign interest |
| 20:21.58 | dataw0lf | does it come with a worker compensation fund for the likely event of Perl burning your eyes out? |
| 20:22.05 | RyanE | dataw0lf: heh |
| 20:22.17 | Keighvin | Sheesh, you try to help people out. |
| 20:22.27 | Tene | Keighvin: I'll ask around. |
| 20:22.32 | tensai | elg: ping |
| 20:22.38 | Tene | Keighvin: you want on-site, or remote? |
| 20:23.05 | Keighvin | It's not for me, otherwise I'd know better than to try to get 3 contract positions for mid-level developers at low pay. |
| 20:23.37 | Keighvin | 1-2 Sr. for an appropriate rate will get you A) better code B) faster and C) more secure ... N) etc. |
| 20:23.59 | Keighvin | I'm assuming it's on-site, S.E. SLC |
| 20:24.12 | shadowwire | $40 an hour is chump change? |
| 20:24.15 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^'s high horse |
| 20:24.15 | ibot | teaches Jayce^'s high horse the basics, including how to RTM |
| 20:25.37 | Keighvin | shadowwire: With enough experience, yeah. |
| 20:25.39 | sjansen | shadowwire: Depends. $40 is chump change for temporary work. |
| 20:26.16 | sjansen | If it were a salaried long term position, $40 would translate to roughly $80,000 salary. |
| 20:26.42 | sjansen | But when you're paying for contract work, you have to compensate for time without work. $40 is barely starter. |
| 20:27.04 | Supaplex | you may as well give blood at a plasma bank |
| 20:27.45 | sjansen | $75 is probably the start of appropriate. $100 isn't unreasonable. $200 isn't unheard of. $400 isn't impossible. |
| 20:29.20 | levi | When you're contracting, you not only have to cover regular expenses, but you pay twice the FICA tax, pay your own insurance, etc. So your contracting rate is necessarily higher than a salary would be, since the salary is not your full expense to your employer. |
| 20:29.22 | Kemotaha | sjansen, unless I can count anytime I think about the project. translates to 20 hours a day or so :) |
| 20:29.24 | tensai | $40 of contract pay also has to pay taxes and other benefits that a salary would |
| 20:30.25 | shadowwire | I see. |
| 20:30.42 | shadowwire | I assume you all make a good salary? |
| 20:31.16 | shadowwire | ya know 80k yr full bennifits. etc... |
| 20:32.03 | sjansen | Now $40 working for a consulting company can happen, but you can be sure the company keeps that person close to full time employment, and is charging the customer much more to cover taxes and other overhead. |
| 20:34.02 | dataw0lf | I'd say a good temporary contract for midlevel development is around 100-150 an hour |
| 20:34.23 | dataw0lf | you can definitely get higher, but I wouldn't shoot lower than $100. |
| 20:34.46 | Keighvin | dataw0lf: Really? I've only seen that for more sr. resources |
| 20:34.49 | RyanE | and a good rate for 'helping a buddy out' is around $75/hr. |
| 20:34.57 | sjansen | shadowwire: Not all of us. Some are still students. Others don't have enough experience to be that far above national average. (Especially given that Utah employers are notorious for being cheap.) But the economy has been good enough for long enough that a large number of us have good paying jobs with good benefits doing work we enjoy. |
| 20:35.29 | RyanE | and a good many of us have families that make on-the-side jobs have to be *very* lucrative to want to even look at. |
| 20:36.05 | dataw0lf | Keighvin: Well I haven't done dev contracts for a while, I stick with net sec / engineering contracts these days, and I don't think I've had anything below $120 for a while |
