IRC log for #utah on 20071012

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00:57.29sontekstarzykat: Get your tomboy ready, GIS is going to be sweet!
00:58.05starzykatweeeee
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01:17.02starzykatwoof
01:18.46sontekstarzykat: you should ask this guy for an internship
01:19.35starzykathehe maybe but I am not good enough at GIS yet.
01:19.55starzykatmaybe this Summer :D
01:20.28sontekbut you can impress him with your python skillz
01:20.59starzykathaha what python skills?  The only thing I know about python is the real ones that bite
01:21.09starzykatI stay away from that
01:22.17starzykatpretty sweet though
01:46.56vontrapphow do i ask my openwrt which ports are currently forwarded via upnp?
01:47.55tensaivontrapp: iptables -t nat -L
01:59.50starzykatI want to do internship bitch work for Environmental GIS
02:02.33vontrappis there a program to turn a bind server into a dyndns server?
02:04.51elgvontrapp: maybe this http://linux.yyz.us/nsupdate/
02:52.03nick125Anyone here know of a python object-based database?
02:52.25Supaplexpg is an oo database. is that sufficent?
02:52.57nick125I mean something that I can push a regular python object to...I don't want to real with sqlobject or sqlalchemy
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03:26.47elgstupid undergrads
03:28.17elgI'm getting swamped with people who overload themselves with 2 jobs or whatever and want to be considered distance ed students. instead of taking the 15 minutes to pass the lab off on campus, they want to email them in, and everyone I say yes to is another one I have to grade every week
03:35.59elgi'm loath to take pity on them, though. they had a whole month with nothing due and plenty of warning, and I encouraged people with tough schedules to get ahead of the game and pass things off early
03:37.18Supaplexpity^3
03:40.48sontekyou guys know the difference between kamikaze and white russian on openwrt
03:41.13elgversion names probably
03:44.19Supaplexwr is older
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03:58.21Supaplex-chat ~lart
03:58.22brac~lart had
03:58.22ibotnabs the moon and broadsides had with the sea of tranquility
04:08.33sontekI run hyperwrt + Thibor on it right now
04:08.38sontekthinking aobut switching to just openwrt
04:10.08Supaplexoh? why?
04:12.09sontekSupaplex: I feel the need to hack on something embedded, and openwrt has a decent community
04:12.46sontekIts kind of like when pregnant women get cravings for icecream with pickles in them, I don't know why, but I know I want to =)
04:13.43Supaplexhahaha ok
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04:13.52SupaplexI wonder wondering what the former offered
04:13.56SupaplexI use openwrt as well
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04:14.11sontekback when I set this up it was supposedly the best out thrre
04:14.15sontekbut its been a few years
04:14.18SupaplexI'm getting ready to list a few openwrt friendly routers online.
04:14.21sontekand openwrt has grown pretty big since then
04:14.52sontekdo you know the benefits of using squashfs vs ext2? Besides saving space?
04:15.10bonez45help..I need to email a 25 mb powerpoint  (.ppt) file, to someone...and my regular email server chokes on this..I have comcast so I am trying their webmail tool, but it doesn't seem to want to load this file from my linux machine.....suggestions?
04:15.16SupaplexI don't think it's a big deal. most of your r/w files are pinned on /tmp
04:15.24Supaplexwww.yousendit.com ?
04:15.32sontekgmail.com
04:15.53Supaplexyousendit accepts 100mb attachments.
04:16.01bonez45really...ok
04:16.29Supaplexand they're not real attachements. they're hosted storage so you don't blow the walls off some poor saps 4mb email attachment window. :P
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04:21.45bonez45Supaplex: ok, signed up...sending a file now
04:22.05bonez45only sending a 25 mb file attachment...
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04:41.07leviGood evening.
04:41.28bonez45evening, Mr. Strauss....
04:45.12leviYou must be confusing me with that Blue Danube dude.  I think he's dead. ;P
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04:45.51bonez45just was tacking on family name of the pants maker.....from the goldrush era.....
04:45.52bonez45sorry
04:47.12SargunIts bonez45 !
04:47.19SargunDid you build your asterisk PBX?
04:47.20bonez45that's me
04:47.28SargunDid you build your website?
04:47.34bonez45Sargun: havent' yet....need to get some new hardware first....
