| 00:00.20 | Supaplex | bribe an adolecent |
| 00:00.37 | nick125 | Sargun: I don't have enough CDs to warrant buying a cd changer. I have thought of it though. |
| 00:00.42 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 00:01.03 | herlo | nick125: it can |
| 00:01.04 | Supaplex | that's where my idea comes in ;) |
| 00:01.08 | herlo | if you have a robot |
| 00:02.48 | nick125 | I only have about 50 CDs or so to rip |
| 00:03.17 | Supaplex | would a shredder do? |
| 00:03.26 | nick125 | er |
| 00:03.30 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 00:03.49 | nick125 | Although, Sargun probably also did something that would warrant that look. |
| 00:04.07 | Sargun | Thermite your CDs |
| 00:04.32 | herlo | nick125: use eject, and eject -t |
| 00:04.40 | herlo | all you have to do is put a cd in and hit enter |
| 00:04.42 | nick125 | I have two drives going at once.. |
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| 00:06.21 | Sargun | eject nick124 |
| 00:06.22 | Sargun | eject nick125 |
| 00:06.25 | Sargun | isn't working |
| 00:06.33 | Sargun | eject: unable to find or open device for: `nick124' |
| 00:07.21 | Supaplex | eject /proc/1 |
| 00:08.11 | Sargun | Heh |
| 00:09.23 | Sargun | Bad idea time |
| 00:09.25 | Sargun | kill -9 1 |
| 00:12.57 | nick125 | yay for rmdir. |
| 00:15.29 | nick125 | boo for slow wireless that can only go at 6mbit reliabily. |
| 00:16.47 | nick125 | oh..maybe it'll go at 11mbit.. |
| 00:17.39 | nick125 | Anyone here know of a way to make abcde use a different temp dir? |
| 00:18.02 | nick125 | transfering all of these WAV files to my NFS share is killing my wireless connection |
| 00:18.25 | Sargun | kick up your buffer and cance |
| 00:18.26 | Sargun | er |
| 00:18.28 | Sargun | cache |
| 00:18.53 | nick125 | and how would I do that again? I haven't played around with that in a long time. |
| 00:20.45 | nick125 | I hope making cdparanoia wait for IO isn't going to mess up the rip. |
| 00:22.25 | Sargun | I had to reboot my microwave. |
| 00:22.51 | Sargun | (A few months ago, I had to reboot my fridge, and they reinstalled the OS, and the firmware) |
| 00:23.46 | nick125 | I wish I knew what rates this card/AP supported so I could try bumping it up |
| 00:24.56 | nick125 | My signal level sucks. |
| 00:25.00 | nick125 | 16/65 |
| 00:28.38 | nick125 | putting the temp files into pipes is probably better than on disk |
| 00:28.57 | Sargun | true I agree. |
| 00:28.59 | Sargun | signal? |
| 00:29.09 | nick125 | I have much more RAM than NFS IO. |
| 00:30.07 | Sargun | Is there any architecture which allows for multiple oddly powered CPUs? |
| 00:34.27 | Supaplex | oddly powered? |
| 00:34.35 | Supaplex | like 7v ? |
| 00:34.55 | Sargun | uh |
| 00:34.55 | Sargun | no |
| 00:34.57 | Supaplex | or 1.1ghz + 3ghz + 1.6ghz? |
| 00:34.57 | Sargun | clocked |
| 00:35.07 | Sargun | So like 7 2Ghz processors |
| 00:35.12 | Sargun | and 1 233 Mhz. |
| 00:35.28 | Supaplex | haven't ventured into that realm myself. |
| 00:35.57 | Sargun | I think IBMs PPC mainframe stuff can do that |
| 00:37.29 | Sargun | nick125, Go get morewattage |
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| 00:40.30 | Supaplex | s/sudder/shudder/ |
| 00:41.53 | Sargun | I wonder if people would hire "Professional Parents" over nannies |
| 00:43.09 | fozzmoo | It would be interesting to see a society where parents had to be certified before society allowed them to reproduce. |
| 00:43.32 | sontek | I say the samething about computer programmers |
| 00:43.53 | sontek | programming should be like when you want to be a doctor, you have to earn your residency |
| 00:44.30 | fozzmoo | agreed. |
| 00:44.48 | Sargun | Oh god. |
| 00:44.50 | fozzmoo | When the world realizes computer programmers hold the fate of humanity in their hands, maybe that will happen. |
| 00:45.00 | fozzmoo | Until then, we are at great danger. |
| 00:45.17 | fozzmoo | "Oh god," is right... for those of you willing to say it. |
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| 00:45.44 | nick125 | Don't you love it when your wireless dies leaving a bunch of programs trying to read/write from your NFS mount? |
| 00:45.57 | Sargun | No, because for those who haven't entered the programming world |
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| 00:46.37 | Sargun | Don't want to go through a internship |
| 00:46.37 | fozzmoo | nick125: I love it when YOUR wireless dies. :) |
| 00:47.08 | nick125 | During winter break, I'm going to run cat5e. |
| 00:48.31 | Sargun | Have fun |
| 00:48.59 | Supaplex | awww no optical ethernet? |
| 00:49.14 | nick125 | Sargun: too expensive :P |
| 00:49.16 | Sargun | Lay conduit. |
| 00:49.33 | nick125 | I'm so tired of wireless taking a dump when I'm doing large data transfers |
| 00:55.44 | levi | Couldn't find any matching shingles at Home Depot or Lowes. |
| 00:56.23 | Sargun | levi, buy a large amount of shingles earler |
| 00:58.03 | levi | Sargun: What? |
| 00:58.08 | Sargun | earlier |
| 00:58.13 | Sargun | like earlier in the season |
| 00:58.36 | levi | What's that got to do with my situation? |
| 00:58.57 | levi | Shingles blew off my roof and I need to replace them. |
| 00:59.12 | Sargun | Uh |
| 00:59.17 | Sargun | Did you anticipate this? |
| 00:59.31 | herlo | Sargun: man eject |
| 00:59.44 | herlo | nick125: you can do both at once... |
| 00:59.57 | nick125 | herlo: You mean rip both CDs at once? |
| 01:00.37 | levi | Sargun: Um, no. |
| 01:01.07 | levi | Sargun: If I were the one to have put the roof on the house, I would have saved extra shingles. |
| 01:01.26 | levi | Sargun: However, since I just bought the house a few months ago... |
| 01:03.25 | herlo | nick125: I mean have a script do it |
| 01:03.37 | herlo | pass in the device |
| 01:03.38 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 01:04.08 | herlo | have it eject and close once you've changed the disks |
| 01:04.49 | nick125 | It already ejects the disk when it's done |
| 01:05.13 | levi | Anyway, I'll probably hire someone to fix it, since I don't relish the idea of climbing around on my fairly steep 2nd story roof. |
| 01:05.55 | elg | levi: 8 hours worked ok too |
| 01:06.01 | elg | delicious |
| 01:06.19 | elg | one more thing to try: sourdough (will the freezer hurt the sourdough?). I think that will work fine too |
| 01:07.04 | levi | elg: I imagine it'll work well. |
| 01:07.39 | levi | I still need to revive that sourdough start you sent me. |
| 01:08.01 | elg | perfect for breakfasts. if you can remember to take something out of the freezer before climbing in bed, and have a half hour in the morning to bake it |
| 01:08.30 | elg | no mess |
| 01:08.40 | elg | no sticky hands or spoons |
| 01:09.00 | elg | just a butter knife :) |
| 01:10.06 | nick125 | mmm...I'm about half-way done with my first batch of CDs/ |
| 01:10.52 | nick125 | Went from having 466 songs to having 628. |
| 01:11.02 | levi | elg: You should add your freezer usage to your bread pdf. |
| 01:11.08 | Sargun | bit torrent? |
| 01:11.25 | Sargun | torrent them |
| 01:11.29 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEZjQAi5q-8 |
| 01:11.32 | Sargun | Put them on DC |
| 01:11.37 | Sargun | Gnutella |
