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| 01:06.16 | nick125 | GtkWarning: Ignoring the separator setting < Any idea why my glade application is giving that to me when I try to run it? |
| 01:07.11 | nick125 | I was hoping someone here might have heard of that error and might have some insight as to why it's doing that.. |
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| 01:53.49 | levi | Good evening. |
| 02:16.45 | tensai | yowza! would you pay $10 a night for wifi internet at a hotel? |
| 02:17.02 | levi | Um, no. |
| 02:17.28 | tensai | http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg03682.html |
| 02:17.29 | brac | [Discounted Internet Access at Hyatt RegencyAlbuquerue for NANOG Guests] |
| 02:21.53 | Lakshmi | hi |
| 02:22.13 | Lakshmi | tensai, you're going to nanog? |
| 02:22.16 | Lakshmi | ~ping |
| 02:22.16 | ibot | pong |
| 02:22.40 | tensai | Lakshmi: no. the "deals" certainly aren't enticing me either. |
| 02:22.50 | Lakshmi | huh? |
| 02:22.58 | Lakshmi | A) This is sargun? |
| 02:23.10 | Lakshmi | B) What are you talking about -- "deals" |
| 02:25.28 | tensai | Lakshmi: $10 a night for internet at the official nanog hotel. that's not much of a deal. |
| 02:25.51 | Lakshmi | tensai: Are you going to NANOG this year? |
| 02:26.12 | Lakshmi | Or was that just a random paste? |
| 02:26.16 | Lakshmi | for fun |
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| 03:10.45 | mrpull-wc | good evening |
| 03:17.40 | tensai | mrpull-wc: are you in the wc? |
| 03:18.04 | mrpull-wc | tensai: i'm tinkering with WeeChat |
| 03:18.37 | mrpull-wc | yet another nick (temporarily) |
| 03:19.07 | mrpull-wc | what started as a search for why i couldn't split vertically in irssi lead to a weechat experiment |
| 03:19.13 | mrpull-wc | so far i like it |
| 03:20.00 | klys | what is weechat in comparison |
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| 03:20.14 | brac | ~lart was not eaten by me! |
| 03:20.14 | ibot | DoSes was not eaten by me! |
| 03:21.03 | mrpull-wc | i don't really use any power-features of IRC, so it feels pretty similar to irssi |
| 03:23.32 | klys | is it text-mode |
| 03:23.56 | mrpull-wc | klys: text-mode with gui modes in development |
| 03:24.48 | mrpull-wc | i like screen+irssi, but I like the ability to do vertical splits (which I haven't figured out in irssi) |
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| 03:25.12 | mrpull-wc | am i overlooking something obvious? |
| 03:25.42 | klys | no, irssi doesn't split vertically. |
| 03:26.45 | mrpull-wc | the windowing in irssi has been a bit difficult for me to get comfortable with |
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| 03:28.55 | klys | klyk: wzup |
| 03:29.03 | klyk | klys: namuch |
| 03:29.08 | klys | hey man |
| 03:29.30 | klys | so how do I do it? |
| 03:29.49 | mrpull-wc | klys: the vertical split? |
| 03:29.52 | klys | yeah |
| 03:30.01 | mrpull-wc | /window splitv |
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| 03:30.36 | klys | how do I eliminate the nicklist? |
| 03:30.39 | Supaplex | -chat fozzmoo moos |
| 03:30.39 | brac | fozzmoo moos |
| 03:30.45 | fozzmoo | herlo: p[]nig |
| 03:30.54 | mrpull-wc | klys: i don't know yet... it is annoying me too |
| 03:31.19 | klys | how do I switch to the other chat |
| 03:32.21 | mrpull-wc | /window up or /window down (or right, left) |
| 03:32.33 | mrpull-wc | i made aliases /wu /wd /wl /wr |
| 03:32.44 | klys | k |
| 03:33.45 | klyk | you sure? |
| 03:34.24 | klys | I think to switch between windows would be a good idea |
| 03:34.41 | mrpull-wc | klys: you can do alt+2, alt+3, etc to switch buffers in a window |
| 03:35.09 | mrpull-wc | or esc,2 etc |
| 03:36.04 | klys | hmm ok |
| 03:36.23 | klyk | you sure? |
| 03:36.29 | klyk | ok |