| 20:36.17 | dataw0lf | but it usually pays higher than dev. |
| 20:36.36 | Keighvin | Yeah, that's the other part of it - the more niche you go the higher the rate. |
| 20:40.33 | dataw0lf | well, if you want to get a good paying job and are underqualified, there's nowhere better to go than security. |
| 20:41.00 | shadowwire | Security? |
| 20:41.01 | dataw0lf | at my current job, I run into app sec 'engineers' with a CISSP who think the cert gives them magical unicorn hacking powers or something. |
| 20:41.20 | shadowwire | nice |
| 20:41.37 | levi | Sweet, unicorn hacking! |
| 20:41.44 | dataw0lf | shadowwire: yea. I work at a security firm as a senior app sec engineer, and of the three teams I supervise, half of the guys barely know what they're doing. |
| 20:41.54 | Kemotaha | that doesn't sound very fun |
| 20:42.03 | shadowwire | What level mage hacker do you have to be to get that? |
| 20:42.08 | dataw0lf | levi: their horns confer special powers, which is why you hack them (off) |
| 20:42.13 | Kemotaha | if a unicorn is anything like a horse, There aren't very many ways to get in |
| 20:42.41 | shadowwire | Dang! |
| 20:42.49 | Tene | dataw0lf: so you're saying that you'd like to hack the 'horn' off of pretentious underqualified sec engineers? |
| 20:43.00 | shadowwire | the human horn? |
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| 20:43.22 | dataw0lf | Tene: oh, I don't have to WANT to. |
| 20:43.30 | sjansen | We're talking about the nose, right? |
| 20:43.34 | Nja1 | so this is UTAH? |
| 20:43.47 | shadowwire | Um... Yea. |
| 20:43.47 | levi | Yeah, it's UTAH! |
| 20:43.55 | dataw0lf | NEVADA! ..... |
| 20:43.58 | levi | It's AWESOME! |
| 20:43.58 | ^Migs^ | yet most people in here aren't from Utah |
| 20:43.59 | Nja1 | wow, I pictured mountains and mormons |
| 20:44.06 | sjansen | Nja1: You know, teabots and all the Jazz. |
| 20:44.13 | levi | Well, if there were pictures here... |
| 20:44.14 | *** join/#utah nick125_treo- (n=upirc@m2a0e36d0.tmodns.net) |
| 20:44.18 | shadowwire | ^^^^mormons^^^^^ that beter? |
| 20:44.27 | Nja1 | The Jazz, go Kirilenko |
| 20:44.28 | Kemotaha | Can I be a moron? |
| 20:44.34 | Kemotaha | :) |
| 20:44.35 | ^Migs^ | it's pronounced "moun-uns" |
| 20:44.48 | Nja1 | mouns? |
| 20:44.50 | shadowwire | nice Migs. |
| 20:45.13 | Keighvin | No, glottal full-stop. And it drives me nuts. |
| 20:45.25 | shadowwire | How many wives do you have? |
| 20:45.31 | Nja1 | its a utah forum and most people arent from utah? |
| 20:45.31 | herlo | 17 |
| 20:45.38 | sjansen | 0 |
| 20:45.40 | Keighvin | There's also a tendency to turn a short 'a' into a long 'a'. |
| 20:45.41 | dataw0lf | I share 4 with herlo. |
| 20:45.47 | Kemotaha | herlo, we all know that ain't true |
| 20:45.48 | herlo | dataw0lf: I thought it was 5 |
| 20:45.54 | dataw0lf | herlo: IS IT?! |
| 20:45.59 | dataw0lf | I've been getting ripped off. |
| 20:46.12 | Nja1 | is caffeine legal in ut? |
| 20:46.16 | herlo | dataw0lf: mindy, remember? |
| 20:46.21 | herlo | Nja1: yup |
| 20:46.27 | herlo | Nja1: in fact, so is alcohol |
| 20:46.29 | Kemotaha | only on the days that end in 'y' |
| 20:46.34 | ^Migs^ | I think it's about half and half, Nja1 |
| 20:46.41 | ^Migs^ | the people from and not from Utah in here, I mean |
| 20:46.49 | dataw0lf | herlo: oooooooh, mindy. That's right, that's right. She's so quiet in the laundry room, I always forget. |
| 20:46.52 | Nja1 | anyone from NH? |
| 20:46.58 | sjansen | So long as you add milk to your caffeine or alcohol. |
| 20:47.00 | herlo | Nja1: I've been to NH |