| 01:11.48 | herlo | Sargun: torrents is *way* better |
| 01:12.02 | herlo | at least for load |
| 01:13.18 | Sargun | well he isn't gunna torrent 628 songs |
| 01:16.40 | nick125 | The russian site that I usually buy music from doesn't have this album I want so.. |
| 01:29.59 | sontek | herlo: piiiiiiiiiing |
| 01:30.07 | sontek | herlo: did you want to pickup the asp.net book |
| 01:31.33 | Sargun | ouch |
| 01:31.35 | herlo | sontek: I can pick it up in the morning? |
| 01:33.34 | sontek | herlo: but then your whole night is waste! |
| 01:33.36 | sontek | :D |
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| 01:42.37 | levi | Ooh, new Radiohead album coming out soon. |
| 01:43.49 | vontrapp | levi: hahaha, good one |
| 01:43.49 | vontrapp | (about the acts_as_filename) |
| 01:44.06 | vontrapp | yes, yes, i've been waiting nearly 20 hours just to say that |
| 01:44.12 | vontrapp | been internetless the whole time |
| 01:49.12 | levi | Bummer. |
| 01:49.39 | levi | I never really looked into Ruby enough to figure out what the whole 'acts_as_x' thing was all about, really. |
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| 01:59.03 | tensai | Sargun: haven't tasted it yet. it dropped a *lot* of whey, which didn't happen last time. |
| 01:59.51 | Sargun | Ooh, I assume that's bad. |
| 01:59.59 | tensai | no, that's good |
| 02:00.06 | tensai | othewise all you have is salty yogurt |
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| 02:32.22 | levi | Mmmm, homemade cinnamon rolls. |
| 02:32.39 | herlo | levi: that sounds good! |
| 02:32.56 | herlo | levi: you have milk? I can bring some! |
| 02:44.46 | Sargun | mhmm |
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| 02:52.25 | tensai | Sargun: I just unwrapped it and it's pretty good. there's something about the flavor that's odd but I haven't pinpointed it yet. |
| 02:52.35 | tensai | I gave some to my 5 year-old and he spat it right out |
| 02:53.55 | Sargun | heh |
| 02:58.36 | Sargun | hm |
| 02:58.40 | Sargun | that doesn't sound good. |
| 03:02.56 | tensai | I didn't really expect him to like it though. and I liked the flavor, but it seems to be missing something |
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| 03:26.37 | Sargun | hm |
| 03:43.55 | Supaplex | http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/augenkrebs//The_latest_works3.gif |
| 03:49.34 | tensai | Supaplex: doesn't load :( |
| 03:50.30 | Supaplex | humph |
| 03:51.04 | herlo | tensai: worked fine for me |
| 03:51.10 | herlo | Supaplex: don't worry |
| 03:51.10 | Supaplex | http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/The_latest_works3.gif |
| 03:51.59 | tensai | mmm. undulating almonds... |
| 03:52.38 | Supaplex | try that on your homemade cinnamon rolls :P |
| 03:59.51 | tensai | http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ |
| 03:59.53 | brac | [Optical Illusions and Visual Phenomena] |
| 03:59.58 | tensai | some really good illusions there |
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| 04:24.05 | tensai | Sargun: it's good with chips and salsa. too pungent by itself. |
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| 04:28.57 | Sargun | levi, Ah, what |
| 04:32.35 | levi | Actually, I'm using popen instead. |
| 04:33.00 | levi | I've got a text file that I need to send alternating lines from to different pipelines. |
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| 05:00.08 | levi | Now to see if it compiles in mingw... |
| 05:03.17 | Supaplex | GRRRRRRRR |
| 05:03.37 | Supaplex | bad idea over ssh: /etc/init.d/vmware-tools restart |
| 05:18.15 | levi | Indeed. |
| 05:18.25 | levi | Kills the network connection. |
| 05:19.08 | Supaplex | yup. |
| 05:20.50 | herlo | ~onjoin undertakingyou |
| 05:24.11 | herlo | ~onjoin undertakingyou |
| 05:36.46 | levi | They're not hard to use... just put the stuff to be blended in and hit the on button. ;) |
| 05:37.20 | fozzmoo | Oh really? That's it? :) |
| 05:38.04 | fozzmoo | I wonder if there's a website that could help me if I find myself staring at something and thinking, "Hmmm. I wonder if I can blend that thing." |
| 05:38.16 | fozzmoo | You would think someone's already been down that road. |
| 05:39.28 | fozzmoo | Maybe a website like canitbeblendedinablender.com |
| 05:39.37 | fozzmoo | That would be soooo cool. |
| 05:40.45 | levi | Yeah, that would be awesome. |
| 05:40.56 | levi | Especially with one of those super-powerful blenders. |
| 05:41.47 | levi | Time for me to sleep. |
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| 06:59.25 | tensai | ~lart outlook |
| 06:59.25 | ibot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at outlook |
| 06:59.53 | tensai | you'd think you couldn't design a worse email client even if you tried, but somebody did and its name is Incredimail |
| 07:00.07 | SorenStoutner | Agreed. |
| 07:00.12 | SorenStoutner | On both counts. |
| 07:00.34 | SorenStoutner | Another contender is the builtin ACT! email client. |
| 07:02.07 | SorenStoutner | fozzmoo: http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe |
| 07:02.32 | fozzmoo | WOW! I HAD NO IDEA!!!! |
| 07:03.20 | nick125 | I guess the only thing incredible about incredimail is how horrible it is. |
| 07:03.55 | nick125 | That reminds me of that one mail client....I forget the name of it |
| 07:08.33 | nick125 | It was horrible beyond believe...about as bad as incredimail, if not worse. |
| 07:08.57 | nick125 | 3D Mailbox, that is it. |
| 07:14.46 | Supaplex | bah. sleep looks far too tempting to pass up now. chow. |
| 07:14.57 | tensai | Supaplex: ciao |
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| 07:29.51 | tensai | I love it. "If you find yourself wanting to put real users in a blender, please get help. They're heavy." |
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| 14:09.04 | elg | happy october |
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| 15:47.24 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:47.59 | goozbach | grr |
| 15:48.14 | goozbach | munin is fine and dandy until you want to modify your configuration |
| 15:48.39 | goozbach | I'm trying to add groups, so things are a bit easier to see, and it doesn't seem to want to migrate my old data |
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| 16:37.48 | elg | -lart xname |
| 16:38.46 | levi | elg: My wife made cinnamon rolls last night. |
| 16:38.53 | levi | So yummy. |
| 16:39.55 | elg | sticky |
| 16:45.35 | tensai | whatever you do, don't buy services from a company who will ever be bought out by Level 3 |
| 17:11.17 | sontek | :D |
| 17:12.57 | atoponce | what language is jesse stay writing his facebook apps in? |
| 17:13.16 | atoponce | python? ruby? perl? php? |
| 17:13.50 | levi | Beats me. But he's writing them for /facebook/. |
| 17:14.21 | atoponce | right. i'm just curious what language platform he picked for his apps |
| 17:15.14 | RyanE | apparently, I'm not hip anymore (if I ever was). I don't even know why someone would want a facebook app. |
| 17:15.52 | atoponce | well, with the userbase they have, it makes sense for him to go into that consulting business |
| 17:15.53 | levi | I looked briefly at facebook when someone invited me there. Man, what a mess. |
