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| 01:55.45 | atoponce | Supaplex: i'll take this out of that channel here, as it really isn't debian-related |
| 01:56.02 | atoponce | how much would you be willing to sell you x86 tiger for? |
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| 05:34.50 | Sargun | chomp? |
| 05:36.11 | Lakshmi | chomp? |
| 05:36.36 | Supaplex | decriptor: aGkgdGhlcmUhCg== |
| 05:37.59 | decriptor | Supaplex: ? |
| 05:38.28 | Supaplex | hi there in base64. |
| 05:38.39 | Supaplex | s/i/y/ your nick, and well.. |
| 05:38.51 | decriptor | well, then aGkgdGhlcmUhCg== |
| 05:38.57 | Supaplex | hah |
| 05:39.15 | decriptor | yeah, I'm not that good, or good at it at all :P |
| 05:39.27 | decriptor | old inside thing from last century :P |
| 05:39.53 | Supaplex | V2VsbCB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkIHByYWN0aWNlIG1vcmUgb2Z0ZW4uIGhlaGVoZS4K |
| 05:39.57 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 05:41.17 | decriptor | where's my convertor |
| 05:43.09 | Supaplex | mimedecode |
| 05:50.44 | Supaplex | heh oh well. |
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| 07:41.19 | Sargun | o.O? |
| 07:43.19 | Supaplex | *burp* |
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| 12:44.12 | sontek | ~lart Supaplex |
| 12:44.12 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Supaplex |
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| 14:18.26 | fozzmoo | herlo: ping |
| 14:18.52 | un_dave | hi fozzmoo, herlo |
| 14:18.59 | herlo | fozzmoo: pong |
| 14:19.16 | un_dave | Dave_AU here. in disguise. |
| 14:19.53 | un_dave | how's Utah going? |
| 14:22.00 | un_dave | ah, quiet, as per usual |
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| 14:22.22 | herlo | un_dave: as in Port 0' Call Dave_AU? |
| 14:22.47 | un_dave | indeed. one and the same. |
| 14:22.55 | herlo | un_dave: its herlo, or Clint |
| 14:23.12 | herlo | I'm not the brit |
| 14:23.19 | un_dave | i remember. fond times they were indeed. |
| 14:23.24 | herlo | aye! |
| 14:23.36 | herlo | hehe, well I didn't know you were on this channel, so welcome |
| 14:23.46 | un_dave | heh, i haven't had a night like that for quite some time. |
| 14:23.57 | herlo | un_dave: well good! me neither |
| 14:24.08 | un_dave | i just snuck on then. i'm back in australia now. working my usual job |
| 14:24.31 | herlo | un_dave: how's the weather? |
| 14:24.44 | herlo | probably better than here... |
| 14:24.56 | un_dave | ah, nice and wintery here. it's been cold and raining on and off all day |
| 14:25.13 | herlo | hmm, same here, except fall like |
| 14:25.44 | un_dave | catcha later herlo |
| 14:26.39 | un_dave | fozzmoo: was it you who linked me to that article, the command line? |
| 14:26.52 | fozzmoo | un_dave: yep. |
| 14:27.00 | fozzmoo | Neal Stephenson's essay/book thing. |
| 14:27.18 | un_dave | well, i read it, and i loved it. it inspired me. |
| 14:27.25 | fozzmoo | heh. Cool. |
| 14:27.28 | un_dave | so i'm now driving a tank |
| 14:27.33 | un_dave | and it's awesome |
| 14:27.35 | fozzmoo | It's a bit dated, but generally speaking it's right on the mark. |
| 14:28.12 | fozzmoo | un_dave: Congrats on the tank. Do you have a teepee? A yurt? :) |
| 14:28.30 | un_dave | haha, none of that yet |
| 14:28.44 | elg | -chat it is |
| 14:28.44 | brac | it is a public ip, along with it. |
| 14:28.53 | elg | -chat so, who |
| 14:28.53 | brac | so, who was in Charleston, where they do it all compiled with --enable-soap. Looking at their next election |
| 14:29.05 | un_dave | i decided it was time to upgrade my workstation, so i bought a new pc, and loaded it straight up with ubuntu |
| 14:29.07 | elg | ooh, remind me to stay away from Charleston |
| 14:29.17 | un_dave | fozzmoo: haven't looked back yet |
| 14:29.40 | fozzmoo | I've heard Ubuntu is a nice desktop distro. |
| 14:30.19 | un_dave | it's doing very nicely so far. only one little niggle. :S |
| 14:30.47 | un_dave | i have samba installed. and setup. *but* i get some weird connection speed issues. |
| 14:31.06 | fozzmoo | strange. |
| 14:31.12 | un_dave | you guys feel like troubleshooting for me ? |
| 14:31.31 | elg | emcnabb always feels like troubleshooting |
| 14:31.39 | un_dave | i'm hoping someone will say 'oh, yeah, that's just this setting...' and all will be good |
| 14:31.53 | elg | speak up, maybe they will |
| 14:32.16 | fozzmoo | I |
| 14:32.21 | fozzmoo | I'll tty'all later. |
| 14:32.22 | un_dave | anyway, the issue is, i can copy to/from my ubuntu share fine from a windows box |
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| 14:32.58 | un_dave | but when i try and access my share from my other debian box, i get crazy slow speeds |
| 14:33.15 | elg | latency or throughput? |
| 14:33.20 | elg | (or both) |
| 14:33.22 | un_dave | like 10 - 100 kbytes per sec |
| 14:33.29 | un_dave | latency is fine |
| 14:33.34 | un_dave | so far as i can tell |
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| 14:33.58 | un_dave | ftp, ssh etc all run fine. speeds up to 8mbyte per second |
| 14:35.53 | un_dave | Using Nautilus 2.18.1 in gnome, i open two windows. |
| 14:35.53 | un_dave | one is the drop box on debian xbox (prometheus) |
| 14:35.53 | un_dave | \\prometheus\drop |
| 14:36.03 | un_dave | the other is my desktop, ubuntu (hades). |
| 14:36.03 | un_dave | \\hades\drop |
| 14:36.09 | un_dave | Using these windows i drag and drop a movie file from one window to another. |
| 14:36.09 | un_dave | prometheus -> hades FAST |
| 14:36.09 | un_dave | hades -> prometheus SLOW |
| 14:36.15 | un_dave | I then transfered the same file using smbclient, the same directions. The results then are: |
| 14:36.16 | un_dave | prometheus -> hades FAST |
| 14:36.16 | un_dave | hades -> prometheus FAST |
| 14:36.42 | un_dave | So. in conclusion, i'm very, very confused. |
| 14:36.56 | elg | ah, but we can blame nautilus |
| 14:37.17 | un_dave | no, not really, because of one last thing i havent mentioned. |
| 14:37.20 | un_dave | :P |
| 14:37.45 | un_dave | i run xbox media center on my network, and access shares via samba |
| 14:38.07 | un_dave | now even it, can't access the network at any speed! |
| 14:38.56 | un_dave | i cant even play a dvd rip, it cant stream it fast enough! |
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| 14:44.09 | teabeer | un_dave: what machine has the two windows open? |
| 14:44.49 | un_dave | hades. the new ubuntu one |
| 14:45.53 | elg | xbox gets its files over samba from prometheus? |
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| 14:46.07 | elg | and by "any speed" do you mean any reasonable speed? |
| 14:46.18 | elg | or has smb stopped working altogether? |
| 14:46.33 | un_dave | yep. it gets them fine off prometheus, but it goes slow off hades |
| 14:46.47 | un_dave | any speed = slow |
| 14:46.56 | un_dave | sorry, wasnt very clear there. |
| 14:47.05 | elg | it can't access the network at slow? :) |
| 14:47.23 | elg | it can only access the network at fast, I guess. |