| 20:47.08 | Nja1 | good to hear! |
| 20:47.10 | sjansen | Milk and Mountain Dew takes some getting used to, but it's doable. |
| 20:47.12 | Nja1 | the Free State |
| 20:47.14 | shadowwire | North Haven? |
| 20:47.14 | herlo | sjansen: yum, kahlua and milk with coffee! |
| 20:47.18 | tensai | redbeard2 lived in new hampshire |
| 20:47.39 | Nja1 | where? |
| 20:47.50 | dataw0lf | is New Hampshire the state with the people with really annoying, nasal accents? |
| 20:47.51 | herlo | bananaland |
| 20:48.06 | RyanE | dataw0lf: one of many. |
| 20:48.06 | herlo | dataw0lf: no, that's New York |
| 20:48.11 | Nja1 | no, but there is a lack of r's |
| 20:48.23 | tensai | sjansen: but you went to SD??? |
| 20:48.36 | shadowwire | south detroit? |
| 20:48.38 | Nja1 | jansen is norwegian isnt it? |
| 20:48.53 | Nja1 | pierre |
| 20:48.58 | herlo | ~w00t! |
| 20:48.59 | ibot | There it is! |
| 20:49.00 | herlo | first try |
| 20:49.01 | dataw0lf | Quebec |
| 20:49.13 | dataw0lf | Rhode Island |
| 20:49.14 | RyanE | I would've had to ask one of my elementary-school-age kids. |
| 20:49.14 | Nja1 | quebecistan? |
| 20:49.14 | ^Migs^ | what's the capital of West Dakota? |
| 20:49.15 | dataw0lf | Puerto Rico |
| 20:49.18 | dataw0lf | tell me when I get it |
| 20:49.22 | shadowwire | good call |
| 20:49.23 | Nja1 | I was a teacher |
| 20:49.32 | shadowwire | im sorry. |
| 20:49.42 | ^Migs^ | what grade did you teach? |
| 20:49.59 | Nja1 | 6th grade |
| 20:50.09 | ^Migs^ | yikes |
| 20:50.14 | ^Migs^ | middle school or elementary? |
| 20:50.19 | Nja1 | elementary |
| 20:50.47 | Nja1 | so what is everyone here into other than jello and milk? |
| 20:50.48 | dataw0lf | did you use a water bottle sprayer to deal with the hormones, or what? |
| 20:50.48 | ^Migs^ | I work for a school district. I think all jr high teachers have a free pass to heaven. |
| 20:50.55 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 20:50.57 | Nja1 | lol |
| 20:51.02 | ^Migs^ | shredding carrots to put in jello |
| 20:51.03 | Nja1 | I was in a charter school |
| 20:51.13 | ^Migs^ | oh, okay |
| 20:51.20 | ^Migs^ | K-12, or K-8, or what? |
| 20:51.30 | Nja1 | went k-8 this year |
| 20:51.33 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 20:51.34 | shadowwire | I play Battlefield2 when my mom lets me. |
| 20:51.37 | Nja1 | was k-6 |
| 20:51.38 | ^Migs^ | I'm helping set up a K-8 charter school |
| 20:51.49 | Nja1 | whats it called? |
| 20:51.52 | ^Migs^ | Venture Academy |
| 20:51.56 | ^Migs^ | http://www.venturelearning.org |
| 20:51.58 | brac | [Venture Expeditionary Learning Charter School, Ogden Utah] |
| 20:52.00 | Nja1 | need any staff? |
| 20:52.08 | sjansen | When I'm not on IRC.... I like to replay IRC conversation in my mind. |
| 20:52.08 | ^Migs^ | email us |
| 20:52.26 | ^Migs^ | The school won't open until next August, though |
| 20:52.27 | Nja1 | I can teach history, language arts, math |
| 20:52.49 | Nja1 | swedish and latin |
| 20:52.51 | ^Migs^ | this is going to be a neat school. It uses a different style teaching, one that involves hands-on teamwork, outdoor activity, etc. |
| 20:52.58 | ^Migs^ | s/style/style of/ |
| 20:53.07 | Nja1 | do you follow MI theory? |
| 20:53.13 | ^Migs^ | no, Expeditionary Learning |
| 20:53.18 | ^Migs^ | Don't know what MI theory is |
| 20:53.27 | RyanE | Nja1: swedish? |
| 20:53.27 | shadowwire | Middle income? |
| 20:53.28 | beandog | herlo, you nerd |
| 20:53.28 | Nja1 | Multiple Inteligenced |
| 20:53.35 | RyanE | Nja1: or Swedish Chef? |
| 20:53.37 | Nja1 | Ja |
