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| 00:23.50 | sjansen | fozzmoo: a map in the test of a while? |
| 00:23.58 | sjansen | for shame! |
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| 00:57.26 | Ctimewiz | Moo |
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| 04:07.15 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
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| 06:06.11 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 06:06.26 | thrain][ | hi |
| 06:07.15 | Lakshmi | sup/ |
| 06:07.17 | Lakshmi | ? |
| 06:08.22 | thrain][ | homework, mostly |
| 06:09.00 | thrain][ | seems quiet... |
| 06:10.59 | findlay-w | is there anything attractive about a 99 year old guy born on January 1st from Yemen? |
| 06:14.38 | thrain][ | sure. Wait. |
| 06:14.40 | thrain][ | uh. |
| 06:15.09 | thrain][ | I guess he'd be one of a kind? Sorry, that's the best I've got. |
| 06:20.27 | findlay-w | that |
| 06:20.41 | findlay-w | 's the fake info I put into one of those networking sites |
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| 14:03.03 | sinuhe | Lenovo cancelled my Thinkpad order. I'm going to have to reorder it (after waiting nearly two months). |
| 14:03.40 | goozbach | sinuhe: really? |
| 14:03.43 | goozbach | any reason? |
| 14:03.59 | goozbach | I'm trying to decide if I should cancel mine |
| 14:04.03 | goozbach | still hasn't shipped |
| 14:04.33 | sinuhe | From what I can tell, it appears that the bank that does 6 month no interest got sick of waiting for Lenovo to send their shipment. |
| 14:04.55 | sinuhe | The message I got was the credit card information was missing. |
| 14:06.04 | ^Migs^ | does anyone know where the MySQL logs are stored in SuSE? |
| 14:08.23 | ^Migs^ | mysql server logs, actually |
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| 14:12.17 | vontrapp | does php send html headers or does apache? |
| 14:12.26 | vontrapp | if it's php, how do i get it to do so? |
| 14:12.49 | jsmith | vontrapp: Use the header() function |
| 14:13.03 | jsmith | vontrapp: As in Header('X-Custom-Header: foo'); |
| 14:13.19 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: PHP usually sends its own headers. |
| 14:13.36 | jsmith | vontrapp: or Header("Location: /path/to/some/other/resource\r\n"); |
| 14:13.51 | vontrapp | apache is complaining that the script is "dying" before sending headers |
| 14:13.56 | jsmith | But you get the idea |
| 14:19.57 | tensai | ^Migs^: is it specified in the my.cnf? |
| 14:23.50 | ^Migs^ | actually, never mind. Didn't find it, but found a workaround |
| 14:35.27 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.43 | tensai | Jayce^: your new Boyz II Men CD? |
| 14:36.51 | Jayce^ | you know it :) |
| 14:36.59 | Jayce^ | about the same.. new iMac finally arrives |
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| 14:51.11 | fozzmoo | The new iMac: $1200 today. $800 tomorrow. ;-) |
| 14:51.29 | fozzmoo | geeklabs? |
| 14:51.47 | Supaplex | www.geeklabs.com utosc sponsor (I won a free class) |
| 14:51.59 | fozzmoo | Oh. Cool. They're in TN? |
| 14:52.10 | Supaplex | tn? |
| 14:52.15 | fozzmoo | Tennessee? |
| 14:52.30 | Supaplex | my bad. I thought I was in #utah |
| 14:52.40 | Supaplex | no, not TN. :) |
| 14:52.48 | fozzmoo | Or are you at GURU Labs? |
| 14:53.09 | Supaplex | yes I'm there now |
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| 14:53.32 | fozzmoo | Okay. It appears geeklabs is something completely different. :) |
| 14:53.38 | supaplex_ | fozzmoo: moo! |
| 14:53.50 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: What are you taking? |
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| 15:04.24 | Keighvin | ~lart Jace^ |
| 15:04.24 | ibot | pours hot grits down the front of Jace^'s pants |
| 15:04.34 | Keighvin | ~lart Jace^ for great justice |
| 15:04.34 | ibot | slaps Jace^ around with a large trout for great justice |
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| 15:07.47 | Supaplex | ~typosmite Keighvin |
| 15:08.12 | Keighvin | Typosmite? |
| 15:08.14 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: What are you taking? |
| 15:08.27 | fozzmoo | Supaplex: What class are you taking? |
| 15:08.45 | Supaplex | I see no Jace^ here. |
| 15:08.52 | Supaplex | fozzmoo: GL275 |
| 15:08.58 | fozzmoo | Whoa. Nice. |
| 15:09.04 | Keighvin | Ah - now I see it. |
| 15:09.11 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:09.11 | ibot | takes a big bite out of Jayce^'s jugular vein |
| 15:09.26 | Keighvin | One typo, multiplied with an up-enter. |
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| 15:10.55 | elg | -chat i won |
| 15:10.55 | brac | i won one of our lives, but it is definitely better when I restarted it |
| 15:11.50 | thaddeusq | Supaplex: Who's the teacher for the GL275. |
| 15:12.05 | Supaplex | Bryan Croft |
| 15:12.21 | thaddeusq | Supaplex: Awesome. He's one of the best. |
| 15:12.29 | elg | Lara's brother? |
| 15:12.33 | fozzmoo | Uh huh. |
| 15:12.37 | fozzmoo | You can tell, too. |
| 15:12.47 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
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| 15:13.27 | goozbach | Supaplex: close IRC and pay attention. you won't get many chances like this |
| 15:13.30 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:14.04 | Jayce^ | nice... |
| 15:14.07 | Jayce^ | http://steamykitchen.com/blog/2007/08/28/how-to-turn-cheap-choice-steaks-into-gucci-prime-steaks/ |
| 15:14.12 | Supaplex | I could have done w/o jayce's image to... haha |
| 15:14.40 | Jayce^ | Bryan's going to wonder why one of his students is slumped over, drooling, mumbling about "The Pain!" |