| 14:47.34 | un_dave | it cant access the network at any reasonable speed :P |
| 14:47.46 | elg | but it can |
| 14:47.55 | elg | it just can't access hades at reasonable speed |
| 14:48.15 | un_dave | basicly, i'll sit and buffer for a while, then start playing, but eventually run out of buffer, and stutter |
| 14:48.25 | teabeer | ..or it just can't access hades samba at reasonable speed.. |
| 14:48.46 | teabeer | can it access other services on hades at reasonable spped? |
| 14:49.22 | un_dave | well, i'm not sure how i could test anything else on the media center |
| 14:49.42 | un_dave | i could ftp onto it, i bet it would get awesome speed over ftp' |
| 14:50.04 | teabeer | that might help identify if the problem is with the service or the network |
| 14:51.08 | un_dave | ok, just a sec |
| 14:51.12 | elg | what kind of nic? |
| 14:51.14 | elg | on hades |
| 14:51.31 | un_dave | Realtek 8111B-GR nic. |
| 14:52.07 | un_dave | i just attempted to install the updated drivers from here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=5&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false |
| 14:52.11 | elg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/84782 |
| 14:52.15 | elg | replace the nic |
| 14:52.24 | un_dave | i think it all worked, but i dont think it helped |
| 14:54.18 | un_dave | hrm. i did what the guy said, installed the new driver |
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| 14:55.46 | un_dave | i think i have both those modules loaded now! |
| 14:55.56 | un_dave | Followed the readme instructions to build and install. |
| 14:55.56 | un_dave | After rebooting I found I had the 2 modules (r8169 and r8168) loaded :-( |
| 14:55.56 | un_dave | So I manually removed both and then manually loaded the r8168 module |
| 14:55.56 | un_dave | 'bounced the network (/etc/init.d/networking restart) and presto.. super fast SAMBA access |
| 14:56.16 | un_dave | how do i remove the r8169 module? |
| 14:56.24 | elg | modprobe -r r8169 |
| 14:57.26 | un_dave | ok, if i do that, and i have r8168 installed already, should it just use that one then by default? |
| 14:58.11 | elg | i'd remove them both and then modprobe r8168 |
| 14:58.16 | elg | or whichever you want it to use |
| 14:58.26 | un_dave | ok, i'll try that! |
| 14:58.45 | un_dave | if i disappear... you know i got it wrong :P |
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| 14:59.08 | elg | don't forget to restart networking |
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| 15:00.33 | elg | -chat jsmith is |
| 15:00.33 | brac | jsmith is back now. |
| 15:00.50 | un_dave | YAY |
| 15:00.55 | un_dave | i'm still here! |
| 15:01.14 | jsmith | It's good to be back :-) |
| 15:01.29 | jsmith | (Well, as back as I can be considering this crummy hotel network) |
| 15:02.03 | un_dave | OMG OMG OMG OMG |
| 15:02.08 | un_dave | works! |
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| 15:03.13 | goozbach | jsmith: get your udev thingy working? |
| 15:03.51 | elg | un_dave: now you probably want to rm the old one /lib/modules/`uname -r`/??/r8169.ko |
| 15:04.02 | un_dave | elg: cheers muchly. i'll right up a post for that on the ubuntu forums. there's lots more having the same issues. |
| 15:04.21 | elg | or perhaps just blacklist it |
| 15:04.23 | un_dave | is that to stop it being loaded again? |
| 15:04.27 | elg | ya |
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| 15:04.56 | jsmith | goozbach: Yeah, pretty much. |
| 15:05.03 | jsmith | goozbach: I appreciate you sending me that |
| 15:05.09 | un_dave | ok. and will the r8168 be loaded next time i boot automaticly? |
| 15:05.30 | elg | probably |
| 15:05.39 | elg | one way to find out |
| 15:05.48 | un_dave | ok. sweet. which is better, rm, or blacklist? |
| 15:06.05 | elg | blacklist I guess |
| 15:06.54 | un_dave | and how do i go about that ? or is this mine, to google :P |
| 15:07.16 | elg | I think, |
| 15:07.44 | elg | echo blacklist r8189 > /etc/modprobe.d/stupidsmb |
| 15:08.09 | elg | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-modules.html |
| 15:08.10 | brac | [Debian Linux Kernel Handbook - Managing the kernel modules] |
| 15:10.18 | sjansen | I wonder if I'll ever stopping feeling instantly grateful and happy everytime I unlock my screen with a fingerprint instead of a complicated password. |
| 15:10.25 | sjansen | thinkfinger++ |
| 15:11.03 | jsmith | sjansen: Just, just go making the rest of us jealous! |
| 15:11.48 | Jayce^ | ~show sjansen a finger |
| 15:14.53 | Keighvin | sjansen: That fingerprint does not require anything to verify that it still belongs to the original grower - pulse oximeter, for example. |
| 15:15.15 | Keighvin | A password requires your conscious volition to coerce (and admittedly, there are some very effective methods for that). |
| 15:15.53 | Keighvin | All your scanner requires is a hatchet or bolt cutters, or any of a variety of impliments of incision (precision not necessarily required) |
| 15:17.00 | un_dave | yay for involuntary surgery |
| 15:19.02 | sjansen | Keighvin: If someone wants my finger I'll just give them my password. Or a screw driver. Or tell them to boot to runlevel 1. Any would be sufficient. |
| 15:21.17 | Keighvin | Now see, that would ruin all the fun of it. |
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| 15:23.24 | sjansen | Depends on whether you're the current owner of the finger. |
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| 15:25.49 | sjansen | ~quote SCOX |
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| 15:27.33 | un_dave | ok, echo blacklist r8169 > sudo /etc/modprobe.d/stupidsmb |
| 15:27.42 | un_dave | didn't work to blacklist the module |
| 15:27.53 | un_dave | i just restarted, and it's using it now |
| 15:32.34 | un_dave | ok, this is weird. how come when i run this: |
| 15:32.35 | un_dave | echo blacklist r8169 > sudo /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 15:32.49 | un_dave | then look in here: sudo vi /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 15:33.16 | un_dave | i dont see the blacklist r8169 line?!? |
| 15:36.24 | sontek | un_dave: because you are piping your command to sudo |
| 15:36.27 | sontek | un_dave: use tee -a |
| 15:36.50 | un_dave | i edited it manually with gedit... is that going to be ok? |
| 15:37.18 | un_dave | i guess we'll find out |
| 15:37.22 | un_dave | restarting now |
| 15:38.52 | goozbach | sjansen: I would LOVE to unlock my laptop with a finger swipe! |
| 15:39.07 | goozbach | if I *HAD* a laptop with a fingerprint reader |
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| 15:39.12 | Jayce^ | gratz to mozy |
| 15:39.12 | goozbach | ~lart lenovo |
| 15:39.12 | ibot | whacks lenovo upside the head |
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| 15:40.51 | Dave_AU | formerly un_dave |
| 15:41.17 | Dave_AU | ok, so it's still loading that module, even though i've blacklisted it |
| 15:41.44 | Dave_AU | anyone have any other ideas? |
| 15:44.57 | sontek | Dave_AU: are you running fedora? |