| 20:53.46 | Nja1 | no cooking involved |
| 20:53.49 | ^Migs^ | deconstructing the acronym did nothing to explain what it means |
| 20:54.16 | dataw0lf | 'Inteligenced' |
| 20:54.18 | shadowwire | Is that like multiple personality |
| 20:54.18 | dataw0lf | Classic. |
| 20:54.19 | Nja1 | The idea that lesson plans should be tailored to individuals |
| 20:54.50 | ^Migs^ | ah, we do follow that idea |
| 20:54.59 | shadowwire | ~lart me |
| 20:54.59 | ibot | DoSes shadowwire |
| 20:55.12 | Nja1 | what is a lart? |
| 20:55.13 | ^Migs^ | the main focus of the academy is on the expeditionary learning style, which does incorporate that, though I'm not sure if it's practiced the same way you might be used to |
| 20:55.37 | Nja1 | practice makes perfect, theory with sixth graders is just that, theory |
| 20:55.42 | jsmith | Nja1: It's a "looser attitude readjustment tool"... commonly known as a clue-by-four |
| 20:55.49 | shadowwire | lart is fun, you should try it. (~lart "whatever you want to lart") |
| 20:56.06 | Nja1 | ~lart a small fuzzy rodent |
| 20:56.06 | ibot | whacks a small fuzzy rodent upside the head |
| 20:56.09 | ^Migs^ | I'm mainly just one of the technology coordinators |
| 20:56.15 | Nja1 | I like that |
| 20:56.21 | ^Migs^ | we're setting up a ton of FOSS software in the school |
| 20:56.24 | ^Migs^ | ~lart Nja1 |
| 20:56.24 | ibot | teaches Nja1 the basics, including how to RTM |
| 20:56.29 | ^Migs^ | ~migs Nja1 |
| 20:56.30 | ibot | ACTION forces Nja1 to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 20:56.41 | Nja1 | how strange |
| 20:56.45 | shadowwire | had'nt seen that one. |
| 20:56.51 | Nja1 | what other tricks are there? |
| 20:56.57 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleslap Nja1 |
| 20:56.58 | ibot | ACTION beats Nja1 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:57.06 | ^Migs^ | ~whalebomb Nja1 |
| 20:57.07 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at Nja1 and hides. |
| 20:57.07 | RyanE | too many that it's beyond the scope of this conversation. |
| 20:57.13 | jsmith | ~zap Nja1 |
| 20:57.14 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives Nja1 a good jolt. |
| 20:57.16 | Nja1 | what species of whale? |
| 20:57.17 | ^Migs^ | yeah, you could spend all day messing with ibot |
| 20:57.21 | jsmith | ~whale |
| 20:57.21 | ibot | methinks whale is a mammal |
| 20:57.24 | RyanE | clear |
| 20:57.26 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:57.27 | ^Migs^ | ~humpback whale |
| 20:57.34 | ^Migs^ | ~whalenuke Nja1 |
| 20:57.35 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Nja1 with his mind powers |
| 20:57.43 | Nja1 | then the explsive is redundant |
| 21:01.31 | Nja1 | it is too quiet, everyone throw out a link, www.freetalklive.com |
| 21:02.18 | elg | tensai: pong |
| 21:04.10 | Kemotaha | ~gender jsmith |
| 21:04.11 | ibot | I heard jsmith is lesbian. |
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| 21:04.35 | Tene | Huh. News to me. |
| 21:04.50 | jsmith | Yikes! |
| 21:04.58 | jsmith | That's absolutely not true |
| 21:05.14 | Tene | Hey, jsmith, I've got a cute friend I could hook you up with. ;) |
| 21:06.01 | novus_aevum | I am looking for a part-time network admin. Anybody in here have a consulting busisness? |
| 21:06.03 | jsmith | Tene: I'm male, I'm married, and I'm happy thanks... |
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| 21:06.17 | Nja1 | marriage is overrated |
| 21:06.19 | jsmith | ~greet pashdown |
| 21:06.19 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on pashdown |
