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| 00:09.00 | blipX | Anyone here do Asterisk installs? |
| 00:09.17 | Tene | A few. |
| 00:09.24 | Tene | A few people here do, that is. |
| 00:10.16 | blipX | Is it something you just do on the side or thats your job? |
| 00:10.39 | Tene | There are a couple of people here that work with asterisk professionally. |
| 00:11.05 | Tene | You'll find more of them in #utaug |
| 00:11.09 | Tene | Why? |
| 00:11.15 | blipX | Looking at a few places atm. Arrival Telecom and Convertec look interesting. |
| 00:11.40 | blipX | Potentially looking to move to voip and asterisk but dont want to take on the overhead internally. |
| 00:12.19 | Tene | #utaug is the best place to go, but it's not too active. You'll get a response if you leave a note and wait for a while. |
| 00:12.21 | blipX | Essentially looking for suggested contacts. |
| 00:12.36 | Tene | They'll point you in the right direction. |
| 00:12.50 | blipX | Thanks. Ill do that soon as I get back home so Im on longer. |
| 00:13.19 | Tene | *nod* |
| 00:15.29 | fozzmoo | Arrival Telecom is the one to talk to. |
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| 00:21.46 | sinuhe | My wife's middle name is Michelle, (no wrap-and-tie robes falling off pictures, though, sorry). |
| 00:23.27 | Tene | My Michelle said that she really enjoyed meeting your Michelle. |
| 00:23.44 | sinuhe | Tene: That was a fun night. |
| 00:23.48 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 00:23.59 | Tene | She'll be back in town again this weekend. We could do it again. |
| 00:26.51 | sinuhe | We could. |
| 00:31.40 | findlay-w | lame dudes with their Michelle's |
| 00:31.42 | findlay-w | no fair |
| 00:31.55 | Tene | You could borrow mine if you asked nicely. |
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| 00:35.34 | Tene | findlay-w: you really should get one. They're quite nice. |
| 00:35.43 | findlay-w | I know |
| 00:35.49 | sinuhe | findlay-w: My Michelle's a belly dancer and served in Iraq with the Army. The former is definately not lame. |
| 00:36.15 | findlay-w | my Michelle got married about 2 years ago |
| 00:36.25 | findlay-w | and then I gave up on them |
| 00:37.26 | sinuhe | Michelles take a lot of work, but they're worth it in the long run when you find the good ones. |
| 00:37.31 | Tene | sinuhe: he said that *we* are lame for having Michelles, not that Michelles are lame. |
| 00:37.41 | sinuhe | Tene: Yeah, yeah... |
| 00:37.48 | findlay-w | heh |
| 00:39.58 | findlay-w | ~trogdor Tene |
| 00:39.59 | ibot | ACTION burninates Tene |
| 00:40.03 | findlay-w | hm |
| 00:40.16 | findlay-w | I've got to remember that one |
| 00:41.01 | sinuhe | Here's a not so good picture of Tonya bellydancing: http://www.xmission.com/~sinuhe/images/bellydance.jpg. I don't have a better one, unfortunately. (She dances in Moab in a week, though.) |
| 00:42.08 | sinuhe | Tene: Your Michelle should talk to my Michelle about learning to belly dance. It's always a win-win: both to learn and to watch. |
| 00:43.48 | Tene | 'kay |
| 00:45.46 | sinuhe | Tene: I couldn't tell if that was a "That's weird" OK, or a "That would be cool" OK. |
| 00:46.20 | Tene | I passed the suggestion on to her. She said she might be interested. |
| 00:48.29 | Supaplex | m00 |
| 00:49.29 | sinuhe | Supaplex: m00? |
| 00:49.33 | Tene | My response, honestly, is that seems like a strange name for an activity. Does the dancing feature the belly somehow, or is the defining feature just that it's dancing with the belly exposed? |
| 00:50.46 | sinuhe | Tene: Belly dance is a Middle-Eastern art form. It is normally intended for women, by women. We guys just get to come along as long as we behave. :-) |
| 00:51.12 | Tene | So what's the translation of the name in the native language of the areas it's from? |
