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| 02:09.46 | tensai | ~onjoin Keighvin quack quack quack |
| 02:09.46 | ibot | tensai: ok |
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| 02:27.00 | levi | Good evening. |
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| 02:51.44 | klys | 'evenin' |
| 02:54.31 | Supaplex | ay' |
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| 03:01.21 | klys | all done |
| 03:01.59 | Supaplex | just like a boy scout. good job. |
| 03:14.37 | sontek | vontrapp: ping |
| 03:15.15 | sontek | anyone want to try to identify vontrapp? |
| 03:15.23 | sontek | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sontek/1375907307/ <-- is that vontrapp? :P |
| 03:16.24 | elg | yes, in the orange shirt |
| 03:16.44 | sontek | thats what I thought, thanks =) |
| 03:16.50 | sontek | do you know the guy in the white? :P |
| 03:17.09 | elg | is that a mcnabb, or does someone have a cold? |
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| 03:22.00 | vontrapp | sontek: i tried to get vontrapp on flickr once |
| 03:22.12 | vontrapp | don't remember if i got it |
| 03:24.07 | vontrapp | sontek: yes, that' sme |
| 03:25.05 | vontrapp | that's cool i have a picture named after me |
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| 03:26.17 | vontrapp | sontek: sorry, can't remember his name |
| 03:27.42 | sontek | vontrapp: even if you don't have the name, atleast you'll have the picture ;P |
| 03:27.53 | sontek | its ok, it just gives you all the glory =) |
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| 03:37.41 | jayce | sontek, http://www.flickr.com/photos/sontek/1375965021/ <- the other person is fungus |
| 03:39.19 | vontrapp | so who is sontek? |
| 03:39.30 | sontek | vontrapp: thats meeeee |
| 03:39.37 | sontek | jayce: thanks! |
| 03:39.55 | vontrapp | are you the one naming the pics? |
| 03:40.46 | elg | jayce: is that a cowboys jacket? |
| 03:42.08 | sontek | vontrapp: yeah |
| 03:42.19 | jayce | elg, haha |
| 03:42.20 | sontek | vontrapp: let me know if I mistype anything ;p |
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| 03:50.41 | sontek | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sontek/ utos photos |
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| 04:02.23 | tensai | ~lart sontek for making tensai feel bad about missing utosc |
| 04:02.23 | ibot | chops sontek in half with a free Solaris 7 CD for making tensai feel bad about missing utosc |
| 04:04.54 | sontek | ~hug tensai |
| 04:04.55 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on tensai and suddenly hugs tensai tightly |
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| 04:12.22 | Supaplex | sontek: ahh cool. It's me. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sontek/1376891422/ |
| 04:12.37 | sontek | w00t, I'll label it :D |
| 04:12.50 | sontek | all better :D |
| 04:17.53 | Supaplex | emily should have more of me. I know there's two more in the gurulabs room |
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| 04:18.27 | sontek | Yeah, she has a bunch |
| 04:18.36 | sontek | I forgot my camera Saturday :( |
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| 04:18.58 | sontek | and I live downtown SLC so it would've been a nice ride back to get it |
| 04:20.43 | Supaplex | where's she live? I might be on my way to slc here shortly actually. |
| 04:21.03 | Supaplex | or shall I say, where's the camera? |
| 04:22.30 | sontek | in Provo |
| 04:22.47 | sontek | I meant I forgot it Saturday so I couldn't take more pics |
| 04:22.58 | sontek | shes still transfering the photos for her camera |
| 04:23.10 | sontek | I don't think she knows bash like I do :P |
| 04:23.22 | Supaplex | ahh |
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| 06:15.30 | lonelyguy31 | Hello |
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| 14:10.52 | goozbach | redbeard2: http://lawsofsimplicity.com/2007/09/13/332/ |
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| 15:02.03 | redbeard2 | goozbach: dude, thanks for that link. i actually find that incredibly interesting and useful. |
| 15:05.35 | elg | you're welcome |
| 15:05.38 | elg | -urls |
| 15:05.38 | brac | [2007/09/14 08:10:53] <goozbach> http://lawsofsimplicity.com/2007/09/13/332/ |
