| 00:00.09 | sontek | yeah export LESS="-X" worked |
| 00:03.04 | vontrapp | i like -R, too |
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| 01:11.06 | bonez39 | why might I get this message, or rather what does it mean and how can I resolve it? ? > Failed to fetch http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) Reading package lists... Done E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 01:11.31 | bonez39 | this is on a box running sarge..I have no entry in sources.list with ANY etch reference.....nothing |
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| 01:26.03 | vontrapp | bonez39: your repo is bad? |
| 01:26.11 | vontrapp | check the url in the sources.list file |
| 01:26.23 | vontrapp | make sure it's what it's supposed to be |
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| 01:38.18 | levi | Gah, it's hard to do homework with a crying baby. |
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| 02:13.43 | levi | Hey, elg, did you put your version of the no-knead bread on your blog? |
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| 02:39.58 | elg | I think so, sometime |
| 02:40.04 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/bread.pdf |
| 02:40.57 | Tene | So, what happens if you knead the no-knead bread? |
| 02:43.45 | Supaplex | needless kneading noknead nullifies gnarly gnarls |
| 02:43.48 | Supaplex | or something |
| 02:49.44 | elg | Tene: not much |
| 02:49.54 | elg | other than it becomes kneaded bread |
| 02:52.09 | levi | elg: How's the no-knead bread differ from kneaded bread when it's baked? |
| 02:53.40 | elg | more and bigger holes, but that's more due to the hydration, although not mechanically working it does contribute |
| 02:53.58 | elg | and it tastes better, because of the long development (again, not directly due to not kneading) |
| 02:54.21 | elg | my first frozen dough experiment was a fantastic success |
| 02:54.33 | elg | but... it thawed too quickly. it was ready after 4 hours. I sleep longer than that. :) |
| 02:54.43 | levi | Oops. :) |
| 02:54.51 | levi | I sleep longer than that most days. |
| 02:54.54 | elg | well I did it during the day just in case |
| 02:55.14 | Supaplex | elg kneads to wake up early next time. |
| 02:55.16 | elg | so I'm going to try one overnight anyway, see if it works out ok, and one in the fridge |
| 02:55.32 | elg | maybe it will thaw and rise in the fridge enough to bake in the morning |
| 02:55.44 | levi | My bread book suggests the long development time for most of the bread formulas, though he has you sticking it in the fridge overnight. |
| 02:55.44 | elg | I'm afraid it will take too long in the fridge though - and not be ready to bake before heading off to school |
| 02:56.01 | Supaplex | can you set a timer on the oven? |
| 02:56.07 | elg | some ovens |
| 02:56.08 | elg | not mine |
| 02:56.28 | elg | I like reduced yeast amounts rather than strictly retarding by refrigeration |
| 02:56.44 | elg | most recipes call for too much yeast because we're too impatient, and the taste suffers |
| 02:56.51 | Supaplex | stone age. where's our flying cars and teleporters on every block already. |
| 02:56.51 | levi | You'd severely overcook it anyway, since the heat doesn't disappear just because you're finished. |
| 02:56.57 | elg | but whatever you can do to retard will contribute to a better flavor |
| 02:57.49 | levi | So your no-knead uses a low yeast amount so it's not overly-risen at the end of the 18 hours? |
| 02:58.13 | elg | right |
| 02:58.26 | levi | Ah, I see. |
| 02:58.30 | elg | even so it rises as far as it's gonna long before that |
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| 02:58.56 | elg | the yeast eats everything within reach and wallows in its acidic byproducts |
| 02:59.12 | levi | It doesn't collapse when baking? My wife over-rose some rolls, and they turned out flat. |
| 02:59.13 | elg | but when you deflate and shape it, you redistribute and they go at it again |