| 00:51.39 | sinuhe | Tene: It does not always show the belly at all. Sometimes it shows much more. Its purpose is not stripping. The very suggestion would insult most belly dancers. |
| 00:51.54 | Tene | That's what I thought... |
| 00:52.02 | Tene | so where does "belly" fit into the actual activity? |
| 00:52.09 | Tene | Or is it just an inaccurate name? |
| 00:52.41 | sinuhe | Tene: There are cool belly rolls the dancers do. I have no idea how they do it. If I tried, I'd probably have an asthma attack. |
| 00:52.56 | Tene | 'kay |
| 00:54.01 | findlay-w | where is the middle east? |
| 00:54.05 | findlay-w | is it near the center east? |
| 00:54.14 | findlay-w | are we in the middle west? |
| 00:54.22 | Tene | findlay-w: no, we're in the center west. |
| 00:54.27 | findlay-w | why do people dance in the middle east? |
| 00:54.48 | Tene | findlay-w: capitalism. |
| 00:54.49 | findlay-w | without bellies, apparently |
| 00:55.18 | findlay-w | Tene: what about jelly beans? |
| 00:56.08 | Tene | findlay-w: those come from the upper east. |
| 00:56.32 | findlay-w | ah |
| 00:57.01 | sinuhe | Jelly beans are bigger belly dancers. :-) |
| 00:57.22 | sinuhe | Belly dancers come in all sizes... |
| 00:57.57 | Supaplex | small ones big ones ... |
| 00:58.14 | findlay-w | some as big as a coconut? |
| 00:58.49 | sinuhe | How big's a coconut? |
| 01:00.18 | findlay-w | (Cocos nucifera: 30 m tall, with pinnate leaves 4-6 m long |
| 01:00.26 | findlay-w | s/(// |
| 01:00.31 | sinuhe | OK: not *all* sizes. |
| 01:00.37 | findlay-w | no, I didn't steal that from wikipedia |
| 01:00.41 | sinuhe | All *human* sizes. |
| 01:01.56 | sinuhe | Tonya's done 6 years with caberet dance, but has been doing tribal for the last 3 or so years. In Moab, she's got an interesting goth tribal thing she's doing. I'm curious to see what that's like. |
| 01:03.44 | sinuhe | She's with this group http://www.kashmirdancecompany.com/home.htm and this one: |
| 01:03.47 | brac | [Kashmir Dance Company - Home] |
| 01:06.32 | sinuhe | I can't find the second. It's called Nepenthe, a sub group of another popular one (the name of which escapes me). |
| 01:07.03 | sinuhe | Time for bed... |
| 01:07.17 | vontrapp | skye walker? |
| 01:07.32 | vontrapp | mary kay skye walker, what a name |
| 01:07.45 | findlay-w | heh |
| 01:11.40 | harleypi1 | Is there a command line tool (like cut, but cut only allows a single character for a delimiter) that does the same as this? perl -pe 's/^.*?sshd.*?:\s+//' |
| 01:11.49 | vontrapp | you have to know the incident angle as well |
| 01:12.27 | Tene | harleypi1: why? |
| 01:12.36 | vontrapp | sed? |
| 01:13.12 | harleypig | well, I was hoping for something a little cleaner, but sed and awk would look about the same |
| 01:13.27 | harleypig | This is what I'm doing so far: grep sshd messages | perl -pe 's/^.*?sshd.*?:\s+//' | sort | uniq -c |
| 01:13.32 | vontrapp | what's so dirty about sed? and besides, you're a pig |
| 01:13.59 | harleypig | :] |
| 01:14.19 | harleypig | Actually, I was hoping for something like 'split' but that's for splitting files up. |
| 01:15.01 | Tene | harleypig: you could use Perl 6 rules in perl if you want it to look cleaner. ;) |
| 01:15.06 | harleypig | It'd be nice(r) to do grep sshd messages | cut -d 'ssh.*?:\s+' |
| 01:15.18 | harleypig | Tene: :] |
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| 01:15.50 | Tene | harleypig: does awk accept a multi-character delimiter? |
| 01:16.03 | harleypig | shrug |
| 01:16.45 | Tene | *obviously* you need to write a full Parse::RecDescent grammar for the log file, make a CPAN module out of it, lose interest, then go work on your car. |
| 01:17.32 | harleypig | :D |
| 01:17.50 | vontrapp | harleypig: are you ever going to have a : before the : after sshd? |
| 01:18.10 | vontrapp | if not, 'cut -d : -f 2-' will do ya |