| 15:45.16 | Dave_AU | ubuntu |
| 15:48.18 | sontek | Dave_AU: what you did should've worked |
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| 15:48.58 | Dave_AU | hmm. well it's definitely loaded the module. |
| 15:49.09 | sontek | Dave_AU: but you can modprobe -r it |
| 15:49.30 | Dave_AU | yeah, but dont want to have to do that every bootup |
| 15:49.45 | Dave_AU | if i just move the .ko file, would that work? |
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| 16:10.31 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:11.36 | Keighvin | ~whaleslap redbeard2 |
| 16:11.37 | ibot | ACTION beats redbeard2 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 16:14.36 | Dave_AU | crap. i moved the r8169.ko file, and still it loads the module?? |
| 16:14.45 | Dave_AU | anyone have any more ideas? |
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| 16:36.10 | levi | Any of you perl people hear about the Perl 6 to machine code via Common Lisp thing? |
| 16:36.46 | Tene | Yep, been watching it as it's been happening. |
| 16:36.57 | levi | How far along is it, really? |
| 16:37.09 | Tene | It can run "hello world" right now. |
| 16:37.30 | findlay-w | wow |
| 16:37.31 | findlay-w | cool |
| 16:37.34 | Tene | It's a backend/emitter for one of the compilers. |
| 16:37.43 | levi | Hmmm. That doesn't tell me much, really. It could either be really far along, or barely begun. |
| 16:38.20 | Tene | There's a decent amount of infrastructure that's letting it be developed pretty quickly, but it can only run a very minimal subset of Perl 6. |
| 16:38.29 | levi | Interesting. |
| 16:38.48 | Tene | It's about three or four days old, and can run some basic statements. |
| 16:39.10 | levi | Someone is clearly insane, but that's okay. I guess Perl does that to you. ;) |
| 16:39.37 | Tene | Does it make him more or less insane if the original implementor didn't know any lisp at all before starting? |
| 16:39.52 | levi | Heh. That would be more. :) |
| 16:40.01 | Tene | Yeah, sounds about right. |
| 16:41.24 | levi | Common Lisp actually has a subset that's pretty much designed as a target language, for use in macros. |
| 16:41.50 | Tene | Interesting. |
| 16:42.31 | levi | Such as tagbody, which creates a block with tags that you can branch to. |
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| 16:43.35 | Tene | levi: where did you hear about it? |
| 16:44.20 | levi | Not quite as flexible as some of Scheme's more complex continuations + hygenic macros, but there's less overhead and a fairly straightforward translation to machine code. |
| 16:44.32 | levi | Tene: Various blogs and such. |
| 16:46.41 | Tene | It's not currently anything useful, but the kp6 project is where most of the pugs activity has moved to. Pugs has stalled pretty severely after audreyt stopped work on it due to health issues or some such. |
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| 16:47.06 | Tene | Parrot, otoh, has been making some pretty nice progress since I've been watching it. |
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| 17:01.53 | elg | oh joy, these kinds of questions are fun to grade: "Give pseudocode to partition an array in-place such that first come all elements less than v, then all elements equal to v, then all elements greater than v, in O(n) time." |
| 17:02.10 | elg | of course, the elegant answer the prof had in mind is some 10 lines |
| 17:02.36 | elg | but you have to work through the twisted mind of the student that has 2 pages of small print and 10 counter variables |
| 17:03.07 | elg | whose algorithm is dubiously correct but definitely O(n) |
| 17:08.04 | sjansen | elg: That's why all coding projects should include automated tests. |
| 17:08.49 | sjansen | Make students write unit tests a few times. They give the free unit tests. Then mix it up, sometimes providing tests other times keeping the private and requiring students create there own. |
| 17:08.56 | elg | heh. I can see the final now. "... please include unit tests." |
| 17:09.15 | elg | did I mention it was an exam? :) |
| 17:09.28 | sjansen | ... |
| 17:10.04 | elg | hence the pseudocode |
| 17:10.19 | sjansen | Perhaps its time to careful consider other career opportunities. |
| 17:10.42 | elg | don't worry, I don't plan to be a TA forever |
| 17:11.57 | sjansen | Here's a new opinion, created special just for you elg: professors should have to grade a sizable random sample of their tests themselves to discourage hard to grade problems. |
| 17:12.18 | elg | :-) |
| 17:12.36 | Supaplex | sjansen: get my pic for the putty blog? |
| 17:12.42 | elg | well it's not a random samble, but profs do have to do that at most universities that don't have enough money to get TAs for every class |
| 17:13.02 | elg | Supaplex: heh, sjansen's blog is the putty blog |
| 17:13.17 | sjansen | Supaplex... |
| 17:13.22 | elg | send me some and I'll make a putty pizza and cook it in my brick oven |
| 17:13.45 | Supaplex | sjansen: the ant/alien+gurulabs logo |
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| 17:14.21 | sjansen | Look! A harleypig! |
| 17:14.28 | elg | -chat oh no, |
| 17:14.28 | brac | oh no, blitzrage! |
| 17:14.36 | elg | -chat oh no, |
| 17:14.36 | brac | oh no, someone replied already and explained why you use eich-eich-eich-eich-eich |
| 17:14.59 | elg | for some bac-bac-bac-bac-bacon? |
| 17:15.59 | sjansen | http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/docs/pizza-inv.html |
| 17:16.00 | brac | [Pizza Inversion - A Pattern for Efficient Resource Consumption] |
| 17:16.31 | harleypig | FINALLY! Suzanne has 30 days to get her shit together or I get the kids by default. |
| 17:16.38 | harleypig | The end of the tunnel is near! |
| 17:17.39 | levi | I take it that she's not likely to actually get it together? |
| 17:18.47 | harleypig | I don't think so. There's always the chance that the judge will say "Well, the kids've been where they are for a couple of months now, long enough for them to start integrating into their community" which will just suck so much wind. |
| 17:19.40 | harleypig | But I actually, for the first time in months, have hope that I might actually be able to have these kids back. |
| 17:24.21 | Jayce^ | harleypig, gratz... |
| 17:24.43 | sjansen | Supaplex: http://blogs.gurulabs.com/stuart/archives/2007/09/close_encounter.html |
| 17:24.44 | brac | [Stuart's Blog: Close Encounters of the Putty Kind] |
| 17:24.51 | Jayce^ | levi, about as far from together as you can get.. |
| 17:27.45 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it's pretty applicable |
| 17:27.53 | tensai | the internet the way it was meant to be |
| 17:27.55 | tensai | http://isen.com/blog/uploaded_images/5z6vt4n-720249.jpg |
| 17:28.29 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 17:29.16 | sontek | ~lart ~language |
| 17:29.16 | ibot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on ~language |
| 17:29.38 | Jayce^ | ~lart sontek |