| 02:59.23 | levi | Ahh, that must be the difference. |
| 02:59.32 | Supaplex | insightful |
| 02:59.38 | elg | yeah, if you overrise with a lots-o-yeast recipe, you're pretty much screwed |
| 03:00.01 | elg | of course, yeast grows exponentially, so after one punch-down you *do* have a lots-o-yeast recipe. :) |
| 03:00.06 | elg | maybe two |
| 03:00.27 | elg | I've once or twice had the overproofing problem, but usually if I just punch it down again it turns out ok, if not good |
| 03:00.45 | levi | Can you bake it on a stone easily instead of the dutch oven? |
| 03:02.02 | elg | sure, no problem |
| 03:02.56 | levi | Maybe I'll start a batch tomorrow. |
| 03:03.03 | sontek | is there a way to monitor the requests i'm going to so I can see whats wrong with my routing? |
| 03:03.12 | elg | or in a pan if you're boring |
| 03:03.26 | sontek | for some reason I can't get to google.com, need to figure it out =) |
| 03:03.29 | levi | For now, I have half a yummy artisan sourdough boule to munch on. |
| 03:03.57 | elg | yum |
| 03:04.06 | levi | Got it from a farmer's market. |
| 03:04.17 | elg | my little frozen batard turned out delicious. wasn't sourdough but it almost tasted like it was |
| 03:04.27 | elg | we devoured it for dinner |
| 03:04.49 | levi | There's a couple that just started a baking business this summer. They've been renting after-hours time at a bakery and selling at the farmer's market. |
| 03:05.09 | levi | They're hoping to build their own bakery in the next year or so. |
| 03:05.35 | elg | fun |
| 03:05.41 | Hearts|laptop | sontek: blame herlo |
| 03:07.10 | levi | Hopefully by then I'll have my brick oven, though. ;) |
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| 03:17.44 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: why me? What'd I do? |
| 03:30.25 | levi | A new Knight Rider show? Say it ain't so. |
| 03:42.03 | sontek | does it have hasslehoff? :D |
| 03:42.42 | Supaplex | oi |
| 03:43.47 | herlo | ~lart sontek |
| 03:43.47 | ibot | gives sontek a good seeing to |
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| 04:12.14 | Hearts|laptop | herlo: I don't know |
| 04:12.52 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: but why? |
| 04:14.11 | Hearts|laptop | herlo: I have no good reason |
| 04:14.25 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: why not? |
| 04:15.23 | Hearts|laptop | herlo: cause I am still on Canuckistan time] |
| 04:15.24 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: I don't get it |
| 04:15.32 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: where is that? |
| 04:17.32 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: I like Canuckistan |
| 04:18.30 | Hearts|laptop | You ever think that the Canucks call it Linucks |
| 04:18.41 | Sargun | Hearts|laptop, who be you |
| 04:20.18 | Hearts|laptop | It feels good to be home |
| 04:27.23 | herlo | Sargun: does it matter, really? |
| 04:27.33 | Sargun | yeah |
| 04:27.46 | herlo | sontek: why? |
| 04:27.46 | Sargun | I haven't seen it/him |
| 04:27.47 | Hearts|laptop | I could leave? |
| 04:27.48 | herlo | Sargun: why? |
| 04:27.59 | Sargun | er |
| 04:28.02 | Sargun | /her |
| 04:28.14 | Sargun | because, then I can try to cater to my audience. |
| 04:28.23 | Sargun | and I like to know who I'm talking to |
| 04:28.58 | herlo | Sargun: you're talking to Hearts|laptop |
| 04:30.36 | Sargun | herlo == heats laptop. |
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| 04:30.55 | Sargun | Hearts|laptop, Well, what's up? |
| 04:30.58 | Sargun | Are you in college? |
| 04:31.15 | Hearts|laptop | Sargun: no |
| 04:32.07 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 04:32.18 | Sargun | Work in computers? |
| 04:32.23 | Sargun | or IT field? |
| 04:32.29 | Hearts|laptop | Sargun: yes |
| 04:32.41 | herlo | Sargun: herlo != Hearts|laptop |
| 04:32.48 | tensai | levi: I quite like elg's bread.pdf. I really like the no-knead bread. good stuff. |