| 01:18.17 | harleypig | I doubt it |
| 01:18.29 | harleypig | sshd isn't the front of the line |
| 01:18.36 | harleypig | There is a timestamp in front of the sshd |
| 01:18.49 | vontrapp | are there :'s in the timestamp? |
| 01:18.52 | vontrapp | a consistent number? |
| 01:19.16 | harleypig | You mean a consistent width? |
| 01:19.23 | vontrapp | paste a typical line |
| 01:19.26 | vontrapp | no, just a consistent number of : |
| 01:19.52 | harleypig | May 24 19:59:36 harleypig sshd[1791]: Invalid user quentin from 218.38.29.114 |
| 01:20.17 | nick125 | What are you trying to do? |
| 01:20.19 | harleypig | it's from the messages file |
| 01:20.25 | harleypig | Just a quick hack ... |
| 01:20.29 | vontrapp | vontrapp@dernhelm ~/src/labs/360/code$ echo `date` foo:bar sshd: baz:boo | cut -d : -f 5- baz:boo |
| 01:20.43 | vontrapp | um, baz:boo at the end is the result |
| 01:20.52 | nick125 | harleypig: I'm just curious what you are trying to accomplish |
| 01:21.18 | harleypig | I was just wondering if there was a command line program that did the same as the perl snippet |
| 01:22.41 | harleypig | as far as what I was trying to accomplish |
| 01:22.49 | vontrapp | harleypig: i have no sshd references in any of my messages backlogs |
| 01:22.56 | vontrapp | so i can't test |
| 01:23.02 | vontrapp | but i believe: |
| 01:23.27 | vontrapp | grep sshd /var/log/messages | cut -d : -f 4- | sort | uniq |
| 01:23.30 | vontrapp | will do it for you |
| 01:23.30 | harleypig | I just wanted to see how many uniq attempts there were for specific invalid users and other things. |
| 01:24.10 | vontrapp | might wanna uniq before sort, don't know what kind of performance difference there is there |
| 01:24.18 | harleypig | how does that work?! |
| 01:24.24 | vontrapp | harleypig: magic :) |
| 01:24.35 | harleypig | oh! ... the 4- (I missed the dash ... I didn't know that would do that) |
| 01:24.38 | vontrapp | -f 4- says field 4 and after |
| 01:24.44 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 01:25.06 | findlay-w | wow, I turn away from the channel for 15 minutes and there's all this backlog. How do you expect me to keep up? |
| 01:25.17 | Tene | findlay-w: tts on your cellphone. |
| 01:25.18 | vontrapp | ~rocket findlay-w |
| 01:25.25 | harleypig | You can never, ever leave |
| 01:25.35 | Tene | ~harleypig findlay-w |
| 01:25.37 | vontrapp | ~ketchup findlay-w |
| 01:25.42 | Tene | ~squid findlay-w |
| 01:25.55 | findlay-w | ~trogdor Tene |
| 01:25.56 | ibot | ACTION burninates Tene |
| 01:26.04 | vontrapp | well, at least something works |
| 01:26.14 | vontrapp | ~catsup findlay-w |
| 01:26.18 | Tene | ~vontrapp vontrapp |
| 01:26.21 | findlay-w | ~catsoup vontrapp |
| 01:26.24 | vontrapp | not that anyone uses 'catsup' |
| 01:26.56 | vontrapp | sysv semaphores sure are cumbersome |
| 01:28.58 | harleypig | anyway ... since May 22 there have been 97354 invalid user login attempts on my server. wild. |
| 01:29.38 | findlay-w | denyhosts |
| 01:29.54 | harleypig | Yeah, I'm looking at that right now. |
| 01:35.16 | Supaplex | iptables -m recent :) |
| 01:38.32 | vontrapp | my semaphore doesn't seem to be working just right |
| 01:38.43 | vontrapp | my two threads will both go at the same time |
| 01:38.52 | harleypig | Isn't that kind of personal? |
| 01:39.06 | vontrapp | -lart the pig |
| 01:39.10 | vontrapp | d'oh |
| 01:39.15 | harleypig | :D |
| 01:40.43 | vontrapp | either the sem isn't working, or one of the threads isn't sleeping |
| 01:41.16 | vontrapp | while (stuff) { sem--; do stuff; sleep; sem++} |
| 01:41.52 | vontrapp | i see the sleep, but both threads print out stuff at the same time |
| 01:41.55 | vontrapp | two blurbs, sleep, two blurbs, sleep etc |
| 01:42.07 | vontrapp | i would expect sleeping between each blurb, not each pair |
| 01:42.37 | harleypig | cats and dogs lying down together ... total chaos! |