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| 15:18.54 | elg | "i am rosemary not a green centipede" |
| 15:19.03 | sinuhe | I sat through one of Bryan's lectures a couple of months ago. He gets so excited that he has a problem with digressing into other topics. :-) |
| 15:19.16 | sinuhe | Those digressions are fun, though. |
| 15:19.29 | sinuhe | Haven't taught the GL275 yet, though. Give me time... |
| 15:19.45 | levi | elg: What's this about plants and bugs? |
| 15:20.56 | thaddeusq | sinuhe: In my time at GL, I never taught the 275. |
| 15:22.10 | elg | levi: it's in a diagram in Jayce^s post |
| 15:22.28 | elg | well, Jayce^s link to someone else's post |
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| 15:29.14 | fozzmoo | I taught one day of 250. :) |
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| 15:32.06 | thaddeusq | herlo: I taught the GL615 three times. |
| 15:32.37 | herlo | thaddeusq: you rock my world when it comes to the 615! |
| 15:32.48 | thaddeusq | herlo: I also taught the 120, 250, 314, RH033, RH133, RH253 and RH300. |
| 15:32.50 | fozzmoo | Is 314 the troubleshooting class? |
| 15:32.56 | herlo | fozzmoo: yup |
| 15:33.02 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. |
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| 15:37.05 | goozbach | any debianistas around? |
| 15:37.08 | brasto | ~kick ibot |
| 15:37.09 | ibot | ACTION kicks ibot |
| 15:37.11 | goozbach | I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 15:37.28 | goozbach | and can't seem to get my .bashrc to get parsed |
| 15:37.58 | harleypig | Jayce^: harleypig croft? |
| 15:38.09 | brasto | goozback, do you boot right to a prompt, or do you have to log in? |
| 15:38.17 | Jayce^ | harleypig, elg was dreaming |
| 15:38.22 | goozbach | brasto: via ssh |
| 15:38.30 | elg | goozbach: do you have .bashrc sourced in .profile? |
| 15:38.34 | elg | or .bash_profile as the case may be |
| 15:38.39 | sjansen | goozbach: What makes you think the .bashrc isn't being read? |
| 15:38.48 | harleypig | about me? I'm flattered. :> |
| 15:38.56 | harleypig | But I don't swing that way |
| 15:39.02 | sjansen | bash should ignore .profile if .bashrc exists |
| 15:39.04 | elg | remember a new login shell doesn't source .bashrc unless the .profile does |
| 15:39.05 | Jayce^ | harleypig, think about it, it's elg... |
| 15:39.12 | elg | sjansen: no, not true |
| 15:39.13 | Jayce^ | you'd hit it... |
| 15:39.23 | elg | it all depends on whether it's a login shell or not |
| 15:39.27 | elg | login shell: .profile |
| 15:39.29 | harleypig | oooo |
| 15:39.31 | elg | non-login shell: .bashrc |
| 15:39.35 | harleypig | being catty are we? |
| 15:39.38 | elg | it's (almost) as simple as that |
| 15:39.47 | elg | except on distros that muddy the waters. :) |
| 15:39.53 | goozbach | sjansen: the fact that my ssh agent is getting set with each new screen console but not during the initial ssh session |
| 15:40.37 | elg | search for ^INVOCATION in bash(1) |
| 15:41.14 | sjansen | When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-inter- |
| 15:41.14 | sjansen | active shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes com- |
| 15:41.14 | sjansen | mands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading |
| 15:41.14 | sjansen | that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, |
| 15:41.14 | sjansen | in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that |
| 15:41.16 | sjansen | exists and is readable. The --noprofile option may be used when the |
| 15:41.20 | sjansen | shell is started to inhibit this behavior. |
| 15:41.20 | goozbach | elg, if I weren't a hetersexual male, I'd kiss you on the mouth right now |
| 15:41.22 | goozbach | that was it |
| 15:41.29 | goozbach | .profile wasn't there |
| 15:41.59 | goozbach | which explains why screen windows where working (non-login) |
| 15:42.03 | sjansen | When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash |
| 15:42.03 | sjansen | reads and executes commands from ~/.bashrc, if that file exists. This |
| 15:42.03 | sjansen | may be inhibited by using the --norc option. The --rcfile file option |
| 15:42.03 | sjansen | will force bash to read and execute commands from file instead of |
| 15:42.03 | sjansen | ~/.bashrc. |
| 15:42.04 | ibot | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 15:42.05 | elg | goozbach: what if I cross-dressed? |
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| 15:42.16 | Jayce^ | elg, remember, harleypig is around |
| 15:42.26 | elg | ah, good idea |
| 15:42.32 | elg | goozbach: you can kiss harleypig in proxy |
| 15:42.39 | harleypig | :* |
| 15:43.09 | elg | what ibot said ;-) |
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| 16:07.08 | brasto | beandog, I found this: http://www.sf.net/powerbar/sfee/ |
| 16:07.11 | brac | [SourceForge.net: SourceForge Enterprise Edition Download] |
| 16:07.18 | brasto | that's what I was thinking of yesterday |
| 16:07.25 | brasto | is it the same as gforge? |
| 16:07.44 | brasto | um... who's brac? |
| 16:08.09 | brasto | http://gforgegroup.com/es/download.php |
| 16:08.33 | brasto | odd... brac didn't have an automated response to that url... |
| 16:08.43 | brasto | ~brac |
| 16:08.44 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, brac is the enemy, or a bnot |
| 16:08.55 | brasto | ~bnot |
| 16:09.07 | brasto | ~wiki bnot |
| 16:09.20 | brasto | ~dict bnot |
| 16:09.28 | Jayce^ | !brac |
| 16:09.30 | UtahBot | Jayce^: Error: "brac" is not a valid command. |