| 17:29.38 | ibot | hauls sontek up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 17:29.42 | harleypig | err ... tensai: is someone really pushing that? or is it a joke? |
| 17:30.12 | tensai | harleypig: AT&T would love to, but so far it's not real |
| 17:30.16 | harleypig | "Full access does not include access to illegal materialsl" |
| 17:30.22 | harleypig | ah |
| 17:30.32 | sontek | http://blogs.gurulabs.com/stuart/archives/2007/09/close_encounter.html |
| 17:30.33 | brac | [Stuart's Blog: Close Encounters of the Putty Kind] |
| 17:30.35 | sontek | whoops |
| 17:30.41 | sontek | was copying it, not pasting it |
| 17:30.58 | tensai | sontek: please don't encourage sjansen. he's unbearable enough already. |
| 17:33.39 | sontek | ~flog sjansen |
| 17:33.40 | ibot | ACTION pokes sjansen with a stick |
| 17:34.33 | harleypig | err ... I need to cut back on my drugs ... I misparsed ibot's statement there ... |
| 17:34.42 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.03 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:35.09 | mrpull | i miss that guy |
| 17:35.22 | harleypig | Where is he, btw |
| 17:35.32 | harleypig | Did he fianly get a clue? |
| 17:35.33 | mrpull | iirc, banned |
| 17:35.38 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:35.48 | elg | he had a clue thrust upon him |
| 17:35.51 | harleypig | Then he got the clue bat applied for him |
| 17:36.00 | sontek | yeah, he hangs out in #ubuntu-utah and #utos now |
| 17:36.01 | Supaplex | sjansen: cool :) |
| 17:36.17 | sontek | damn you guys for sending him our way ;P |
| 17:36.31 | harleypig | that reminds me ... |
| 17:36.59 | levi | I saw him in #utaug, too. |
| 17:37.13 | levi | He didn't tell his life story there, though. |
| 17:37.31 | elg | but asterisk didn't turn out to be as cool as he thought it might be |
| 17:37.32 | tensai | levi: yeah, I invited him there. so far no problems. |
| 17:37.46 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:37.48 | elg | or was it as cheap? |
| 17:37.50 | sontek | he was telling his stories in #ubuntu-utah and then we started a 'get mheath a puppy fund' and then he realized we really didn't want to hear about it :P |
| 17:38.08 | tensai | sontek: hah! |
| 17:38.29 | levi | asterisk isn't very cool if you don't have a nice PCI card or a voip provider account. |
| 17:38.46 | elg | or an ATA |
| 17:38.48 | levi | It just kind of sits there and laughs at you with its insane dialplan language. |
| 17:38.51 | harleypig | By the way. I am now at 338 pounds. |
| 17:38.56 | sontek | harleypig: gratz |
| 17:38.56 | elg | ATA > PCI except for big iton |
| 17:38.59 | elg | iron even |
| 17:38.59 | harleypig | That is 93 pounds lost in 9 weeks. |
| 17:39.06 | levi | Wow. Congrats. |
| 17:39.07 | elg | harleypig: suhweet |
| 17:39.10 | sontek | harleypig: so are you feeling better? |
| 17:39.17 | harleypig | Nope. :/ |
| 17:39.28 | harleypig | The weight loss is unexplained. And worrisome. |
| 17:39.48 | elg | oh :\ |
| 17:39.55 | harleypig | I mean, some of it is explained, but not all of it. |
| 17:39.58 | tensai | I suspect that if mheath had talked about personal problems once in while, that would have been fine |
| 17:40.00 | elg | ~worry harleypig |
| 17:40.15 | elg | we all do |
| 17:40.17 | harleypig | On the bright side, I'm losing the weight. |
| 17:40.27 | elg | except ^Migs^ |
| 17:41.03 | elg | i want to see that filter |
| 17:41.39 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:43.56 | sjansen | elg: /part #utah "you guys are all jerks" |
| 17:44.05 | sjansen | That should do the job. |
| 17:44.15 | elg | -chat you guys |
| 17:44.15 | brac | you guys give me a helping hand. |
| 17:44.19 | harleypig | http://www.stupidvideos.us/video.aspx/IDp~2237/Whose%20wife%20was%20that?/Funny%20videos/ |
| 17:44.21 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:44.21 | elg | see, brac likes us |
| 17:44.39 | tensai | -chat sod off |
| 17:44.39 | brac | sod off you go!) and it costs more to me that if I wanted to argue with you |
| 17:44.40 | elg | "click here to download plugin" |
| 17:45.02 | harleypig | "sod off you go"? |
| 17:46.01 | harleypig | I want a telecommute job doing yak shaving! |
| 17:49.32 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0be_1190610338 |
| 17:49.34 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Pissed off Gamer] |
| 17:50.56 | goozbach | "It's turtles all the way down" |
| 17:51.06 | goozbach | I always wondered what that meant |
| 17:53.07 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e8_1190600875 |
| 17:53.08 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Hilarious crane accident!] |
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| 17:56.44 | tensai | harleypig: SFW? |
| 17:58.42 | RyanE | ~/clear |
| 17:58.44 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:59.12 | RyanE | ~lart tildes |
| 17:59.12 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to tildes, and goes postal |
| 17:59.13 | harleypig | yeag |
| 18:00.51 | goozbach | http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/29/wash-me-taken-to-a-new-level-the-dust-art-of-scott-wade/ |
| 18:00.54 | brac | ["Wash Me" taken to a new level - the Dust Art of Scott Wade - Autoblog] |
| 18:01.27 | harleypig | wow |
| 18:04.33 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a83_1190495328 |
| 18:04.34 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Soldiers shoot at an abandoned Iraqi vehicle incase of a VBIED and all hell brakes loose] |
| 18:04.42 | harleypig | language, but otherwise sfw |
| 18:06.23 | Supaplex | brakes:breaks |
| 18:10.26 | harleypig | I didn't write the headline :] |
| 18:11.03 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 18:15.20 | harleypig | The modern Charlie Brown: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a93_1190465446 |
| 18:15.23 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - ultralight plane: Freak accident] |
| 18:15.28 | harleypig | sfw |
| 18:30.08 | harleypig | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae1_1190273205 |
| 18:30.09 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - We Had A Blast In Afghanistan] |
| 18:30.14 | harleypig | Biiiig baaada boom! |
| 18:30.20 | harleypig | sfw |
| 18:39.50 | levi | My cousin is getting shipped off to |
| 18:39.56 | levi | Afghanistan |
| 18:40.04 | levi | (stupid enter key) |
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| 18:45.52 | levi | Stupid headache. |
| 18:46.15 | levi | And, geez, no one wanted to discuss my topic fork on PLUG. |
| 18:48.17 | elg | obstacles to change? |
| 18:48.31 | elg | i was surprised you didn't invoke "worse is better" :) |
| 18:51.02 | elg | i don't see a linux distro that departs from the UNIX way doing very well, for two reasons: shared libraries and it would be a heck of a lot of work to get all software pigeonholed into that new paradigm |
| 18:51.33 | elg | there would be a chronic shortage of useful packages. in short he'd be right where OS X is, "not enough software" |
| 18:51.43 | elg | and installing stuff by hand would be harder than ever |