| 17:16.31 | atoponce | the api is young, people want want apps for their facebook accounts, so there's a market for it |
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| 17:16.51 | atoponce | hmmm. it looks like he chose perl |
| 17:16.51 | levi | It's full of random 'social' applications, like things that let you 'poke' someone, or tell what mood you're in, or what song you're listening to, etc. |
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| 17:17.49 | sontek | The apps are annoying |
| 17:17.55 | atoponce | well, i don't like facebook (or any "web 2.0 social networking" site), but there is money to be made there |
| 17:17.57 | sontek | I don't know how many times I've been bitten by something |
| 17:18.06 | sontek | YOUVE BEEN BITTEN BY A VAMPIRE, OMGZ |
| 17:18.19 | sontek | facebook is worse than myspace now |
| 17:18.31 | sontek | atleast on facebook the spam has boobs |
| 17:18.36 | sontek | err.. on myspace |
| 17:18.46 | levi | Well, it has more annoying features, but it has nicer-looking pages. |
| 17:19.03 | levi | myspace pages always make me want to claw out my eyes. |
| 17:20.06 | sontek | yeah |
| 17:20.16 | atoponce | facebook *definitely* has nicer pages |
| 17:20.22 | atoponce | better organization too |
| 17:20.42 | sontek | but what they make up for in prettiness, they knock down in annoyance |
| 17:20.43 | atoponce | still the same "be my buddy" garbage though |
| 17:20.54 | sontek | the next person to bite me with a vampire gets a voodoo doll dedicated to tehm |
| 17:21.05 | atoponce | http://bugroff.net i think someone posted a link to that in here |
| 17:21.11 | atoponce | which are my thoughts exactly |
| 17:21.14 | levi | sontek: You could hire jesse to make a voodoo doll Facebook app!! |
| 17:21.20 | sontek | w00t! |
| 17:21.56 | atoponce | you can't blame the guy for going after an opportunity though |
| 17:22.11 | RyanE | I guess I still don't get it. I don't understand why someone would want an app built on facebook or any other social networking site. |
| 17:22.23 | atoponce | RyanE: the scrabble app is pretty cool |
| 17:22.25 | RyanE | but then again, I don't know why idiots pay for ringtones. |
| 17:22.33 | levi | RyanE: Because it's populated by a bunch of fad-followers. |
| 17:22.41 | RyanE | levi: yeah, *that* part I get. |
| 17:22.43 | atoponce | playing a game with your "network" at least makes some reason for having them |
| 17:22.56 | levi | RyanE: Well, that's pretty much it. A prime market for exploitation! |
| 17:23.08 | RyanE | I just don't see how I'd pay for my mortgage doing that, but it takes all types. |
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| 17:23.12 | atoponce | doing something with your friends versus just having them has potential |
| 17:23.40 | atoponce | which is what introplay has designed. at least your competing with your friends |
| 17:23.43 | sontek | Thats what wow is for! |
| 17:23.48 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:24.03 | RyanE | I think I'll leave and start making apps for WoW. |
| 17:24.34 | levi | atoponce: It's like IRC for the non-geeks. |
| 17:25.40 | atoponce | something |
| 17:33.14 | mrpull | but does IRC have an "I am hungry" button? |
| 17:33.19 | mrpull | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290162896581 |
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| 17:33.45 | mrpull | RyanE: maybe you could sell that technique for $20K! |
| 17:34.29 | sjansen | ~feed RyanE |
| 17:34.30 | ibot | ACTION offers RyanE some herring |
| 17:35.44 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 17:35.44 | ibot | sjansen: aw, gee |
| 17:35.59 | sjansen | ibot: You deserve it. Keep up the good work. |
| 17:39.59 | emcnabb | sjansen sucks |
| 17:40.33 | emcnabb | there you go sjansen, I said something |
| 17:40.53 | RyanE | a blast from the past, emcnabb. |
| 17:40.57 | goozbach | ~sjansen RyanE |
| 17:40.58 | ibot | ACTION complains bitterly about RyanE |
| 17:42.20 | sjansen | ~sjansen goozbach |
| 17:42.21 | ibot | ACTION tells $TARGET good things about sjansen |
| 17:42.54 | sjansen | ~sjansen goozbach |
| 17:42.55 | ibot | ACTION tells goozbach good things about sjansen |
| 17:43.20 | sjansen | ~welcome emcnabb |
| 17:43.20 | ibot | Howdy, emcnabb! |
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| 17:45.51 | atoponce | http://techdirt.com/articles/20070928/011739.shtml |
| 17:45.54 | brac | [Techdirt: Websites Still Designed For People Who Don't Use Them] |
| 17:51.09 | sjansen | ~feed mrpull |
| 17:51.10 | ibot | ACTION offers mrpull some pizza |
| 17:53.27 | sjansen | ibot must either like mrpull more than RyanE, or know RyanE really well |
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| 18:29.27 | shadowwire | ~lart nothing |
| 18:29.27 | ibot | runs at nothing with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 18:29.38 | shadowwire | Hello |
| 18:29.55 | Supaplex | greetings |
| 18:31.14 | shadowwire | klys: You here? |
| 18:35.23 | sontek | anyone know of a good PDF Reader app for the treo |
| 18:35.41 | sontek | the only one I know of is mobipocket but it requires windows |
| 18:39.15 | mrpull | sontek: i think adobe has an official reader for palm |
| 18:39.28 | mrpull | i've used the WM version with success |
| 18:41.08 | sontek | mrpull: does it provide a PRC? I can't use hotsync to install it |
| 18:45.32 | mrpull | looking at their page, it doesn't look like it |
| 18:45.41 | mrpull | that's lame |
| 18:46.15 | mrpull | i too get bummed when I want to install some software on my PDA and find they only have a .exe download |
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| 19:09.12 | klys_ | shadowwire: yo |
| 19:11.54 | klys_ | sontek ? |
| 19:11.59 | klys_ | scytheblade1 ? |
| 19:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hi? |
| 19:12.14 | klys_ | hey man |
| 19:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hi ^^ |
| 19:12.40 | klys_ | are you in the UUG ? |
| 19:12.50 | ScytheBlade1 | No, because I'm a slacker |
| 19:13.05 | klys_ | k, I was just curious about it that's all |
| 19:13.23 | klys_ | anything happen to you this morning? |
| 19:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm attending at the UofU, but haven't really looked into ant LUGs at all |
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| 19:19.43 | klys | shadowwire: ttyl, I have to go to the bank |
| 19:19.48 | klys | ciao all |
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| 19:24.31 | vontrapp | packet loss: 80% :( |
| 19:24.32 | vontrapp | problem is, there's no infrastructure whatsoever in these buildings |
| 19:24.34 | vontrapp | except cable |
| 19:24.36 | vontrapp | so maybe comcast would be best |
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| 19:24.57 | calvarez | hello! suggestions on a free SSL certificate? |
| 19:25.02 | calvarez | I know, I'm cheap |
| 19:25.28 | levi | Generate one yourself? |
| 19:25.47 | levi | vontrapp: Where are you? |
| 19:25.52 | vontrapp | branbury apt |
| 19:25.55 | vontrapp | s |
| 19:25.59 | levi | Ahh. |
| 19:26.01 | mrpull | calvarez: self sign or maybe cough up the 20 bucks for a godaddy cert |
| 19:26.08 | levi | I used to live in the Glenwood. |
| 19:26.20 | mrpull | levi: did you get a free maid? |