| 15:05.39 | brac | [2007/09/13 22:12:25] <Supaplex> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sontek/1376891422/ |
| 15:05.39 | brac | [2007/09/13 21:50:43] <sontek> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sontek/ |
| 15:05.39 | brac | [2007/09/13 21:37:43] <jayce> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sontek/1375965021/ |
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| 15:06.47 | redbeard2 | goozbach: actually, what's truly interesting are a couple of the comments. i think some people kind of missed the point. |
| 15:08.17 | elg | which ones? |
| 15:09.51 | elg | hmm. odd comment on my blog. on topic, but nobody I know, and the website link goes to some power tools website |
| 15:09.56 | redbeard2 | elg: the butler complaining about having to do all these extra things on really special occassions. all of thes things that's he's talking about, except for the napkins, are things that we had to do at the restaurant anyway, regardless of the situation |
| 15:09.59 | elg | on topic but not contributing |
| 15:10.09 | redbeard2 | elg: kill it |
| 15:10.37 | elg | but why would a power tools website spam on my blog? |
| 15:11.05 | redbeard2 | because it's there |
| 15:11.17 | elg | hm, I think you're right. "really nice work!" but the post didn't mention actually accomplishing anything :) ok, it's getting the powertool treatment |
| 15:12.07 | elg | she does give a real email address though |
| 15:16.20 | ^Migs^ | I totally rocked the hospital lobby on the piano yesterday |
| 15:16.34 | ^Migs^ | maybe not "rocked" since they wanted calm, soothing, "healing" music... |
| 15:16.38 | fozzmo2 | ^Migs^: Huh? |
| 15:16.47 | ^Migs^ | I auditioned to be a volunteer pianist |
| 15:16.54 | fozzmo2 | Where? |
| 15:17.04 | ^Migs^ | McKay-Dee Hospital, in Ogden |
| 15:17.28 | ^Migs^ | I was yakking about this yesterday. It was my old piano teacher who was managing the auditions, so I wasn't too worried... |
| 15:18.13 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 15:19.00 | fozzmoo | I actually got around to taking lessons when I was 15 or 16... after I taught myself a lot. |
| 15:19.18 | fozzmoo | Was racing through the books... then my teacher had a stroke. |
| 15:20.29 | fozzmoo | I'm thinking about getting the family a nice MIDI controller/keyboard with weighted keys for xmas. |
| 15:20.45 | fozzmoo | s/weighted keys/hammer action/ |
| 15:21.09 | ^Migs^ | I think that's a great idea |
| 15:21.23 | ^Migs^ | I have a Clavinova at home |
| 15:21.23 | elg | weighted keys are for pianists |
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| 15:21.42 | ^Migs^ | yeah, hammer action is where it's at if you're not really trying to be a pianist |
| 15:22.13 | fozzmoo | I thought hammer action was for the real-piano feel. |
| 15:22.32 | elg | weighted keys, hammer action, same ol' |
| 15:22.43 | elg | totally necessary for a good piano feel |
| 15:22.52 | elg | totally unnecessary for plain ol' keyboarding |
| 15:23.06 | fozzmoo | elg: Oh, I see what you're saying. |
| 15:23.10 | ^Migs^ | honestly, I'd rather be a keyboardist |
| 15:23.36 | fozzmoo | I've got a Korg synth, but I really want a full-size piano-analog for my kids to take lessons on. |
| 15:23.40 | elg | organists deal with dozens of different actions just fine. weighted keys are more piano-like, but not necessary for good playing |
| 15:24.58 | elg | fozzmoo: I recommend this keyboard then. That's the one we have, it's great. http://music.yamaha.com/products/main.html?productId=846 |
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| 15:25.21 | elg | feels, sounds more like a piano than the upright I learned on |
| 15:25.56 | elg | and affordable, as far as these things go. nothing fancy inside as far as sequencing or sounds or anything, but that's what a computer is for. it does have midi in and out |
| 15:26.02 | elg | about $600 iir |
| 15:26.44 | fozzmoo | No pitch/mod. |
| 15:27.43 | elg | otoh, for organ practice and other midi controller stuff I like my m-audio http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=midikeyboardcontrollers |
| 15:28.03 | elg | my model is discontinued (radium 61) but I paid about $100 for it |