| 01:42.41 | vontrapp | dah crap |
| 01:42.57 | harleypig | :> |
| 01:43.29 | vontrapp | i was setting the op to -1 outside the loop, so it only ever waited the first time around |
| 01:59.24 | harleypig | ooooo Resident Evil on sci-fi |
| 01:59.35 | harleypig | of course, it's been emasculated ... |
| 02:17.49 | levi | Of course. |
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| 03:07.02 | Supaplex | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/724a/ awesome |
| 03:07.05 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Geek Love Poem T-shirt] |
| 03:31.37 | sontek | herlo: ping :> |
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| 04:46.37 | levi | It's a quiet night here. |
| 04:47.25 | Tene | maybe... too quiet? |
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| 04:57.05 | levi | Yes, definitely. |
| 04:57.21 | harleypig | Anyone using denyhosts? |
| 04:58.36 | levi | Heh, latest post from Raganwald contains this gem: "It.s just plain people pissed providing a paucity of pertinent points." |
| 04:59.30 | harleypig | heh |
| 05:02.36 | levi | The whole post is a shameless rant. I like it. |
| 05:03.05 | levi | Apparently he missed a flight because the e-ticket mailer mangled the email address he gave it. |
| 05:05.42 | levi | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/sep/20/busybox/ |
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| 08:48.54 | klys | http://www.r-36.net/tsd-0.4.tgz |
| 08:49.05 | klys | ...from __20h__ |
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| 14:27.31 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bExqhhWRI |
| 14:27.34 | tensai | ~quote scox |
| 14:29.08 | harleypig | that's impressive ... especially where the guys tries to shove it off balance |
| 14:29.17 | harleypig | oh ... and walking through snow ... |
| 14:29.43 | ^Migs^ | I'm freaked out |
| 14:30.03 | harleypig | why? |
| 14:30.20 | ^Migs^ | that thing just freaks me out, I don't know why |
| 14:30.37 | harleypig | ok |
| 14:33.12 | fozzmoo | Considering it's from "Boston Dynamics" and it's one letter off from "Big Dig," I'm kinda freaked out too. |
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| 14:34.12 | Jayce^ | that's not new |
| 14:35.10 | harleypig | how's that command go? /ignore? |
| 14:35.29 | fozzmoo | It's /stuffwithsock I think. |
| 14:35.55 | Jayce^ | harleypig, did you ever see http://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wbmcwinners.shtml |
| 14:35.58 | brac | [World Beard & Moustache Championships 2007 | The Winners] |
| 14:36.05 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.25 | harleypig | yeah, but I'm not into handlebars |
| 14:36.49 | Jayce^ | dunno, some of those seem right up your alley |
| 14:37.25 | harleypig | only the full beard sectio |
| 14:37.27 | harleypig | n |
| 14:38.21 | harleypig | http://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wbmcwin/garib1st.html |
| 14:38.22 | brac | [Full Beard Garibaldi - First Prize] |
| 14:38.26 | harleypig | That's my favorite one |
| 14:38.45 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 14:40.06 | fozzmoo | Needs an "Exxon Valdez" insignia. :) |
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| 15:16.56 | elg | -chat the viola |
| 15:17.00 | brac | the viola in elementary school? |
| 15:20.46 | levi | Mmm, loud stereos playing good music. |
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| 15:43.10 | findlay-w | levi: nice |
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| 15:44.59 | tensai | strace++ |
| 15:45.09 | herlo | tensai: agreed! |
| 15:45.29 | tensai | redhat 7.3-- |
| 15:45.35 | Jayce^ | double agreed |
| 15:45.51 | tensai | man, I wish we didn't have so many redhat 7.3 servers |
| 15:46.41 | Jayce^ | tensai, recently made the big shift off them too, big jump |