| 19:26.32 | levi | It was before the maids. |
| 19:26.49 | mrpull | now that you are married.... errr i wont go there (sorta) |
| 19:26.50 | levi | They installed some 'high-speed' internet system there the last year I lived there. |
| 19:27.14 | levi | It probably would have been pretty fast if there were only, say, 10 people on it. |
| 19:27.38 | vontrapp | maids! |
| 19:27.38 | vontrapp | and here's branbury, offering all this free tanning, free spa, free treadmills, free haircuts |
| 19:27.38 | vontrapp | and by free, they mean, "we raise your rent to pay for it all" |
| 19:27.40 | levi | As it was, it was instantly saturated. |
| 19:27.49 | calvarez | levi, mrpull, isn't the whole point of having a 3rd party (certificate authority) certify your signature to ensure that it's you? |
| 19:28.08 | calvarez | sorry, I'm not an expert on SSL |
| 19:28.09 | vontrapp | calvarez: the point is to have a third party _say_ it's y |
| 19:28.11 | vontrapp | ou |
| 19:28.26 | vontrapp | doesn't necessarily mean it is you |
| 19:28.28 | levi | calvarez: Well, that's the idea, anyway. |
| 19:28.46 | vontrapp | but it's in the cert auth's best interest to be trusted and so to ensure you are you |
| 19:28.47 | calvarez | so, how does it help that purpose to generate a certificate myself? |
| 19:29.05 | mrpull | calvarez: nah... the whole point is avoiding that silly popup window when your visitors come to your https page ;-) |
| 19:29.07 | vontrapp | calvarez: the encryption/safety side of ssl |
| 19:29.10 | levi | calvarez: Well, it doesn't help that purpose, but it does enable you to use ssl. |
| 19:29.15 | calvarez | ok |
| 19:29.30 | calvarez | anybody used comodo? |
| 19:29.39 | vontrapp | they might not know who you are, but they know you're the only one getting the information |
| 19:29.43 | vontrapp | nobody can snoop it |
| 19:30.08 | mrpull | i remember getting my first SSL cert took about three weeks with D&B reports, telephone calls, all manner of craziness... |
| 19:30.14 | mrpull | now you can get one in about 10 minutes |
| 19:30.14 | vontrapp | beryl has no window decorations for me |
| 19:30.21 | vontrapp | what am i missing? |
| 19:30.26 | levi | In practice, few people actually pay attention to certificate messages from their web browser. |
| 19:30.35 | calvarez | vontrapp, it's probably your color depth |
| 19:30.42 | vontrapp | eh? how so? |
| 19:30.46 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: the window decorator is spererate from the manager. |
| 19:30.49 | vontrapp | too deep? too shallow? |
| 19:30.50 | calvarez | I've had that problem before |
| 19:30.57 | calvarez | can't remember, don't use linux now |
| 19:31.02 | levi | vontrapp: You're missing the fact that beryl is unusable garbage still? |
| 19:31.10 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: Check out the beryl settings manager. |
| 19:31.18 | vontrapp | levi: fair nuff, but it works on the cs machines |
| 19:31.23 | vontrapp | (the window decorations part) |
| 19:31.27 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: You'll see an option for decorator, and for manager, both need to be changed. |
| 19:31.34 | vontrapp | i have changed |
| 19:31.36 | rsimpkins | k |
| 19:31.44 | calvarez | vontrapp, I know in my case, changing the color depth (I can't remember to what) fixed it |
| 19:31.45 | vontrapp | i even installed the compiz-gtk decorator, and chose that |
| 19:31.47 | vontrapp | still no dice |
| 19:31.50 | levi | It works okay if someone with far more time than me to figure out its myriad options and dependencies and such has done so. |
| 19:31.55 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: What video card? |
| 19:32.02 | vontrapp | nvidia |
| 19:32.07 | rsimpkins | vontrapp: Which nvidia? |
| 19:32.17 | levi | I try it out every once in a while, and I'm always disappointed. |
| 19:32.38 | vontrapp | NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] (rev a3) |
| 19:32.55 | vontrapp | levi: but the burn and beam effects! |
| 19:33.08 | rsimpkins | Have you tried advanced beryl options->rendering path->copy? |
| 19:33.26 | levi | I'm actually running Windows now, and finding it fairly comfortable with a few tweaks and some open source stuff installed. |
| 19:33.57 | vontrapp | rsimpkins: just now, it put borders on, but put them on top of the content :/ |
| 19:34.03 | vontrapp | still no title bars |
| 19:35.24 | rsimpkins | Odd. |
| 19:36.09 | vontrapp | indeed |
| 19:37.23 | calvarez | levi, you run Windows? |
| 19:37.25 | calvarez | XP? |
| 19:38.58 | Supaplex | I think his pc does |
| 19:39.06 | vontrapp | oh well, i can live with evilwm-like windows for now |
| 19:39.16 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 19:39.23 | sontek | levi: There is a clearlooks XP theme and a tango icon installer =) |
| 19:39.30 | levi | calvarez: Yup. |
| 19:39.40 | levi | calvarez: It's what was installed when IT gave it to me. |
| 19:39.57 | levi | I installed Ubuntu in a virtual machine, though. |
| 19:40.06 | vontrapp | another thing, when windows and things are created (using the beam-up effect) they stay partly transparent until after the effect finishes |
| 19:40.08 | vontrapp | kind of annoying |
| 19:40.31 | levi | vontrapp: beryl really isn't worth the trouble. |
| 19:41.40 | vontrapp | levi: you're just bitter |
| 19:41.51 | RyanE | I find it's fun for a few days, but I tire of Beryl quickly. |
| 19:42.09 | vontrapp | RyanE: you're just boring |
| 19:42.19 | RyanE | vontrapp: can't disagree with you there. |
| 19:42.30 | RyanE | vontrapp: I also won't put a fake spoiler on the back of the family mini-van. :) |
| 19:42.30 | levi | vontrapp: No, I've got it mostly working before, and I always found its little quirks annoying enough to offset the coolness. |
| 19:43.14 | RyanE | the only quirk I found with beryl is it didn't want to let me move my Mythfrontend app without pressing the move keys and clicking. (moving with title bar didn't work) |
| 19:43.42 | levi | It didn't play nicely with the virtual desktops I had set up. |
| 19:43.53 | levi | It had performance issues in some situations that rubbed me wrong. |
| 19:44.19 | vontrapp | beryl uses viewports in a larger desktop |
| 19:44.19 | levi | There were little visual glitches associated with some of the effects that annoyed me. |
| 19:44.46 | levi | vontrapp: I don't care what it wants to do. I want it to do what I want it to do, and it didn't want to do that. |
| 19:44.46 | vontrapp | in gnome for example you set it to one virtual desktop, and your little desktop wigdet suddenly shows a 4-wide span of desktop space |
| 19:45.08 | vontrapp | you can then click on the various viewports in that space to switch around |
| 19:45.13 | levi | Right. |
| 19:45.32 | levi | I got that set up, and it annoyed me to no end because things just didn't work right in some cases. |
| 19:45.40 | vontrapp | and you can customize the keyboard shortcuts to act just like your virtual desktops acted |
| 19:46.01 | RyanE | I didn't mind the 'not-really-virtual-desktops', since I'm not much of a virtual desktop guy. |
| 19:46.30 | levi | vontrapp: If you can find the right page to set those particular options. |
| 19:47.00 | levi | beryl is a stinking pile of poo and an utter waste of time. |