| 15:28.13 | elg | it has knobs and dials and sliders and all that fun stuff |
| 15:28.32 | elg | i've never met a steinway that did. ;-) |
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| 15:34.34 | fozzmoo | I've actually been looking at the M-Audio 88 key controllers. |
| 15:35.16 | elg | having taken up serious instruments (organ, piano) with both kinds of action, my opinion is that 88 keys is more important for piano learning than piano action. for real fine nuance dynamic piano playing, that's when you need the piano action. the first few years of lessons is hitting the right keys and fairly discrete dynamics (loud, soft, somewhere in between) |
| 15:35.54 | elg | very fast playing too |
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| 15:38.33 | ^Migs^ | if you actually want kids to take piano lessons, you'll want weighted keys |
| 15:38.54 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 15:39.07 | ^Migs^ | if you want them to take keyboarding lessons, you don't need them |
| 15:39.11 | elg | because if you don't, you'll be persecuted even though it won't affect their learning |
| 15:39.21 | ^Migs^ | right, we'll harass you constantly |
| 15:39.28 | ^Migs^ | haunt you in your nightmares |
| 15:39.31 | elg | not me, but ^Migs^ obviously will |
| 15:39.38 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 15:40.39 | ^Migs^ | you can count it |
| 15:40.44 | ^Migs^ | s/count it/count on it/ |
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| 15:41.59 | fozzmoo | So... can you give me pros/cons of M-Audio's stage piano (ProKey 88) vs their hammer-action midi controller (Keystation Pro 88)? |
| 15:43.41 | fozzmoo | I think I like the ProKeys better. |
| 15:43.53 | elg | a stage piano is more of a piano and less of a midi controller |
| 15:44.06 | elg | more knobs and stuff on the keystation |
| 15:44.39 | elg | the stage piano has its own sound generator and speakers (or maybe you use external speakers) |
| 15:44.56 | elg | the keystation has no sound capability |
| 15:45.40 | elg | the stage piano will be heaver probably |
| 15:45.48 | elg | probably much heavier |
| 15:46.26 | elg | see if you can't hear a demo of the piano sounds at least. i'm no expert on how things are in this area between models, but I know the right one can sound superb (like my p-70) |
| 15:47.09 | fozzmoo | k. thanks. |
| 15:47.20 | elg | s/models/brands/ |
| 15:47.25 | fozzmoo | Any idea if Alesis is making decent digital piano things these days? |
| 15:47.31 | elg | no clue |
| 15:47.36 | elg | dilvie would be the one to check with |
| 15:47.44 | fozzmoo | dilvie? |
| 15:47.52 | elg | though he'll recommend the p-70 too probably - he's the one that set me on it |
| 15:48.01 | elg | in here sometimes, usually late at night |
| 15:48.07 | elg | dilvie.com |
| 15:48.21 | fozzmoo | Oh okay. I'll check that out. |
| 15:48.46 | elg | looks like he's gone hard-core photographer now, but click on the music link |
| 15:48.53 | elg | he's one of the guys behind knobtweakers |
| 15:49.59 | elg | i think they have the yamaha ones at keith yorgensens and that sort of place |
| 15:52.45 | ^Migs^ | I hate responding to "I FORGOT MAH PASSWORD!!!111" emails and telling them to click the "Forgot your password, click here!" link that's on the main page. |
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| 15:53.08 | Keighvin | Yup, that was for me! |
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| 16:01.08 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 16:01.08 | ibot | turns Jayce^ into a lifesized tux doll |
| 16:01.45 | Keighvin | But... but... Jayce^ will enjoy that! |
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| 16:10.59 | levi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nigRT2KmCE |
| 16:16.19 | elg | levi: nice |
| 16:16.46 | Keighvin | Aye - production quality is surprisingly high |
| 16:17.54 | findlay-w | fozzmoo, elg, ^Migs^: speaking of fake pianos I saw one recently that had the most realistic touch I've ever experienced. It was some new Korg model |
| 16:18.12 | ^Migs^ | Korgs are usually awesome |
| 16:18.14 | ^Migs^ | I wish I had one |
| 16:18.26 | findlay-w | most weighted keys have a swivel weight that I don't like at all |
| 16:18.36 | findlay-w | nothing like a true escapement action |