| 03:39.39 | mrpull-wc | /set look_nicklist = off |
| 03:39.56 | klys | n1c3 |
| 03:40.26 | mrpull-wc | weechat could possibly be my new console client... |
| 03:40.33 | mrpull-wc | i like the aspell plugin |
| 03:40.53 | klyk | how about eliminating the times on each tagline? |
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| 04:05.38 | mrpull-wc | klyk: it looks like /set look_buffer_timestamp = "" will get rid of it |
| 04:06.25 | klyk | thx |
| 04:12.35 | herlo | fozzmoo: pong |
| 04:57.23 | mrpull-wc | bind functions |
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| 05:47.31 | Sargun | nick125, Hey. |
| 05:59.32 | vontrapp | http://www.nextthing.org/archives/2005/08/07/fun-with-http-headers |
| 06:03.03 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:03.17 | Sargun | I hate Equinix. |
| 06:03.46 | vontrapp | Sargun: don't tell me that's about the bundy quotes |
| 06:03.55 | vontrapp | you can go dance somewhere else |
| 06:04.13 | Sargun | bundy? |
| 06:04.23 | Sargun | expensive? |
| 06:05.48 | Sargun | ~bundy |
| 06:05.50 | Sargun | ~vontrapp |
| 06:05.51 | ibot | vontrapp is, like, anonymous, or an escape artist, or hans' brother |
| 06:08.25 | vontrapp | so how do i get the mime type of a file in c? |
| 06:30.05 | jnbek | vontrapp: http://www.koders.com/c/fid7830845B6BC3D0C4F43603E6ACF3AC677D05176D.aspx |
| 06:32.21 | vontrapp | hmm, i think i'll rather use popen("file -i") |
| 06:34.21 | jnbek | that works too :) |
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| 07:16.54 | Jad | hello |
| 07:17.28 | vontrapp | yo |
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| 07:23.40 | Jad | i remember patent application cost few years ago was 10k$, is it still the same? |
| 07:54.43 | Supaplex | http://users.surfthe.us/scotte/my_hp5si_is_tEh_bootp_retard.avi |
| 07:55.07 | Supaplex | if you're an hp jetdirect wizard, and you figure out why I can't keep settings, you're my hero. |
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| 09:34.11 | TimRiker | anyone recommend someone for xen virtual hosting? debian preferred, and reliable network important. full disclosure a la xmisssion strongly preferred. I don't think xmission offers vm style hosting. |
| 09:34.29 | Sargun | You're awake? |
| 09:34.32 | Sargun | goozbach. |
| 09:35.03 | Sargun | http://www.neverblock.com/ is owned partially by goozbach |
| 09:40.02 | TimRiker | hmm. full disclosure? ie do they post outages publicly as well as switch load, etc? |
| 09:41.06 | TimRiker | "Your choice of supported Linux OS" sounds promising. :) |
| 09:42.09 | Sargun | heh |
| 09:44.10 | TimRiker | thx for the lead. I'll look into it. |
| 09:45.20 | Sargun | No problem |
| 09:45.41 | Sargun | I'm sure you could convince the gooze to give you a free server :-P |
| 09:47.15 | Sargun | TimRiker, doing a late night programming session? |
| 09:47.27 | Sargun | messing with network program in BZFlag? |
| 09:47.30 | Sargun | Reducing latency |
| 09:47.45 | TimRiker | heh. domain and web server cleanup. syncing a ton of imap accounts onto a new box, etc. |
| 09:48.09 | Sargun | Aw. |
| 09:48.22 | Sargun | For some reason bzflag hacking sounds cooler. |
| 09:50.11 | TimRiker | yeah. I agree. |
| 09:50.26 | TimRiker | well, I'm off to bed. you should sleep too. :) |
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| 15:15.00 | elg | ~onjoin elg -chat |
| 15:15.00 | ibot | ok, elg |
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| 16:27.24 | mrpull-wc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.35 | findlay-w | ~move mrpull-wc to 2 |
| 16:28.40 | ibot | ACTION packs up mrpull-wc to 2's stuff and drives it into the ocean. |
| 16:30.58 | mrpull-wc | ah the joys of trying out a new irc client |