| 16:09.33 | brasto | ok... that was helpfull |
| 16:09.51 | Jayce^ | ok, too many bots sitting around |
| 16:09.54 | Jayce^ | -brac |
| 16:13.43 | tensai | brasto: yeah, gforge is the fork of sfee when it went closed source. I tried to find sfee yesterday but didn't see any mention of it on sf.net |
| 16:14.27 | brasto | tensai, that was my experience as well when looking for it on sf.net. I finally found it by using the thing I should have used at the start: google. |
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| 16:17.18 | fozzmoo | Got one of those. Doesn't fit within spitting distance. |
| 16:17.29 | fozzmoo | I found an empty 44 oz cup. :) |
| 16:18.41 | tensai | fozzmoo: just learn to spit farther. practice makes perfect. and a mess. |
| 16:18.56 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
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| 16:22.31 | redbeard2 | today's lesson: there are two types of bay leaves in the world (at least). you have mediterranean bay, and you have californian bay |
| 16:22.44 | redbeard2 | when a recipe calls for a bay leaf, it's usually calling for mediterranean bay |
| 16:23.15 | redbeard2 | that's because californian bay tastes like menthol, which is probably why the rice that the catering company brought us today also tastes like menthol |
| 16:24.00 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, yeah, they aren't actually bay leaves (the CA ones), but a strain of eucalyptis |
| 16:24.14 | redbeard2 | yeah, that's true |
| 16:24.50 | redbeard2 | i was really looking forward to my saffroned rice and beans, but it all tastes like a mexican cough drop |
| 16:25.39 | levi | redbeard2: That sounds unpleasant. |
| 16:25.52 | redbeard2 | levi: to say the least |
| 16:26.40 | levi | redbeard2: I baked me some yummy focaccia on Sunday. |
| 16:26.40 | redbeard2 | levi: what kind? |
| 16:26.41 | levi | Plain, with herbed olive oil on top. |
| 16:26.48 | redbeard2 | that sounds tasty |
| 16:27.06 | levi | I ate about half of it the night I made it. :) |
| 16:28.02 | levi | Mmmm, panang curry. |
| 16:28.13 | levi | I love the panang from Thai Delight. |
| 16:28.38 | brasto | half the fun was that the fresh trout was my 4-year-old son's first catch |
| 16:28.57 | brasto | I had a bite or two, and gave the rest to him. |
| 16:29.32 | brasto | so, really, my dinner was hamburger helper since i didn't catch any other fish |
| 16:29.59 | brasto | ~dict pangang |
| 16:30.12 | brasto | ~wiki pangang |
| 16:30.27 | brasto | ~pangang |
| 16:30.35 | levi | You've got an extra g in there. |
| 16:30.40 | brasto | doh! |
| 16:30.45 | brasto | ~panang |
| 16:30.55 | brasto | ~dict panang |
| 16:30.57 | redbeard2 | ~wiki panang |
| 16:31.13 | redbeard2 | except that mine was chicken, not beef |
| 16:31.22 | levi | I usually have chicken, too. |
| 16:31.28 | Jayce^ | mmm, fish sauce :) |
| 16:31.34 | levi | I love the kaffir lime leaves. |
| 16:32.43 | levi | brasto: where do you live? |
| 16:32.51 | brasto | orem |
| 16:32.55 | levi | Or, rather, where do you work? |
| 16:33.13 | levi | Which is to say, what area would go to lunch in? :) |
| 16:33.20 | beandog | its never too early for lunch |
| 16:33.54 | levi | Does Utah Valley have any good Thai places? |
| 16:34.22 | redbeard2 | levi: there's okay that's kind of okay |
| 16:34.39 | redbeard2 | Jayce^ and his kind refer to it as "cheap thai" |
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| 16:34.56 | levi | redbeard2: Where is it? |
| 16:34.58 | decriptor_ | levi: the place on 8th north is really good |
| 16:35.17 | neybar | the problem is that "cheap thai" really isn't cheap anymore. |
| 16:35.23 | redbeard2 | levi: it's on state, across from the mall |
| 16:35.28 | redbeard2 | kind of by arbys |
| 16:35.36 | findlay-w | I know where Thailand is |
| 16:35.47 | beandog | mm, arbys |
| 16:35.48 | beandog | thats a good idea. |
| 16:35.50 | brasto | i work at linux networx, so slc and utah valleys are game for me |
| 16:35.58 | beandog | cheap meat, smashed buns, nasty sauce. |
| 16:35.59 | decriptor_ | my recommendation is the one on 8th north behind the sonic ( west of state) great food pretty good prce |
| 16:36.11 | redbeard2 | decriptor_: name? |
| 16:36.15 | levi | brasto: Oh, I used to go to Thai Delight frequently when I worked there. |
| 16:36.24 | neybar | thai chili garden? bleck |
| 16:36.35 | decriptor_ | redbeard2: wish I could remember thai garden or something like that |
| 16:36.47 | decriptor_ | neybar: I think that's it |
| 16:36.56 | decriptor_ | there is also a really good place in AF |
| 16:37.02 | neybar | yeah, I get dragged there every few months and regret it every time. |
| 16:37.17 | decriptor_ | neybar: the place in orem ? |
| 16:37.20 | neybar | yeah |
| 16:37.22 | decriptor_ | why |
| 16:37.26 | decriptor_ | I've never had a problem with it |
| 16:37.28 | levi | decriptor_: A good place in AF sounds good to me, since I live in Lehi. |
| 16:37.40 | decriptor_ | its on main street I think |
| 16:37.47 | decriptor_ | so pretty close to lehi |
| 16:37.54 | decriptor_ | neybar: what don't you like about it |
| 16:37.56 | levi | Nice. I'll have to give it a try. |
| 16:38.04 | neybar | I don't know, it is just sub par for me. I've had better thai |
| 16:38.24 | neybar | about the only thing they right is there masaman curry |
| 16:38.34 | neybar | s/there/their/ |
| 16:38.34 | levi | If it doesn't work for me, I'll end up having to drive all the way to Thai Delight whenever I want Thai. |
| 16:38.35 | tensai | what's that place on state street in provo. just north of the overpass |