| 16:19.39 | findlay-w | but better than the squishy spring of the cheap kinds :) |
| 16:19.44 | Keighvin | The Alesis QS series uses a weighted hammer action that's especially satisfying - but the mechanism makes a little bit too much noise. |
| 16:20.11 | Keighvin | It's great if you've got headphones, or if you crank the output on the studio monitors, but otherwise it can be distracting. |
| 16:20.14 | Keighvin | Great feel though |
| 16:20.27 | findlay-w | maybe you need some WD-40 :) |
| 16:20.43 | Keighvin | Not squeaky noises. :( |
| 16:21.15 | Keighvin | `cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp` |
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| 16:53.08 | ^Migs^ | http://www.mode5.net/bin/hawking.jpg |
| 16:53.54 | Keighvin | That rocks. |
| 16:54.16 | Keighvin | Now, if you could use Mindstorms and get an embedded Sbaitso instance running there... |
| 16:55.16 | ^Migs^ | that'd be awesome |
| 16:56.24 | Keighvin | "Stephen Blocking" |
| 16:56.49 | Keighvin | (can't take credit for that one) |
| 17:02.46 | ^Migs^ | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=18044622 |
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| 17:46.05 | ^Migs^ | Does the title "webmaster" even mean anything anymore? |
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| 17:52.16 | shadowwire | $800 loc cedar city 1987 honda huricane. |
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| 19:38.07 | Newsome | WOOT! - SCO Files For Chapter 11 Bankruptcy |
| 19:38.16 | ^Migs^ | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:38.27 | ^Migs^ | My stock options!!!!!!! |
| 19:38.39 | ^Migs^ | http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6922186,00.html |
| 19:39.17 | ^Migs^ | where'd you see that, Newsome? |
| 19:39.51 | Newsome | SCO Press Release - http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070914/laf040.html?.v=101 |
| 19:39.54 | brac | [The SCO Group Files Chapter 11 to Protect Assets as It Addresses Potential Financial and Legal Challenges: Financial News - Yahoo! |
| 19:39.54 | brac | Finance] |
| 19:39.55 | Newsome | or on groklaw |
| 19:40.38 | ^Migs^ | ~quote scox |
| 19:41.04 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 19:41.30 | Zelut | just the first line of "a leading provider" makes me laugh |
| 19:43.45 | ^Migs^ | honestly, I'd never even heard of it before this whole debacle |
| 19:43.48 | ^Migs^ | shenanigan, if you will |
| 19:44.28 | thaddeusq | ^Migs^: I'd never heard of SCO until they were purchased by Caldera. |
| 19:44.47 | thaddeusq | I started my Linux life on Caldera Open Linux |
| 19:47.37 | Supaplex | what a way to run a company into the ground. |
| 19:48.23 | Zelut | and lucky us we get to have them in our backyard |
| 19:49.49 | Tene | So does this mean that I can wanter down to SCO central tomorrow and start looting? |
| 19:49.59 | Newsome | be their guest! |
| 19:50.15 | thaddeusq | Chapter 11 != Chapter 7 |
| 19:50.39 | thaddeusq | Chapter 11 is what Delta Air Lines just emerged from |
| 19:53.41 | Tene | So no looting? :( |
| 19:54.34 | Newsome | not this week :( |
| 19:56.57 | Tene | ;_; |
| 19:56.59 | bonez39 | has Darl given up the ghost, as it were? |
| 19:57.08 | bonez39 | or still kicking .. er...twitching momentarily? |
| 19:57.22 | Zelut | who would want to look tainted SCO hardware anyway? |
| 19:57.27 | Newsome | not yet, but could you please "fix" his back for us? :) |
| 20:05.26 | bonez39 | Newsome: ? asking me? |
| 20:05.40 | bonez39 | I'd fix him PERMANENTLY.... |
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| 20:08.06 | Newsome | yes, thank you! |
| 20:10.04 | bonez39 | gladly... |
| 20:10.24 | bonez39 | what's funny..at the start of their tirade...I was treating a close personal friend of Darl...... |
| 20:10.43 | bonez39 | He was of course positive and complimentary about where Darl was heading with this stuff.... |
| 20:11.57 | bonez39 | is it possible to control a network attached scanner, .. on another machine..from a linux box? with sane? anyone know/ |
| 20:12.39 | Tene | bonez39: yes, sane can work over the network. |
| 20:14.26 | bonez39 | so I load sane on this linux box and it can then control scanning .. on scanner attached to some other machine? |