| 19:48.25 | elg | don't you hate it when you do all this research and come to the same conclusions as the original book/article you read? |
| 19:49.11 | levi | At some point, a person with a brain and a modicum of taste will take the technology of beryl and integrate it nicely with a desktop environment, and then maybe I'll use it. |
| 19:49.34 | levi | elg: What did you just do a bunch of research on? |
| 19:50.03 | elg | oh, just speaking in general mostly |
| 19:50.29 | elg | i did a little bunch of research on how to guesstimate your lactate threshold without silly laboratory tests |
| 19:51.11 | levi | And what'd you come up with? |
| 19:51.29 | levi | BTW, you should just be a man and do a max heart rate test. ;) |
| 19:52.07 | elg | and came to the conclusion that there's really only four zones of importance. recovery, aerobic, threshold, anaerobic |
| 19:52.43 | RyanE | elg: and how much can you lactate? heh |
| 19:52.49 | elg | and those are pretty easy to delineate. you start breathing deeper when you go aerobic. the threshold is about as hard as you can sustain, and anaerobic is like sprinting |
| 19:53.33 | elg | simple, easy. then you do interval training, i.e. poking up into the anaerobic threshold then recovering, and/or sustain at just below or at the threshold |
| 19:53.38 | levi | The way it was explained to me is that you're in the aerobic zone as long as you can still talk. :) |
| 19:53.45 | elg | simple, effective (in theory anyway) |
| 19:53.58 | elg | talk but not sing :) |
| 19:54.38 | levi | Once you hit the threshold, you haven't got any oxygen to waste with speaking. |
| 19:54.40 | elg | lactate threshold is often marked by labored breathing (vs. just deep breathing), which is about where you can't talk anymore (if you sustain) |
| 19:55.14 | elg | so anyway, that's basically exactly what my swimming book recommends :) |
| 19:55.16 | levi | Your muscles are all screaming out, 'feed me more oxygen!!!' |
| 19:55.31 | elg | iirc. I left it at the pool |
| 19:55.37 | levi | Oops. |
| 19:55.41 | elg | well, in the locker |
| 19:55.48 | levi | Oh, that's okay then. |
| 19:55.58 | levi | Where's this pool? On campus? |
| 19:56.11 | elg | yeah |
| 19:56.21 | elg | indoor and outdoor, |
| 19:56.24 | elg | outdoor is open year round |
| 19:56.33 | levi | Nice. Does it cost you anything? |
| 19:56.54 | elg | I'm not sure if it'll be fun to swim outdoors in January or not, but it'll be fun to find out :) |
| 19:56.58 | elg | no, part of tuition |
| 19:57.06 | elg | wife gets part-time pass for $20 |
| 19:57.10 | elg | for the year |
| 19:57.13 | levi | Nice. |
| 19:57.16 | elg | and kiddo is free |
| 19:57.20 | elg | so it's really a nice deal |
| 19:57.43 | levi | Lehi has a really nice, new exercise facility with reasonable rates. |
| 19:58.08 | elg | cool |
| 19:58.12 | levi | They've got an indoor track, pools, gyms, weight rooms, and a climbing wall. |
| 19:58.24 | elg | PG has that really nice pool with unreasonable rates |
| 19:58.24 | RyanE | levi: do you know what non-resident rates are? |
| 19:58.28 | elg | and it's only open in the summer of course |
| 19:58.43 | levi | RyanE: They're a few bucks more per month. |
| 19:58.50 | levi | RyanE: They're on the web page. |
| 19:58.58 | elg | the outdoor pool here is 50m during the summer |
| 19:59.15 | RyanE | there's nothing in highland... |
| 19:59.19 | elg | in the school year they set it up crossways (25m or 25y, not sure which) |
| 19:59.24 | elg | so they get more lanes |
| 19:59.37 | elg | I love 50m pools though. nothing like those long laps |
| 19:59.43 | RyanE | levi: thanks. found it. |
| 19:59.47 | elg | except maybe open-water swimming. maybe someday i'll live near a lake |
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| 20:00.04 | levi | elg: I love swimming in Payson Lake when we go camping. |
| 20:00.05 | elg | doubt I'll ever be nuts enough to swim around long island though :) |
| 20:00.34 | vontrapp | arg! back to my internet issue |
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| 20:00.42 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 20:00.50 | elg | that does sound like an internet issue |
| 20:01.00 | vontrapp | how would i go about getting xmission in an apartment complex? |
| 20:01.15 | vontrapp | elg: that would be sugar cookies compared to what i have to deal with |
| 20:01.28 | elg | vontrapp: you don't, probably |
| 20:01.35 | levi | vontrapp: Good luck. I doubt it's possible. |
| 20:01.37 | vontrapp | comcast? |
| 20:01.49 | elg | call up qwest and see if you can get DSL independent of your complex's utilities, but probably not |
| 20:01.50 | levi | Depends on how their infrastructure is set up. |
| 20:01.58 | elg | similar with cable, though that might be more likely |
| 20:02.07 | elg | some people in wyview got dish, for example |
| 20:02.16 | levi | dish internet is evil. |
| 20:02.20 | calvarez | vontrapp, it depends on what infrastructure the complex has. Mine already had Comcast cable, so getting Comcast (at a discounted rate) was easy |
| 20:02.21 | vontrapp | iprovo? |
| 20:02.21 | vontrapp | elg: no phone lines in these apartments |
| 20:02.29 | elg | well, not for internet |
| 20:02.47 | vontrapp | so my best bet is comcast cable |
| 20:02.49 | elg | vontrapp: your apartment hath no phone? |
| 20:02.53 | goozbach | open water swimming: no thank you: http://www.physorg.com/news110255496.html |
| 20:02.56 | levi | vontrapp: This is what you get for living in the sardine can student apartments. |
| 20:02.59 | vontrapp | calvarez: the complex here has comcast for cable |
| 20:03.12 | calvarez | vontrapp, what kind of complex is it? student housing? |
| 20:03.14 | levi | vontrapp: My last couple of years in the Provo area were at a BYU-approved duplex. |
| 20:03.31 | vontrapp | elg: ~\o no phone, no phone, i just want to be alone |
| 20:03.38 | levi | SO much nicer than living in the Glenwood! |
| 20:03.39 | vontrapp | calvarez: yes |
| 20:03.59 | elg | he doesn't even have to live in approved housing anymore |
| 20:04.00 | elg | he's married |
| 20:04.09 | calvarez | oh |
| 20:04.22 | elg | why you torture yourself is beyond me. :) |
| 20:04.31 | vontrapp | i tried to talk my wife and brother and brother-in-law into sharing a house |
| 20:04.33 | calvarez | well, maybe you have better chances then |
| 20:04.38 | vontrapp | $1050/mo |
| 20:04.40 | elg | vontrapp: your best bet is to see if you have line of sight to a normal human being (you know, the kind living in a house) |
| 20:04.43 | vontrapp | but they all bailed on me :( |
| 20:04.47 | elg | see if you can get on their good side |
| 20:04.52 | elg | bring over cookies, etc. |
| 20:04.53 | calvarez | vontrapp, I'd advise against that |
| 20:05.02 | elg | then convince them to let you split the bill and set up a pringles can |
| 20:05.15 | calvarez | not so much of not getting along, but you'll want your privacy :) |
| 20:05.31 | mrpull | vontrapp: maybe get an unlimited data rate with a 3G phone? |
| 20:05.54 | vontrapp | mrpull: that's expensive, isn't it? |
| 20:05.57 | calvarez | anyways, if you get comcast cable, I think that's all you need, ask the comcast people |
| 20:06.09 | mrpull | probably not more than 75/month |