| 15:47.05 | tensai | Jayce^: to what? upgrade or new servers? |
| 15:47.20 | Jayce^ | upgraded software |
| 15:47.27 | Jayce^ | then doing new servers too |
| 15:52.07 | sjansen | 7.3?! |
| 15:52.17 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 15:52.19 | jsmith | tensai: You don't have that many 7.3 servers... |
| 15:52.28 | jsmith | tensai: I once managed *thousands* of them |
| 15:52.29 | sjansen | That's about as sane as running on Windows ME. |
| 15:52.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen, no kidding |
| 15:53.17 | tensai | jsmith: but do you still have them? |
| 15:53.17 | elg | -chat the findlay |
| 15:53.21 | brac | the findlay constant ($200) |
| 15:54.19 | findlay-w | does that mean I get $200? |
| 15:54.20 | sjansen | Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass findlay. Do not collect $findlay. |
| 15:54.25 | findlay-w | aw |
| 15:54.37 | findlay-w | -chat about free parking |
| 15:54.38 | brac | free parking |
| 15:55.05 | sjansen | -chat about happy clouds |
| 15:55.05 | brac | happy clouds |
| 15:55.16 | sjansen | -chat about happy tree |
| 15:55.16 | brac | happy tree |
| 15:55.53 | findlay-w | -chat about sjansen with an afro painting happy canvases |
| 15:55.53 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 15:55.58 | sjansen | -chat about a virus that turns bunnies blood thirsty |
| 15:55.58 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
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| 16:06.53 | Tene | -chat about sjansen |
| 16:06.53 | brac | sjansen was recently found dead in a hurry. |
| 16:07.55 | findlay-w | heh |
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| 17:07.03 | levi | Man, it's quiet today. |
| 17:09.58 | decriptor | levi: sssh... it was quiet in here |
| 17:31.06 | brasto | find /backup -type f -ctime 7 -delete |
| 17:31.17 | brasto | that would delete all files 7 days old? |
| 17:31.23 | brasto | in /backup? |
| 17:31.25 | Tene | yes |
| 17:31.46 | brasto | beandog - looks like yes. :) |
| 17:32.01 | tensai | brasto: but not files that are 8 days or 6 days old |
| 17:32.11 | brasto | right |
| 17:32.45 | beandog | so gotta use +6 for >=7 |
| 17:33.21 | beandog | right? |
| 17:33.26 | brasto | i think that would work... tensai or Tene, do either of you concur? |
| 17:34.01 | brasto | or maybe it should be +7 |
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| 17:54.15 | *** topic/#utah is The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Software for Starving Students has just been released - http://digg.com/software/Software_for_Starving_Students_2007_09_release_now_available | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070914152904577 |
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| 17:57.28 | decriptor | ~lart ibot |
| 17:57.28 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if decriptor doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
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| 18:18.33 | ^Migs^ | http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/APC0101/70921097/1979/frontpage |
| 18:18.38 | ^Migs^ | YORKTOWN, Ind. — A man accused of snatching another man’s false teeth straight from his mouth during a fight has been charged with robbery. |
| 18:18.52 | ^Migs^ | During the fight, Stahl allegedly put Townsend in a headlock and removed his false teeth. "He said, ’You ain’t getting these back,"’ Townsend told police. |
| 18:18.54 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
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| 18:54.18 | levi | http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2007/09/21/mathematical_markings.php |
| 18:54.19 | brac | [The Loom : Mathematical Markings] |
| 19:04.56 | levi | Real-time ray-tracing is about to arrive: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=455 |