04:47.43SargunFor website
04:47.44bonez45and website is on backburner for the moment
04:47.45Sargunor PBX?
04:50.58sontekI didn't see anything mentioned for upnp on openwrt settings, does it have support for it?
04:51.25SargunWhat is uPNP for?
04:52.30SargunI thought it was unplug and pray?
04:53.39Sargunhttp://www.grc.com/UnPnP/UnPnP.htm
04:53.40brac[GRC | UnPlug n' Pray - Disable the Dangerous UPnP Internet Server  ]
04:53.45sontekSargun: it autodetects devices on a network and does some NAT traversal to let the devices to pass through the interwebs!
04:54.07SargunSeems like a bad idea
04:54.07sontekI use it for my xbox media center and azureus
04:54.18sontekits a great idea :D
04:55.02Sargunhttp://xbmodder.us
04:55.10Sargunhttp://slashdot.org
04:55.17SargunI wonder what brac's regex is
04:55.19Sargunhttp://www.slashdot.org
04:55.21Sargunhttp://www.slashdot.org/
04:55.41Sargunhttp://www.slashdot.org/http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl
04:55.42SargunShttp://slashdot.org/firehose.pl
04:55.44Sargunhttp://slashdot.org/firehose.pl
04:55.48SargunStupid bot.
04:56.12sontekwww.slashdot.org/firefhose.pl
04:56.18sontekhes confused
04:56.26sontekhttp://www.google.com
04:56.38sontekbrac: hows it going?
04:56.38bracbeats me
04:56.48sontekbrac: why aren't you reading http headers?
04:56.49bracI can't do that Dave.
04:56.56sontekbrac: but you did it earlier
04:57.46Sargunhttp://xbmodder.us
04:57.53Sargunhttp://xbmodder.us/index.html
04:57.56Sargunhm.
04:58.00sontekhttp://blog.sontek.net
04:58.01SargunCrappy, piece of crap bot.
04:58.06Sargun216.31.27.106 xbmodder.us - [11/Oct/2007:21:57:53 -0700] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 404 345 "-" "-"
04:58.07SargunWAIT!
04:58.10SargunHe get's.
04:58.39Sargunhttp://xbmodder.us/index.php
04:58.39Sargun216.31.27.106 xbmodder.us - [11/Oct/2007:21:58:19 -0700] "GET /index.php HTTP/1.1" 200 16326 "-" "-"
04:58.39SargunHe is just stupid
04:58.54SargunOrgName:    One Connect IP, Inc.
05:03.50bonez45Supaplex: thanks for the tip..it worked..
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05:18.19leviHah, it's hilarious to read airplane on a treadmill discussions.
05:28.46leviSome people have a stupendous misunderstanding of how the wheels on an airplane differ from those on a car.
05:29.31SargunHeh.
05:34.11SargunWhy is soliciting Sex illegal, but soliciting for useless products/religion is legal?
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06:18.34sontekSupaplex: ping
06:18.49Supaplexpong
06:19.06Supaplexsup?
06:19.15sontekI just copied openwrt over to my router and now I don't have internets, but I have ssh access to the router
06:19.22sontekcan you think of anything that would do that?
06:19.39Supaplex-chat about Sargun installed illegal internets for
06:19.39bracincorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat'
06:19.40sontekand the admin page gives me 404
06:19.43Supaplex-chat about Sargun installed
06:19.43bracSargun installed
06:20.05Supaplexit has an httpd, but no content.
06:20.13sontekahh, that makes sense
06:20.33sontekwell, is there a default root pw?
06:20.36Supaplexyou have to setup the interfaces to
06:20.48Sargun-chat about sargun
06:20.48bracsargun had
06:20.49SupaplexI don't recall. I logged in locally
06:20.51Sargun-chat sargun  is
06:20.52bracsargun is afraid he'll speak his mind powers
06:21.00SargunNooo!
06:21.35Supaplexhttp://users.surfthe.us/scotte/ebay/openwrt_special/ I'll be listing a few of these next
06:23.11sontekso by default it doesn't come with any admin page?
06:23.30sonteki'm just trying to figure out what it'll take to get routing back up
06:24.09sontekeverything I read says there is a web interface
06:25.07Supaplexadmin pages are x-wrt
06:25.29Supaplexmaybe that's the new thing. I'm 0.02 revs old school already now.