| 21:06.32 | jsmith | Ooops... not the kind of greeting I was looking for |
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| 21:08.11 | Kemotaha | lol |
| 21:08.30 | herlo | beandog: why thank you |
| 21:08.30 | Tene | ~gender tene |
| 21:08.31 | ibot | I heard tene is gay. |
| 21:08.35 | Tene | Huh. |
| 21:08.57 | beandog | ~gender herlo |
| 21:08.57 | ibot | I heard herlo is lesbian. |
| 21:09.00 | beandog | lol |
| 21:09.07 | beandog | herlo, your blog post :) |
| 21:09.07 | Tene | ~gender beandog |
| 21:09.08 | ibot | I heard beandog is hermaphroditic. |
| 21:09.15 | beandog | call me hermie. |
| 21:10.15 | novus_aevum | Do any of you guys know of a job posting list where I can post an immediate opening for a linux guy that can help us out? We're a fast growing PHP dev company with a desperate need for somebody that can help solve major issues for us when they arise. |
| 21:10.26 | Tene | novus_aevum: plug, sllug-jobs |
| 21:10.28 | pashdown | hola |
| 21:10.28 | elg | htp://plug.org |
| 21:10.43 | novus_aevum | thx |
| 21:11.07 | tensai | elg: when you did your netflix experiment, did you scribble out the postnet barcodes? |
| 21:11.09 | Kemotaha | hola pashdown |
| 21:13.50 | elg | tensai: what part of the experiment? |
| 21:14.01 | tensai | elg: when you changed the return address |
| 21:14.25 | elg | I never did. I just saved up some albuquerque envelopes by sending 2 back at a time |
| 21:14.44 | elg | and from time to time you get ones from other places, usually for more obscure movies |
| 21:14.48 | tensai | ah, I must be remembering incorrectly |
| 21:15.18 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2006/08/31/netflix-experiments |
| 21:15.40 | herlo | beandog: I know |
| 21:15.45 | herlo | beandog: you love it don't you! |
| 21:16.16 | tensai | elg: ok, rereading it clears up my questions |
| 21:16.50 | tensai | I wrote down the boise netflix address, but can never remember if I'm supposed to scratch out the postnet code |
| 21:17.07 | tensai | I think I did last time. my movies always get back, so whatever I'm doing must be working |
| 21:17.31 | elg | i'm sure they get either to the boise one or the one they came from |
| 21:17.35 | elg | in the end :) |
| 21:17.59 | elg | here's an idea |
| 21:18.18 | tensai | I can't recall any that have taken more than a day to get checked in |
| 21:18.27 | elg | next time you get a business reply envelope, scratch out the address and put my address on it, but leave the postcode intact |
| 21:18.29 | elg | put a stamp on of course |
| 21:18.39 | elg | and send me a note. I'll let you know if and when I get it :) |
| 21:18.55 | tensai | hmm. interesting. |
| 21:19.16 | elg | and, whether the postcode has been markerd out by an angry postmaster ;) |
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| 21:38.08 | fozzmoo | goozbach: ping |
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| 21:50.04 | Nja1 | hello all again |
| 21:52.53 | goozbach | fozzmoo: pong |
| 21:53.03 | fozzmoo | Hey! |
| 21:53.18 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Got a weird problem running a Cent 4.5 guest on a Cent 5 domU. |
| 21:53.44 | fozzmoo | Guest boots up to "i8042.c: No controller found" and stops. |
| 21:53.51 | fozzmoo | Seen that before? |
| 21:54.51 | jsmith | Ooooh... that sounds.... nasty |
| 21:55.18 | fozzmoo | Google says it's not just me. :) |
| 21:55.31 | fozzmoo | Just wondered if it's an easy fix. |
| 21:58.23 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo: hey |
| 21:58.47 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: hi |