| 20:15.06 | bonez39 | my scanner is attached to my xp BOX....but I sidestep HP's markting campaign to buy expensive ink .. and so it's telling me the ink is almost out, despite the recycled cartridge being FULL.... |
| 20:15.25 | bonez39 | I'd rather just shove documents in the tray and have sane scan them...to use on my linux box |
| 20:18.49 | bonez39 | tene or am I asking too much? |
| 20:19.54 | Tene | bonez39: I believe that that can work, but I've never done it before. |
| 20:20.44 | bonez39 | well, here I go...head first into the deep end of the In(SANE) pool |
| 20:20.51 | Keighvin | ~lart bad hard drive sounds |
| 20:20.51 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of bad hard drive sounds |
| 20:26.24 | Supaplex | ~eat decriptor__'s tail |
| 20:26.25 | ibot | ACTION eats decriptor__'s tail and falls over dead |
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| 20:38.31 | decriptor__ | nice |
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| 20:48.18 | Supaplex | looks like my MUA didn't like the ip change... |
| 20:49.48 | morianumcumer | maybe most of you already know this, but just saw this...SCO file for bankruptcy |
| 20:50.14 | morianumcumer | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070914152904577 |
| 20:50.32 | Keighvin | Hadn't seen that yet, and I love it. |
| 20:50.33 | Supaplex | yup |
| 20:50.36 | Keighvin | ~quote scox |
| 20:50.50 | Supaplex | heh. nice. |
| 20:51.21 | morianumcumer | their largest debtor are thier lawyers |
| 20:51.24 | thaddeusq | oh morianumcumer wasn't in here 1/2 hour ago. |
| 20:51.25 | thaddeusq | :) |
| 20:51.35 | morianumcumer | sorry thaddeusq |
| 20:51.45 | morianumcumer | I should have checked first |
| 20:52.31 | thaddeusq | morianumcumer: so do you think their lawyers advised them to file Chapter 11? |
| 20:53.53 | Keighvin | I was only lurking - and it was an hour ago, not 1/2 hour. |
| 20:54.03 | Keighvin | Looking at the channel logs, this is the best part: |
| 20:54.17 | Keighvin | 13:57 <@ibot> SCOX: 0.6115 (0.66/0.60), 9/14/2007 1:07pm, Opened 0.65, Volume 191,457, Change -0.0385 |
| 20:54.32 | Keighvin | It's lost that much value that fast. |
| 20:55.30 | thaddeusq | If I understand Chapter 11 right, it's usually the creditors who end up owning most of the company after the re-org. |
| 20:56.12 | Supaplex | ~quote scox |
| 20:56.39 | klys | so, Novell owns the Unix trademark... |
| 20:56.52 | klys | they should probably release Unix |
| 20:56.52 | Keighvin | thaddeusq: That's like owning toilet paper after it's been used. |
| 20:57.21 | thaddeusq | ewwww |
| 20:57.41 | Keighvin | It's even worse: *Darl's* used toilet paper. |
| 20:58.08 | klys | wzup |
| 20:59.23 | Supaplex | TMI :-x |
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| 21:00.50 | klys | three mile island |
| 21:01.40 | klys | too much information |
| 21:02.06 | klys | so |
| 21:02.25 | klys | anyone have a copy of SCO lying around |
| 21:02.32 | klys | on cd |
| 21:03.03 | klys | sconix |
| 21:03.12 | klys | ensconixment |
| 21:05.13 | morianumcumer | thaddeusq: sorry, stepped away... not sure, but it was a loooooong time coming. |
| 21:13.32 | shadowwire | Sup? |
| 21:15.36 | klys | yo |
| 21:15.42 | Keighvin | buddy |
| 21:15.44 | Keighvin | homey |
| 21:15.46 | Keighvin | dude |
| 21:16.06 | klys | I've been at institute most of the day, I was making a list of important places in the BofM |
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| 21:17.02 | shadowwire | LIKE WHERE? |
| 21:17.16 | ^Migs^ | sounds important |
| 21:17.17 | Keighvin | Between either cover. |
| 21:20.11 | klys | ok |
| 21:20.14 | klys | I'm back |
| 21:20.21 | klys | lessee where are my notes |
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| 21:21.50 | klys | 3N 12-14, Ether 8, 1N 7-8, 2N 25-28, Moro., and a few more chronologically in 1N. Alma 37 probably |
| 21:22.25 | klys | Moro. 7, 10 |
| 21:22.55 | klys | and there's some in the middle I should probably look at |
| 21:24.11 | klys | a few more people around here are working |
| 21:24.15 | klys | as of today |
| 21:24.29 | shadowwire | Where are you working? |
| 21:24.31 | klys | oh and I got a call from Zumiez |
| 21:25.03 | klys | I've been working: tue thu sat; 11:30 - 2:30 |