06:26.35Supaplexhttp://imgs.xkcd.com/linux_user_at_best_buy.png <3
06:27.24maquisurgh
06:27.51maquisi never got that one
06:28.38maquis*YAWN*
06:29.04SargunMe neither.
06:29.07Sargunmaquis, tired?
06:29.13maquisSargun: long day
06:29.24maquisstarted work around 7:45 this morning
06:29.35maquisleft work at 8:10
06:29.50maquisscott got paged 3 minutes before we made it home
06:30.04maquisgot home and have been working on some issues since
06:30.09SargunHe's ops?
06:30.12Sargunor IT?
06:30.18maquiswe're both software devs
06:30.31SargunGot paged for what then?
06:30.40maquissystem problems
06:30.44SargunAh.
06:30.48sontekok, it just didn't have a password on root, i'm in in the router now
06:30.52maquiswe're both on-call tonight
06:30.52sontekjust need to get the interfaces up
06:30.57maquiswhich should make things interesting
06:31.08SargunYou'd think they'd have people who are build to be up all night.
06:31.12Sargunsontek, you are scott?
06:31.23maquisnope
06:31.35maquisscott is thesuperbigfrog when he's around
06:31.38SargunHe's just randomly talking about routers?
06:31.39Sargunoh
06:32.00maquisscott's on a conference-call, i think
06:32.18SargunShouldn't you have a system that's good enough that doesn't need people to be on call?
06:32.29Lakshmion call, doctors?
06:32.30maquisSargun: devs support the software they write around here... we know it best, so we're the ones who fight the fires
06:32.41Supaplexhttp://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/wikiboard_huge.jpg nice lol
06:32.52maquis(it's also good motivation to build the system well)
06:32.57Supaplexwoops. nsfw :P
06:34.25Sargunheh
06:34.35Sargunmaquis, Devs, supporting!? unheard of.
07:09.51Sargunmaquis, Scott still on call?
07:23.13sontekFlashing from default linksys firmware doubled my speeds
07:23.20sontekDownload Speed: 7149 kbps (893.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
07:23.21sontekUpload Speed: 1463 kbps (182.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
07:23.31sontekthats with openwrt
07:24.32Sargunlol
07:24.53sontekI was at like 4000/300 before :P
07:25.09sontek~openwrt++
09:02.43Supaplexnice :)
09:03.11Supaplex~onjoin Supaplex -chat ~lart
09:03.11ibotok, Supaplex
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14:31.38maquis*yawn*
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14:42.02TeneHuh.  Damian Conway uses mIRC.  Somehow it still surprises me when people use Windows.
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14:45.59sjansen~hug ibot
14:45.59ibotACTION hugs ibot
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14:49.20elg-chat sjansen
14:49.31bracsjansen had voice?
14:49.44goozbachhowdy sjansen
14:50.59goozbachenjoying your WUXGA?
14:51.01goozbachpunk
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15:12.54elgsigh. fugal.com is embarrasing me
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15:13.33elgmy wife gets a failure notice that a message was spam filtered. obviously not from her, but because of the forged headers she gets it
15:14.04elgnormally I just ignore things like that, but decide since it's family to send them a nice note admonishing them to wise up and not play the autoreply to spammers game
15:14.28elgand my note comes back undeliverable: no such user postmaster@fugal.com
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15:38.57tristanbobanyone watch heroes?
15:39.03tristanbobI think I just found Ando
15:39.13tristanbobhttp://get.live.com/edu/sysreq
15:39.19tristanbobhttp://get.live.com/images/WL/Merchandising/en/us/edu/WL_merch_img20_businessman%5B1%5D.jpg
15:41.50sjansenIf I'm not mistaken, it looks like he's preparing to perform the crane kick from Karate Kid.
15:44.07elgdid one of the cast members get lost or something?
15:44.15elgoh wait, that's a different show
15:53.44tristanbobthe actor must have been a model before (like all actors)
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16:08.59maquis~quote amzn
16:16.04sjansen~quote scox
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16:43.35Tenemaquis: cd ~/src/kernel/ ; make -j
16:43.38Tene>.>
16:43.46maquis:)
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17:13.33elgbeautiful. someone's suing redhat and novell for patent infringement. apparently virtual desktops is patented or something
17:13.43elg</hearsay>
17:13.57beandogwell those crazy linux devs really are a bunch of freeloaders.