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| 16:32.44 | findlay-w | decriptor: what's the matter, can't ssh into your work box? :) |
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| 16:33.29 | findlay-w | heh |
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| 16:37.04 | brac | ~lart went |
| 16:37.04 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on went |
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| 17:36.06 | brac | is % some magical new creature in the same disk. |
| 17:37.19 | Supaplex | hi elg |
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| 17:56.01 | sontek | haha |
| 17:56.25 | findlay-w | wow, somebody looked at the topic?! twice? |
| 18:00.53 | Supaplex | I don't use virtual desktops anymore. I've upgraded to desktop tabs. |
| 18:00.55 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 18:09.39 | sontek | I use a desktop cube! |
| 18:11.51 | Supaplex | resistance is futile |
| 18:12.09 | findlay-w | I don't use a computer anymore |
| 18:12.15 | findlay-w | I do everything mentally! |
| 18:12.37 | Supaplex | I think you do it just to cheat in nethack |
| 18:26.52 | findlay-w | elg: this is something I've wondered much about: why not take advantage of temperature differences natural or artificial to conserve energy? |
| 18:27.13 | findlay-w | like if it were cold outside you could use the outside temperature to cool your refrigerator |
| 18:27.28 | findlay-w | the same for cooling the house |
| 18:27.55 | findlay-w | or why not pipe heat from the oven outside if it's a hot day like the dryer? |
| 18:28.32 | findlay-w | elg: in response to your blog on making bread |
| 18:29.18 | findlay-w | seems a waste to me to expect your AC to absorb all of the heat energy of the oven if you could cycle it all outside directly |
| 18:29.39 | findlay-w | but it's probably not very much after all |
| 18:34.20 | elg | findlay-w: enlightened places do some of that |
| 18:34.33 | elg | in santa fe, we had solar heating that assisted the hot water heater |
| 18:34.43 | elg | in one of our rental homes |
| 18:35.02 | elg | even in the winter, our house was entirely passive solar heated, except on cloudy days |
| 18:35.23 | elg | piping oven heat outside isn't so easy though |
| 18:35.48 | elg | for the simple reason that you're not supposed to be losing any heat (maybe an "I'm done" switch to suck the hot air out?) |
| 18:35.58 | findlay-w | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 18:36.09 | elg | if you could capture the heat that's escaping, you could just keep it there |
| 18:36.26 | findlay-w | well that implies a transfer of some kind |
| 18:36.37 | findlay-w | I guess heat is 'low quality' energy |
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| 20:31.35 | brac | the thing with part-ownership. could be running "Fedora Core" |
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| 21:59.20 | Sargun | nick125, |
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| 22:21.03 | bonez44 | virtual desktops...eh? |
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| 22:37.21 | Sargun | linux |
| 22:37.25 | Sargun | has these nifty things |
| 22:38.26 | bonez44 | linux is all things nifty...of course |
| 22:41.13 | sinuhe | linux is a kernel: linux is the gateway to all nifty things. :-) |
| 22:42.02 | bonez44 | clearly |
| 22:42.27 | wps | how would you do the equivalent of PHP's isset() in a bash script? |
| 22:42.59 | Sargun | Linux controls niftyness. |
| 22:44.53 | Sargun | wps, what is the variable? |
| 22:45.01 | sontek | Linux is pretty good |
| 22:45.05 | wps | one that is being passed in |
| 22:45.08 | bonez44 | it's great |
| 22:45.11 | wps | so from the command line, I do |
| 22:45.15 | wps | sh script.sh var |
| 22:45.37 | wps | well, actually, to be specific, it's a second |
| 22:45.41 | wps | sh script.sh var1 var2 |