| 21:25.26 | klys | and like you can call me there supposing you let me know before passing out the number |
| 21:25.41 | klys | it's a sandwich place |
| 21:26.44 | klys | I'll be there on wed. this week also |
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| 21:30.59 | Keighvin | It's trying a new foreign tongue. |
| 21:35.36 | klys | maybe with IRC there should be some flag you can set with a bot that inquisitive people should consult to find out how well you understand what's going on |
| 21:36.05 | klys | because the away flag is pretty unpopular |
| 21:37.32 | klys | if I ever had an away flag, I'd make it print a timeout, and likely have a default timeout for it |
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| 21:38.09 | beandog | okay |
| 21:38.14 | beandog | so whose a video guru around here |
| 21:38.55 | beandog | Im just wondering, how can you tell if a video is progressive or telecined? |
| 21:39.47 | Keighvin | http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/video2.htm |
| 21:39.48 | brac | [The Big Picture - Interlaced vs. Progressive, Fields vs. |
| 21:39.48 | brac | Frames, 3:2 pulldown and Inverse Telecine (page 1 of 2)] |
| 21:43.23 | Keighvin | From that example, progressive will look like the inverse telecining - i.e., the intermittent frame blend goes away. |
| 21:45.39 | klys | *yawn* |
| 21:46.00 | beandog | ok cool |
| 21:46.04 | beandog | this is finally making some sense |
| 21:46.05 | beandog | sweet. |
| 21:46.17 | klys | so are you doing it with mencoder? |
| 21:46.21 | beandog | yah |
| 21:47.05 | beandog | just from reading the mencoder docs, it looks like im dealing with a lot of mixed progressive and telecine or interlaced |
| 21:47.18 | beandog | klys, hows that |
| 21:47.24 | klys | for editing |
| 21:47.50 | klys | it's a good way to save segments and file them to cd |
| 21:48.20 | beandog | Im not gonna put em on a CD |
| 21:48.27 | beandog | just looking for mpeg4 conversion |
| 21:48.28 | klys | cd not required |
| 21:48.31 | klys | ok |
| 21:49.04 | beandog | but with tv shows on dvd, you get all kinds of weird ... issues. |
| 21:49.31 | Keighvin | beandog: Most of those have been suboptimally transferred in the name of the Quick Buck. |
| 21:49.39 | beandog | yah |
| 21:49.40 | beandog | no kidding. |
| 21:50.13 | Keighvin | In fact, I bet they have one of the executive's 12 year old sons do it with a simple USB MPEG encoder hooked up to a VCR. |
| 21:50.19 | beandog | lol |
| 21:52.41 | beandog | most of em Ive seen are pretty good |
| 21:54.24 | Keighvin | A lot of them really are - and you can tell they've all had their black levels readjusted, a smoothed out exposure, and even some retouching. |
| 21:54.39 | Keighvin | Usually it's a quality affair - but there are some out there that are just horrible. |
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| 21:55.30 | beandog | yah |
| 21:55.32 | beandog | wb elg |
| 21:55.49 | beandog | There are some its pretty obvious they slapped em together. |
| 21:56.02 | beandog | I ran into a Disney one yesterday that was pretty crappy |
| 21:56.35 | elg | beandog: I thought you were the video guru around here. :) |
| 21:56.51 | beandog | elg, eh, I dont understand some of the terminology |
| 21:57.36 | elg | such as? |
| 21:57.50 | beandog | telecined |
| 21:58.00 | beandog | interlaced, progressive |
| 21:58.02 | beandog | framerates |
| 21:58.29 | klys | an NTSC framerate: 30 fps; a file framerate: 24 fps |
| 21:58.36 | klys | s/file/film/ |
| 21:59.14 | beandog | actually most of the problems I run into are from crappily encoded tv shows |
| 21:59.31 | beandog | variable framerate, weird transfers, so encoding throws a/v out of whack and makes the picture look worse no matter what you do |
| 21:59.33 | beandog | very frustrating |
| 21:59.34 | Keighvin | 29.97 != 30 |
| 21:59.37 | klys | interlaced: a mode of multiscan CRT systems that scans alternate lines on modulus-2 vertical retraces |
| 21:59.44 | beandog | then you go read the man page about all the filters and it gets even more confusing.l |
| 22:00.08 | Supaplex | sweetness. 12gb free on my ibook. I found some dormant qemu images ready for deletion. :p |