| 16:38.40 | decriptor_ | ah interesting I usually only have the curry |
| 16:38.58 | neybar | don't bother with their pad thai |
| 16:39.14 | decriptor_ | neybar: I thought it was pretty good, though the one in AF does it better |
| 16:39.33 | decriptor_ | we do a buffet style thing when we go in a group |
| 16:39.45 | decriptor_ | so I've tried a little of a few other things |
| 16:40.59 | neybar | I can't remember it's name, but there is a really good thai resturant in murray on 45th and 9th |
| 16:44.06 | Jayce^ | levi, the AF one is supposed to be pretty good |
| 16:44.31 | Jayce^ | it's in an old house, on state street, few blocks west from where all the new development is.. North side of the road |
| 16:54.17 | redbeard2 | from one of my students: "i just looked at 'man date' and thought, 'wow, if only it were so easy'" |
| 16:55.46 | tensai | ~man woman |
| 16:56.58 | fozzmoo | redbeard2: Is she hot? :) |
| 16:57.11 | levi | Jayce^: Oh, yeah, I remember seeing that. |
| 16:59.58 | findlay-w | ~date |
| 16:59.58 | ibot | It is now 2007.09.18 16:59:58 GMT |
| 17:00.07 | findlay-w | ~man |
| 17:00.08 | ibot | Tem and Tain are the man. |
| 17:00.20 | findlay-w | ~man ~date |
| 17:00.20 | ibot | No manual entry for ~date |
| 17:00.31 | brasto | so, were we deciding on an impromptu lunch? |
| 17:01.17 | brasto | I'm game for lunch around 12, 12:30, or 1 somewhere btn Murray and AF |
| 17:03.03 | findlay-w | I want to have lunch at either the Point Barrow or the Straits of Magellan |
| 17:03.11 | findlay-w | s/the // |
| 17:07.27 | brasto | I loved going to Wagonmasters when it was open |
| 17:07.41 | brasto | it's had a sign saying they plan to renovate then reopen for a few years |
| 17:07.53 | brasto | I haven't checked back for over a year, but I bet it's still the same |
| 17:07.57 | RyanE | yeah, we got a gift cert for it about a month before the 'grand closing'. |
| 17:08.00 | RyanE | kind of a drag |
| 17:08.49 | brasto | RyanE, when did it close? I never was sure, I found out by going there one time with my wife, only to find it was closed... |
| 17:09.11 | RyanE | Yeah, I don't rememer, it's been a while. Probably 2 years ago, I'd guess. |
| 17:09.15 | brasto | ~UtahBot |
| 17:09.15 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, utahbot is the most retarded useless bot ever in the history of irc. |
| 17:09.23 | brasto | lol |
| 17:09.50 | brasto | lol on the UtahBot, not RyanE's comment |
| 17:10.05 | tensai | findlay-w: I'll be at mcmurdo station for lunch if you want to join me |
| 17:12.09 | RyanE | brasto: have you tried Cowboy Grub? Similar type of food, but not in covered wagons. Of course, I haven't been there in probably 5 years, it may have closed as well. :) |
| 17:12.41 | brasto | RyanE, nope. |
| 17:13.13 | brasto | Wagonmasters was also fun for the actors - the cop and the robber/bandit |
| 17:13.26 | brasto | and the fake gunfights |
| 17:14.01 | brasto | and the fake cactus' all around, with the fake stars in the ceiling. |
| 17:15.14 | RyanE | I found it a little more dark than I like a place that's serving me food... like they didn't want you to look at it too closely... :) |
| 17:30.15 | beandog | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/09/leaked_media_de.html |
| 17:30.17 | brac | [Schneier on Security: Leaked MediaDefender E-mails] |
| 17:30.18 | beandog | that last q/a is classic |
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| 17:59.14 | elg | so what exactly does sco chapter 11 mean? |
| 18:00.40 | Jayce^ | nobody can touch the money we currently have, or demand repayment... |
| 18:00.55 | Jayce^ | we get one year to propose and implement a plan to be profitable.. |
| 18:01.13 | Jayce^ | chapter 11 means we think we have a way to turn around, give us a year |
| 18:03.34 | unum | the people they owe money to have a say in that. currently they owe money to ms,sun, and their own lawyers |
| 18:03.37 | fozzmoo | Unlike Chapter 7. |
| 18:04.16 | fozzmoo | Wow. unum. |
| 18:04.36 | unum | pj has a nice write up about it |
| 18:05.38 | unum | by filing before the trial they have managed their coconspirators in charge of the company in a nice "plausible deniablity" manner |
| 18:11.53 | beandog | how many bankruptcy chapters are there? |
| 18:12.09 | Keighvin | At least 13 |
| 18:13.22 | Keighvin | Er, that was supposed to be funny - but I guess it's lost without accounting geeks (my Dad's one, so I get some of that) |
| 18:13.51 | Keighvin | They're referred to by Chapter definitions based on the portion of the bankruptcy code in which they originally appeared, but it's not a literal count. |
| 18:14.28 | teabeer | eh, there are bankruptcy chapters all over the US |
| 18:14.31 | teabeer | just like AA |
| 18:15.15 | Keighvin | teabeer.funny > Keighvin.funny |
| 18:16.54 | ^Migs^ | Keighvin.setFunny(teabeer.funny + 1); |
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| 18:17.44 | Keighvin | Woohoo! |
| 18:17.51 | Keighvin | Pseudocode FTW |
| 18:19.26 | unum | how many different types are there? |
| 18:19.40 | unum | I only know of chapter 7 and chapter 11 |
| 18:20.11 | tensai | wikipedia says there are six. 7, 9, 11, 12, 13 and 15. |
| 18:20.35 | jsmith | And only three of them are prime numbers... |
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| 18:31.38 | elg | so it's really just another delay |
| 18:32.11 | herlo | elg: but at least 7 is a prime number... |
| 18:32.32 | elg | you mean 11? |
| 18:32.36 | herlo | elg: no |
| 18:32.38 | herlo | 7 |
| 18:32.44 | herlo | which is what we *want* them to do |
| 18:32.45 | elg | didn't they file chapter 11? |