| 19:05.17 | Tene | ~raytrace levi |
| 19:05.24 | ^Migs^ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzimmer/1073086105/in/set-72157601351535771/ |
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| 19:21.48 | elg | today I wish I was independently wealthy |
| 19:22.01 | elg | actually, maybe that's every day |
| 19:22.11 | levi | How come? |
| 19:22.57 | elg | then I could sit around all day and do my research (like I do now) without a care in the world, most especially without politics |
| 19:23.25 | elg | I was reading Crichton's latest (next) and boy am I glad I'm not in a biowhatever field. :) |
| 19:23.48 | levi | Heh. Why's that? |
| 19:24.39 | tensai | I'm going to guess it's related to patents somehow |
| 19:24.46 | elg | big money, corruption, ethical issues |
| 19:24.48 | elg | patents |
| 19:24.57 | elg | although we have the patent problem too |
| 19:25.26 | ^Migs^ | what's his latest book? |
| 19:25.27 | elg | obviously, one could carve out a pretty calm bubble in biotechnology, but it just looks like a turbulent storm |
| 19:25.29 | elg | NEXT |
| 19:25.35 | elg | at least I think it's his latest |
| 19:25.36 | ^Migs^ | oh, okay |
| 19:25.47 | ^Migs^ | I haven't read a Michael Crichton book in about 15 years :( |
| 19:25.53 | elg | oh yeah? |
| 19:26.47 | ^Migs^ | the last one I bought was Airframe, but never read it |
| 19:27.14 | ^Migs^ | let's see. Last one I read must've been Lost World, when it came out. So more like 10 or 11 years. |
| 19:27.22 | elg | as a book, somewhat different from others. not one protagonist, but a lot of different threads. you don't leave the dinosaurs on the island at the end and go home. there is some resolution to the various threads, but the cat's out of the bag and doesn't even begin to get put back in |
| 19:27.31 | elg | I liked airframe |
| 19:27.40 | elg | so read it sometime. ;) |
| 19:27.50 | elg | the problem with crichton books is they're page turners |
| 19:28.00 | elg | best to read them when you have a cold or the flu :) |
| 19:28.03 | elg | off to class |
| 19:28.32 | ^Migs^ | yeah, very true |
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| 19:41.20 | sjansen | ~beer |
| 19:41.21 | ibot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 19:41.38 | sjansen | heh |
| 19:41.49 | sjansen | I was hoping for a Simpsons quote, but that'll do. |
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| 20:10.45 | sjansen | The cow says MOOOO! |
| 20:10.56 | sjansen | The pig says *OINK!* |
| 20:11.05 | sjansen | The duck says QUACK! |
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| 20:11.26 | sjansen | They SCO says I'M NOT DEAD YET! |
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| 20:20.17 | sjansen | http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/09/the_week_that_b.php |
| 20:20.17 | elg | tar grep ipconfig find |
| 20:20.18 | brac | [Rough Type: Nicholas Carr's Blog: The week that Big Software shattered] |
| 20:22.29 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.27 | sjansen | http://magnatune.com/podcasts/details/magnatune_jazz_podcast_2007_07_09_play <-- I wouldn't call much of that Jazz, but it's pretty good. |
| 20:25.37 | sjansen | Give Magnatune your money. They're not evil! |
| 20:25.51 | elg | they have excellent music |
| 20:26.11 | elg | i did stop listening to the podcasts when they started putting the 20-second "this is track blah from album blah" stuff in |
| 20:26.20 | sjansen | http://magnatune.com/podcasts/details/magnatune_jazz_podcast_2007_07_09 <-- If you hear something you like |
| 20:26.27 | elg | it no longer worked as background music |
| 20:26.42 | sjansen | The latest Jazz podcasts at least don't have that. |
| 20:26.51 | elg | maybe they changed their minds again |
| 20:27.15 | elg | may I recommend Antonio Meneses performance of Bach cello suites |