| 22:02.49 | elg | beandog: i can tell you some things about those. what are you trying to accomplish? tv encoding nirvana? |
| 22:03.06 | beandog | elg, pretty much |
| 22:03.23 | beandog | elg, or, at they very least, figure out what encoding paramaters I need for which problems I run into |
| 22:03.31 | elg | frankly, I don't understand why it should be an issue. If it can be played back in sync then why the flip can't it reencode it in sync? I don't take no excuses on that, I consider it a deficiency of the encoders |
| 22:03.36 | beandog | basically trying to build a set of profiles, then match them up to a specific cause |
| 22:03.40 | elg | though I can see where it is hard |
| 22:04.03 | beandog | elg, I dunno. the hard part is testing so many configurations takes a lot of time. |
| 22:04.08 | elg | yup |
| 22:04.27 | elg | gotta go fire the brick oven. happy to kick the ideas around with you later |
| 22:06.11 | beandog | the brick oven? |
| 22:07.32 | beandog | seeya elg |
| 22:25.51 | Keighvin | ~quote scox |
| 22:26.03 | Keighvin | Oh, duh - it's closed for the day. |
| 22:28.17 | nick125 | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sco-group-noted-linux-litigation/story.aspx?guid=%7B52255479-FE3B-4E04-8E43-13CE43715635%7D |
| 22:28.26 | nick125 | :D |
| 22:28.57 | sjansen | I heard they'd frozen trading of SCOX. |
| 22:29.16 | Supaplex | lousy :( |
| 22:29.44 | Supaplex | go scox! less than $0.00! ;) |
| 22:32.10 | findlay-w | ~quote sjansen |
| 22:32.13 | findlay-w | ~quote scox |
| 22:32.52 | Supaplex | what's novell's ticker? |
| 22:32.54 | nick125 | Ding dong, the SCO is dead, the SCO is dead. |
| 22:33.03 | nick125 | NOVL, I think. |
| 22:33.15 | Supaplex | ~quote novl |
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| 22:34.27 | sjansen | ~cheer Newsome |
| 22:34.27 | ibot | ACTION cheers Newsome on |
| 22:34.36 | Newsome | yay! |
| 22:35.09 | findlay-w | what about the litigation? |
| 22:35.30 | nick125 | findlay-w: It's off, from what I've heard. |
| 22:35.34 | findlay-w | I was all prepared for a dramatic courtroom scene |
| 22:35.36 | findlay-w | :-( |
| 22:35.53 | findlay-w | let's everybody celebrate! |
| 22:36.08 | Supaplex | ~pal sco |
| 22:36.19 | nick125 | I should create a bzflag server where one tank is always the rabbit.. |
| 22:36.27 | nick125 | And make that tank a robot, named "SCO" |
| 22:36.36 | nick125 | then we all go in and blast it away |
| 22:37.09 | Supaplex | ~cmd: pal (.*?) is ($1): <action> points at $1 and laughs(|hysterically| uproariously) |
| 22:37.39 | Supaplex | ~test |
| 22:37.39 | ibot | Test Failed! |
| 22:37.44 | Supaplex | indeed |
| 22:37.54 | shadowwire | ~fail |
| 22:37.54 | ibot | ACTION gives shadowwire the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus! |
| 22:38.22 | shadowwire | ~grade |
| 22:38.28 | findlay-w | ~sco |
| 22:38.29 | ibot | i guess sco is the new name for Caldera, and they're making right fools of themselves, or the antichrist, or supposed to sue linux users today, or a bunch of jerks |
| 22:38.48 | shadowwire | sue linux users? |
| 22:39.02 | findlay-w | ~sue shadowwire |
| 22:39.03 | ibot | ACTION files 50 lawsuits in 50 states against shadowwire, all in violation of Rule 11 |
| 22:39.12 | findlay-w | rule 11! |
| 22:39.24 | findlay-w | ~party |
| 22:39.25 | ibot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
| 22:39.35 | shadowwire | aw crap. |
| 22:40.09 | Supaplex | haha |
| 22:41.10 | Newsome | wow, some rumor |
| 22:41.20 | bonez39 | any one here know how to run sane....? |
| 22:41.39 | Supaplex | well, what if it's true? :-d |
| 22:41.41 | shadowwire | Hey, Did you hear SCO is violating the gpl behind our backs? |
| 22:41.44 | nick125 | In other news, iPod users can't use Linux anymore. |
| 22:41.55 | shadowwire | Not again... |
| 22:42.02 | bonez39 | nick125: what happened with ipod and linux? |
| 22:42.08 | nick125 | They changed the format so only iTunes can edit the database file |
| 22:42.15 | findlay-w | whatever |
| 22:42.25 | findlay-w | DVD Jon will be all over that in 1/2 hour |
| 22:42.28 | nick125 | They now use some kind of hash. |
| 22:42.30 | beandog | those jerks |
| 22:42.40 | Supaplex | hash? more like street crack. |
| 22:42.41 | findlay-w | ~jerk |