| 18:52.46 | elg | fbow, unix inertia and debian/redhat inertia is quite strong now. you just can't hope to approach the number of packages in debian |
| 18:53.41 | elg | and you can't hope to make a non-unix installation method easy (unless, perhaps, you come up with a totally awesome autotools replacement that joe programmer can grok in 10 minutes and has a near-automatic transition from autotools) |
| 18:55.27 | sjansen | Yay! RH bugzilla claims the F8t2 fingerprint reader bug just got fixed. |
| 18:55.40 | elg | ~wait sjansen |
| 18:55.45 | elg | R8t2? |
| 18:55.54 | elg | s/R/F/ |
| 18:56.16 | elg | -talk I want |
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| 18:57.38 | elg | -chat I want |
| 18:57.48 | brac | I want more ... sane |
| 18:59.14 | whiteley | glick: http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2007/08/07/experiments-with-runtime-less-app-bundles/ |
| 19:01.10 | levi | elg: That's why I said that software inertia was the main reason it's not likely to happen. |
| 19:02.44 | levi | Software inertia really makes me mad. |
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| 19:03.54 | elg | most kinds of social inertia make me really mad |
| 19:04.18 | elg | imperial system, politics in general, even suits and ties :) |
| 19:06.18 | levi | Yeah. |
| 19:06.30 | levi | BTW, I tried to make pretzels yesterday. |
| 19:06.34 | levi | I failed miserably. |
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| 19:29.20 | nick125 | Either one of those would be nice |
| 19:36.43 | tensai | maquis: really? I think it would be disappointing |
| 19:36.54 | maquis | tensai: ruggedized laptop |
| 19:38.18 | maquis | and it's cool-looking |
| 19:38.30 | tensai | maquis: it's a 433mhz processor with 256mb of ram. that's cute, but not useful to me. |
| 19:38.39 | maquis | and, if they did actually get it set up with a hand-powered setup, that's actually extremely useful |
| 19:39.16 | tensai | they have a hand crank, a foot pump, and a pull string |
| 19:39.27 | levi | I used a PIII-450 until a year or so ago. |
| 19:39.36 | maquis | tensai: see... that seems so useful |
| 19:39.57 | maquis | if you want to play nethack or something when you don't have power immediately available |
| 19:40.01 | maquis | for example, a long road trip |
| 19:40.04 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 19:40.32 | maquis | and the mesh-network seems pretty cool too |
| 19:42.28 | tensai | maquis: some cool ideas, no doubt. I don't think it would be worth it to me in practice though. |
| 19:42.59 | sjansen | How big is the screen again? |
| 19:43.00 | maquis | tensai: i understand... |
| 19:43.10 | maquis | sjansen: not sure |
| 19:43.10 | sjansen | It's all about the pixel count, baby. |
| 19:43.14 | maquis | big enough for nethack :) |
| 19:43.39 | sjansen | I wanna know if it's big enough to be an ebook reader. |
| 19:43.47 | maquis | sjansen: i believe so |
| 19:44.01 | maquis | one of the goals was to allow them to stick textbooks on it |
| 19:44.06 | sjansen | I light weight, medium sized laptop with a daylight readable screen and low power usage should be perfect. |
| 19:44.31 | maquis | sjansen: 1200x900 |
| 19:46.32 | levi | maquis: That's the B&W high-res mode, right? |
| 19:46.58 | tensai | it's a 9" screen at 800x600 |
| 19:47.19 | levi | It has two different modes. |
| 19:47.28 | levi | One is backlit, color, and lower-res. |
| 19:47.51 | levi | The other is grayscale, viewable in sunlight, and higher-res. |
| 19:48.30 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.48 | tensai | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6679431.stm |
| 19:48.51 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Technology | Factfile: XO laptop] |
| 19:49.02 | tensai | ah, I see. I didn't catch that it was higher res in b/w mode |
| 19:49.20 | tensai | and it's 7.5" |
| 19:49.58 | maquis | for an e-book reader, you only need b&w |
| 19:51.59 | Supaplex | managers .. are .. good? |
| 19:53.39 | Tene | good managers are good. |
| 19:54.59 | levi | So, we had a terrible sacrament meeting talk on Sunday. The low point was when the guy (a high council speaker) said, "Guess which church leader spoke these words?" and then quoted in entirety this piece of garbage: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/paradox.asp |
| 19:55.04 | brac | [Urban Legends Reference Pages: The Paradox of Our Time] |
| 19:55.28 | levi | And then went on to misattribute it to George Carlin. |
| 19:55.57 | levi | Which was a great relief to me, because I'd be really ticked off if it had actually been spoken by a general authority that I'd formerly respected. |
| 19:56.43 | mrpull | george carlin surely would have included at least 6 of the 7 dirty words |
| 19:57.22 | levi | George Carlin calls it a 'sappy piece of s***' on his web site. |
| 19:57.32 | Keighvin | It's doing thirteen while she's elevening your five. |
| 19:57.42 | mrpull | hehehe |
| 19:58.03 | mrpull | i saw Carlin at symphony hall about 10 years ago |
| 19:58.10 | mrpull | i hurt from laughing so hard |
| 19:58.29 | mrpull | my ears are a little more sensitive now than they used to be |
| 19:59.07 | mrpull | levi: why would you be ticked if it were penned by someone you respected? |
| 19:59.13 | mrpull | i don't see anything offensive |
| 19:59.30 | levi | mrpull: Because it's a load of garbage, and then I would no longer respect that person. |
| 20:00.30 | Supaplex | oh, only the hopeless disparity part. |
| 20:01.21 | levi | It was actually written by a pastor who sexually molested a bunch of his congregation. |
| 20:02.32 | levi | It's the sort of crap that makes me really angry when it shows up in my email inbox, with a hundred 'forwarded by' headers. |
| 20:08.09 | levi | mrpull: What's offensive about it is that it's horribly wrong, and lulls people that believe what it says into the sort of wrong thinking that it embraces. |
| 20:08.52 | Keighvin | It's glurge. The stuff that's supposed to soothe over the unassured nature of humanity and lay it out in a nice "cause and effect" kind of feel-good glow. |
| 20:09.02 | Keighvin | It's sappy and worthless. |
| 20:09.45 | Keighvin | Or worse - actually harmful, because it moves motive and consequence away from reality while stating unsubstantiated causality. |
| 20:09.59 | levi | It feeds the self-righteousness of church-goers. "Oh, look at how horrible the world is now! I'm so glad that I'm here, taking shelter from how horribly awful the world has become!" |
| 20:10.30 | Keighvin | Those of us who know good people who suffer find it trite and self-congratulatory. |
| 20:10.44 | Keighvin | Well, me at least - I won't speak for others wholesale like that. |
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| 20:11.12 | levi | It also makes people believe that we actually /are/ worse-off now than in the past. |
| 20:11.18 | Keighvin | But those who agree with me can forward it on to other IRC channels. In fact, if you're not the worst kind of jerk you'll send it to 10 other channels (with all of the Re: fwd: fwd: Fwd: Re: >>>>>> intact) |