| 21:59.15 | herlo | jsmith: gonna be anywhere near Massachussetts next week? |
| 21:59.24 | goozbach | I really don't have any spare cycles right now |
| 21:59.29 | goozbach | sorry |
| 21:59.38 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Just wondered if this is like "everyone's having that problem." |
| 22:00.09 | jsmith | herlo: No, but I will be in Boston the 29th through the 1st |
| 22:00.19 | herlo | jsmith: figures |
| 22:00.25 | jsmith | herlo: I'm on vacation for a couple of days next week |
| 22:00.31 | herlo | jsmith: w00t! |
| 22:00.36 | jsmith | Yeah... |
| 22:00.48 | herlo | jsmith: I'll be home that week youre in Boston. I'll tell them you're coming though |
| 22:01.14 | herlo | jsmith: I'm excited for the fall colors. I'll actually be a bit north of Boston... |
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| 22:04.19 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo: whatcha upto? |
| 22:04.31 | fozzmoo | Lakshmi: Just pulling hairs out. |
| 22:04.39 | Lakshmi | oh why? |
| 22:04.41 | Lakshmi | where? |
| 22:04.42 | Lakshmi | why?; |
| 22:04.54 | fozzmoo | Read above. |
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| 22:21.06 | fozzmoo | Turning off the VNC framebuffer may have done the trick. |
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| 22:21.16 | brac | man the stock Ubuntu network scripts seemed better than when I felt it was posted to PLUG controller cards for each channel |
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| 22:31.24 | unum | anyone ever used g++ and postgresql? |
| 22:33.26 | dataw0lf | yes and... yes? |
| 22:33.55 | dataw0lf | or do you mean "used g++ to compile postgresql" |
| 22:34.45 | levi | How else would you compile it? |
| 22:35.40 | dataw0lf | levi: he asked if anyone had used g++ and postgresql |
| 22:35.42 | dataw0lf | I've used both |
| 22:35.45 | dataw0lf | albeit separately. |
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| 22:36.51 | unum | I mean written a c++ application that accesses a postgresql database and compiled that application with g++ |
| 22:37.25 | dataw0lf | with libpq++ ? |
| 22:38.19 | unum | dataw0lf: you answered my question |
| 22:38.26 | dataw0lf | Ah. |
| 22:38.31 | unum | unless anyone else has something better to recommend |
| 22:38.47 | unum | looks like there is a new version |
| 22:38.57 | dataw0lf | I'd probably use a higher level database library that can access multiple databases if you want any sort of portability. |
| 22:39.13 | unum | what do you recommend |
| 22:39.20 | unum | anything specific? |
| 22:39.31 | dataw0lf | No idea. I haven't written a line of C++ code in years. |
| 22:39.56 | dataw0lf | I've heard something about GQL, but can't speak for how well it works. |
| 22:40.47 | fozzmoo | HOLY CRAP. |
| 22:40.58 | fozzmoo | Some Utah company just sent me a 2.2MB piece of spam. |
| 22:41.44 | fozzmoo | http://www.doubletakeads.com/ |
| 22:42.14 | fozzmoo | Looks like they sent a bunch of JPEGs. One of which is 551k |
| 22:42.58 | fozzmoo | Oh, it looks like they also sent one to one of my business partners. So, at least two of these hit my server. |
| 22:43.20 | fozzmoo | JERKS |
| 22:43.21 | nick125 | Do I smell a blacklisting? |
| 22:43.29 | unum | I can never get glade to work how I want |
| 22:43.37 | nick125 | unum: Me neither. |
| 22:43.41 | unum | I can't figure out how to resize an object |
| 22:44.03 | unum | (I'm not using glade with postgresql, btw) |
| 22:44.30 | nick125 | That'd be interesting. |