| 22:45.53 | wps | var2 should be available inside the script as $2, right? |
| 22:46.21 | sontek | if '$0' = "" ? |
| 22:46.29 | sontek | yeah |
| 22:46.51 | wps | I want to check if it's not there, so I'd use "$2" != '', right? |
| 22:46.53 | Sargun | UCK="John" ./script.sh UCK USERNAME |
| 22:46.53 | Sargun | True |
| 22:46.55 | Sargun | like that? |
| 22:47.06 | sontek | You can also do like if [!-z "$2"] |
| 22:47.28 | wps | what's the bang, dash, z? |
| 22:48.16 | Supaplex | help test (on the command line) |
| 22:48.23 | Sargun | xbmodder@god ~ $ UCK="John" ./script.sh UCK USERNAMEJ |
| 22:48.23 | Sargun | True |
| 22:48.23 | Sargun | False |
| 22:48.24 | Sargun | like that? |
| 22:48.30 | Supaplex | ! = not. iirc, -z = empty string |
| 22:48.31 | UtahBot | Supaplex: Error: "=" is not a valid command. |
| 22:48.44 | Sargun | for i in $@ |
| 22:48.44 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.44 | Sargun | done |
| 22:49.21 | herlo | check this out: |
| 22:49.22 | herlo | http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/12/girlfriend-agrees-to-use-linux-for-a-month/ |
| 22:49.46 | sontek | pssh, my gf uses Linux full time |
| 22:50.34 | wps | I got this error: |
| 22:50.36 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.20 | herlo | wps: the ! means not |
| 22:52.31 | herlo | the -z means the file is empty and the other refers to the file |
| 22:52.32 | wps | right |
| 22:52.40 | herlo | I thought you asked that |
| 22:52.55 | herlo | but you need to have spaces in your command like this |
| 22:53.03 | herlo | if [ ! -z "$2" ] |
| 22:53.14 | herlo | and its actually preferred to use double [[ like this |
| 22:53.25 | herlo | if [[ ! -z "$2" ]] assuming you're using bash that is |
| 22:53.37 | wps | why double brackets? |
| 22:53.38 | sontek | its preferred to not use that since its a bashism =) |
| 22:53.58 | wps | this… |
| 22:53.58 | wps | if [ "$2" != "" ]; then |
| 22:54.00 | wps | …worked |
| 22:54.13 | wps | would… |
| 22:54.14 | wps | if [ ! -z "$2" |
| 22:54.18 | wps | …be considered more proper? |
| 22:54.21 | herlo | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashPitfalls#head-ad3f850ae3fdcf9751b0eef6451b92ee1d040bef |
| 22:54.28 | herlo | wps: you need the closing ] |
| 22:54.38 | wps | (sorry… cut and paste error) |
| 22:54.48 | herlo | wps the first is for comparing integers, the second for strings |
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| 22:55.23 | herlo | the [[ however doesn't do arithmetic comparisons, only strings... |
| 22:55.25 | herlo | fozzmoo: ping |
| 22:55.47 | nick125 | Sargun: hi |
| 22:57.17 | Sargun | nick125, ! |
| 22:57.19 | Sargun | Its you! |
| 23:01.12 | fozzmoo | awh. |
| 23:01.23 | sontek | ~hug fozzmoo |
| 23:01.24 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs fozzmoo |
| 23:06.07 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo!! |
| 23:06.14 | fozzmoo | meow |
| 23:07.12 | Lakshmi | sup?? |
| 23:19.22 | Supaplex | -poke Lakshmi |
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| 23:19.47 | Lakshmi | hi Supaplex |
| 23:20.47 | Supaplex | hello :) |
| 23:21.41 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 23:23.03 | Supaplex | rehashing my openwrt. Apparently they only ship lp/parport modules on mips/bcrm. I'm on x86. |
| 23:24.55 | Lakshmi | ah sounds fun |
| 23:25.14 | Supaplex | http://users.surfthe.us/scotte/my_hp5si_is_tEh_bootp_retard.avi |
| 23:25.38 | Supaplex | I'm going to use the parport to workaround that printers' braindead networking fu. |
| 23:43.26 | nick125 | Sargun: ping |
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| 23:45.22 | brac | if you don't have a sec |
| 23:46.04 | Supaplex | humm I wonder... |
| 23:46.06 | Supaplex | -lart ~lart -lart ~lart |
| 23:46.19 | Supaplex | well of course. nm. |