| 22:42.42 | ibot | jerk is, like, the derivative of acceleration with respect to time |
| 22:42.48 | findlay-w | exactly |
| 22:42.55 | pashdown | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1805755 i can't be the first to have seen this here |
| 22:42.58 | brac | [ksl.com - SCO Group Files for Bankruptcy] |
| 22:43.00 | shadowwire | Hey, Did you hear SCO is violating the gpl behind our backs? |
| 22:43.02 | bonez39 | ibot: likely like... |
| 22:43.07 | Supaplex | I guess I won't buy an ipod then. |
| 22:43.11 | nick125 | pashdown: Yup, we were just talking about it |
| 22:43.13 | findlay-w | pashdown: you're a little late to the 'party' :-) |
| 22:43.16 | herlo | pashdown: you're not... :) But we love to be reminded... |
| 22:43.22 | nick125 | haha |
| 22:43.27 | pashdown | i have to dig out the letters they sent to me |
| 22:43.34 | findlay-w | nice |
| 22:43.37 | Supaplex | Lol! we want copies! |
| 22:43.51 | pashdown | yeah... they're somewhere around here |
| 22:44.17 | nick125 | pashdown: haha |
| 22:44.37 | *** topic/#utah by findlay-w -> The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Software for Starving Students has just been released - http://digg.com/software/Software_for_Starving_Students_2007_09_release_now_available | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070914152904577 |
| 22:45.28 | Supaplex | send them a copy of todays sco article, and the other article on novell ruling to their collections dept. I'm sure they'll appricate that :) |
| 22:46.38 | nick125 | haha @ the creditor list |
| 22:46.47 | nick125 | There goes their money! |
| 22:47.24 | nick125 | Well, 1.4 million of their money. |
| 22:49.25 | nick125 | pashdown: What was the letter pertaining to? |
| 22:51.20 | shadowwire | fish |
| 22:51.42 | Supaplex | phishy |
| 22:52.20 | Newsome | sad to see bradipo on the list |
| 22:52.39 | shadowwire | and Nedcfo. |
| 22:56.05 | nick125 | "Congrats, Darl - your screme worked like a dream" |
| 22:56.14 | nick125 | *scheme |
| 22:57.06 | shadowwire | ~scheme |
| 22:57.06 | ibot | it has been said that scheme is http://www.schemers.org |
| 22:57.10 | brac | [Welcome to schemers.org!] |
| 22:58.46 | pashdown | nick125 xmission using linux |
| 22:59.02 | pashdown | it was one of their "notification" letters they sent out to * |
| 22:59.38 | Tene | heh |
| 23:13.59 | nick125 | pashdown: Oh so they were trying to extort money out of you guys? |
| 23:13.59 | shadowwire | ~exit |
| 23:14.00 | ibot | exit is, like, what I want |
| 23:14.10 | shadowwire | ~crap |
| 23:14.11 | ibot | from memory, crap is the stream of muck that comes from dog's arses, or the Comprehensive Ruby Archive Portal |
| 23:14.11 | pashdown | aye |
| 23:14.29 | shadowwire | ~trash |
| 23:14.30 | ibot | somebody said trash was "cp $KDEDIR/share/apps/kdesktop/directory.trash ~/Desktop/trash.desktop" |
| 23:14.31 | pashdown | settle with them so we don't get sued for using linux |
| 23:14.35 | nick125 | I hope novell takes them for everything they are worth. |
| 23:14.53 | shadowwire | why? |
| 23:15.20 | Supaplex | $9? |
| 23:15.29 | pashdown | i hope darl and the yarros relocate to the congo |
| 23:15.35 | nick125 | Supaplex: After the cost of their litigation, they will be worth $9 probably. |
| 23:15.45 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 23:15.45 | findlay-w | Novell buys SCO and renames themselves SCO |
| 23:15.57 | findlay-w | Microsoft buys Novell and renames themselves SCO |
| 23:16.09 | findlay-w | ???? |
| 23:16.12 | findlay-w | Profit! |
| 23:16.15 | Supaplex | let's countersue! oh wait.. no $$ here. |
| 23:16.22 | nick125 | Supaplex: Supposely, they have tons of assets |
| 23:16.26 | nick125 | in their mobile server stuff |
| 23:16.42 | Supaplex | humm yeah? |
| 23:17.02 | nick125 | However, they owe novell about 25 million in licensing fees. |
| 23:17.15 | nick125 | not including Novell's legal costs since they lost the case. |
| 23:17.24 | nick125 | And they only have about 24.2 million. |
| 23:18.11 | shadowwire | im in the wrong buisiness |
| 23:18.22 | pashdown | you mean you're honest |
| 23:19.10 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 23:20.06 | findlay-w | heh |
| 23:24.37 | shadowwire | no, im... wait yea im honest. |
| 23:25.57 | Tene | hehe |