| 22:44.32 | fozzmoo | I e-mailed her back. Told her I never want to get anything like that from them again- told her I don't know how she got my e-mail address. I told her it was spam, througha nd through but it was worse than common spam because it was TWO POINT TWO MEGABYTES! |
| 22:45.11 | macnewbold | !!!? wow - that's insane |
| 22:45.12 | UtahBot | macnewbold: Error: "!!?" is not a valid command. |
| 22:45.38 | macnewbold | I know a guy who would love to have some buddies nmap her IP address repeatedly for a couple of years straight... |
| 22:45.39 | nick125 | fozzmoo: Don't say that, maybe next time they'll attach a 10MB SWF and PPT file. |
| 22:45.47 | fozzmoo | And then I said, "Please respond and tell me you will take action to (a) remove me from any future mailings and (b) modify your marketing strategy to be a more responsible citazen of the Internet." |
| 22:46.03 | nick125 | s/az/iz |
| 22:46.08 | fozzmoo | nick125: Tene: They're a local business. Phone number and address is right there... |
| 22:46.25 | fozzmoo | If they cause me any more grief, they'll get it back,... 10x in kind. |
| 22:47.05 | nick125 | Now, do you want the aluminum one or the wooden one with spikes in it? |
| 22:47.14 | fozzmoo | spikes, pls. |
| 22:47.29 | fozzmoo | But I think those are called "clubs." |
| 22:47.42 | nick125 | clubs, baseball bats, all the same. |
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| 22:51.40 | klys | ~seen shadowwire |
| 22:51.43 | ibot | shadowwire is currently on #utah (6h 37m 45s). Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 1h 54m 58s, last said: 'had'nt seen that one.'. |
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| 22:58.23 | klys | hey |
| 22:59.58 | levi | spikes would seem counterproductive if you actually intended to hit a baseball. |
| 23:00.18 | stuporglue | How would I go about tunneling HTTP over ssh? I want to only open an SSH port on my server, and be able to access the web server I have running on it |
| 23:00.32 | klys | you think they are an act of fear? |
| 23:01.22 | klys | stuporglue: ssh tunneling usually requires an openvpn port forwarded / open. |
| 23:01.47 | nick125 | Anyone here use KDE4? |
| 23:02.32 | nick125 | I'm wondering if anyone's tried it. |
| 23:02.38 | sjansen | stuporglue: I'm not sure what klys means, but SSH should be enough. |
| 23:03.25 | stuporglue | sjansen: I thought so, I thought I could set up a socks proxy or something with putty, then setup a couple of iptables rules on my home server to forward me requests to apache |
| 23:03.54 | stuporglue | does that sound reasonable? |
| 23:04.15 | sjansen | stuporglue: ssh 8080:foo.example.com:80 foo.example.com |
| 23:04.30 | Tene | sjansen: you forgot your -D |
| 23:04.31 | sjansen | links localhost:8080 |
| 23:04.36 | Tene | or -R |
| 23:04.37 | sjansen | stuporglue: ssh -L 8080:foo.example.com:80 foo.example.com |
| 23:04.38 | Tene | or whatever |
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| 23:04.47 | atoponce | ssh -D 8080 foo.example.com |
| 23:05.11 | klys | ok, so I'm wondering if this can work for GRE tunnels. |
| 23:05.32 | sjansen | ssh port forwarding only works with TCP and a single port. |
| 23:05.45 | sjansen | If you want to do more, you'll need to combine it with something else like PPP. |
| 23:05.53 | klys | cool, so I can do it more than once and run an interactive program like ftp. got it. |
| 23:06.41 | atoponce | the app just needs to support socks |
| 23:07.22 | klys | wait, if telnet.exe doesn't support socks5 I have to forget it? |