| 20:27.18 | elg | sublime |
| 20:27.19 | sjansen | Three hours of musical variety with only an intro and exit each hour. |
| 20:27.26 | elg | not jazz of course, in the baroque section |
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| 20:32.50 | harleypig | ? |
| 20:33.26 | levi | Wow, this guy has some... interesting stuff in his iTunes. |
| 20:35.19 | levi | Lots of hardcore industrial stuff. |
| 20:35.26 | levi | Fun band names like 'Throbbing Gristle' |
| 20:42.46 | sjansen | harleypig: ! |
| 20:43.15 | tensai | sjansen: & |
| 20:50.27 | bonez39 | levi: my question...who thinks up this stuff...names and such |
| 20:50.52 | levi | bonez39: The guys in the band, I imagine. |
| 20:50.56 | bonez39 | yeah |
| 20:51.16 | levi | "What can we come up with that sounds really hardcore, man?" |
| 20:51.54 | tensai | levi: premature optimization FTW!! |
| 20:52.20 | levi | tensai: Heh. |
| 20:52.53 | levi | When smorrey first posted his plea for jobs, I asked him what happened with the MUD thing we had the huge discussion about before. |
| 20:52.59 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | http://icanhascheezburger.com/ |
| 20:53.38 | levi | Now he's looking for a CMS upon which to base the user community that he hopes to build around the open source release of his MUD thing. |
| 20:53.49 | levi | I can only shake my head. |
| 20:54.15 | Jayce^ | tensai, starting your own nerdcore band? |
| 20:58.17 | levi | MC Tensai? |
| 20:58.51 | Jayce^ | levi, I know I'm way out of practice on my C, but I'm surprised in all this optimization talk nobody has brought up the work the compiler might be doing until you brought up this email |
| 20:58.52 | sjansen | Jayce^: FIN or I'll popd a termcap in yo' assembler foo! |
| 20:59.55 | levi | Jayce^: Well, I did mention early on that the deceptively small originally submitted code was actually going through a mess of libraries. |
| 21:00.19 | Jayce^ | right, but I'm also talking about compiler optimization, outside of libraries |
| 21:00.32 | levi | And clearly not the way to do things if you're in an embedded project and worried about cycles and memory usage. |
| 21:00.35 | Jayce^ | eg benefits of intel CC vs gcc on a chipset |
| 21:01.09 | levi | Most embedded systems aren't x86, and most seem to use gcc these days. |
| 21:01.30 | levi | Unless you've got a really minimal chip, like a PIC or something. |
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| 21:02.51 | levi | I also mentioned, in the discussion about macros for debugging, that a decent compiler will do dead code elimination so a conditional on a constant is not going to add any overhead if the constant is 0/false. |
| 21:03.07 | Jayce^ | ah, probably glazed over that one :) |
| 21:03.16 | levi | I don't think that level of optimization is what they were after with the question, though. |
| 21:03.33 | levi | I think they just wanted to see if he knew how to think like an embedded C programmer. |
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| 21:51.06 | sjansen | ~quote SCOX |
| 21:51.36 | sjansen | How LOOOOOOOOOOW can you go?! |
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| 22:48.59 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 22:55.32 | decriptor | hey I need some python help any takers? |
| 22:56.32 | mrpull | decriptor: lots of #utah python geeks hang out at #utahpython |
| 22:56.43 | decriptor | ah didn't know that that existed |
| 22:56.56 | mrpull | nothing is off topic here... fire away! |
| 22:58.14 | Hearts|laptop | nothing? |
| 22:58.38 | mrpull | Hearts|laptop: barring sex, religion, politics and dirty words... |
| 22:59.03 | mrpull | Hearts|laptop: ok. nothing is not accurate. |
| 22:59.14 | Hearts|laptop | my point exactly |
| 23:01.57 | mrpull | i guess nothing is really on topic here |
| 23:06.26 | elg | mrpull: much better put |