17:14.00sontekhaha, yeah, we were just talking about that in #utos
17:14.07beandogWhat makes them think theyre the only smart people around?  Gotta share the wealth.
17:14.15sontekI was wondering why they didn't go after sun
17:14.20sontekCDE had virtual desktops first =)
17:14.34sontekbut you can look at: http://www.vtwm.org/vtwm-family.html
17:14.36brac[vtwm | vtwm family]
17:14.46sontekit gives a timeline of virtual desktop managers
17:14.54sontektheres some there prior to the patent ;P
17:15.28elgI think someone should obtain a patent for office productivity using email, and sue the world
17:16.08elgthe more absurd the patent the better. maybe eventually something will be done
17:16.15sontekwhats funny is microsoft actually filed to get this same patent in 2001, and no one mentioned the patent they are sueing for :P
17:16.44sjansenAh, but the company suing apparently purchased the patent from AT&T. It's an old patent, so prior art might be a problem.
17:16.52sontekthe ms patent: http://tinyurl.com/2kyg64
17:16.58brac[United States Patent: 7010755]
17:17.15sonteksjansen: from what I read, the patent was from 1991
17:17.21sontekbut I didn't read everything
17:17.39sjansenhttp://www.google.com/patents?id=3tUkAAAAEBAJ&dq=5,072,412 <-- Filed 1987
17:17.59elgunfortunately virtual desktops isn't obvious enough to the general public, most of which have never even conceived of the idea
17:18.14^Migs^http://www.hugeurl.com/?Y2JmMmQ0MTYwY2Y3MTIwM2ExZGRkN2FlOGM1YTUzOTgmMTImVm0wd2QyUXlVWGxXYTJoV1YwZG9WVll3Wkc5alJsWjBUVlpPV0Zac2JETlhhMUpUVmpGYWMySkVUbGhoTWsweFZqQmFTMk15U2tWVWJHaG9UVmhDVVZadGVGWmxSbGw1Vkd0c2FsSnRhRzlVVjNOM1pVWmFkR05GZEZSTlZUVkpWbTEwYTFkSFNrZGpTRUpYVFVad1NGUlVSbUZqVmtaMFVteFNUbUY2UlRGV1ZFb3dWakZhV0ZOcmJGSmlSMmhZV1d4b2IwMHhXbGRYYlVaclVsUkdXbGt3WkRSVk1rcElaSHBHVjJFeVVYZFpWRVpyVTBaT2NscEhjRlJTVlhCWlZrWldhMVV5VW5OalJtUllZbFZhY1ZscldtRmxWbVJ5VjI1a1YwM
17:18.24elgso this is not a good absurd patent and won't help anything, and will just be a nuisance and blood pressure problem for the geek population
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17:18.52^Migs^hmmm, whole URL didn't show up
17:18.59sjansenSorry, Xerox not AT&T. Yes, it was granted in 1991.
17:24.54sontekand vtwm was released in 1990, so its somewhat prior
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17:26.24shadowwirewhat is up yo.
17:27.50elgyou have to stop using virtual desktops. they're patented
17:28.58*** topic/#utah by elg -> The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Switching virtual desktops while in this channel is forbidden. We will not tolerate patent infringement.
17:30.26sontekWhat ya gonna do about 'dat?! :D
17:31.12elg~kick sontek for patent infringement
17:31.13ibotACTION kicks sontek for patent infringement
17:34.01shadowwire-me spins his cubicle
17:34.05shadowwirecrap
17:35.31shadowwire~eat sontek for lunch
17:35.32ibotACTION eats sontek for lunch and falls over dead
17:35.41sontekthats what you get!
17:36.03shadowwire~eat sontek for a light snack
17:36.03ibotACTION eats sontek for a light snack and falls over dead
17:36.19shadowwiresontek = poison
17:36.46shadowwirebrak: sontek=poison
17:37.02shadowwire-caht about poison
17:37.12shadowwirecrap again...
17:37.18shadowwire-chat about poison
17:37.19bracpoison is
17:37.42shadowwireo.. k...