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| 20:11.59 | levi | That it really WAS better in the past, and it's the fault of those evil progressives and liberals that things are so bad now. |
| 20:12.30 | tensai | levi: that's a long running curiousity of mine. everybody remembers the past being better, but memories are notoriously fuzzy. |
| 20:12.42 | tensai | I would really like to quantify it |
| 20:13.05 | levi | It's precisely because it's a lot nicer to forget the bad stuff and remember the happy times. |
| 20:13.31 | levi | Back then, we were kids and had a lot less to worry about. |
| 20:13.35 | levi | etc. |
| 20:13.52 | tensai | levi: we also remember the major events and the humdrum just gets ignored |
| 20:15.00 | levi | And we tend to whitewash the past, conveniently forgetting the parts that we're uncomfortable with. |
| 20:15.09 | levi | It's a great coping mechanism. :) |
| 20:15.14 | Keighvin | There are 2 main psychological factors that come into place with synthesizing happiness from memory (assuming that the baseline memory is not overtly negative): 1) Distance from the events in terms of time, and 2) probability of affecting change on resultant circumstances. |
| 20:15.38 | Keighvin | The farther away it is and the less you can do about it, the happier you'll tend to be when looking back on it. |
| 20:16.50 | levi | Sounds about right. |
| 20:18.00 | levi | Anyway, that's why I hate that particular bit of garbage and why I was so very annoyed to hear it from the pulpit on Sunday, especially with the insinuated connection to church authorities. |
| 20:18.23 | Keighvin | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/97 |
| 20:22.43 | sjansen | It was the best of times. |
| 20:22.48 | sjansen | It was the worst of times. |
| 20:23.05 | sjansen | We were all jacked in. |
| 20:23.14 | sjansen | We all had high ping delay. |
| 20:34.36 | levi | http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html |
| 20:34.37 | brac | [Tact Filters] |
| 20:40.17 | vontrapp_ | levi: george carlin is a church authority? |
| 20:43.21 | levi | vontrapp_: No, I'm not sure what the point of saying 'guess which church leader wrote this?' was, except possibly to underline the guy's stupidity. |
| 20:44.29 | levi | After he read it, he said something like, "The author wasn't actually a church leader." No really! "It was someone with a much different past, George Carlin." |
| 20:45.18 | vontrapp_ | haha |
| 20:45.56 | levi | I was like, "Duh, no wonder it sounded so much like a bad forwarded email. I'll bet it wasn't even written by George Carlin." |
| 20:46.17 | vontrapp | guess which church leader said a church leader said something that george carlin didn't say? oh it was just a high councilman |
| 20:46.57 | mrpull | levi: that does sound like a really stupid thing to say over the pulpit |
| 20:47.14 | mrpull | levi: but the content itself isn't offensive to me... |
| 20:47.21 | levi | mrpull: I'm sorry to hear that. |
| 20:47.42 | levi | But that's okay, as long as you don't quote it over the pulpit. |
| 20:47.51 | levi | Or forward it to me in an email. |
| 20:48.24 | mrpull | levi: you are to rational to take offense at simple things like that... unless you and I have a different understanding of the meaning of taking offense |
| 20:48.56 | vontrapp | the offense was the attribution |
| 20:49.06 | vontrapp | which turned out to be not so offensive |
| 20:49.17 | levi | Well, attributing it to a church leader was offensive to me. |
| 20:50.06 | levi | And even after it turned out to not have been from a church leader, the fact that he thought it was 'true' enough to pass as something a church leader would say and lent his own approval to it was offensive. |
| 20:50.18 | mrpull | i am looking at the attribution and the quote separately... the quote isn't offensive (to me) and the attribution is just stupid |
| 20:50.24 | levi | I find stupidity endorsed over the pulpit far more offensive than swear words. |
| 20:51.22 | vontrapp | what about swear words over the pulpit? |
| 20:51.50 | goozbach | what about stupid swear words endorsed over the pulput? |
| 20:52.10 | vontrapp | what about goozbach over the pulpit? |
| 20:52.19 | goozbach | heaven forbid! |
| 20:52.21 | levi | Now that'd be offensive! ;) |
| 20:52.22 | nick125 | haha |
| 20:52.31 | nick125 | I guess I triggered Qwest's "uh oh we pissed a customer off" thing. They just sent a letter saying that they "try our very best not to disappoint a customer" |
| 20:52.42 | goozbach | hey, I like giving talks in church |
| 20:52.56 | vontrapp | nick125: remind me your beef? |
| 20:53.05 | levi | mrpull: Maybe we are thinking of different definitions of 'offense'. What do you mean by it? |
| 20:53.18 | vontrapp | goozbach: so that those of us who don't want to can get more chances |
| 20:53.29 | mrpull | levi: I think we are. I'm taking it to an extreme... |
| 20:53.33 | nick125 | vontrapp: Oh, it's just that every time it rains, the phone becomes staticy and the DSL loses sync |
| 20:53.57 | vontrapp | guess i didn't hear that before |
| 20:54.23 | levi | mrpull: The words don't personally offend me, but they offend my sensibilities. |
| 20:54.25 | vontrapp | soooo, how about that snow on timp? |
| 20:54.37 | nick125 | I've had about 8 dispatches on the issue |
| 20:54.59 | levi | mrpull: Like a really bad smell makes you reel in digust. |
| 20:55.12 | levi | Er, disgust. |
| 20:56.03 | mrpull | levi: i was thinking "I'm offended so badly i'm going to through my beliefs out the window and stop attending church because I'm so offended" type offense |
| 20:56.16 | mrpull | levi: and in that definition... i thought it would be silly to take offense :) |
| 20:56.27 | levi | mrpull: Oh, no. Not quite that offended. :) |
| 20:56.49 | goozbach | like "what an idiot" type offence? |
| 20:57.44 | levi | Though, lately, going to church feels like a waste of time, since I spend most of it trying to keep my daughter from screaming and running around. |
| 20:58.03 | levi | And I typically leave with a splitting headache that takes me half the day to recover from. |
| 20:58.12 | vontrapp | i hate sunday headaches |
| 20:59.34 | vontrapp | levi: i would think wrestling a child would be more fun and fulfilling than falling asleep as one drones over the pulpit |
| 21:00.04 | vontrapp | at the very least, it's more engaging |
| 21:01.34 | vontrapp | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 21:01.34 | vontrapp | E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of. |
| 21:01.50 | vontrapp | guess it's not so apt |
| 21:02.21 | levi | vontrapp: She's much easier to deal with at home. |
| 21:02.45 | levi | vontrapp: Going to church and asking her to sit in one spot for any amount of time makes her super-uncooperative. |
| 21:03.27 | vontrapp | don't worry, my time will come |
| 21:06.26 | mrpull | if anybody knows "External Call / Unknown Number" please ask them to stop calling me |