| 18:32.51 | herlo | elg: yeah |
| 18:32.57 | elg | 11 is prime too |
| 18:33.15 | herlo | elg: true, but its 2 digits long... |
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| 18:49.06 | tensai | it's remotely possible that they'll reorganize under chapter 11 and quit being stupid |
| 18:49.31 | tensai | it's not hard to see that there's not going to be any revenue from their lawsuits |
| 18:51.56 | Keighvin | Actually there's quite a lot of it, it just happens to have that pesky signed bit in front of it. |
| 18:58.42 | elg | -chat about the sjansen |
| 18:58.42 | brac | the sjansen method. |
| 18:58.56 | elg | -chat about the goozbach |
| 18:58.56 | brac | the goozbach naming orginzation |
| 18:59.06 | elg | -chat about emcnabb is |
| 18:59.07 | brac | emcnabb is currently on #utah #uphpu. Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: 'which is essentially a translator from ethernet to whatever they want to populate it with a leatherman |
| 18:59.25 | goozbach | blarg |
| 18:59.32 | goozbach | -chat about blarg is |
| 18:59.34 | brac | blarg is |
| 18:59.40 | goozbach | -chat blarg |
| 18:59.42 | brac | blarg was |
| 18:59.46 | goozbach | was it |
| 18:59.48 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:00.18 | Keighvin | I didn't think it was. |
| 19:00.23 | jsmith | -chat aobut goozbach went |
| 19:00.23 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 19:00.30 | jsmith | -chat about goozbach went |
| 19:00.31 | brac | goozbach went |
| 19:02.23 | rsimpkins | -chat about Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair. Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't very fuzzy was he? |
| 19:02.23 | brac | who knows? |
| 19:02.23 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 19:02.55 | elg | -chat -chat about |
| 19:02.56 | brac | -chat about ~say -chat about ~onjoin harleypig in a cosmic-babysitter aren't good enough for those wondering) |
| 19:03.05 | elg | -chat ~say |
| 19:03.06 | brac | ~say was |
| 19:03.06 | ibot | was |
| 19:03.11 | elg | -chat ~say he |
| 19:03.12 | brac | ~say he |
| 19:03.12 | ibot | he |
| 19:03.15 | elg | -chat ~say it |
| 19:03.15 | brac | ~say it |
| 19:03.15 | ibot | it |
| 19:03.19 | elg | -chat ~say |
| 19:03.19 | brac | ~say was |
| 19:03.19 | ibot | was |
| 19:03.25 | elg | -chat ~say hello |
| 19:03.25 | brac | ~say hello |
| 19:03.26 | ibot | hello |
| 19:03.32 | elg | ~say you are a fool |
| 19:03.33 | ibot | you are a fool |
| 19:03.36 | elg | -chat ~say you |
| 19:03.36 | brac | ~say you are hopelessly lost just hit backspace |
| 19:03.37 | ibot | you are hopelessly lost just hit backspace |
| 19:03.47 | jsmith | -chat about ibot is |
| 19:03.47 | brac | ibot is back. |
| 19:04.06 | elg | -chat the last |
| 19:04.06 | brac | the last character of SIP can be understood as "i love you #utah |
| 19:04.20 | elg | sounds like a topic for #utaug :) |
| 19:04.25 | jsmith | elg: Definitely... |
| 19:04.33 | jsmith | -chat about SIP is |
| 19:04.34 | brac | SIP is an rss feed |
| 19:10.00 | tensai | jsmith: uh, oh. if SIP is an rss feed, you'll need to revamp your book |
| 19:12.30 | jsmith | tensai: Version 3.0! |
| 19:16.22 | Jayce^ | dang, books already outdated |
| 19:17.43 | jsmith | Jayce^: Preaching to the choir, man. Preaching to the choir. |
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| 19:45.29 | Zelut | ssh tunnels ftw |
| 19:47.12 | vontrapp | stupid ssh tunnels |
| 19:47.25 | vontrapp | they always think you don't want to be able to tunnel through them from other computers |
| 19:49.46 | tensai | ssh tunnels are neat, but openvpn is neater |
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| 19:49.56 | vontrapp | tensai++ |
| 19:50.25 | Tene | openvpn++ |
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| 19:52.19 | Keighvin | vontrapp: that would simply be a mattter of configuring the port forwards correctly. |
| 19:52.34 | Keighvin | Un ja: openvpn != suck |
| 19:53.34 | tensai | Jayce^: what can I say, you're an easy target |
| 19:54.44 | vontrapp | ~paint Jayce^ |
| 19:54.44 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^ |
| 19:57.38 | Tene | Keighvin: no, it's GatewayPorts in sshd_config |
| 19:58.27 | Tene | vontrapp: set GatewayPorts to on on the relevant machine and remember to prefix your argument to -L or -R with a : |
| 19:58.59 | vontrapp | eh? |
| 19:59.05 | vontrapp | what's this : business? |
| 19:59.20 | Tene | -L :8080:localhost:80 |
| 19:59.26 | vontrapp | what does that do? |
| 19:59.36 | vontrapp | nobodoy ever told me that |
| 19:59.37 | Tene | that tells ssh to listen on every address instead of just localhost |
| 19:59.38 | sjansen | openvpn is the cool |
| 19:59.44 | Tene | It's in the man page. |
| 19:59.49 | vontrapp | that would have been nice to know |
| 19:59.55 | vontrapp | jeez |
| 19:59.59 | Tene | -L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport |
| 20:00.08 | vontrapp | what's the gateway ports in sshd_confgi? |
| 20:00.16 | vontrapp | there's no commented out version in the conf |
| 20:00.26 | Tene | GatewayPorts yes |
| 20:00.27 | jsmith | Tene: That's the best tip I've heard all week. |
| 20:00.44 | mrpull | interesting... the sports radio station just had an ad for MS Silverlight |
| 20:01.00 | mrpull | what sports geeks (beside maybe me) even knows what Silverlight is? |
| 20:01.19 | Tene | The relevant text from 'man ssh' is "The bind_address of “localhost” indicates that the listening port be bound for local use only, while an empty address or ‘*’ indicates that the port should be available from all interfaces." |