| 20:06.15 | vontrapp | ick |
| 20:06.16 | calvarez | mention the complex already has comcast cable and you'll get a discount |
| 20:06.17 | mrpull | dunno... i don't pay the bill :-/ |
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| 20:06.34 | vontrapp | calvarez: advise against the house? why? |
| 20:06.34 | klys | when I had comcast, it would kick me off IRC all the time and I got banned sometimes |
| 20:06.59 | vontrapp | well i don't care about irc that much |
| 20:07.09 | calvarez | klys, when I had comcast in utah I didn't have that problem |
| 20:07.29 | calvarez | comcast was pretty good to me, in fact |
| 20:07.59 | calvarez | I pretty much always got the bandwidth they promised |
| 20:08.03 | vontrapp | calvarez: oh, saw your next comment, got lost in the hubbub, that's why it's a two story house |
| 20:09.07 | vontrapp | it would be as much privacy as an apartment complex |
| 20:09.31 | elg | I really need to take a nap. my head is killing me |
| 20:09.36 | elg | maybe I have a brain-eating bug |
| 20:09.52 | klys | don't say brain it's gross |
| 20:10.10 | vontrapp | will the nap make you better? or will you wake up all mind-controlled with icky fake skin all over you? |
| 20:10.17 | klys | my home teacher is outside on the porch reading an illustrated anatomy book |
| 20:10.33 | vontrapp | on your porch? |
| 20:10.36 | elg | ups and fedex tracking is so boring these days |
| 20:10.38 | vontrapp | is he early or something? |
| 20:10.46 | elg | almost never varies from the scheduled delivery date |
| 20:11.17 | elg | back in the day, it might be arriving early or late, and tracking was fun |
| 20:11.38 | klys | no, he's just a guy I think of as my home teacher. it's already happened afaik |
| 20:11.40 | vontrapp | is he reading about brains? |
| 20:11.56 | mrpull | elg: tried tracking DHL lately? i bought some stuff from Amazon and it's gonna take three friggin weeks per their estimate |
| 20:11.59 | elg | he's not your home teacher, but you fantasize that he is? |
| 20:12.03 | klys | about the skeletal cartiladge system, I'm guessing |
| 20:12.09 | mrpull | at some point taking three weeks has got to cost them more than a few days |
| 20:12.13 | calvarez | elg, lol |
| 20:12.19 | mrpull | the package is less than a pound |
| 20:12.26 | elg | mrpull: heh. |
| 20:12.38 | calvarez | I won an MP3 player with video in an internet raffle :) |
| 20:12.41 | elg | "hmm, where can we stick this so it doesn't get there too soon? hey bob, do we have an empty cubby?" |
| 20:12.50 | vontrapp | does it play ogg? |
| 20:13.10 | mrpull | elg: exactly. it almost would take effort to make it slow. |
| 20:13.14 | elg | we should make up a game called ogg, that AI agents can play, just to confuse matters |
| 20:13.26 | mrpull | servers me right for taking the free shipping over the $5 shipping. |
| 20:13.34 | elg | "no, joe, sorry. We do have a dogsled team headed that way though" |
| 20:13.51 | klys | shadowwire: ping |
| 20:14.05 | elg | "can dogsleds run through tenessee in october?" |
| 20:14.06 | mrpull | elg: "but it doesn't snow until mid October..." |
| 20:14.07 | vontrapp | so i would need a cable modem... is comcast pretty good with the modem thing? |
| 20:14.13 | mrpull | perfect! |
| 20:14.14 | elg | "it's more of a dog go-cart team" |
| 20:14.30 | elg | vontrapp: pretty good with? |
| 20:14.44 | mrpull | vontrapp: compare what their lease rate is vs. what you can buy one for |
| 20:15.05 | elg | i rented an actiontrash from qwest for $3/mo |
| 20:15.08 | vontrapp | getting you a modem for not-too-much/free |
| 20:15.09 | vontrapp | and a good modem |
| 20:15.09 | vontrapp | that doesn't suck |
| 20:15.18 | elg | finally got a cisco modem, and meant to return the other one |
| 20:15.25 | elg | even made the call once and they were going to send me a box |
| 20:15.37 | elg | the box never came |
| 20:15.38 | vontrapp | elg: and you still have it today? |
| 20:15.42 | elg | and somewhere along the line they stopped charging |
| 20:15.44 | elg | so I have a backup |
| 20:16.06 | elg | but it won't do you any good, it's a dsl modem not a cable modem |
| 20:16.12 | vontrapp | right |
| 20:16.18 | elg | and, all modems suck |
| 20:16.23 | calvarez | vontrapp, I'd suggest you just rent the $3/mo one |
| 20:16.44 | elg | then you're not left holding the bag when it dies |
| 20:16.57 | calvarez | that way, if their crap breaks, they'll replace it |
| 20:17.19 | calvarez | and it would take a year and a half before the cost of buying a brand new one would offset the cost of renting |
| 20:17.37 | calvarez | and if you get a used/free one, then what elg just said |
| 20:18.28 | elg | here I go. naptime for real |
| 20:18.54 | klys | hey someone beep me |
| 20:19.01 | vontrapp | ~beep klys |
| 20:19.02 | ibot | ACTION informs klys that the beeper is no longer in service |
| 20:19.17 | klys | vontrapp: n1ce |
| 20:19.19 | levi | The latest actiontec modems seem to have much better firmware than the ones they sent out a few years ago. |
| 20:20.08 | vontrapp | should i ask comcast about sharing with neighbors or should i just do it? |
| 20:20.26 | levi | Well, they'll probably say no. |
| 20:20.26 | klys | what was the asterisk device you all were recommending (think it started with an S?) |
| 20:21.31 | vontrapp | well, do they have options that specifically allow sharing? |
| 20:23.28 | levi | I don't think so. |
| 20:23.57 | levi | If they did, it wouldn't make any financial sense for you to use them. |
| 20:24.21 | vontrapp | well, if it was only just a bit more... |
| 20:24.22 | levi | This is Comcast we're talking about. |
| 20:24.26 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 20:24.34 | levi | It would be at least twice as much. |
| 20:24.44 | Supaplex | it's crumcaustic |
| 20:25.06 | sjansen | ~/o whistling, whistling, whistling in the dark o/~ |
| 20:25.07 | levi | Their view is that if there's someone who wants internet, they shouldn't be sharing with you, they should be buying it from them. |
| 20:25.56 | levi | In reality, if you get your own and buy a router you can do whatever you want and they'll never know. |
| 20:26.28 | vontrapp | a router like a wrt54g? |
| 20:26.32 | levi | But if they did find out, they'd send you a letter telling you to stop or they'll cut off your service. |
| 20:26.58 | klys | does the linksys wrt54g support telnet administration? |
| 20:27.06 | vontrapp | why telnet? |
| 20:27.14 | klys | gives better control |
| 20:27.40 | vontrapp | the upgrade went not so well, now i'm stuck without a web interface |
| 20:27.44 | levi | klys: It does if you install openwrt and telnet. Openwrt has ssh, though, so no real need for telnet. |
| 20:27.45 | vontrapp | and i can't ssh in anymore |
| 20:27.53 | vontrapp | it still _works_ at least |
| 20:27.59 | vontrapp | i just can't configure anything :( |
| 20:28.03 | levi | vontrapp: Yuck. Mine has the webif2 thing, and it works well. |
| 20:28.34 | klys | levi: I could have really used this openwrt factoid about a year ago |
| 20:28.38 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | PLIG RFC: http://plig.jottit.com/ | Be excellent to each other. | Are you a guru? atoponce is! | GL is p0wn-ing #utah one person at a time |