| 21:06.38 | mrpull | and let it ring exactly 3 times and never leave a message |
| 21:06.45 | Jayce^ | vontrapp, you will learn some day :) |
| 21:07.07 | Jayce^ | of course now, I get to sit up front and watch my wife deal with the mini-demons |
| 21:07.09 | vontrapp | i am not afraid |
| 21:07.19 | Jayce^ | *you will be....* |
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| 21:10.15 | Jayce^ | wb phil |
| 21:10.21 | pjw | hi |
| 21:10.57 | goozbach | so I'm glad I found TED talks |
| 21:11.02 | goozbach | they are neato |
| 21:11.09 | goozbach | some great presentations |
| 21:11.28 | vontrapp | who's ted? |
| 21:11.41 | pjw | I love the Malcolm Gladwel talk and the Thomas Barnett talk from TED. |
| 21:12.58 | goozbach | vontrapp: ted.com |
| 21:13.11 | tensai | ~lart TED and ITC |
| 21:13.11 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down TED and ITC's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 21:13.23 | tensai | as if I have time to listen to all the interesting podcasts |
| 21:13.44 | Jayce^ | goozbach, yes, yes you should |
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| 21:20.14 | goozbach | opensourcetv should get around to posting the utosc videos |
| 21:21.25 | Tene | http://hober.backpackit.com/pub/1233865 -- interesting idea. |
| 21:21.27 | brac | [Personal unit tests] |
| 21:24.17 | levi | "Let's take a simple, obvious idea like daily goals and progress tracking and make it sound like this trendy software practice!" |
| 21:24.52 | levi | Though, certainly unit testing and goal-setting are good things. |
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| 21:25.54 | shadowwire | Whats up? |
| 21:27.08 | vontrapp | a shadow fell over #utah |
| 21:27.20 | Keighvin | A wiry shadow at that./ |
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| 21:27.30 | Keighvin | s/\/// |
| 21:27.31 | levi | Cool, now I have 4 gigabit switches on my desk. |
| 21:27.45 | Keighvin | How many 4 gigabit switches do you have? |
| 21:29.23 | levi | Zero. |
| 21:29.26 | levi | How about you? |
| 21:30.52 | levi | Who would want debian stable in their apt sources, anyway? |
| 21:31.21 | vontrapp | that's why it's the one i removed |
| 21:31.43 | levi | Which did you keep? |
| 21:32.31 | vontrapp | vontrapp@dernhelm /etc/apt$ apt-cache policy | grep '^ *[0-9]' | wc -l |
| 21:32.31 | vontrapp | 26 |
| 21:32.49 | vontrapp | that's how many versions i have after taking out deb stable |
| 21:33.50 | vontrapp | i have deb testing/unstable ubunty fiesty/gutsy, medibuntu, and Google |
| 21:34.30 | vontrapp | plus each ones various contrib/non-free/restricted/universe/etc |
| 21:35.56 | levi | Yow! Why so many? |
| 21:36.03 | vontrapp | it's fun |
| 21:36.19 | vontrapp | ubuntu doesn't have all the packages i want |
| 21:36.52 | levi | I would rather just compile the odd package from source than mess around with dependency problems from mixing that many sources. |
| 21:37.05 | vontrapp | nah, you just set your pins properly |
| 21:37.53 | shadowwire | How does that work? |
| 21:38.30 | levi | That sounds like more fiddling than I want to do. |
| 21:38.34 | vontrapp | i have it set up so ubuntu fiesty is the only one that installs anything by default |
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| 21:39.47 | vontrapp | things in debian stable/testing are upgraded automatically if they are already installed |
| 21:39.55 | vontrapp | debian unstable only does what i say |
| 21:40.09 | vontrapp | and now, ubuntu fiesty is like debian stable, but with more priority |
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| 21:42.17 | vontrapp | er, ubuntu gutsy is like ... |
| 21:42.18 | vontrapp | fiesty is still preferred |
| 21:46.44 | vontrapp | only problem is, apt-get update takes quite some time with slow internet |
| 21:51.37 | levi | Anyone know of any language-specific users groups in Utah aside from PHP, Python, Java, and Ruby? |
| 21:52.01 | rsimpkins | levi: perl. :) |
| 21:52.02 | Tene | levi: there's a utah perlmongers group |
| 21:52.15 | levi | Oh, yeah, and that's the only one I've ever even been to. :) |
| 21:52.40 | levi | How many of these are very active? |
| 21:54.08 | levi | I still think it would be fun to put together a group of people who enjoy playing with and learning new languages. |
| 21:55.16 | Jayce^ | levi, saw posters for an erlang group |
| 21:55.17 | levi | Where you could submit coding puzzles/challenges and implement them with different languages, and people with more experience with them could give style tips, etc. |
| 21:55.31 | levi | Jayce^: Where'd you see the posters? |
| 21:55.45 | Jayce^ | they meet once a month down at the OSTC (where UTOS was) |
| 21:55.48 | Jayce^ | novell |
| 21:56.09 | levi | Interesting. Do they have a web page or mailing list? |
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| 21:58.04 | klys | wzip |
| 21:58.41 | klys | sup |
| 21:59.21 | levi | Gotta head to school. |
| 22:00.24 | tensai | just found a nice shortcut. you can specify chown to use the default group by leaving it empty |
| 22:00.36 | tensai | e.g. "chown tensai: foo" will chown to owner tensai and tensai's default group |
| 22:00.40 | Tene | Clever. |
| 22:06.05 | tensai | it saves me literally *seconds*, every other day or so |
| 22:12.19 | elg | levi: they sort of piggy back the ruby group |
| 22:12.26 | elg | contact pat eyler |
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| 22:28.47 | elg | http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/seagull.asp |
| 22:28.48 | brac | [Urban Legends Reference Pages: Seagull Loves Chips] |
| 22:30.32 | elg | levi: along those same lines this was pretty funny on Sunday. It was ward conference, so a stake presidency counselor was doing the priesthood lesson. He asked people why the stewardesses tell you to put your own oxygen mask on first. One of the high priests said, "most planes cruise at 35000 to 45000 feet. in case of a loss of cabin pressure, everybody's dead" |
| 22:31.00 | elg | it was pretty funny. I'm not sure though, I think he might be overdramatizing. |
| 22:31.32 | elg | oh, he mentioned that it's like 3 or 4 psi. not sure if he's implying that the low pressure (not lack of oxygen) would be what kills people, but I think even in space you can last for at least something like 30 seconds |
| 22:31.51 | elg | but mostly it was funny to watch the counselor squirm |
| 22:32.17 | goozbach | and a loss of cabin pressure at that altitude is an automatic reaction from the pilot to drop to a save altitude. IIRC |
| 22:32.44 | elg | assuming the pilot is conscious :) I'm sure the autopilot too |
| 22:33.51 | Keighvin | One way or another you'll be dropping altitude eventually. |
| 22:33.54 | elg | still, you don't drop from 35000 to 13000 feet in 30 seconds |
| 22:34.35 | goozbach | you'd hope not |
| 22:35.18 | elg | http://spluch.blogspot.com/2007/07/terrified-easyjet-passengers-feared.html |
| 22:35.30 | elg | that looks like just a leak though (which seems like it would be the normal failure mode) |