| 20:01.37 | Tene | prefixing with : indicates an empty address. |
| 20:02.11 | elg | Tene: interesting. is that new syntax? |
| 20:02.15 | Tene | elg: no |
| 20:02.16 | elg | is it semantically equivalent to -g? |
| 20:02.29 | Tene | elg: no clue. |
| 20:02.52 | tensai | there was one of them, -L or -R, that wasn't affected by -g. can't recall which |
| 20:03.01 | vontrapp | elg: i think -g allows it to listen on other addresses |
| 20:03.06 | Tene | My inclination is "-g is for -L, GatewayPorts is for -R" |
| 20:03.07 | vontrapp | whilst : makes it actually do it |
| 20:03.10 | brasto | ~IIRC |
| 20:03.11 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, iirc is "if I recall correctly" |
| 20:03.21 | Tene | That's just a WAG, though. |
| 20:03.25 | brasto | ah, that's what that annoying acronym is... |
| 20:03.25 | Tene | ~wag |
| 20:03.26 | ibot | somebody said wag was wild ass guess |
| 20:03.27 | elg | well I've got it working before without ever using :, so no |
| 20:03.50 | elg | and I've got -g working with -R too |
| 20:03.54 | vontrapp | hmm |
| 20:03.54 | vontrapp | i never have |
| 20:04.07 | elg | but your remote server does need to have that gatewayports setting (I think that's the one) |
| 20:04.10 | elg | which is often not default |
| 20:04.33 | vontrapp | which is lame |
| 20:04.42 | vontrapp | LAME i say |
| 20:04.45 | beandog | lame! |
| 20:05.08 | vontrapp | lame! |
| 20:05.39 | tensai | how did we switch topics to mp3 encoding? |
| 20:06.34 | sjansen | could we talk about editing ogg theora video instead of mp3 encoding? |
| 20:06.40 | tensai | speaking of mp3s (hey, you brought it up), I've been running Rockbox and I like it |
| 20:06.58 | tensai | rockbox being an alternative firmware for ipods, et. al. |
| 20:07.20 | sjansen | Seems like there's nothing decent for editing video with audio to cleanup screencasts. |
| 20:07.32 | vontrapp | sjansen: yes we can |
| 20:07.37 | sjansen | No way I'm going to try to record a perfect screencast. |
| 20:07.55 | sjansen | vontrapp: Any recommendations? |
| 20:08.13 | tensai | editing is for sissies. video should be recorded perfectly the first time, in the exact order you want it. |
| 20:08.24 | vontrapp | no, i just gave you permission to talk about it |
| 20:08.58 | vontrapp | i wish there was some quality video editing software for linux |
| 20:09.39 | sjansen | vontrapp: Hey! I already staked out the whining ground. You don't get to whine too. You have to solve my problems. |
| 20:12.26 | Tene | sjansen: what are you using to record such things, btw? |
| 20:12.32 | mrpull | sjansen: have you tried Wink? |
| 20:13.02 | sjansen | Istanbul, easy to yum install on fedora. |
| 20:14.28 | sjansen | mrpull: Looks like Wink isn't Free Software. |
| 20:14.40 | beandog | tensai, heh |
| 20:14.49 | mrpull | sjansen: that is correct |
| 20:14.58 | sjansen | If I were willing to use non-free software video editing wouldn't be a problem wout it? |
| 20:15.29 | beandog | Sure, but I dunno about your spelling |
| 20:15.46 | vontrapp | great, does php always neglect content-length? |
| 20:16.00 | beandog | sjansen, which ones did you try |
| 20:16.29 | Tene | vontrapp: you expect PHP to behave sanely? |
| 20:16.36 | sjansen | All I could find was Kino and Cinelerra. Couldn't yum install either, but based on the reviews neither is great. |
| 20:16.42 | vontrapp | Tene: course not |
| 20:16.56 | beandog | sjansen, if its nothing major, Id try avidemux |
| 20:17.19 | beandog | sjansen, do you just need to cut scenes and stuff? |
| 20:17.28 | Tene | I've used avidemux before for some simple stuff. |
| 20:17.35 | mrpull | sjansen: so if there isn't a Free tool that is a perfect fit for your needs you still wouldn't consider a free non-Free tool? |
| 20:18.03 | tensai | I've used Cinelerra. it crashed too much and the interface was hideous. it did do many of the things it claimed to though. |
| 20:18.08 | sjansen | I'd like to be able to cleanup content by removing or copying frames then add and edit an audio track. |
| 20:18.31 | beandog | yah, avidemux can do that |
| 20:18.34 | vontrapp | i wget info.php... a fart, my disk quota is exceeded |
| 20:18.46 | beandog | at least, the video stuff, not sure about adding multiple audio tracks |
| 20:19.03 | sjansen | mrpull: Depends. For personal, no I wouldn't. For work, maybe but I don't like to be dependent on proprietary software. |
| 20:19.15 | beandog | Whats everyones preferred spreadsheet program? I need some alternatives.. |
| 20:19.18 | Tene | I've used the mplayer tools to add a separate audio track to a video before. |
| 20:19.28 | Tene | beandog: what do you need to do with it? |
| 20:19.35 | beandog | Tene, thats what I was gonna say, but post-editing |
| 20:19.40 | Zelut | beandog: google spreadsheets? |
| 20:19.53 | sjansen | tensai: That's what I keep reading. Kino can't do what I want. Cinelerra can if only it would stay running. |
| 20:20.08 | beandog | Im using gnumeric, and its just somewhat annoying sometimes when editing / saving CSV files |
| 20:21.03 | Zelut | beandog: seems like your options are gnumeric, OOo spreadsheets or google. I like google because its lightweight, but then google pwns your datas |
| 20:21.06 | sjansen | gnumeric is less annoying than google spreasheets (slow) and OOo calc (bloated) |
| 20:21.23 | beandog | what about kspread |
| 20:21.38 | sjansen | I'm ethically opposed to C++. |
| 20:22.11 | mrpull | beandog: build tables in your favorite RDBMS and use SQL to do your dealings |
| 20:22.17 | beandog | lol |
| 20:22.18 | mrpull | that is really flexible and easy |