17:38.23Tene-chat about shadowwire
17:38.24bracshadowwire did
17:38.27Tene-chat about findlay
17:38.28bracfindlay is bothered because even with transfers?
17:38.31elg-chat the sjansen
17:38.31bracthe sjansen method.
17:38.32shadowwiredid not.
17:38.42elg-chat the findlay
17:38.42bracthe findlay constant ($200)
17:38.46elg-chat the elg
17:38.46bracthe elg fan Group.
17:38.52elg-chat the jsmith
17:38.53bracthe jsmith reply to an American tech support files
17:39.00shadowwireyou have a fan group?
17:39.00elg-chat the emcnabb
17:39.02bracthe emcnabb sympathizer!
17:39.19elgnaturally. don't all celebrities and superheros?
17:39.36shadowwireoh.. yeah...
17:40.11shadowwireso, do you have like, special powers and stuff.
17:40.18shadowwire?
17:40.25elgi have some stuff
17:40.29shadowwirecool.
17:40.35elgsome special stuff even
17:40.43shadowwirenice.
17:42.29Tene-chat about the tene
17:42.30bracthe tene
17:42.44elgthe tene is teh c00l
17:42.48elg-chat the tene
17:42.49bracthe tene is Tenebram, or the king of the SGI truck pulling up to the airport I'd shoot me
17:43.24shadowwireI'd shoot you too.
17:43.26fozzmooIs anyone having problems going to www.birdcinema.com ?
17:43.37elgno, I haven't got a reason to go there
17:43.41shadowwirenot last time I checked.
17:43.41fozzmooThis is one of my clients. They're having trouble with the site...
17:43.42Tenefozzmoo: is "not caring about birds" a problem?
17:43.49fozzmooI can't duplicate the problem at all.
17:43.59fozzmooI've tried Windows browsers too.
17:44.22fozzmooi was hoping it was a non-Linux-Firefox problem. i told him if it was he should just put a note on the site that said, "Best viewed in Firefox on Linux."
17:44.30fozzmooHe laughed, but I don't htink he really thought it was funny.
17:44.38TeneThat site is so weird to me.  I totally would have never expected there would be enough people that cared that much about birds to make it a success.
17:44.54fozzmooTene: It's the long tail, man.
17:44.57elghey look, those birds are getting in their spaceships
17:45.04fozzmooheh.
17:45.04shadowwirecool.
17:45.09Tenefozzmoo: I remember once someone from there called me freaking out about it, but it turned out to be a problem with the bandwidth or dns or something on their end.
17:45.10elgit loads for me, firefox on osx
17:45.46elgthat video was anticlimactic. the spaceships didn't take off
17:45.52Tene"THE PAGE IS LOADING RELLY SLOW!!!" -- "It loads fine for me... do other pages on the internet also load slowly?" -- "Yes..."
17:46.34sontekso what problem is he having?
17:47.11shadowwireworks for me on plan9 using Opera 2
17:47.17fozzmooPages never loading, timing out...
17:47.18shadowwire:)
17:47.53sontekfozzmoo: yeah, get him new internets
17:48.05fozzmooIE says something about a syntax error...
17:48.09fozzmoobut that's all it says. So helpful.
17:48.18shadowwireis he on IE 6
17:48.22fozzmooHe's on a Mac.
17:48.22Tenefozzmoo: yeah, they were doing some heavy backups at the time or something.  same symptoms, as I recall.
17:48.24fozzmooProbably Safari.
17:48.32shadowwireis it working now?
17:49.04Tenefozzmoo: works just fine from MD, fwiw.
17:49.31elgfozzmoo: works in safari for me
17:49.32fozzmooTene: Thx
17:49.38shadowwireIt loads fine on my speak and spell too.
17:49.59sontekit loads fine in ie7 on windows
17:50.10fozzmooYeah. Thanks for checking it out, guys.
17:50.13sontekand on safari on mac
17:50.18sontektrying safari on windows now
17:50.19fozzmooHe just "fell off" MSN...
17:50.26fozzmooso, probably a local issue. :)
17:50.38elgthat's gotta hurt.
17:54.01shadowwire*take me drunk* Im home* hic.
17:55.02shadowwirerealy ocifer, im not as think as you drunk i am.
17:55.50goozbachfozzmoo: look into gomez
17:55.53goozbachit's pretty cool
17:56.05fozzmoogomez?