| 20:28.59 | goozbach | atoponce: a Guru? |
| 20:29.01 | levi | klys: It's been around for over a year. |
| 20:29.02 | goozbach | congrats man |
| 20:29.13 | atoponce | goozbach: thx man |
| 20:29.26 | levi | atoponce: Sorry you couldn't find work at a cooler place. ;) |
| 20:29.31 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:29.33 | klys | yes, I saw someone using it with google about then, though I couldn't tell what it was called |
| 20:29.46 | atoponce | levi: and where do you work? |
| 20:29.54 | atoponce | and on what? |
| 20:30.14 | sjansen | levi is one of them hot shot embedded developers |
| 20:30.34 | levi | atoponce: I work for Harman Pro Group on upcoming network protocol support in firmware. |
| 20:31.00 | levi | atoponce: A couple of guys on my team are always off in exotic locations for IEEE meetings. |
| 20:31.05 | sjansen | In other words, levi thinks all of use with our Gigs of RAM and pretty windows are all girly men. |
| 20:31.18 | atoponce | sjansen: you are girly |
| 20:31.32 | sjansen | If you want to get back at him, just remind levi he's coding in C. |
| 20:31.37 | levi | Well, I have gigs of RAM and two widescreen LCD displays. |
| 20:31.38 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:32.01 | atoponce | levi: only two?!? |
| 20:32.17 | levi | I will soon have a bunch of expensive audio equipment, too, and maybe a scope. |
| 20:32.25 | atoponce | all with synergy, mind you, which rox |
| 20:32.30 | levi | I wouldn't want 4 screens on my desk. |
| 20:32.43 | levi | 3, maybe. |
| 20:32.47 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:33.04 | atoponce | sjansen: so, how'd you hear the news? |
| 20:34.02 | levi | I get to work with QNX now, too, which is a way cool OS to work with. |
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| 20:37.08 | goozbach | atoponce: my money says it was a gurus@ email |
| 20:37.09 | atoponce | beandog will be working with embedded as well |
| 20:37.43 | atoponce | goozbach: probably. was curious if dax sent out an email, or Zelut or herlo leaked the news. :) |
| 20:38.04 | beandog | eh? |
| 20:38.05 | beandog | oh |
| 20:38.08 | beandog | am |
| 20:38.14 | atoponce | beandog: levi thinks he's cool. ): |
| 20:38.21 | atoponce | s/):/:)/ |
| 20:38.33 | atoponce | stupid fast fingers |
| 20:38.47 | levi | Hey, I didn't say /I/ was cool. I said I have a cool job, and QNX is cool. |
| 20:38.53 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:39.30 | levi | But if someone were to say I was cool, I wouldn't offer much of an argument against it. |
| 20:40.27 | levi | Maybe a token show of humility. Because, really, I'm not /that/ cool. But everyone likes a compliment. |
| 20:40.46 | atoponce | levi: you are cool |
| 20:40.49 | herlo | atoponce: he sent out an email just after lunch |
| 20:41.17 | levi | atoponce: Aw, shucks. I'm not as cool as you! |
| 20:42.27 | atoponce | i know. :) |
| 20:43.00 | atoponce | actually, i think anyone who can code in lisp is my hero |
| 20:43.38 | RyanE | working at a place that gives you toys is always fun. |
| 20:43.43 | levi | In common lisp or scheme? |
| 20:44.07 | atoponce | common lisp |
| 20:44.29 | atoponce | school homework a few years back. the teacher was a lisp lover |
| 20:44.42 | atoponce | i just wanted my c++ |
| 20:45.08 | levi | Common Lisp has a ton of functions that are time savers and shortcuts to doing things, but you have to know about them and how to use them before they really help. Scheme hasn't got them, so it's a lot easier to know what's there, but you've got to build a lot more helper functions yourself. |
| 20:45.54 | levi | I haven't written enough Common Lisp code to really have the idioms down. It's a 'deep' language, like C++ is. |
| 20:50.20 | levi | Oh, I also got $300 headphones to use at work. They are Very Nice. |
| 20:50.52 | atoponce | $30 even |
| 20:52.04 | thaddeusq | so atoponce, when do you start at GL and do you know where your first trip will be? |
| 20:52.19 | atoponce | 15th and no |
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| 20:54.07 | atoponce | i emailed dax to find out |
| 20:54.18 | atoponce | about if and where i'd be going, but haven't found out yet |
| 21:10.17 | sjansen | ibot: levi is cool |
| 21:10.18 | ibot | ACTION gives is cool a hovercraft and then fills it with eels! |
| 21:10.34 | sjansen | ibot: levi is as cool as a cucumber |
| 21:10.35 | ibot | ACTION gives is as cool as a cucumber a hovercraft and then fills it with eels! |
| 21:12.58 | sjansen | ~botwhack |
| 21:31.45 | teabeer | atoponce: don't you already have a job? |
| 21:33.37 | atoponce | :) |
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| 21:52.25 | levi | Grr, my program that uses popen doesn't work properly in Windows. |
| 21:58.12 | Tene | :( |
| 21:58.29 | Tene | levi: add a qnx virtualization environment to your program. |
| 21:58.39 | sjansen | Silly levi, popen is for POSIX. |
| 22:00.14 | Tene | ~lart sjansen for leaving right when I was about to talk to him |
| 22:00.15 | ibot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in sjansen's direction, hitting sjansen and sending sjansen flying into the closet for leaving right when I was about to talk to him |
| 22:03.24 | atoponce | teabeer: thx for telling mike. you know, i was waiting on an email from my wife before i said anything... |
| 22:04.12 | teabeer | atoponce: I was surprised he didn't know |
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| 22:05.09 | atoponce | no worries. it's all good. i just needed to get confirmation if we could take a vacation next week, so i could put in 1 week notice |
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| 22:07.36 | teabeer | ok |
| 22:08.27 | teabeer | congrats in any case. sorry if I spilled the beans early |
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| 22:09.51 | thaddeusq | ~lart teabeer for spilling the beans early |
| 22:09.51 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples teabeer's foot to the floor for spilling the beans early |
| 22:12.58 | atoponce | teabeer: thx. np |
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| 23:08.00 | shadowwire | Klys? |
| 23:08.13 | klys | hey man |
| 23:08.19 | klys | good thing I turned the beep on |
| 23:09.39 | klys | shadowwire: are you up to something with the vmware setup? |
| 23:11.20 | shadowwire | No, not realy. |
| 23:11.23 | klys | even though I like blogger.com for online publishing, and approve of students using email accounts to access it for commenting on research, there isn't a gmail account in my email repertoire. |
| 23:11.49 | shadowwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.17 | dataw0lf | they're not invite only anymore. |
| 23:12.21 | dataw0lf | so he can just sign up. |
| 23:12.30 | shadowwire | Oh. |
| 23:12.58 | shadowwire | There should be an invite only one out there. |
| 23:13.12 | klys | and I generally go for email servers with IMAP4 access, catchy official-looking urls, and small-business hosting |
| 23:13.17 | levi | It's weird seeing findlay on a semi-regular basis. |
| 23:13.49 | klys | so blogger.com is cool don't get me wrong |
| 23:14.12 | shadowwire | ok. I wont get you wrong. |
| 23:14.17 | klys | I would like to put on a weblog to host info from it using drupal perhaps |