| 20:22.32 | beandog | thats one idea |
| 20:23.20 | mrpull | then you could later add an ajax'y front end to it |
| 20:23.25 | Tene | beandog: what sort of data do you need to work with? |
| 20:23.32 | Tene | mrpull: you can do that with any data store at all. |
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| 20:23.54 | beandog | Tene, nothing specific, Im just generally grumpy with gnumeric's bugs. |
| 20:24.00 | beandog | and latest isnt in portage. :C |
| 20:24.44 | mrpull | Tene: check your sarcasm meter... it might need calibration |
| 20:24.44 | Tene | mrpull: it's severely mistuned. |
| 20:25.02 | Tene | beandog: whenever I need to munge a bunch of data, I just write a little custom perl script. |
| 20:25.24 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:25.46 | beandog | I knows no perl. |
| 20:25.47 | beandog | I'm doomed. |
| 20:26.44 | Supap|ex | perl -e 'print "Hello World.\n"' there you go. :P |
| 20:26.57 | Tene | I'm not entirely sure what spreadsheets are used for in general, though. |
| 20:27.13 | Tene | What are some things you've used spreadsheets for recently? |
| 20:27.26 | vontrapp | for spreading your sheets, of course |
| 20:27.38 | beandog | data importation |
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| 20:27.59 | vontrapp | use csv |
| 20:28.23 | vontrapp | you can't get more free than that |
| 20:28.52 | beandog | thats what Im using |
| 20:28.58 | mrpull | the @avg function in CSV is borked |
| 20:29.00 | beandog | but these spreadsheet programs are just .. dumb. |
| 20:29.26 | Tene | beandog: importing data into what? |
| 20:29.27 | beandog | oh well |
| 20:29.30 | beandog | db |
| 20:29.38 | brasto | wps, arrr you getting your question answered on virtusertable vs aliases? |
| 20:29.47 | Tene | beandog: do you go data -> spreadsheet -> RDBMS? |
| 20:29.52 | Tene | s/do/so/ |
| 20:29.57 | Tene | >< |
| 20:30.02 | beandog | no, just spredsheet -> rdbms |
| 20:30.21 | wps | I think so, brasto, yes. |
| 20:30.32 | Tene | so what sort of transformations does the spreadsheet perform on the data? what are you using the spreadhseet for? |
| 20:30.33 | wps | still absolutely confused on the second email I sent though… about Mailman |
| 20:30.38 | wps | though |
| 20:32.53 | tensai | Tene: we unfortunately use a number of spreadsheets to keep track of IP address allocations |
| 20:33.07 | Supap|ex | ouch |
| 20:33.32 | tensai | it's been that way for many years and can sometimes be a pain. ok, a lot of times. |
| 20:34.25 | tensai | Supap|ex: sorry, that one is assigned to J215. You can have 127.117.12.0/26 if you like. |
| 20:35.24 | Supap|ex | doh! |
| 20:35.27 | tensai | ~lart Exchange 5.5 |
| 20:35.27 | ibot | teaches Exchange 5.5 the basics, including how to RTM |
| 20:39.36 | redbeard2 | i just had a student do something really interesting. |
| 20:39.45 | Keighvin | Flunk them! |
| 20:39.51 | redbeard2 | grep `/bin/bash` /etc/passwd |
| 20:40.21 | redbeard2 | imagine his surprise when suddenly, none of the commands that he typed displayed anything on the screen |
| 20:40.49 | beandog | heh |
| 20:41.24 | brasto | redbeard2, i didn't catch how that caused a problem - what did i miss? |
| 20:41.35 | Keighvin | back-ticks |
| 20:41.40 | redbeard2 | brasto: those are backticks, when he meant single-quotes |
| 20:41.49 | brasto | ah... lol |
| 20:42.36 | teabeer | next they'll need to learn the subtle difference between "kill %1" and "kill 1" :) |
| 20:43.37 | brasto | so, what do the back-ticks do in a grep? I imagine they should be escaped if you actually wanted to search for them? |
| 20:43.54 | mrpull | teabeer: i made that mistake about 4 years ago. I still tease myself about it at times. |
| 20:44.01 | brasto | or have normal single quotes around them |
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| 20:47.07 | teabeer | mrpull: yes, who hasn't had their fingers mashed a bit by the unix power tool |
| 20:47.53 | mrpull | teabeer: in this case, I was troubleshooting the remaining running host in a failover pair |
| 20:47.58 | teabeer | there is a sign over my desk that says "Tink twice. Hit enter once" |
| 20:48.25 | mrpull | so we went from... why is that loadbalancer down? to why are all 50 sites down? |
| 20:48.46 | teabeer | heh |
| 20:48.49 | mrpull | whoopsy |
| 20:49.43 | Supap|ex | :-x |
| 20:50.21 | tensai | brasto: backticks run the contained command and return its results |
| 20:50.39 | tensai | for example, echo `tty` |
| 20:50.57 | Supap|ex | brasto: the output of the command is expanded into the resulting command line. |
| 20:52.49 | Jayce^ | mmm, 24" of extreme goodness |
| 20:54.08 | Supap|ex | Jayce^: pizza? |
| 20:54.10 | mrpull | Jayce^: perhaps you should clarify 24" of what |
| 20:54.21 | Jayce^ | new iMac finally arrived |
| 20:55.21 | mrpull | Jayce^: time to get to work installing Vista on it! |
| 20:56.05 | Supap|ex | ~lart mrpull's Vista fantasy |
| 20:56.05 | ibot | drops a baby grand on mrpull's Vista fantasy |
| 21:05.35 | brasto | it puts the person into bash, then when they type exit it greps the bash session? |
| 21:08.01 | teabeer | all they needed to do was type echo "/bin/bash" and exited the shell |
| 21:08.14 | teabeer | then they would have done what they originally wanted |
| 21:08.48 | tensai | teabeer: that doesn't quite work |
| 21:08.59 | teabeer | it does for me |
| 21:09.09 | tensai | grep: /home/tensai/bin/bash: No such file or directory |
| 21:09.10 | tensai | grep: |
| 21:09.10 | tensai | : No such file or directory |
| 21:09.40 | tensai | brasto: bash's output is not meant to be used on the command line. many commands are though. |