17:56.11fozzmooShoudl I just google it or what?
17:56.24goozbachexpensive as all get out, but if "sites are fast" is a business critical feature, you can't go without
17:56.29goozbachjust a sec, I'
17:56.33goozbachll get you aurl
17:56.45fozzmook.
17:56.52goozbachhttp://www.gomez.com/
17:56.57brac[Website Performance Monitoring Services and Testing Tools - Web Site Customer Experience Management]
18:00.00fozzmoothx
18:01.06vontrappbah, is there some kind of assiciative container that _is_ in the ansi standards?
18:04.59shadowwire~shoot me
18:04.59ibotACTION shoots shadowwire in the head with a glue gun!
18:05.15shadowwiretalk about a sticky situation.
18:05.20vontrappasside from one assisted suicide
18:07.30shadowwire~launch me
18:07.33ibotACTION straps shadowwire to an ACME rocket, lights the fuse and ducks behind a rock
18:07.51shadowwire~bite me
18:07.52ibotACTION takes a big bite out of shadowwire's jugular vein
18:08.08shadowwire~eat me
18:08.08ibotACTION eats shadowwire and falls over dead
18:09.50shadowwire~beat me
18:09.51ibotACTION beats shadowwire with a very wet, sticky noodle
18:10.01shadowwire~kill me
18:10.02ibotACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudotachyon gun at shadowwire
18:10.10shadowwiremissed.
18:14.52shadowwire~miss me
18:14.53ibotACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of shadowwire.
18:15.08shadowwire~zap me
18:15.09ibotACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives shadowwire a good jolt.
18:15.30shadowwire~hurt me
18:15.31ibotACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on shadowwire's hands, laughing all the while
18:15.41shadowwire~burn me
18:15.42ibotACTION pours gasoline all over shadowwire, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
18:15.57shadowwire~squash me
18:16.12shadowwireit was worth a shot.
18:16.18shadowwire~smash me
18:16.18ibotACTION flings an anvil in shadowwire's general direction
18:16.33shadowwire~crush me
18:16.34ibotACTION crushes shadowwire with a full height scsi disk
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18:16.44shadowwire~break me
18:16.58shadowwire~crack me
18:16.59ibotACTION cracks shadowwire 's rock in half and then proceeds to shatter the halves into tiny pieces
18:17.13shadowwiremy poor rock.
18:17.24shadowwire~test me
18:17.24ibotTesting shadowwire... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$
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18:17.47shadowwire~test 192.168.0.1
18:17.48ibotTesting 192.168.0.1... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$
18:18.12shadowwire~tease brek
18:18.13ibotACTION tickles brek with a feather and makes brek rotflmaopimp-ing
18:18.51shadowwire~test \users\test
18:18.51ibotTesting \users\test... *****$$#$
18:19.21shadowwire~input $crud
18:19.45shadowwire~delete *.*
18:19.46ibotACTION glares at *.* and then takes every step necessary to completely delete *.* and destroy any and all evidence that *.* ever existed
18:20.15shadowwire~purge klys
18:30.54vontrapp-parse elg
18:39.50Tenehttp://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/404612/ -- interesting.
18:39.53brac[Portal: The Flash Version]
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18:57.04leviWhich direction is this dancer rotating? http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5693171,00.gif
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19:09.42elglevi: clockwise viewed from above. is it a trick question?
19:18.12levielg: Nope, not a trick question, but if you reverse the order of the frames it will appear to rotate the same way.
19:18.50levielg: It's supposed to be a right brain vs. left brain dominance thing.
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19:37.46teabeerlevi: she switches for me.  started out counterclockwis
19:38.03teabeernow she goes back and forth.
19:38.29teabeernice body
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19:41.04ibotfollow's levi with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for good measure
19:41.30teabeerit's true... that's a hot silhouette
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20:00.44shadowwire-chat about moooo
20:00.44bracmoooo did
20:00.50shadowwiredid not!
20:19.41leviteabeer: She switched once for me, from ccw to cw.
20:21.57leviAnd, yay, my embedded http server works and is now integrated with the rest of my stuff and is serving dynamic pages.
20:22.25leviI'm writing a web app from scratch in C.  Am I insane or what?
20:22.42nick125levi: I think that fits the definition of insanity.