| 04:33.25 | Sargun | Hearts|laptop, Ah, as what? |
| 04:33.31 | Sargun | tensai, what kind? |
| 04:33.42 | tensai | Sargun: labneh. it's a fresh yogurt cheese |
| 04:34.04 | tensai | from the middle east somewheres |
| 04:34.17 | Sargun | sounds good. |
| 04:34.39 | levi | tensai: Cool, I'll be trying it out soon. |
| 04:35.14 | Sargun | tensai, try paneer |
| 04:35.19 | Sargun | not as cool, but much easier |
| 04:36.48 | tensai | Sargun: that does look interesting. I may give that a try. |
| 04:37.34 | tensai | I doubt it can be that much easier than labneh. 1) add salt to yogurt. 2) wait. 3) profit!!! |
| 04:38.18 | Sargun | oh |
| 04:38.21 | Sargun | Seriously |
| 04:38.31 | Sargun | do you make your own yogurt? |
| 04:38.35 | Sargun | and how long is 2? |
| 04:38.43 | tensai | I'm just a beginner so I'm taking this nice and slow |
| 04:38.45 | tensai | 24 hours |
| 04:38.50 | Sargun | Ah |
| 04:38.58 | Sargun | I do the making my own yogurt thing |
| 04:38.59 | tensai | I considered making the yogurt, but skipped it for now. it's Dannon. |
| 04:39.13 | Sargun | I recommend getting an infrared thermometer. |
| 04:39.26 | Sargun | Getting a culture is difficult, but you can usually go to a health food store. |
| 04:40.57 | tensai | getting a culture is difficult? it's $.79 at Albertson's |
| 04:41.33 | Sargun | I've tried just plain store bought yogurt, and it didn't work. |
| 04:41.40 | Sargun | I had to go to a local health food store. |
| 04:42.21 | levi | Probably got to get one that says 'live and active culture' on it. |
| 04:42.30 | tensai | we made yogurt once in a while as kids and store bought yogurt always worked. this guy whose labneh I'm making also recommends it. |
| 04:42.33 | tensai | http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese.html |
| 04:42.41 | brac | [Fankhauser's Cheese Page] |
| 04:42.58 | levi | Some store-bought yogurt doesn't have live cultures, presumably because they pasteurized it or something. |
| 04:43.05 | tensai | I bought 7 kinds of yogurt for a taste test and all of them said live cultures |
| 04:43.32 | levi | Yeah. Most of yogurt I've seen says that, but I've heard that some doesn't. |
| 04:43.42 | tensai | maybe Sargun just got lucky |
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| 04:45.52 | tensai | Sargun: so you make paneer? |
| 04:46.03 | Hearts|laptop | herlo: did sontek complain about all other distros except Gentoo while I was gone |
| 04:46.05 | Hearts|laptop | ??? |
| 04:46.38 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: he's converted this week to OpenSUSE, last week it was Fedora |
| 04:47.11 | Hearts|laptop | herlo: can you say flip flopper |
| 04:47.46 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: flip flpper |
| 04:47.52 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: nope, apparently not |
| 04:47.54 | herlo | :) |
| 04:48.42 | Hearts|laptop | hehehe you going on the road this week? |
| 04:51.19 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: nope |
| 04:51.38 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: I'll be at the BYU-UUG on Thursday, listening to an LDAP presentation by Michael Torrie |
| 04:52.23 | Hearts|laptop | herlo: Well then I will BS with you tomorrow |
| 04:52.34 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: sweet |
| 04:52.49 | herlo | Tene: I'm going to attempt to stream it live |
| 04:53.00 | Tene | herlo: interesting. |
| 04:53.01 | herlo | and I'll put the recording up right afterward... |
| 04:53.20 | Hearts|laptop | night |
| 04:53.20 | herlo | Tene: if it works |
| 04:53.25 | herlo | Hearts|laptop: gnight |
| 04:54.13 | herlo | Tene: http://www.utos.org/2007/09/27/presenting-at-southern-utah-unix-user-group-su3g/ && http://www.utos.org/2007/09/27/su3g-presentation-audio/ |
| 04:54.27 | herlo | Tene: those are from Thursday last week. That's my presentation |
| 05:04.55 | levi | "The lions and the lambs ain't sleepin' yet." |
| 05:06.10 | Sargun | tensai, I do, yes. |