| 22:36.09 | elg | "a very short time" isn't descriptive enough |
| 22:36.32 | elg | but from 0 to 5000 fpm would be enough to freak everyone out |
| 22:39.39 | beandog | is uncle jesse around? I forgot which nick he hides under |
| 22:40.10 | elg | http://blogs.aviation.ca/index.php/pilotslicence101.php?disp=comments |
| 22:40.11 | brac | [Pilot's Licence 101 - Last comments] |
| 22:40.18 | elg | beandog: \me or something |
| 22:40.34 | elg | ~seen \me |
| 22:40.37 | ibot | \me <n=jstayii@get.your.hosting.from.gv-hosting.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 32d 4h 24m 11s ago, saying: 'anyone here deal with yui autocomplete before?'. |
| 22:42.29 | beandog | meh |
| 22:42.32 | beandog | thanks elg |
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| 23:21.48 | levi | elg: He used the word 'stewardesses'? How un-pc! ;) |
| 23:23.01 | levi | You're supposed to put on your own first because, if you try to put it on the child next to you first, you will black out before you get your own on, and the kid's not going to be able to help you. |
| 23:23.05 | levi | Or something like that. |
| 23:24.20 | levi | Anyway, anyone have any suggestions for things to include in a 'fun with computer languages' group's activities? |
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| 23:26.29 | klys | quicksort? |
| 23:26.43 | klys | round-robin scheduling? |
| 23:27.07 | Tene | http://atomicwang.org/catta/ -- interesting |
| 23:27.09 | brac | [Lemur CATTA] |
| 23:28.43 | levi | klys: Are you responding to me? |
| 23:28.49 | klys | right |
| 23:29.30 | Supaplex | yes |
| 23:29.32 | Supaplex | maybe |
| 23:29.35 | Supaplex | no |
| 23:29.38 | Supaplex | no wait |
| 23:29.41 | levi | klys: Well, those are instances of things that would be part of a 'programming quiz' or something. I'm looking for kinds of activities, not just problems for a programming quiz activity. |
| 23:30.36 | klys | how about group edit sessions? |
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| 23:32.31 | klys | or even, integrating part of the language into a fairly extensible (or simple) editor |
| 23:33.05 | levi | Well, the goal of this is to get a bunch of people working with and talking about languages that are new to them. |
| 23:33.17 | klys | fun implies gameplay |
| 23:33.52 | elg | levi: right, his point was to get your own life in order so you can help others. and I don't remember if he used stewardesses :) |
| 23:34.05 | elg | levi: core wars? |
| 23:34.29 | levi | elg: Hmm, that'd be kinda cool. :) |
| 23:34.59 | levi | Other sorts of program battle scenarios, too. |
| 23:35.15 | levi | klys: There are things that are fun that are not games. |
| 23:35.17 | klys | corewars uses its own language. closest thing is asm. could try linking various modules with something produced by nams/yasm |
| 23:35.32 | klys | s/nams/nasm/ |
| 23:35.55 | levi | Core wars uses Redcode, which is an assembly language. |
| 23:36.15 | levi | Since the point of the group is to learn and play with new languages, it fits well. |
| 23:37.26 | levi | By other program battle scenarios, I mean games where you program avatars in an arena of some sort. |
| 23:42.10 | levi | Other activities I had in mind were writing language interpreters, presenting new languages to the group, having experienced people give tips to the less experienced, etc. |
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| 23:44.13 | klys | when you say, "to the group", in what context is this? |
| 23:44.29 | sargun_work | nick125, hey |
| 23:44.31 | nick125 | sargun_work: hey |
| 23:44.41 | sargun_work | hey |
| 23:44.59 | nick125 | sargun_work: join "the channel" :P |
| 23:45.32 | levi | klys: The group would be the people who wish to participate in the 'fun with computer languages' group. |
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| 23:45.50 | klys | how are they sharing their work? |
| 23:46.26 | levi | Well, there may be organized in-person meetings, but stuff could be done on a mailing list, wiki, or other online tool. |
| 23:46.36 | levi | I'm still in the brainstorming phase. |
| 23:47.04 | levi | I'll probably take it to the PLUG list when I have things a bit more coherent and I decide if I really want to try to organize it. :) |
| 23:47.13 | klys | had you considered inn2 nnrp service? it can carry categorized discussiom on related topics |
| 23:47.27 | klys | *nntp |
| 23:48.01 | sargun_work | dogs? |
| 23:48.06 | levi | The underlying protocol is irrelevant at the moment. |
| 23:48.30 | klys | also hnb can be preferable ti a whiteboard in some settings |
| 23:48.35 | sargun_work | Use dogs as a transport protocol |
| 23:48.39 | sargun_work | Instead of ethernet |
| 23:48.45 | sargun_work | I mean your packet loss would suck |
| 23:48.47 | sargun_work | and latency too |
| 23:49.11 | klys | there is also this tsd program, does the same thing as hnb |
| 23:53.01 | levi | I think you missed the part where I said that was irrelevant at the moment. |
| 23:53.57 | elg | i think members of the group should use mutt for their email |
| 23:54.10 | levi | ~flog elg |
| 23:54.11 | ibot | ACTION pokes elg with a stick |
| 23:54.24 | klys | so, to add dynamics to the grou setting, one could either use a tool (irrelevant) or a group dyunamic. groups of 4 is my suggestion |
| 23:55.01 | klys | realistically, we don't know |
| 23:55.16 | klys | there's cards |
| 23:55.27 | levi | What about cards? |
| 23:55.42 | elg | you can use them to build houses |
| 23:55.58 | elg | hmm. R just told me the median of my set of (integral) scores is 67.5 |
| 23:56.04 | levi | That somehow seems a bit off-topic. |
| 23:56.06 | elg | that concerns me deeply |
| 23:56.19 | klys | write keywords on them and pass them around in a defined manner perhaps with constraints |
| 23:56.22 | elg | median is supposed to be one of the items isn't it? |
| 23:56.32 | levi | elg: Not really, according to my stats class. |
| 23:56.43 | elg | really? |
| 23:56.50 | levi | elg: If the median lies between two data points, you average them. |
| 23:56.58 | elg | ah ok |
| 23:57.19 | levi | The mode is one of the items, though. |
| 23:57.36 | levi | I'm in my stats class right now, actually. I hate it. |
| 23:57.46 | elg | i love stats |
| 23:57.55 | levi | I think stats is cool. I just hate this class. |
| 23:57.56 | elg | easy to get a bad teacher in stats though. |
| 23:58.00 | elg | or a bad class |
| 23:58.01 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.35 | elg | if you ask most people about stats classes, I think you'd find a statistically relevant skew towards people hating them. |
| 23:59.05 | klys | ~seen shadowwire |
| 23:59.06 | ibot | shadowwire <n=shadowwi@mail.swplumb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 21m 13s ago, saying: 'How does that work?'. |
| 23:59.35 | levi | He's knowledgeable, but the classes are incredibly dry and could use a bit more organization. |
| 23:59.57 | levi | And he wants me to show my work on the homework, which is assigned every class period. |