20:23.48leviThis is actually the path of least resistance to getting a pretty user interface on this thing.
20:25.04herloJayce^: ping
20:26.05Jayce^herlo, pong
20:29.20herloJayce^: pm
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20:44.33beandoglevi, very cool
20:44.47beandoglevi, what are you embedding onto
20:47.29nick125My head hurts after trying to read the Amazon ECS docs.
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20:53.17Jayce^nick125, it's fun stuff :)
20:54.36nick125And it seems like ECS doesn't return as much as the older SOAP stuff I was using...maybe I need to try a different request type...ugh
20:54.58nick125or responsegroup, rather.
20:55.13levibeandog: A new dbx product.  Kind of an audio switch.
20:55.26beandogdbx?
20:55.32nick125Yay, now I'm getting more information with the ItemAttributes responsegroup
20:56.46levibeandog: dbx is one of the Harman Pro brands.
20:57.13beandogoh
20:57.20levihttp://www.dbxpro.com/
20:57.21brac[dbx&reg; Professional Products]
21:01.23elg:(
21:01.39levielg: Hmm?
21:04.20elgsorry, wrong window
21:04.35elganyway, I don't see how she can possibly switch. does that make me left or right brained?
21:05.28levielg: I saw a blog entry where a guy didn't see how they could possibly switch either.  Then he tore the gif apart and make the frames run in the reverse order.  It looked exactly the same!
21:06.11leviI don't recall which side of the brain is supposed to be which.
21:06.35leviBut clockwise means your 'logical' hemisphere is dominant.
21:06.48elgleft
21:07.03elghow do you mean exactly the same?
21:07.46leviThe blog entry had two images, and the second one had the frames running in the opposite order.  They both appear to rotate in the same direction.
21:08.47leviI don't know *how* it works, but when I first saw it, I thought, 'How could it be anything other than counter-clockwise?!' and then, suddenly I looked back and it was clockwise.
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21:13.07elgif you can find it I'd like to see it
21:13.17elgall the blogs I can find about it (there are a lot) nly have one
21:13.23elgand they say cw is right brained
21:13.31elgbbl
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21:21.37HeartsbaneOh
21:22.23levihttp://markbernstein.org/Sep0701/Illusion.html
21:22.24brac[Mark Bernstein: Illusion]
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21:30.21^Migs^what's the name of that FOSS alternative to Camtasia?
21:32.54elgpromastasio
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21:34.03brac[2007/10/12 15:22:24] <levi> http://markbernstein.org/Sep0701/Illusion.html
21:34.13levielg: There's the two dancers for you.
21:34.42levielg: When I first pulled it up, they did indeed seem to be moving in opposite directions, but then they synchronized.
21:35.59^Migs^http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1249768320071012?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews
21:37.43elglevi: have you heard fourplay's cover?
21:37.50leviNope.
21:38.10elghttp://hans.fugal.net/tmp/music/fourplay-theme%20from%20doctor%20who.mp3
21:38.18elgpretty fun
21:38.56elglevi: I see two images, but I don't think one is simply the reverse sequence of the other
21:39.11levielg: Why not?
21:39.16elglook at the grey spot in the corner.
21:39.27elgno movement, but they're in different corners
21:39.45elgwatch the foot
21:39.50elgone is definitely the mirror image of the other
21:40.03elgif you reverse *and* mirror, then yes they'll both be clockwise
21:40.19levielg: Do they appear to go in different directions to you?
21:40.26elgnope, they're both going clockwise
21:41.14elgno doubt it's possible for it to appear like they're going ccw
21:42.21elgi'm not convinced that it would be left/right brain though. maybe left/right dominance or left/right eye dominance or whether you like cw better than ccw or ...
21:43.01leviHeh, I pulled it up again, and now they appear to be consistently moving in the opposite direction to each other.
21:43.12elgthey are out of phase
21:43.41leviYes, but one was cw, the other was ccw.
21:43.41elgat first, anyway
21:43.51leviNow it varies depending on how I look at them.
21:44.10leviAnd they're in phase, now that I've brought it up while the images were in cache.
21:45.17elghm, on reload (from cache now) they're in phase, perfect mirror
21:45.37leviSo weird.  My perception is switching around a lot now.