| 05:07.08 | Sargun | Paneer, yogurt, but not labneh |
| 05:08.08 | tensai | how do you eat paneer? |
| 05:08.45 | Sargun | Plain |
| 05:08.51 | Sargun | with curry |
| 05:09.02 | Sargun | baked + some spices on it |
| 05:09.12 | vontrapp | on pancakes |
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| 05:09.22 | tensai | with curry sounds interesting |
| 05:09.25 | Sargun | bake it with a little lemon and pepper |
| 05:09.30 | Sargun | tastes good. |
| 05:09.39 | Sargun | Curry with peas, and paneer |
| 05:09.48 | tensai | paneer in the curry, or on the side? |
| 05:09.52 | Sargun | sometimes you even add potatoes |
| 05:09.53 | Sargun | in |
| 05:10.04 | Sargun | there are also different versions of paneer. |
| 05:10.12 | Sargun | Like you can have it soft. |
| 05:11.37 | Sargun | Tene, Have you had Tofu? |
| 05:12.12 | tensai | I assume you meant me |
| 05:12.17 | tensai | yes, I eat tofu all the time |
| 05:12.26 | tensai | there's some in the fridge right now, in fact |
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| 05:14.08 | tensai | at the farmer's market today they had some "greek frying cheese" that I was sorely tempted to purchase |
| 05:15.01 | Sargun | Tene, hm. |
| 05:15.05 | tensai | wikipedia says this paneer stuff doesn't melt. I might try what the farmer lady was saying, which is to slice it thinly and fry it on both sides. |
| 05:15.14 | Sargun | No, it doesn't |
| 05:15.17 | Sargun | Its amazing. |
| 05:15.19 | Sargun | and scary |
| 05:15.36 | Sargun | It does burn |
| 05:15.40 | Sargun | which is also scary |
| 05:22.58 | levi | So, I assume this paneer you're talking about is the cheese in the saag paneer I have at the Indian restaurant? |
| 05:25.02 | tensai | I heard a guy on KCRW's Good Food describe that process but he called it fresh mozzarella |
| 05:25.51 | tensai | he used raw milk and said that despite being lactose intolerant, he can eat it because unpasteurized milk contains lactase |
| 05:27.30 | levi | Mmm, fresh mozzarella. |
| 05:28.24 | levi | According to wikipedia, paneer is like mozarella but without the salt and the meltiness. |
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| 05:32.02 | levi | Mmmm: http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_22389,00.html |
| 05:32.04 | brac | [Saag Paneer Recipe: Recipes: Food Network] |
| 05:36.59 | tensai | fankhauser's fresh mozzarella recipe is quite a bit more involved |
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| 06:14.02 | vontrapp | is there a ruby method i can call on a string to make it filename friendly? |
| 06:18.27 | levi | acts_as_filename? :P |
| 06:39.07 | Supaplex | yay! power's on. |
| 06:55.15 | Sargun | levi, you right. |
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| 14:50.25 | elg | -metar kpvu |
| 14:50.26 | brac | KPVU 301356Z 00000KT 15SM SKC 02/M02 A3036 |
| 14:50.35 | elg | yikes, it's cold for sept 30 |
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| 19:57.34 | Sargun | ooh |
| 19:57.45 | Sargun | ~weather 94566 |
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| 23:30.30 | levi | Aaagh, the storm yesterday blew a bunch of shingles off my roof. |
| 23:31.42 | Sargun | levi, which is why Utahnian weather sucks. |
| 23:31.46 | herlo | levi: go fix them... |
| 23:32.05 | herlo | Sargun: its boring to have sunny or foggy weather all year long. You know what's gonna happen |
| 23:32.24 | Sargun | That the weather is going to be nice? |
| 23:32.24 | levi | herlo: I don't have a ladder tall enough to get me up there. |
| 23:32.46 | herlo | levi: oooh. Home Depot is open today IIRC |
| 23:32.48 | Supaplex | use tEh force |
| 23:33.27 | Sargun | tensai, Lebnah, how is your Lebnah? |
| 23:58.15 | herlo | nick125: write a script |
| 23:58.32 | nick125 | herlo: I don't think a script can open the case and pop the cd in. |
| 23:58.35 | nick125 | sadly. |
| 23:59.02 | Sargun | nick125, Its Nick! |
| 23:59.14 | Sargun | Buy an automagical CD changer. |