| 23:08.15 | atoponce | yes. if telnet.exe does not support socks, then you can't tunnel your telnet connection through ssh |
| 23:08.24 | klys | cool thx |
| 23:08.25 | sjansen | Sure you can, using -L. |
| 23:08.38 | klys | better awesome thanx d00d |
| 23:08.47 | atoponce | but then you need a proxy on the other side |
| 23:09.02 | klys | such as, squid? |
| 23:09.23 | atoponce | yup |
| 23:09.30 | klys | eww! |
| 23:09.45 | atoponce | squid is the coolness |
| 23:10.08 | klys | squid is the lock you out at work-ness |
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| 23:10.44 | atoponce | don't blame squid for your works policies |
| 23:10.56 | klys | neither do I we only have phones anyway |
| 23:11.09 | sjansen | ssh -L 2323:system2.example.com:23 system1.example.com |
| 23:11.16 | klys | ok, |
| 23:12.13 | sjansen | Meaning, listen locally on 2323, ssh to system1, pass packets from localhost:2323 through system1 to system2:23 |
| 23:12.29 | klys | n1c3 |
| 23:12.38 | sjansen | Not as flexible as SOCKS, but still doesn't require a proxy. |
| 23:13.41 | klys | there goes sjansen with the last word; congrats this is a real kicker. |
| 23:13.46 | atoponce | it does if you need web access. 'ssh -L 8080:foo.example.com:80 foo.example.com' doesn't work... |
| 23:14.18 | sjansen | atoponce: It does work for Web access. I tested it before posting. |
| 23:14.19 | atoponce | you need a web proxy, like squid, then 'ssh -L 8080:foo.example.com:3128 foo.example.com' |
| 23:14.37 | sjansen | Although https is trickier. |
| 23:14.45 | atoponce | hmmm. wonder what i was doing wrong then. i couldn't get a site to resolve |
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| 23:16.35 | brac | Lenore Legree is a much better than Perl5. |
| 23:16.48 | Tene | -chat Perl 6 |
| 23:16.49 | brac | Perl 6 talk... |
| 23:16.58 | Tene | -chat PHP 5 |
| 23:16.59 | brac | PHP 5 too. |
| 23:18.14 | klys | and we don't care about the perl 5, talkin' 'bout the old style... and we don't care about the PHP 5, talkin' 'bout the new style too |
| 23:18.48 | klys | -chat python |
| 23:18.49 | brac | python was actually about 4.5 hours |
| 23:19.00 | Tene | -chat perl6 |
| 23:19.00 | brac | perl6 was |
| 23:19.54 | atoponce | -chat Tene |
| 23:19.54 | brac | Tene is Tenebram, or the images in 10 minutes to spare the caffeine |
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| 23:28.25 | klys | ~blurb |
| 23:28.46 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 23:29.47 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 23:32.26 | klys | ~quote orcl |
| 23:32.32 | klys | ~quote nok |
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| 23:39.12 | brac | ~kill findlay |
| 23:39.13 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse anti-tachyon gun at findlay |
| 23:40.33 | elg | who was I talking about trend plotting with yesterday? |
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| 23:44.51 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 23:44.59 | maquis | ouch |
| 23:45.07 | maquis | that hurts |
| 23:46.12 | SpecialZ | maquis: What'd you break? |
| 23:46.37 | maquis | i didn't do nuttin! |
| 23:46.52 | maquis | it aint my fault |
| 23:47.09 | SpecialZ | I hope mine goes down around the end of November |
| 23:50.10 | elg | grrr. netflix sent the second movie in my queue not the first |
| 23:50.14 | elg | and the first is available |
| 23:51.06 | elg | ~blame maquis |
| 23:51.07 | ibot | ACTION blames maquis (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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