21:45.41elgand the left one (which is the reversed one) is going ccw
21:46.18leviSometimes I see them both cw, sometimes I see them both ccw, and sometimes I see them doing the opposite of each other.
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21:46.21brac~lart went
21:46.21ibotputs on some milking gloves. "All right, now, went, this won't hurt a bit...."
21:47.06leviIt's hurting my brain now.  Must stop looking.
21:50.30elgthe mirror image does seem to enhance the effect
21:55.19elgframe by frame, definitely cw
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21:56.17bracincorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat'
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22:25.23elglevi: did you get that?
22:25.24levielg: Probably not.
22:25.24findlay-w~get levi
22:25.24leviLast I heard you say was 'frame by frame, definitely cw'
22:25.24elghans.fugal.net/tmp/dancer-slow.gif
22:25.24elgyou can see it both ways in each frame with a little effort
22:25.24Supaplex-chat ibot
22:25.25bracibot is able to do something similar to litzas
22:25.25levielg: Yup.
22:25.53elgi fail to see how it could be any indicator of right or left brain though. more likely whichever way you saw it first,
22:26.09levielg: You can make it shift directions when the leg is at its furthest to the left or right, and you decided whether you're looking at the right or left leg.
22:26.45levielg: I think the left/right brain thing is bogus, too.
22:27.03leviAnyway, time to head home.
22:27.12elgthere's a discontinuity when her leg is out to the left
22:28.00elgwhich is the best place to switch
22:29.14findlay-wibot: I didn't see you enunciating my choice onjoin message in your spew of talk
22:29.15ibotYou didn't see you enunciating my choice onjoin message in your spew of talk?
22:29.23findlay-w~spew
22:29.24ibotmethinks spew is to vomit
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22:43.51sinuheYay for free airport wireless; boo for being 22 in line for 1st class upgrades.  Sigh.
22:44.17sinuhegoozbach: Did you get your Thinkpad yet?
22:45.09fozzmoohttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/12/the-doomed-voyage-of-the-x-wing-what-really-happened/
22:52.15beandogcan something be doomed in past tense?
22:52.25beandogit was doomed
22:52.26beandogguess so
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22:55.41elgthat's funny
22:55.52*** join/#utah findlay-w (n=justin@gocastlerock.com)
22:55.52bracincorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat'
22:56.18findlay-w-chat patent infringement
22:56.19bracpatent infringement that the new library that can solve them all horribly dated, then. :)
22:57.06Supaplex~quote scox
22:57.24Supaplexwow, it's going back up...
22:57.48elg~onjoin findlay -chat that's when
22:57.49ibotok, elg
22:58.03findlay-w-chat ok, elg
22:58.04Supaplex-chat that's when
22:58.05bracok, elg
22:58.06bracthat's when it has been through is pbs
22:58.11findlay-w~work
22:58.12ibot[work] the integral of the dot product of force and displacement
22:58.17elg~onjoin findlay-w -chat get back
22:58.17ibotok, elg
22:58.25*** kick/#utah [findlay-w!n=fugalh@216.31.27.110] by elg (-chat get back)
22:58.31Supaplexlol
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22:58.33bracget back home with them
22:58.34findlay-wso it is
22:58.59findlay-w-chat ~onjoin elg
22:58.59brac~onjoin elg -lart elg
22:58.59ibotok, brac
22:59.03findlay-wheh
22:59.10Supaplex-lart ~lart
22:59.10elgnice
22:59.22elg-chat ~lart emcnabb
22:59.22brac~lart emcnabb for being slow inreplying to ssh to a niche position like lisp?
22:59.22ibotinstalls a bad bootloader on emcnabb and turns emcnabb into a brick for being slow inreplying to ssh to a niche position like lisp?
22:59.37elg-chat ~lart sjansen
22:59.37brac~lart sjansen for old people
22:59.37ibotcrushes sjansen with a full height scsi disk for old people
22:59.46*** part/#utah Supaplex (n=e@166-70-62-194.ip.xmission.com)
22:59.46*** join/#utah Supaplex (n=e@166-70-62-194.ip.xmission.com)
22:59.47elgfor the old people!
22:59.47brac~lart did
22:59.47ibotslaps did upside the head with a wet fish
23:00.35Supaplexyeah. ok so, food's on. bbiab.

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