| 23:15.04 | shadowwire | So, Klys... You did check out the moag blog? |
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| 23:16.13 | klys | you've got some n1ce pix up there now |
| 23:16.30 | klys | and the storytelling is...above par |
| 23:17.04 | klys | we've got two maintenance personell over here checking out the thermostat |
| 23:17.13 | klys | s/personell/personnel/ |
| 23:17.20 | klys | silly ibot |
| 23:20.31 | klys | ok they're gone |
| 23:20.40 | shadowwire | Trix are for kids! |
| 23:20.51 | shadowwire | ??? |
| 23:21.06 | shadowwire | !@#$%$%^ |
| 23:21.11 | klys | you mean ? on the rsvp? |
| 23:21.19 | shadowwire | ? |
| 23:21.26 | klys | I could be invited like for sharing a gmail account with someone |
| 23:21.43 | klys | then it would be a hack |
| 23:21.44 | shadowwire | go on? |
| 23:22.04 | klys | it would be like, clandestine countergoogle operations |
| 23:22.07 | shadowwire | Im not sure I understand |
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| 23:22.37 | klys | you would just leave hints as to who is really writing the message |
| 23:22.59 | shadowwire | hmm. Probably not. |
| 23:23.17 | klys | well, I tried |
| 23:23.35 | shadowwire | How hard is it just to get a g-mail account. |
| 23:24.00 | klys | as to the drupal thing, do you have a webserver with python installed (I sort of do) |
| 23:24.00 | shadowwire | no. |
| 23:24.32 | klys | the thing about mine is when shut off for any reason, one has to reconfigure it |
| 23:24.40 | klys | it's mostly configured now. |
| 23:24.48 | shadowwire | say wha? |
| 23:25.09 | shadowwire | Your g-mail account? |
| 23:25.17 | klys | my webserver |
| 23:25.19 | shadowwire | Oh. |
| 23:25.21 | klys | it's apache |
| 23:25.31 | shadowwire | I see. (not realy) |
| 23:25.56 | klys | well, if you /msg me I'll tell you where it is. you might already know though |
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| 23:26.57 | klys | anyway, what's going on you keeping busy? |
| 23:30.19 | klys | shadowwire: how are you doing with the scans? |
| 23:32.12 | klys | shadowwire: if you don't want to talk about it I'll just see about finding a few neighbors to share a gmail account with. you don't have to participate in what I'm doing |
| 23:32.47 | *** join/#utah decriptor (n=sshaw@161.28.253.169) |
| 23:33.19 | klys | decriptor: wzup man |
| 23:33.26 | decriptor | klys: hey |
| 23:33.33 | klys | how's asm? |
| 23:33.40 | decriptor | just loving the fact that UVSC doesn't block IRC anymore |
| 23:33.46 | decriptor | or at least my app can handle it |
| 23:33.50 | decriptor | asm, slow |
| 23:34.03 | decriptor | didn't have the time that I thought I would have |
| 23:34.08 | klys | do you have nasm, yasm, or masm32? |
| 23:34.15 | decriptor | nasm |
| 23:34.19 | klys | cool |
| 23:34.25 | decriptor | that's what is on the mac by default |
| 23:34.34 | klys | is it a powerbook? |
| 23:34.40 | decriptor | macbook pro |
| 23:34.47 | klys | hey man do you use gmail? |
| 23:34.52 | decriptor | and then the assignments are on an xserver |
| 23:34.55 | decriptor | yeah |
| 23:34.58 | decriptor | sort of |
| 23:34.58 | klys | ok |
| 23:35.00 | decriptor | at least |
| 23:35.06 | klys | are you only allowed to have one account? |
| 23:35.07 | decriptor | I use google apps for your domain |
| 23:35.15 | decriptor | ? |
| 23:35.22 | decriptor | I have 2 gmail accounts |
| 23:35.27 | decriptor | don't really check them though |
| 23:35.29 | klys | was thinking about seeing up some shared email |
| 23:35.36 | klys | it's really preliminary |
| 23:35.44 | klys | just doing a little market research |
| 23:35.58 | decriptor | ? |
| 23:36.01 | decriptor | shared email |
| 23:36.13 | klys | do they have you input an email address when you sign up? |
| 23:36.28 | klys | s/they/google/ |
| 23:36.42 | sjansen | ~ping atoponce |
| 23:36.43 | ibot | pong atoponce |
| 23:36.53 | atoponce | sjansen: pong |
| 23:37.03 | klys | it would be cool if you could email nasm and get an exe back |
| 23:37.38 | decriptor | google apps for your domain lets you use whatever domain you want, if you own it |
| 23:37.51 | decriptor | gmail you can get whatever@gmail.com |
| 23:38.15 | klys | what (pseudo)personal info do they require, I'm wondering |
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| 23:38.36 | decriptor | for which one |
| 23:38.39 | klys | either |
| 23:38.45 | decriptor | not much your nme |
| 23:38.46 | decriptor | name |
| 23:38.55 | decriptor | the first it needs company name, etc |
| 23:39.06 | klys | so, no other email is needed? |
| 23:39.17 | decriptor | yes |
| 23:39.42 | klys | s/yes/ambiguous/ |
| 23:39.44 | decriptor | I think so initial for the first one, maybe for gmail I can't remember I set mine up when they were still invite oly |
| 23:40.42 | klys | no? yes. you mean it? not really, yeah so what? I forgot like, sure |
| 23:41.53 | klys | tough crowd |
| 23:43.22 | klys | so, you have a slow project going on in asm and it's for a class |
| 23:44.59 | decriptor | well, I'm going to do it in c this time |
| 23:45.03 | decriptor | just not enough time |
| 23:45.48 | klys | gcc or g++ ? |
| 23:46.13 | decriptor | gcc |
| 23:46.34 | klys | last thing I wrote in c++ is a scheduler. I'm still awaiting comment |
| 23:46.41 | klys | er, in C |
| 23:46.56 | decriptor | I'm simulating disk algorithms |
| 23:47.21 | shadowwire | Klys: sorry had to run an errand |
| 23:47.26 | klys | oh hey |
| 23:49.01 | klys | sounds like algorithmic programming. do you prefer C for any particular reason? |
| 23:49.18 | shadowwire | Hey gotta run |
| 23:49.32 | klys | well, get the log of today and RSVP sometime OK? |
| 23:49.53 | klys | because, I'm busy tomorrow 10-4 |
| 23:50.05 | klys | and wedhesday I'm open after 11:20 |
| 23:50.11 | klys | and before 10 |
| 23:50.27 | klys | and I normally should have a schedule posted |
| 23:50.41 | shadowwire | Sorry were closed. Sorry were Open |
| 23:50.46 | klys | and talk to your webmaster about python maybe he's that good |
| 23:50.54 | shadowwire | Remember that, Klys? |
| 23:50.55 | decriptor | c because that's what most of the class is in |
| 23:51.03 | klys | underestimate. |
| 23:51.23 | Supaplex | I c |
| 23:51.35 | shadowwire | Integrated Circut? |
| 23:51.39 | Supaplex | I mean I Perl |
| 23:51.47 | shadowwire | I basic |
| 23:51.50 | Supaplex | sometimes |
| 23:51.58 | shadowwire | I dont c |
| 23:52.03 | shadowwire | Or python |
| 23:52.04 | klys | I seldom, E for me |
| 23:52.06 | Supaplex | tcp/ip? |
| 23:52.16 | shadowwire | U P? |
| 23:52.25 | Supaplex | when occasion requires it |
| 23:52.47 | shadowwire | R U? |
| 23:52.48 | klys | suggested name on a new gmail account: E. ephod |
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| 23:52.59 | shadowwire | cool |
| 23:53.22 | shadowwire | ok gotta go. ttyl8er |
| 23:53.29 | klys | of course, there would be 3 phods |
| 23:53.33 | klys | ok ciao |
| 23:53.33 | Supaplex | buh-bye |
| 23:54.19 | klys | this is just me being silly |
| 23:54.28 | klys | need a battle plan |
| 23:54.42 | klys | first I have to host an email address ad zendurl or leadhoster |
| 23:55.27 | klys | and then make anything sent there part of an .html |