| 21:09.56 | brasto | ah |
| 21:10.08 | tensai | you could for instance do something like grep foo `find /tmp -type f` |
| 21:10.35 | tensai | incidentally, use of the backticks is not recommended. you should use $() instead |
| 21:10.46 | tensai | as in, grep foo $(find /tmp -type f) |
| 21:10.52 | elg | yesno |
| 21:11.00 | brasto | hey, that's a cool alternative to piping... that's the same as find /tmp -type f | grep foo ? |
| 21:11.00 | teabeer | or find /tmp -type f | grep foo ;) |
| 21:11.04 | tensai | the beauty of $() is that it's nestable |
| 21:11.10 | elg | backticks are here to stay, and they can look nicer |
| 21:11.24 | elg | but if you need nesting, use $() |
| 21:11.30 | brasto | lol, teabeer answered my question before i asked |
| 21:11.35 | tensai | elg: ok, I'll restate. *I* don't recommend using backticks. |
| 21:11.38 | elg | :) |
| 21:11.54 | tensai | teabeer: that's not quite the same command though |
| 21:12.11 | teabeer | I use backticks in for loops all the time |
| 21:12.14 | tensai | "find /tmp -type f | grep foo" will look for foo in the list of files |
| 21:12.32 | tensai | "grep foo $(find /tmp -type f)" will look for foo in the contents of those files |
| 21:12.43 | elg | ...which have no spaces or special characters in their name |
| 21:12.57 | elg | find /tmp -type f | while read i; do grep foo "$i"; done |
| 21:13.40 | tensai | find /tmp -type f -print0 |xargs -0 grep foo |
| 21:14.39 | teabeer | find /tmp -type f -exec grep foo {} |
| 21:14.41 | teabeer | :) |
| 21:14.49 | teabeer | although the print0/xargs method is better |
| 21:14.50 | elg | i think you still need the quotes |
| 21:14.52 | elg | "{}" |
| 21:15.04 | elg | and you need \; |
| 21:15.10 | teabeer | find /tmp -type f -exec grep foo {} \; even |
| 21:16.09 | teabeer | I'm going to start doing things like grep `echo "/bin/bash"` /etc/passwd |
| 21:17.44 | teabeer | actually no, I'm not |
| 21:19.30 | tensai | : () { : | :; }; : |
| 21:31.11 | teabeer | tensai: I got some spam today just about like that |
| 21:31.24 | teabeer | Subject: !:!:!]) .]** ).:[!) |
| 21:31.37 | tensai | teabeer: good, good. my botnet is still working then. |
| 21:34.20 | redbeard2 | can anyone tell me if the createrepo command creates anything other than the repodata directory? |
| 21:34.54 | elg | probably? |
| 21:35.33 | thaddeusq | redbeard2: I assume you mean other than the repodata directory and its contents? |
| 21:36.33 | thaddeusq | redbeard2: It creates all the metadata information needed to be a yum repository. |
| 21:39.00 | thaddeusq | s/yum/package/ |
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| 21:57.43 | wps | is Jesse Stay in here? |
| 21:58.22 | Keighvin | Don't think he's on today. |
| 21:58.34 | wps | k |
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| 22:14.40 | tensai | ~seen \me |
| 22:14.46 | ibot | \me <n=jstayii@get.your.hosting.from.gv-hosting.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 26d 3h 58m 20s ago, saying: 'anyone here deal with yui autocomplete before?'. |
| 22:15.00 | tensai | wps: that's his latest nick |
| 22:15.43 | brasto | anyone know why some apps have no sound in my OpenSuse 10.2 install at work? |
| 22:16.06 | brasto | I want my chat program to "growl", like wps' does :) |
| 22:16.49 | decriptor_ | brasto: I don't know why? |
| 22:16.56 | decriptor_ | :P |
| 22:17.31 | decriptor_ | :P |
| 22:17.59 | decriptor_ | what apps don't have sound? |
| 22:29.12 | findlay-w | ~strive |
| 22:30.16 | tensai | ~strive is <action> rips $who's head off |
| 22:30.17 | ibot | okay, tensai |
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| 22:32.46 | findlay-w | ~date |
| 22:32.46 | ibot | It is now 2007.09.18 22:32:46 GMT |
| 22:38.32 | findlay-w | time for class! |
| 22:38.35 | findlay-w | yay, math |
| 22:38.54 | tensai | see, now I think he's actually excited about math. that's just strange. |
| 22:41.17 | bmidgley | openstreetmap doesn't have a single scrap of road for utah... |
| 22:41.36 | brasto | ~strive ibot |
| 22:42.01 | tensai | ~strive $foo is <action> rips $who's head off |
| 22:42.02 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 22:42.05 | tristanbob | I don't get it, what is IBM doing? contributing 35 developers to openoffice and meanwhile creating new office products? |
| 22:42.06 | tensai | brasto: there, try again |
| 22:42.14 | brasto | lol, k |
| 22:42.19 | brasto | ~strive ibot |
| 22:42.20 | ibot | ACTION rips brasto's head off |
| 22:42.27 | tensai | tristanbob: I thought I read that their new product is based off OOo |
| 22:42.30 | tensai | brasto: :P |
| 22:42.42 | tristanbob | tensai: ahhh - so another staroffice? |
| 22:42.53 | tristanbob | openoffice + non-free extensions |
| 22:43.20 | tensai | that's how I understood it |
| 22:43.33 | tensai | it'll be integrated with Lotus Notes. *shudder* |
| 22:43.59 | tristanbob | tensai: come on it cant be that bad (speaking from someone who has never used it) |
| 22:44.37 | tensai | I haven't either, but based on my experience with MS and Novell's offerings, I have a hard time believing it doesn't suck |
| 22:46.24 | tristanbob | tenshey, but the Zimbra news is great! |
| 22:46.26 | tristanbob | tensai: |
| 22:46.39 | tristanbob | Yahoo buys Zimbra for $350 mil |
| 22:47.09 | tensai | hadn't heard that |
| 22:53.06 | elg | no, no. lotus notes *is* that bad |
| 22:53.16 | elg | coming from someone who has used and administered it |
| 22:53.18 | RyanE | it's *worse* than that bad. |
| 22:54.01 | elg | absotronically |
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